1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: What happened that night changed everything because of him. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: This was Brian Kolberger's legal funeral. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 3: No one is scared of you today. No one is 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: intimidated by you, no one is impressed by you. No 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: one thinks that you are important. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 4: And anytime you want to talk and tell me what happened, 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. Okay. 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 5: This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KAT Studios 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 5: and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode two, sentencing I'm Courtney Armstrong, 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 5: a producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Leideger and Gabriel Castillo. 11 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 5: On July twenty third, twenty twenty five, for the first 12 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 5: time in nearly three years, the family's and friends of Madison, Mogen, 13 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 5: Kaylee Gonsalvez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were finally given 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 5: the opportunity to confront the man who had been accused 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 5: and who now admitted to murdering their loved ones in 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 5: cold blood. 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: He chose destruction, he chose evil. He feels nothing. 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 5: It was an emotional day in court. The gallery was 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: packed and the atmosphere was tense. One by one, family 20 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 5: members stood and spoke directly to Brian Coberger. Some shared beautiful, 21 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 5: heartbreaking memories, others unleashed years of grief and anger, and 22 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 5: through it all, the room was filled with tears, silence, 23 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 5: and sometimes stunning moments of strength. 24 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 6: You tried to divide us. You failed. Instead, your actions 25 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 6: have united everyone in their disgust for you. 26 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: Coburger sat just feed away, his face, expressionless, his posture still. 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: I won't stand here and give you what you want. 28 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: I won't offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling 29 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on 30 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: the illusion of power, and I won't feed your beast. 31 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 5: And throughout the entire proceeding there was one question on 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 5: everyone's mind. Would he speak, would he explain why he 33 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: did it? Would he apologize? It was a final, resounding judgment, 34 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: but still there was one thing everyone was waiting for. 35 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 5: Here's long crime journalist Anjeanette Levy speaking with one of 36 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 5: our producers, Alison Bankston, talk. 37 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 7: To me about sentencing next. I know you were there 38 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 7: as well. That was a very emotional day, that was 39 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 7: very powerful to watch. 40 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 8: Is incredibly heavy. When we walked in, Brian Coburger was 41 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 8: wearing an orange jail jumpsuit. We fully expected that his 42 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 8: presumption of innocence no longer exists. And he's sitting there 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 8: in all orange and in handcuffs. He looked a little 44 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 8: more pale, a little more gaunt. 45 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 7: Did he seemed nervous up there at all, you know, 46 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 7: fitman with his hands like what was his vibe like? 47 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 8: Brian Coburger looked like he was kind of stealing himself 48 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 8: for what was coming. And he was clenching his jaw 49 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 8: at times, and at times he would kind of poke 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 8: his tongue to the side. 51 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 9: Of his cheek. 52 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 8: You could tell he was in some respects bracing himself 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 8: for what was coming. He knew the victim impact statements 54 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 8: were coming. 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: Here's Judge Stephen Hipler in the courtroom at sentencing. 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 10: All right, so with that, let's start with an impact statements. 57 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 11: Go ahead to jinks, your honor. 58 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: We will have Bethany Funko's statement, and she has asked 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: that her friend Emilia Lot read that up statement very well. 60 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: Bethany funk was one of the surviving roommates. Her room 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 5: was on the bottom floor and she did not come 62 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 5: into contact with Brian Coberger. 63 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 11: My name is Bethany Funk, and I was roommates with Mattie, Kaylee, Xanna, 64 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 11: and Ethan. I not only lost some of my best friends, 65 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 11: but I also lost a sister. Our house was not 66 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 11: just a house, It was a home. It was where 67 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 11: we left till we couldn't breathe make meals, did crafts, binge, 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 11: watch reality shows, played games, and spent lazy days on 69 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 11: the couch. It was movie nights, wine nights, morning to brieves, pranks, 70 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 11: hot chocolate, cookies, and warmth. Which here is those memories forever, 71 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 11: and I will not let what happened erase how special 72 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 11: our home was or how much of those memories meant 73 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 11: to me. Xanna was one in a million. She was 74 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 11: the life of a party, but she was also the 75 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 11: kindest and funniest person I knew. Kayleie had the most beautiful, 76 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 11: radiant smile. 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 12: She was so kind but also one of the funniest 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 12: people I've ever known. I really believed that she could 79 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 12: have ruled the world if she wanted to, and she 80 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 12: would have been America's sweetheart. Ethan was the sweetest, most 81 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 12: genuine guy. Ethan was the kind of person you wanted 82 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 12: around and the way he cared for Zanna. 83 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 11: It was truly something to admire and really was proof 84 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 11: that storybook love and true romances really do exist. Mattie 85 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 11: was not only one of my best friends, but she 86 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 11: was the older sister I would have always wanted. There 87 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 11: was no one I looked up to or admired more 88 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 11: than Mattie. She was truly a ray of sunshine and 89 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 11: everyone was drawn to her. I hope that they are 90 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 11: remembered for who they are and not what happened to them, 91 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 11: because who they are were so beautiful and they deserve 92 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 11: to be remembered in the highest way. 93 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: Here's Stephanie with Crime Analyst Body Movie. 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Then we didn't even know these girls and Ethan right, 95 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: we didn't know them. We didn't of course, we're not 96 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: connected to them in any way. But you know, over 97 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: the course of the last two and a half years, 98 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: we've ever really learned about how special these people were 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: that were murdered, and we all feel just tremendously sad. 100 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: And you know who else I was really proud of Dylan. Dylan, 101 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: if you don't know, she's the surviving roommate. She almost 102 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get emotional and good, We're like a this 103 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: is like this is really she saw Brian Coberger. She 104 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: described him to police. Luckily was spared, thank god. And 105 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: she walked into court and she asked to sit. And 106 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: I was so appreciative that Bill Thompson kind of like 107 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: scooted it over a little bit. He's the prosecutor, kind 108 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: of scooted over a little bit so to block Brian 109 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: Coberger from viewing her or her from viewing him. And 110 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: she spoke, and she told her truth. 111 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: What happened that night changed everything because of him. For beautiful, genuine, 112 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: compassionate people were taken from this world for no reason. 113 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: He didn't just take them from the world. He took 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: them from me, My friends, my people who felt like 115 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: my home, the people I looked up to and adorn 116 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: more than anyone. He took away my ability to trust 117 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: the world around me. What he had shattered me in 118 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: places I didn't know could break. I'm gonna be alone. 119 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: I had to sleep in my mom's bed because I 120 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: was too terrified to close my eyes, terrified that if 121 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: I blinked someone might be there. I made escape plans 122 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: everywhere I went. If something happens, how do I get out? 123 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: What can I use to defend myself. Who can help? 124 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: And then there are the panic attacks, the guy that 125 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: slam into me like a tsunami out of nowhere. I 126 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: can't breathe, I can't think, I can't stop shaking. All 127 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: I can do is scream because the emotional pain and 128 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: the grief is too much to handle. They say I'm 129 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: a survivor, but I don't know how heavy it is 130 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: to carry so much pain and still be expected to 131 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: keep going. And that's because of him. He is a 132 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: hollow vessel, something less than human, a body without empathy, 133 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: without remorse. He chose destruction, He chows evil, he feels nothing. 134 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: He tried to take everything from me, my friends, my safety, 135 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: my identity, my future. Living is how I honor them. 136 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: Speaking today is to help me find some sort of 137 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: justice for them, and I will never let him take 138 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: that from me. 139 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: To confront Brian Coberger after she came so close to 140 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: being his victim and he walked right by her, that's 141 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: like massively traumatic. Her life is completely changed from this. 142 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: She's only twenty one now. This woman is going to 143 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: need counseling for many, many, many years. And the only 144 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: person responsible for this is Brian Coberger, And that's what 145 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: victim impact statements are supposed to be. They're supposed to 146 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: tell the judge, this is how my life has been 147 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: affected by this happening, and this person deserves an enormous sentence. 148 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: Ben Mogan's impact statement was particularly hard to listen to, 149 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: specifically because of his troubled past and how Maddie helped him. 150 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: It's just tragic. 151 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 13: Maddie was my only child that I never had. Most 152 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 13: She's the only great thing I ever really did and 153 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 13: I only think I are you ever proud of? And 154 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 13: I went through a lot of issues with addiction and 155 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 13: with with substance abuse, and when I wasn't wanting to 156 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 13: live anymore, she was what would keep me here from 157 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 13: just not caring anymore, and knowing that she was out 158 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 13: there and that she was just such a beautiful person 159 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 13: kept me alive a lot of rough moments, and I'll 160 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 13: never be able to They placed her. 161 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 5: Now, let's stop here for a break. We'll be back 162 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 5: in a moment here again. Long crime journalist Anjeanette Levy 163 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 5: with producer Alice in Bankston. 164 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 7: I'm curious seem like this any of this was registering 165 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 7: for Brian, you know, you had a good view of him. 166 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 7: How was he reacting to these emotional victim impact statements. 167 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 8: As some of the other family members spoke. You know, 168 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 8: it's like he is this even affecting him? Is it 169 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 8: upsetting him? Is he somebody who actually feels anything? He 170 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 8: was called evil? I mean, he was called all kinds 171 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 8: of things. And what struck me was when Scott Laramie 172 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 8: Matti Mogan's stepfathers talked about the need to have evil 173 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 8: locked away, he almost nodded in agreement, Brian Coberger did. 174 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 14: Matty was taken senselessly and brutally in a sudden act 175 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 14: of evil. We know the law allows us to comment 176 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 14: on the defendant and his sentence. We support the plea agreement. 177 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 14: Society needs to be protected against this evil. 178 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 8: So it makes you wonder does Brian Coburger, you know, 179 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 8: does he have the ability to reflect and realize I 180 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 8: am a really damaged human being? Like is he that 181 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 8: introspective and does he have the ability to see that 182 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 8: you know what, I am evil and I do need 183 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 8: to be locked away forever. I mean, because it was 184 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 8: almost like a It's an ever so slight nod in agreement. 185 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 5: Here's Stephanie and crime analyst Body Moven. They're joined by 186 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 5: former homicide prosecutor Jarrett Farentino. Farantino is a season trial 187 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 5: attorney who's prosecuted some of the most complex and high 188 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: stakes cases in the country, including multiple death penalty trials. 189 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 15: As victim statements go, I mean, listen, we've all been 190 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 15: in courtrooms. I mean, obviously you've been in more than 191 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 15: any of us combined. But you know, victim statements, to 192 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 15: your point is very powerful. But what's your response to 193 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 15: how he behaved? 194 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 16: Ryan Kolberger is dead behind the eyes seeing him in 195 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 16: those prison clothes again, seeing how pale he was, I mean, 196 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 16: he looked like a psychopath. 197 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: That's a really great observation, because you know what he is, 198 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: detached and devoid of emotion. 199 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 15: Is a psychopath at its core. They do not feel 200 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 15: the same emotion that the rest. 201 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 13: Of us do. 202 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: Is I want to say, And I don't know, maybe 203 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: this is just what I want to think, but I 204 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: want to say, Olivia, it was really the only reaction 205 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: he had all day was to her words. 206 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: My name is Olivia and I'm the big sister of 207 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: Kaylee Gonzalvez, and I was blessed to love Madison Mogan 208 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 3: as a sister too. I'm not here today to speak 209 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: in grief. I'm here to speak in truth because the 210 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: truth is, my sister, Kayley and her best friend Mattie 211 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: were not yours to take. They were not yours to study, 212 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: to stalk, or to silence. They were two pieces of 213 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: a whole, the perfect yin and yang. They are everything 214 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: that you could never be loved, accepted, vibrant, accomplished, brave 215 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: and powerful. Because the truth about Kayley and Mattie is 216 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: they would have been kind to you if you would 217 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: approach them in their everyday lives. They would have given 218 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: you directions, thanked you for the compliment, or awkwardly giggled 219 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: to make your own words less uncomfortable for you in 220 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: a world that rejected you. They would have shown mercy. 221 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: I won't offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling 222 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on 223 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: the illusion of power, and I won't feed your beast. 224 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 11: Instead, I will. 225 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: Call you what you are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. I will 226 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: ask the questions that reverberate violently in my own head, 227 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: so loudly that I can't think straight most any day. 228 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: Some of these might be familiar. 229 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 11: So sit up straight. 230 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: When I talked to you, how was your life right 231 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: before you murdered my sisters? Did you prepare for the 232 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: crime before leaving your apartment? Please detail what you were 233 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: thinking and feeling at this time? Why did you choose 234 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: my sisters before making your move? Did you approach my sisters? 235 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: Do you tell what you were thinking and feeling before 236 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: leaving their home? Is there anything else you did? What 237 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: were Kaylee's last words? 238 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: Her poise was unbelievable, her telling the murderer sit up 239 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 5: straight when I talked. 240 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: To you, Yes, did you tell what you were thinking 241 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: and feeling before leaving the home? And she was doing 242 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: these things because of the Reddit survey Brian Coberger did 243 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: exactly she was. She was mimicking him, and I loved 244 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: it because it's like it's an inside thing, right. 245 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 5: And it doesn't know what that is. 246 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: You know. 247 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 15: Something that we always thought was very interesting and troubling 248 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 15: was that when Brian Coberger was getting his you know, 249 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 15: PhD in Criminology, smarty pants that he is, he had 250 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 15: done this really strange survey where he sent out questions 251 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 15: to prisoners asking very specific questions that were kind of daunting, 252 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 15: I mean in retrospects, like straight up scary, horrifying in 253 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 15: a real tell. And those questions are what Kaylee Gonzalveez, 254 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 15: his sister basically repeated back to him in jest. And 255 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 15: it was really a total masterclass. 256 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 16: She was mocking him. She started off by saying, you're 257 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 16: a psychopath. You're a sociopath. Then she proceeds to mock him. 258 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 16: And narcissism is you know, he's a narcissist, and she's 259 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 16: saying to him, you have no power over me. Here 260 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 16: I am another young, beautiful woman looking in the face 261 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 16: telling you how small you are. 262 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 9: No. 263 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: What else I really love was when Steve Gonsalvez, the 264 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: father one of the victims, Yes, got up there, so 265 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: the podium was sort of facing the judge. Okay, he 266 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: physically turned the podium very abruptly, I might add, to 267 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: face Brian Coberger and he was literally talking directly to him. 268 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 6: Today, we are here to finish what you started today. 269 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 6: You've lost control. 270 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: Today. 271 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 6: We are here to prove to the world that you 272 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 6: pick the wrong families, wrong state, the wrong police officers, 273 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: the wrong community. You tried to break our community apart. 274 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 6: You tried to plant fear, You tried to divide us. 275 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 10: You failed. 276 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 6: Looking back, when the police officers knocked on my door, 277 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 6: told me what happened to my child, told me what 278 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 6: happened to Mattie May. I don't think he was even 279 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 6: out of the driveway before my kids turned around, looked 280 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 6: at me and said what do we do? 281 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 17: Dad? 282 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 6: I told him you get to work, You get your 283 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 6: ass to work. And we started calling, We started texting, 284 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 6: we started emailing, and you know what, within hours, within hours, 285 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 6: we had your white car on a camera. We knew, 286 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 6: we knew from the very beginning, we had you. Police 287 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 6: officers tell us, within minutes, they had your DNA like 288 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 6: a calling card. You were that careless, that foolish, that's stupid, 289 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 6: Master degree, You're a joke, complete joke. 290 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: And he just lays it out. You're a joke. And 291 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: the only thing you've done is unite people in our 292 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: vendetta against you. And he presented this really great united 293 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: front from all of the victims' families. They're all united. 294 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: They might disagree on certain things like the death penalty, 295 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: for instance, but they are all united in their disdain 296 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: for him. 297 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 15: Can you imagine the actional level of grace for the 298 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 15: actual family members. It's really just a testament to the 299 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 15: human spirit, and you know, just as a reminder of 300 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 15: the stuff that we all complain about, our stress about, 301 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 15: or we get stirred up, and then you hear these 302 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 15: incredible humans and they have this fortitude to push on 303 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 15: and to see a better day ahead. 304 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 5: Xanna Kernodle's aunt, Kim stood out to me in a 305 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: particular way. 306 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: My name is Kim Karnodle. I'm Xana's aunt. It's very 307 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: blessed to have her in my life, in our family. 308 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 4: And I thought I had everything in my head what 309 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: I wanted to say, but it kind of went out 310 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: and I try. I'm I'm always looking for the positive 311 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: thing because evil hate can destroy people, and that's what 312 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: it started doing with our family. Bran, I'm here today 313 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 4: to tell you I have forgiven you because I no 314 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: longer could live with that hate in my heart and 315 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 4: for me to become a better person. 316 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 18: I have forgiven you. 317 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 4: And anytime you want to talk and tell me what 318 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: happened yet my number. I'm here no judgment because I 319 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: do have questions that I want you to answer and 320 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. 321 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 5: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 322 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 5: a moment here again, Journalist angrenatte Levy from the Law 323 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 5: on Crime Network. 324 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 8: I was shocked when Xana's aunt said she had forgiven 325 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 8: him and she wanted answers and that he could call 326 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 8: her any time. There isn't no contact order, but still, 327 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 8: I mean, wow, I thought that very powerful. And he 328 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 8: just sat there, you know, he just sat there. He 329 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 8: does not deserve the grace that she offered him. 330 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 5: Ethan Chapin's family did not attend Brian Coberger's sentencing hearing. Instead, 331 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 5: they chose to spend the day together as a family. 332 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 5: A few days later, they released a statement thanking law 333 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 5: enforcement for their hard work and honoring their son and brother. Quote, 334 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: from the time you were a baby to when we 335 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 5: dropped you off at college, you were an absolute joy 336 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 5: and the glue that held our family together. We love you, 337 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: miss you, and promise to continue honoring your legacy. On 338 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 5: July twenty third, twenty twenty five, after several powerful, heart 339 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 5: wrenching victim impact statements, the air inside the courtroom was 340 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 5: thick with anticipation, Friends, family members, and members of the 341 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: public sat in absolute silence. They were waiting to see 342 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: if admitted killer Brian Coburger would finally speak, Would he, 343 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 5: at long last, reveal why, any kind of motive, any 344 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 5: sort of reason for the brutal, unthinkable murders of Madison, 345 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 5: Mogen Kayleie Gonsalvez, Xanakernodle, and Ethan Shapin. Just three weeks earlier, 346 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: at his plea hearing, Coburger had said almost nothing, And 347 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: for the grieving family members, for friends, for the public, 348 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 5: it felt like a slap in the face. Still, there 349 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 5: was hope. There was hope that just maybe sentencing would 350 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: be different. Would he offer any reason that might help 351 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 5: these families make sense of the senseless and begin to heal, 352 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 5: or would the questions, mystery and pain continue to linger 353 00:22:50,520 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 5: unanswered forever. Here's Judge Stephen Hipler in the courtroom. 354 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 18: Him, mister Coburger, you have an opportunity to make a 355 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 18: statement if you wish to. 356 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 9: I take it you were declining. 357 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 16: I respectfully declined. 358 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 5: Here's Stephanie Leideker with crime analyst Body Movin and former 359 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 5: homicide prosecutor Jarrett Farantino, he. 360 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 15: Was asked this, and his quote was, I respectfully decline. 361 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 15: I almost threw the television again. 362 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: What were you expecting? Though I was expecting. I'm so sorry. 363 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, No, that is not who BK is. 364 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: I know it's so hard to demand him to be 365 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: normal because he's not. 366 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 15: Why was there no elocution? Why did he not have 367 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 15: to speak? 368 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 16: Well, he just doesn't have to. I hate to set 369 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 16: the answer. He doesn't have to. The prosecutor could not 370 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 16: have forced him to do that. He could have leveraged 371 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 16: that and made that request and made it a condition 372 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 16: of the plea. But you cannot compel a factual elocution 373 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 16: of that nature. 374 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: Could Bill Thompson has said something like this. Could he 375 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: have said, we're going to take the death penalty off 376 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: the table and give you life in prison, but you 377 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: have to tell us where the knife is, tell us 378 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 2: where the murder weapon is, and if we go dig 379 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: it up and it ain't there, you're not getting the deal. 380 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: Could they have done something like something like that? 381 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 11: Yeah? 382 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 17: Right, I think so he could have. 383 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 16: The thing is he did. Bill Thompson was saying in 384 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 16: his press conference afterwards, we saw an opportunity to resolve 385 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 16: the case and the litigation, not through the trial. And 386 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 16: he specifically said we wouldn't have believed what he said anyway. 387 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 15: Who is he to decide that though, But you don't 388 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 15: have to believe him. 389 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: If he tells you where the knife is and you 390 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: go dig it up and stare, then you know he's 391 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: telling the truth. What does it matter if he's lying 392 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: or not? 393 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 17: Like you know, he could have asked that, and he 394 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 17: had leverage at that point because you didn't agree to 395 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 17: the deal and Culberger's life still hung in the balance, 396 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 17: and say, all right, Brian, you want us to take 397 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 17: the extreme step. 398 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 16: Of taking death off the table, you've got to give 399 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 16: us something other than saying you did this. So you've 400 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 16: got to tell us why, how, where? What are we missing? Exactly? 401 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 16: Do that. He's trying to take some of the sensationalism 402 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 16: out of this. I'm describing as a very by the 403 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 16: book prosecutor. He only wants enough details out to secure 404 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 16: the conviction and move on. He's really trying to downplay this, 405 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 16: and that's not a rub against him. That's a style, 406 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 16: that's an. 407 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 17: Approach to this. 408 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 16: I don't see that. It's just not effective in this 409 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 16: type of a case, you have to kind of just 410 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 16: ride a wave a little bit and say, look, the 411 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 16: demand of the public. They really want to know some 412 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 16: of these details. Stop holding back. 413 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 5: Here's Judge Stephen Hipler in the courtroom defending the prosecution's decision. 414 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 10: As we sit here today, this case is ending, and 415 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 10: we are now certain who committed these unspeakable acts of evil, 416 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 10: But we don't know, and what we may never know 417 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 10: is why. I share the desire expressed by others to 418 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 10: understand and the why. 419 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 18: But upon reflection, it seems to me, and this is 420 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 18: just my own opinion, that by continuing to focus on why, 421 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 18: we continue to give mister Coburger relevance, we give him 422 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 18: agency and we give him power. Yet, even if I 423 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 18: could force him to speak, which legally I cannot, how 424 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 18: could anyone ever be assured that what he speaks is 425 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 18: the truth? 426 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 9: Do we really believe after all of this he's capable 427 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 9: of speaking the truth or of giving up something of 428 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 9: himself to help the very people whose lives he destroyed. Rather, 429 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 9: I suspect the so called reason would be dished out 430 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 9: in enticing, self serving and aggrandizing, untruthful bits, leaving people 431 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 9: wanting more information, more insight, and this enhancing even further 432 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 9: the power he seeks to hold. Even if we could 433 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 9: get truthful insight into his why, I suspected, would not 434 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 9: in any way quench one's thirst for actually understanding why 435 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 9: in the first instance, because there is no reason for 436 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 9: these crimes that could approach anything resembling rationality, No conceivable 437 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 9: reason could make any sense. And in the end, the 438 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 9: more we struggle to seek explanation for the unexplainable, the 439 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 9: more we try to extract a reason, the more power 440 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 9: and control we give to him. In my view, the 441 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 9: time has now calm to end mister Coberger's fifteen minutes 442 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 9: of fame. It's time that he'd be consigned to the 443 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 9: ignominy and isolation of perpetual incarceration. 444 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 5: At the end of the hearing, Judge Hitler delivered the 445 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 5: sentence for consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole. 446 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 5: Coburger also waived his right to appeal. Brian Coberger was 447 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 5: led out of the courtroom, his hands and feet clinking 448 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 5: with shackles and chains. Deputies escorted him down a secure 449 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 5: hallway into a waiting transport van. His final destination the 450 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 5: Idaho Maximum Security institution, a place he will never leave, 451 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 5: and that very night something else happened. 452 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 18: After Wednesday's hearing, the Moscow Police Department released more than 453 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 18: three hundred documents related to the case. 454 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 17: The documents reveal unsettling new details about the weeks leading 455 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 17: up to the murders. 456 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 5: For many, this was their first glimpse behind the scenes. 457 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 5: For others, it was a chance to search for answers, 458 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 5: to find even the smallest clue that might explain the 459 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 5: questions still hanging over this entire case. Why Why did 460 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: Brian Coberger take four innocent lives? In search of answers? 461 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 5: We're going inside those documents. More on that next time. 462 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 5: For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow 463 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 5: us on Instagram at kat Underscore Studios. The Idaho Massacres 464 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 5: produced by Stephanie Leideker, Alison Bankston, Gabriel Castillo and me 465 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound design by Jeff Toois, Music 466 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 5: by Jared Aston. The Idaho Masacre is a production of 467 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 5: Katie's Studios and iHeartRadio. 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