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Speaker 1: A zone Media. Hey, this is it could happen here.

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Speaker 1: I am Robert Evans. This is a podcast about things

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Speaker 1: falling apart. Most of this episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: me and James Stout discussing the disaster in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and elsewhere as a result of Hurricane Helene. But before

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Speaker 1: we get into that, and we'll be talking largely about

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Speaker 1: what this means for your own preparations for future disasters,

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Speaker 1: what we can kind of learn initially from everything that's

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Speaker 1: been happening. I wanted to start with a few minutes

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Speaker 1: of us talking to Margaret Kiljoy, who was on the

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Speaker 1: ground in the Asheville area doing disaster relief work right now.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the audio here is not up to our

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Speaker 1: usual quality, but it's only about five minutes, and then

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Speaker 1: you will get James and I talking crystal clear into

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Speaker 1: your ears. So here is Margaret.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone, I just got on the ground about two

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Speaker 2: hours ago and immediately have been basically running or with

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Speaker 2: my van delivering food to different places just because van

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Speaker 2: did van thing. And it's I mean, it's intense. Everyone

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Speaker 2: is having an intense time. But also at the same time,

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Speaker 2: there's like, you know, more people are out walking around

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Speaker 2: gathering at every place that's passing out food and water,

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Speaker 2: and there's a very kind of community spirit happening right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually recording this from up in Marshall, which is

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Speaker 2: a small town immediately north of Asheville that also has

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Speaker 2: a mutual Aid distribution hub. We just came up here

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Speaker 3: And just all the things that people need.

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Speaker 2: And everyone is trapped on basically little islands. Right There's

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Speaker 2: a very different style of flood than when you have

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Speaker 2: like a coastal flood. And what's happened is that the

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Speaker 2: houses that are near the river have been destroyed and

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Speaker 2: It's all the infrastructure is down, but many of the houses,

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Speaker 2: at least as I record this, seem to be intact

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Speaker 2: to filter back in, and we're hoping that some places

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Speaker 2: and so immediately the problem has been more about distribution

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Speaker 2: pulled a thousand gallons out of their well right away

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Speaker 2: just while I was waiting outside my friend's house, someone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, one of the things that makes

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Speaker 1: Yes, totally. It seems like it was also crucial and

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Speaker 2: And but one of the things that again I mean,

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you're talking about when we're thinking about the places

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Speaker 2: And one of the things also, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: that makes complete sense if you the listener are listening

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Speaker 1: Just roll to Ashville in your polaris.

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Speaker 3: One of the big asks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Margaret, I'm going to take up more of

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Speaker 1: with our previously recorded episode. Here is James and Me. Oh,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to it could happen here a podcast where

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Speaker 1: it's happened for some chunk of our listeners who are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly not below sea level or even at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an inland, mountainous community. It's just not the

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Speaker 1: And the devastation has been pretty total, like whole communities

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Speaker 3: Well after that you got smoke signals and pigeons right.

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Speaker 1: which I was kind of when I started. When I

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Speaker 1: got advice from a colleague about war reporting, like the best.

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Speaker 1: It's still to this day some of the best advice

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Speaker 1: I've ever got is two is one and one is none.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you have one way of doing something and a disaster,

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Speaker 1: you are very close to having no way of doing

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Speaker 1: it right, which brings me to transit because one of

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Speaker 1: the the thing that is probably going to wind up

447
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Speaker 1: being the defining characteristic of this disaster in memory is

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Speaker 1: the degree to which the ability to reach people in

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Speaker 1: an area that is we're not talking, you know. There

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Speaker 1: definitely are a lot of rural communities impacted by this,

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Speaker 1: but like Ashville is a significant place. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. We are not talking about people

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Speaker 1: living on the edge of the world, right, Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about like one of the what was what

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Speaker 1: was up to this point, one of like the hippest

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Speaker 1: and more popular parts of the northeast.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The immediacy with which the ability to reach people on

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Speaker 1: the ground was wiped out, and obviously while the storm

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Speaker 1: was going on, there was no way to reach them

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Speaker 1: from air. Like you know, a helicopter can get places now,

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Speaker 1: but during the worst of the flooding, you're not reliably

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Speaker 1: getting a fucking chopper into a lot of these places.

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Speaker 1: So people were stranded very quickly, much faster than they

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Speaker 1: had been prepared for. You should be thinking about like,

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Speaker 1: oh shit, I could get flooded, because you probably could.

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Speaker 1: Most of the people listening to this. There's not a

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Speaker 1: zero percent chance a freak storm floods your community, right,

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Speaker 1: even if it never has before. It's not exactly a

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Speaker 1: common problem in Asheville, right, the last massive flood thing

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Speaker 1: was like nineteen sixteen, So we're not talking about a

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Speaker 1: place that's used to flooding all the time. But likewise,

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Speaker 1: like it's not just flooding that fire could do this, right,

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Speaker 1: I am thinking the last kind of near disaster we

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Speaker 1: had where I was was in twenty twenty. You know

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Speaker 1: where I live right now. I am in the city

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Speaker 1: of Portland, and we were like three or four blocks

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Speaker 1: away from where the evacuation orders had spread during the

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Speaker 1: fires in twenty twenty. It was not a foregone conclusion

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Speaker 1: that they would stop before reaching the city. You know.

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Speaker 1: This is also I think people in southern California. Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: there's a shocking number of communities, communities with money that

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Speaker 1: are really built up that if a fire hit at

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Speaker 1: the wrong time of year, there's no stopping it. And like,

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Speaker 1: you need to be thinking about how am I preparing

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Speaker 1: to be informed during the seasons where this is like

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Speaker 1: of of highest likelihood, because the only real safety there

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Speaker 1: is paying attention to what's happening and building an understanding

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Speaker 1: of how quickly things can go badly so that you

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Speaker 1: get out ahead of time, because if the disaster just hits,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get on the highway and drive

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Speaker 1: through a fire or through a flood. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you have a fucking Safari snorkel. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: those waters. You are not getting the most kitted out

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Speaker 1: land rover on God's Green Earth was not getting through

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Speaker 1: some of those waters.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, you need a submarine fish. Like I

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Speaker 3: remember my house flooded when I was probably seventeen eighteen,

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Speaker 3: and I remember that. A couple of the things I remember,

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Speaker 3: first of all, was like, most of your shit is

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Speaker 3: not that important to you. I remember being seventeen and

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Speaker 3: being like, oh man, we got this back then. Having

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Speaker 3: a widescreen TV was a big deal for us, and

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Speaker 3: just yeah, then thinking like, oh, my name is an

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Speaker 3: eighty some like I fuck the TV. I need to

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Speaker 3: check of those people, okay. And then people completely overestimating

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Speaker 3: the capability of their vehicles in floodwater, yeah, which.

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Speaker 1: Which they always will do. It will always be the

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Speaker 1: people with the biggest trucks that cause the most problems

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Speaker 1: for everyone else to overestimate where their vehicles can get them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and like you can die in your vehicle crossing

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Speaker 3: relatively shallow floodwater. This isn't yeah, you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: serious business.

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Speaker 1: Or get burned to death, which happens all the time,

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Speaker 1: has happened very recently in communities in like California. You know,

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Speaker 1: people just get fucking incinerated. So don't be that person.

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Speaker 1: Pay attention. Like one of the things to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to is like when the warning started to come in.

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Speaker 1: There will be good breakdowns fairly soon in places like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times on when warnings came in and

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Speaker 1: how much time people actually had. Ye But don't gamble

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Speaker 1: with stuff like this. Fucking drive to high ground or

523
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Speaker 1: you know, drive to whatever seems like the safest place

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Speaker 1: and fucking in your car if you have to. And

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Speaker 1: this is why again, when it does come to survival stuff,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. If you have the money, spend

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Speaker 1: two hundred bucks on one of those buckets of dried food.

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Speaker 1: Because you can keep a bucket of dried food and

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Speaker 1: five gallons of water by the door. You can throw

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Speaker 1: that son of a bitch in your car, and carrying

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Speaker 1: the waters might be a pain in the ass, but

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Speaker 1: if you have to get out and run, those buckets

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Speaker 1: of dried food with a week or so of food

534
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Speaker 1: in them are not that hard to carry. You hold

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Speaker 1: it under your arm, you keep a backpack on your back,

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Speaker 1: and you run like a son of a bitch to

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Speaker 1: whatever evacuation exists, and you'll have some food with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, like this is one of the ways I

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Speaker 1: think about stuff like this. You know, it's obviously preferable

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Speaker 1: if you can just hunker down in your fucking house

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Speaker 1: full of gear and equipment. But I'm sure there were

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people who had to evac or

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Speaker 1: who got flooded out in Ashville and their house that

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Speaker 1: got flooded out was full of survival gear. I know

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Speaker 1: for a fact that that happened to people. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it happens everywhere to people, right happening. But what should

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Speaker 1: be happening right now is an advertising break? Oh shit,

548
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Speaker 1: should have happened ten fucking minutes ago, James. Yeah, but here,

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Speaker 1: but here we are. We're back.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to talking about like the degree to

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Speaker 1: which people's high tech and expensive equipment, including vehicles, has

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Speaker 1: run out very quickly, one of the stories that has

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Speaker 1: been most interesting to me is of like, one of

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Speaker 1: the first groups of people to be able to get

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Speaker 1: supplies and significant quantities to some of these isolated mountain

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Speaker 1: regions was a guy with a shitload of donkeys. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the mule team. The mule team guy. He was one second,

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Speaker 1: let me pull this up I've got this bookmarked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mountain mule Packer Ranch, which I'm guessing is just some

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Speaker 1: sort of like a you know, you go there to

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Speaker 1: vacation and do like mule trips, mule hights and stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of people who want to backpack or take

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Speaker 3: like a really luxury as camping set up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they've been doing mule trains into a town

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Speaker 1: call into a Weaverville. It looks like and yeah, like

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Speaker 1: a mule can carry. It's something at least based on

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Speaker 1: this people article I'm looking at, they're saying about two

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds of supplies per animal, which you know is

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Speaker 1: actually very significant. That's not a whole lot more than

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Speaker 1: you're going to be fitting in like a compact car

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Speaker 1: at least obviously a truck's carrying more. But you're not

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Speaker 1: getting a truck into a lot of these areas. And

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Speaker 1: it just kind of goes to I'm not saying like

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Speaker 1: everyone go buy a mule. That's not really practical for

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Speaker 1: most people, although if you've got some land, maybe consider

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Speaker 1: getting the mule. They're real handy. They do come in

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Speaker 1: very useful in situations like this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking companion animals as well. I think people haven't

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Speaker 3: felt like, if you have a hole or whatever, I'll

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Speaker 3: pack us too. But they can't carry so much, but

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Speaker 3: I'll pack. A packing is a thing, and in like Montana,

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Speaker 3: in places like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great. You know, if you've got to fight

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Speaker 1: in the mountains of Afghanistan a mule, you know you can.

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Speaker 1: You can do a lot there, So very useful in

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Speaker 1: a wide variety of situations. I know a lot of

588
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Speaker 1: our listeners are actively fighting in Afghanistan right now, so

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Speaker 1: that that could be very handy for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, proud of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. America said we're done there, but you said

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Speaker 1: not me.

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Speaker 3: It can happen here. You can't stop me going back

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Speaker 3: with my mule. That's why this is the official pocast

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Speaker 3: of the Islamic State Corusson Province.

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Speaker 1: That is that's that's uh, oh, James, we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: saying stuff. We can hopefully hopefully the government's busy.

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Speaker 3: Well apparently because they ain't doing ship in a Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, I saw a lot of One

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Speaker 1: of the more heartbreaking posts that I saw was this

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Speaker 1: this lady posting a picture of her parents and her

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Speaker 1: daughter who was six on the roof with them, and

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Speaker 1: she was like a few minutes later, the roofs and

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Speaker 1: they were dead. Like she apparently managed to just kind

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Speaker 1: of barely survive and get out of there. But there's

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Speaker 1: there's like I'm I think a lot of people whose

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Speaker 1: last act was trying to get a good photo or

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Speaker 1: video of their location, you know, to post on social media.

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Speaker 1: I don't want there to be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who made the decision to stay longer than they should

611
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Speaker 1: have because they wanted to get a good shot for

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Speaker 1: social media. But I'm sure that number wasn't zero. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's what happened to that lady. There's also

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Speaker 1: a matter of like, well, if you are stuck up there,

615
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Speaker 1: what else are you going to fucking do but document it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have some sympathy for that. Yeah, I'm not trying

617
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Speaker 1: to shit on these people, but it is one of

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Speaker 1: these there's that post that goes around every time there's

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Speaker 1: a disaster like this, where you know, climate collapse is

620
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Speaker 1: watching a series of horrifying videos on cell phones until

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Speaker 1: one day it's you holding the phone. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think that that not that we shouldn't think about, Like

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Speaker 1: what's happened, you know, to North Carolina, to Tennessee, to

624
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Speaker 1: these affected communities. There's places in Georgia that got hard hit.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's a focus. But from a practical standpoint, the

626
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Speaker 1: only good that you can make of a disaster like

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Speaker 1: this is to try and pay attention to what happened,

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Speaker 1: to what went wrong for other people, and make yourself

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Speaker 1: less vulnerable, because the less vulnerable you are one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we see every time there's something like

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Speaker 1: this hits, you know, and this is I would call

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Speaker 1: this a hand of God event. Right, You had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of communities that were a part of the developed,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever term first world one day, and we're

635
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Speaker 1: completely cut off from everyone else on the planet the next.

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Speaker 1: And all you can really do in the immediate aftermath

637
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Speaker 1: of something like that is try to figure out what

638
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Speaker 1: can I do to make it less likely that I'm

639
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Speaker 1: a strain on resources during an event like this, And

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Speaker 1: obviously the best way is to not be there, because

641
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Speaker 1: then you're not a strain on resources. But the next

642
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Speaker 1: best thing is to have to pay attention to what

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00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: went wrong for other people and try to make yourself

644
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Speaker 1: less vulnerable to that, because not only does that protect you,

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00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: but you protect other people by not needing the resources

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Speaker 1: that rescuers can bring to bear, which will be terribly

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Speaker 1: limited in the immediate wake of the disaster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like in terms of resources, I'll see

649
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Speaker 3: Margaret does an excellent podcast quuredly if the world is dying,

650
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: we can hear more about that stuff. I think the

651
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Speaker 3: thing that you can buy, I guess right now, if

652
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Speaker 3: you have like thirty to fifty bucks and you want

653
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Speaker 3: to be a little bit more repared, because I understand

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Speaker 3: that for some people this will be an oh shit

655
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Speaker 3: moment right where this is something that it ought to be. Yeah, no,

656
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: it really should be. Like you know, you've seen a

657
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: city that thought it was completely invulnerable be very vulnerable.

658
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: You can buy a Sooyer squeeze for like thirty bucks

659
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: right now. You can set them up in a off

660
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: a five gullon bucket yep, or you can use the

661
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: bag that it comes with. You can buy a back

662
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: from a company called Cannock CNOC, which is a much

663
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: better bag. I would recommend that. But like you can

664
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: spend thirty bucks. The like we said before, you should

665
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: have backup and other water filtering options. But yeah, there

666
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: are whole countries that use Soyer squeezes, right, the Marshall Islands.

667
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: I made a thing about Liberia uses in too, And

668
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: you can filter rain water with that, and you could

669
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: pretty much have a supply of water for as long

670
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: as you need it if you backflush it.

671
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Right, You've got like a family of four and a house.

672
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: You have one or two five gallon buckets full at

673
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: any time, and you have a Soyer squeeze, and you

674
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: can you know, in this kind of situation, you could

675
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: keep filling it up with you know, disaster water for

676
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: lack of a better word. And in that sort of

677
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: situation too, you can double up and triple up, which

678
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I always recommend in an emergency. I've nearly diet of dysentery,

679
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: so I don't fuck around with this. Yea, get a

680
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: filtration option that's not the only one. Filter your water

681
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: and add iodine tablets too, right, like you know, filter

682
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: your water and use something like a UV light, Yeah,

683
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: a stiry pan, stirry pan. You know, don't just rely

684
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: on one method. Double up, there's no You're not going

685
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: to have a lot to do other than make sure

686
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: your water doesn't kill you. And that's a real good

687
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: thing to focus on.

688
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could even use bleachhouse help bleach. Just make

689
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: sure you're leach sucking around, it's not scented, et cetera.

690
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, you want to look up that ratio just

691
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: or not fucking up the ratio with them. But like, yeah,

692
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: that's a great you know, I keep a I usually

693
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: keep one or two, just big fifty gallon barrels of water.

694
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: There's like stabilization tablets or in liquid that you can

695
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: drop in there because water doesn't store indefinitely. But you

696
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: can use bleach too. People do I keep at all times.

697
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: I just have this as part of my outdoor kit,

698
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: but it's a good thing to have for a disaster.

699
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: You can have a camelback with one company that makes

700
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: them as called Catadin Kata d Ynn Catadyne. Yeah, Catadyne. Sorry,

701
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: but there's a couple of different water filters that you

702
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: can screw directly onto your camelback. So you pour water

703
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: in the camel back and by the time you get

704
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: the water in your mouth, it has gone through a

705
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: very serious filter arrangement. And that again, that can be

706
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: part of your I pick this up and I take

707
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: this with me, and no matter where I go, I

708
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: couldn't pour water into the camel back and me and

709
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: my family can drink off of it, or we have

710
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: two camelbacks or whatever. You know, I have four lids

711
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: on you. This is not free, but it's not prohibitively expensive.

712
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: It's certainly not like buying nice firearms, right, and it

713
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: is considerably likelier to save your life than an AAR fifty.

714
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there are magazines of ammunition that will cost

715
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: you more than this would. And like yeah, yeah, with

716
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: all of these things, once it's dirty, it's not clean, right,

717
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: So like your camelback bladder is now dirty water bladder

718
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: and stuff, especially in a disaster situation, don't be mixing

719
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: a match. Just get a sharpie and run and it. Likewise,

720
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 3: I have a Jerry can. I just wrote the bleach

721
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: amounts on it with a paint pen and it's there now,

722
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: And now I know, like none of this stuff is

723
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: hugely complicated, and like everything else, right, like the more

724
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: familiar you are with it, that if you go camping

725
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, like Robert was saying, you already have

726
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: a system in place, so you're already ready for that.

727
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep something called a grail on me, which

728
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: is just like a cup that has a filter. Like

729
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: it's a two part like almost kind of a thermos

730
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: type deal, and you fill the bottom part with water

731
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: and you press the top part in and it fills

732
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: an internal reservoir with filtered water. And then I'll drop

733
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: a tablet in there or something and you know, or

734
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: I'll pour that into a larger thing and put the

735
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: tablet in there. But you can always have multiple options

736
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: for water. And it's the kind of thing where like

737
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: there's no reason not to a camelback and a filter

738
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: plus a bunch of pills, plus some sort of like

739
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: canned pump rig you're maybe out one hundred and fifty bucks.

740
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: You have three different methods of keeping your water clean.

741
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're surtplusing out a lot of the

742
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: MSR Guardians the US military used to buy. You can

743
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: get those pretty tech. Those are great, like I have.

744
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: I was just in the dairying gap. I used one

745
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: of those and then chemical treatment and like yeah, I'm okay.

746
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: And you can also bulk process with the gravity Guardian.

747
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: You could do ten liters at a time.

748
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're in this kind of conversation. We are

749
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: tree by what we think is the most important stuff

750
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: which is in a disaster like this, water in comms,

751
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: and I kind of keep those as relatively equal because obviously,

752
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: like you can survive without comms in some situations, yeah,

753
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and you can't in any without water. But if you

754
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: are in a situation where you're on the roof of

755
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: your house and your roof is not going to hold

756
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: out much longer in the floodwaters, colms suddenly become the

757
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: number one problem that you have, right your inability to

758
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: reach someone who might be able to get you out

759
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: of there.

760
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: If you need to get help, then you need to

761
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: be able to ask for help. Yeah, I guess the

762
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: other thing I would say is if you rely on

763
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: any medicine, think about how and where you store them. God.

764
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of people have been having to figure out,

765
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: Like I've been reading stories about people needing to set

766
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: up like battery and solar or generator situation, like their

767
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: fucking seapap machines, and they're like, you have people who

768
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: are on dialysis who are going to need to get

769
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: evacked because there's not going to be reliable dialysis you know,

770
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: in town in a while, right, Like.

771
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff some of that, you know, like

772
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: I have a big cooler and I can chuck ice

773
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: in there, and I can have enough insulin in that

774
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: bad boy for a year, you know. Yeah, another medicines,

775
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: you know, he's putting them in a waterproof bottle and

776
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: having that in your We I live in California. We

777
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: have a bag for fires and earthquakes, right everyone here does.

778
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: And just having a few days of your medicine so

779
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: you can grab and go. You don't have to think

780
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: about it. You don't forget something that you rely on.

781
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's also what you should be thinking,

782
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: is like, if it takes me two or three days

783
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: to get evact and out to an area where I

784
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: can like spend money again to get access to the

785
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: things that I have on a daily basis, what shit

786
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: can't I survive without until I get to a part

787
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: of the world where I can get access to things again,

788
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: right right, Which is again why we're kind of focusing

789
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: on comms so that you know what's happening, so that

790
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: you can maybe reach people water and then underwater like

791
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: food and obviously things like thank god we are not

792
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: in a time of the year when this happened where

793
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: people are going to like freeze to death immediately right

794
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of something like this. But that would

795
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I would say, like access to warm and dry clothing

796
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: could be up there, equal with you know, water and cobs.

797
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: If you're talking about a kind of disaster that might

798
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: put people out of their homes in an area where

799
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: you can die in minutes in the front, like if

800
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: you live out in the fucking Great Lakes region, depending

801
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: on the time of year, we're talking about a disaster

802
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: that could be right up there. You know, you know

803
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: what you need based on where you live, but be

804
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: thinking about what keeps you alive. That's really a lot

805
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: of disaster preparedness is actually trying to understand what is

806
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: it that keeps me alive. A lot of our economy

807
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: exists in having that not be obvious to you.

808
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, in putting your priority selfwhere. But yeah,

809
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: think about what stuffs you dying. Maybe have a couple

810
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: of spats and have it in a place. Having all

811
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: this stuff is great, if it's in seventeen different tote

812
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: bags in your attic, that's not much use to you

813
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: when you don't have very long to get out your house.

814
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: So having stuff like Robert said, by the door in

815
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: your car, in a backpack whatever, like, yeah, that you

816
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: can easily access and be okay. Then you have it

817
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: and then you when you need it, it's there and

818
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: you know where it is.

819
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

820
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 3: Yep, well James, how we do it. It's happened here, buddy,

821
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: It's happened here. Yeah, like we said it would.

822
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah it could like could, Like we keep saying this.

823
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: This was like I the messages I was sharing with

824
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: people immediately after this was like, oh, this is the one.

825
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: This is the one we were worried about. This is

826
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: the hand of God sweeping into a community and just

827
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: knocking it off the edge of the earth.

828
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

829
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, not that this kind of thing doesn't happen,

830
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: but this is this is the first one, at least

831
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: since I've been really focusing on this stuff in the

832
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: US where it hits somewhere that just was not on

833
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: my radar as a super vulnerable place.

834
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah. And it'll happen again next year and with

835
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: this one.

836
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: It'll happen again. Yeah, and it'll surprise you. It'll surprise

837
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: you again where it hits. You know, that's the thing.

838
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: There's no climate haven. Yeah, it doesn't exist.

839
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not on this planet. I would say, like,

840
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: if you have money and you want to help mutu

841
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: late disaster relief for.

842
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: Great, Yes, let's talk about that. Let's go to ADS

843
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: one last time, and then when we come back we

844
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: will tell you who you can send some money to

845
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: to help people who are actively suffering and we're back.

846
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Before we bounce, we wanted to suggest some places where

847
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: you could donate if you are looking to help people

848
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: who are in Ashville other parts of North Carolina. One

849
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: of the first places recommended to me is Appalachian Medical Solidarity.

850
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: They are providing. I mean it's obvious what they're providing

851
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: a lot of like medical care and support, a lot

852
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: of equipment and stuff that people need. Their VENMO is

853
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: at app med solid Their cash app is Dollar sign

854
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: Streets one de put flood support in the description if

855
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: you send them money through that. The other place is

856
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. Their PayPal is mutual Aid Disaster

857
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: Relief at gmail dot com. Their venmo is at Mutual

858
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Aid Disaster Relief. Yeah, just google them if you want

859
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: to find out more about what they're doing. James, did

860
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: you have anyone else that you wanted to throw out there.

861
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: Those are the two we did an episode I didn't

862
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: episode a couple of years ago with Mutuladis after Relief

863
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: that you can now find in your podcasting app. Those

864
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: are the two big ones. I think, you know, if

865
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: you're on the ground, help each other. I'm sure you

866
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: already are. Yeah, yeah, those would be the two that

867
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: I would suggest, you know, if you buy yourself your

868
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: water filter and you have ten bucks to help out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how we make the world better?

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Speaker 1: Yep. So until next week. Solidarity to the people who

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Speaker 1: are in the Atlanta area right now where chemical fire,

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Speaker 1: very similar chemical fire to the one that happened in

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Speaker 1: a place I used to live West Texas, has just

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Speaker 1: blanketed the air and beautiful. So remember, folks, weird disasters

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Speaker 1: could hit too.

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Speaker 3: We're living the dream.

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Speaker 1: We're not just talking about hurricanes and fires here. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's it for now, everybody, Good luck, stay safe, make

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Speaker 1: sure you drink plenty of water.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: It could happen.

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Speaker 3: Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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