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Speaker 1: Hither, folks, it is Saturday, December twenty seventh. And no, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: I am not Barack Obama. And no ma'am, I don't

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Speaker 1: often get mistaken for Barack Obama. It's just you who

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Speaker 1: can't tell one light skin brother from another. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this, y'all all look alike episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ Robes. Not the episode we planned on doing necessarily.

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Speaker 1: But is this a fun funny topic? Y'all all look alike?

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Speaker 2: We've all familiar.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and look I think it's only it's funny

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Speaker 3: in that it's alarming and all you can do is

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Speaker 3: laugh at a certain point, because what are you gonna

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Speaker 3: do about it? I mean, your other choice is to

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Speaker 3: be angry and offended, which is well within your right,

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Speaker 3: but you chose to laugh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are going to get into that. What

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Speaker 1: you just said, what do you do about it? There

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Speaker 1: is something that can be done about it. So folks,

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Speaker 1: ask yourself, have you ever found yourself in that position

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Speaker 1: to where you mixed up a couple of folks from

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Speaker 1: a minority group, a couple of Asian women, You can't

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Speaker 1: tell the difference a couple of black guys.

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Speaker 2: You don't know. They all look alike. Have you done that?

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Speaker 1: Now? I'll ask you first before we get into this

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Speaker 1: incident that prompted this episode. Do you think you have

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Speaker 1: ever done that before? Maybe not even said it to

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Speaker 1: somebody's face, but even maybe internally or you mixed up.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I have, yes, I mean I don't.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of a specific example, but I would

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I have.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people have.

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Speaker 1: And some people will immediately point to racism, and this

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Speaker 1: is what came out of and that word came out

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Speaker 1: immediately after an incident we had at the airport.

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Speaker 2: We'll explain, folks.

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Speaker 1: We are on a trip, me, Robes and the girls

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Speaker 1: at least Ava and Sabine.

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Speaker 2: So we were in.

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday airport lounge. I don't even know if we

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Speaker 1: know if it matters, but the point is we're sitting

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Speaker 1: in the lounge all kind of lined up on this cushion, bitch,

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Speaker 1: just enjoying ourselves, eating our food, drinking Ama Moosa's, and

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Speaker 1: a woman as we were talking, Robes interrupts us. As

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Speaker 2: You take it from it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it began rudely because you were actually winding up

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Speaker 3: to tell me something. I was really I couldn't wait

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Speaker 3: to hear You're like, Okay, I had this idea and

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Speaker 3: don't you know, don't know judge right away, but I

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Speaker 3: into it, leaning in, and this woman just started saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, we thought you were Barack Obama, and you

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Speaker 3: she cut us off. She didn't say excuse me, or

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Speaker 3: she didn't wait for us to finish talking. She just

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Speaker 3: blurted out she couldn't wait to tell you that. Her husband,

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Speaker 3: she went on to say, was convinced you were Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: To the point that this woman got up and walked

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think he was off to the line, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: she and she just couldn't wait to tell you that.

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Speaker 4: She told him, no, I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: Is Barack Obama, because look, he's thin, he's thinner and

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Speaker 3: and that's why you couldn't be Barack Obama.

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Speaker 4: And you just had a smile on your face. You said, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: She's like, you must get that all the time, and

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Speaker 3: you said and you just looked at her. She's like,

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Speaker 3: I don't, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: And she then got upset, and she got upset that you.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't acknowledge or validate the fact that she's was convinced

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Speaker 4: All the time she was.

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Speaker 1: Got flustered by the idea that we wouldn't go along

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Speaker 1: I never my tone never changed. I actually got happier

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Speaker 1: talking to her because I was toying with her, and

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Speaker 1: the reason is that, really, you think Barack Obama is

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Speaker 1: United Lounge. Okay, First, he's not. Second, I am sitting

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Speaker 1: and you really think me and Barack, Yes, you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's stepping out on the shell with a white

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Speaker 4: Two white daughters. He's just you know, he's adopted them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you haven't heard a lot, but that's all been

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Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: So this ridiculous conversation is going on. And it went

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Speaker 1: on longer than it should have because I was giving

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Speaker 4: Correct you.

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Speaker 3: You kept toying with her, and she kept getting frustrated.

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Speaker 3: She's like, are you messing with me? Are you messing

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Speaker 4: Come on?

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Speaker 3: You know people do tell you that, right, and you

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Speaker 3: not really, I'm here with three white women, so no,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't happen. She actually looked at me at one point.

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Speaker 4: I'm just witnessing it all. She said you should break

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Speaker 3: She was so annoyed that you wouldn't play along with

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Speaker 1: So still I'm laughing, and I'm happy and we still

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Speaker 2: I never got upset.

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Speaker 1: The woman finally walks away in this incident, again longer

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Speaker 1: some members of our party immediately looked, and the word

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Speaker 1: racism came up, saying, isn't that a little.

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Speaker 2: Racist what she just did.

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think much of it at the time,

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Speaker 1: but it brings up robes, of course, something we all

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Speaker 1: we all are aware of this idea that they all

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Speaker 1: look alike.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they all look alike. Who are they?

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes as black folks, they all look alike. So is

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Speaker 1: It's not racism. Now, racism can get involved in this,

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Speaker 2: Or own race bias is how they refer to them.

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Speaker 2: And what we're talking. Doesn't this make sense?

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Speaker 1: Though it's harder for people of one race to identify

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Speaker 4: In your brain. Your brain's wired that way.

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Speaker 2: That does make sense.

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Speaker 1: We are born and the first people we see or

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Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 3: That does if you think about all the things that

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Speaker 4: I believe it's like ten or eleven.

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Speaker 3: You can't say you're ours if you're Asian the way

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Speaker 3: You literally cannot get your brain to unform whatever connection

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Speaker 1: It is in the brain, but they what happens is

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Speaker 1: Why because the white kid is in the majority group

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Speaker 1: there's this historical figure.

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Speaker 2: That they're teaching me about.

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Speaker 1: We get more access if you will make even looking

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Speaker 1: at movies and whatnot, you we are accustomed to studying

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: And the other thing for white folks that they, again

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Speaker 1: research says here is that you all start to register

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Speaker 2: Ears could be.

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Speaker 1: I know, all the features of black folks are different.

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Speaker 2: Does that makes sense?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it does.

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Speaker 2: So we haven't hit racism yet necessarily, right.

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Speaker 4: No, it's exposure.

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Speaker 3: And I mean in that sense you could say that

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Speaker 3: that does lead to something that maybe isn't intentional, but

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Speaker 3: it's still a byproduct of Man.

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Speaker 1: You are nailing it right now, what the research says,

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Speaker 1: you are going through loves with this research that's going

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Speaker 1: Now hear this a very important studying done out in

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Speaker 1: California in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: White people were.

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Speaker 1: Shown this is going to mess you up sebeing white people,

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Speaker 1: I mean sabine ropes. White people are shown photos of

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Speaker 2: Get this, and this They put them through in an MRI.

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Speaker 4: And how can I do better?

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Speaker 2: You woke now? Huh?

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Speaker 4: Oh God? Why did I use the W word?

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Speaker 2: Every day, that happens too often.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is just sucks to be in

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine because you yeah, I was just

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Speaker 1: Robes, stay here, not Robes. I know you're staying here.

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Speaker 1: Y'all all looklike episode of Amy and TJ Robes that

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't remember the last time it used

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Speaker 3: But still you don't look anything alike. Wat you have

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Speaker 2: That's it, you know.

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Speaker 1: The thing I used to say when I was when

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Speaker 1: I've only another time gotten Barack Obama. And that was

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Speaker 4: Look nothing like Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: You know the response I gave, I said, I'm much

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Speaker 4: Oh that is what you told the woman. Yes, she

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Speaker 3: She was so confused, and she actually was thinking like

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Speaker 1: I said, Oh, somethime, Barack Obam, clearly I'm much better dressed.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you.

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Speaker 1: Are the other guy.

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Speaker 2: You won't know his name, but you'll know his face.

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Speaker 1: Probably more recently and more often than Don Lemon in

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Speaker 2: That name to me. The black guy from CSI.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, that's I just why do people need

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. He just

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Speaker 3: But maybe it's because they know, I actually think because

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Speaker 2: So that there you go.

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Speaker 1: Sami ol Jackson went off like, yeah, we got black

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Speaker 1: Their official Twitter account posted that and put out the

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Speaker 1: And another ugly incident Daniel Kalua Colujah from he was

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Speaker 1: you feel about being directed by Regina Regina King directed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to apologize later And the famous one

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Speaker 1: high profile ones happened, but they hurt well.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny you asked me and I

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Speaker 3: just remembered something because it's similar to what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: This happened a Good Morning America when I was doing

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Speaker 3: the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Simone Biles.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, oh you remember this, yes, So we go to

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Speaker 3: bed and my producer, thank god.

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Speaker 4: We had recorded Simone Biles, Simone Biles.

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Speaker 3: They put Jordan Childs in the video, lining up with

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Speaker 3: me saying Simone Biles and my producer I'm talking for

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Speaker 3: minutes before it was supposed to air, caught that the

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Speaker 3: overnight editor did not know the difference between Simone Biles

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Speaker 3: and Jordan Chiles uh and switched the video and that

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Speaker 3: would have been Can you imagine if that had aired

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Speaker 3: on Good Morning America with me saying Simone Biles and

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Speaker 3: the audience seeing Jordan Chiles.

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Speaker 2: I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I kind of remember him now. So throughout your career,

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Speaker 1: I know there's been so many incidents like that behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, of mixing people up.

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Speaker 2: And almost getting on the air. Get on the air.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I had another co anchor accidentally say Jesse Jackson

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Speaker 3: Junior when it was actually El Sharpton.

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Speaker 4: That was tough. That was tough. Yeah, that was really tough.

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Speaker 4: And I think it was.

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Speaker 3: Before the internet was crazy, otherwise that would be on

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Speaker 3: YouTube right now.

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Speaker 1: So look, I am not offended. I got a little

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Speaker 1: I was having fun with it. We went a good move.

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Speaker 1: We're vacationing, so maybe she called me at a good time,

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Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily get offended by it. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting that we have to admit she wasn't

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Speaker 1: willing to admit that she made a mistake and why

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Speaker 1: she made it. If she didn that we could have

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Speaker 1: had a meaningful conversation.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay. I'm not mad.

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Speaker 1: She didn't see anything about me that said anger, So

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Speaker 1: it's it's okay, but we b it sucks that we

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Speaker 1: get put in the position that we have to make

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Speaker 1: her feel better about what she did.

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Speaker 4: It's a good way to put it. And you know

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Speaker 4: it's interesting too.

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Speaker 3: Is this has been a fascinating conversation and fascinating to

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Speaker 3: hear the research behind it.

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Speaker 4: And I hope that white people can.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this who are listening and say not to

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Speaker 3: say do I do that, but recognize when you're meeting someone,

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Speaker 3: when you're looking at people, just recognize that there might

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Speaker 3: just be something in you that needs to be corrected,

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Speaker 3: that needs to be refocused, that needs to be aware.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is I I am so appreciative

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Speaker 3: of actually seeing what happened yesterday and then seeing and

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Speaker 3: hearing the research you just gave me and saying, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I can do better. I can recognize that this is

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Speaker 3: an issue. Because you asked me, do people mistake you

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Speaker 3: for someone else? And I said, no, people tell me

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Speaker 3: I look like. Has anyone ever said you look like?

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Speaker 3: But no one's ever said I swore it was this

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Speaker 3: person or that person, or you were someone else, or

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Speaker 3: don't you get that all the time.

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Speaker 4: No, I have not had that experience.

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Speaker 2: And we need to be clear here.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of research out there shows that any racial group

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Speaker 1: can have that kind of bias, but it is overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: weighted towards white folks.

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Speaker 2: First, just simply waited.

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Speaker 1: But you add to that the fact that we have

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Speaker 1: majority white spaces. Yes, and they don't have to improve,

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Speaker 1: don't have to get better, don't have to And that

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Speaker 1: is why the focus in the research so often has

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Speaker 1: been specifically on white folks in the majority group.

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Speaker 4: Yep, and that does make sense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you just I have a list here, how

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Speaker 1: can you do something about it? I think you actually

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Speaker 1: have already on your own hit.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: The first thing first, I have written down here, give

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Speaker 1: a shit care enough to pay attention to dig deeper

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Speaker 1: about individual Why you should do that with anybody, no

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Speaker 1: matter what race.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Meaningful interactions can help.

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Speaker 4: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Take time have a.

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Speaker 1: Meaningful conversation with somebody beyond just somebody taking your order

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Speaker 1: that happens to be a minority, or somebody checking you

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Speaker 1: out at the grocery store that happens to be a minority,

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Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Do that the other one,

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Speaker 1: studying someone's face, like actually being conscious of it, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, the other thing, being thoughtful can help. And

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Speaker 1: look at your friend group, look at your friend group.

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Speaker 1: If you're constantly around people that don't look like you,

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Speaker 1: you are caring about someone, you are studying them, you

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Speaker 1: are caring enough to notice their features and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Look at your friend group.

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Speaker 1: That can help a lot because you'll have meaningful interactions

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Speaker 1: obviously with people of other races, and that can help.

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Speaker 2: But take a look at your friend group.

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Speaker 4: I love that, you know.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's something that happened that wasn't traumatic in any way,

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Speaker 3: but it but it.

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Speaker 4: Was interesting, and it certainly was a moment.

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Speaker 3: And I love when you can take a moment like

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Speaker 3: that and recognize something and learn something.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: So maybe I appreciate the incident that occurred because.

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Speaker 4: I learned something.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing. We had no idea and had no plan.

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Speaker 1: We were on vacation, we.

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Speaker 3: Were delayed, we had a flight delay. We wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: been there if the flight hadn't been delayed. We were wow, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, we got there with enough time, and then

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it get we got delayed by

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Speaker 3: over an hour at least at the airport and then

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Speaker 3: another hour on the tarmac. But yeah, that was and

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Speaker 3: he gave us good content that delay gave us a

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Speaker 3: really something good to talk about and something to think about,

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Speaker 3: and I appreciate.

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Speaker 4: I always love learning something new about.

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating how we work, why we do what we do,

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Speaker 3: and we always can do better.

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Speaker 1: Well, Folks, always appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: Over now for my dear Amy Lack, I am Barack,

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Speaker 1: don DJ, Gary whatever you want to call me. When

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Speaker 1: you see me out there, Folks, just say hello and

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Speaker 1: be nice.

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Speaker 2: I'd appreciate it. But we appreciate you listening to us

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Speaker 2: as always. What's talk about it