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Speaker 1: You went to another episode against the Chronicles podcast and

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Speaker 1: I'm with my dogs Jill, And you know, back in

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Speaker 1: Maze Man was cracking. Man. Everything's good man, I'm really

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Speaker 1: Um but uh yeah, it was just a whole bunch

428
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: of old Cypress Hill. There was a whole thing going

429
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: on between Cypress Hill and the Source where we really

430
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: helped blow Cypress Hill up, Like, you know, before they

431
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: even came out, we were pushing them in the magazine.

432
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: We loved Cypress Hill. Help blow them up. But then

433
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: there was a falling out between them and some of

434
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: these editors at the Source that were writing ship whatever.

435
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: They had a whole thing with them where they ran

436
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: up on me down to Miami at one of the

437
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: music conferences. Um, you know behind that and you know, nothing,

438
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: nothing happened. I was able to talk to all of them.

439
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: It was like fifteen and them with you know, all

440
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: the Samoans they ran with, you know, the Boy Brothers. Yeah,

441
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was down there by myself at this

442
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: music conference, you know. But anyway, you know, so stuff

443
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: like that. People definitely took the ratings seriously. But um,

444
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have to deal with too much drama.

445
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: Fortunately over the years. That's a good thing because hip

446
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: hop can be kind of like, you know, it gets

447
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, I know a lot of rappers, man, some

448
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: cats take their stuff serious and they'd like to push

449
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: their line like that. So you never had nobody running

450
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: up in the office, man, like what the hell going

451
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: on man, this ship, I mean, it's over now you

452
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: can tell us. Now let's bring some news. But this

453
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: is this is a story that that I've talked about

454
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: and that me and him talking about, I think on

455
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: on one of his shows. But Dame Dash, there was

456
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: a situation where, you know, uh, jay Z was we

457
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: were supposed to give jay Z to cover. Now when

458
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: we did a cover, like, we wanted it to be exclusive. Okay,

459
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you the cover, Like we got to

460
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: get the first dives, be the first magazine, the first interview,

461
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: and we need to get that out there right like

462
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: when the album drops and then after that next month

463
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: or whatever you could do other you know, um, you know,

464
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: other types of things. But um, um Ship was saying

465
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: about the Yeah, so so we were gonna give j

466
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: the cover, um, and we had agreed to do it.

467
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: It was gonna be exclusive, and um, I think the

468
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: album got pushed back something like that. And the next

469
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: thing I know, um, the very first issue of Double

470
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: X magazine comes out and it has jay Z on

471
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: the cover, and UM, you know, I'm like, well, damn.

472
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: You know, we had an arrangement, you know, to have

473
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: the exclusive for jay Z and now he's on the

474
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know that the time Deluxel was supposed

475
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: to be this big competitor to the Source and he's

476
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: on the cover. So you know, I decided I wasn't

477
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna do the cover. I pull that back on it.

478
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: There was some you know, drama behind that, and it

479
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: ended up one one day, Damon Dash and about four

480
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: or five guys ran up into the Source office. I

481
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I was out somewhere, but I got the

482
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: phone call and they were like in the lobby, you know,

483
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: trying to cause some some rockets or whatever. But you know,

484
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: we had our our security, you know, and guys they

485
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: having basically you know, everybody left peacefully, you know, and

486
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: you know that was like one of the memorable ones.

487
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: But it wasn't nothing like crazy. Again. We fortunately didn't

488
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: have any like crazy type situations. No issues with Shige night.

489
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: Uh No. I always had a great relationship with Sugar. Um.

490
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: He was always you know, respectful to me and very supportive. Um.

491
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, like from that first cover with Dre, you know,

492
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: he's really helped make that happen. And uh even with

493
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: the you know, with the ninety Source awards, Um, you know,

494
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know he spent like over

495
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars on that set that opened up

496
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: the show. Death Row had the jail cells and everybody performed.

497
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have that kind of money. This

498
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: is our first time ever televising the Source Awards, and

499
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: he's he's really the only label that stepped up and

500
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: spent that kind of money. A lot of the other

501
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: labels supported. That was the whole way I was able

502
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: to make it happen was because of the relationships I

503
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: had with the Sugars, the Jay Princes, the Puffs, you know,

504
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Russell Simmons, le Or Cohen's, all the different players, you know,

505
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: to get everybody to come together, you know, and and

506
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: and do it. But uh, you know that really made

507
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: the show look on television way doper. You know, that

508
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: opening set was you know, the most dope probably performances

509
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: ever on an award show. So um no, I never

510
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: never really had any any drama with Now James just

511
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: did something. I don't know if he did it on

512
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: purpose or not. He just landed on something that we

513
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: got to talk about in length, in detail that Source

514
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Awards because in my opinion, death Row Records probably had

515
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: the best performance ever at the Source of Awards when

516
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: they came out with all the jail sales on on

517
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: the thing and everybody was out there and you see

518
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: r b X come out because some of them represents

519
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: on death Row. That was people's first time actually getting

520
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: to see them, you know, perform. So when they came

521
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: out on stage and everything we was going through your

522
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: mind when that whole night happened. Was the chaos was

523
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: attention to the airman and think because we right in

524
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the war almost then, that's like right

525
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: at the start of the war. Attention I was there, Yeah,

526
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: well I was to know the war there would that

527
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: night that was that was an interesting night. I was attention.

528
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I had beef with quick that night, right. Yeah. It

529
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: was tension in the building because that was the night

530
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: that m C eight because he was up there with

531
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the whole ful of people and you were sitting right

532
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: in the stags the front, right in front. To do

533
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: that though, I would have you know, I would have

534
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: said something. They kind of threw that in because that

535
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: wasn't part of theirs. They tried to the wife or something.

536
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: They tried to diss me on stage during the show

537
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: and we was ready to fight about eight niggers with

538
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: they did something about the fiance. Uh, somebody recognized the

539
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: fiance and some bulletshit and uh you heard the wooes

540
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: and the woes when when he said it, So people

541
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: was picking. Yeah, But what I will say is there

542
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: wasn't tension going in there. Like a lot of people

543
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: think about, you know, kind of what you were saying,

544
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Like they think about the Source Awards as like the

545
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: start of you know, where things you know go left

546
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: and and and and everything that happens after that. But

547
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't look at it like that. It's like, um,

548
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, there was no tension. Park wasn't jail and

549
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: going into that night, nobody knew that Park was coming

550
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: out and gonna be on death row. Okay, So Park

551
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: had his drama with you know, Big and Bad Boy

552
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: that have been going on while he was in jail.

553
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: But me putting the Source Awards together, you know, I

554
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't see any you know beasts. There was no problems

555
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: at any point you know, between death rowing Bad Boy

556
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: at this point now you know, and then there's differing

557
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, opinions, Like one of the things about that

558
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: show like that. Uh that I noticed is you know

559
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: when you watch the ninety five Source Awards bad Boy,

560
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, the death Row opens it and kills with

561
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: that performance. But before sug goes on stage, there's a

562
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: bad Boy performance at Medley where he had everybody there too,

563
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, Craig mac total big little kid, Junior Mafia.

564
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: But at the beginning of that Puffs kneeling on the

565
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: stage and he's saying this on the spotlight. You know,

566
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I live in the East and I'll die in the East.

567
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: You know. Now that's before shuld goes on stage. So

568
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I never had the opportunity to have this conversation with Sugar.

569
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: I hope you know that I will one day uh

570
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: to find this out. But in my mind, I'm thinking

571
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: like that might have been something, you know, that made

572
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: him feel a certain way, you know, probably definitely kicked

573
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, this sounds like you're throwing dirt. Then

574
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when you say, you know,

575
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: I live everything that happened. But um, like we had

576
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: talked about it, I guess before we really got on air.

577
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: It's like the real situation between death Row and bad

578
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: Boy doesn't start until a month or so later, when

579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, Jake is killed down in Atlanta, that's really

580
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: the start of the violence, the drama, everything going crazy

581
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: from there. Now, you know, we can talk about that

582
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: a little bit because I didn't even know James at

583
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: the time, but I remember when Jake got killed, it

584
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: was a lot of like it was some real cats

585
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: in the street talking about that because I remember one

586
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: of my good homeboys, you know, Crawford. He was mad

587
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: as hell, tears flaming down as he came by my

588
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: house when that happened. That Jake was a real good dude.

589
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: And I knew I knew Jake very well. You know,

590
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: he was doing promotion for death Row and we used

591
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: to you know, talk a lot, and I would go

592
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: see him when I came out, you know, visit our here,

593
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: and you know, I had a lot of love for Jake.

594
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that that hurt, you know when uh,

595
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: when when we lost Now, what's going through your mind, man,

596
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Because I've had these situations, you know, to where you're

597
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: sitting home listening to something, you know, you there, you're

598
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: listening to it, and it's like in the moment and

599
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: like you can stop because all this stuff is actually

600
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: happening right now. When you saw should go up there

601
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: and say, and you knew where he was going. If

602
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: you don't want the executive producer dancing all in the videos,

603
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: what's your heart just beating? Like, oh man, it's about

604
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to go down. I mean, of course I was like,

605
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: oh man, with you know the room. You know, the

606
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: room got loud, you know, because you know, he kind

607
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: of got booed, you know, because it's five thousand people

608
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: in there. You got maybe not even a thousand in

609
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: the front. That's the industry. People of the rest is

610
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: people from New York exactly who bought tickets to sit

611
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: in the in the back and upstairs and everything. So

612
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, I was in the back of the theater,

613
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: like just walking around, I would, you know, just trying

614
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: to check the temperature, see what was going on out

615
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: in the crowd. So I kind of remember, you know,

616
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: hearing that in the commotion, and I you know, made

617
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: the B line to get backstage and you know, chugging

618
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: his guys. Like the back of the theater in the garden,

619
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: it's like stairs that go up and down the different

620
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: you know levels of the backstage and resting rooms and

621
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: ship like that. I just remember going over on that

622
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: side and it was like fifty guys just running up

623
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: and down the stairs, the stairs like you know, kind

624
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: of causing the ruckets, just yelling and screaming whatever. And

625
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: then Puff was over on the other side of the

626
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: stage and to the other side of the stage. He

627
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: had a bunch of people around him and he was

628
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: really upset about it, and you know, but he decided

629
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: to kind of take the higher ground, you know, and

630
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: and and not you know, respond or whatever, and he

631
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: calmed down, and you know, so there wasn't no you know,

632
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: it was you know, there was tension, but there wasn't

633
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: no it wasn't even a punch thrown that night that

634
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of, you know. Um, And sometimes people

635
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: just make it out like it was much more and

636
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: make it out, you know, like that's really what caused

637
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: everything that happened afterwards. And you know, to me, that's

638
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: part of the history that you know, I want to

639
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: try to get told correctly and get out because I've

640
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: heard through the years, I've heard about a girl claimed

641
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: that she got slept with a bottle or something like that.

642
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Outside the Source of Wars, somebody got cracked with a

643
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: bottle or something like that. So that what truth, I

644
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: don't think I being inside, I don't think I've witnessed

645
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: any actual scrapping or actual fighting. So and but it

646
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: was serious tension, and that's serious tension and that's a

647
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: good thing. Man. So now the war is on, and

648
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: you're right, it just didn't start that. It would have

649
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: been bubbling kind of because if I'm correct, correct me

650
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, James. But Sugar and Puffy was actually

651
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: hanging out pretty tough at one point, wasn't he. Yep?

652
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: They was you know, they was boys. So that frud

653
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: was puff shot like man, this supposed to be my man,

654
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: and he appeared you know what I'm saying this and

655
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know what I'm saying. It was at

656
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: that point sheould wanted to why didn't like I don't

657
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I never had no problems

658
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: with should I've had talks with Sugar and all that.

659
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: What what sparked him to do that that night? Just

660
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: to take over? It was just you know, I'm for

661
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: the star when people toes. I don't know what it was.

662
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I think she wanted somebody. Puppy. Puppy was like that

663
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: ain't happening. You know, he actually stood up to him,

664
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: and that was a sign like who the nigga think

665
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: he is? So she felt a certain god away and

666
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: then ship just start happening through. I think it was

667
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: more he says. She say, boys, ship that was going

668
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: back and forth from New York to us, and Sugar

669
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: was getting it, and it was only one way to

670
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: reply to that ship. Okay, let's let's start poking needles

671
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: at motherfucker's start being disrespectful. And then you couple that

672
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: with the Tupac stuff, because I don't heard it's so

673
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: many stories about that. You don't know what's true or

674
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: not true unless you was there, you know what I mean,

675
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Because I know Biggie and Tuthpock at one time was

676
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: running tough because I could swear DJ Bob kats mother

677
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: god brother. You know DJ Bock is my god brother.

678
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: He did a lot of work with Tupac prior to

679
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: him coming with you know, Deathro like them earlier, was

680
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: before Tupac became the iconic duty was and I remember

681
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: a few times actually seeing I remember seeing Biggie with

682
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: with Tupac. But this is back before either of them

683
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: dues what's who they were? So now the war is

684
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: kicked off. Man, everything is crazy. How did that impact

685
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: you doing business? You know, business still moving on, of course,

686
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: but now everybody old sensitive. So if it looks like

687
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: you're picking the side, have you ever got to cue

688
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: of picking the side? No? Again, you know that's just

689
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: something I really try to navigate very carefully, just you

690
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: know that kind of you know, sensitivity to situations. You know,

691
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: not wanting to ever be in a position of you know,

692
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: inflaming a situation. Um you know, um with you know,

693
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: one of the things that I did in nineties six,

694
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, while It's stuff was going on, I mean

695
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: we couldn't do a Source awards that you know, it

696
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: just wasn't the environment to do that. So it did

697
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: put a stop to that. But um I did a

698
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: cover with Sugar in the summer of nineties six, the

699
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: one you know where he's sitting on a rose Royce

700
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: and you know, get a real in depth interview. But

701
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: on the front cover you'll see it says Sugar Knight

702
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: and then it quotes it ain't no East coast West

703
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: coast thing, which was a quote from him and the article.

704
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 1: So to me, that was something to try to get

705
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: that message out there to people like, this isn't East

706
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: West thing. This is you know, obviously it's something you know,

707
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: it's a personal thing you know that was going on. Um.

708
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: So you know that's an example of a way that

709
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: I would try to, you know, help a situation if

710
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I could, you know, like that, um and and just

711
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: not get into just printing a bunch of you know,

712
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: inflammatory ship that's going to end up you know, leading

713
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: to you know, some some real consequences. Yeah, people don't

714
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: do that as big because people are printing damn thing

715
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: not knowing that could get motherfucker's knocked down, right, you

716
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So now we're going through all

717
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: that stuff. Man, then uh, you had a whole thing

718
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: that happens in the Night of Las Vegas, you know,

719
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas when Tupac got killed, right, Um, And

720
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: I think that's when everything kind of like kind of

721
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: slowed down from there, you know what I'm saying, kind

722
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: of slowed down. Then Biggie got killed, right, and that's

723
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: when everybody was kind of like, man, this ship is real,

724
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that ship, I don't

725
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: think it had nothing to do with no hip hop.

726
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: I think that was all some other ship going on,

727
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, why not? Why not? I just don't think

728
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: it was about the music, man. I think it was

729
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot of other ship involved. Well, you you've got

730
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: two guys just turning and found a way to make

731
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: money with record shells and everything else. And they called

732
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: it a beets. So now they got neighborhoods fighting against

733
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: each other. So they turned it into a gang banging

734
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: on wax type of ship. So now you got the

735
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: bloods and the cribs fighting, and people was loving it

736
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: and eating this ship up and buying all the music

737
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: they can buy from both sides. So what they what

738
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: they wanted to do. It worked because they made a

739
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: gang of money off this ship during this beef. So

740
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: you can't go and tell everybody were rehearsing this ship.

741
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: We ain't really doing it for real, but this is

742
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: just a show to make money. So all the guys

743
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: in Compton, all the guys in New York, all the

744
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: guys in the South Side, and everybody else, they believe

745
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: in this ship is real. But that's what I'm saying.

746
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: And so it turned to some street ships. They want

747
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: to turn it opposed but it got music. Motherfucker's it

748
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: got it got rapped, was involved, and they've been involved,

749
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: and they're the biggest ones prom and I hate you,

750
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'll suck your white bulls shit. Who's gonna

751
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: react to that that they're talking about? And they're eating

752
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: this ship up? So here they are fighting and going

753
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: at war. But now that's in the streets. Yeah, it

754
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: was some real ship, man, because um me and big Tires,

755
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: Big sych rest in Peace. That was like my brother

756
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: and um you know, he had told me a story about,

757
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, seeing faith in the actual hotel. I won't

758
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: get into that right now, but it was some real

759
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: dust being thrown like Motherfucker's really was doing some maniacs ships,

760
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, trying to win up the next man. So

761
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that that didn't You didn't hear

762
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: all this ship going on behind the scenes when you

763
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: was up in the magazine. Man, there, you can keep

764
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: it real here, man, I'm gonna get you mikes man

765
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: before you man, I'm going to let it out. I

766
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: think how big as steal as it guy to him,

767
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: but for real, for real, the only dame that matters

768
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: is that he didn't put the bullshit. Yeah, he didn't

769
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: print it. And that's one thing I was gonna commed

770
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: you on, because you could have probably sold a couple

771
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: of million extra magazines by just putting certain little things

772
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: that you don't hurt. You could have made a lot

773
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: of money. And you controversial and you know us here

774
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: doing we do. It's a lot of ship we keep

775
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: up from the reps that could be shipped. Like, man,

776
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: if we put this out, this is gonna blow up.

777
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: But we know the repercussions of talking about certain ship.

778
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, everything isn't cool to put out in public.

779
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: You know everything in cool to put in public. Man,

780
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: So this is going on, man, and we go touching

781
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: another subject. Man. You see, as you knew ben Zino,

782
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: your friends coming up from when you was in Harvard.

783
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: Then you got people that come out and say that

784
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: ben Zino actually extorted the company from you. And it

785
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: never seemed like that to me. I always thought that

786
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: was kind of some bullshit. I said with him, dude,

787
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: seem a little too tight for it to be like,

788
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: he don't look like he extorted the man, look like

789
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: they're just doing business together. What did that come about?

790
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: That that ever caused an attention between you and him. No, no,

791
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean that was never the situation. And so no,

792
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I never caused any attention. Yeah, because being is a

793
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: good being. Is a dude that we know. You know,

794
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's always been corgied with us and everything.

795
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Uh and I think sometimes because he has that three

796
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: D eggs to him, people try to put one thing

797
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: on to that every like you never really spoke on that. Yeah,

798
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he definitely, Um, you know, people

799
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: you know try to say a lot of different things

800
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: those room as you're talking about you know, other things

801
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: you know about him. I mean me and him had

802
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: a had a friendship and turned into a business partnership

803
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: and you know it lasted for a long time. Um,

804
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: and uh you know we're not partners now. Uh. Beat

805
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: that we haven't really touched on yet. But that's the

806
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: new platform. Yeah, well we go we go land on that. Yeah,

807
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: wean't get into that. Um you know that's uh, that's

808
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: something I'm doing. I have a new a new partner,

809
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: guy named Kendrick Ashton, who was my business partner, is

810
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: a really really great partner. And yeah, man, that's you know,

811
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: it haven't always seemed like it was a Corgi relationship.

812
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: Because business relationships in and stuff like that that happens.

813
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: That's part of life, you know what I mean, that's

814
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: a part of just doing business sometimes, So why do

815
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: they always fall apart? Though? Why would? And I'm just

816
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I just want to understand it. You can't go in

817
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: business and have so many business partners and have so

818
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: many partners, but the relationships don't last. Why. I think

819
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: A lot of it is communication, and a lot of

820
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: it is the outside noises. I'm gonna tell you me,

821
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: you and eight could be eight one, but it ain't us.

822
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: If the people getting his it's the people getting in

823
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: my ear. The people always on the outside that's getting

824
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: in your ear. It's always somebody that's outside. They want

825
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: to try to infiltrate their way in the room. And

826
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: the way they do that sometimes it is by going

827
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: to cause distinction amongst everybody else. You understand what I'm saying.

828
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: I've seen it all day. So I think as long

829
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: as you keep your circle tight, man, I think that's

830
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: how you prevent because outside influence and make you think

831
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: you ain't getting what you deserve. Straight up, outside influence

832
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: and come along and be like well ship, I know,

833
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: a motherfucker getting more than what you getting, or a

834
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: motherfucker getting more popularity do this or doing that. It's

835
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: always the outside influence who manages to always infiltrate and

836
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: make you start thinking that you're you know, you're not

837
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: getting your just do. It's just it just happens and ship,

838
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then sometimes that leads to motherfucking frustration

839
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and irritation between motherfucker's because now you're always thinking like, huh, yeah,

840
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: I know, motherfucking gold chain on that. Motherfucker got a

841
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: gold chain on You got a nice diamond watch on them,

842
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: but I ain't got no diamond watch on them. It's

843
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: just always it's always a motherfucker. I don't give a

844
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: funk who it is. It's always motherfucker who always watching

845
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: what the next motherfucker got. It's usually a motherfucker that

846
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: don't have ship. If you ever noticed, and ain't never

847
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: no dude they're doing better, y'all. It's always a guy

848
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: that's doing work. The question because you didn't have you

849
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: have four partners doing your the beginning to now, and

850
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: every time you lose a partner, do you lose the

851
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: friendship and all that with it. I mean, I mean

852
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: it's just a rough business. I know that. But if

853
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: everybody be one hunted, the business state one hunting. That's

854
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: why communication is important. Shoot me, I ain't gonna cheat

855
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: you because I'm gonna tell you what happened. And I

856
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: probably I don't even know much about this, but I

857
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: beg you. I'm willing to bet that those partners that

858
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: left you early on probably want to start their own

859
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: try to start their own stuff up. They were the

860
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: ones who started XXL magazine. It was a couple of

861
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: years later, but that's what I'm saying. That's how it

862
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: always els. You know, well, I'm gonna go start think

863
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: even worse, something like you know, so, um they online.

864
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too There ain't too many magazines,

865
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: it exists. Not everything is online now you know they're

866
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: not imprinting out. You know that the thing is and

867
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: that's what happens. You know, you get guys, but see

868
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: you move kind of high moved because I don't respond

869
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: to stuff like that. Somebody gonna do something, God bless them.

870
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep on doing me and I'm ignore it.

871
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: Outside lines noise, and that's what you kind of that's

872
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: what you did, you know, because what you did for

873
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: hip hop, no matter what nobody try to discredit you with,

874
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: you brought it up a left. Let's like, you can

875
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: honestly say that without the Source Magazine, hip hop may

876
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: not beat with the deals today because you brought a

877
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: light to it. Was no internet back then, people couldn't

878
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: go online. But you put it to another level because

879
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: you put it in front of people. Because of you,

880
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: people found out about like m c A. And that's

881
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: why I said in the beginning, it was even a

882
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: platform for us as artists to be in tuned on

883
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: other motherfucking artists. And with that, all ships so and

884
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: so got a record out. Let me check that ship out.

885
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: Oh they gave this motherfucker three and a half mics.

886
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: Let me check this record out. You can see the

887
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: latest ship motherfucker's interviewing and find out about the motherfucker

888
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: and all that type of ship. So for to be

889
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: an artist, we waited on the Source Magazine every month

890
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: for the new issue. So the Source Magazine pretty much

891
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: told you you need to step your game up. You

892
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: could go through the Source Magazine when you see a

893
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: motherfucker on that cover you knew that was the hottest

894
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: motherfuck at the moment. Then you could read the other

895
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: articles on where motherfucker's came from, how they got the deals,

896
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: where motherfucker's grew up, how they was this and that.

897
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can see motherfucking ads

898
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: about new ship that was coming out. All that type

899
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: of ship was in there. But don't forget. You know,

900
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: it was the magazine and hip hop music culture and politics,

901
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: so you know, we had the social and the political

902
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: ship running every magazine. We had the fashion you know,

903
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: we yeah, all big influence in the fashion, and I

904
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: did a couple of motherfucking fashion spreads in there for

905
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Pile Pile and all the type of sports we had.

906
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: I started the sports ship y'all. Y'all had the unsigned

907
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: height where you could you know a lot of motherfucker's

908
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: that became artists and ship you knew about them from

909
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: me because you knew they were unsigned artists. You could

910
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: read coming ex eminem Hona Noriega, David Banner, El Santana

911
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: to Electronica, hit Ball. I'm forgetting a few of them,

912
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: but they all you know, sad skills. They always in

913
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: unsigned height before they had their record deals, and we

914
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of those guys their deals. And you

915
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: know what's dope about that, bro, it's a real you know,

916
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: of course y'all was in the East coast, so but

917
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: it's a nice representation of people from all around the country.

918
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: You got the Midwest in there, you got the dirty dirty,

919
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: and there you got you know, you got all these

920
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: different people. You got a cat from Mississippi, you know,

921
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: David Banner, you know. So that's what it was, dope,

922
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's why people fun with y'all. I

923
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: think that's why people still fun with you to day.

924
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: By the way, Glass Malone topny say telling that, I said,

925
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: what's up? That's my nigger right there. Yeah, Jim alone

926
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: toping to tell you what was happening. Man. So now

927
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, we're moving on with the sorce. So I'm

928
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: trying to land in where we're at today, right, So

929
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: we're moving on with the source. Y'all go through all that.

930
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: You don't have business partnerships and then you have a

931
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: cool kind of act, your own thing that you've built

932
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: from the ground up. You have some motherfucker's from the

933
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: inside to try to take what you created from you

934
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about the walk out of the editorial staff

935
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Yeah, I mean basically, Um, you know

936
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back. I remember how we was

937
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: saying that there was these beasts going on with the

938
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: different artists, the iced teas and the Cypress Hills and

939
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: ship like that. You know, I didn't support that because

940
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it was based on the editors starting

941
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: to kind of like you know, feel themselves and you know,

942
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: people starting to get you know, thinking they were like

943
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the celebrities and going back and forth

944
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: with different artists on things, and like I wasn't with that,

945
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: so I would keep you know, going and telling these

946
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: guys like, you know, we can't do you know, we

947
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this type of ship and that. You know,

948
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: it was getting worse and worse, and different situations kept

949
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: popping up, and you know, these guys just weren't listening.

950
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: And one of them was my business partner that owned

951
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: a piece in the company that made it more difficult,

952
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, that type of thing. Um, So we were

953
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: already were kind of at odds where they were trying

954
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: to like sort of do the company the way they

955
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, you know, and uh so, um

956
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: at the around this time time is when um Penzino's

957
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: group gets signed to our CIA Records, that got an

958
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: album deal, and you know, we want to give them

959
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: a little article in the magazine. So I go down

960
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: to the editorial people and say, hey, you know they

961
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: got album deals coming out later this whatever, a couple

962
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: of months, whatever it is, you know, can we get

963
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: a little something? Oh? Man, fuck them, you know, we

964
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: don't sunk with them. It's just whack. And you know this,

965
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: And there was like some personal ship where you know,

966
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: they were mad at me. They would you know, mad

967
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: because they felt like they was just before they even

968
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: heard it right, right. And I kept trying a few times,

969
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: and finally it got to the point where I'm like,

970
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: this is my magazine. I'm just gonna put an article in.

971
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: And that's how that started. I put an article in.

972
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: I got an article in the magazine that the editors

973
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't know about when it came back from the printer,

974
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: and I went and showed it to him. Like a

975
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: couple of guys just went crazy and started this whole

976
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: cool I mean, like sent out this letter, five page

977
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: letter to everybody in the industry saying all kind of

978
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: crazy ship. Oh, Dave May's must resign. You know. He

979
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: an article about a group that he manages to try

980
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: to fire every last one of the other all this

981
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. They come to the office, they smoke

982
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: weed in the office, and this, that and the other,

983
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: and these guys are are a terrible blop up up

984
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship. It started all kinds of stuff

985
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: and then uh got people to sign a petition, you know,

986
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: to try to get me to step down. But yeah,

987
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: eventually I basically just replaced everybody in the source, you know,

988
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: on it got bigger than it ever was. And that's

989
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: what you have to do sometimes, you know, because they

990
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: already had they had personal vendetta's in your mind, and

991
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: people like that are destructive. They're very destructive. If you

992
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: don't watch him, if you let it slide, they fuck

993
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: your company up. So let's keep on going. We go go,

994
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: and I'm promise you we're gonna lead this source area

995
00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: to go through this new stuff. So y'all have beef,

996
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: which it's a beef that starts. A few bars get

997
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: exchanged between Eminem and ben Zino. Benzino put out a

998
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: lot of a record right this and Eminem and so

999
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: Eminem is an incredible artist. But I think a lot

1000
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: of points that ben Zino had were valid points at

1001
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: the time. They were, you know, he gets away with

1002
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: certain ship that black artists can't get away with doing,

1003
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So y'all get this thing

1004
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: and interscope and they decide to Okay, we're not gonna

1005
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: run the more ads in the magazine. Right. What was

1006
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: the feeling that, man, Because it seemed like that was

1007
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: just like that was some some major ship right there. Um.

1008
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean the ads were just the whole situation, just

1009
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: the whole situation, because I've never seen somebody to take

1010
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: them getting criticized so personal. It was like other people

1011
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: get other people. When you're an artist and you put

1012
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: your art on display, you go out there and put

1013
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: yourself out there, You're not just opening yourself up from

1014
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: the praise that you go garding from there, You're opening

1015
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: yourself up any criticism. We're doing this podcast, it might

1016
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: have a thousand lights on that motherfucker. It's always gonna

1017
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: be the one or two motherfucker's or that was some bullshit.

1018
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: I think it's one thing for the criticism but I

1019
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: think it's one thing when you have a personal issue

1020
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: with the way you feel about some situations, because you

1021
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: you're saying that you know, you know Eminem was able

1022
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: to get away with certain ship that you know regular

1023
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: artists couldn't pull. But ship. Look at who the funk

1024
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: he is. He was a big ass, motherfucking diamond selling

1025
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: fucking artists. You get me out the gate with that first.

1026
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: A lot of motherfucking artists on that status can get

1027
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: away with a lot of ship. You get me, and

1028
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: I just feel it. I mean it, Look at this ship,

1029
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: Kanye do as a fucking black artist, do you get

1030
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: me get away with a gang of ship? Motherfucker's on

1031
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: a normal page would not be funning, That's true. But

1032
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: but my thing here, But my thing is this though, Bro,

1033
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: how many artists did you see go try to shut

1034
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: down the whole magazine because somebody said something didn't like.

1035
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: You're always gonna have some criticism, And that was my thing.

1036
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: What about the president? Yea, because I don't try to

1037
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: shut your ship down, because shut the fucking ship down.

1038
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: Shut it down right now? You can't, of course, and

1039
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be able to have freedom of speech.

1040
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: But really, can you have freedom of speech when motherfucker's

1041
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: are in power here? Because this seems like that was

1042
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: just real personal with me because he wasn't the first

1043
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: artist that y'all had comments about, you know what I mean,

1044
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: The Mighty said some derogatory about and it didn't get

1045
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: to to that level, but when it was in, it

1046
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: seemed like it was just a real like a lot

1047
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: of personal ship behind that dog. Well, first of all,

1048
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: like you know, we did a lot to help Eminem

1049
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: in his career, you know, and helped blow him up.

1050
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: He was an unsigned hype before he got his record deal.

1051
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, we featured him an unsigned hype. Um, he's

1052
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: the first white person artist anything ever to be on

1053
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: the cover of The Source. You know, after ten plus

1054
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: years when he got a cover, he was the first

1055
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: white person ever on the cover. Um, he won Lyricist

1056
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: of the Year at the Source Awards. I believe in Oh,

1057
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: he's a rapping motherfucker. Dog. You can't dispute that he's

1058
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: a rapping motherfucker. So, you know, we really supported him

1059
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: for the first several years of his career. Um. The

1060
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: situation really you know, started around the time of the

1061
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: eight Mile movie. And you know that was when kind

1062
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: of like the media was going into a whole another

1063
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: level about eminem like, you know, he's the king of

1064
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: hip hop, he's the greatest artist of all times. This movie, this, that,

1065
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: and the other, that type of thing. I think that

1066
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: was the sentiment that kind of you know, Benzino was

1067
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: talking to me about and kind of got under his

1068
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: skin a little bit of feeling like, you know, this

1069
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: is just too much and this is kind of like

1070
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: reminded me of what happened with rock and roll and

1071
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Elvis and things like that, and we gotta be you know.

1072
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, he vented by making a little disrecord on

1073
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: a mixtape, and then, like you said, it just all

1074
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: of a sudden escalated like crazy. All kinds of ship

1075
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: was going on, you know behind that, and you know,

1076
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: one thing led to another. I mean it definitely got personal,

1077
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: which you know was not a good thing. But and

1078
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about right there. I don't think

1079
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: it was nothing wrong with him being upset or whatever

1080
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: like that, but I'm like, okay, now, you and even

1081
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: you see in other situations, if someone says something against

1082
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: that dude, he takes it really personal and I'm like

1083
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: you rich motherfucker just kicked back with that dude talking

1084
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: about do your thing because he's the one thing you

1085
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: can't not dispute with him a win and go get

1086
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: things about eminem as. He's a rapping motherfucker. He could

1087
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: rhyme his ass if he can rhyme, But it's a

1088
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other rhyming motherfucker's still You've got Xino Excel,

1089
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: you got rass cash dudes that rapped just as good

1090
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: as him, but never got the thing because he had

1091
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: a push. He was the you know a lot of

1092
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: people bought eminem albums that didn't necessarily funk with rap.

1093
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: A lot of them sales wasn't necessarily from the hip

1094
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: hop community. You get what I'm saying. So we get that.

1095
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: My main question, what that is you get in the scope?

1096
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: That's because he started paysing to that side. When Emine

1097
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: Them first came out to me, he was a rack.

1098
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: He was rapping. You know, I'm slim shady and that

1099
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: type of ship. When you start doing records about niggas

1100
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: killing themselves over you and ship like that, you're crossing

1101
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: over to a different side. Okay, So of course those

1102
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: other motherfucker. You don't think motherfucker's outside of hip hop

1103
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: start gravitating to a motherfucker was ready to commit suicide

1104
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: over nigger something. That's a whole bunch of you get me.

1105
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: That's some other side. But another part of that is,

1106
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: like you know, because they try to say that like

1107
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: the eminem made hip hop bigger by bringing in a

1108
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: new audience. And you know, my thing is, you know,

1109
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: any rapper before them, all the black artists that went platinum,

1110
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: multi platinum, you know, the majority of their audience was

1111
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: white consumers just run d MC all the way up.

1112
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: So that wasn't like a new thing, you know, for

1113
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, all these white people to

1114
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: be buying hip hop, you know what I mean. So,

1115
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: but like you said, in my opinion, you ain't listening

1116
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: to black hip hop artists talk about how motherfucker's stalking

1117
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: them and ready to kill him and kidnap them over

1118
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: ship and ready to drive cars off of bridges in

1119
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: the rain because you don't recognize them as being a

1120
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: fucking fan. You don't getcause to do that type of ship.

1121
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: When you connect with that type of motherfucker. It's some

1122
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: motherfucker's sitting up really like that. That's when you start

1123
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: reaching a different side. So I get what you're saying.

1124
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: It's cool to have your opinion about, but god damn,

1125
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: you get me. Like you you're feeling like, Okay, this

1126
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: motherfucker taking our art form. He's taken on. But like

1127
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: you said, that motherfucker rap like a motherfucker. You know,

1128
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: there was no disputing that at first. There was no

1129
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: problem at first, you get me, And a lot of

1130
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: motherfucker's gravitated to him because Dr dre stepped in. Oh yeah,

1131
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: I member. Before Dre stepped in, he had ship that

1132
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: was mediocre. When Drake came in and gave him the

1133
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: two songs, it took him there straight up. So I

1134
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: get it. You can have that opinion, but like you said,

1135
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: it's personal because I don't think a lot of people

1136
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: were looking at it to where that's what media is

1137
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: gonna do. Though, media is gonna go, he's the great

1138
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: white hope, He's here to save hip hop. They don't

1139
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: like hip hop anyway, so why not picks some motherfuck

1140
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: off and go the white boy is here to save

1141
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: hip hop? Of course, And you know the thing, you know,

1142
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I was working for a publishing company is A and

1143
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: R one time, and I was working to coming. I

1144
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: was working for was based in London, So I'm shooting

1145
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: up there listening to the nineteen year old son tell

1146
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: me about hip hop, and he tell we had dinner

1147
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: one day he said, well, Eminem saved hip hop, and

1148
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fund are you talking about? Like,

1149
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: you know these says hip hop? So fuck Chuck D

1150
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: and Fun, Public Enemy and care as one and all

1151
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: these other people. Is Eminem. He you you should say

1152
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: he brought it to your attention. That was the first one.

1153
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: Your motherfucker's gonna how to speak still to speak, You

1154
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: have to ask it who the greatest of all time?

1155
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: And they're gonna say some ship like that, especially when

1156
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: they when they don't come from your official era. That's

1157
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you get all this advertising money,

1158
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: and other people started following suit. Other record companies started

1159
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of following suit because they didn't want to look

1160
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: like they was going against because then the scope at

1161
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: that time was the ship. There was the machine. They

1162
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: had everything over there. I mean Universal Music Group, you know,

1163
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: on Interscope, on Jam, on Universal Records. They had maybe

1164
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: seventy eight of the market. So but you know another

1165
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: thing about that is, you know, at this time, you know,

1166
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: the sources getting advertising dollars from so many types of companies, cars,

1167
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: soft drink, sneakers, fast food, so it didn't matter. Advertising

1168
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: was a small amount, so you weren't tripping. So that's

1169
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: why he was able to react. What he did was

1170
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: like fun, damn right, it didn't that. That didn't mean nothing,

1171
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: you know. And so you know, um, I managed Glasses

1172
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: Malone and he's on club out for the other night.

1173
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: He's in the room and we didn't go going through

1174
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: the detail. I guess Royce was in feelings because you

1175
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: was in there y'all having the cordial conversation, and I

1176
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: guess he kicked you out to kick you off the

1177
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: stage whatever. Right, because of that, man, all that stuff

1178
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: is still going on to this day. Is still that

1179
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: much animosity and resentment. I mean, not on my end,

1180
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have any animosity or about It's

1181
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: not obviously not you, you know the other twenty other people. Yeah,

1182
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that was just I don't know,

1183
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: he just I said something that he took in the

1184
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: fence and he started, you know, talking a bunch of

1185
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: stuff and then he basically just hung the phone up

1186
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: on me, you know, on clubhouse, cutting me off talking

1187
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: after he cutting me off. Yeah, that's a whole of

1188
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: the conversation. You know, I don't care about it. We

1189
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: get off of you something I really wanted to do.

1190
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how I got into that

1191
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: room that night. But man, you're launched the podcast networking.

1192
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: No sex thing is bad advertising. That ship was everywhere.

1193
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, man, we could do an

1194
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: episode here talking about a cure for AIDS, talking about

1195
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: a guaranteed cure for cancer and talk about piece and

1196
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: all that ship. That ship won't get no attention. But

1197
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: if we got somebody here talking about who got they here?

1198
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: Bust that whose wife got plugged? Man, it's gonna be

1199
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: all over the place. So sometimes you know, it's like, hey,

1200
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: it's what it is, man, So let's think about this. Man,

1201
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: You've already accomplished something that was like you know, that's

1202
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna go down to history. The Source magazine will be

1203
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: remembered two hundred years from now. It's gonna be spoken

1204
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: when they look they gonna do classes up in Harvard

1205
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: Yale and all that or wherever they do from school

1206
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: and how they they're doing school in the future. They

1207
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: go talk about it. Right now, you got your new

1208
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: venture man that you launch it. Man, you jumped in

1209
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: the podcast game Man. You have a podcast network. Yeah. Yeah,

1210
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: it's called break Beat, um and uh it's uh hip

1211
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: hop podcast network. Right now, we have eight different podcasts

1212
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: going on different types of podcasts. So we're doing something

1213
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: that are you know, visual talk discussion format type podcasts,

1214
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: sort of like you know these That's what we're doing.

1215
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: But we're also doing, um, you know, more of the

1216
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: journalistic um, you know, narrative storytelling, produced style of podcasts. Um.

1217
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: You know. So, so you're doing scripted stuff over there too,

1218
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: that's dope. I'm working on one right now. He's that

1219
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: they deemed to actually go be in They don't know

1220
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: what ship, but they go be in it, you know.

1221
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, um so yeah, I mean, so, I got

1222
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: like a couple of hosts that I think are amazing.

1223
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: One is, um, Don't call Me White Girl. She's from Philly.

1224
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: That's our first podcast. Some of y'all know her, but

1225
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: most people know about why you're being weird of me?

1226
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: You know. Actually, yeah, I'm the whole girl. Yeah all right,

1227
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: so yes, she started all that, and she was on

1228
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of Game last year as a

1229
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 1: co host with Gilly and Wallow for a few months,

1230
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: and she was killing it on there. She's just super

1231
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: funny but super smart. I think she's gonna be one

1232
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: of the most successful kind of female hosts and talent

1233
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: in the game and not too long. So I call

1234
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: her like one of my unsigned hypes of breakbeat. You know,

1235
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: podcasting is an industry that you know, there's a lot

1236
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: of you know, interesting things going on, but it's a

1237
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: place where you know, new talent can be discovered, new voices,

1238
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: new perspectives. UM. Podcast network is kind of like the

1239
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: digital magazine that everybody has been trying to figure out

1240
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: how to do for years. You know, you hear that

1241
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: word term digital magazine, but it's never you know, we've

1242
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: never read a digital magazine. But a podcast network has

1243
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: all the different sections you know again, the music, the fashion,

1244
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: the politics, health, you know, sports. You know, we'll be

1245
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: covering all all of these things. Um bunchers with that

1246
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: hip hop style perspective point of view. Um. You know,

1247
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: um funny Marco is the other one I would call

1248
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: like my unsigned hype most of you you know, you

1249
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: guys probably He's funny as shit, and I just think

1250
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: he has a certain you know, comedic uh style that

1251
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: can be brought into the podcast world. And I think

1252
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna get even bigger. We just started shooting his

1253
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: podcast in Atlanta last week. White Girl, Don't Call Me

1254
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: White Girl has been out already. Now that's on our YouTube. Um,

1255
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: you can check out the first few episodes of her show.

1256
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Is doing really really well. Um. You know, I'm coming

1257
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: with my podcast today May show. I'm gonna be I'm

1258
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: gonna be recording that in Chicago every week starting um

1259
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: like next month. Um, you know, just me and conversations

1260
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: with you know, different influential people from from the culture. Um,

1261
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, giving people a chance to hear more of

1262
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: my point of view on things, more of my experiences.

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: You know. Even doing this like here tonight and the

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: things I'm doing now is somewhat new for me. I

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: was always like more of a behind the scenes type

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: of person. I didn't really want to get the you know,

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: the attention or the limelight. You know. I was just

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: about building the business. Um. But you know, it's a

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: different world now. UM, I feel like, you know, I

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: have an important story of what I've done that needs

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: to be known and documented in the past, but also

1272
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: you know, an important voice that I think you know,

1273
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: people will you know benefit or enjoy hearing in a

1274
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: lot of different you know ways through the podcast launch

1275
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: as well. Um. Then you know, on the scripted side,

1276
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the two projects we have

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: going so far. UM. One is, uh, the story of

1278
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: Unsigned Hype column and the Source and It's dope. Um.

1279
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: That's an eight part series. We will tell you know,

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: the whole back story of the unsigned hypeowers created, how

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: we found these different artists, how they got their record deals,

1282
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: all the people that was working on those situations. That's

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: coming out great. And then the other one, UM, is

1284
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: the Larry Hoover story. You know, we're doing his life

1285
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: story as a ten part series. Now. This is the

1286
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: first time that the family has ever participated in the

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: telling of his story, so it's not gonna be one

1288
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: of the you know, same old story about Larry Hoover

1289
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: that you have ever gotten out to have conversations with.

1290
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: Larry used to call my house. Really if you back in, Uh,

1291
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: probably about to call me at my house for those

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: conversations like new his son. Yeah, it's back when I

1293
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: was trying to start their little clothing line they had

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: get prisoner. Yes, so yeah, I used to talk to

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: him all the time. He used to just call me

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: and we would have this conversations. Good conversations, right, that's

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: that's that's dope, man, because what they did to him

1298
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: as a as a travesty man, it's like, um, and

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: I think what our government does sometimes man, people that

1300
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: are influential, because see, I don't think he got put

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: in jail for actual crimes. I think he got put

1302
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: it sent away for the influence that he has because

1303
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: and in the politics, I mean, he's the only person

1304
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: in our culture, you know, in the urban culture, any

1305
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: kind of you know, black gangster type figure that's ever

1306
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: really been serious about politics. They don't want you to

1307
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: know about about that. What he was doing that twenty

1308
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: first century and vote, you were making an impact out

1309
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: there like politically, and it was it was growing and

1310
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, he definitely man because you know,

1311
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: you kind of need um. I truly believe if he

1312
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: was out a lot of this stuff because you can't

1313
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: prevent a hundred percent of everything. But I think if

1314
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: he was out, he has enough respect that some of

1315
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: the stuff that's happened in Chicago wouldn't be happening. Yeah,

1316
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: I think I think it would be a positive thing.

1317
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: And it would definitely you know, I've got to know

1318
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: his family really well, and um, you know, he deserves

1319
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: to be out and for the time with his family.

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01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: So hopefully what we're doing and telling his story in

1321
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: a really accurate, in depth way like we're doing, you know,

1322
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna contribute to that. Um. Yeah, you get principle.

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they won't let him out. I mean, he

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01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: has every legal right to be out now. You know,

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: he's qualified on a few different basis with reform laws

1326
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: that have a lot of people on his case, all

1327
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: are out and you know they've kept him, you know,

1328
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: because they have a vendetta really and where he's where

1329
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: he's based at James, it's like on the inside of

1330
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: a mountains some ship like that in Colorado super Max. Yeah,

1331
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: he's like instead of and uh, the UNI bomber. I

1332
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: was out there. I didn't get this to go in,

1333
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: but I was out there a couple of months ago

1334
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: with his family when they were, and that gives you

1335
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: an idea, man, of what they think about him. Man,

1336
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,879
Speaker 1: they put him in the super Max with El Chapo

1337
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: and the Union Bomber. They're saying he's a threat because

1338
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: he can possibly point those guys in the direction that

1339
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: they need to go in and see. Let's what I

1340
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: tell people a lot of times from at the time.

1341
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: There's no King of l A, ain't no shot called

1342
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: right here. Motherfucker's don't give a funk. They don't respect

1343
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: the motherfucker right. But maybe if it was that one

1344
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: person everybody was just scared of funk up ship wouldn't

1345
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: be the way it is. You know, you always have

1346
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: to have somebody's willing to that's um, not only feared

1347
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: man love, but respected, you know what I mean. Because

1348
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: it's a difference. Somebody's scared of you, they's gonna kill you,

1349
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: straight up. You know, you get killed by somebody, somebody

1350
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: scared of you. Um, when people respect you, it's a

1351
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: whole different thing, you know. And I think he has

1352
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: the respect to where a lot of this stuff wouldn't

1353
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: be happening going down, Um, And I think that's dope

1354
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: that you're doing that. Man. So how many how many

1355
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: shows that you have total now on the network to

1356
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: launch it off, So we'll be looking for more. We're

1357
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: already playing on the next next round. Sounds good? Yeah yeah.

1358
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: Can you check us out on all the podcasts apps

1359
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: on a break beat Media YouTube and you know our

1360
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: website breakbeat media dot com. We got this show, Trapping Anonymous.

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01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to forget about that. Trapping Anonymous is

1362
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: a dope ass show. Yeah, it was actually out. He

1363
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: was doing it independently for a while as an audio

1364
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: podcast and it got picked up by title. Yeah. I

1365
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: remember that kid. I actually tried to sign him when

1366
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: he first Like this is when I was young with

1367
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: Digital Soapbox. It was one of the most like it

1368
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: was some dope ship man, it was some real dope ships, crazy,

1369
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: it's crazy interviews. And so now now we made a

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: visual version with him. Yeah, you know you blur out

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01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: the person's face and voice. It was Trapping Anonymous. He

1372
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: really talking to motherfucker? Was this getting it in? And

1373
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: I heard that ship? I was like, what the hell

1374
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: was this ship? I'm saying, I'm gonna try to see

1375
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna find it. Is he released it? Yeah? Yeah,

1376
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: not not the new ones we're gonna release, you know,

1377
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: probably also in the next few weeks that's coming. Because

1378
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: he's from New York, right, Yeah, because I know he

1379
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: it was some other ship. But yeah, he does. He

1380
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: does some good ship. I'm glad you picked him up, man,

1381
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: and if you yeah, we go, like, definitely we can

1382
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: have him on here anytime. He's more than welcome to though.

1383
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: He's more than welcome to come on here. You're like him, yeah, Chris, Yeah,

1384
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: you're like him. Man. So as far as your podcast network,

1385
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: are you guys doing independently? Are you partnered up with

1386
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: some people? It's it's independent. Um. I have you know

1387
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: the one business partner I think I mentioned from DC

1388
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: my man, his name is Kendrick Ashton. Um, he and

1389
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: our partners. We have some strategic partners. Uh this company

1390
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: named DAX that's owned by Global Media in UK taxes.

1391
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah THATX is dope nipped him. Yep, yep. They do uh,

1392
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, audio advertising sales. So they're helping us bringing

1393
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: all the answers and ads on the podcast on the

1394
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: audio side. And the pr X is also a partner

1395
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: of PRX is a really well respected podcast publisher. They

1396
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: got another dope podcast is over there to where they

1397
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: go talk to the brothers in jail and they let

1398
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: them tell their stories. They actually had her co host

1399
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: for the longest. James was a guy that was locked

1400
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: up and they was doing this show like remotely and

1401
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: he was her co host and they tell different people

1402
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: it's locked up and I forget the name of the podcast.

1403
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: I could remember, Yeah, I can't remember it, man, But

1404
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: it's a dope podcast, man, And it's so much That's

1405
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: the thing about the audio. That's why I'm so like,

1406
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to hear earlier, I

1407
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: was telling Brown leading Mike's where they had because I'm

1408
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: really big on sound because I have to remind people

1409
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: first and foremost we are a podcast. The video stuff

1410
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: is cool, but we're a podcast. You know. We got

1411
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of truck drivers. Shout out to my truck

1412
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: drivers out there that's listening to the show driving down

1413
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: those freeways bringing us to step across the country. We

1414
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: get a lot of love from the trucks drivers, man.

1415
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: From the truckers, you know, people in their cars, people

1416
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: that people who just just stuck period and their cars,

1417
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: the vehicles. The prisoner tell me like man, I listened

1418
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: to y'all all the time. Yeah, yeah, shot shot to flip. Yeah,

1419
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: we got a guy. We actually got some truckers. It's

1420
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: about to start putting our logos on the side of

1421
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: things like I'm talking about, like on the house. They're

1422
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: just showing love. Man. And that's the great thing about communication.

1423
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: That goes back to communication to have a message, you know,

1424
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: like now Like back then, it wasn't cool for the CEO,

1425
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: for the boss to have, you know, to be in front.

1426
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: But now with this right now, you almost have to

1427
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: because you have a message. You gotta get out and

1428
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: can't nobody tell you a story better than you can't home.

1429
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: But right you know you feel what I'm saying. No

1430
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: Nona be out here. Yeah. So are you guys doing anything? Um,

1431
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: Like as far as your podcast, you guys got people

1432
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: from all around the country now yeah, yeah, I mean

1433
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: I got two podcasts go on in Chicago, I got

1434
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: one in Philly to New York, one in Atlanta, and uh,

1435
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm out here the next couple of days trying to

1436
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: close up another situation out here. So I have one

1437
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: or two shows going in l A soon as well.

1438
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, Man, anything that we can do

1439
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: to blop you man with that, you know going on,

1440
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: you partnered up with some good people. Mainy thing we

1441
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: can do to help Man, You're friends. So yeah, and

1442
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, IVE been watching what you

1443
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: guys have been doing with this show and what you

1444
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: were doing with the network and everything like that. So

1445
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got a chance to connect the show.

1446
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: We'll we'll find some things we can do together going forward. No,

1447
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: for sure, Man, for sure. You know one of the

1448
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: things I want to ask you, Man, we're doing this

1449
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: podcast network. Your last project, man, was pretty big. Everything

1450
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: you've done has pretty much been successful. You understand what

1451
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean. Do you ever feel any pressure going into

1452
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: this man? Like, Man, I'm gonnadu to start the source Man,

1453
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: this podcast, we gotta crack off. I mean there's a

1454
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: little bit, but I I just you know, I'm just

1455
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: I just believe in what I've been doing. You know,

1456
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: I've always believed in you know, my my vision for

1457
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: these companies that I've been building, but this is one that, um,

1458
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like this can be bigger

1459
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: than anything that I've ever done before. I just think

1460
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, hip hop is bigger than

1461
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: it's ever been. You know, it's now spans three generations. Um.

1462
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: So the size of the audience globally everywhere is enormous. Um.

1463
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're at this kind of you know point

1464
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: in the media business where like the playing field is

1465
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of leveled. You know, these big companies don't have

1466
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 1: the kind of strategic advantages that they once did. Um.

1467
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of you know, we have

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Speaker 1: a technology side to break Beat that we've been developing,

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Speaker 1: and so next year, you know, we'll planned to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, release some you know technology things, great beat

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01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: app that kind of situation. You know, it's part of

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Speaker 1: the future plans growth of the company as well. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the podcast network is really the building block. Um.

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Speaker 1: But podcasting, it's just it's such a such a powerful

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Speaker 1: medium right now. I mean it's it's the highest advertising

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Speaker 1: rates of any form of media right now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it combines, like, you know, so many different things. I

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Speaker 1: just think it has a a big future and a

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Speaker 1: big upside because a lot of people, you know, still

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Speaker 1: aren't regular podcast consumers. So yeah, and even if they

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01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: don't think they are, they are. It's rolling into it

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Speaker 1: because um, you know, one thing I had to really

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Speaker 1: because I've been doing this for so long. I was

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Speaker 1: really just like against those things at first, the cameras

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I wanted to keep it all audios.

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Speaker 1: So the first fifteen episode is against the chronicles. As

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Speaker 1: far as a visual, it ain't no visual. It was

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Speaker 1: all audio, you know what I mean. They still some

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Speaker 1: of our most listened to episodes, but I think now

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Speaker 1: as we deal with this generation, that more visible advent

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Speaker 1: of these things right here the video was, you know,

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Speaker 1: the video was introducing a lot more people because I

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01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: was just kind of checking out. One day, I was

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Speaker 1: messed around with the fans on YouTube and I kept

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01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: dude inbox men and said, Man, how come y'all always

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Speaker 1: just released five minute clips to the show. I want

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Speaker 1: to listen the whole thing, I said. I've been for

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Speaker 1: a few years and you always just put out five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Why don't y'all do the whole show? I said, Bro,

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Speaker 1: I sent them the link to Apple. I said, you

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01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: can go listen to all these in futh right there.

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: He didn't know nothing about those, but that's what I'm saying.

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01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: So you think about it this like it's you have

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01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: to put it out on all fourmats now or you

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: may miss something. Man, So what's the u r L

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Speaker 1: to the website to break the beats man media dot com. Yeah,

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01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: and man, for all those fans out there, don't be

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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: sending my man to know no um no trashy links

1509
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: man in your podcast. Make sure they're tight for sending

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: this to dude the invented the source. Looking. We're looking man,

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: looking for new shows, new talent, you know what I mean? Um?

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, please you know at what we're doing and

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Speaker 1: you know, let us know what what what you got

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Speaker 1: going on? Um, I mean, we're not doing music per

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Speaker 1: se yet, as you guys know, it's hard. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to incorporate music in the podcasting

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Speaker 1: because you don't have the licensing you know, in the the place. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I'm looking at different ways. You know

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Speaker 1: that we will incorporate music obviously. We have guests, you know,

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Speaker 1: we will have shows. You know. Funny Marco's got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of you know, different artists that are guests on

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Speaker 1: his show, and we're about to start bringing in some

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Speaker 1: guests for Don't Call Me White Girl and things like that,

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Speaker 1: and those would be platforms where you know new artists,

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: even my show. You know, I'm gonna try to figure

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Speaker 1: out how I can highlight up and coming talent um

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Speaker 1: you know, within my podcast. I think that would be dope. Man. Well, man,

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate you having you on here. Man, and man,

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Speaker 1: you come back anytime though, when you come back anytime, man,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, dope conversation. Man. But that's it, man,

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: it's another episode a Gangster chronicles man in um. Yeah, yea.

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Speaker 1: We ended like that, man, and I'm glad to be hell. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had a hyagus. I want to tell y'all we're

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Speaker 1: back on hiatus. So we're back off hiatus, so y'all

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Speaker 1: can stay at my inbox. We are back on. Like

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Speaker 1: we can't take a break. We had to take a break, y'all.

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Speaker 1: People stop worrying, stop wondering. I was getting them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had a motherucker cussed me out. He said, Man,

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: still you suck him up. Man. They always have me

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01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: like they know you're sucking up. Dog. I got this

1541
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: one dude, man shot. I ain't gonna put his name

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01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: out there so everybody blow him up. But he's one

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01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: of those fans that from the very beginning he kind

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Speaker 1: of went with me. Then when we went through the split,

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01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: he had his opinions about this stuff, and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: you actually don't. You want a good job, man, keep

1547
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 1: it going. But then if something happened still, you gotta

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01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: tighten that shut up, tell whoever that he was breathing

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01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: on the microphone, and cut that ship out. So I'd

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01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: like to call him the solid engineer. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: my dude, man, but we out of here. Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: that concludes another episod older the gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: Be sure to download the i Heart app and subscribe

1554
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: to The Gangster Chronicles podcast. For Apple users, find a

1555
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: purple mic on the front of your screen, subscribe to

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: the show, leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles podcast and Norman Steve James McDonald, Aran

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: m c A. Tyler. Our visual media director is Brian White,

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: and our audio editors Taylor Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is

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01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Media Network in the Black

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01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network. For more podcast from my Heart Radio,

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01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: visit the i Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: you're listen to your podcasts. So He's rushing