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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two dead bodies belonging to children,

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Speaker 1: involvement in a bizarre cult, lying, hiding the truth, going

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Speaker 1: on the run. Of course, I'm talking about cult mom.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo banner headline bonbshell. Her bond has been reduced.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Laurie Davel's lawyer. We're left with,

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Speaker 1: as a court mentioned earlier, three misdemeanors and obstruction to

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Speaker 1: solicitation and a contempt charge which carries with it a

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Speaker 1: maximum court in my calculations two years impossible twenty five

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine. The only thing I would add in

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Speaker 1: addition to the things that have been argued in the

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Speaker 1: previous two bond hearings is my client has been a

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Speaker 1: model inmate. These chargers are not of a violent nature.

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Speaker 1: There is no previous criminal record regarding my client in

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Speaker 1: any other jurisdiction that we're aware of. Her access to

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Speaker 1: in order previously outlining that if my client were bailed

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Speaker 1: place that weren't fine with keeping those restrictions. We think

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Speaker 1: ultimately that the million dollars bond isn't reflective of the

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Speaker 1: current charges that we'd asked at the court produced it

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Speaker 1: to one hundred thousand dollars. A model inmate, no previous

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Speaker 1: history where you could say that about Ted Bundy before

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Speaker 1: he was busted on his first murder or Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have a previous history either. What do you

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Speaker 1: mean model inmate? Two dead children, one dismembered and burned,

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Speaker 1: buried in the backyard of her brand new husband. They

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Speaker 1: got married about two weeks after his other wife died

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Speaker 1: mysteriously in her sleep. Again. I mean, see Grace, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. How the hey did cult

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Speaker 1: mom Lorie Valoe get a bond reduction with me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. Renowned attorney joining me out of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney, Scott Hall,

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Speaker 1: Bill Bosman, past President National Association Professional Bondsman at Scott

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Speaker 1: Geehall Dot com doctor Bethany Marshall, and boy, do we

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Speaker 1: need a shrink psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Fate on Amazon. But first to Nate Eton reporter

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Speaker 1: east Idahoanes dot com. He's been on the story from

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Speaker 1: the get go. Nate, first of all, listen to this.

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Speaker 1: September twenty second, the last time JJ Vallo was seen.

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Speaker 1: Police interviewed Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, who

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Speaker 1: were visiting Lorie that weekend. They told police Lourie said

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Speaker 1: JJ had turned into a zombie. The next morning, September

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Speaker 1: twenty third, between eight and nine am, Warwick didn't see

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Speaker 1: JJ and asked where he was. Borie stated he was

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Speaker 1: acting out, so quote Alex had come and taken JJ.

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Speaker 1: GPS data once again puts Alex on Chad's property that

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Speaker 1: day from nine fifty five am until ten twelve am,

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Speaker 1: light around the first part of June twenty twenty. Just

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Speaker 1: days later, June ninth, police searched Chad's property. They focused

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Speaker 1: the strange text to Tammy Gee. James Highly's bodies were

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Speaker 1: found in those areas near the pond and fire pit. So,

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Speaker 1: according to CULTMM Laurie Valo, little JJ, just seven, was

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Speaker 1: by a zombie at about thirteen fourteen years old, which

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Speaker 1: she started disagreeing with her mother. She's very okay, Nate Eaton,

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Speaker 1: if you can talk that, I want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: What's new, Nate, Well, as you mentioned, the bond was

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Speaker 1: conceal evidence. The evidence the bodies of her children, which,

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Speaker 1: from the East Idaho News dot Com, who has been

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Speaker 1: He is the one running along beside coultmom after they

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Speaker 1: what legal charges are appropriate for the facts you just read.

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Speaker 1: You had to go to juvenile where you try cases

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Speaker 1: you have any brains at all, You go through a

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Speaker 1: this is what we know, Daryl Cohen. Everyone is nutting

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Speaker 1: up because Laurie Valocult mom got a bond reduction when

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Speaker 1: we know there's two dead bodies, but the state had

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Speaker 1: to drop three two felony charges, leaving her with just misdemeanors.

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Speaker 1: But she's got a million dollars bond in the county

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Speaker 1: in this instance, she is facing misdemeanors with a maximum

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Speaker 1: She was in Hawaii, she had a huge bond as

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Speaker 1: wondering why they're not more charges other than conspiracy to commit.

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Speaker 1: But obviously she's very similar to Charles Manson. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: talking about Calt mom Laurie Vallo, her children dead and

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Speaker 1: the last time seventeen year old Tylie Ryan is seen.

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Speaker 1: She was on a trip to Yellowstone with her mother,

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Speaker 1: Team or CAST with the FBI analyzed data from Alex's phone.

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Speaker 1: it to you, Nate Eaton coltmom. Laurie Valo had two

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Speaker 1: Those are misdemeanors. The two felonies were abandonment, offered children,

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Speaker 1: They were dead, so those two felonies don't work anymore.

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Speaker 1: They had to be dropped, leaving her in Madison County

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Speaker 1: she's charged with concealing the dead bodies, as she's got

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Speaker 1: I get that right? Nate Eaton? Yeah, you're explained it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Autopsies are still wait wait wait, wait wait wait, drinking

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Speaker 1: from a fire hydrant, Nate eight, Slow down, friend, tell

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Speaker 1: me everything. I want to let it sink in so

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Speaker 1: I can percolate. Now started at the beginning. What now

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Speaker 1: she's not going anywhere. You started with that, we know

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Speaker 1: her funds are extremely limited. Chad's funds are extremely limited.

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Speaker 1: that they're so narcissistic and so self centered that they

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Speaker 1: thought they could just call on any idea and the

426
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: people around them would do their bidding. But strangely enough,

427
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: people did do their bidding. I mean, Laurie Daville's own

428
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: brother killed her husband. So these beliefs worked within a

429
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: small family circle. But once they get in front of

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Speaker 1: a judge, they get in prison, they get with the

431
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: prison guards, other inmates. Right, these ideas are not going

432
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: to work anymore. They're going to be exposed for what

433
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: they are. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are

434
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: talking about called mom Laurie Valo, who has gotten a

435
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: slash in her bell there in Madison County. Luckily Fremont County,

436
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: neighboring county has a million dollar bond on her head.

437
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: She'll have to sit in jail there, but it is

438
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: possible for her to make Bell Joining me is Scott

439
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Hall's Bell Bosman, past President National Association, Bill Bondsman, and

440
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: Nate Eaton East Idaho News dot Com. Nate Eaton, do

441
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: you recall recently were called mom. Laurie Valo's mother and

442
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: sister were literally laughing in their interview about the prospect

443
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: that Laurie Vala knew anything about the disappearance or death

444
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: of her children. Do you remember that They actually laughed it,

445
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: didn't they? Jackie. They actually laughed at the possibility that

446
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: the children were dead. Do you remember that? Yeah? They

447
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: stood up for her. They said that she the children

448
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: are face. They believed her, They had been told that

449
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: by her attacked her mother. Janice even said that she

450
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: had spoken with JJ on October first, based on her

451
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: phone records. Well, we now know that JJ was dead

452
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: on October first, So it's unclear what Laurie's mother meant

453
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: by that who she was speaking with. Maybe she got

454
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: the dates confused or had a long conversation with Well,

455
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: she said that to a cop and put it in

456
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Speaker 1: a police report. Police reports are sworn statements. At the

457
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: bottom it says I hear by swear, So you know,

458
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: telling a cop a lie like that. She better being

459
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: mistaken or she's in a whole lot of a lot

460
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: of trouble right now. So, Scott Paul Bill, I wonder

461
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: if those two that were laughing at the idea the

462
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: children were dead and defending Laurie Valo. What if they're

463
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna endy up and get her out of jail in

464
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: the neighboring county million dollar bell. So on a million

465
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: dollar bell, Scott Hall. Typically I'll have to put up

466
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: ten percent. That's one hundred thousand dollars. How's that going

467
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to work? Well, that is typically what the family would

468
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: put up. But being a bondsman, you understand you're on

469
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Speaker 1: the hook not for one hundred thousand, but on the

470
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: hook for one million. And you've got a person that

471
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: has you know, everybody she comes in contact with dies.

472
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: As a bondsman, I would be concerned about getting close

473
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Speaker 1: to her because I might be the next recipient of

474
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: whatever cult or karma she has going on. And again

475
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Speaker 1: I think there's a great case to be made that

476
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Speaker 1: she is such a danger that, as you said before,

477
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Speaker 1: no bond would be sufficient to protect the public because

478
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: it's not in many case, some cases it's about appearance,

479
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: when in some case it's about risk to the public

480
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Speaker 1: and everybody she comes in contact with, her husband, her

481
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: new husband's exul wife, her dead wife, her children, her brother.

482
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows would be the next recipient, basically,

483
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: anybody that could testify against her, because you remember, the

484
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: children were there when Charles Valo was shot dead at

485
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: her place by her brother Alex Cox. They were the

486
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: only witnesses in the home other than her. Now they're dead. Yeah,

487
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you're right. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot poll. Guys,

488
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: in the last hours, we're learning a lot about the

489
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: case against cultmom Laurie Valo and Nate Eaton reporter east

490
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Idahoo News dot com. Boy, would I like to be

491
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall? Come tomorrow? When Laurie Valo

492
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: looks up and says, today's July twenty two, the end

493
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: of the We're all still here. So why did I

494
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: kill my children? This is all bs, you know, That's

495
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: what's going to happen if she if she can't accept it,

496
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that she may be able to rationalize

497
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: it in her mind as to why the world's not

498
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: coming to an end. But the reality is she basically

499
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: fell for a line from Chad day Bell, married him,

500
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: had her children killed, buried him in his backyard, and

501
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: she's got a string of dead bodies behind her. What's

502
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: that going to be like tomorrow? When the world doesn't

503
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: come to an end, and she's not specially chosen by

504
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: our Holy Father in heaven to lead the righteous to

505
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: the New Jerusalem. Whoopsie rut Row. Yeah, well, one of

506
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: her very close friends tells me that Lori and Chad

507
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: were always predicting stuff and giving dates, and the dates

508
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: were always wrong. And when those dates were wrong, they

509
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: would say, well, the Lord wasn't ready or people on

510
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: earth weren't ready, So it very well could happen that

511
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: the dates already changed by now, if they truly believe this, Nay, nay.

512
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: I ask you another question, a pressing question. Yeah, you

513
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: do know that Chad day Bell would tell women he

514
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: was married to them in a previous life, right, usually

515
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: like they had been the wife of James, the brother

516
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: of John, James the brother of Christ, that they had

517
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: all these past lives and in those past lives he

518
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: had been their husband. You do know that, correct? Oh? Yeah,

519
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: he told Laurie that they were married in a previous

520
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: life probation they call it. Yes, Okay, So that's what

521
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: I was leading up to. Thank you for ruining my crescendo.

522
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: So long story, short bottom line. That was his pickup line,

523
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of them, but I was

524
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: married to you in a past life in order to

525
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: have an affair with you, to put it euphemistically, or

526
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: get her to marry him. You know, Timmy day Bell

527
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: was jealous of Chad day Bell, and she had reason

528
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: to be because he was chatting up all these women

529
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: about their past marriages in another life getting them to

530
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: sleep with him. That's what I think was going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very well possible that. Well, I mean, well, let's

532
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: try with my theory. Isn't it true that he told

533
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: other people the same thing, I was your husband in

534
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: a previous life. Well, we do know that he and

535
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Marie would would say that they would have revelations or

536
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: visions or whatever you want to call it for people

537
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: all over the place, and would approach them and say,

538
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that's some of the very first things he

539
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: told Marie when he met her. Within minutes they were

540
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: talking about, yeah, we were married in a previous probation

541
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: and by the way, has memory a shot of her rear? End?

542
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: What what made him suddenly realize they were married before

543
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: and had slept together before. So I guess that makes

544
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: it okay? Now he amcy just a quick comments. Almost

545
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: all cults are founded on sex. They're sex cults, and

546
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I find this fascinating. I did not know this, but

547
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: it confirms what we know, which is with most cults,

548
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: the beliefs are flimsy. They're used to manipulate everybody around them,

549
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: and whoever is the leader is really just trying to

550
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: have sexual access to all the followers. So you know,

551
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: this belief comes in that they were all married in

552
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: a former life. Hey, we've always already been married. Why

553
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: don't we just have sex right now? So it could

554
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: be that the m of Lorie killing the children is

555
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: so typical with what we see with um infanticide with

556
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: women when they kill their children that, just like with

557
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: with Casey Anthony, they get rid of the children for

558
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: the love of a man. They try to get the

559
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: children out of the way, as I said so many times,

560
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: so they can have an ideal life life. And she

561
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: felt that if jj Entiley were out of the way,

562
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: then she would have Chad once and for all, and

563
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: he would never want all of these other women. So

564
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how complicated the story gets, the psychology

565
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: is so eerily similar in all these domestic homicides to you,

566
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Nate Atan, reporter, East Idaho News dot com, what more

567
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: can you tell me what is happening behind bars? Well,

568
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Laurie's attorney said, quote, she's a model citizen. The other

569
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: day she's by herself. I mean, she's really isolated. She

570
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have much interaction with the other inmates. She's preparing

571
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Speaker 1: for her preliminary hearing. And the interesting thing on those

572
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges that we've been talking about, you know during

573
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: the show about the bond, her attorney's demanding a jury

574
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: trial for these and that's been set for January. She

575
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: treated to them happy. You know why because Laurie Valo,

576
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: defending herself, may take this stand and that will open

577
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: her up to cross examination. You know, Daryl Cohen, a

578
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: trial tactic I always had day one of a trial,

579
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: when I'd be picking a jury, I'd have a nice,

580
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: big thick file labeled defendant's cross exam and I'd lay

581
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: it on the trial table right where the defense could

582
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: see it, and they would sit there and wonder what

583
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: I was going to do to them a cross examination

584
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: the entire trial, and very often would not take the stand.

585
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: But that's what you prepare for before you write your

586
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: opening statement, you gotta be ready for that cross exam.

587
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: If the defendant takes a trial, takes a stand. Oh,

588
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: I hope she takes a stand. What about it, Darryl Cohen? Well, Nancy,

589
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I would salivate and pray that's the defendant would take

590
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: the stand, because then you have her or that or

591
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: him in those days for the most part. But if

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00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: she takes a stand, all bets are off. Frankly, and

593
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: quite frankly, Bethany, I think you would agree. Her personality,

594
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: her sociopathic personality, means she's invincible now. And she's invincible,

595
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: so whatever she says under oath is clearly the truth

596
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: because she can't lie, even though her truth seems to

597
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: modify with each and every circumstance. And you know what else,

598
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: you know what else, Nate eaton a legality. Yeah, she's

599
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: going to be tried on three misdemeaners. She's the one

600
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: demanding a jury trial, okay, And those three misdemeanors have

601
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: nothing to do with murder. However, they do have to

602
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: do with the hiding of the truth about the whereabouts

603
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: of the children. So when she's cross examined, all those

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00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: three misdemeanors, the dead body evidence will come in on

605
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: cross exam. What's she going to say to that? Well,

606
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly the point the prosecutor made the other day

607
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: that while they don't directly tie to murder, while police

608
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: were asking her where are your children, she knew they

609
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: were dead and buried in Chad's backyard. So the prosecutor

610
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: said that while they were asking about where's your special

611
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: needs son who needs medication to function every day, he

612
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: was buried wrapped in plastic in Chad Davel's backyard. And

613
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: the prosecutor made that point when he argued against the

614
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: bond reduction because they were just the misdemeanors, but they

615
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: were in furtherance of hiding dead bodies. He made a

616
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: really good argument. The reality is you got to put

617
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: up or shut up. You got to prove that in

618
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: your indictment or it's not worth the hill of beans.

619
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Although what he said is absolutely true, guys, cult mom

620
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Lorie Valo gets a bond reduction, and it's now according

621
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: to Nate Eating, demanding a jury trial. I can't wait

622
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: on the three remaining misdemeanors in Madison County. She has

623
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: a much bigger conspiracy to hide and conceal, destroy evidence

624
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: at evidence the bodies of her two children in a

625
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: neighboring county. So don't worry. She's not walking free anytime soon.

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00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. Remember tomorrow, July twenty two,

627
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Speaker 1: d Day. According to Caltmaal Laurie Valo, that's the end

628
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: of the earth. Okay, I'm pretty sure I'm not going

629
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: to be one of the one hundred and forty four

630
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: thousand head picked to go to the New Jerusalem. As

631
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: hard as I tried, I don't think that's going to happen. Nancy, Yes,

632
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: and do you have news for me? Jump into Scott

633
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Scott Hall and this is and it's kind of prophetic.

634
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: She's talking about tomorrow. Maybe somebody will give her the

635
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: scripture Isaiah forty nine fifteen, which says can a mother

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Speaker 1: forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion

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Speaker 1: may forget, I will not forget you. So that's what

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Speaker 1: although she may have forgotten her children, okay, she will

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Speaker 1: not be forgotten. In the end. She is going to

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Speaker 1: get her justice at some point. Scott Hall a fitting

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Speaker 1: in to our program Today, we wait as justice on falls.

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Speaker 1: Fancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend,