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Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to Retfresh. This is this

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Speaker 1: is the peak excitement for this whole entire season for

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Speaker 1: Rough Fresh. In my opinion, this is the November fifth

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Speaker 1: through November twelfth episode. This is the week when everyone

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Speaker 1: schedules their vacation. This is when people are doing all

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Speaker 1: days since this is when some potential chaos that can

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Speaker 1: so my challenge for you guys this week is to

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Speaker 1: go back and reflect on last year and maybe you

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Speaker 1: made a mistake, Maybe you didn't grind through this time

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Speaker 1: you came up with the excuses, or maybe everything came

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Speaker 1: I think this week the challenge is to realize the

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Speaker 1: only thing you need to beat is yourself and your

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Speaker 1: own thought process to have success this week. And that

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Speaker 1: might be different for everyone. Maybe you're waiting on a

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Speaker 1: family or friends that are in from the area and

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Speaker 1: you want to make sure you are a good host

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Speaker 1: or a good friend or a good family member and

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Speaker 1: encourage people and have a great time this is the

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Speaker 1: week we've been waiting for all year. Once this week

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be waiting for fifty one weeks later from today.

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot of really great guests this week.

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Speaker 1: We have Grant Watson, who shot a really big deer

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Speaker 1: in Iowa. We have Chris West from Pennsylvania who's headed

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Speaker 1: We have Jared Vanheast who tagged a Michigan buck. We

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Speaker 1: that's what we have this week. As you know, Roughresh

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Speaker 1: off with Grant Watson. Here we go. Good luck this week,

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Speaker 1: have fun, and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: First up on the line, we have Grant Watson. Man,

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Speaker 1: you just killed hammer in Iowa. How does it feel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a town bittersweet because part of me is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go from having the worst season ever

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Speaker 2: Love it, love it well.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations once again, Grant, good luck the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you, Jake.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we have shared with the Habitat podcast who

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Speaker 2: How's it feel, man, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Buddy, it feels great.

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Speaker 6: It feels great to have a tag notched and you know,

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Speaker 4: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful. And so I know you were using a decoy.

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Speaker 1: I've never been I've never been brave enough to use one.

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Speaker 6: Well, I haven't been brave enough either until this time.

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Speaker 6: So knowing that I grun him in, he come in

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Speaker 4: That was awesome, and he didn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 6: But I just I couldn't believe hauling in that decoy

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Speaker 6: It sucked this deer in for sure. When he first

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Speaker 1: It's one of those deals where I like your neighbor.

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Speaker 1: He's out of his saddle and he's bringing that thing

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Speaker 4: That's a thank you, thank you.

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00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 6: I ended up buying a decoy when I got home

437
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 6: that night, and it's on my you know, it's in

438
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 6: my truck ready for Iowa tomorrow.

439
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 4: And I dropped my buddy's back off.

440
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 6: But I guess, I mean, the open chimber in my

441
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 6: brain is kind of like a field, right right, They

442
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 6: can see forever, there's no cover. That's where you normally

443
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 6: would use a decoy, at least what I've seen, so

444
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,360
Speaker 6: in my brain it made sense to try. Now, it's

445
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 6: a long hike and you got to haul this thing

446
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 6: all the way in on your back and everything else,

447
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 6: but uh, it ended up working, man and one exactly.

448
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: I love that man.

449
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: Congratulations, So thank you. You know we talked here. You're

450
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 1: you're packing your bags and going from Michigan Iowa. That's

451
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: pretty darn awesome looking here in the future. And based

452
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: off of the activity you've been seeing, what is top

453
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: of mind? What is your strategy because obviously you're traveling there,

454
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: so you have a limited time to hopefully connect with

455
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: the buck. What is top of mind to make the

456
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: most out of your trip to Iowa. And this could

457
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: be relatable for anyone that's going from Pennsylvania to Ohio

458
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: or Alabama to Illinois.

459
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, great, great question. I've been thinking about that quite

460
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 6: a bit. You know, here in Michigan, things have been

461
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 6: hit or miss over the last couple of days. Yesterday

462
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 6: morning was great. Other than that, it's been a little

463
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 6: bit hit or miss. I think I know some of

464
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 6: the bucks are lockedown doors already. I've seen videos from

465
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 6: my buddies in Iowa Andy's out there right now and

466
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 6: he's not seeing a ton of movement.

467
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 4: It's pretty slow.

468
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 6: Our buddy Aaron's out there, so it's just about to

469
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 6: kick off.

470
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 4: I believe out.

471
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 6: There, and I'm sure different farms are different stuff going on,

472
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 6: right But my strategy is to get out there, cover

473
00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 6: a ton of ground day one, day two, and really

474
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 6: find beat down scrapes, hot sign areas. I know this

475
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 6: is all typical stuff, but when you have a lot

476
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 6: of ground to cover and and there's no set stands,

477
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 6: there's no you know, real food plot.

478
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go there and I'm gonna burn rubber

479
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 4: on the boots and the.

480
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 6: Bike and get four or five spots set up, get

481
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 6: some cameras out, and then the weather looks to be

482
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 6: pretty good, so I'm gonna just can't see what happens.

483
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 6: You'll probably hunt long into the afternoon, if not all day,

484
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 6: and then obviously be out there for the eating.

485
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you're when you're burning burning boot leather here,

486
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: are you going into thicker areas or is it more

487
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: edge exterior type? And I'm just kind of picturing what

488
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: the farm may look like in Iowa, but picturing there's

489
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: probably some thick draws or some thicker parts of the timber.

490
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Are you going in there and looking around and poking around?

491
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: Is that your plan?

492
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going full aggressive.

493
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, I think if it was Michigan, i'd hold back,

494
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 6: but different pressure set up out there with a deer.

495
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 6: I'm going till I bump deer, till I see what

496
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 6: I want to see, and you know, hoping that the

497
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 6: mindset of that buck this time of year, I'll be

498
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 6: easily forgettable or at least partly forgettable for a little while,

499
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 6: so I can get back in there once I see

500
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 6: what I want to see.

501
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: Yep.

502
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: Yes, some of those bucks are starting to have that

503
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: crazy look in their eye. I like, I've gotten some

504
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: videos and I'm like, oh, that dude is he's feeling it.

505
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: He's not as careful as maybe as what it would

506
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: have been two weeks ago. And so I think that's

507
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: a really great piece of advice for someone that doesn't

508
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: have an inventory or intel and don't really know where

509
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: to necessarily start, and you don't want to burn those days,

510
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: these like most precious days of the entire season. If

511
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: you're four hundred yards out of the game and you

512
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: just never know what's going to happen. So as far

513
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: as you know, looking for scrapes, looking for hot sign

514
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: looking for rubs, what's going to get you most excited

515
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, I have four sets on this

516
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: huge farm. I'm going to hang us at here. What

517
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: what's kind of your mental checklist?

518
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 6: I think if I find a draw that is thick

519
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 6: at the top of the draw, like real thick, and

520
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 6: there's food maybe up top on a field, some crops

521
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 6: or something like that, and then I'll have, you know,

522
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 6: some scrapes around it or some real heavy trails I

523
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 6: go into it or come out of it, that's gonna

524
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 6: be what I'm looking for.

525
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: That's gonna be excitement.

526
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 6: I want to see dose and I want to see

527
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 6: their betting area, and it has to be thick, you know.

528
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 6: And I don't care where you are these these deer

529
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 6: like thick cover in daylight.

530
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: So that's that's what I'm looking for.

531
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: I like it.

532
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 1: So you're are you ringing rattling Antler's decoys and grunk call?

533
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: Are you going the full trifecta hat trick bag of tricks?

534
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sir, I'm begging the decoy. I'm a decoy guy.

535
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna try it.

536
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'll try it like first night

537
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 6: or anything, or don't know if i'll hunt first night,

538
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna definitely bring that the antlers, the grunt tube.

539
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: I haven't had a lot of luck with a can call,

540
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: but that's gonna be in.

541
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 6: The pack, you know, and then obviously some snacks so

542
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 6: I can hang out for a while.

543
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I've been asking folks, because this is the

544
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: time when people are logging me most hours in a

545
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: tree stand. Do you have any tips of advice to

546
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: say mentally sharp or to pass the time, because realistically,

547
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: you got to be in the stand this time of

548
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: year to have a chance. But people can start making excuses.

549
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: I gotta get this done, and maybe you do or

550
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: maybe you don't, or my win, my wins. This not

551
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: quite right. I need to get down, and I think

552
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's just like I want to

553
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: move because I'm bored and maybe I'm projecting here.

554
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 6: No, I mean I love hearing this because I got

555
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 6: to get this out of my brain right like you can't.

556
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 6: You can't have that in your brain this time of year.

557
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to have a thermost of coffee. I always

558
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 6: have a little thermost that I covered in you know,

559
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 6: camo tape.

560
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: I always have that.

561
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have some crustable sandwiches, that's kind of my goal,

562
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 6: and some just simple stuff, right, and then yeah, that's

563
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 6: that's really Yeah.

564
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm playing on.

565
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 6: H sitting long and just knowing that it's hours of

566
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 6: boredom interrupted by what thirty seconds, the whole reason you're there.

567
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't care if it's if it's raining,

568
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 6: I have a tree standing umbrella, you know whatever, and

569
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 6: rain gear, whatever it takes. I'm going solo. So it's

570
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 6: just me and the woods, and I'm gonna make it

571
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: happen and give it my all. So you take six

572
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 6: years to get this tag. Yeah, I sleep in, I'm

573
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 6: gonna feel whenever I sleep in, I feel really guilty.

574
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm not hopefully I won't do that.

575
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: No, well, you're yeah.

576
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: I think the weather as far as for this period

577
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: of time, as of right now, the weather actually looks

578
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: probably the best it's been in the last few years.

579
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: Like we've had really hot spells or or mega wind

580
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: like it actually looks maybe like it's this might be

581
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: the best fifth through the twelfth we've had in probably

582
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: three or four years, and maybe maybe longer than that.

583
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 2: I don't know.

584
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at you know, lows in

585
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 6: the high thirties and forties in the morning, and then

586
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 6: highs of you know, mid fifties. A couple of days

587
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 6: it reaches like sixty one sixty two. I mean, I'm

588
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 6: I can't ask for more than that. I'm not going

589
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 6: to freeze and I'm not going to bake, so like

590
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 6: that's perfect.

591
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

592
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I remember in twenty three when I shot my eyewa deer,

593
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: it was like during this time period, it was like

594
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: seventy eight degrees when I left my truck. And so

595
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: for anyone that don't don't complain about the weather actually

596
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: having really awesome weather.

597
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 6: Like you said, if it was hot and windy or

598
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 6: super rainy, I mean, that's the worst man, Like, it's

599
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 6: it's I'm just hopefully that doesn't change and I'll be

600
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 6: blessed if it stays how it is.

601
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

602
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, so I we're going to close this out with

603
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: two different things here. First, one is a quick trivia question.

604
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: I've been torturing most guests. My question for you is

605
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: what year was there the most amount of deer shot

606
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan, highest total number A hargust

607
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: what year?

608
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 6: I did not know the answer to that, but I'm

609
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 6: going to go back to I'm gonna go back to

610
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 6: like nineteen fifty.

611
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: I got my little sheet.

612
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Actually it's not nineteen fifty, it's actually nineteen ninety nine.

613
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, it was five hundred and forty ninety

614
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: five deer that were shot. And then the highest gun

615
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: harvest was four hundred and twelve thousand, and the year

616
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and then ninety nine was actually the highest

617
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: four archery. So little fun fact for everyone here. And

618
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: then my last question, is this on a scale one

619
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: to ten, ten being this is going to be the

620
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: best entire week all of twenty twenty five twenty twenty

621
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: six deer season is the ten one, It is the worst. Obviously,

622
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: we are probably in the week where there will be

623
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: the most amount of giant deer shot statistically.

624
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: So where do you think this falls?

625
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 6: After sting me on the last question, thanks for the layup,

626
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 6: I'm going I think I think you if you're not

627
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 6: this week, you have something that must be very important

628
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 6: to be doing. So that's that's it's a great week.

629
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 6: I mean the sixth, the seventh. Last time I was

630
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 6: in Iowa. I think I shot my buck on the seventh,

631
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, I love it. Coming up, I know there's

632
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 6: some good stuff and later November two, but I'm normally

633
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 6: back in Michigan doing our traditional rifle camp thing with

634
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 6: the other ten million people you just mentioned.

635
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, it should be should be a great week.

636
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Awesome, Jared, Well, congrat congratulations on your Michigan buck, and

637
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: good luck in Iowa. You're gonna be where everyone wants.

638
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Everyone who's not in Iowa this week is going to

639
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: wish they were where you're at.

640
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: So enjoy it. I know you're gonna have fun and

641
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

642
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 6: Hey, I appreciate it, man. I'll take all the good

643
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: luck I can get. Thank you, and good luck yourself.

644
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 6: I know you're out there hitting at art, so put

645
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 6: one down and send me a picture.

646
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: You got it, Jared, We'll see you.

647
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: Thanks Jack.

648
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: All right, Next up on the line, we have Chris.

649
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: How's it. How's it going right now?

650
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 7: Feeling good man? Glad to be here, talk some white

651
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 7: tails and get the same rolling.

652
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

653
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So what have you been seeing as far as activity.

654
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: I know, you just got back from all Ohio. What

655
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: was kind of the road activity here for the last

656
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: week of October.

657
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 7: In Pennsylvania, it's been fairly slow, just because I think

658
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 7: of the a corn crop.

659
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 8: There's a lot of food this year.

660
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 7: So the late teens of October have been Uh, it

661
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 7: was real slow just because there was so much food

662
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 7: on the ground. Betting was sort of random, So movement

663
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 7: was real sporadic. To Ohio. It was starting to pick

664
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 7: up a little bit. I was seeing some bucks and

665
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 7: bucks were really picking up on scrapes. That was around

666
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 7: the twenty fifth.

667
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: M And so you're back from Ohio. Are you primarily

668
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: hunting Ohio for the next you know, November.

669
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: Fifth through the twelfth.

670
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 7: I actually for my next Ohio trip on the seventh.

671
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 7: So yeah, so okay, seventh through the eleventh, I will

672
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 7: be in Ohio.

673
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: All right.

674
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: So with with that in mind, you know, you have

675
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: some intel from your most recent trip in Ohio.

676
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: You're going out there on the seventh.

677
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: I think that's probably relatable to a lot of people

678
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: that are, you know, traveling for the next seven days

679
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: to try to make a move somewhat rapidly. What is

680
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: on your mental checklist when you get back to Ohio

681
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: to hunt, you know, the seventh through the twelfth for example.

682
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 7: A lot of it's going to do with historical information

683
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 7: that I have and realizing that scrapes are starting.

684
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 8: To lose their jujus.

685
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 7: So we're going to be mainly focusing on dough groups

686
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 7: and terrain features connecting dough betting areas that I have

687
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 7: had success with in the past. So I mean those

688
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 7: those and terrain features are going to be your best friend.

689
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 7: I feel like in that section of the run.

690
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: When you're going out there, I'm assuming it's big woods.

691
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm also guessing it's public. Are you sitting in one

692
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: spot dark to dark? Are you, you know, having a

693
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: morning set kind of up high on the hill and

694
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: moving down lower in the evening or tbd?

695
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: Or what?

696
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: What advice do you have for someone that might be

697
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: in a similar boat.

698
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 7: So I don't know if I have a preference as

699
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: far as elevation high or low. It's all a spot

700
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 7: dependent for me and what maybe I know about that area.

701
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 7: It's a lot of it's gonna be come back to

702
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 7: some first that I'm park gonna start low because it's

703
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 7: all going to revolve around days if I'm just being

704
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 7: short with it, so I don't I don't care if

705
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 7: the doors are betting higher, if the doors are betting low.

706
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 7: I just need to be in correlation with where the

707
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 7: doors are in that area. What was the second happier question?

708
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: H and are you parking in one tree for the

709
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: entire day or are you moving? You know, bait, are you.

710
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: Moving kind of midday or moving around one o'clock to

711
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: go get to more of an evening spot. And you

712
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: know that's probably more prevalent in different parts of the country,

713
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: But don't big woods.

714
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

715
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 7: Since I don't live there, I'm not as in the

716
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 7: moment as I am at home. So when I get there,

717
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 7: I'll have a game plan to start and then I'm

718
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: gonna move as needed. If I'm seeing dose now, even

719
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 7: if I haven't seen the buck yet and i'm seeing

720
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 7: those for sit or two, I might hang out because

721
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 7: I know the doors are there. There's always that chance.

722
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 7: But if I'm not seeing what I want to see it,

723
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 7: then I'm gonna keep moving. I'm going to try to

724
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 7: put myself in the action.

725
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

726
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: And for someone you mentioned different train features, describe one

727
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: that's coming to mind here for this next week that

728
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: you're going to be hunting in Ohio.

729
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 7: Secondary points, mom, ditches. I really like those. A lot

730
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 7: of the stuff that I like to look for is

731
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 7: like a low spots, secondary bridges and ditches that maybe

732
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 7: dip into private or that has you know, part of

733
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 7: that has ag maybe catch catching the dough groups coming

734
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 7: up from the private that bet on these points and stuff,

735
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 7: and then obviously the bucks are going to parallel those.

736
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: M Yeah. Well, I mean you're right, listen.

737
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: I think we could try to overcomplicate this time period,

738
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: but in reality, man, you got to the dos in

739
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: a tight pinch. It's kind of the magic sauce of this.

740
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: Let me let me run this scenario by you. It's

741
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: in the morning and you have a setup where you

742
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: get winded by some doughs at like eight o'clock in

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: the morning.

744
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: What are you doing next?

745
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 8: Oh, I don't care if they wouldn't be.

746
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

747
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're just confident that where I'm sitting at, like,

748
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 7: even if my wind's bad, if I know I can

749
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 7: kill that buck before he hits my wind, I'm good

750
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 7: in my opinion. And a lot of times I've seen

751
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 7: where if a dough blows, a buck will come running

752
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 7: because that dough just to give up her position, because

753
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 7: a lot of times these does are actually trying to

754
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 7: hide from the bucks because they're getting pestered by you know, everything.

755
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 8: So you can make you can make a wrong that's

756
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 8: and have a buck run.

757
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 7: And I've done that where right before daylight, I'm walking

758
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 7: to the tree and I have a buck running at

759
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 7: me because he heard me from the ridge over.

760
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's an exciting time of year.

761
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: There was a one hundred earlier this week, and there

762
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: was it was a dough that was not ready to

763
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: be bred, and she was just running. She would run

764
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: in a real big thicket and the bucks would get

765
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: down whenever flush her back out, and then she would

766
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: run over to another thicket. And for people that, I

767
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: feel that you just got to be you got to

768
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: be present to win this time of year. You got

769
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: to find a good spot and ride it out. How

770
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: do you how do you mentally under or I guess

771
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: how do you mentally? Way you're in there, it's November

772
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: eighth and you're not seeing much activity.

773
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: How much time are you going to give that spot

774
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: before you might move?

775
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: Move?

776
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: On to something else.

777
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 7: Like I said, I think it's just going to depend

778
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 7: on the spot and like what I know about it.

779
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 8: If it was a brand new spot.

780
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 7: I might be more ought to be like, Okay, I'm

781
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 7: going to get down and at least look around.

782
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 8: Maybe there's something.

783
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 7: Here that I don't know that's here that I haven't

784
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 7: seen yet, and it would make me more up to

785
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 7: get back in the tree, you know, or just get

786
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 7: down scout find a new spot. Now, if I'm in

787
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 7: a spot where I'm like, yeah, I've had cameras here

788
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 7: for a couple of years and I know like this

789
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 7: is the pocket and I just need to be patient,

790
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 7: then I'll stay in the churney.

791
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And real quick.

792
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: For people that want to know more about historical data,

793
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: what exactly is that? Is that based off of specific deer?

794
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Is that based off of just general activity in that

795
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: area throughout this time period?

796
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 8: Both, yeah, a lot of it. I try to just

797
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 8: pick apart just the daylight pictures of bucks.

798
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 7: If I if I'm pulling cards and I got a

799
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 7: spot where there's a lot of a lot of nighttime activity,

800
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean it's a bad spot, because eventually there's

801
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 7: bucks will slip through there in the daylight. But if

802
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 7: I find a spot where it's like, man, there was

803
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 7: five bucks in here in two days in daylight, Like

804
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 7: that's what I'm trying to find.

805
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you have cameras in your backpack on

806
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: this trip where you're gonna go soak some more on

807
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: the fly?

808
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 8: I think it's reverse.

809
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 7: I've had the cameras out since February soaking, so it's

810
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 7: more like going there.

811
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 8: If I can, you know.

812
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 7: Past the camera before I get to my tree, I'll

813
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 7: pull the card and give me out.

814
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 8: Give me something. Look at why I'm in the tree too?

815
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 8: In past time?

816
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: Right?

817
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 8: Uh?

818
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any tips for passing time in the

819
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: tree sinking? Cause a lot of people are logging the

820
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: most amount of hours in a tree for the next

821
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: seven days, and anyone that says it doesn't get a

822
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: little boring is lyne.

823
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: So what what tips do you have to pass the time.

824
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: While you're buying You're buying time for your buck to

825
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: show up, and you're like, man, I'm getting a little bored.

826
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little sick of watching squirrels.

827
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 7: I can't sit here and tell you I'm the most

828
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 7: patient person in the World magazine.

829
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 8: I'm opposite. I'm so impatient to even funny, but I haven't.

830
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 7: I mean, having food helps, I've been I haven't done

831
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 7: it yet, but I've been telling myself. I'm like, man,

832
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 7: I need to bring a book or like a magazine

833
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 7: or something for that like midday, cause it does get

834
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 7: kind of like blinding to stay at your phone too

835
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 7: long too and that drains your battery and then you're

836
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 7: frustrated later in the day. And so I would say,

837
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 7: just food, bring a book, you know, something like that.

838
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I would be lying if I said I've

839
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: never brought a book before for those like this time

840
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: period where you can at least listen and hear and

841
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: you know, maybe learn something too along the way, as

842
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: far as you know, like I feel like everyone's trying

843
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: to pull out the back of tricks right now. Are

844
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: you gonna have your grund call right only antlers?

845
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: Are you going to use them? Tbd?

846
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 7: Once again, I don't carry horns very often, but I'll

847
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 7: always have a ground call with me, and I try

848
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 7: to use this sparingly and for really certain situations like

849
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 7: if I'm in a dire you know, situation where a

850
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 7: buck is acting like he would come into one, but

851
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 7: he's getting away from me, then I'm probably gonna use it.

852
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 7: But other than that, I pretty much try to just

853
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 7: be a silent be a silent killer.

854
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: I like it.

855
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: I like it so looking here, you know, kind of

856
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: guessing on the weather a little bit scale one to ten,

857
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: ten being, this is going to be the best week

858
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: of the entire year, one being is going to be

859
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: the worst week of the year. Where do you put

860
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: your prediction for big Buck activity from November fifth to

861
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: November twelfth, the grand event.

862
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 7: Here, I'll tell you what, man, I have had some

863
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 7: of the best hits I've ever had on November ten

864
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 7: And that's a year to year to hear, that's three years,

865
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 7: three years back to back to back for me, I've

866
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 7: had the best hits of the entire year on November.

867
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: Tenth, real quick, and then we'll let you go. What

868
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: did for last year? What was your setup for November tenth?

869
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Like just to describe if some people can envision and

870
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: try to try to find something similar.

871
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 7: I was the head of a ditch in between three

872
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 7: different but dobetting areas.

873
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Yep, I love it. I love it. Well, Chris, good

874
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: luck in Ohio.

875
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: Good luck in Pennsylvania as well, and I really appreciate

876
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: it hopping on here today.

877
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: This is the week we've been waiting for. Good luck.

878
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 8: Yep, appreciate it, man, all right.

879
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Next up on the line, we have Tom Alexander at

880
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: Land Magazine with Land dot Com.

881
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: Tom, how is it going down in Texas?

882
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: Fantastic, especially in our area. So I'm really in southern Texas,

883
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: I would say, kind of what we consider to be

884
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 5: the Gulf Coast region. And oddly enough we hit our

885
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 5: hard rut down here through October. So it's been great

886
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 5: for the last four weeks.

887
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Wonderful.

888
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those things. Texas is huge and

889
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: people don't realize how big that state is. And you

890
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: have a couple different hunting areas throughout the state of Texas,

891
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: which I want to kind of get an.

892
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Update throughout the region.

893
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: But as I mentioned to you here a little bit ago,

894
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: I like torture the guests with a trivia question. And

895
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: so Texas, Texas is not a state that I at

896
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: least think of when it comes to the sheer amount

897
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: of white tails being shot. So out of the last

898
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: twenty five years for all time single season whitetail harvest

899
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: out of the top twenty five.

900
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: How many times has it been Texas, I'd say every time.

901
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: You're really close, it's twenty three out of the twenty five. Wow,

902
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: and two thousand. Wisconsin is ranked number thirteen, and then

903
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: at twenty five Michigan is five hundred and forty four thousand.

904
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: But the all time record in the entire country nine

905
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen thousand deer harvested in the state of

906
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: Texas in twenty seventeen. So there's a lot of hunters

907
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of deer down there.

908
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

909
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 5: I think we'll vary each year in between seven hundred

910
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: and fifty and a million.

911
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy and mule deer.

912
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: Twenty three, twenty four thousand.

913
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: Wow yeah wow.

914
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: So we set the stage here. There's a lot of

915
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: deer that are gonna shot in the state of Texas

916
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: this fall. The rut is moving right along here in

917
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: the southern part of Texas. What's going on kind of

918
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: the general neck of the woods and for Texas from

919
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: the fifth to the twelfth, this is the time period

920
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: where a lot of people in the Midwest are, you know,

921
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: at peak excitement.

922
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: What's your level of excitement here in Texas.

923
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: It's always good because, like I said, we have so

924
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: many different regions, and it's a kind of a staggered event.

925
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 5: So you would say what I consider to be the

926
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: Gulf Coast region, so Gulf of America from the shoreline,

927
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: Galveston area, whatever, along that stretch of the coast inland,

928
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: say ninety or one hundred miles, and then going from

929
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 5: East Texas all the way down to South Texas, with

930
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: the exception of the far southern tip.

931
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: But that is all October.

932
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: So you know, if you plant an outright, you can

933
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: be during bow season. You can be in the rut

934
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 5: right there through that area. It's kind of odd we

935
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: actually manage to place south of Houston here in October.

936
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 5: The rut was just as hard as it could go,

937
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: and it's ninety five degrees outside, so we were out

938
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 5: shooting colder. My son shot two bucks one evening and

939
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 5: I remember field dressing them and it was ninety five degrees.

940
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: So they're just kind of strange, and they're out the

941
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: middle of the day hot as can be in their

942
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 5: running dos.

943
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: Wait a while.

944
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: So that's October, and then when you go into November

945
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 5: you start hitting what we consider to be far East

946
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 5: Texas and central Texas. So in reality, if you drew

947
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: a line, you know, halfway up the state of Texas

948
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 5: from east to west right, so just right through the middle.

949
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: Everything from that line north is November. And so if

950
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 5: you're in the hill country, which is where a lot

951
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: of people have recreational properties and they're hunting, it really

952
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 5: kind of it ties in the peak of the rut,

953
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 5: i'd say.

954
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: Is right before Thanksgiving.

955
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: So it's always a great time if you have property

956
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 5: up there, you're enjoying it, you might be spending Thanksgiving,

957
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 5: and it's a great time to hunt. And then we

958
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: roll into what we consider to be South Texas, the

959
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 5: brush country, and you know, that's just all I guess

960
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 5: you'd say everything south of that line, with the exception

961
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 5: of what's on the coast, and that's where the biggest

962
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 5: deer in Texas are killed. That's the majority of the

963
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 5: high fence places, and the peak of the rut there

964
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 5: is seems to be always right around Christmas. So I

965
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 5: know I have several friends that literally on Christmas Day,

966
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: after they celebrate Christmas, they have Christmas dinner, right and

967
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: as soon as that's over, everybody gets in the truck

968
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: and goes down to the deer leaser to the ranch,

969
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 5: and then they'll hunt through the end of January I'm sorry,

970
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 5: through the holiday season January second or third man.

971
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's a lot of opportunity to

972
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: chase rinting bucks a huge, huge window. That's that's actually

973
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: really incredible. I didn't realize. I didn't realize that that's

974
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: really neat.

975
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, you time it right, you know, you can get

976
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 5: the rut through each one of those through all three months.

977
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like following the waterfowl migration. Yeah, exactly.

978
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: So for folks that are maybe in Texas or maybe Oklahoma,

979
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: and I understand that's just a ginormous region what I

980
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: just described. But for the next five days or next

981
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: seven days, what are some things that you're personally keen

982
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: in on if you're going to be out in the standar,

983
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: out in the blind, chasing deer when the majority of

984
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: large bucks are shot, you know, over the next seven days.

985
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 5: You know, we're running cameras right now, and we do

986
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 5: a lot of feeding, so we try to stay off

987
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: for where we are down here, we try to stay

988
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 5: off of hunting the actual feeders and we're running protein,

989
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: so we'll corn the roads and just based and we

990
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: have certain stands set up for wind, and we just

991
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: corn the roads and if we can get some good

992
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 5: deer coming in. You know, it seems like most of

993
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 5: the big mature bucks there, you know, they've already kind

994
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 5: of gone through their cycle. They've had their dose pinned

995
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: down whatever it is, and done that first cycle. So

996
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 5: now they're out cruising, so you'll catch them just kind

997
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: of checking the wind and running up and down the

998
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 5: roads and just looking there. They probably lost I don't know,

999
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: fifteen percent of their body weight, so they've gone from

1000
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 5: these big, just lumbering, older bucks and now they're they're

1001
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: looking pretty fit, looking good, So kind of makes it

1002
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 5: difficult when you're trying to judge an age class. But

1003
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: now is the time to be killing what we consider

1004
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: the five and a half six and six and a

1005
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: half year old deer.

1006
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's that's super exciting.

1007
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: And it is crazy how how much the white tail

1008
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: buck changes, you know, from summer to the end of

1009
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: the rut. It actually is sometimes it can be unrecognizable

1010
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: by the end of the season.

1011
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's really neat to watch and when

1012
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 5: you see like you know, we're after certain management bucks

1013
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 5: and we might wait a little while for we're going

1014
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 5: to shoot them, but you see him at one minute

1015
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: or at the beginning of October, and like I said,

1016
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: they're twenty percent heavier, and they just look like these

1017
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: big lumbering almost like you know, a cow. They're just

1018
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: they're they're they're ready, you know. And then now they're

1019
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: just worn down and and very fit looking.

1020
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: So it's fun, good time.

1021
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: What is your your favorite part over the next seven

1022
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: days for this time of year. Is it the anticipation

1023
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: of anything that could happen? Is it bringing out the

1024
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: rat on alers and smashing them? I mean, what has

1025
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: you most excited over the next seven days.

1026
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1027
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, so get in an area where you

1028
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 5: know some good deer coming in, you know, hopefully a

1029
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 5: lot of dose. One of the problems we have here

1030
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 5: is with hogs, because there are thousands of pigs I

1031
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: think so far this year this year we probably killed

1032
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: two hundred in havn't even put a dent in them.

1033
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 5: So if you're corning a road, a lot of times

1034
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: you'll have the deer come out and they start getting

1035
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: nervous and then a pack of thirty hogs will come out,

1036
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: so you try to shoot those and get them spooked

1037
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: out of that area, and then the deer will start

1038
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 5: coming back in. But right now, yeah, it's you know,

1039
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 5: we've got an MLD permit, so we can shoot with

1040
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: the gun in October. But me and my buddy we

1041
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: both shoot traditional archery, so recurves long bows, and so

1042
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: a lot of our shots are ten or fifteen yards

1043
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 5: and that's the way we've got all of our stands

1044
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 5: set up right now, so we're after some target bucks.

1045
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: He was in a stand last night and actually tested me,

1046
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: texted me, I'm sitting here at my desk and I

1047
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 5: hear this, you know, crap, crap, crap. He had two

1048
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 5: dos that came in and the butt circle around down

1049
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: one of him, and it was a nice big six

1050
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: and a half year old eight point that he was

1051
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: after and bound it off. You know, but that would

1052
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: have been a good season kill for him.

1053
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: So you hunt with traditional archery equipment, which takes more preparation,

1054
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: more focus than any other form of archery hunting, and

1055
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: the moment of truth. A lot of people this week

1056
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: are going to be full draw on a deer they've

1057
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: been dreaming of for the last eleven and a half

1058
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: months and the moment of truth. What do people need

1059
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: to be thinking about? Is this deer's coming in to

1060
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: execute a great shot. And with traditional archery equipment, I

1061
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: think it's even more even more focus.

1062
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well do what I say. Not what I do.

1063
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: Is with traditional archery, you know, there's target paintings. So

1064
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 5: if you're watching that deer, naturally you're going to pull back,

1065
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 5: and it's something about a longbow or a recurve that

1066
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: you're holding that full tension, and everything in your brain

1067
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 5: just starts screaming at you. Let go, let go, because

1068
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: you're looking at that deer. And if you do aim,

1069
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 5: it's you know, if you're shooting at a three D target,

1070
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 5: you will naturally aim low and it's okay to put

1071
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 5: that tip down low below the arrow. But if that

1072
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 5: deer is there at ten yards and you've been practicing

1073
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 5: at twenty yards and holding just under the deer, it

1074
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: just seems like every time that deer walks out at

1075
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 5: ten yards and you put the tip of the arrow

1076
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 5: right on him and you shoot over him or he ducks,

1077
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: you know. So I think the most important thing is

1078
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 5: just wait for a minute. When that deer comes in.

1079
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 5: You always want to take that first best shot, but

1080
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 5: usually you're going to have time, especially if you've got

1081
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: corn out, So make sure you pick your spot, take

1082
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 5: your time, draw back anchor get completely ready, and then

1083
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 5: you know, like Joel Turner teaches, go through your process

1084
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: and make that decision once you're on and your aim

1085
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 5: make that decision of My next job is to release

1086
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: this exactly the way that I practice. So if you

1087
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: can go through that, then you're gonna do fine. I'm

1088
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: really good at doing that. On hogs, terrible on.

1089
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: Deer A half is the very best of us. That's

1090
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: what I break it up. That's what it's fun.

1091
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So you have to speak for the whole state

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Speaker 1: of Texas, second largest land mass in the United States,

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Speaker 1: over the next seven days on a scale one to ten,

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Speaker 1: ten being this might be the best week of the

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Speaker 1: year in the state of Texas for this season, and

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Speaker 1: number one being this might be one of the worst

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Speaker 1: weeks of the entire year. On a scale one to ten,

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Speaker 1: Where do you put this upcoming seven days for the

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Speaker 1: state of Texas for your report, I'd.

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Speaker 5: Say really good, we've had a coal front come through,

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Speaker 5: so it really makes a difference here. Last night, after

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Speaker 5: going I went out, went to the gym, then went

1104
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Speaker 5: to the grocery store and it's sixty five degrees outside,

1105
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 5: and there's people walking around and down jackets and their

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: nit caps on with a little ball on top. And

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Speaker 5: that's normal at sixty five degrees here, So we just

1108
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Speaker 5: don't get that cold. So this front is blown through,

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Speaker 5: it's been really pleasant outside. So right now in our area,

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Speaker 5: it should be outstanding over the next week and then

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Speaker 5: it's just going to roll as the weather goes and

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Speaker 5: the moon face and all that, depending upon the area

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Speaker 5: that you're in. But for here, right now, in our

1114
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 5: area hunting the rut, the tail end of the rut,

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Speaker 5: this next week should be really good, wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom, good luck. I hope you have a great

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Speaker 2: rest of your season.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you hopping on here and educating everyone about

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Speaker 1: the state of Texas because there's a lot to learn here.

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Speaker 2: Right all right, thanks Jake, All.

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Speaker 1: Right, there, you guys have it. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoy this week. This is the week we've been waiting

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Speaker 1: for all year. It's the week we're gonna be waiting

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Speaker 1: for fifty one weeks again, So get out there, enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: Enjoy all the moments. Remind yourself of some of the

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00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: advice here that the guests have provided, and get out

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00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: there and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: That is it. We will see you next week on

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Speaker 2: rough fresh good luck.