Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Zaren?
Speaker 3: Oh what Zaren? I know you Zaren Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what's ridiculous?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm sitting over here hoping you'd ask
Speaker 3: me that. Yes, the fine print, it is pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3: You know. They say you can hide a lot in
Speaker 3: the fine print. Yeah, do you know that Disney right now?
Speaker 3: Have you seen this? But they're trying to hide in
Speaker 3: the fine print that do you have Disney Plus? I
Speaker 3: have Disney Plus so I can watch like the show. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: So if you have that, Disney says that you have
Speaker 3: signed away your rights to sue them, because in that
Speaker 3: agreement that you signed for Disney Plus says like, oh,
Speaker 3: I will not indemnify Disney for da da DA, And
Speaker 3: in that they are now currently trying to get out
Speaker 3: of a lawsuit someone filed because their their their spouse
Speaker 3: passed away at Disney World. They went to Epcot Center
Speaker 3: and then she had a food allergy and and passed away.
Speaker 3: So the husband is trying to sue Disney about this,
Speaker 3: and Disney's like, nope, you're a Disney Plus member, which
Speaker 3: means we're indemnified against this. So the hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: million Disney plus members are being told all collectively at
Speaker 3: once that you have no legal protections if you go
Speaker 3: to Disneyland, Disney World, you're a Disney Epcot center so forth.
Speaker 3: It's one of the silliest like legal wranglings you will
Speaker 3: ever see. And like people are just like absolutely floored
Speaker 3: by it, and uh, you know, the judges have that
Speaker 3: have been snarky about it, the lawyers have been snarky
Speaker 3: about it. The lawyer for the defendant said that it
Speaker 3: was absolutely preposterous. So there you go. I think ridiculous
Speaker 3: is really the word.
Speaker 2: All of like the terms and conditions that.
Speaker 3: We hold to all the time, never read, never read them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can hide whatever they want in there, Like.
Speaker 3: I could be I could be signing away like my first, second,
Speaker 3: and third born children and never read it and maybe
Speaker 3: you show up and I'm like another.
Speaker 2: One, Like guess I gonna have another.
Speaker 3: Sorry, honey, I got to read the small print.
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?
Speaker 3: What's what I came here for?
Speaker 2: Fighting while wearing flip flops?
Speaker 3: Oh my thing?
Speaker 2: And this is ridiculous crime a podcast about absurd and
Speaker 2: outrageous capers. Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Damn right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, you ever been on a cruise?
Speaker 3: What I look like like I got I got cruise money.
Speaker 3: I look like I got cruise money, Elizabeth, No, I've
Speaker 3: never been on a cruise.
Speaker 2: D have you ever been on a cruise?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got married on a cruise. Oh no,
Speaker 3: he got cruise money.
Speaker 2: He's got cruise money.
Speaker 3: Okay, I see how it is planning.
Speaker 2: Okay, some people are super into cruising.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: It's their main method of vacationing. I've been on two.
Speaker 3: See, you got cruise money too. I guess. I guess
Speaker 3: I'm the only one here.
Speaker 2: I didn't pay for either one. Okay, it was gifted
Speaker 2: to me as a family thing. Get on here, come
Speaker 2: with the crew, watch these kids, babysitter. It was good.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, did you recommend it to me someone
Speaker 3: has never been on a cruise? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that like I did one that was an
Speaker 2: Alaskan cruise, and it's like a pretty good way to
Speaker 2: see what you want to see up there. And then
Speaker 2: Mexican Riviera one really was like, uh, you know, up
Speaker 2: and down the Pacific.
Speaker 3: You're hitting like Mane TV.
Speaker 2: That was actually kind of fun. It was, it was
Speaker 2: kind of fun. So like I can see the appeal,
Speaker 2: like you only have what you're telling me, not really,
Speaker 2: you only have to unpack once. Well, like you know,
Speaker 2: if you see all these places, but you only have
Speaker 2: like one basically hotel room.
Speaker 3: People talk about that pack on trips, I.
Speaker 2: Don't bring anything.
Speaker 3: Do you take your clothing out of your suitcase and
Speaker 3: put it into like the drawers that are supplied? No, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: On work stuff like I would hang things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do that, I hang a suit or something.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, so anyway, unpacked some people totally I
Speaker 2: mean they put like in the droll.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen the movies from the fifties. People still
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: I guess. I like to live out of the bag.
Speaker 2: If you got to run, if there's a fire, you
Speaker 2: got to make a run for it. First of all,
Speaker 2: wear pants.
Speaker 3: I took a trip last week. I still have an
Speaker 3: unpacked You just let it sit. I'm gonna I'm working
Speaker 3: out of it. Eventually it'll be empty. So I'm just well, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people too, like their ultimate vacation is just
Speaker 2: like sitting by the pool zone and out and cocktails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: That's the main feature of a cruise. As far as
Speaker 2: I understand the relaxation. You don't have to like learn
Speaker 2: another language, even if you're going to places where they
Speaker 2: don't speak.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, they kind of funnel you into English.
Speaker 2: You don't have to eat unfamiliar foods, you know, because
Speaker 2: it's just their restaurants on there. It's not really my
Speaker 2: ideal way of traveling. Like I like to be immersed
Speaker 2: in a new place. I like people watching on vacation.
Speaker 3: Gotta be crazy people watching on the boat.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm talking about like at the destination. I
Speaker 2: like to go to grocery stores to see, like what
Speaker 2: is it like look at us.
Speaker 3: I do the exact same thing. I've been to all
Speaker 3: the grocery stores. Everywhere I go. I have opinions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see weird products.
Speaker 3: Like the albert Heine and Amsterdam. I love that grocery store.
Speaker 2: It's amazing you get to I like to try new
Speaker 2: food or just like absorb the vibe of the place.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Every little helps. I'm not really one for sitting by
Speaker 2: a pool, and I'm not a cocktail sipper.
Speaker 3: I like cocktails in a pool.
Speaker 2: It's like for me, just peeing yourself. So for me,
Speaker 2: cruises aren't a good fit. But like I said, the
Speaker 2: two that I've been on weren't bad at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: interesting ways to see things. But I'm also like not
Speaker 2: big on crowds.
Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering, you don't seem I.
Speaker 2: Like to take vacations in what they call the shoulder
Speaker 2: season between like the heavy travel season and the off.
Speaker 3: Season shoulders off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then or I like to go in the
Speaker 2: off season too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: I'll do anything to avoid a crowd. Same, it's basically
Speaker 2: and you can't avoid crowds.
Speaker 3: Luckily, crowds avoid me, so I'm in luck.
Speaker 2: See you're lucky. I'm I'm at the point now where
Speaker 2: I'm like invisible, but they don't avoid me. Like I
Speaker 2: have this thing you Yeah, like I've noticed walking on
Speaker 2: the sidewalk, I have this new challenge that I give myself,
Speaker 2: Like if I see a guy walking towards me, like
Speaker 2: a man.
Speaker 3: Oh, he'll look right out and he'll look at you okay,
Speaker 3: and I'll.
Speaker 2: Play a chicken eye contact. Yeah, And I find that
Speaker 2: men usually don't move over what reason I don't know,
Speaker 2: and so I just strong yeah, and we like smack.
Speaker 3: Should they're kidding me?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: What are they doing? Who are these ungentlemen?
Speaker 2: Know? But I heard it like because I realized I.
Speaker 3: Was the exactly opposite response. Obviously they all get me
Speaker 3: like arms like the shark moving through Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like I heard someone talking about it, and
Speaker 2: then I realized, you know what I do, step out
Speaker 2: of the way all the time, really, and like I start,
Speaker 2: I stopped doing that and like smacked in the shoulder.
Speaker 3: Throwing a little shoulder forward to go, dude, knees and
Speaker 3: get low exactly explode up. So I don't want my
Speaker 3: football coach here.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have to do that their if the
Speaker 2: cruise ships are crowded, of course, even those like Viking river.
Speaker 3: Cruises, the diseases don't they have with the son the
Speaker 3: river cruises seem nice.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw a bunch of those folks depeched airport
Speaker 2: and looked miserable, and they had like I.
Speaker 3: D land, But the big placards and on their.
Speaker 2: I don't wear ID badge like full stop. No, I'll
Speaker 2: hold it and show people, but then I put it.
Speaker 2: I don't wear a lanyard. Get out of here.
Speaker 3: I take the stickers they gave it. I put them
Speaker 3: right on my forehead.
Speaker 2: That's good, is what you wanted. But so to those
Speaker 2: that love cruises, to them, I say God bless. Of
Speaker 2: course I have family that takes cruises. Every year anyway,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, thirty one point seven million people took cruises.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's globally. That's up from the pre COVID year
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Like it's it fell off during COVID and
Speaker 2: then it's just shot right back.
Speaker 3: Of course, everyone's like, oh, I got to get back.
Speaker 2: Neither norovirus or novel coronavirus can keep folks from.
Speaker 3: The open seas, no fear.
Speaker 2: The biggest cruise ship in the world is Royal Caribbean's
Speaker 2: Icon of the Seas.
Speaker 3: Oh is that the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it weighs like almost two hundred and fifty thousand tons.
Speaker 2: It's like twelve hundred feet long.
Speaker 3: Do when they park in San Francisco, they park right
Speaker 3: by the you know, the pier, you know, at the
Speaker 3: you can see it from the bridge going into the city.
Speaker 3: And if you go, I ride my bike over there
Speaker 3: and you ride past it, it looks like two skyscrapers
Speaker 3: have fallen over and are like lying on top of
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're huge, This this big one, the icon of
Speaker 2: the seas twenty six hundred passengers and twenty three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty crew members on one vote, twenty decks, twenty decks.
Speaker 2: He is terrifying the here twenty decks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot happens on these ships, like as I've said before,
Speaker 2: twenty As I said before, where there's people, there's crime,
Speaker 2: of course, and there's a whole lot of people on
Speaker 2: there baby bumping. So before I get to what happens
Speaker 2: on the ships, let me tell you about some shore
Speaker 2: side bad behavior.
Speaker 3: Okay please.
Speaker 2: So obviously these ships visit these like really nice tropical ports,
Speaker 2: places like Antigua. In September of two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: six US citizens went to shore in Antigua for the
Speaker 2: day while their cruise ship was important. So they hire
Speaker 2: a cab. They're like, take us around the island, give
Speaker 2: us a tour. The driver's like cool, fifty bucks you know,
Speaker 2: and I'll take you. I'll drop you off at the
Speaker 2: end at Fort James Beach. It's like ten minute from
Speaker 2: the boat. Yeah. So the car pulls into Fort James
Speaker 2: Beach and the driver's like, all right, hundred dollars, but
Speaker 2: he had quoted him fifty one hundred dollars please. And
Speaker 2: so I should be noted that, according to like the
Speaker 2: transportation board there, the official one way taxi fare from
Speaker 2: the capital city of Saint John's to Fort James is
Speaker 2: twelve dollars per car of four people. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the island isn't that big. The capital's population is
Speaker 2: just a little more than the number of people on
Speaker 2: the icon of the seas. So it should also be noted, though,
Speaker 2: that this was not a one way taxi trip for four.
Speaker 2: It was a tour for six. They hit up a
Speaker 2: bunch of island sites. I feel like one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: is fair for that.
Speaker 3: I totally thought that.
Speaker 2: But I live in an area where Deli sandwiches are
Speaker 2: like fifteen dollars and that gallon of gas is like five,
Speaker 2: So what do I know. The group, though, they start
Speaker 2: to argue with the driver. Driver's name Joey hungry Bird.
Speaker 2: Medica get hungry hungry Bird.
Speaker 3: Is that a street name? Do people call him hungry
Speaker 3: bird or is it mister hung.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was mister hungry bird. They argue
Speaker 2: with hungry Bird, okay, and so he's like, hold on
Speaker 2: a second, and he drives directly to the police station. Sensible.
Speaker 2: But that's when things popped off.
Speaker 3: I never expect a man named hungry Bird to do.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: A fight broke out at the police station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the cops come out to hear the dispute,
Speaker 2: and it was they, not Hungry Bird, that wound up
Speaker 2: mixing it up with the tourists. They so the tourists
Speaker 2: they interested held the station. They got held over the weekend.
Speaker 2: I bet they were one of the four female passengers.
Speaker 2: She shows up in court later limping, and her attorney's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's because she mixed it up with the cops. That's
Speaker 2: what they did. But like a bunch of cops got injured.
Speaker 3: Huh. Yes, So they were throwing those hands everybody well.
Speaker 2: And obviously the ship didn't wait for them and left
Speaker 2: without them. They had to surrender their travel documents. They
Speaker 2: had to pay five thousand dollars each in bail to
Speaker 2: the magistrate's court. They had to appear in quart a
Speaker 2: week later to you know, face these charges. Blab blah
Speaker 2: bah busted. Basically, Yeah, this writer Jim Walker, this is
Speaker 2: what he had to say about bad behavior of cruise customers.
Speaker 2: Quote all of the cruise lines register their vessels in
Speaker 2: places like the Bahamas or Panama, where they quote regulatory
Speaker 2: authorities are more than willing to look the other way
Speaker 2: as long as the cruise lines fill their coffers with
Speaker 2: US dollars. The cruise line mentality of avoiding US taxes,
Speaker 2: US labor and wage laws, and US safety regulations often
Speaker 2: leads to reckless and inexcusable behavior.
Speaker 3: I've heard this. Also, aren't a lot of the ships
Speaker 3: registered at Liberia. And then it's like all these places
Speaker 3: that are like Panama Libraria in particular stuff we're created
Speaker 3: by American desires for wealth building. So like these are
Speaker 3: countries that are just created by that. So I figure
Speaker 3: they're good at Rubber Stanbell.
Speaker 2: And there's this other writer, Paul ash He said that
Speaker 2: discounted tickets invite rowdier passengers. Oh yeah, and so he
Speaker 2: speculates over what happens when quote the happy and careless
Speaker 2: rich collide with the hungry and resentful poor.
Speaker 3: Oh about that? Sure, are they? Okay?
Speaker 2: So this is what Carnival CEO Mickey Arrison believes. Quote
Speaker 2: Cruise ships are a microcosm of any city or any location,
Speaker 2: and stuff happens. The negatives of discounting might be less
Speaker 2: commissioned for agents and less revenue for us, but the
Speaker 2: positive is it opens up the product to a wider audience.
Speaker 3: He doesn't mean that it covers our bottom line.
Speaker 2: Happen.
Speaker 3: We make sure we make enough on your quote.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting though that they're kind of going after
Speaker 2: those who want the discounted tickets. It's just like the
Speaker 2: riff raff bastly basically is this.
Speaker 3: To fill up the floors. The people who have the
Speaker 3: money for the tickets they intend to sell won't take
Speaker 3: so they're just kind of like, here's this the like
Speaker 3: you know, if you go to a stadium that has
Speaker 3: a blocked seat, you know, like, oh here.
Speaker 2: You get to constructive view exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then that author Ash said quote, I can't think of
Speaker 2: anything I'd rather do less than go on holiday with
Speaker 2: five three hundred and ninety nine other people. Imagine the
Speaker 2: rush for the boats or taxis during shore excursions. Imagine
Speaker 2: the stress of finding a space by the pool or
Speaker 2: queuing for dinner. One may as well go to the
Speaker 2: med and scrap with the Russians and Germans for sun loungers.
Speaker 2: No wonder people get punchy. Who wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Is this what it's like?
Speaker 2: You know, I say, I haven't experienced that, but I
Speaker 2: think it's like when he's saying, like you want to
Speaker 2: go fight the Russians and the Germans for your son
Speaker 2: lash chairs.
Speaker 3: I got that.
Speaker 2: Basically, we're just saying people are just horrible everywhere, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And also when they're in vacation, they give themselves licensed
Speaker 3: to even work.
Speaker 2: And because you have this notion in your head of
Speaker 2: what the vacation's going to be, the fantasy you want
Speaker 2: it to be, it's never going to be that totally,
Speaker 2: and so you try so hard to make all these
Speaker 2: things come together, and there are all these other people
Speaker 2: interfering with your fantasy.
Speaker 3: The stress is like looking out for your family or
Speaker 3: your money, either.
Speaker 2: One exactly, and the money you've spent on it. So
Speaker 2: like sometimes it's not the people on the boat but
Speaker 2: the boat itself that causes trouble. August of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: the Carnival vessel Vista left the port of Messina sicily,
Speaker 2: and it did so like a drunken cruise passenger. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Messina has like a protective zone like kind of
Speaker 2: sea shaped for the large vessels and ships. At the
Speaker 2: entrance and x exit of the port, there are these
Speaker 2: piers that provide mooring and then like protection for small boats.
Speaker 2: So the Vistas leaving port comes super close to the piers,
Speaker 2: so much so that the wake turned over the piers
Speaker 2: and then swamped all these smaller vessels, sinking a bunch
Speaker 2: of them. Oh god, and that was just the wake.
Speaker 2: Like people on the ship thought that they actually hit
Speaker 2: the piers because it was so loud and like, But
Speaker 2: the vessel just throws a lot of water around. The
Speaker 2: captain couldn't blame the weather, perfect sunny colmdown herself. There
Speaker 2: were no announcement afterward from the captain about what happened.
Speaker 2: So people are looking off this and seeing it just
Speaker 2: destroyed the fort exactly, and they didn't stop.
Speaker 3: Of course that that's the whole point.
Speaker 2: And locals were a year.
Speaker 3: I can't turn sorry, I gotta keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Locals were absolutely livid. The Italian newspapers went
Speaker 2: after them. The Vista damaged two concrete piers, sank several boats,
Speaker 2: quote under the astonished gaze of several citizens. Uh and
Speaker 2: then they said quote for a moment, it was feared
Speaker 2: that the situation could escalate and that the same cruise
Speaker 2: ship might not be able to straighten the course and
Speaker 2: regain the open sea. So it was so like wobbawe
Speaker 2: coming out of there. They just you know whatever, two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand euros in damage. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: so you know we have these these like the boats
Speaker 2: are so are you know, causing all this havoc. But
Speaker 2: let's let's stroll away from like the philosophical discussions about
Speaker 2: commerce and tourism, sure zaren, Let's talk about brawls.
Speaker 3: Oh I love this.
Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty two, someone we did quote brawl
Speaker 2: on Carnival cruise ship. Fight was over a lounge chair.
Speaker 2: Well hell yeah, brother, let's hear it. So turns out
Speaker 2: thirty people mixed it up after one person allegedly took
Speaker 2: a lounge chair from another passenger.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they're.
Speaker 2: Fighting over lounge chair. Thirty people. One passenger who was
Speaker 2: there said, quote, all I know is I was filling
Speaker 2: my cup up with lemonade, then boom they were knucking
Speaker 2: and bucking' You just had to be there and then.
Speaker 3: Did you give this quoteth honest?
Speaker 2: In the video of it, you can hear someone in
Speaker 2: the backers around saying that's a move.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like the thing is, I've had knuck if you buck
Speaker 2: in my head for days now thanks to that quote.
Speaker 3: I give that to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you head, you knucking and bucking. All right, So
Speaker 2: here's another brawl. August twenty ten, the blog cruisejunkie dot
Speaker 2: com read All the Time Right published an account from
Speaker 2: a passenger on the Carnival Dream thirty six hundred people capacity. Quote,
Speaker 2: we were on the Carnival Dream sailing eight seven to
Speaker 2: eight fourteen, that's August seventh to August, thank you, and
Speaker 2: heard that a brawl broke out in the dance club
Speaker 2: around three am on the morning of the twelfth. We
Speaker 2: heard from passengers and a bartender that the brawl started
Speaker 2: over a song. It involved so many young people, men
Speaker 2: and women that the security on board was unable to
Speaker 2: handle everyone and had to call in assistance from waitstaff
Speaker 2: and other crew members. The fight spilled over into the
Speaker 2: art gallery located next door, and apparently a ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars painting was ruined with blood splatter. Whoa flat screen
Speaker 2: TVs were smashed and there was a lot of damage done.
Speaker 2: We heard the people on the ground were getting kicked
Speaker 2: in the head by men and women, and that one
Speaker 2: person needed to be revived because he was hurt so badly.
Speaker 2: We also heard that the crowds spilled out of the
Speaker 2: dance club and that in some people were getting punched
Speaker 2: in the face as they were walking by the next
Speaker 2: morning in Kostamaya, there were a bunch of people ten
Speaker 2: people sitting by the side of the ship with all
Speaker 2: of their luggage as they were kicked off the ship
Speaker 2: and their relatives were shipped off to Mexican jails. Carnival
Speaker 2: needs to learn a lesson here and not serve alcohol
Speaker 2: after a certain time and perhaps shut down the eighteen
Speaker 2: and over dance club before three am. Nothing good can
Speaker 2: come of drunk teenagers at three in the morning.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no kidding, Trent teen age at three
Speaker 3: am or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carnival responds. Quote Carnival, a fight occurred on the vessel.
Speaker 2: It was broken up by ship's security and the cause
Speaker 2: of the fight was investigated, which resulted in ten guests
Speaker 2: being disembarked in Mexico. The safety and security of our
Speaker 2: guests and crew is of utmost importance, and we will
Speaker 2: not tolerate behavior that could put any of them a.
Speaker 3: Really cool Now, yeah, I like their shorter version Carnival
Speaker 3: mind you own.
Speaker 2: You'll notice I'm only talking about Yeah, I've noticed that.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Yeah, I didn't hear princess once.
Speaker 2: No, no, you're not going to let's take shortly. When
Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to talk more bad behavior
Speaker 2: on the high seas.
Speaker 3: Fight fight fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 2: So maybe on the lido deck we think, oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: good point. You know, when you think about cruises in
Speaker 2: the US, they go in and out of Florida or
Speaker 2: Long Beach or like up Vancouver, British Columbia for those Alaska.
Speaker 3: Josopher, and then don't go to Seattle. They go to Vancouver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think they may. I don't know
Speaker 2: who's to say, but their cruises do go in and
Speaker 2: out of New York City.
Speaker 3: Your city to Europe, right, that's all the European No.
Speaker 2: No, no, they go up and down on the coast.
Speaker 2: Some will go north, like up to like Maine, Canada
Speaker 2: or whatever, Newfoundland, and then others go down along the
Speaker 2: eastern seaboard to the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I know that Bahamas run is big out of New York, but.
Speaker 3: They still do like the Queen Mary or Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, run right, yeah yeah. So here's
Speaker 2: one from June twenty twenty two. Okay, there was a
Speaker 2: Carnival cruise ship. And again these are these happen on
Speaker 2: Carnival ships. I didn't see any Disney ones, no Viking River,
Speaker 2: no Holland America. Just an interesting fact.
Speaker 3: Interesting anyway, there was correlation.
Speaker 2: There was a tussle on the Carnival Magic Ship as
Speaker 2: it headed back into New York City. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you a little about Carnival Magic please.
Speaker 3: I was afraid i'd have to ask.
Speaker 2: It seems to do the Caribbean Run. There are two
Speaker 2: different Guy Fieri restaurants on board.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, good ship.
Speaker 2: There's Guys Pig and Anchor Barbecue that's a real thing,
Speaker 2: and Guys Burger Joint.
Speaker 3: See. I like your Guys and theory. Go to the restaurant.
Speaker 3: I have to admit I've never been to his restaurant,
Speaker 3: but I did eat a bunch of a food of
Speaker 3: his cookbook once.
Speaker 2: Yeah you had to. You were telling me you had
Speaker 2: to write.
Speaker 3: About it for a magazine story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you cooked your way through the cookbooks.
Speaker 3: I had help. Okay, I'm not a very good cook.
Speaker 2: Anyway. So Carnival Magic has two guy Fiery restaurants, which
Speaker 2: makes so much sense. Here's the major red flag though
Speaker 2: that's a red flag.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is the Carnival website description of the ship, listing
Speaker 2: off all their amenities.
Speaker 3: This should be good.
Speaker 2: Get into an island state ami before you even set
Speaker 2: foot on one. Red Frog Pub is our laid back,
Speaker 2: no worries, Oh so lively, key West inspired pub Dominate
Speaker 2: at the foosball table, Enjoy some sweet tins from live musicians,
Speaker 2: and sip our tasty signature private label brew Thirsty Frog.
Speaker 2: So kick back and fill the island vibe. Come to live.
Speaker 2: You'll be a local here before you know it.
Speaker 3: It can you get a hangover from advertising?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm about to give you a week worse alcohol poisoning.
Speaker 2: This is their description of the Blue Iguana Bar.
Speaker 3: Oh I know that drink well.
Speaker 2: Blue Iguana Tequila Bar is the onboard spot to chill
Speaker 2: and enjoy a slushy tequila drink or an ice cold
Speaker 2: Mexican service. The menu offers up Mexican favorites, including several
Speaker 2: grands a tequila and a slew of Mexican bruise. There's
Speaker 2: a lineup of frozen concoctions, cocktails and margaritas served by
Speaker 2: the glass, oh by the picture, and even a special
Speaker 2: Mexican beer cocktail. Yes, really, where can you find this
Speaker 2: little slice of Mexican paradise Mexican Mexico next to the pool,
Speaker 2: of course, So stay cool and taking the bars a
Speaker 2: vacation vibe while you kick back on your cruise. That's
Speaker 2: what official bar mask up Blue the Iguana would tell you.
Speaker 3: Now, I gotta say, as somebody who has the interests
Speaker 3: of Mexican beer in tequila, I'm so just ashamed of
Speaker 3: what's become of my interest. Fifteen years ago this was
Speaker 3: not the case, and they become so popular, and now
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so you've done this to my my
Speaker 3: I pas down in a Mexican beer. Take everything canse
Speaker 3: you go back to whiskey, which I don't drink.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of drinking on this boat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you get a lot of drunk folks together,
Speaker 2: you're guaranteed what did you.
Speaker 3: Go out a rum too? Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably anything. You're guaranteed some things when you get drinkers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, talking. It's not like career drinkers. This is
Speaker 2: amateur total.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: These are people who are.
Speaker 3: Like bush league hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the noise level is going to increase. People dance
Speaker 2: like no one's watching, People get all loved.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hugging up on people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are hugging in rubbins.
Speaker 3: They get hot and they take off clothing. People get mad,
Speaker 3: people get mad, get real. Fight Yeah, fist fly yep,
Speaker 3: huese fly.
Speaker 2: So on this particular ship, on this particular a brawl
Speaker 2: kicked off on the dance floor. Was not a dance off.
Speaker 2: The ship was approaching the Verrizanto Narrows Bridge. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: a melee occurred. Sixty people got involved. Sixty Passenger and
Speaker 2: travel agent Teresa James told Fox News that the fight
Speaker 2: broke out after some significant others accused their partners of
Speaker 2: cheating in a threesome. Whoa, yeah, like what happens on
Speaker 2: the fight.
Speaker 3: So I'm guessing that was like, uh, like a husband
Speaker 3: and a wife accused. There could be to be involved
Speaker 3: with a third person persons like who's this Mets fan?
Speaker 3: I see you talking to right?
Speaker 2: And so it all went down in the Vibe nightclub
Speaker 2: on the fifth floor of the Carnival Magic Ship. Do
Speaker 2: you want a description?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: You know, get up and get down At the most
Speaker 2: happening club in the Caribbean. Our DJ's are spinning today's
Speaker 2: hottest hits and yesterday's retro jams, guaranteed to get you
Speaker 2: out of your seat and tapping your feet. Hey that rhyme.
Speaker 2: Whether you're doing the robot or the worm, or just
Speaker 2: sway into the music, you'll want to dance till the sunrises,
Speaker 2: or at least till last call. Some people are born
Speaker 2: with all the right moves, but the rest of us
Speaker 2: need a little instruction to smooth the sharp edges off ours.
Speaker 2: That's why you'll find a host of free dance classes
Speaker 2: that sail along with you.
Speaker 3: They sand you down.
Speaker 2: I can't I want to see the dance classes.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, ye club please? I like Also, by
Speaker 3: the way, how they push these people to like party
Speaker 3: like and all the language. It's like, oh cut loose,
Speaker 3: but not too much, not too much. It's like you're
Speaker 3: trying to find it's really small line for a lot
Speaker 3: of people to walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, just go nuts, stretch up. So they mentioned
Speaker 2: last call. At two am on that fateful day, the
Speaker 2: jilted lovers confronted their respective partners for two timing. The
Speaker 2: shoving led to broken beer bottles, which led to a
Speaker 2: lady getting her face sliced. That travel agent Teresa James said,
Speaker 2: quote ignorant fools acting stupid. Hold on. The fight lasted
Speaker 2: an hour, whoa an hour and.
Speaker 3: Then it was really taking breaks in the second ship.
Speaker 2: Like a karate movie where people wait in the wings. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Are you also like are you tagging out and tagging
Speaker 3: back in? You're just like a tag team sixty people yea.
Speaker 2: You know, they rotate through. It's like special teams comes in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It rolled into the casino area on the same level
Speaker 2: of the ship, and then from there they took it
Speaker 2: from the fifth floor to the first. The whole time,
Speaker 2: ship security is trying to put a stop to it,
Speaker 2: and eventually the US Coast Guard was called.
Speaker 3: They had to bring a boat out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, here's a passenger who tweeted under the handle
Speaker 2: at n y E E M zero sure said he
Speaker 2: was quote at the bar listening to my own music,
Speaker 2: sipping a Shirley Temple. Then a brawl broke out and
Speaker 2: nowhere they said that some passengers were quote injured and
Speaker 2: cut up from glass, and most, if not all, of
Speaker 2: the ship's security guards rushed to stop the violence. And
Speaker 2: then he ends the tweet with it was the last night,
Speaker 2: so I guess they wanted to go out with a bang.
Speaker 3: Thanks Milhouse sitting there sipping on a Shirley Temple.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So that was on the Carnival Magic
Speaker 2: all right, Another fight broke out earlier this year. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you how the Carnival Magic shows are described
Speaker 2: by the comedy itself. This will clarify everything. Everyone has
Speaker 2: those perfect songs that never fail to get them moving.
Speaker 2: Playlist productions brings lists like yours to life. Your favorites
Speaker 2: become full blown musical productions featuring singers and dancers bringing
Speaker 2: down the house. Shows vary by ship, but there's a
Speaker 2: playlist for every music lover. Need a few examples, Zarin,
Speaker 2: You're like chorus hand up. How about the spicy sounds
Speaker 2: of the movie Magic soundtrack? Of flick or vintage pop
Speaker 2: with its twenties jazz beats, modern hits, get Ready for
Speaker 2: Thrills is Romance and pop hits Collide, and the interactive
Speaker 2: Dear Future Husband, Release your inner rock and roll Patriot
Speaker 2: during America Rocks, enter the center of groove with the
Speaker 2: passionate heart of soul feel, the arena shaking sounds of
Speaker 2: epic rock, the piano pounding sounds of eighty eight keys,
Speaker 2: the totally bad, meaning good eighties pop to the max,
Speaker 2: plus the funky, sophisticated and not at all exclusive studio
Speaker 2: VIP where everyone's welcome to come and get down, Like,
Speaker 2: come to this club. It's not exclusive at all. It's
Speaker 2: full of trash.
Speaker 3: Get in here, you'll be perfect.
Speaker 2: I'll fit right in. It sounds terrible. Apparently. Dear Future
Speaker 2: Husband is a Megan Trainer song. I refused to listen
Speaker 2: to it, okay, but the Wikipedia entry for it is
Speaker 2: a wild ride of poorly written descriptions of what she
Speaker 2: wore while performing the song in various venues.
Speaker 3: Oh really, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: It's so weird, and no mention of carnival cruises like
Speaker 2: I was. I was trying to see it. No, I
Speaker 2: just feel like these shows are the worst.
Speaker 3: I feel like they are all going to be based
Speaker 3: on like those nineties dance movies.
Speaker 2: Were, like I watched videos of them. I watched videos
Speaker 2: of these shows for you, Zarin, I don't let's ponder
Speaker 2: it in our heads. Let me take you there. Karen,
Speaker 2: close your eyes. I want you to picture it. You
Speaker 2: are the main performer in the production of Vintage Pop,
Speaker 2: a rollicking look at well. Let me quickly read to
Speaker 2: you from the Carnival Cruise Guide press release, taking viewers
Speaker 2: back to the Great Gatsby and Cotton Club era with
Speaker 2: contemporary songs like all about that Bass, That's what I
Speaker 2: Like and work transformed into classic jazz interpretations what Vintage
Speaker 2: Pop features a toe tapping six piece live band performing
Speaker 2: in a modern day speaking highlighted by a show stopping
Speaker 2: burlesque number that leaves audiences breathless. Vintage Pop ends with
Speaker 2: a rollicking after party in the atrium, where guests can
Speaker 2: dance and interact with flapper and zoot suited outfitted cast members.
Speaker 2: All right, so you are just off stage about to
Speaker 2: step out into the lights to perform a jazzy torch
Speaker 2: songy version of John Legends all of me. You are
Speaker 2: wearing a black zoot suit. Your co star Brianna is
Speaker 2: dressed up like a flapper and ready to accompany you
Speaker 2: on this number. You are both sweaty from your performance
Speaker 2: of Ed Charine's shape of you blended with it don't
Speaker 2: mean a thing, but you were meant for the stage.
Speaker 2: You were meant for the curtain. You were meant to
Speaker 2: tread these boards. Of this much you are certain anyway.
Speaker 2: There you are, The lights dim and you and Brianna
Speaker 2: make your way to the stage. You look out at
Speaker 2: the assembled crowd in the theater. There are some who
Speaker 2: are dressed to the knies, heels and tight cocktail dresses
Speaker 2: and collared shirts. Others came in shorts, flip flops and visors.
Speaker 2: It's a mixed bag. The pianist begins to play a slow,
Speaker 2: jazzy tune. This in no way resembles the John Legend song,
Speaker 2: but that's the point. You are basically going to sing
Speaker 2: the lyrics over some jazzy stuff. As you take a
Speaker 2: deep breath and begin, you hear mumbling off to the side.
Speaker 2: At a cocktail table to your left, a man is
Speaker 2: swaying in his seat and mumbling to himself. He then
Speaker 2: begins to clap really loudly. I mean, you were meant
Speaker 2: for applause, and you were meant for derision. But this
Speaker 2: is odd. A person at the table next to the
Speaker 2: man tells him. The man's wife puts her hand on
Speaker 2: his arm to quiet him down. Michael, She spit whispers.
Speaker 2: It works for a bit. Michael settles in his seat.
Speaker 2: You float around the stage in the half dance, half
Speaker 2: saunter of Dinner Theater. You continue to croon. As you
Speaker 2: pause for effect, the clapping starts up again. You hear
Speaker 2: a man shout stop clapping so loud. The clapping continues.
Speaker 2: Michael will not be stopped. The piano plays on. But
Speaker 2: you've been thrown off your game. I mean you were
Speaker 2: meant to raise these hands with quiet all around you.
Speaker 2: Oh oh. The man who called for a stop to
Speaker 2: the clapping stands. He's on the other side of the
Speaker 2: clapping man. He announces that he's going to get a
Speaker 2: crew member and that'll put a stop to this. The
Speaker 2: guy just wants to hear a new arrangement of John
Speaker 2: Legend in Peace. Is that too much to ask? As
Speaker 2: the guy walks past Michael, Michael stands you freeze in
Speaker 2: the spotlight. Transfixed someone costs You hear low chattering ice
Speaker 2: rattling in glasses. Just then Michael reaches to his table,
Speaker 2: picks up his lowball glass and smashes it into the
Speaker 2: guy's face. JH. The man's state cries. JH looks stunned,
Speaker 2: a trickle of blood running down his forehead to his nose.
Speaker 2: Michael raises the glass in his fist again and brings
Speaker 2: it down on Jh's head once mout people scream, which
Speaker 2: falls to the ground. The band, trying to distract from
Speaker 2: the brutality of the wings, begins to play a jazzy
Speaker 2: ragtime tune. You hear Michael's glass break as he froze
Speaker 2: it at Jah. He then runs for the door, his
Speaker 2: flip flops skidding across the floor. As he makes an escape,
Speaker 2: the house lights come up and staff begin to direct
Speaker 2: the audience out of the theater, And as the spotlights
Speaker 2: fade away and you're escorted through the foyer, they will
Speaker 2: resume their callaways. But you were meant for the stage.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed me weaving decembrous lyrics through that
Speaker 2: for you, Producer Dave, That was for you, so what
Speaker 2: just happened. What happened was thirty nine year old Michael
Speaker 2: Truman assaulted another passenger whose initials were provided as Jah.
Speaker 2: So during a floor show, JH asked Truman twice to
Speaker 2: pipe down before he went to go fine.
Speaker 3: Crew members the Truman show.
Speaker 2: According to according to an affidavit signed by FBI special
Speaker 2: agent Sean danaher quote, as JH attempted to walk past
Speaker 2: Truman to leave, Truman picked up his drink glass and
Speaker 2: smashed it into j H's face. Truman then got on
Speaker 2: top of JH and began striking him.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So JH gets face lacerations. Imagine he needed nineteen
Speaker 2: stit do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then, according to the Affidavid, Jh's wife said that Truman,
Speaker 2: surprise appeared to be drunk at the time they Later
Speaker 2: they tracked Truman down to his cabin. He told security that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had been clapping a lot, and that the other
Speaker 2: man asked him to stop clapping so loud.
Speaker 3: And he has a wife, remember from the story.
Speaker 2: And then he also copped to having three or four
Speaker 2: alcoholic drinks that day, which I think is an underestimation.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing. Yeah. According to thirteen or four.
Speaker 2: According to the Affidavid quote, Truman repeatedly claimed that he
Speaker 2: had been defending himself. A broken old fashioned low ball
Speaker 2: cocktail glass was found in the vicinity of the assault,
Speaker 2: So Truman, he's facing a maximum of ten years in prison.
Speaker 2: WHOA what are you in for? Clapped a lot and
Speaker 2: busted a dude's face in during a cruise ship jets review.
Speaker 3: I love John Legend.
Speaker 2: Let's stop for some mats. You can work on your
Speaker 2: oil portrait of John Legend, and I'll try to get
Speaker 2: I was meant for the stage out of my head.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I have an epic one for you.
Speaker 2: Excellent and five six, seven eight. How you doing?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm over here working on my jets routine. Are
Speaker 3: you the sharks because we've been practicing all day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have a whole dance routine worked out. I hope
Speaker 3: you guys are ready for a jazz battle.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go audition for Carnival Cruise Line.
Speaker 3: I'm already on, So would you like to talk to
Speaker 3: them on.
Speaker 2: A cruise line ship right now doing that? I'm on
Speaker 2: a Carnival cruise performing at John.
Speaker 3: I am the captain of the car I am.
Speaker 2: A carnival cruise ship. Have you not noticed that saren
Speaker 2: live your life like a carnival cruise ship. We've talked
Speaker 2: about the Commons Dominator.
Speaker 3: With no carnival cruise ship.
Speaker 2: This one's no different. Oh, this is very recent, June
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: This year, this year, that's this year, this summer, the
Speaker 3: summer of Dark Elizabeth exactly.
Speaker 2: It cast a pall across the globe. This is another
Speaker 2: one where it was the last day of the trip.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not just going the same here? Is that right?
Speaker 3: People were like, I didn't get enough out of this.
Speaker 2: I'm shooting the moon baby. This made the news after
Speaker 2: a guy named Nick Richardson who lives in Clearwater, Florida,
Speaker 2: posted a video of a megafight on YouTube now. He
Speaker 2: originally tried to put it on TikTok, but it got
Speaker 2: taken down, so we went to YouTube.
Speaker 3: Can you, by the way, you know you shortened names
Speaker 3: like Edward can become Ted or ed Can you Shore?
Speaker 3: And Nick Richardson to Nick Dixon?
Speaker 2: Sure, why not?
Speaker 3: Could you shorten a last name? No one ever shortens
Speaker 3: last names like You're Richardson? Now Dixon, the Dixon, Nick
Speaker 3: Dixon Dixon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he Clearwater, Florida. Guy posts this video. It's
Speaker 2: not really clear how the fight began, but when he
Speaker 2: came upon it.
Speaker 3: He was not part of the original altercation.
Speaker 2: He was but a witness. There were like ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen people going at it, throwing chairs, tackling each other.
Speaker 2: Who duking it out in the buffet area of the
Speaker 2: carnival paradise.
Speaker 3: Interesting, but nobody was like pulling knives or forks from
Speaker 3: the tables.
Speaker 2: This is at three am.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, why.
Speaker 2: Did he happen to see happened to see this buffet
Speaker 2: fight at three am?
Speaker 3: He's an insomnia he was out looking for pizza. Oh
Speaker 3: he's my people.
Speaker 2: Quote I woke up because I was starving, said Richardson.
Speaker 3: Oh so he was drunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said. The passengers were quote talking trash to
Speaker 2: each other at the buffet and then tensions rose, but
Speaker 2: he didn't know like what initially set it all off.
Speaker 2: So security jumps in. They break it up. They're escorting
Speaker 2: one side of the fight out of the room while
Speaker 2: the other group like leaves on their own volition in
Speaker 2: the other direction. They made a mess. There's like tables
Speaker 2: and chairs knocked over plates and utensils everywhere. Carnival spokesperson
Speaker 2: Matt Lapoli said, quote, Carnival Paradise's security team intervened in
Speaker 2: an incident that took place on June sixth. As is
Speaker 2: our policy, we will not tolerate such behavior, and the
Speaker 2: guests involved were fined and will not sail on Carnival
Speaker 2: Cruise Line again.
Speaker 3: I find it hard to believe. You guys are always
Speaker 3: you're also releasing these You just pull up the template,
Speaker 3: change the.
Speaker 2: Day, change whichever boat it was. Richardson though, He's like,
Speaker 2: this did not ruin his cruise at all. It was
Speaker 2: the first cruise he'd ever been on, and he said
Speaker 2: it was just an quote isolated incident, and then he
Speaker 2: loved it so much that when he got home, he
Speaker 2: booked a new cruise.
Speaker 3: Like that same day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he as soon as he gets he books another trip,
Speaker 2: he said. Quote the security and just all the staff
Speaker 2: there were very, very good. So he was sold.
Speaker 3: So he's like, you're going to Vegas when you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: these guys can run this stuff.
Speaker 2: I love that they take care of it.
Speaker 3: I'm just allowed to be a child eating ice cream
Speaker 3: in the morning.
Speaker 2: I feel safe on the three day and pizza rest.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it didn't turn him off. The next one
Speaker 2: I have for you would certainly sour me on cruising.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, lay it out.
Speaker 2: I take you to one of my favorite places. I've
Speaker 2: never been Australia.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it is one of your favorite places.
Speaker 2: You've never confessed that. Before doing Ridiculous Crime, I had
Speaker 2: a slightly negative view of Australia. Well, I knew a
Speaker 2: couple of assis and they were both horses asses people.
Speaker 2: I wrote the whole place off you wrote is a
Speaker 2: couple of people. That's what I did. You know, I'm judgy.
Speaker 3: Hello, you're messing people from America. You're write a lot
Speaker 3: of content.
Speaker 2: There are very few places in this this green earth.
Speaker 3: You're a big fan of write everybody off.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we know what happens, and that's right. You
Speaker 2: got people, But like for real, the Australians that I've
Speaker 2: interacted with through the show have shown me that they're awesome.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I now love the I love I easily influenced.
Speaker 3: And they gave me the greatest term. Oh he's a goer,
Speaker 3: A go I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that too. I use it all the time.
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna have epic behavior. Australia is your place.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, let's have some more class.
Speaker 2: Let's go February twenty eighteen. This time is the Carnival
Speaker 2: Legend as it made its way around the South Pacific
Speaker 2: on a ten day cruise. That kind of sounds dope, though.
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that a good amount of time or not?
Speaker 2: That's a pretty long cruise.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Ten days is like, okay, they.
Speaker 2: Do like three four day cruises in the Caribbean four
Speaker 2: days or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The one I did in Mexico's like seven days.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is about this is like a little
Speaker 3: longer than aw It's.
Speaker 2: Like a slightly long daddy. But I think there's fourteen.
Speaker 2: And then there's the ones where you're like around the.
Speaker 3: World world months long and all the years or whatever.
Speaker 3: You're now retired there, you know, are the boat?
Speaker 2: Okay? So the trouble started after the legend set sail
Speaker 2: from alban See how I said, that's so good. In
Speaker 2: the French territory of New Caledonia, there was a big the.
Speaker 3: French territory of New Caledonia, it's Scottish Caledonians.
Speaker 2: Anyway, there was a huge family traveling all together, like
Speaker 2: two dozen folks, and it looked like they got on
Speaker 2: board just like spoiling for a fight. They came on
Speaker 2: like crusty, salty.
Speaker 3: They're wrapping tinfoil around their knuckles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, so like they come on, they're like spitting
Speaker 2: in the pool. Oh, they were in the smoking area
Speaker 2: and they're just screaming, yelling at everybody, just.
Speaker 3: Holding their fingers up, no cigarette, just breathing in the air.
Speaker 2: They would suck other people's yeah, and then like they
Speaker 2: would walk by other passengers and staff and like be like, oh,
Speaker 2: are you trying to insult me? And like wanted to
Speaker 2: start a fight?
Speaker 3: Oh, Travis Bickle like talking to me.
Speaker 2: Carnival Cruise Lines called the police to quote remove a
Speaker 2: family group of passengers and like by the time they
Speaker 2: got to this place, Eden on the South coast, a
Speaker 2: New South Wales south coast, the officers had to board.
Speaker 2: But it was like leading up to this is what
Speaker 2: was called the cruise from Hell. Oh yeah, so cops
Speaker 2: meet up with a ship. They took off six men,
Speaker 2: three teenage boys, fourteen women and children. The family group
Speaker 2: was taken to Canberra, where they had to figure out
Speaker 2: their own way home. A twenty one year old female passenger,
Speaker 2: who when speaking to the press said she wanted to
Speaker 2: remain anonymous, said that while she was traveling with her
Speaker 2: partner and another couple, their group was targeted by the family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: after one member of her party accidentally brushed past a
Speaker 2: member of the family and then they're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: it's on and I'm going to just like to the
Speaker 2: ends of the earth. I will get you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope you know you got a new rival
Speaker 3: for life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said. Quote, yesterday, the friend we were traveling
Speaker 2: with was subjected to a large violent outburst. He was
Speaker 2: essentially thrown to the ground. It was completely unprovoked. They
Speaker 2: had him by the neck and they were punching and
Speaker 2: kicking him. And then she said that she thinks that
Speaker 2: the violence was triggered when her friend made eye contact
Speaker 2: with the group as they were chasing down another passenger.
Speaker 2: So like in the commission of a crime.
Speaker 3: Someone looks at and they stopped.
Speaker 2: They stopped, That's exactly what happened. Like they make eye contact,
Speaker 2: like they left a skin mark tennis shoe on the
Speaker 2: thing turned around.
Speaker 3: A pack of gorillas onto this boat. It seesn't seem
Speaker 3: like they'd be good passengers.
Speaker 2: She and her partner hid in their cabin for two days.
Speaker 2: They were so afraid. Another another passenger, identified only as Zach,
Speaker 2: he told Neil.
Speaker 3: Mitchell's street names.
Speaker 2: Melbourne radio station three a W that he was going
Speaker 2: to be removed from the ship after he was locked
Speaker 2: in his room by security overnight. He's part of the family,
Speaker 2: he called. He calls on the radio shop. He said.
Speaker 2: The conflict was between his family and another party on
Speaker 2: the ship that started following a misunderstanding over a.
Speaker 3: Song like a flip flop or like an underwear.
Speaker 2: He said it quote and I won't do it. I
Speaker 2: won't do the ex quote. This is all over a thong,
Speaker 2: not a foot, a thong being stepped on. So it's
Speaker 2: a flip flop, a thong being stepped on and being
Speaker 2: instantly apologized for what happened there and then was apologized for.
Speaker 2: My nephew was threatened as he was returning a soccer
Speaker 2: when four or five blokes walked up to him and said,
Speaker 2: don't worry, we're going to get you. Like it doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense.
Speaker 3: No, it's such a so somebody had their flip flop
Speaker 3: stepped on. Another person got mad because they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: these are my best flip flops. I wear it all
Speaker 3: formal events.
Speaker 2: My go aheads and then like he apologizes, but then
Speaker 2: they returned. They like threatened his nephew for a soccer ball.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't complete the thought. He said that security
Speaker 2: guards were harassing his family and it was really security
Speaker 2: was doing this whole thing. They're the ones who started
Speaker 2: all this, uh, he said, quote the first hit was
Speaker 2: thrown by security towards not just my daughter and my
Speaker 2: sister in law, but my wife as well. So he's
Speaker 2: like security was hitting all the lady folk. He then
Speaker 2: said that security guards assaulted him and his son, quote
Speaker 2: taking turns pounding us in the face with knuckle dusters
Speaker 2: and steel cap boots. Were basically standing here is thanking
Speaker 2: the Lord above that we survived it.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the station, the station three a W they
Speaker 2: did get footage of the brawl, Oh thank god, And
Speaker 2: it does not securities up in there. But you can't
Speaker 2: tell if they were there from the jump or if
Speaker 2: they get pulled in.
Speaker 3: Can you tell if they got knuckle dusters, Well.
Speaker 2: You can see that there are a bunch of guards
Speaker 2: and a staffer kicking a passenger while he's on the ground.
Speaker 2: And in the background you can hear people screaming and crying.
Speaker 3: Did you see someone beating someone with a mop?
Speaker 2: This guy, David Barco. He told three a W that
Speaker 2: he received a call at one in the morning from
Speaker 2: his son George, crying, saying that quote, a lot of
Speaker 2: people are bleeding, a lot of people are down. Please Dad,
Speaker 2: please Dad, call the federal police. I could hear a
Speaker 2: lot of kids crying, women screaming, swearing.
Speaker 3: What the heck can you know to getting a call
Speaker 3: from the middle of this melee?
Speaker 2: Oh God? Three aw the center of all this, this this
Speaker 2: radio station. They talked to another passenger, Michael. He said
Speaker 2: that he'd been kicked while laying on the ground and
Speaker 2: he got cuts and bruises to his face, his back,
Speaker 2: his legs. They also talked to Kelly Peterson. She didn't
Speaker 2: mind giving her full name. She goes on the cruise
Speaker 2: with her husband and her three young kids. She and
Speaker 2: her husband had also been threatened by the crazy family.
Speaker 2: This is how she said it. Quote they were looking
Speaker 2: for trouble from the minute they got on the ship,
Speaker 2: anyone and everything. They even picked on a sixteen year
Speaker 2: old boy because they thought he looked at them. Fights
Speaker 2: have been going on for a few days now. We're scared.
Speaker 2: We've been told to watch our backs by this group,
Speaker 2: so we're scared to go anywhere alone on the ship.
Speaker 2: We can't wait to get off. People are walking around
Speaker 2: with cut heads and hands, bandages everywhere. She said. The
Speaker 2: security told her.
Speaker 3: Kids deep country, like why are they so not used
Speaker 3: to being around other people? Don't know?
Speaker 2: But security told her like, don't walk alone. And then
Speaker 2: the other passengers were saying that they stayed in their
Speaker 2: cabins the whole time and her stay safe. Lisa Belifo.
Speaker 2: She said that she and her son locked themselves in
Speaker 2: the cabin. Quote, we've all made several complaints, saying kids
Speaker 2: were scared. They saw people getting strangled and punched up.
Speaker 2: The captain said, what do you want me to do
Speaker 2: about it? Throw them overboard?
Speaker 3: Way to go back.
Speaker 2: We have jails on these they have.
Speaker 3: A break, then they can marry people, They can lock people,
Speaker 3: got power them, just go out and tank. You know
Speaker 3: what they do on planes, duck tape them to their seats.
Speaker 2: I don't know well, so, like, what's the deal with
Speaker 2: this family? What can't a.
Speaker 3: Pilot do that a captain of a boat can't do?
Speaker 2: They're like, who is this failing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who is this family?
Speaker 2: Believe though, she said that it was quote a big
Speaker 2: Italian fan who spent the crews attacking quote OSSI's.
Speaker 3: Actually Italian from I don't know Italians were ethnical Italian.
Speaker 2: From so I'm hearing it from. She said their behavior
Speaker 2: was quote very violent. They were full on attacks, and
Speaker 2: she said she wasn't sad to see them getting stomped
Speaker 2: by security.
Speaker 3: It was like the Capone boys, Like what are we
Speaker 3: talking about? Quote?
Speaker 2: They deserved everything they got. They were the aggressors. So
Speaker 2: she said that her son got targeted and they had
Speaker 2: to make a run for it and lock themselves in
Speaker 2: the cabin. Her son told news outlets quote, I was
Speaker 2: watching the fight and one guy came up to me
Speaker 2: and said, do you want to go too? Bro? My
Speaker 2: mom had to drag me away from it.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 2: They were trying to pick on any Ossie they could find.
Speaker 3: This is so how did they think they gimmed themselves
Speaker 3: up for this? Like? Was it like one of those
Speaker 3: like the family like they have a meeting before they
Speaker 3: go and drive to the port. They're like, we're gonna
Speaker 3: mess the ossies up. In't that right? Gino?
Speaker 2: Thearren Foster's is Australian for beer mate. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: The courage.
Speaker 2: So little battles went on for days as the ship
Speaker 2: sailed on, but there was the final straw was an
Speaker 2: all out brawl in the ship's nightclub, of course. So
Speaker 2: there's a video of the giant fight. A man pins
Speaker 2: another to the bar floor. All around them like passengers
Speaker 2: as screaming trying to move out of the way. A
Speaker 2: woman throws herself on top of the pair, and then
Speaker 2: security guards show up and they start like punching and
Speaker 2: kicking the dudes on the floor.
Speaker 3: The security guard is pine, just bruised hands like they're like,
Speaker 3: I've been fighting for.
Speaker 2: This passenger, Michael, it's funny you should mention this. The
Speaker 2: passenger Michael Hatter said guards waved broken bottles at passengers
Speaker 2: to intimidate them, and quote put handcuffs around their hands
Speaker 2: as knuckle dusters. So they used handcuffs as brass knuckles. Yes, amazing.
Speaker 3: Don't they have cruncheons or like some kind of spray
Speaker 3: that can use me. It seems like Carnival may want
Speaker 3: to look into.
Speaker 2: Tasers silly string. In one video, you can see like
Speaker 2: one of the staff members try and knock the phone
Speaker 2: from the hand of the person filming.
Speaker 3: I got another idea for Carnival. That's sugar glass. All
Speaker 3: the glasses on Carnival Cruise, sugar glass, just break all
Speaker 3: you want exactly.
Speaker 2: The staff member tries to knock the phone from the
Speaker 2: hand of the person filming. Filming, okay, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: screams no camera, this is staff staff. Before the video ends,
Speaker 2: a security guard makes a fist and draws his arm
Speaker 2: back like he's gonna punch a woman in the face camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like that the one like the comedian you ow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Instagram comedian who puts her hand by your face. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't say it. He like does that right, he
Speaker 2: pulls back and then he stops at the last moment.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: A Carnival spokesperson said in a statement quote, the actions
Speaker 2: seen on the video by our security team are not
Speaker 2: in line with our Carnival values and policies.
Speaker 3: They put their back into this one.
Speaker 2: We are conducting a full investigation and we will take
Speaker 2: appropriate corrective action as necessary.
Speaker 3: Ah, and I get they determine what's necessary right next
Speaker 3: time it will be yes.
Speaker 2: But they have Carnival values and policies. I've seen their values.
Speaker 2: They're pretty amazing. Jennifer vander Creek, the Carnival general manager.
Speaker 2: So yes, there were quote limited and isolated events with
Speaker 2: the family in question. Disembarking a family from a cruise
Speaker 2: is an unprecedented incident. It is always our last resort.
Speaker 2: We felt it was the best course of action for
Speaker 2: the safety and security of our guests and crew, like
Speaker 2: we had to boot off a whole family total.
Speaker 3: These press pass always sound like some kind of weird
Speaker 3: like sci fi novel, like we'reen in the future, or
Speaker 3: they're like we've become really corporate talk about everything.
Speaker 2: Carnival President store mirrmel I don't even know, said an
Speaker 2: internal investigation was going to be launched and that quote
Speaker 2: excessive behavior was not tolerated by Carnival. That is not
Speaker 2: what I've been talking about for the last forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: This is all about a George Saunder's novel, is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is a Carnival dispatched a quote care crew a
Speaker 2: crew to help those who decided to ride out the
Speaker 2: crews to the bitter end a care crew. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then they probably handed out teddy.
Speaker 3: Bears I was just about to say, and candy and
Speaker 3: and it.
Speaker 2: Should be noticed not all of the bad boys bad boys,
Speaker 2: what You're Gonna do? Were kicked off the ship. Some
Speaker 2: like there were still some aggressive passengers who got locked
Speaker 2: in their cabins as kind of like a house arrest
Speaker 2: until they returned. Other passengers like they complained that once
Speaker 2: the fight was over and everyone had been ejected, that
Speaker 2: like guards on the ship were taking their phones and
Speaker 2: deleting all the videos of the melee. Oh wow, So
Speaker 2: police removed twenty three people, all apparently members of the
Speaker 2: same family. Uh. Some had been ordered removed while others
Speaker 2: left voluntarily.
Speaker 3: So wait the police is this from a port of call,
Speaker 3: because I mean they're like international.
Speaker 2: Water pulled into a port and then in South Wales?
Speaker 3: Does it go to the first jurisdiction they touch, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 3: if your rules are different, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like what if they go to like christ Church as
Speaker 3: opposed to Okay.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Well I think they put the federal police limit. Okay,
Speaker 2: so when they're leading everyone off, all the passengers that
Speaker 2: were still there, they went up out onto the deck
Speaker 2: and they were like booing and clapping. As the family
Speaker 2: was moved to a police boat. One of the dudes
Speaker 2: in the family was wearing like a big head bandage.
Speaker 2: The whole group were just like not remorseful, looking super defiant.
Speaker 2: While the family was being let out, a lady on
Speaker 2: the cruise yelled loser and then one of the Narraduel's
Speaker 2: flips or the bird it's amazing. So again, Carnival releases
Speaker 2: another statement, we sincerely regret that the unruly conduct and
Speaker 2: actions of the passengers removed them a ship may have
Speaker 2: prevented other guests from fully enjoying their cruise. I mean
Speaker 2: they must have just like six template.
Speaker 3: Oh statement, they just spin the wheel when everyone comes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a good will gesture, if you may to
Speaker 2: the end of the cruise, they gave you a twenty
Speaker 2: five percent off coupon for the next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Four years later, in October of twenty twenty two, Carnival
Speaker 2: updated its ticket contract to say that unruly guests would
Speaker 2: be fined five hundred dollars and made to reimburse any
Speaker 2: incurred expenses resulting from being detained or being made to
Speaker 2: disembark early. The contract reads quote consistent with our commitment
Speaker 2: to safety, disruptive behavior will not be tolerated, and any
Speaker 2: guest whose conduct affects the comfort, enjoyment, safety, or well
Speaker 2: being of other guests or crew will be detained on
Speaker 2: board and or disembarked at their own expense, and will
Speaker 2: be banned from sailing on Carnival in the future.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit vague the land. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: what if you like, fart, a bunch of peoplesupting.
Speaker 2: Totally disrupted, off you go, And then like a month
Speaker 2: before that they set up a one am curfew for
Speaker 2: passengers under the age of eighteen About them, right, Zaren?
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: How is it because you kids can break at eighteen?
Speaker 3: Is that how we have other teens?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: How is I just don't understand how there's like captains
Speaker 3: and security, but it really doesn't sound like there's security
Speaker 3: and a captain. Everyone's just like, look, we're just trying
Speaker 3: to keep the boat afloat. That's our job. That's all
Speaker 3: we care about. Basically, it's bizarre and as somebody who
Speaker 3: is totally agnostic to this, all of this other than
Speaker 3: what you see in the media. This is wilder than
Speaker 3: I thought it was, and I thought it was pretty wild.
Speaker 2: There you go, it's wild.
Speaker 3: So like, basically, I have some friends who like to fight.
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