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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, doesn't watch Grow. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis, and I've joined in the room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and Greg Rosenthal. What

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Speaker 1: is up? Boys? Hey? Dan, don't you know what that open?

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Speaker 1: I don't if you don't need to keep poking the

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Speaker 1: bear on that. And by the way, it's not even

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Speaker 1: correct West watches keep the Thrones. Yeah, he's our conduit. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to the finale like I would.

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Speaker 1: I'm seriously thinking about going to all eight seasons and

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Speaker 1: then just not watching the last episode of that would

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Speaker 1: be wild. I mean, anyone's ever done that? You? I

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Speaker 1: watched I think four seasons and then for me right

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Speaker 1: fell off. I fell off like it's and I blame

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Speaker 1: only myself, but also the show. I don't judge. I

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Speaker 1: don't judge anybody for loving the show. What did you say?

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Speaker 1: I blame only myself but also the show. Well, I

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Speaker 1: like it, um, but I think the last show that

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Speaker 1: and this is a cultural phenomenon, a game of Thrones,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Um. The last show that I

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Speaker 1: remember the final episodes not always thinking oh this is

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Speaker 1: or they're not necessarily thinking they're sticking the landing, but

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Speaker 1: enjoying all the final episodes because I'm gonna miss these characters.

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Speaker 1: You just want to hang out with the characters longer,

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Speaker 1: and you know you're not gonna get any more Roger

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Speaker 1: Sterling in your life after these last three weeks or whatever. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't sense a similar thing or the same thing

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Speaker 1: be because the show itself is obviously so different. It's fantasy,

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Speaker 1: it's war, it's bloody and violent, and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are getting killed. So there seems to

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Speaker 1: be and we're gonna get into it on today's show

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Speaker 1: a segment where we talk about what in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we're kind of as to use a Gregg term, wildly

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Speaker 1: Greg are so upset, it seems about the direction of

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily blame them, but I think the after

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Speaker 1: seventies six hours of investment. That that everyone's given Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones. You know, you're, you're. The emotional connection is

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Speaker 1: just making people crazy. They're rooting for their rooting for

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Speaker 1: certain things. It's just everyone's so invested. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: like the super Bowl or something. It's like your team

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Speaker 1: can't speak for everyone, but I went into the final

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Speaker 1: season with the thought they had put so much time

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Speaker 1: This might go down as the greatest television show, a

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Speaker 1: But that's a good problem to have. Ultimately, well, there's

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Speaker 1: also another thing going on. So you know, Shakespeare's Globe

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Speaker 1: going back into like again? So like you have football players,

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Speaker 1: both rely on tension and release, mounting tension then resolution.

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Speaker 1: In Game of Throws Thrones, the last episode Sunday Night,

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Speaker 1: the resolution was unsatisfactory, much like the no call in

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Speaker 1: I think one huge winner is George RR. Martin because

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Speaker 1: if they're one and I don't watch it, but I

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Speaker 1: but it's impossible to even log onto Twitter for more

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Speaker 1: But the critique seems to be that since the books

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Speaker 1: Well it's not my criticism. Well, it's also like seven No,

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Speaker 1: it would be like writing a four thousand page book,

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Speaker 1: Like it's just too you can't keep it at that level.

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Speaker 1: How many shows do stick? You can't stick the limiting,

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Speaker 1: can you name that had a satisfactory the series finale?

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Speaker 1: I love the Sopranos. At at the time, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: jumping on the Alright, it's a fun wordt don't come

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Speaker 1: to know anything about Game of Thrones. Settled down right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for getting that out there. Mark, you heard

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Speaker 1: Mark Seessler. Don't come at him at Mark Seiler. NFL

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Speaker 1: any of us, Yes, we got a lot to get

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Speaker 1: Mark's doing that. He's got the vapor. Not just me

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Speaker 1: think everyone's right. Everyone was nailing. They all that different

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Speaker 1: Did that just have a cup of coffee in Denver? Yes? Uh.

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Speaker 1: someone with a quarterback who knows just about everything there

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Speaker 1: is to know about the NFL, but needs a little

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Speaker 1: something else behind him to really teach him the game.

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Speaker 1: And Eli Manning of Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson, who do

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Speaker 1: they bring in? They bring in Gino. They bring in

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Speaker 1: Gino to help that veteran really be the best that

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Speaker 1: he can be. Here's another way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: If you have a quarterback who never misses his snap

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Speaker 1: like Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson, feel free

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Speaker 1: to bring in Geno Smith is your number two because

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Speaker 1: he's never gonna play. We'll always defend that start Gino

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Speaker 1: had as a Giant against the Raiders, and that will

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Speaker 1: always Watch the tape. Watch the tape. Watch the tape

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Speaker 1: when he runs down the sideline cheering against Ryan Fitz.

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Speaker 1: He was the best on the same team. It was

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Speaker 1: like the best game by a Giants quarterback gives his

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Speaker 1: own teammate playing quarterback because he wanted to play. What

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Speaker 1: a rotten teammate. I actually did give some a little

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Speaker 1: bit of thought before the show when this, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was putting together the rundown. Why does he keep

446
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Speaker 1: getting jobs? He must be pretty good at picking up

447
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Speaker 1: a playbook and he doesn't cost a lot he throws

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Speaker 1: a pretty ball, throws a decent spiral. When he throws

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Speaker 1: it to his own team, he throws a pretty ball. UM.

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Speaker 1: Finally in the news some sad news, former Chiefs coach

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Speaker 1: Gutrick Cunningham has died at the age of seventy two. UM.

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Speaker 1: The Lions, whom Cunningham last worked as a decordinator two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine through two thousand thirteen and he worked with

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Speaker 1: them as an assistant through two thousand seventeen, announced the news.

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Speaker 1: Born in Munich, Germany, Cunningham moved to the US at

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Speaker 1: the age of ten and became a naturalized citizen UH

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Speaker 1: two thousand ten. He attended the University of Oregon, where

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Speaker 1: he played linebacker, but he was known as you know,

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Speaker 1: a real lifer. As a coach in the NFL. UH

460
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Speaker 1: started with the Baltimore Colts as an assistant, spent time

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Speaker 1: with the Chargers and Raiders before moving to Casey as

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Speaker 1: their d C from ninety eight. Some really good Chiefs

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Speaker 1: teams in that mix. In ninety nine, he succeeded Marty

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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer's the Chiefs had coach for two years when sixteen

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. For more than thirty years, UH Cunningham was

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Speaker 1: a figure in the NFL and Bucky Brooks. We joke

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Speaker 1: about it a lot on this program about Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: having or not having a podcast here at NFL Media. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this one. Uh. First of all,

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Speaker 1: DJ wasn't on this episode. It was Rhett filling in

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Speaker 1: with Bucky. But that I think that's a great combo, right,

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Speaker 1: I think it's something to explore. But Bucky played under

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Speaker 1: Gunther Cunningham UM for a phase of his career, and

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Speaker 1: he had some words about Gunther. So let's listen in

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Speaker 1: to Um the most recent episode of Move the Stings. Look,

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Speaker 1: the NFL lost a great one because he's one of

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Speaker 1: the best defensive minds, one of the more colorful personalities.

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Speaker 1: He is a guy that UM, I think everybody has

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Speaker 1: a story when it comes to Gunther, because he felt

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Speaker 1: like he was the toughest guy in the room and

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Speaker 1: anyone who was around him, anyone who was on his team,

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Speaker 1: had to take on that personality because look, teams are

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Speaker 1: really there, they take on the persona of their coach,

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Speaker 1: and so having played for him, you walk out with

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Speaker 1: a level of confidence and a level of kind of

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Speaker 1: that bully nous that uh goes on. So look, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna miss him. I'm missing dearly. He did so much

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Speaker 1: for canc CD and the rest of the league the

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Speaker 1: way he impacted it. Um, it's sad to see a

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Speaker 1: great one pathway. I just remember those late nineties teams.

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Speaker 1: His defense, you know, Marty Shotton ever got away with

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Speaker 1: running the batt of the time because Gunther Cunningham's defense

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Speaker 1: was number one in the league and points allowed two

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Speaker 1: out of three years when they went thirteen and three.

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Speaker 1: I always feeling Chiefs fans have had some great teams

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Speaker 1: over the years that that didn't get quite over the hump,

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Speaker 1: but his defenses were awesome. He is one of the

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Speaker 1: rare guys that was defensive coordinator for the Chiefs, became

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Speaker 1: head coach, went to another team, then return How many

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Speaker 1: head coaches return to their previous team as a coordinator.

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Speaker 1: I cannot think of any other than him in these

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years. Secondly, if we love hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: for what it teaches us about the coordinators and the

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Speaker 1: coaches and the personalities running the two thousand and seven Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: hard Knocks, there is no bigger star on that entire

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Speaker 1: show than Gunther Cunningham, who I had no idea who

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Speaker 1: the guy was before it, and he is a raging

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Speaker 1: badass through the entire He's unbelievably enjoyable to watch. He's

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Speaker 1: the same dude on Thanksgiving when justin Force set way

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Speaker 1: back when against the Texans, he was with he was

511
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Speaker 1: with the lines at that point ran for that eight

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Speaker 1: one yard touchdown that couldn't be uh, it couldn't be

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Speaker 1: reviewed because Schwartz through the red flag during it and

514
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Speaker 1: it was a scoring place, so they're said, sorry, it

515
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Speaker 1: was clearly he was tackled to the ground, and they

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Speaker 1: just show cunning him taking the playbook and throwing it

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Speaker 1: in the air like an old man and picking it

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Speaker 1: with his foot. Then a couple of a couple, it

519
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Speaker 1: was either a year or two after Monday Night Football

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Speaker 1: shows him up in this up in the coordinator's booth,

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Speaker 1: chewing out fans that are like like ten feet away

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Speaker 1: who were giving him he was he was to me

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Speaker 1: one of the I can see why Bucky feels a

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Speaker 1: way would be hard forget him. Got Cunningham dead at

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Speaker 1: the age of seventy two, That's what's happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: I just forget. Don't kid yourself. There's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as a good excuse for not buckling up. If you've

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Speaker 1: used any of these excuses or others, you're putting yourself

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Speaker 1: course every time me buckle up. It's not cool not to.

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Speaker 1: It used to be not anymore. And I used to

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Speaker 1: not buckle up in the back seat. And then one

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Speaker 1: day I smartened up. I said, you know what, the

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Speaker 1: buckles buckling back here too. I grew up in a

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Speaker 1: live and let live house where you didn't have to

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Speaker 1: buckle your seat, But since I've been an adult, always

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Speaker 1: buckle my seat. Absolutelyn't remember, but west Uh, I was

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Speaker 1: called you bob. Bob's not on the show. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Cops are on the lookout and writing tickets, so why

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Speaker 1: take the risk. So do the smart thing and buckle

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Speaker 1: up every trip, day or night, front seat or back seat.

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Speaker 1: I should add in my mom's defense, that were like

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Speaker 1: to the beach in the summer. They'd be packed into

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Speaker 1: smoking a big cigar. There's no air conditioning. It character

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Speaker 1: well less helicoptery parental scenarios back then. Yes, um, all right,

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Speaker 1: there we go. Let's talk about it. What are we

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Speaker 1: overly invested in as we look ahead to two thousand

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Speaker 1: nineteen at a level where, yeah, this is what we

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Speaker 1: do for a living, we should be invested in a

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Speaker 1: lot of the subplots that surround the season as we

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Speaker 1: look ahead. But for whatever reason, these subplots have really

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Speaker 1: kind of wormed their way into our old brains. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna mention like a part of a brain,

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Speaker 1: to just dress it up a little bit. But then

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if it would be mentioning the right

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Speaker 1: part of the brain, the north cortex, cortex would have

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Speaker 1: been good. I was thinking of that. What was the

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Speaker 1: m Gambada thing? What was that part? I almost did that,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't want to stump all over the word.

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Speaker 1: I might have stumbled upon it myself. Well, m Greg,

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Speaker 1: why don't you get us going? Maybe sometimes I don't

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Speaker 1: have to, you know, externalize these internal thoughts. Well, so

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Speaker 1: I think that's your job as the host. And this

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Speaker 1: is a you know, somewhat confusing segment, and so I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's good to set it up. It's really

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Speaker 1: it really is inspired by Game of Thrones. We sort

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Speaker 1: of did the intro already right off the top, but

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Speaker 1: just that people they're in too deep. They've they've committed

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Speaker 1: so long with Game of Thrones that they're just losing

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Speaker 1: perspective on things. That's a little bit how I feel

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Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Chargers at this point. I've been

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Speaker 1: predicting that this team is gonna be one of the

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Speaker 1: best teams in the a f C, that it's going

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Speaker 1: of the best rosters in the league from for so

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Speaker 1: long that there's no there's no backing off at this point, Like,

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Speaker 1: there's no I can't go off of that when they

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Speaker 1: went twelve and four a year ago. But part of

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Speaker 1: me does, you know, the part of me that's not

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Speaker 1: as invested, kind of looks at it from the outside

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Speaker 1: and and looks at that offensive line and it's garbage

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Speaker 1: for the most part. Uh. And there it was at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season. And it's basically the same

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Speaker 1: group coming back. And it's an it's an older quarterback

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Speaker 1: and as loaded as that defense looks, and uh, and

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Speaker 1: it's really good overall. I I do worry about a

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Speaker 1: team that doesn't really have much of a home field advantage.

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Speaker 1: And did they Was that their best chance last year

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Speaker 1: twelve and four? I don't really know. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: because I'm in so I'm in so dear into deep.

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Speaker 1: I'm in too deep. I can't see it. You're blinded.

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Speaker 1: What about the idea of building into those things? And

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Speaker 1: maybe be worried about the way the offense played down

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Speaker 1: the stretch. Yes, you know, after that amazing they peaked

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Speaker 1: as a team one of the great moments in Chargers history,

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00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: at least regular season. But maybe you can go the

642
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: whole you know, Kit and Caboodle is when they went

643
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: to Arrowhead and the buzzer beater win on Thursday Night football,

644
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: And from that point on, I don't remember that offense

645
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: being close to the same. What is it? Right? I

646
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: do worry about that there little thin Uh. You know,

647
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: they have two great receivers. I believe in Keenan allen

648
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Um and Mike Williams is coming up, but after that

649
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: it's Travis Benjamin and then there's a pretty big fall off.

650
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: It's just a team that you're nervous. I'm not nervous.

651
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous. It just looks so good on paper

652
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: that actually think now I've been rooting for the Charges

653
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: to do well for so long. I'm getting some Charger

654
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: fans thoughts in my head, which is like, it almost

655
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: looks too good. Something's gonna get funky. It felt like

656
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the year the problems were twofold,

657
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: that their running backs were injured and they have one

658
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: of the best, most productive back fields all year, and

659
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: then the right side of the offensive line just fell

660
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: apart and got exploited almost after. The offensive line was

661
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: so bad the last four or five six weeks, and

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00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: that was what I think separated this team. And the

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00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: defense is really good. I hope Gus Bradley can take

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Speaker 1: advantage of all the talent that he has. It looks

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00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: great on paper. This is an organization where it hasn't

666
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: always translated from paper, uh to reality. Kind of like

667
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: the last season of Game of Throw and talk about

668
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: that I brought it back. I ound and Rodgers was

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00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: the latest celebrity to make a camo on the show.

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: I think he gets you know West, did you see?

671
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it wasn't that going to be in the news.

672
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Speaker 1: I forgot. I mean I wasn't looking for him because

673
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: it was about Game of Thrones, not some quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the Packers. But no, I didn't see him. Well quarterback

675
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: for the Packers. This is an all time great Why yeah,

676
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: but he plays football. A football player has no place

677
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones. Like, that's a whole different world.

678
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: That's mid Earth. Are just guys that hang out in

679
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: l A and work on their screen plays. Willing suspension

680
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: of disbelief matters more for me than most people. It's

681
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: hard to pick him out. There's a scene according to

682
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: some again don't watch it, but he obviously should have

683
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: been doing But he comes, he comes, burning hound. You

684
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: spent four or five scenes. He comes, burning down like

685
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: a left turn as the dragon is like touch Rodgers

686
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: and burning everyone up. According on Twitter, that's I don't

687
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: think anybody watching this would have seen that as Aaron Rodgers.

688
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: And even if they were looking for you'd have to

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Speaker 1: go back. So Why am I the one defend Aaron Rodgers? Finally,

690
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: why are we so negative about him appearing on it

691
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: on a television He's a huge just missed it? Yeah,

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00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: all right, it's like a little he's a quarter if

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Speaker 1: he's scene that they showed he did a nice job.

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Speaker 1: Money and watch it. You know what's happening right now? There?

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00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: He gets torched, It gets hot in here. It is.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny you say that because I'm watching Aaron

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: Rodgers get incinerated on Game of Thrones. And yes, it

698
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: happens so quickly that it's very easy to miss. And

699
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Speaker 1: west obviously that's something you can miss as we completely

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Speaker 1: bring the show to I mean, how would I know

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00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: that's are on site watching it? In no way, it's

702
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: only because it's been by you got killed. That's the point.

703
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to know. I'm I'm not supposed to

704
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: know that it's him, and I'm I'm not saying there's

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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: anything wrong with I'm just saying nobody should be expected

706
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: to notice that's Aaron Rodgers during this. I also think

707
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: maybe they shouldn't have had him in shoulder pads in

708
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: a number twelve jersey. It just took me out Like

709
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: the coffee cup thing didn't help, took me out of

710
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: the moment, all right. Anyway, what am I wildly overly

711
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: invested in? Well, I'm gonna keep it real. It's got

712
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: to be involving my favorite team, but it's a it's

713
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: a bigger picture as well. I am two invested in

714
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Speaker 1: the year two of the two thousand eighteen quarterback draft class, UM,

715
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: just to see how this all shakes out. It starts,

716
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: of course, with my boy Sam Donald, who I'm really excited.

717
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of in a good spot where, um, nobody,

718
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: despite the additions, people still don't really think the Jets

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00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: gonna be any good, So he doesn't have a lot

720
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Speaker 1: of this. I don't think there's a lot of expectations

721
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: really built up around Donald, which is probably not the

722
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: worst thing. But when I look at the roster and

723
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Greg you hit the Jets in the roster reseat, they're

724
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: better in almost every phase of UM. Their team from

725
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: last year now. Last year's team is a bad four

726
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: and twelve outfits. So that doesn't mean now they're gonna

727
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: go twelve and four. But I'm really excited, especially but

728
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: beyond Levy on Bell and jameson James and crowder Um,

729
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the Adam Gaze angle, which as a Jets fan, you

730
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: just have no it's been so long since they've tried

731
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: to build an offense with Um, a coach that has

732
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: an offensive mind. I'm excited to see how Gays and

733
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Speaker 1: Donald worked together. Mayfield and the Browns. We've talked about

734
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: that a lot, but you want to see is he

735
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a superstar? Is he gonna be an m

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Speaker 1: v P level guy? Unlike Donald? Obviously, the Browns have

737
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: a ton of expectations, so I'm interested to see how

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Speaker 1: um he fares facing that type of UM scrutiny. And

739
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: then the other guy is Josh Rosen. I'm focusing on

740
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the first round obviously, Josh Rosen. What happens in Miami.

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: Does he have a chance to sell well, he will

742
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: get a chance to salvage his career. What does he

743
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: do with it? So I'm kind of really interested in

744
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: how that shakes out. Josh Allen? Is he any good?

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I think there's some people that think Josh Allen is

746
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: really good, and then there's some people that didn't see

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00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: enough to get excited about him. I Uh, he seems

748
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: very scattershot to me and an amazing athlete. And finally,

749
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I feel like Donald has helped out a

750
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: little bit in terms of what you mentioned with lower

751
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: expectations by the fact that by the end of last year,

752
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield and you could argue Lamar Jackson

753
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: became bigger stories than Arnold tucked away on a lost

754
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Jets team. But I would not say on any level

755
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: that we're far away from it out here. On some level,

756
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: but there is no way that Sam Donald does not

757
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: have high expectations around him, and he should. He should

758
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: have high expectations. There are high expectations, but a lot

759
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: of pressure, the scrutiny of the team being I'm not

760
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: talking about him, I'm talking about the team. People aren't

761
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: expecting the Jets to go eleven and five and knock

762
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: off the Patriots. It's a different people aren't buying into now.

763
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: I get that, But I do think there is a

764
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: lot of expectation for a first year head coach and

765
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: second year quarterbacks just because the talent around him is

766
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: so good that Levi on Bell, you think Chris Herndon's

767
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna make a big leap, You got a nice receiver

768
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: crew and Anderson uh in the noon noir and who

769
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: am I forgetting there? Jamison Crowder. I mean that's like

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00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: a good He should be expected to have a good

771
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: season this year. Coaches should be better too. I'm the

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Speaker 1: I would say this is um the most excited I've

773
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: been about a Jet season in a long long time.

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00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: You might have to go back to two thousand eleven

775
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: after their second a f C title game, where I

776
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: just not necessarily because I think they're ready to make

777
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: them make the move to be a contender, but just

778
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: to see how the team plays and see how Donald develops.

779
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: I've never had a quarterback in my life. Well, and

780
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: you're not forcing that, You're not forced to quietly back

781
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: a total sham quarterback, which has been the exercise when

782
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: you root for these quarterback free, crappy teams for a

783
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: decade plus. As you know, well, Mark all right, um,

784
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, I'm gonna invite Mark to go ahead of

785
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: me if he wants to, because mine is more of

786
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: a macro view of the sport itself. Bullet involves Shakespeare mythology. No,

787
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: mine is very microt I will I will go first

788
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: here with with my thing because it is based on

789
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: a smaller topic than the entire sport. Uh. For me,

790
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I feel like when I get way too deep, I

791
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: cannot change my opinion on something, even if it is changing.

792
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: And for me, I am in way too deep when

793
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: I look at the Detroit Lions and I see nothing

794
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: but their immense, profound, untouchable dullness. I wanted to try

795
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: to explain this to me. I think I had perceived

796
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: them as boring for years on end correctly, and I

797
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: need the team to pull off something dramatic to alter

798
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: my worldview. When I'm flipping through games, whether they're live,

799
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: run game pass, I want to feel something other than

800
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: when I land on the Detroit Lions and think to

801
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: myself next, the Lions arguably have one of the top

802
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: run stuffing lines in the NFC right now, led by

803
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Damon Harrison. They have a competent quarterback in Matthew Stafford.

804
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: I like Carrie on Johnson Kenny Golladay. I kind of

805
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: can get behind the Matt Patricia thing. But still I

806
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: cannot see my way out of this conundrum. Here are

807
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: a few ideas to change my opinion. How about win

808
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: a playoff game for the first time since a longer

809
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: streak than the Browns. How about stop being the least

810
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: interesting team in your division for one in my lifetime.

811
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: How about consider the concept of not feeling aesthetically like

812
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: the same exact dull trinket year after year after year,

813
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: and before any ham and Egger Lion fans come after me,

814
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: you should be ten times more steamed than I am.

815
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: How many sundays have you wasted? Would you prefer to

816
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: sip the most expensive champagne as the NFL crown is

817
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: laid upon your brow or deal with another raging bowl

818
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: of vanilla ice cream comes September. It's gonna take a

819
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: lot to change my feelings. I'm way too deep in

820
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: on this one. It's like Saigon sixty eight. Who knows

821
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: when any of us will get out of the ship.

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00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I agree with every word you said, and I totally

823
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: get what you're saying that this could be the year

824
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: the Lions are exciting, but you're too close to it.

825
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: You're too too close, too invested in this marriage and

826
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: not rooting for myself to feel that way. Year from now,

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Speaker 1: I would love to feel different. The rest of the

828
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: league is because it's coming to the point where there

829
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: aren't that many super boring teams left. A lot of

830
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: them have gone out of the way to fix some

831
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: of the issues. It should be the the solve really

832
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: for the UH for their you know, boring nature. Because

833
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: when he came in and at least was thankful that

834
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: I thought he would say Thanksgiving the early game, I

835
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: was like, all right, finally we're we're done with these

836
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Lions quarterbacks that are allowsy. We get Stafford in the

837
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: nine thirty whole for the next decade. But I don't

838
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: know you're you're right. I mean, that's an underrated Mark

839
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: Sessler storyline his feelings about the Lions. But I'm glad

840
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: we explored it. Okay, Wes, I just don't know how

841
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I believe it. But I have something that I'm passionate about.

842
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like I just can't stop thinking

843
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: about the Miami Dolphins in their team building process. Like

844
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't spend time thinking about that and getting all

845
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: hot and bothered over it. But the Lions that annoying.

846
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: I will say when I think about something that I

847
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: felt passionately about this take since the minute this podcast started.

848
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not alone West because of the way we're

849
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: indoctrinated in this country. We our minds tend to set

850
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: and entrench as liberal or conservative, right or left, business

851
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: or labor. That's the bias we bring into sports, and

852
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: the people who follow football closes tend to break down

853
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: into two separate camps, pro owners or pro players, and

854
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: we lose perspective. We get into deep when we view

855
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: the league's issues through one of those lenses, instead of

856
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: taking a broader view about what's good for the sport

857
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: itself short term or long term, as well as the

858
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: most rewarding entertainment experience for the fan, more fans, more

859
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: writers should be thinking about what's good for writers and fans,

860
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: not what's good for players or owners. M hmm, what

861
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: are some I think that's a thought provoking uh idea there?

862
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: What are some what? What are some examples? Like what

863
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: made you think about this? Uh one thing a topic

864
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: that came up a week or two ago, the franchise tag.

865
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: When you were talking like that might be an issue

866
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: that the players, the NFL P we'll get rid of.

867
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: There's no chance of that happening, because the sport itself

868
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: needs the franchise tag. It will be an awful awful

869
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: sport if quarterbacks can just go wherever they want, like

870
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: the NBA where you have these power teams and dream

871
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: teams and only two teams or three teams are relevant

872
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: every year. You can't do that in football. That's one thing.

873
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: But I also think replay is another one. M Yeah,

874
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: replay I could. I could totally see the franchise tag

875
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: and player movement is is a double edged sword. With

876
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: the NFL and the way talents dispersed in the salary cap.

877
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, good quarterbacks are almost getting there, like Kirk

878
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: Cousins kind of put a no trade, no tag, you know,

879
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: clause on his contract, and theory Wilson could do that.

880
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't mind getting rid of it. I don't mind

881
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: a little more player movement. I think actually the NFL

882
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: that might make it interesting that if better players got

883
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: to free agency. But I think you're you're right about

884
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: the replays that and this is across a lot of sports,

885
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: so that I think you're losing the forest for the

886
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: tree that someone that hasn't watched a lot of NBA

887
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: in recent years, but tuning in for these game sevens,

888
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean to see like a two minute delay to

889
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: see if Joel, I'm Joel Embiid was acting or not

890
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: when his eye got hurt with six minutes left in

891
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: the game, It's like, come on, you're also let's let's

892
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: wake up here. You're also allowed to look at the

893
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell situation and say, hey, the Steelers offered

894
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: him a fair deal. Um, he hates the franchise tag,

895
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: but the franchise tag actually would have been good for

896
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: him had he accepted it. And as a fan of

897
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the game, I would have had a much better experience

898
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: if he was playing for the Steelers instead of sitting

899
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: out all year. Let me ask you one quite like

900
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: when when it comes to replay, because I like your

901
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: argument that everyone it's great in in in March and

902
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: April when we reconstruct replay and it becomes more expansive

903
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's going to address the stuff that hurt everyone's

904
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: feelings a couple of months ago, rightly so, But then

905
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: the game suddenly when it's if if they are going

906
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: to become longer, We don't really know, because I think

907
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: there's arguments to suggest that won't happen, Like I don't

908
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: know if any of this would be happening at all.

909
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: If it weren't for Twitter and stuff like that, because

910
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: in if this were like the expansion hubbub over Minnesota

911
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: and New Orleans would have died down about ten days

912
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: later and been largely something people wouldn't even be communicating

913
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: about publicly. It stayed such a fervor and the owners

914
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: have to react, and the owners and everyone else had

915
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: to vote that in like when you say pro owner

916
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: or pro player, I mean some of these issues are

917
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: right in the middle with with replay, Like do you

918
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: want them to not be responsive to that kind of thing?

919
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: The owners, I thought they did at least they tried

920
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: to make the game. I don't know. For me, it's

921
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: confusing because their owners, to me, they tried to address

922
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: what was a truly big guiling issue for the league

923
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: going forward. I don't think you haven't a lot of

924
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: owners or right now, like looking at the health of

925
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: the league is the most important thing, which is it

926
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: doesn't help that in almost every American sport the commissioners

927
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: essentially powerless and he's just a lackey for the owners

928
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: getting hot in here again. I mean that's the way.

929
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: That's the way it's evolved over the years. That like

930
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: if you're an owner of the sport. The commissioner is

931
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: under your employee. That's just the way it is. Um, good, say, guys,

932
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: we have one more show before the Chris Westling Lakeisha

933
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: Jackson Jackson nuptials. By the way, your brother, Nick, Oh yeah,

934
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean I got him triggered. He is. He is

935
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: all up in his feelings. He's what happened now. He's

936
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: sending me private text now saying how you know how

937
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: badly wants to beat me. And he was gonna play

938
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: left hand, but now he's gonna play right. Heber, he

939
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: got my number to teach me a lesson. And it's

940
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: just like, bro, I love it up here living rent

941
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: free in your head, Nick, and it's nice up here

942
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: and roomy. And let me tell you something. You're not

943
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: gonna like what happens this weekend. It's noisy though up

944
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: in his head. It's a lot of chatter, a lot

945
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: of chatter. But um, just realize the pressures on you, buddy,

946
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: the pressures on you, let's say, And he's listening right now,

947
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: right Nick, You remember I'm the one with the microphone.

948
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: And if you don't beat me this weekend, next week

949
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: will be one of the lowest points of your life.

950
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Well you and Nick is is um and if we

951
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: hear no updates about the game at all, you know

952
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: that Nick fared. Well here's here's the problem though, Nick,

953
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: it's not a one on Well maybe you will do

954
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: a one on one thing, but the problem is like

955
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: if you and Nick are a close battle, that leaves

956
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, me and west too to decide that the wind.

957
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: My feeling is clear, I care less now about the

958
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: two on two? Is there a one on one? And

959
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: and just um, Nick and I I guess a little

960
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: concerned about the top heavy nature of the Wesley and

961
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: Westling team. Well here's the We're we're big time underdogs.

962
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: I I don't mind it. It'll just uh, it'll just

963
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, make everyone more surprised when we shot the world.

964
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: But that's just the reality is we're big. It also

965
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: feels great, as all mentioned, two shows in a row

966
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: just to be completely knocked out of the lineup at

967
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: whim by you hobby horses. Enjoy yourself. Here's the tail

968
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: of the tape. Um. Nick clearly a better cornhole player

969
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: than Dane. But here's what I say, Nick not even

970
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: in the same league as Dan when it comes to

971
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: psychological warfare. And this could backfire on Nick if he's

972
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: talking about throwing left handed, because Dan might then force

973
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: him to throw left handed. Nick Willet obliterated. We'll see,

974
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: We'll see. I wouldn't. I wouldn't, you said clearly better.

975
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: We'll see because he's got to perform. It's easy to

976
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: do it when you're alone in Cincinnati in the backyard.

977
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: But when the lights are on and when people are

978
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: watching it, and when it counts, we'll see what Nick

979
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: Westling's got. We'll see if he's got anything in the heart.

980
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: I'll leave it on that note. Let's go. Stan has

981
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: a signing off four quiet Storm, the mail man, your boss,

982
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. I want you, Nick Westley,

983
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: I want you till Thursday m