WEBVTT - The Financial Revolution Cycle is Here - Are You Prepared?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show,

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<v Speaker 1>where of course we're always talking about the decentralized revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>which is of course as the world's breaking apart.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, going forward that centralized world.

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<v Speaker 1>That we've been swinging to, that pendulum swinging to, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're now moving back to a decentralized, multipolar world.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I like to talk about it from three.

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<v Speaker 1>Different revolutionary cycles, a two hundred and fifty two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty year political revolution cycle, an eighty year financial

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<v Speaker 1>revolution cycle, and of course a fifty year technological revolution cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the interesting thing is people are always amazed when

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<v Speaker 1>I show them the charts that all three of those

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<v Speaker 1>are converging right now. But of course today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about just one. I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the financial revolution cycle, eighty year financial revolution cycle. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're here witnessing something that we haven't seen for about

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<v Speaker 1>eighty years since the last time this was reset, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to break it down to you. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to under I want you to understand exactly what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the financial systems with inflation, federal debt,

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<v Speaker 1>and what the FED policy has been so far as

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<v Speaker 1>far as you know, on their warpath raising rates then

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest pace in history.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course we'll talk about the proverbial wall that they're hitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've talked about this many many times, that they're

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<v Speaker 1>stuck between this you know, rock and a hard place,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. Unfortunately, there's probably well it's not really

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<v Speaker 1>a way out, but there's a most likely, most probable

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<v Speaker 1>situation that they'll probably try to pull. We know this,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen in the past, and we know that all

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<v Speaker 1>nations at the end of the at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the rope, end up doing this. So let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit. So of course, we know that

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<v Speaker 1>inflation has been sky high. Of course the Federal Reserve

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<v Speaker 1>that all central banks, they want inflation so they can

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<v Speaker 1>inflate away the debts, so they make the debt much

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper for them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like if you, let's say, ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago, you were the average salary you're making, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen bucks an hour, and you take a six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars loan, and now here you are ten years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and your rate of pay has gone up to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars an hour, but the payment is still the same.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course you want to inflate it away. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the central banks do, specifically the United States, when they

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<v Speaker 1>have thirty two trillion of it. However, for you and I,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so good because as they create more money,

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<v Speaker 1>the value of that money, the purchasing power of that

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<v Speaker 1>money goes down. And so yes, prices go up, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's the value going down. And so you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to say that the two greatest tricks that the

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<v Speaker 1>Fed ever played on us was one telling us trickiness

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<v Speaker 1>that the money supply should always increase. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people think that's the way it should be. It has

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<v Speaker 1>to be that way. And the second trick is that

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<v Speaker 1>asset price is always going up is a good thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good thing for them, but is it really

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing for you? So what I typically ask

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<v Speaker 1>people if they'd say, well, money supply has to increase,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. So when you increase the money supply, prices

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<v Speaker 1>go up or thereby your purchasing power the value of

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<v Speaker 1>have gone down. And I just asked them a simple question,

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<v Speaker 1>would you rather your money buy you more goods and

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<v Speaker 1>services in the future or less? Of course, the answers

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<v Speaker 1>there's always more. Of course, we wanted to buy us more.

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<v Speaker 1>We want our quality of life to be getting better

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<v Speaker 1>and better and better and better. We want to be

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<v Speaker 1>working less and enjoying more. The problem is that our

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<v Speaker 1>money continues to buy us less, so the opposite is true.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to work more and more and more just

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<v Speaker 1>to try to maintain our quality of living or else

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<v Speaker 1>even potentially lose our quality of living at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So that kind of frames it up. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is is that the FED only wants two percent inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>but they overshot their target. We got up to nine

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<v Speaker 1>point one percent, and the Fed looked pretty bad. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to do something about it if they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get back down to two percent, and so they've been

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<v Speaker 1>on the war path, raising rates at the fastest rate

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<v Speaker 1>in history, trying to get that back under wraps. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is that there's really a couple different ways, two

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<v Speaker 1>main ways that you can get price inflation consumer price

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<v Speaker 1>inflation in an economy, and it usually comes from one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other, usually a combination of either one money

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<v Speaker 1>supply growth, and two significant changes in productivity and or

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<v Speaker 1>resource abundant. So basically supply and demand, that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>always comes down to. When there's more demand. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more money in the system creates more demand chasing

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<v Speaker 1>the same you know, set of supplies or less supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>then the price goes up. Now, the problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>the Fed wants inflation to come down, but they really

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<v Speaker 1>can't do much about the supply side of the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>so instead they work on the demand side. If they

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<v Speaker 1>can try to make you and I more poor, we

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<v Speaker 1>can you know, the bring our stock assets down, all

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<v Speaker 1>our assets down, you know. Unfortunately, they want to increase unemployment.

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<v Speaker 1>Two million people would.

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<v Speaker 2>Lose their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>If they could do that. Gas is expensive, stakes expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe we don't spend as much. If we don't

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<v Speaker 1>spend as much, then potentially it comes back down. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is, though, they're working on the wrong side of

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<v Speaker 1>the equation because it's been mostly a supply of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had supply chains breaking down since the pandemic, the

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<v Speaker 1>war with Russia and Ukraine messing things up. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time they have brought down some of that

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<v Speaker 1>consumer demand a little bit a little bit. But the

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<v Speaker 1>problems they're working on the wrong side, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not the consumer that's the one spending, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the fiscal spending.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The US federal government was spending roughly four trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per year into the economy before the pandemic. Going into

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, they increase the spending by about fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>up to six trillion dollars per year, and they're still spending.

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<v Speaker 1>So while the Fed is doing its best to bring

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<v Speaker 1>down your spending, you're an eye spending. They haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot for the fiscal policy.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get.

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<v Speaker 1>Into all that, I want to kind of give you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of an illustration.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a look at some ways that we can

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<v Speaker 2>look at this. So I always like to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say this little controversial kind of piece just to get

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<v Speaker 1>people's attention, and that is that none of us want money.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course you say, what do you mean, of

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<v Speaker 1>course we want money, Well, we don't really want money.

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<v Speaker 1>We want the goods and services that money buys us.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we have to think about money. Obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a medium exchange, and so it's really the other

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<v Speaker 1>things that we want. And the problem is if we

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<v Speaker 1>always price those things in dollars, the price of your

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<v Speaker 1>house and dollars, the price of oil and dollars, then

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<v Speaker 1>we have a very distorted number. And so we want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at gold and oil dollars and oil dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in gold and look at all of those and how

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<v Speaker 1>they work together and move between themselves. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>we take the dollars out of the equation and then

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<v Speaker 1>we compare a price of oil in gold, or we

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<v Speaker 1>look at them both in gold and dollars, we can

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<v Speaker 1>see that since about nineteen thirteen, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>a gold for a barrel of oil, zero point two

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of gold for a barrel of oil to up

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<v Speaker 1>to zero point one four ounces of gold for a

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<v Speaker 1>barrel of oil. And so they fluctuated from nineteen thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>until now in that period very tight. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>jacked up right around you know, nineteen fourteen fifteen, but

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<v Speaker 1>since then they've stayed somewhat pretty relatively stable. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at that same chart in oil, the average

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<v Speaker 1>oil price per year, where of course they've measured in USD.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as they've been continue to increase the USD,

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<v Speaker 1>the price has shot up, and if you could see

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<v Speaker 1>the chart, it looks like a hockey stick. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>starting right there in nineteen seventy three, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>just been going up ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact, you know, the reason why this is such a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal is because gold has a very low inflation rate.

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<v Speaker 1>All the gold in existence is still here and it

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<v Speaker 1>goes up by about one point five percent per year.

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<v Speaker 1>But on dollars, on the other hand, have been going

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<v Speaker 1>up for much much faster. And so with that context

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<v Speaker 1>you can understand how the financial system works, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course you now understand why central banks want the inflation

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<v Speaker 1>to rayge on so they can make that debt cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>and cheaper and cheaper. The problem, of course, is that

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<v Speaker 1>central banks, like I said, can only offset a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of the causes of inflation. And the problem that we

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<v Speaker 1>have here is that because it's really the fiscal deficits

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<v Speaker 1>that are causing this, they're spending that money right into

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<v Speaker 1>the economy, and as the Fed has raised rates, they've

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<v Speaker 1>made us all poor and poor and poorer. But the

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<v Speaker 1>other problem is that that means you and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay as much taxes. There's not as many capital gains taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>and just unemployment has gone up, there's not as much

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<v Speaker 1>taxes overall, and that's just made the situation even worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the federal government didn't have enough money at as

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<v Speaker 1>it is now, taxes went down, and now by the

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<v Speaker 1>raids going up so fast, the amount of interest they

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay on the debt is now only making

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<v Speaker 1>the deficit that much worse. Hey, if you're just tuning in,

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to the Mark Maus Show. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the situation. The FEDS found themselves in the proverbial rock

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<v Speaker 1>and a hard place, sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to set this up a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>You can understand exactly what's going on, you'll know how

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<v Speaker 1>to position yourself, and you'll find out. Unfortunately, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the most likely outcome. It's not that good, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can be prepared for it. We're gonna get you

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<v Speaker 1>ready for that. I got to take a very quick

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<v Speaker 1>break though.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take a minute. I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go away, all right, Welcome back. If you're just

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Maus Show. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>way this world is changing, and today we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>one of the three revolutionary cycles, the eighty year Financial

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<v Speaker 1>revolution cycle, and we're talking about how the FED is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to bring inflation back down with the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the only tool they have. The problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really fixing it because it's not the right

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<v Speaker 1>tool for the right job. You hear a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>how inflation was in the seventies, and you'll hear reference

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<v Speaker 1>to Paul Volker, who raised raids so fast he crushed

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<v Speaker 1>inflation right, And you might hear that Jerme Powell. The

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<v Speaker 1>current of the FED Reserve doesn't want to be compared

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<v Speaker 1>to Arthur Burns. And so Arthur Burns was raising the

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<v Speaker 1>rates and just when he thought he got out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>he lowered the back down. Of course, then inflation raged on.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked bad. But Vulcar he came in and he

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<v Speaker 1>did it right. But the problem is is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>an eighty year financial revolution cycle, and so you have

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<v Speaker 1>to look back a little bit further, and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the most comparable part of history is really in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties. Now I'm getting a lot of this research.

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn Alden has been amazing. She's got a couple charts

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<v Speaker 1>that really show how this works out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really helpful. But she talks about how.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen forties and the nineteen twenties are very similar

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<v Speaker 1>because most of the money supply growth was again from

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<v Speaker 1>the fiscal deficits, right from the government'spin in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>mostly both nineteen forty and twenty twenty related to the

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<v Speaker 1>war and of course twenty twenty pandemic stimulus. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, most of the money growth was from

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<v Speaker 1>the bank lending, and that was mostly related to demographics.

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<v Speaker 1>And so because the seventies inflation was related to bank lending, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then he raised the rates. People don't borrow, no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what happened in the seventies. However, the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties it was different. It was government spending, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the case on that. Now, if Jerome Powell wants to

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<v Speaker 1>treat it like the twenty twenties, then we're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see him fail.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sharply.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's been raising rates to try to stop

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<v Speaker 1>that bank lending. But the bank lending isn't the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Raising or lowering interest rates, changing the price of money

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<v Speaker 1>can only affect money creation and price inflation. But only

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<v Speaker 1>in indirect ways. Now, some people assume that high interest

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<v Speaker 1>rates are necessary, you know, secure price inflation, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not historically the case. In some context, it's neither necessary

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<v Speaker 1>nor even sufficient, because again, they're just one tool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like when you hear like the Fed's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a soft landing, you would imagine like they're

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a like a jet, you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>all the gauges and switches and knobs in there, and

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<v Speaker 1>they can finally too, you know, how this thing is flying.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is it's like a hot air balloon.

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<v Speaker 2>They have one lever.

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<v Speaker 1>They can pull the lever and let the hot air out,

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<v Speaker 1>inflation up, and they can close it inflation down. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really all they have. Inflation up, inflation down. And so

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<v Speaker 1>they are trying to fight this with the wrong tools,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is never going to work. The nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties inflation, both in the US and even some more,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all across the world really globally, was again

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about to monetize fiscal spending on the war.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the war stopped, the fiscal deficit spending stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>the rapid money creation stopped, and then of course, yes

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<v Speaker 1>inflation stopped. As the war ended, the global supply chain

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<v Speaker 1>started to improve, and then productivity return.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had two things.

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<v Speaker 1>One, you had all that money that stopped being spent

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<v Speaker 1>into the economy, and at the same time you improved productivity,

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<v Speaker 1>you lowered demand and increased supply. Guess what happens you

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<v Speaker 1>bring down prices. Imagine that. But if we look at

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<v Speaker 1>other examples, we can see where things have really gotten

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<v Speaker 1>away from this, like Turkey. For example, Turkey has eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent year over year inflation, well at least at the peak,

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<v Speaker 1>and their interest rates were between eight percent and eighteen percent,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously way below the eighty percent, and then of

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<v Speaker 1>course consumer level interest rates were you know, they're higher

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<v Speaker 1>than that, but it's a massive amount of inflation relative

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<v Speaker 1>to the interest rates, and so when that happens, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates a very strong market incentive for people to borrow

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<v Speaker 1>against that currency. So, for example, just to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lay this out, the Turkish lera, that's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gone down eighty percent, It's gone down about ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five percent to the US dollar like over the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years. So if you were in Turkey and using

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<v Speaker 1>Turkish lira and you knew that it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>go down to time machine and go back in time

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<v Speaker 1>five years.

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<v Speaker 2>What should you have done.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have gotten out of Turkish lera. You should

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<v Speaker 1>have exchanged as much as you could of it four dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been good. What would have been better?

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<v Speaker 1>What would have been better would be to borrow as

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<v Speaker 1>much as you could in Turkish lira and then use

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<v Speaker 1>it to buy US dollars, gold stocks, real estate, bitcoin, art,

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<v Speaker 1>anything wine, anything that'd be expected to have a better

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<v Speaker 1>return than the lira, which is almost anything. And by

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<v Speaker 1>borrowing lira they could create more lira because remember we're

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<v Speaker 1>in a debt based system, so you borrow it into existence.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if they don't, you know, or they can't

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<v Speaker 1>borrow it, they could simply refuse to hold it, which

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<v Speaker 1>also contributes to the collapse of the currency.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what known as like a speculative attack, where you

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<v Speaker 1>can borrow the currency, you can sell against it. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to hold it, so in these types of situations, historically,

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<v Speaker 1>raising interest rates above the inflation rate is a key

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<v Speaker 1>method to try to slow down the bank lending right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they would hope to slow down the broad

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<v Speaker 1>money supply, and it works. It works good when that's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem bank lendings. The problem, however, the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>when that's not the problem, it's not going to work. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if inflation is caused by the runaway fiscal debts, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're talking about here, then of course high

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates they're not going to matter because the central bank,

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<v Speaker 1>the government's going to spend the money regardless, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really care what it is they're borrowing the money anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>forces the commercial banks and the central banks to finance

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<v Speaker 1>the government's runaway fiscal deficits. Now, first when they raise rates,

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<v Speaker 1>you might see a little bit of an effect, which

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<v Speaker 1>we did slowed the economy down a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>over time, raising interest rates and then keeping them high

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<v Speaker 1>in an environment where there's runaway government deficits and high

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<v Speaker 1>government debts, where they're causing inflation, then it runs the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of making the inflation even worse. High interest rates

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<v Speaker 1>on large amounts of government debt, especially when they get

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<v Speaker 1>over ninety percent jet to GDP, which now we're up

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<v Speaker 1>to about one to twenty five, it's always going to

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<v Speaker 1>result in even bigger runaway debts because now they're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a ballooning interest payments on the debt, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course this ironically pushes even more money into the economy. Surprise, surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the FED, like if we went back to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty, if the FED would have raised rates really

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<v Speaker 1>sharply in the nineteen forties war, it wouldn't have reduced inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have easily made it much worse, because of

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<v Speaker 1>course the FED and the banking system we're stuck monetizing

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<v Speaker 1>the fiscal deficits anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of hard to understand, isn't it. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>If they continue to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Rates low, then people continue to borrow money and will

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<v Speaker 1>continue to push inflation. If they raise rates high, people

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<v Speaker 1>won't borrow the money, but the government will, especially considering

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<v Speaker 1>their tax receipts will drop and the interest on their

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<v Speaker 1>debt will be going up at the same time. So

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<v Speaker 1>what can the FED do? Unfortunately, there's nothing they can

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<v Speaker 1>do to fix it at this point. Put there is

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<v Speaker 1>something they can do to continue the game. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is like I said earlier at the intro, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what every nation has tried to do from the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of time. It's the final stages. I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that in just a minute, but I gotta take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. If you're just tuning in, you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mark mass Show. Of course, we're always talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the decentralized revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Here the financial revolution cycle, the eighty year of financial

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<v Speaker 1>revolution cycle, and how the FED is in the proverbial

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<v Speaker 1>rock in a hard place with nowhere to go. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to come back and we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the endgame and this third scary solution.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna take a quick break. Don't go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back. Hey, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Moss Show. Of course, we're always talking about the decentralized revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always talk about three revolutionary cycles. Today we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about one of those, which is the financial revolution cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>and how that is happening right now. Of course, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how the FEDS back is against the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about specifically how they've been raising rates

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<v Speaker 1>to try to bring inflation down. And I was saying

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<v Speaker 1>how most people think about the seventies inflation and the

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Volker and the Arthur Burns and how that's wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and really you need to look at the forties for

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<v Speaker 1>better inflation to understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what the Fed is doing, they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to attack the wrong thing. They're trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>you and I retail spending go down. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is it's the governments that are spending the spending the money.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem is is that the more they raise rates,

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<v Speaker 1>the worse it gets for the government, and the more

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<v Speaker 1>money they spend. It's deficit spending. That's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you and I, when we go broke, we

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<v Speaker 1>stop spending money. The government doesn't. The government doesn't. The

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<v Speaker 1>government just runs bigger deficits. That's what they do. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when inflation is caused by runaway fiscal deficits government deficits,

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<v Speaker 1>then high interest rates won't stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>They won't do much to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And basically what it does is because like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it forces the governments to just finance it. It forces

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<v Speaker 1>the governments to borrow even more money. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is is, like I said, is that as the FED

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<v Speaker 1>is rates and then the government's borrowing more money, the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of that borrowing goes up. But it also does

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<v Speaker 1>something else that's really bad. What it also does is,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're trying to bring you and I are spending down,

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<v Speaker 1>consumer spending down, they're making us broke. So our houses

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<v Speaker 1>aren't worth as much, our stocks aren't worth as much.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not buying and selling as much stuff, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>not making as much money. And what that does is

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<v Speaker 1>then we don't pay as much taxes, So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>double whamming for the government. One they don't get near

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<v Speaker 1>as much revenue, so that makes a bigger deficit. And two,

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<v Speaker 1>the interest on the debt went up, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes a bigger deficits.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the deficit is going up two times. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a really, really, really bad situation for the government,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why all of this just makes the problem

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<v Speaker 1>even worse. We can see that over time, raising interest

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<v Speaker 1>rates and keeping them high in an environment like we're

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<v Speaker 1>in now with runaway government deficits and high government debts

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<v Speaker 1>are causing inflations and they just make it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to understand this a little bit, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at some other examples when this has

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<v Speaker 1>happened and what's going on, And we can look back

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<v Speaker 1>into some other examples, like for example, in Turkey. So

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<v Speaker 1>in Turkey we can see that they've been running massive

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<v Speaker 1>inflation over there. As a matter of fact, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing eighty percent inflation for the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>But what Turkey did is.

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<v Speaker 1>As inflation started going up, they cut rates. But as

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<v Speaker 1>they cut rates, inflation went even higher. But eventually it

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<v Speaker 1>started coming back down. They cut interest rates to under

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent, and inflation exploded to over eighty percent. But

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<v Speaker 1>for a period of time, the money supply and the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer price index ended up taking off like a rocket

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<v Speaker 1>ship for Turkey. But the problem with Turkey situation is

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<v Speaker 1>that cutting interest rates did reduce the portion of inflation

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<v Speaker 1>caused by fiscal deficits, but it made the speculative attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on the currency and inflation caused by bank lending. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the problem. If the FED raises rates, then

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is then people don't want to hold the currency,

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<v Speaker 1>or more specifically, they'll borrow against it and cause that

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<v Speaker 1>speculative At tech, nobody wants to hold the lira, especially

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<v Speaker 1>foreign Lira is the Turkish currency and especially foreign entities.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they want to do is they want to

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<v Speaker 1>borrow in Lira. So for example, when inflation was at

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent and I could get a house loan at

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<v Speaker 1>three percent, then I definitely wanted to do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of fact, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a couple of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Because what happens is, remember at the beginning of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we started talking about how they inflate debts away because

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<v Speaker 1>you get paid, you know, five years, ten years down

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<v Speaker 1>the road of that new inflated amount, but your debt

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<v Speaker 1>was locked in at that old rate. So if I

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<v Speaker 1>can get a thirty year fixed loan at thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>and inflation is above that five percent, seven percent, nine percent,

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<v Speaker 1>then I want to borrow as much money as I

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<v Speaker 1>can and let the inflation pay it off. So in

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey that's exactly what happens. But the problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a speculative attack. So now as many people as

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<v Speaker 1>they can, they're borrowing more money. But as they borrow

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<v Speaker 1>more money, that just makes the problem even worse, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they don't want to hold the currency.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's called a speculative attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Argentina saw similar problem that inflation rate of over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. I mean, imagine that one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That means your money basically becomes worthless every year. But

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<v Speaker 1>unlike Turkey, they started aggressively raising interest rates to keep

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<v Speaker 1>up with it. But yet inflation remains completely uncontained. They

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been able to do anything about it. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if interest rate policy isn't the only variable to consider,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course it's not. That's the whole point that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>What we have we're looking back at the nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>is what really caused it was war, Right, They had

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<v Speaker 1>to spend money to go to World War two, and

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<v Speaker 1>we had, of course the pandemic war, the war on

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, the war on COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if inflation is caused by a war, or by

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<v Speaker 1>a demic, graphics bulge, or a high rate of bank lending,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's pretty fixable, right just after the war brings

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.359
<v Speaker 1>spending back down. If it's the high rate of bank lending,

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<v Speaker 1>then get the banks to lend less money.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. However, like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, if you can fix it once the war ends,

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<v Speaker 1>if the government turns back to their budget, then things

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<v Speaker 1>sort of go away. In the nineteen tens and the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forties, the US had high deficit driven inflation, but

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<v Speaker 1>had a clear way to bring it down after the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Why could they do that? Well, the reason why is

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<v Speaker 1>because back then they didn't have the entitlement spending. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is where the proverbial rock and the hard place

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<v Speaker 1>comes into play. This is why this time is different.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the nineteen forties, they didn't have the entitlement spending,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Medicare, the Medicaid, the Social security, the

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<v Speaker 1>interest on the debt, the military spending, all those things.

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>They weren't locked in, and they had a very low

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<v Speaker 1>amount of workers that were dependent on the system. Today

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<v Speaker 1>it's the opposite. Today we have the federal governments have

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<v Speaker 1>bulged and we have more people working for the federal

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>government than ever before, so dependent on the government. We

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<v Speaker 1>also have the entitlement spending which is higher than it's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been at any point, and the government does not

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<v Speaker 1>make enough revenue to even pay the mandatory spending.

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>The entitlement spending didn't pay that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, in the seventies, the US had a low sovereign

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<v Speaker 1>to debt level of about thirty percent debt to GDP.

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<v Speaker 1>That was in the seventies when you hear about Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Burns and vulgar. So it had an easy path to

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<v Speaker 1>raising the rates because the government didn't have that much debt,

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<v Speaker 1>So go ahead and raise the rates. It didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter because the government's the amount of debt that the

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<v Speaker 1>government has just a little bit. So yeah, it makes

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>that debt more expensive, but it's not that.

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<v Speaker 2>Big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But today we have a debt to GDP of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty five percent, So from thirty to

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.399
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty percent, it's a pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So the hardest inflation combination for any central bank to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with is three things. One a high sovereign debt

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<v Speaker 1>to GDP ratio in the seventies was thirty percent, today

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<v Speaker 1>it's one hundred and twenty five. Two large and structural

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>fiscal deficits tied to age demographics and imbalanced entitlement programs.

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>And high military spending. That's a problem. We have high

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>military spending. Check we just went from the war on

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic to now we're war in Ukraine and potentially

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 1>war with China. Two in balance and titament's programs. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you, we can't even afford those. They are

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<v Speaker 1>at highest point ever age demographics, so the baby boom

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<v Speaker 1>generation is the largest segment of the population.

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<v Speaker 2>And then three, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Significant supply constraints such as tight oil markets or labor

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>shortages due to high public debt levels. So significant supply

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>constraints on such tight oil markets and labor storage. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration has done everything they can to shut

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<v Speaker 1>down oil in the United States. So we have supply

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<v Speaker 1>constraints on oil, and because of the high interest rates

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it imposed is capital constraints and makes it very hard

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<v Speaker 1>for the oil companies to get more oil out. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like we're in a pretty bad situation, and so they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bring out the nineteen seventies playbook, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not working. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>They can reduce money creation from bank lending in the

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<v Speaker 1>intermediate term, but ironically it only makes inflation worse. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what's playing out at this point. Fun fun,

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>fun fun. Now let's talk about the nineteen forties playbook, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's about nineteen forties playbook and how they can if

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<v Speaker 1>they keep interest rates low even though we have high inflation,

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>how it could actually reduce the fiscal driven inflation a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, as I said, if they do that,

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<v Speaker 1>then it encourages speculative attacks on the currency. If they

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<v Speaker 1>bring rates down and inflation is running high, everybody's gonna

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>want to borrow the money and attack the currency. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you what is the only outcome from this.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I'm gonna take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I'll be right back, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Moss Show. We're talking about the FED, the FED, the

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>central bank policy and how you know, the we'll just

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>take it higher for longer, we'll just keep it higher,

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>what the Fed's doing to fight inflation, and how it's

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>completely wrong, and how they're really stuck. They're really between

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the proverbial rock and a hard place. Unfortunately, there's maybe

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>only one way out of this, and it's not good.

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, it's not good at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So they've been raising rates to try to bring inflation down.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is I've been explaining. If you've missed it,

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0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:39.880
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0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>me on YouTube at market disruptors. But as they've been

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>raising rates, they haven't really slowed inflation down because it's

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>not the consumers spending that's the problem. It's the government

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>spinning that's the problem. And the governments are going to

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>spend no matter what they do with the rates. But

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>what it does do is it makes the government spend

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 1>even more for two reasons. One, as they raise the rates, consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I were more broke, which is what they're

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to do. And so the government doesn't have as

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>much that they don't have as much income, we don't

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>pay as much taxes, So the government's income goes down,

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>which means they need to spend more deficits, spending more debt.

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And because the interest rates went up, the cost of

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that debt, the payments on the debt go up. As

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, the United States government debt, the

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>interest on the debt has now eclipsed the amount of

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>money that the US spends on its military. Now the

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>US spends more money on its military than the next

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<v Speaker 1>ten countries combined, more than China, more than Russia, more

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>than France, England, Britain, whatever, all of them combined. And

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the interest not paying down the debt. Just the interest

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>on the debt has now eclipsed that. So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>causing a problem now. As I said in the nineteen

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>forties playbook, if they were to keep interest rates low

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>even though inflation was high, then it could reduce the

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>fiscal the governments inside of the inflation a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But it encourages a speculative attack on the currency, where

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<v Speaker 1>we go borrow as much in that currency as we

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>can to go buy any assets that we can. Like

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<v Speaker 1>how I went and bought a couple of properties when

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<v Speaker 1>I could get thirty year fixed at three percent when

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<v Speaker 1>inflation was over that all right, I explained how that

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>works before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go through that again. So what

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>do they do.

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty dangerous situation. If we don't raise rates

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and inflation runs hot, we get the speculative attack. If

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>we do continue to raise rates, then we just make

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>inflation worse.

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>So what do we do? Well, this is where things

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>get a little scary.

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So if we let's just run this back one more time.

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>So let's see if we continue to raise rates, we

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>make retail broke. But that doesn't really solve the problem,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and it actually makes the government deficits worse because the

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>deficit spending. But if we do lower rates, it will

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>reduce the government deficit spending, which is the main problem.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>But then we open ourselves up to a speculative attacks.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So there's a third potential choice. And this is where

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<v Speaker 1>it starts getting scary.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically every single empire and country in the world eventually

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<v Speaker 1>leads to. This is the final stage when this happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of over. A lot of the world has this,

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the United States has it, but

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't have it on a big scale, and that

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is something called capital controls. Capital controls are basically controlling

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<v Speaker 1>the capital, controlling the money, controlling the flow of money

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>in and out of the country, and also the price

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<v Speaker 1>of good So for example, in California, in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, they have rent control. Right, that's a price control,

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a capital control. So well, rents are going up

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>too much, so we'll just say that homeowners can't raise

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the price of those rents anymore. Right, But capital controls

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>are much worse because it controls the flow of capital

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>in and out. I literally just today at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of this recording, got home from being over in Spain

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<v Speaker 1>where I was at a conference. I was speaking in

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<v Speaker 1>a conference over there, and most of the people there

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<v Speaker 1>were international, which I guess is why I was in Spain.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Probably at least two thirds of the group were international,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all business, business people, entrepreneurs, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 1>many of them I talked to from sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>the Nordic countries, so Denmark, Finland, Sweden, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was really surprised, like in the Netherlands, for example,

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand the extent of the capital controls that

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>they have. And so these are business owners and they're

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>doing business selling you know whatever, they're selling supplements or

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>fitness equipment or whatever, all across Europe, but the government

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want money to go in and out of the country,

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and so it makes it very difficult for them to

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<v Speaker 1>do business. Some of the team that ran the event

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<v Speaker 1>are from Argentina. Argentina has some of the highest inflation

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and they also have capital controls. So

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you have this the Argentine I think it's

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the Argentine peso that's losing one hundred percent of its value,

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and so you don't want to hold that right, so

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to exchange it for something else, Well, what

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>would you exchange it for. Well, people would like to

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>exchange it for a dollar. So the official exchange rate,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have it pulled up in front of me,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't quote me exactly. But the government tells you

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<v Speaker 1>that the official exchange rate, because they're trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>it look like it's not so bad, is like two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty to one, two hundred fifty Argentine pesos

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to one dollar. But they only allow you to exchange

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<v Speaker 1>and they just told me this this last weekend, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a written down, so again sorry for

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<v Speaker 1>my not being completely factual. But something like the government

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>only allows you to exchange, you know, one hundred dollars

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of that or something like that. So then there's a

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>black market for that, and the black market is like

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred to one approximately, because people don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hold the Argentine payso they want a dollar. So even

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<v Speaker 1>though the official rate says that, since they can't really

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<v Speaker 1>do much of it, they'll just pay the black rate

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred, five hundred fifty to one.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The government won't let you spend more than I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have written these numbers down. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was like three hundred dollars on their credit card. So

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>these people they're in Spain, they're traveling from Argentinita, but

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<v Speaker 1>they can't spend money on the credit card. Well they can,

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>but only up to like a couple hundred dollars. Once

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<v Speaker 1>they go over that, then it's way worse than even

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<v Speaker 1>the black market rate. Then it's like exchange like a

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and one ratio. Why do they do that

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<v Speaker 1>because they know that the people are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>dumping the Argentine pace so as fast as they possibly can,

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>causing a speculative attack. That's exactly what they don't want,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's the only way to stop it. Nobody's

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>going to want to hold a currency when inflation is

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<v Speaker 1>running that high, and that's exactly where the United States

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<v Speaker 1>finds itself in. So damned if you do, damned if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. Inflation is raging high. The more we raise rates,

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<v Speaker 1>the worse it actually gets. But if we lower rates,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a speculative attack. So what do we do. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we do what every other country in the world has

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<v Speaker 1>done is doing right now, and that is imposing capital controls,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I said, that is very, very very scary,

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<v Speaker 1>especially you know, being in the United States, the land

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<v Speaker 1>of the Free. We don't want our money being locked down.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course this is what they have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only way they can do it. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>only way they can do it if they want to

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<v Speaker 1>try to protect their currency. Some countries, you know, Argentina, Nigeria,

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<v Speaker 1>they've completely cut off access points to cryptocurrency because again,

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<v Speaker 1>people will trade their currency that's losing value for anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what Libwoo Vunmesis calls the crackup boom, and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly the people realize that inflation is both

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<v Speaker 1>permanent and intentional, and then they lose all confidence and

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<v Speaker 1>they want to exchange that currency for anything they can

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as they can. In the currency ultimate plummets

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<v Speaker 1>unless the government doesn't allow you to do it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to stop it. And this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy. So what's been done in the nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 1>The IMF International Monetary Fund put out of paper in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen titled quote the Liquidation of Government Debt and

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<v Speaker 1>an outline something that we call financial repression, and it

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<v Speaker 1>says that in this paper. Quoting it, it says here quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we suggest that once again, financial repression may be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the toolkit deployed to cope with the most recent

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<v Speaker 1>surge in public debt and advanced economies. So what they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying it says here quote financial repression is most successful

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<v Speaker 1>in liquidating debt when accompanied by inflation. For the advanced economies,

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<v Speaker 1>real interest rates were negative half the time. So what

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying in this paper is the goal to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the debt is to lock you in into

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<v Speaker 1>the bond market that pays a very low yield when

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<v Speaker 1>you have high inflation, so they inflate their debt away,

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<v Speaker 1>trapping you in the system so there's no escape out

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<v Speaker 1>for you, and stealing your wealth to.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring theirs back down. It's a very very scary thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've seen this in some shape or form already,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's only getting worse, and unfortunately it appears that

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<v Speaker 1>it's the government's only way out. Damned if you do,

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<v Speaker 1>damned if you don't. And you and I are cott

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle. Now, what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Will you get out?

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<v Speaker 1>While you still can buy gold, buy bitcoin, buy some houses,

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<v Speaker 1>by buy something, because otherwise you're going to be stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in this financial repression nightmare. If you're just tune in,

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of course, we're

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<v Speaker 1>always talking about the decentralized revolution of three revolutionary cycles

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<v Speaker 1>are converging in today. We just broke down the eighty

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<v Speaker 1>year financial revolution cycle and exactly what's happening. Hopefully, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't meant to scare you. It's to tell you what's

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<v Speaker 1>coming so you can prepare. I'd love to hear what

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I got. Thanks so much for listening. Until

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<v Speaker 2>next time,