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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insider's alongside Dude Batiques to Ian

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Speaker 1: or Appleport and Mike Girafolo, I am compeld with zero.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of our Monday YouTube show and

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Speaker 1: podcast vision. As always, the order doesn't matter. You can

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Speaker 1: listen to part two first and then go back in

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Speaker 1: part one. Don't feel like you need to click off

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Speaker 1: this right now, although before we get into the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Bengals game and a whole lot more. I know Ian

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Speaker 1: wants to tell a story that we have to do

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Speaker 1: with part one, so try to make it as contextual

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Speaker 1: as you possibly can.

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Speaker 2: Right, Let's assume that everyone listened to part one, which

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Speaker 2: why would you not?

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Speaker 1: We were talking about I just said there.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about how it looks like Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: doesn't like to get hit anymore, or sort of like

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Speaker 2: forgot how bad it is and now hates it. One

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Speaker 2: of the more interesting experiences I had was it was

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Speaker 2: when I used to go from Dallas to Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: every week for a game day morning back when I

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Speaker 2: lived in Dallas, and at some point it was the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys were on a bye week, and so I was, oh,

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Speaker 2: hold on one second, I have to tweet something.

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Speaker 1: You guys talk, great story.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rockham Forbes got claimed by the Rams. So I'll

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Speaker 2: tweet it and I'll tell you the story.

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Speaker 1: Just not important enough.

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Speaker 2: That's important, all right, anybody else? Sorry now I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, I'm back now. So anyway, so

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the plane next to Tony Romo, and

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Speaker 2: at that point Romo was, uh, still with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: but kind of old, and we're talking about older quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and what happens or whatever, and he had done studies

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Speaker 2: on older quarterbacks and was basically like, here's what I see.

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Speaker 2: It's like you start to hate to get hit, and

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Speaker 2: you realize that it hurts a lot, and your body's

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Speaker 2: older and it's just terrible, and you hate to get hit.

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Speaker 2: And so what happens is, because you don't like to

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Speaker 2: not like two seconds faster, it's like a split second faster.

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Speaker 2: And so because you hate to get hit because it hurts,

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Speaker 2: you get rid of the ball a little bit faster.

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Speaker 2: Guys are a little less open, so your completion percentage

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Speaker 2: goes from like sixty, which at that point was pretty

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Speaker 2: good to like fifty six, and then the next season

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Speaker 2: it gets to like fifty three, and you slowly become

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Speaker 2: less accurate because you hate holding the ball because you

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Speaker 2: And I thought that was really interesting, and I've never

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Speaker 2: forgot it, and I kind of wonder if that is

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Speaker 2: what Aaron Rodgers is going through anyway, That is my story.

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Speaker 1: Flip side of that, Russell Wilson's an old guy, Judy,

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Speaker 1: and yet we're seeing him play the best football that

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Speaker 1: he has in a number of years. He is doing

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Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson used to do, not in terms of

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Speaker 1: the extending the plays, but he's still it's not, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's always been good at not taking the big hit.

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Speaker 1: You can go back through his entire career, the ability

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Speaker 1: But Mike Tomlin was right, let's start there. Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: best case scenario, I don't know that putting up forty

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Speaker 1: it was necessarily the test scenario he was thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson was actually moving pretty well too this week,

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Speaker 3: I mean it was like four hundred and fourteen yards passing.

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Speaker 3: much more than Tomlin or Arthur Smith could ever have

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Speaker 3: even using justin fields in that one snippet was the

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Speaker 3: He took the blame for it today said it's entirely

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Speaker 4: But it's clearly not all on him.

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Speaker 3: They do not have the players that they once did

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Speaker 4: But an offense that productive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I thought about this yesterday. If bo Nicks

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Speaker 5: because it's not just I think we expected, and I

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Speaker 5: what we're what we've seen from the beginning when he

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Speaker 5: it's been quite impressive to see what he's been able

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Speaker 2: is a six week injury, no surgery, so he is

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Speaker 2: but bad. In addition, Jordan Mason as a high ancho spring.

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Speaker 1: When Jordan Mason dropped out briefly as day but they

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Speaker 1: said it was concussion evaluation, right, So now you're talking

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Speaker 1: about Isaac Grendo stepping in here. You know their additional

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Speaker 1: many times. But six weeks it is week thirteen. Let's

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Speaker 1: do the math you're talking about, and Kyle Shannan's words

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Speaker 1: could even have hope of Christian McCaffrey coming back. So certainly,

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Speaker 1: for everybody out there doing the math on fantasy, that's over.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be coming back to help your team.

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Speaker 1: But for the forty nine Ers, your best player is

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Speaker 1: like the Seahawks are a team that continues to get

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Speaker 1: I watched you know that Vikings Cardinals game yesterday. The

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Speaker 1: that Kyler got touched until the fourth quarter. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's still a team that's young. Maybe they're not quite

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Speaker 1: comes out of the NFC West Judy is you know

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Speaker 1: an open question the forty nine Ers. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: Don't forget the Rams, right.

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Speaker 1: And everybody's still in it. We got three divisions right

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Speaker 1: now that are complete messes, the NFC West, the NFC South,

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Speaker 1: on the NFC West, Judy, this is it's still open.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks need to be playing the best football at

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Speaker 3: I would have to look at the schedules, maybe Blake

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Speaker 3: got the the easiest path?

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Speaker 5: But Niners are bad.

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Speaker 3: Niners I know have a very tough schedule and their.

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Speaker 4: Situation, but I don't know about the rest of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Cardinals have the easiest. Just to give you the I

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Speaker 5: looked at this earlier. Cardinals is pretty much easiest.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I would not That's okay, I would not make.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't discount the Rams who went through that stretch

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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't, you know, like I feel like we

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Speaker 4: Them, right they have.

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Speaker 3: I think the quarterback that Kyler's been playing really well

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Speaker 3: and Gino has been playing really well. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think you still trust Matthew Stafford more than you

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Speaker 3: certainly you know you trust the coaching staff. So I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't count them out. That is going to just be

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Speaker 3: a race to the finish. That's a and of course

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Speaker 3: they're mostly playing high level football as opposed to you

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Speaker 3: you know it's just like a game of Survivor at

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Speaker 3: this point, Well.

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Speaker 1: What about the FC south Ian Because the Falcons yesterday

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Speaker 1: Chargers are the Chargers are the sneaky team for sure

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Speaker 1: still growing into that mentality. You know that they've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of talent. They clearly created some chaos for

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in that game where he's making uncharacteristic types

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Speaker 1: a quarterback away. That's the elephant in the room. And

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Speaker 1: we're never gonna be drafting this high again. So we're

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Speaker 1: also gonna go out and get Michael Pennix. Raheem Morris

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Speaker 1: very quickly shot down any idea of Kirk Cousins being benched,

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Speaker 1: which I think makes it easier the fact that Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins this week is coming to Minnesota to face his

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Speaker 1: to put a big game on his former team. But

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Speaker 1: that division too. We know Tampa's got a pretty soft

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Speaker 2: Well, so let's talk about So let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: Falcons a little bit, right, because all of the stuff

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Speaker 2: Pennix and with Kirk, and then it's like what happens

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Speaker 1: Well, and they knew that when they dragged to Michael Pennix.

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Speaker 1: Wrong.

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Speaker 5: When I gathered, not one of them is the Ravens

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Speaker 5: And then if he continues to strut, then they signed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the red the red flag. That's why the Panthers

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Speaker 1: If the playoffs began today, your AFC matchups would be

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Speaker 3: So to me, you've got to hire somebody who can

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Speaker 3: also the sort of leader of men type, that's the

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Speaker 3: catchphrase in the NFL, Leader of Men. If he were

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Speaker 3: sort of like the Mike Tomlin kind of coach who

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Speaker 3: to me, mostly it's like you, I mean, just please

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Speaker 3: hire somebody who is going to be good for Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: And it's a very small sample size, but we saw

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Speaker 3: what Dave Canalis, who at the time like sort of

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Speaker 3: which as it turned out, was the right thing to do,

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Speaker 3: and is now getting the best football we've seen from

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young in the NFL. So you know, hire somebody

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Speaker 3: like that who can who can mesh with Caleb and

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Speaker 3: the offensive players and get that offense going. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: this makes me very nervous I'll just say that.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, when you if you watch Thomas

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Speaker 1: Brown's press conference today, if you close your eyes, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Mike Tomlin. Judy like you hear Mike Tomlin when

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Speaker 1: Thomas Brown speaks. He does have a really good relationship

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Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams. The offense has gotten better, Chris Beatty. Batty,

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Speaker 1: who is the receivers coach who then today got promoted

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, there's an X number of

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Speaker 1: wins and Thomas Brown's going to get the job. But

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Speaker 1: Thomas Brown comes from the McVeigh tree. He could probably

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Speaker 1: He's going to have connections to really good coaches. I

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Speaker 1: would not rule that out, depending how the rest of

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Speaker 1: how very firmly Kevin Warren said this is the most

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Speaker 1: coveted job in the NFL. I think that, Listen, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad jobs they're going to open in

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Speaker 1: this offseason as well. I think, you know, not that

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Speaker 1: the Jets is a bad job, but there's a lot

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Speaker 1: you got to figure out there there's Saints. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's going to take a particular type of a thing.

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Speaker 1: The Bears do have a lot going with them in

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Speaker 1: terms of cap space and picks and having Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: at quarterback. Here. We'll find out through this process how

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Speaker 1: exactly coveted this job truly is.

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Speaker 5: And what's going to depend on what you want though,

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Speaker 5: right like right, it depends on who you are.

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Speaker 1: Bill.

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Speaker 5: For Bill Elechick, it's not gonna be the most coveted

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Speaker 5: job for him. I think there are some other jobs

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Speaker 5: out there that that he's going to be more interested in.

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Speaker 5: Because you're coming in, you're you're you're saddled with the

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Speaker 5: general manager that's already there. You're used to having complete control.

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Speaker 5: I'm exaggerating to make a point, but I I understand

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Speaker 5: what they're saying. We've got the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 5: It's a big market, it's it's all a lot of

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Speaker 5: pieces already in place there, certainly on the offensive side

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Speaker 5: of the ball. If you can complete and get a

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Speaker 5: better offensive line and all these things, you've got weapons

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Speaker 5: there for your number one overall pick quarterback already. So

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Speaker 5: I understand all that I do, But and I going

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Speaker 5: back to what Judy said, you need a good offensive mind,

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Speaker 5: the leader of men. Leader of men, I don't those

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Speaker 5: things are not gonna I know you do, which is great.

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Speaker 1: I hate it too.

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Speaker 5: So that's why we're just you know, sort of we

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Speaker 5: we know what it means and it does make sense.

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Speaker 1: But like leader of men waiting for the I don't

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Speaker 1: want to. I want someone who is a follower. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just like no one ever says like I want

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Speaker 1: to push over football team. You know, well physical.

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Speaker 5: But I I the offensive guys that are out there

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Speaker 5: are They're not those guys, you know, like with Cliff

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Speaker 5: Kingsbury did this one time around. I'm not saying Clip's

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Speaker 5: a bad head coach. I'm just saying that wasn't his

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Speaker 5: mo to be that kind of a guy you could

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Speaker 5: lead in your own type of way that you do things.

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Speaker 5: And he'll get another shot. We'll see how successful he is,

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Speaker 5: and he'd be great for Caleb and he's a great

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Speaker 5: offensive mind. But you know, it's gonna be an interesting

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Speaker 5: coaching SERI. I mean it's gonna be interesting across the league.

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Speaker 5: But I'm interested to see how this one goes.

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Speaker 1: Ian You got ten seconds. Do you want to fill

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Speaker 1: for all the time. Thank you very much, Thanks for

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