WEBVTT - Sentencing 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:09.039 What happened that night changed everything because of him. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.640 This was Brian Kolberger's legal funeral. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.400 No one is scared of you today. No one is 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.720 intimidated by you, no one is impressed by you. No 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.560 one thinks that you are important. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.960 And anytime you want to talk and tell me what happened, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. Okay. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.080 This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KAT Studios 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:48.479 and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode two, sentencing I'm Courtney Armstrong, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.599 a producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Leideger and Gabriel Castillo. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.160 On July twenty third, twenty twenty five, for the first 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.400 time in nearly three years, the family's and friends of Madison, Mogen, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.720 Kaylee Gonsalvez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were finally given 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.240 the opportunity to confront the man who had been accused 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.080 and who now admitted to murdering their loved ones in 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.240 cold blood. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:24.319 He chose destruction, he chose evil. He feels nothing. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.800 It was an emotional day in court. The gallery was 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:32.840 packed and the atmosphere was tense. One by one, family 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:38.640 members stood and spoke directly to Brian Coberger. Some shared beautiful, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.280 heartbreaking memories, others unleashed years of grief and anger, and 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.600 through it all, the room was filled with tears, silence, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.320 and sometimes stunning moments of strength. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.840 You tried to divide us. You failed. Instead, your actions 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:00.000 have united everyone in their disgust for you. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:06.880 Coburger sat just feed away, his face, expressionless, his posture still. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.120 I won't stand here and give you what you want. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.160 I won't offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.600 disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.520 the illusion of power, and I won't feed your beast. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.800 And throughout the entire proceeding there was one question on 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:31.720 everyone's mind. Would he speak, would he explain why he 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:38.600 did it? Would he apologize? It was a final, resounding judgment, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.040 but still there was one thing everyone was waiting for. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.040 Here's long crime journalist Anjeanette Levy speaking with one of 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:52.680 our producers, Alison Bankston, talk. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.040 To me about sentencing next. I know you were there 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.800 as well. That was a very emotional day, that was 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.520 very powerful to watch. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.280 Is incredibly heavy. When we walked in, Brian Coburger was 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.720 wearing an orange jail jumpsuit. We fully expected that his 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:13.280 presumption of innocence no longer exists. And he's sitting there 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.399 in all orange and in handcuffs. He looked a little 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.000 more pale, a little more gaunt. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:19.880 Did he seemed nervous up there at all, you know, 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.440 fitman with his hands like what was his vibe like? 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.560 Brian Coburger looked like he was kind of stealing himself 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.160 for what was coming. And he was clenching his jaw 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.280 at times, and at times he would kind of poke 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.520 his tongue to the side. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:34.079 Of his cheek. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.640 You could tell he was in some respects bracing himself 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.560 for what was coming. He knew the victim impact statements 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.000 were coming. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.840 Here's Judge Stephen Hipler in the courtroom at sentencing. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.440 All right, so with that, let's start with an impact statements. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.400 Go ahead to jinks, your honor. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.840 We will have Bethany Funko's statement, and she has asked 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.400 that her friend Emilia Lot read that up statement very well. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.360 Bethany funk was one of the surviving roommates. Her room 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.600 was on the bottom floor and she did not come 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.640 into contact with Brian Coberger. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.240 My name is Bethany Funk, and I was roommates with Mattie, Kaylee, Xanna, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.240 and Ethan. I not only lost some of my best friends, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.720 but I also lost a sister. Our house was not 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.839 just a house, It was a home. It was where 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.839 we left till we couldn't breathe make meals, did crafts, binge, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.120 watch reality shows, played games, and spent lazy days on 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.680 the couch. It was movie nights, wine nights, morning to brieves, pranks, 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.440 hot chocolate, cookies, and warmth. Which here is those memories forever, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.480 and I will not let what happened erase how special 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.000 our home was or how much of those memories meant 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.320 to me. Xanna was one in a million. She was 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.160 the life of a party, but she was also the 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.320 kindest and funniest person I knew. Kayleie had the most beautiful, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:05.040 radiant smile. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.560 She was so kind but also one of the funniest 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.320 people I've ever known. I really believed that she could 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.039 have ruled the world if she wanted to, and she 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.600 would have been America's sweetheart. Ethan was the sweetest, most 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.520 genuine guy. Ethan was the kind of person you wanted 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.760 around and the way he cared for Zanna. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.680 It was truly something to admire and really was proof 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:32.400 that storybook love and true romances really do exist. Mattie 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.120 was not only one of my best friends, but she 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.920 was the older sister I would have always wanted. There 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.720 was no one I looked up to or admired more 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.840 than Mattie. She was truly a ray of sunshine and 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.880 everyone was drawn to her. I hope that they are 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.080 remembered for who they are and not what happened to them, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.800 because who they are were so beautiful and they deserve 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.200 to be remembered in the highest way. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.960 Here's Stephanie with Crime Analyst Body Movie. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.320 Then we didn't even know these girls and Ethan right, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.320 we didn't know them. We didn't of course, we're not 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.839 connected to them in any way. But you know, over 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.599 the course of the last two and a half years, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.800 we've ever really learned about how special these people were 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.640 that were murdered, and we all feel just tremendously sad. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.760 And you know who else I was really proud of Dylan. Dylan, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.320 if you don't know, she's the surviving roommate. She almost 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.360 I'm gonna get emotional and good, We're like a this 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.960 is like this is really she saw Brian Coberger. She 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:35.280 described him to police. Luckily was spared, thank god. And 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.320 she walked into court and she asked to sit. And 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.240 I was so appreciative that Bill Thompson kind of like 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.920 scooted it over a little bit. He's the prosecutor, kind 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.880 of scooted over a little bit so to block Brian 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.360 Coberger from viewing her or her from viewing him. And 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.320 she spoke, and she told her truth. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:08.760 What happened that night changed everything because of him. For beautiful, genuine, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:15.000 compassionate people were taken from this world for no reason. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.000 He didn't just take them from the world. He took 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:24.600 them from me, My friends, my people who felt like 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.679 my home, the people I looked up to and adorn 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.800 more than anyone. He took away my ability to trust 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.960 the world around me. What he had shattered me in 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.239 places I didn't know could break. I'm gonna be alone. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.320 I had to sleep in my mom's bed because I 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.000 was too terrified to close my eyes, terrified that if 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.320 I blinked someone might be there. I made escape plans 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.120 everywhere I went. If something happens, how do I get out? 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.280 What can I use to defend myself. Who can help? 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.600 And then there are the panic attacks, the guy that 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.840 slam into me like a tsunami out of nowhere. I 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:12.200 can't breathe, I can't think, I can't stop shaking. All 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.960 I can do is scream because the emotional pain and 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.440 the grief is too much to handle. They say I'm 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.480 a survivor, but I don't know how heavy it is 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.080 to carry so much pain and still be expected to 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.920 keep going. And that's because of him. He is a 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:34.720 hollow vessel, something less than human, a body without empathy, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:42.640 without remorse. He chose destruction, He chows evil, he feels nothing. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.360 He tried to take everything from me, my friends, my safety, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.280 my identity, my future. Living is how I honor them. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.320 Speaking today is to help me find some sort of 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.080 justice for them, and I will never let him take 0:08:59.080 --> 0:08:59.600 that from me. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:08.200 To confront Brian Coberger after she came so close to 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.600 being his victim and he walked right by her, that's 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.880 like massively traumatic. Her life is completely changed from this. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.679 She's only twenty one now. This woman is going to 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.480 need counseling for many, many, many years. And the only 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.720 person responsible for this is Brian Coberger, And that's what 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.400 victim impact statements are supposed to be. They're supposed to 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.959 tell the judge, this is how my life has been 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:37.880 affected by this happening, and this person deserves an enormous sentence. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.280 Ben Mogan's impact statement was particularly hard to listen to, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.320 specifically because of his troubled past and how Maddie helped him. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:47.400 It's just tragic. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:55.160 Maddie was my only child that I never had. Most 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.000 She's the only great thing I ever really did and 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.000 I only think I are you ever proud of? And 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.360 I went through a lot of issues with addiction and 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:14.120 with with substance abuse, and when I wasn't wanting to 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:21.120 live anymore, she was what would keep me here from 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.360 just not caring anymore, and knowing that she was out 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.920 there and that she was just such a beautiful person 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.400 kept me alive a lot of rough moments, and I'll 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.120 never be able to They placed her. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:42.000 Now, let's stop here for a break. We'll be back 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:54.520 in a moment here again. Long crime journalist Anjeanette Levy 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.600 with producer Alice in Bankston. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.000 I'm curious seem like this any of this was registering 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.920 for Brian, you know, you had a good view of him. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.240 How was he reacting to these emotional victim impact statements. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.280 As some of the other family members spoke. You know, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.080 it's like he is this even affecting him? Is it 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.040 upsetting him? Is he somebody who actually feels anything? He 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.840 was called evil? I mean, he was called all kinds 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.720 of things. And what struck me was when Scott Laramie 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.480 Matti Mogan's stepfathers talked about the need to have evil 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:32.959 locked away, he almost nodded in agreement, Brian Coberger did. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.360 Matty was taken senselessly and brutally in a sudden act 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.240 of evil. We know the law allows us to comment 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.079 on the defendant and his sentence. We support the plea agreement. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.520 Society needs to be protected against this evil. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.400 So it makes you wonder does Brian Coburger, you know, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.679 does he have the ability to reflect and realize I 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.560 am a really damaged human being? Like is he that 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:09.280 introspective and does he have the ability to see that 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.600 you know what, I am evil and I do need 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.520 to be locked away forever. I mean, because it was 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.440 almost like a It's an ever so slight nod in agreement. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.040 Here's Stephanie and crime analyst Body Moven. They're joined by 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:34.120 former homicide prosecutor Jarrett Farentino. Farantino is a season trial 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.280 attorney who's prosecuted some of the most complex and high 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.360 stakes cases in the country, including multiple death penalty trials. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.040 As victim statements go, I mean, listen, we've all been 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.719 in courtrooms. I mean, obviously you've been in more than 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.040 any of us combined. But you know, victim statements, to 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.520 your point is very powerful. But what's your response to 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.360 how he behaved? 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.600 Ryan Kolberger is dead behind the eyes seeing him in 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.439 those prison clothes again, seeing how pale he was, I mean, 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.920 he looked like a psychopath. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.160 That's a really great observation, because you know what he is, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:14.720 detached and devoid of emotion. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.360 Is a psychopath at its core. They do not feel 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:19.840 the same emotion that the rest. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:20.040 Of us do. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.560 Is I want to say, And I don't know, maybe 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.040 this is just what I want to think, but I 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.920 want to say, Olivia, it was really the only reaction 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.080 he had all day was to her words. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.160 My name is Olivia and I'm the big sister of 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.160 Kaylee Gonzalvez, and I was blessed to love Madison Mogan 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.959 as a sister too. I'm not here today to speak 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.720 in grief. I'm here to speak in truth because the 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.000 truth is, my sister, Kayley and her best friend Mattie 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.640 were not yours to take. They were not yours to study, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.120 to stalk, or to silence. They were two pieces of 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.439 a whole, the perfect yin and yang. They are everything 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:05.960 that you could never be loved, accepted, vibrant, accomplished, brave 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.400 and powerful. Because the truth about Kayley and Mattie is 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.000 they would have been kind to you if you would 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.880 approach them in their everyday lives. They would have given 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.320 you directions, thanked you for the compliment, or awkwardly giggled 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.080 to make your own words less uncomfortable for you in 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.640 a world that rejected you. They would have shown mercy. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.040 I won't offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.480 disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.320 the illusion of power, and I won't feed your beast. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.520 Instead, I will. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:49.160 Call you what you are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. I will 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.200 ask the questions that reverberate violently in my own head, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.600 so loudly that I can't think straight most any day. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:59.720 Some of these might be familiar. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:00.880 So sit up straight. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.920 When I talked to you, how was your life right 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.400 before you murdered my sisters? Did you prepare for the 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.920 crime before leaving your apartment? Please detail what you were 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.480 thinking and feeling at this time? Why did you choose 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.920 my sisters before making your move? Did you approach my sisters? 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.920 Do you tell what you were thinking and feeling before 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.480 leaving their home? Is there anything else you did? What 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.000 were Kaylee's last words? 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:35.680 Her poise was unbelievable, her telling the murderer sit up 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.520 straight when I talked. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.640 To you, Yes, did you tell what you were thinking 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.000 and feeling before leaving the home? And she was doing 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.720 these things because of the Reddit survey Brian Coberger did 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.200 exactly she was. She was mimicking him, and I loved 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.360 it because it's like it's an inside thing, right. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.640 And it doesn't know what that is. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:57.000 You know. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.160 Something that we always thought was very interesting and troubling 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.360 was that when Brian Coberger was getting his you know, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.720 PhD in Criminology, smarty pants that he is, he had 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.840 done this really strange survey where he sent out questions 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.800 to prisoners asking very specific questions that were kind of daunting, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.440 I mean in retrospects, like straight up scary, horrifying in 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.760 a real tell. And those questions are what Kaylee Gonzalveez, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.760 his sister basically repeated back to him in jest. And 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.960 it was really a total masterclass. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.600 She was mocking him. She started off by saying, you're 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.520 a psychopath. You're a sociopath. Then she proceeds to mock him. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.240 And narcissism is you know, he's a narcissist, and she's 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.680 saying to him, you have no power over me. Here 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.960 I am another young, beautiful woman looking in the face 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.840 telling you how small you are. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:51.440 No. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 What else I really love was when Steve Gonsalvez, the 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.160 father one of the victims, Yes, got up there, so 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.760 the podium was sort of facing the judge. Okay, he 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:05.520 physically turned the podium very abruptly, I might add, to 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:13.959 face Brian Coberger and he was literally talking directly to him. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.560 Today, we are here to finish what you started today. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.680 You've lost control. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:22.080 Today. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.240 We are here to prove to the world that you 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.840 pick the wrong families, wrong state, the wrong police officers, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.280 the wrong community. You tried to break our community apart. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.840 You tried to plant fear, You tried to divide us. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:38.920 You failed. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.160 Looking back, when the police officers knocked on my door, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.080 told me what happened to my child, told me what 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.560 happened to Mattie May. I don't think he was even 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.960 out of the driveway before my kids turned around, looked 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:51.560 at me and said what do we do? 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:51.960 Dad? 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.359 I told him you get to work, You get your 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.240 ass to work. And we started calling, We started texting, 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:05.680 we started emailing, and you know what, within hours, within hours, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.679 we had your white car on a camera. We knew, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.720 we knew from the very beginning, we had you. Police 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.439 officers tell us, within minutes, they had your DNA like 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.920 a calling card. You were that careless, that foolish, that's stupid, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.120 Master degree, You're a joke, complete joke. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.000 And he just lays it out. You're a joke. And 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.240 the only thing you've done is unite people in our 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:42.160 vendetta against you. And he presented this really great united 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:47.440 front from all of the victims' families. They're all united. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.480 They might disagree on certain things like the death penalty, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.840 for instance, but they are all united in their disdain 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:56.760 for him. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.840 Can you imagine the actional level of grace for the 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.520 actual family members. It's really just a testament to the 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.800 human spirit, and you know, just as a reminder of 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.960 the stuff that we all complain about, our stress about, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.760 or we get stirred up, and then you hear these 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.400 incredible humans and they have this fortitude to push on 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.480 and to see a better day ahead. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.879 Xanna Kernodle's aunt, Kim stood out to me in a 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:28.800 particular way. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.440 My name is Kim Karnodle. I'm Xana's aunt. It's very 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.280 blessed to have her in my life, in our family. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.679 And I thought I had everything in my head what 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.120 I wanted to say, but it kind of went out 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.600 and I try. I'm I'm always looking for the positive 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:59.399 thing because evil hate can destroy people, and that's what 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.080 it started doing with our family. Bran, I'm here today 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.640 to tell you I have forgiven you because I no 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.919 longer could live with that hate in my heart and 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.000 for me to become a better person. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:15.320 I have forgiven you. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.919 And anytime you want to talk and tell me what 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.080 happened yet my number. I'm here no judgment because I 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.320 do have questions that I want you to answer and 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.600 I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.639 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:46.920 a moment here again, Journalist angrenatte Levy from the Law 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:47.880 on Crime Network. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.439 I was shocked when Xana's aunt said she had forgiven 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.720 him and she wanted answers and that he could call 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.119 her any time. There isn't no contact order, but still, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.240 I mean, wow, I thought that very powerful. And he 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.439 just sat there, you know, he just sat there. He 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:10.440 does not deserve the grace that she offered him. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:15.240 Ethan Chapin's family did not attend Brian Coberger's sentencing hearing. Instead, 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.760 they chose to spend the day together as a family. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.240 A few days later, they released a statement thanking law 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.760 enforcement for their hard work and honoring their son and brother. Quote, 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.240 from the time you were a baby to when we 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.000 dropped you off at college, you were an absolute joy 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.640 and the glue that held our family together. We love you, 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:44.720 miss you, and promise to continue honoring your legacy. On 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.480 July twenty third, twenty twenty five, after several powerful, heart 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.520 wrenching victim impact statements, the air inside the courtroom was 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.719 thick with anticipation, Friends, family members, and members of the 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.480 public sat in absolute silence. They were waiting to see 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:08.000 if admitted killer Brian Coburger would finally speak, Would he, 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:13.639 at long last, reveal why, any kind of motive, any 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.360 sort of reason for the brutal, unthinkable murders of Madison, 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:24.160 Mogen Kayleie Gonsalvez, Xanakernodle, and Ethan Shapin. Just three weeks earlier, 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.800 at his plea hearing, Coburger had said almost nothing, And 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.760 for the grieving family members, for friends, for the public, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.680 it felt like a slap in the face. Still, there 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.200 was hope. There was hope that just maybe sentencing would 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.280 be different. Would he offer any reason that might help 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.520 these families make sense of the senseless and begin to heal, 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:50.159 or would the questions, mystery and pain continue to linger 0:22:50.520 --> 0:23:03.720 unanswered forever. Here's Judge Stephen Hipler in the courtroom. 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.560 Him, mister Coburger, you have an opportunity to make a 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:02.439 statement if you wish to. 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:03.640 I take it you were declining. 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:06.480 I respectfully declined. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.240 Here's Stephanie Leideker with crime analyst Body Movin and former 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:17.920 homicide prosecutor Jarrett Farantino, he. 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:22.280 Was asked this, and his quote was, I respectfully decline. 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.040 I almost threw the television again. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.280 What were you expecting? Though I was expecting. I'm so sorry. 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.560 Oh my gosh, No, that is not who BK is. 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.280 I know it's so hard to demand him to be 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.359 normal because he's not. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.760 Why was there no elocution? Why did he not have 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:39.359 to speak? 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.680 Well, he just doesn't have to. I hate to set 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.359 the answer. He doesn't have to. The prosecutor could not 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.560 have forced him to do that. He could have leveraged 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.000 that and made that request and made it a condition 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.879 of the plea. But you cannot compel a factual elocution 0:23:58.080 --> 0:23:58.840 of that nature. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.240 Could Bill Thompson has said something like this. Could he 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.280 have said, we're going to take the death penalty off 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.760 the table and give you life in prison, but you 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.760 have to tell us where the knife is, tell us 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.360 where the murder weapon is, and if we go dig 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.240 it up and it ain't there, you're not getting the deal. 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.800 Could they have done something like something like that? 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:17.280 Yeah? 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.480 Right, I think so he could have. 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.600 The thing is he did. Bill Thompson was saying in 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.600 his press conference afterwards, we saw an opportunity to resolve 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.560 the case and the litigation, not through the trial. And 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:34.960 he specifically said we wouldn't have believed what he said anyway. 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.120 Who is he to decide that though, But you don't 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:37.840 have to believe him. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.119 If he tells you where the knife is and you 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.399 go dig it up and stare, then you know he's 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.400 telling the truth. What does it matter if he's lying 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:42.679 or not? 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.280 Like you know, he could have asked that, and he 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.760 had leverage at that point because you didn't agree to 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.240 the deal and Culberger's life still hung in the balance, 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.120 and say, all right, Brian, you want us to take 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:54.560 the extreme step. 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.440 Of taking death off the table, you've got to give 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.280 us something other than saying you did this. So you've 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:04.360 got to tell us why, how, where? What are we missing? Exactly? 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.679