Speaker 1: A zone Media. Hey, this is it could happen here.
Speaker 1: I am Robert Evans. This is a podcast about things
Speaker 1: falling apart. Most of this episode is going to be
Speaker 1: me and James Stout discussing the disaster in North Carolina
Speaker 1: and elsewhere as a result of Hurricane Helene. But before
Speaker 1: we get into that, and we'll be talking largely about
Speaker 1: what this means for your own preparations for future disasters,
Speaker 1: what we can kind of learn initially from everything that's
Speaker 1: been happening. I wanted to start with a few minutes
Speaker 1: of us talking to Margaret Kiljoy, who was on the
Speaker 1: ground in the Asheville area doing disaster relief work right now.
Speaker 1: And obviously the audio here is not up to our
Speaker 1: usual quality, but it's only about five minutes, and then
Speaker 1: you will get James and I talking crystal clear into
Speaker 1: your ears. So here is Margaret.
Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone, I just got on the ground about two
Speaker 2: hours ago and immediately have been basically running or with
Speaker 2: my van delivering food to different places just because van
Speaker 2: did van thing. And it's I mean, it's intense. Everyone
Speaker 2: is having an intense time. But also at the same time,
Speaker 2: there's like, you know, more people are out walking around
Speaker 2: and riding bikes, and you know, there's hundreds of people
Speaker 2: gathering at every place that's passing out food and water,
Speaker 2: and there's a very kind of community spirit happening right now.
Speaker 2: I'm actually recording this from up in Marshall, which is
Speaker 2: a small town immediately north of Asheville that also has
Speaker 2: a mutual Aid distribution hub. We just came up here
Speaker 2: to drop stuff off, and even in the twenty minutes
Speaker 2: that I've been here, other people have come with pickup
Speaker 2: trucks full of harm reduction supplies and diapers.
Speaker 3: And just all the things that people need.
Speaker 2: And everyone is trapped on basically little islands. Right There's
Speaker 2: a very different style of flood than when you have
Speaker 2: like a coastal flood. And what's happened is that the
Speaker 2: houses that are near the river have been destroyed and
Speaker 2: the roads a lot of them have been destroyed, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them went under for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's all the infrastructure is down, but many of the houses,
Speaker 2: at least as I record this, seem to be intact
Speaker 2: and then doing well. And what it is that everyone
Speaker 2: is just trapped and isolated. Most people don't have food, water, sewage,
Speaker 2: or even cell signal, although cell signal is kind of
Speaker 2: the first thing to come back and power is starting
Speaker 2: to filter back in, and we're hoping that some places
Speaker 2: are maybe getting water. But one of the things that's
Speaker 2: kind of come up is that, again, because it's in
Speaker 2: the mountains, it's a very different setup, it's a very
Speaker 2: different culture and community. And one of the things that's
Speaker 2: happened is that, I mean a lot of people have wells,
Speaker 2: and so immediately the problem has been more about distribution
Speaker 2: of water and also getting generators to people who have
Speaker 2: well so that they can pump. You know, a friend
Speaker 2: of mine got a generator pretty quickly and you know,
Speaker 2: pulled a thousand gallons out of their well right away
Speaker 2: to get and distribute around. And there's a you know,
Speaker 2: just while I was waiting outside my friend's house, someone
Speaker 2: drove by and asked us if we needed water, and
Speaker 2: then asked us if we knew about each of the
Speaker 2: neighbors and who did and it didn't have water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, one of the things that makes
Speaker 1: me think of is like having the generator, having the well,
Speaker 1: that's great, the kind of thing that maybe people wouldn't
Speaker 1: think about as much as having the ability to put
Speaker 1: a thousand gallons of.
Speaker 3: Water in something.
Speaker 1: Yes, totally. It seems like it was also crucial and
Speaker 1: is probably would have been lowered down the list for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. But there's really no replacing it
Speaker 1: when you need it, totally.
Speaker 2: And but one of the things that again I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not suying to say that everything's fine here, it's
Speaker 2: very much fine. For example, the only federal response that
Speaker 2: anyone is talking about is that ice is already in
Speaker 2: the area, So before anyone had been given food by
Speaker 2: the federal government, they have sent ice to detain people
Speaker 2: and question people.
Speaker 3: At least that.
Speaker 2: Is the word on the ground. Obviously, you know, details
Speaker 2: and truths come later when you're in a crisis situation,
Speaker 2: but we do know that ice is on the ground,
Speaker 2: and no one I've talked to is so much in
Speaker 2: the way a federal response besides law enforcement. But one
Speaker 2: of the things that's happened here is that a lot
Speaker 2: of people have pickup trucks in Appalachia, and so a
Speaker 2: lot of people have you know, you call them water buffalos,
Speaker 2: the big water tanks that you can put in a
Speaker 2: pickup truck or a trailer. I definitely left this feeling,
Speaker 2: you know, my first you know, I drove with my
Speaker 2: van full of stuff and on the highway and being
Speaker 2: passed by pickup trucks pulling flatbeds full of palettes of water.
Speaker 3: And things like that.
Speaker 2: But then even yeah, in the city, people are driving
Speaker 2: around in trucks and filling them up with water and
Speaker 2: delivering them. But don't get me wrong, Yeah, if you're preparing,
Speaker 2: think about how to deliver water. Even some of the
Speaker 2: things for me, for example, the city government has been
Speaker 2: doing some things, and there are places where people can
Speaker 2: go and fill up water containers, but they don't have
Speaker 2: the water containers.
Speaker 3: So the people who.
Speaker 2: Were prepared by having a couple of five gallon toats
Speaker 2: in their basement are in a much better position. And
Speaker 2: that's like some of the things that I brought for
Speaker 2: some of my friends. It's litergally just a couple of
Speaker 2: five gallon water containers so that people.
Speaker 3: Can go get them filled up.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you're talking about when we're thinking about the places
Speaker 1: that people are able to drive around where the places
Speaker 1: that you've been reaching are hit pretty hard. But we
Speaker 1: also then have these more isolated mountain communities that both
Speaker 1: seem to have suffered a lot more physical damage, although
Speaker 1: that's not entirely clear at this moment, but are certainly
Speaker 1: not accessible in the same way. And I think that's
Speaker 1: one of those things we're still going to be waiting
Speaker 1: to hear, like how extreme it is. But like we
Speaker 1: talk a little bit on the episode before this about
Speaker 1: people using burrows to deliver food and water in places
Speaker 1: where vehicles can't even reach. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And one of the things also, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the things that went out on the mutual Aid list
Speaker 2: that I'm on is people are saying, hey, if you
Speaker 2: have your ATV, bring down your ATV, you know, and
Speaker 2: that makes complete sense if you the listener are listening
Speaker 2: to this, don't just drive down with supplies and if
Speaker 2: you are plugged into a mutual ad to.
Speaker 1: Just roll to Ashville in your polaris.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but but yeah, no, one of the hardest
Speaker 2: things has been getting the supplies, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: disaster relief is just it's just logistics. And the same
Speaker 2: way war is just logistics. You know, It's like how
Speaker 2: do you get things from one place to another? And
Speaker 2: what people have set up is all of these you know,
Speaker 2: you centralize the acquisation of supplies and then you decentralize
Speaker 2: getting them out. But yeah, people have been working. I'm
Speaker 2: going to know more about what people have been doing
Speaker 2: to get things out, but I've already talked with people
Speaker 2: or heard from people who you know, we're getting rescued
Speaker 2: by people a handsaws, right, and then one of the
Speaker 2: main things that people are doing is that there's chainsaw crews,
Speaker 2: mutual aid chainsaw crews going around.
Speaker 3: One of the big asks.
Speaker 2: That I came with a lot of was a bar
Speaker 2: and chain oil, you know. And it's a little bit
Speaker 2: hard because gas is also until just recently, gas is
Speaker 2: starting to come back online now, but getting gas for
Speaker 2: a chainsaw or an ATV or your vehicle has been tricky.
Speaker 2: But people have been working on that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Margaret, I'm going to take up more of
Speaker 1: your time while you try to help in the wake
Speaker 1: of a disaster. But thank you for being on the ground.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you and everyone else who's out there.
Speaker 1: We will be hearing more from you and more about
Speaker 1: the specifics of what's happened in North Carolina and elsewhere
Speaker 1: in the wake of the hurricane next week. So thank
Speaker 1: you and thank everybody there. Good luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: That is done. I am now going to move on
Speaker 1: with our previously recorded episode. Here is James and Me. Oh,
Speaker 1: welcome back to it could happen here a podcast where
Speaker 1: it's happened for some chunk of our listeners who are
Speaker 1: probably not listening right now, because as we record this
Speaker 1: on Monday, the first technically a Tuesday, we're just now
Speaker 1: getting word that internet has come back on, like mobile
Speaker 1: internet has come back on to parts of Ashville and
Speaker 1: North Carolina that we're in communicado for several days after
Speaker 1: Hurricane Eleen tore through. So you've heard something about this.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I'm different things from friends about how much
Speaker 1: news attention there seems to be on this. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: it a lot, but I'm seeing it largely through social
Speaker 1: But the gist of it is, I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: photo I came across right before getting on here, where
Speaker 1: there was a memorial marker for the nineteen sixteen flood
Speaker 1: in Ashville that was knocked out by what used to
Speaker 1: be a road and was now nothing but rushing water
Speaker 1: and mud.
Speaker 3: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: Three out of four highways into Ashville are down. I
Speaker 1: heard yesterday from people who were coming in and doing
Speaker 1: an aid drop that what had been previously a thirty
Speaker 1: minute drive took twelve and a half hours. From the
Speaker 1: state of the roads, and the number of checkpoints and stuff.
Speaker 1: All of this is pretty common stuff for a natural disaster,
Speaker 1: obviously amped up in severity because this disaster was correspondingly
Speaker 1: worse than even most natural disasters tend to be known
Speaker 1: in this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just looking through, just doing a little bit
Speaker 1: of googling before we got on, and I found a
Speaker 1: Reddit post from the Asheville subreddit from two years ago
Speaker 1: saying Ashville is apparently the number one city in the
Speaker 1: United States to be a climate haven, according to the CNBC,
Speaker 1: although that article it just made the list of best
Speaker 1: climate cities, but the original post has been deleted. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was earlier or as a result
Speaker 1: of this, but that is one of the side stories here,
Speaker 1: is that Ashville is not We're not talking about one
Speaker 1: of these coastal cities in Florida that everyone is known
Speaker 1: as doomed for forever, right. We're not talking about New Orleans,
Speaker 1: which lovely city, great history, doomed as fuck and everyone
Speaker 1: has known it for quite a while. We're talking about
Speaker 1: places that are many miles inland, and that something like
Speaker 1: two thousand feet elevation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly not below sea level or even at
Speaker 3: sea level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an inland, mountainous community. It's just not the
Speaker 1: kind of threat that people are used to having here.
Speaker 1: And the devastation has been pretty total, like whole communities
Speaker 1: wiped out. I think the death toll from the county
Speaker 1: Asheville is in. Let me let me pull this up
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm not getting it wrong. I've just
Speaker 1: now pulled up a story from thirty minutes ago on
Speaker 1: the Independent that says, yeah, at least one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty three people have been killed. Yeah, that's a total
Speaker 1: death toll from Helene forty people in Buncombe County, where
Speaker 1: Asheville is six hundred people unaccounted for. Governor Roy Cooper
Speaker 1: has told CNN that there are communities that were wiped
Speaker 1: off the map. Kind of the first thing that I noticed,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the footage coming in was friends
Speaker 1: of mine. Because I've spent a decent amount of time
Speaker 1: in Asheville. I have friends on the East Coast, including
Speaker 1: our own Margaret Kiljoy, who has a lot more friends
Speaker 1: in Asheville, and I was in a couple of different
Speaker 1: signal loops where people were trying to contact their people,
Speaker 1: and there was a line from one of the folks
Speaker 1: I was chatting with, who had reached out to multiple
Speaker 1: people in the area, and said, I have not heard
Speaker 1: anything from anyone in Nashville in hours. Nothing is getting
Speaker 1: in and nothing is getting out, And that seems to
Speaker 1: be consistent with everyone's experience. Starlink was largely not functional.
Speaker 1: Starlink doesn't work very well when the weather's really bad.
Speaker 1: Sat phones seem to have had some efficacy. I know
Speaker 1: some people were getting messages in and out, but they
Speaker 1: weren't super reliable because sat phones also are reliant upon
Speaker 1: climactic conditions. Right, It's certainly better than just trusting your
Speaker 1: normal cell phone, but it's not going to do great
Speaker 1: when you've got a fucking hurricane dumping half an ocean
Speaker 1: on your head. So that was the first thing I
Speaker 1: was thinking about, because we talk a lot about disaster preparedness,
Speaker 1: and we talk a lot about having stuff that would
Speaker 1: have been useful in this, and that people who were
Speaker 1: prepared and had water set aside and food set aside
Speaker 1: were certainly in a better situation, because those both very
Speaker 1: quickly became problems. I mean, I heard a devastating story
Speaker 1: of an old folks home that was completely cut off
Speaker 1: from the outside and didn't have enough water or food.
Speaker 1: Hoping that story ends as well as possible, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stories like that. But even outside of that,
Speaker 1: there were people who were prepared, who had food and water,
Speaker 1: but who wound up stuck on the roofs of their
Speaker 1: house because the water just came in so quickly there
Speaker 1: was no chance to really get much other than maybe
Speaker 1: a bag. And when you're stuck up on there, like
Speaker 1: what are you going to do if your SAT phone
Speaker 1: or you don't have a SAT phone and that doesn't
Speaker 1: work and there's no internet and there's no cell service.
Speaker 1: Well that's why we're going to start today talking about
Speaker 1: Ham radios, because those motherfuckers there's actually a I'll see
Speaker 1: if I can pull it up through this like that
Speaker 1: has been the most reliable way for people in the
Speaker 1: area to communicate with the outside world, because if it
Speaker 1: is possible to communicate using technology, you can do it
Speaker 1: with ham. Yeah, right, Like that's just that's just how
Speaker 1: Ham radios be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't need to see the sky like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck it. If there is any
Speaker 1: way to communicate via technology with people in a disaster,
Speaker 1: you will be able to do it with a Ham radio. Ye, sots,
Speaker 1: let's chat about that, James. You have more experience with
Speaker 1: this than I do. This is something I have been
Speaker 1: working on getting into, but I certainly am not very
Speaker 1: knowledgeable on the matter. So we'll start like, what what
Speaker 1: do people need to think about when it comes to
Speaker 1: like actually getting set up to communicate with a Ham radio,
Speaker 1: Because there's definitely you could just go buy a Boofang
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like you can get ahead. They're
Speaker 1: not expensive. This is actually a very affordable thing to
Speaker 1: have right now. Kind of the most recommended model is
Speaker 1: the UV nine R Pro, which is eight watt instead
Speaker 1: of five and waterproof.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's what I was going to say. And you
Speaker 3: can charge it off USBC, which is really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're what like thirty something bucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get them cheaper in bulk. I think
Speaker 3: you steel to get them cheaper on Alley Express, but
Speaker 3: seems like they're kind of hanging them up in charging customs,
Speaker 3: so you end up not getting them cheaper. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: for real basic stuff. I think you do need to
Speaker 3: be licensed to operate these radios on certain bands, right, yes,
Speaker 3: And that's something that you you can, I believe in
Speaker 3: a case of emergency you can. You can operate on
Speaker 3: any band.
Speaker 1: No one's going to arrest you for a legal youth
Speaker 1: unlicensed used to a ham radio if you're trying to
Speaker 1: get people rescued from a flood, right, Like that said,
Speaker 1: you should not be learning how to use a ham
Speaker 1: radio when you're hiding on your roof.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like this is like you know the
Speaker 3: people who buy guns and put them under their bed
Speaker 3: and never shoot them and expect to be right because
Speaker 3: the fucking marksman in a crisis or by medical gear
Speaker 3: and never train with it again. Right, These things that
Speaker 3: you want to practice before. So we use these a
Speaker 3: lot of the boarder. We use radios to communicate. When
Speaker 3: they were higher numbers in Cucumber, my friends and I
Speaker 3: put a map sive antenna on the roof of the
Speaker 3: youth center where we were. You know a lot of
Speaker 3: listeners have been out there and they've probably seen antenna
Speaker 3: that we put up. And then I was using a
Speaker 3: radio on my truck and then we also all had
Speaker 3: personal radios, right because cell phone signal is crap out there,
Speaker 3: and it was the only way for us to communicate
Speaker 3: and it worked really well. So the things that you
Speaker 3: need if you want to get started in this are,
Speaker 3: first of all, some kind of education or a license.
Speaker 3: There are tons of local groups. Hand people fucking love
Speaker 3: to be ham radio people. They love to talk about
Speaker 3: hand radio. They love to teach you to do ham
Speaker 3: radio so like, and it's not like a hobby, you know,
Speaker 3: firearms people love to talk about firearms, but lots of
Speaker 3: them are really toxic people. I haven't found that ham
Speaker 3: radio is premised on talking to people all over the place,
Speaker 3: and often very.
Speaker 1: Few people killed with ham radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it's possible. But if you can find
Speaker 3: a local club, but that's a great way to start.
Speaker 3: They can clean you in on stuff. But I think
Speaker 3: to begin with you also need someone to talk to, right, Like,
Speaker 3: if you want to practice with your hand radio, you
Speaker 3: need to be talking to other people on it. So
Speaker 3: you can just go on to different bands, different repeaters
Speaker 3: and do that, or you can get your friends and
Speaker 3: study together. Yeah, get your license together.
Speaker 1: I too, bow things, you know, Yeah, give one to
Speaker 1: somebody who you live close to but not right next to,
Speaker 1: and work on it with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, work on like, oh how far this work? You know?
Speaker 3: Like I am one of the former guests for the
Speaker 3: podcast James Corderra from Border Kindness. He and I were
Speaker 3: doing that not so long go talk to each other
Speaker 3: from our houses. But yeah, you can. You can certainly
Speaker 3: get into this pretty cheap. I have a business license,
Speaker 3: which is another option for people. I would suggest first
Speaker 3: getting your ham operator's lescense and then going from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's called a radio technicians license, right, Like
Speaker 1: that's the most basic because there's three levels.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Yeah, I believe. So it's been
Speaker 3: a while since I did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Radio Technicians General and then amateur
Speaker 1: extra if the note yeah are accurate.
Speaker 3: Still, and then in terms of cost, like the size
Speaker 3: of your antenna is what's going to determine, you know,
Speaker 3: how far you can transmit and how you can receive
Speaker 3: along with like line of.
Speaker 1: Sight, right, it's about side.
Speaker 3: Ye, it's the biggest one possible. So you want to
Speaker 3: be a size queen, like you can get yourself a
Speaker 3: really big antenna. I would say if you're using those
Speaker 3: handheld radios. So the company called Nagoya that make pretty
Speaker 3: decent radios antennas that work with that UV nine R
Speaker 3: that I use. I have like a telescoping one and
Speaker 3: we've had pretty good luck with that, and then I
Speaker 3: also use one in my VI So I've hard mounted
Speaker 3: a radio inside my truck and I have an antenna
Speaker 3: that uses the frame of the truck as part of
Speaker 3: the antenna, and I can get really good signal with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense if.
Speaker 3: You're just doing it at home. Yeah, put something on
Speaker 3: your roof, Like you can get a pretty good antenna
Speaker 3: on your roof, you know, and it's not that hard
Speaker 3: and you can get signal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Much further.
Speaker 1: I've been recommended a little book that you can get
Speaker 1: for twenty bucks in kindle form or it's like thirty
Speaker 1: bucks for the spiral bound, which looks pretty durable. I
Speaker 1: haven't received mine yet. Yeah, the ar rl HAM Radio
Speaker 1: License Manual, which is kind of what I was advice
Speaker 1: to buy and read through and the advice that I
Speaker 1: got and you can correct me here. But this seemed
Speaker 1: pretty hard to argue with. Is that, like the primary
Speaker 1: benefit to doing the training and getting the license formally
Speaker 1: rather than just buying it is it also teaches you
Speaker 1: how to fix problems if you're trying to like get
Speaker 1: this thing to work in a stressful, dangerous situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to be familiar with it if you're
Speaker 3: going to rely on it, right, just like anything else
Speaker 3: this ham study dot org as well, which helps you.
Speaker 3: You can also do something called a software defined radio SDR.
Speaker 3: I've used those before as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll Yeah, we'll do a more dedicated episode
Speaker 1: to this kind of thing once. I feel a degree
Speaker 1: of competence too. But I think what's really important with
Speaker 1: this is because I can tell you right now, as
Speaker 1: much time as I spend, like thinking about water and
Speaker 1: having a bunch of different water treatment options and spare
Speaker 1: water stored, and I have like I literally have at
Speaker 1: this point years of dried food on the property. I
Speaker 1: can food all the time. I have animals, obviously, I
Speaker 1: have guns, you know, I do stuff like know, go
Speaker 1: foraging in the woods and shit. I had completely because
Speaker 1: it's a pain in the air. It seemed like a
Speaker 1: pain in the ass. There's a lot of numbers. I
Speaker 1: hate fucking numbers, and I am choosing to use this
Speaker 1: and we're we're starting out with this as coverage of
Speaker 1: Halle not because like this is the end of it.
Speaker 1: We're not. We are going to look at what's actually
Speaker 1: been happening in the community. We have people Margaret Killjoys
Speaker 1: down there right now, we have some other like friends
Speaker 1: of the pod who are in the area doing relief work.
Speaker 1: Now it's just too early for those stories, and we
Speaker 1: don't want to like really bug people who are doing
Speaker 1: useful work down there. Yeah, but this is the first
Speaker 1: thing that terrified me was being like, well, fuck, I
Speaker 1: have been negligent in my preparations because I don't have
Speaker 1: comms locked down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, like people underestimated because it's not cool and fun,
Speaker 3: right like guns and fun.
Speaker 1: I have a sat phone, So I was like, that's
Speaker 1: probably fine, right, Like, well, it wouldn't have been wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been in Ashville.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, people think that they can have stylink now, and
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you know, people, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: emphasis on that, but I think, yep, going back to basics.
Speaker 3: We were talking about this in our group chat. But
Speaker 3: for things that you need, having a primary, secondary, and
Speaker 3: emergency way of doing that makes sense. So yes, your phone,
Speaker 3: your SAT phone. You know, I think Robert and I
Speaker 3: both He's gum and in reaches like a sack communicator.
Speaker 1: I have an in reach and I also have a
Speaker 1: Motorola smartphone that is a SAT phone through God, I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting the name of the service, but a separate service,
Speaker 1: like I have two different SAT phone services.
Speaker 3: And then you got your ham radio as your backup.
Speaker 3: Well after that you got smoke signals and pigeons right.
Speaker 1: Well, that gets us to a general idea of preparation
Speaker 1: which I was kind of when I started. When I
Speaker 1: got advice from a colleague about war reporting, like the best.
Speaker 1: It's still to this day some of the best advice
Speaker 1: I've ever got is two is one and one is none.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If you have one way of doing something and a disaster,
Speaker 1: you are very close to having no way of doing
Speaker 1: it right, which brings me to transit because one of
Speaker 1: the the thing that is probably going to wind up
Speaker 1: being the defining characteristic of this disaster in memory is
Speaker 1: the degree to which the ability to reach people in
Speaker 1: an area that is we're not talking, you know. There
Speaker 1: definitely are a lot of rural communities impacted by this,
Speaker 1: but like Ashville is a significant place. We're not talking
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. We are not talking about people
Speaker 1: living on the edge of the world, right, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are talking about like one of the what was what
Speaker 1: was up to this point, one of like the hippest
Speaker 1: and more popular parts of the northeast.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The immediacy with which the ability to reach people on
Speaker 1: the ground was wiped out, and obviously while the storm
Speaker 1: was going on, there was no way to reach them
Speaker 1: from air. Like you know, a helicopter can get places now,
Speaker 1: but during the worst of the flooding, you're not reliably
Speaker 1: getting a fucking chopper into a lot of these places.
Speaker 1: So people were stranded very quickly, much faster than they
Speaker 1: had been prepared for. You should be thinking about like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I could get flooded, because you probably could.
Speaker 1: Most of the people listening to this. There's not a
Speaker 1: zero percent chance a freak storm floods your community, right,
Speaker 1: even if it never has before. It's not exactly a
Speaker 1: common problem in Asheville, right, the last massive flood thing
Speaker 1: was like nineteen sixteen, So we're not talking about a
Speaker 1: place that's used to flooding all the time. But likewise,
Speaker 1: like it's not just flooding that fire could do this, right,
Speaker 1: I am thinking the last kind of near disaster we
Speaker 1: had where I was was in twenty twenty. You know
Speaker 1: where I live right now. I am in the city
Speaker 1: of Portland, and we were like three or four blocks
Speaker 1: away from where the evacuation orders had spread during the
Speaker 1: fires in twenty twenty. It was not a foregone conclusion
Speaker 1: that they would stop before reaching the city. You know.
Speaker 1: This is also I think people in southern California. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: there's a shocking number of communities, communities with money that
Speaker 1: are really built up that if a fire hit at
Speaker 1: the wrong time of year, there's no stopping it. And like,
Speaker 1: you need to be thinking about how am I preparing
Speaker 1: to be informed during the seasons where this is like
Speaker 1: of of highest likelihood, because the only real safety there
Speaker 1: is paying attention to what's happening and building an understanding
Speaker 1: of how quickly things can go badly so that you
Speaker 1: get out ahead of time, because if the disaster just hits,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get on the highway and drive
Speaker 1: through a fire or through a flood. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you have a fucking Safari snorkel. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: those waters. You are not getting the most kitted out
Speaker 1: land rover on God's Green Earth was not getting through
Speaker 1: some of those waters.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, you need a submarine fish. Like I
Speaker 3: remember my house flooded when I was probably seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 3: and I remember that. A couple of the things I remember,
Speaker 3: first of all, was like, most of your shit is
Speaker 3: not that important to you. I remember being seventeen and
Speaker 3: being like, oh man, we got this back then. Having
Speaker 3: a widescreen TV was a big deal for us, and
Speaker 3: just yeah, then thinking like, oh, my name is an
Speaker 3: eighty some like I fuck the TV. I need to
Speaker 3: check of those people, okay. And then people completely overestimating
Speaker 3: the capability of their vehicles in floodwater, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: Which they always will do. It will always be the
Speaker 1: people with the biggest trucks that cause the most problems
Speaker 1: for everyone else to overestimate where their vehicles can get them.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like you can die in your vehicle crossing
Speaker 3: relatively shallow floodwater. This isn't yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: serious business.
Speaker 1: Or get burned to death, which happens all the time,
Speaker 1: has happened very recently in communities in like California. You know,
Speaker 1: people just get fucking incinerated. So don't be that person.
Speaker 1: Pay attention. Like one of the things to pay attention
Speaker 1: to is like when the warning started to come in.
Speaker 1: There will be good breakdowns fairly soon in places like
Speaker 1: the New York Times on when warnings came in and
Speaker 1: how much time people actually had. Ye But don't gamble
Speaker 1: with stuff like this. Fucking drive to high ground or
Speaker 1: you know, drive to whatever seems like the safest place
Speaker 1: and fucking in your car if you have to. And
Speaker 1: this is why again, when it does come to survival stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. If you have the money, spend
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks on one of those buckets of dried food.
Speaker 1: Because you can keep a bucket of dried food and
Speaker 1: five gallons of water by the door. You can throw
Speaker 1: that son of a bitch in your car, and carrying
Speaker 1: the waters might be a pain in the ass, but
Speaker 1: if you have to get out and run, those buckets
Speaker 1: of dried food with a week or so of food
Speaker 1: in them are not that hard to carry. You hold
Speaker 1: it under your arm, you keep a backpack on your back,
Speaker 1: and you run like a son of a bitch to
Speaker 1: whatever evacuation exists, and you'll have some food with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like this is one of the ways I
Speaker 1: think about stuff like this. You know, it's obviously preferable
Speaker 1: if you can just hunker down in your fucking house
Speaker 1: full of gear and equipment. But I'm sure there were
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people who had to evac or
Speaker 1: who got flooded out in Ashville and their house that
Speaker 1: got flooded out was full of survival gear. I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that that happened to people. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it happens everywhere to people, right happening. But what should
Speaker 1: be happening right now is an advertising break? Oh shit,
Speaker 1: should have happened ten fucking minutes ago, James. Yeah, but here,
Speaker 1: but here we are. We're back.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: When it comes to talking about like the degree to
Speaker 1: which people's high tech and expensive equipment, including vehicles, has
Speaker 1: run out very quickly, one of the stories that has
Speaker 1: been most interesting to me is of like, one of
Speaker 1: the first groups of people to be able to get
Speaker 1: supplies and significant quantities to some of these isolated mountain
Speaker 1: regions was a guy with a shitload of donkeys. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the mule team. The mule team guy. He was one second,
Speaker 1: let me pull this up I've got this bookmarked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mountain mule Packer Ranch, which I'm guessing is just some
Speaker 1: sort of like a you know, you go there to
Speaker 1: vacation and do like mule trips, mule hights and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's kind of people who want to backpack or take
Speaker 3: like a really luxury as camping set up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they've been doing mule trains into a town
Speaker 1: call into a Weaverville. It looks like and yeah, like
Speaker 1: a mule can carry. It's something at least based on
Speaker 1: this people article I'm looking at, they're saying about two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of supplies per animal, which you know is
Speaker 1: actually very significant. That's not a whole lot more than
Speaker 1: you're going to be fitting in like a compact car
Speaker 1: at least obviously a truck's carrying more. But you're not
Speaker 1: getting a truck into a lot of these areas. And
Speaker 1: it just kind of goes to I'm not saying like
Speaker 1: everyone go buy a mule. That's not really practical for
Speaker 1: most people, although if you've got some land, maybe consider
Speaker 1: getting the mule. They're real handy. They do come in
Speaker 1: very useful in situations like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking companion animals as well. I think people haven't
Speaker 3: felt like, if you have a hole or whatever, I'll
Speaker 3: pack us too. But they can't carry so much, but
Speaker 3: I'll pack. A packing is a thing, and in like Montana,
Speaker 3: in places like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great. You know, if you've got to fight
Speaker 1: in the mountains of Afghanistan a mule, you know you can.
Speaker 1: You can do a lot there, So very useful in
Speaker 1: a wide variety of situations. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners are actively fighting in Afghanistan right now, so
Speaker 1: that that could be very handy for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, proud of you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. America said we're done there, but you said
Speaker 1: not me.
Speaker 3: It can happen here. You can't stop me going back
Speaker 3: with my mule. That's why this is the official pocast
Speaker 3: of the Islamic State Corusson Province.
Speaker 1: That is that's that's uh, oh, James, we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: saying stuff. We can hopefully hopefully the government's busy.
Speaker 3: Well apparently because they ain't doing ship in a Nashville.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, I saw a lot of One
Speaker 1: of the more heartbreaking posts that I saw was this
Speaker 1: this lady posting a picture of her parents and her
Speaker 1: daughter who was six on the roof with them, and
Speaker 1: she was like a few minutes later, the roofs and
Speaker 1: they were dead. Like she apparently managed to just kind
Speaker 1: of barely survive and get out of there. But there's
Speaker 1: there's like I'm I think a lot of people whose
Speaker 1: last act was trying to get a good photo or
Speaker 1: video of their location, you know, to post on social media.
Speaker 1: I don't want there to be a lot of people
Speaker 1: who made the decision to stay longer than they should
Speaker 1: have because they wanted to get a good shot for
Speaker 1: social media. But I'm sure that number wasn't zero. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's what happened to that lady. There's also
Speaker 1: a matter of like, well, if you are stuck up there,
Speaker 1: what else are you going to fucking do but document it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have some sympathy for that. Yeah, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to shit on these people, but it is one of
Speaker 1: these there's that post that goes around every time there's
Speaker 1: a disaster like this, where you know, climate collapse is
Speaker 1: watching a series of horrifying videos on cell phones until
Speaker 1: one day it's you holding the phone. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that that not that we shouldn't think about, Like
Speaker 1: what's happened, you know, to North Carolina, to Tennessee, to
Speaker 1: these affected communities. There's places in Georgia that got hard hit.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's a focus. But from a practical standpoint, the
Speaker 1: only good that you can make of a disaster like
Speaker 1: this is to try and pay attention to what happened,
Speaker 1: to what went wrong for other people, and make yourself
Speaker 1: less vulnerable, because the less vulnerable you are one of
Speaker 1: the things that we see every time there's something like
Speaker 1: this hits, you know, and this is I would call
Speaker 1: this a hand of God event. Right, You had a
Speaker 1: bunch of communities that were a part of the developed,
Speaker 1: you know whatever term first world one day, and we're
Speaker 1: completely cut off from everyone else on the planet the next.
Speaker 1: And all you can really do in the immediate aftermath
Speaker 1: of something like that is try to figure out what
Speaker 1: can I do to make it less likely that I'm
Speaker 1: a strain on resources during an event like this, And
Speaker 1: obviously the best way is to not be there, because
Speaker 1: then you're not a strain on resources. But the next
Speaker 1: best thing is to have to pay attention to what
Speaker 1: went wrong for other people and try to make yourself
Speaker 1: less vulnerable to that, because not only does that protect you,
Speaker 1: but you protect other people by not needing the resources
Speaker 1: that rescuers can bring to bear, which will be terribly
Speaker 1: limited in the immediate wake of the disaster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like in terms of resources, I'll see
Speaker 3: Margaret does an excellent podcast quuredly if the world is dying,
Speaker 3: we can hear more about that stuff. I think the
Speaker 3: thing that you can buy, I guess right now, if
Speaker 3: you have like thirty to fifty bucks and you want
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more repared, because I understand
Speaker 3: that for some people this will be an oh shit
Speaker 3: moment right where this is something that it ought to be. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it really should be. Like you know, you've seen a
Speaker 3: city that thought it was completely invulnerable be very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: You can buy a Sooyer squeeze for like thirty bucks
Speaker 3: right now. You can set them up in a off
Speaker 3: a five gullon bucket yep, or you can use the
Speaker 3: bag that it comes with. You can buy a back
Speaker 3: from a company called Cannock CNOC, which is a much
Speaker 3: better bag. I would recommend that. But like you can
Speaker 3: spend thirty bucks. The like we said before, you should
Speaker 3: have backup and other water filtering options. But yeah, there
Speaker 3: are whole countries that use Soyer squeezes, right, the Marshall Islands.
Speaker 3: I made a thing about Liberia uses in too, And
Speaker 3: you can filter rain water with that, and you could
Speaker 3: pretty much have a supply of water for as long
Speaker 3: as you need it if you backflush it.
Speaker 1: Right, You've got like a family of four and a house.
Speaker 1: You have one or two five gallon buckets full at
Speaker 1: any time, and you have a Soyer squeeze, and you
Speaker 1: can you know, in this kind of situation, you could
Speaker 1: keep filling it up with you know, disaster water for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word. And in that sort of
Speaker 1: situation too, you can double up and triple up, which
Speaker 1: I always recommend in an emergency. I've nearly diet of dysentery,
Speaker 1: so I don't fuck around with this. Yea, get a
Speaker 1: filtration option that's not the only one. Filter your water
Speaker 1: and add iodine tablets too, right, like you know, filter
Speaker 1: your water and use something like a UV light, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a stiry pan, stirry pan. You know, don't just rely
Speaker 1: on one method. Double up, there's no You're not going
Speaker 1: to have a lot to do other than make sure
Speaker 1: your water doesn't kill you. And that's a real good
Speaker 1: thing to focus on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could even use bleachhouse help bleach. Just make
Speaker 3: sure you're leach sucking around, it's not scented, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you want to look up that ratio just
Speaker 1: or not fucking up the ratio with them. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great you know, I keep a I usually
Speaker 1: keep one or two, just big fifty gallon barrels of water.
Speaker 1: There's like stabilization tablets or in liquid that you can
Speaker 1: drop in there because water doesn't store indefinitely. But you
Speaker 1: can use bleach too. People do I keep at all times.
Speaker 1: I just have this as part of my outdoor kit,
Speaker 1: but it's a good thing to have for a disaster.
Speaker 1: You can have a camelback with one company that makes
Speaker 1: them as called Catadin Kata d Ynn Catadyne. Yeah, Catadyne. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but there's a couple of different water filters that you
Speaker 1: can screw directly onto your camelback. So you pour water
Speaker 1: in the camel back and by the time you get
Speaker 1: the water in your mouth, it has gone through a
Speaker 1: very serious filter arrangement. And that again, that can be
Speaker 1: part of your I pick this up and I take
Speaker 1: this with me, and no matter where I go, I
Speaker 1: couldn't pour water into the camel back and me and
Speaker 1: my family can drink off of it, or we have
Speaker 1: two camelbacks or whatever. You know, I have four lids
Speaker 1: on you. This is not free, but it's not prohibitively expensive.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not like buying nice firearms, right, and it
Speaker 1: is considerably likelier to save your life than an AAR fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there are magazines of ammunition that will cost
Speaker 3: you more than this would. And like yeah, yeah, with
Speaker 3: all of these things, once it's dirty, it's not clean, right,
Speaker 3: So like your camelback bladder is now dirty water bladder
Speaker 3: and stuff, especially in a disaster situation, don't be mixing
Speaker 3: a match. Just get a sharpie and run and it. Likewise,
Speaker 3: I have a Jerry can. I just wrote the bleach
Speaker 3: amounts on it with a paint pen and it's there now,
Speaker 3: And now I know, like none of this stuff is
Speaker 3: hugely complicated, and like everything else, right, like the more
Speaker 3: familiar you are with it, that if you go camping
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, like Robert was saying, you already have
Speaker 3: a system in place, so you're already ready for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep something called a grail on me, which
Speaker 1: is just like a cup that has a filter. Like
Speaker 1: it's a two part like almost kind of a thermos
Speaker 1: type deal, and you fill the bottom part with water
Speaker 1: and you press the top part in and it fills
Speaker 1: an internal reservoir with filtered water. And then I'll drop
Speaker 1: a tablet in there or something and you know, or
Speaker 1: I'll pour that into a larger thing and put the
Speaker 1: tablet in there. But you can always have multiple options
Speaker 1: for water. And it's the kind of thing where like
Speaker 1: there's no reason not to a camelback and a filter
Speaker 1: plus a bunch of pills, plus some sort of like
Speaker 1: canned pump rig you're maybe out one hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: You have three different methods of keeping your water clean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're surtplusing out a lot of the
Speaker 3: MSR Guardians the US military used to buy. You can
Speaker 3: get those pretty tech. Those are great, like I have.
Speaker 3: I was just in the dairying gap. I used one
Speaker 3: of those and then chemical treatment and like yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: And you can also bulk process with the gravity Guardian.
Speaker 3: You could do ten liters at a time.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in this kind of conversation. We are
Speaker 1: tree by what we think is the most important stuff
Speaker 1: which is in a disaster like this, water in comms,
Speaker 1: and I kind of keep those as relatively equal because obviously,
Speaker 1: like you can survive without comms in some situations, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can't in any without water. But if you
Speaker 1: are in a situation where you're on the roof of
Speaker 1: your house and your roof is not going to hold
Speaker 1: out much longer in the floodwaters, colms suddenly become the
Speaker 1: number one problem that you have, right your inability to
Speaker 1: reach someone who might be able to get you out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 3: If you need to get help, then you need to
Speaker 3: be able to ask for help. Yeah, I guess the
Speaker 3: other thing I would say is if you rely on
Speaker 3: any medicine, think about how and where you store them. God.
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of people have been having to figure out,
Speaker 1: Like I've been reading stories about people needing to set
Speaker 1: up like battery and solar or generator situation, like their
Speaker 1: fucking seapap machines, and they're like, you have people who
Speaker 1: are on dialysis who are going to need to get
Speaker 1: evacked because there's not going to be reliable dialysis you know,
Speaker 1: in town in a while, right, Like.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff some of that, you know, like
Speaker 3: I have a big cooler and I can chuck ice
Speaker 3: in there, and I can have enough insulin in that
Speaker 3: bad boy for a year, you know. Yeah, another medicines,
Speaker 3: you know, he's putting them in a waterproof bottle and
Speaker 3: having that in your We I live in California. We
Speaker 3: have a bag for fires and earthquakes, right everyone here does.
Speaker 3: And just having a few days of your medicine so
Speaker 3: you can grab and go. You don't have to think
Speaker 3: about it. You don't forget something that you rely on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's also what you should be thinking,
Speaker 1: is like, if it takes me two or three days
Speaker 1: to get evact and out to an area where I
Speaker 1: can like spend money again to get access to the
Speaker 1: things that I have on a daily basis, what shit
Speaker 1: can't I survive without until I get to a part
Speaker 1: of the world where I can get access to things again,
Speaker 1: right right, Which is again why we're kind of focusing
Speaker 1: on comms so that you know what's happening, so that
Speaker 1: you can maybe reach people water and then underwater like
Speaker 1: food and obviously things like thank god we are not
Speaker 1: in a time of the year when this happened where
Speaker 1: people are going to like freeze to death immediately right
Speaker 1: in the middle of something like this. But that would
Speaker 1: I would say, like access to warm and dry clothing
Speaker 1: could be up there, equal with you know, water and cobs.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about a kind of disaster that might
Speaker 1: put people out of their homes in an area where
Speaker 1: you can die in minutes in the front, like if
Speaker 1: you live out in the fucking Great Lakes region, depending
Speaker 1: on the time of year, we're talking about a disaster
Speaker 1: that could be right up there. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what you need based on where you live, but be
Speaker 1: thinking about what keeps you alive. That's really a lot
Speaker 1: of disaster preparedness is actually trying to understand what is
Speaker 1: it that keeps me alive. A lot of our economy
Speaker 1: exists in having that not be obvious to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, in putting your priority selfwhere. But yeah,
Speaker 3: think about what stuffs you dying. Maybe have a couple
Speaker 3: of spats and have it in a place. Having all
Speaker 3: this stuff is great, if it's in seventeen different tote
Speaker 3: bags in your attic, that's not much use to you
Speaker 3: when you don't have very long to get out your house.
Speaker 3: So having stuff like Robert said, by the door in
Speaker 3: your car, in a backpack whatever, like, yeah, that you
Speaker 3: can easily access and be okay. Then you have it
Speaker 3: and then you when you need it, it's there and
Speaker 3: you know where it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yep, well James, how we do it. It's happened here, buddy,
Speaker 3: It's happened here. Yeah, like we said it would.
Speaker 1: Yeah it could like could, Like we keep saying this.
Speaker 1: This was like I the messages I was sharing with
Speaker 1: people immediately after this was like, oh, this is the one.
Speaker 1: This is the one we were worried about. This is
Speaker 1: the hand of God sweeping into a community and just
Speaker 1: knocking it off the edge of the earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, not that this kind of thing doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: but this is this is the first one, at least
Speaker 1: since I've been really focusing on this stuff in the
Speaker 1: US where it hits somewhere that just was not on
Speaker 1: my radar as a super vulnerable place.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah. And it'll happen again next year and with
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 1: It'll happen again. Yeah, and it'll surprise you. It'll surprise
Speaker 1: you again where it hits. You know, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: There's no climate haven. Yeah, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not on this planet. I would say, like,
Speaker 3: if you have money and you want to help mutu
Speaker 3: late disaster relief for.
Speaker 1: Great, Yes, let's talk about that. Let's go to ADS
Speaker 1: one last time, and then when we come back we
Speaker 1: will tell you who you can send some money to
Speaker 1: to help people who are actively suffering and we're back.
Speaker 1: Before we bounce, we wanted to suggest some places where
Speaker 1: you could donate if you are looking to help people
Speaker 1: who are in Ashville other parts of North Carolina. One
Speaker 1: of the first places recommended to me is Appalachian Medical Solidarity.
Speaker 1: They are providing. I mean it's obvious what they're providing
Speaker 1: a lot of like medical care and support, a lot
Speaker 1: of equipment and stuff that people need. Their VENMO is
Speaker 1: at app med solid Their cash app is Dollar sign
Speaker 1: Streets one de put flood support in the description if
Speaker 1: you send them money through that. The other place is
Speaker 1: Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. Their PayPal is mutual Aid Disaster
Speaker 1: Relief at gmail dot com. Their venmo is at Mutual
Speaker 1: Aid Disaster Relief. Yeah, just google them if you want
Speaker 1: to find out more about what they're doing. James, did
Speaker 1: you have anyone else that you wanted to throw out there.
Speaker 3: Those are the two we did an episode I didn't
Speaker 3: episode a couple of years ago with Mutuladis after Relief
Speaker 3: that you can now find in your podcasting app. Those
Speaker 3: are the two big ones. I think, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're on the ground, help each other. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: already are. Yeah, yeah, those would be the two that
Speaker 3: I would suggest, you know, if you buy yourself your
Speaker 3: water filter and you have ten bucks to help out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how we make the world better?
Speaker 1: Yep. So until next week. Solidarity to the people who
Speaker 1: are in the Atlanta area right now where chemical fire,
Speaker 1: very similar chemical fire to the one that happened in
Speaker 1: a place I used to live West Texas, has just
Speaker 1: blanketed the air and beautiful. So remember, folks, weird disasters
Speaker 1: could hit too.
Speaker 3: We're living the dream.
Speaker 1: We're not just talking about hurricanes and fires here. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's it for now, everybody, Good luck, stay safe, make
Speaker 1: sure you drink plenty of water.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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