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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechdel Cast. But just a second. It's

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Laftus. My name is Caitlin Durante,

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Speaker 1: and this is our show where we examine movies through

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Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel test simply as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point. But Jamie, what is it? Well,

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Speaker 1: I can let you know, Caitlin Durante. The Bechtel test

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Speaker 1: media metric created by Ker cartoonist Alice Becktel, sometimes called

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Speaker 1: the Bactel Wallace Test. Lots of different versions of this test,

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Speaker 1: Here's the one we use. The test requires that there'll

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Speaker 1: be two characters of a marginalized gender with names speaking

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Speaker 1: end of the third John Wick movie. Oh, I think

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Speaker 1: But yes, in honor of the new John Wick, the

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Speaker 1: by Willem Dafoe, to be like, hey, will you kill

420
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: John Wick for me? And Willem Dafoe is like, yeah,

421
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: I'll do it even though we've learned the John Wick

422
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: and Willem Dafoe are friends. There ain't my honor among

423
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: thieves exaxactly. Meanwhile, John Wick checks into this hotel for assassins,

424
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: The Continental, run by Lance Reddick, which is so iconic.

425
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: I wish that's another I was like, I wanted more

426
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: John like Wizama. I wanted more lance red Although Lance Reddick,

427
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a meal of whatever it is he's doing. Oh,

428
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: Lance Reddick and Ian McShane in The Continental or two

429
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: of my absolute favorite characters because they build so much

430
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: lower in such a short amount of time of like

431
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: this entire universe. It gives this illusion of like this

432
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: entire universe that's happening underneath your nose, with its own

433
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: set of like rules and practices, and like the Continental,

434
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on a soapbox for a second. The

435
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: Continental specifically, is this point in the movie, similar to

436
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: like Vigo, that establishes an old guard, like somebody a

437
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: generation that has like learned how to do something before

438
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: and had to establish a set of rules and guidelines

439
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: that you have to live in to keep things from

440
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: becoming total bedlam and total anarchy and it serves as

441
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: this really cool foil to like Miss Perkins and the

442
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: Continental is at Alfie Allen to Vigo in terms of

443
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: like you have this new, younger thing that has like

444
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: benefited from this older system that doesn't give a shit

445
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: about why the rules are in place, and suffer because

446
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: of that because they think the rules are there just

447
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: to be restrictive, and it's like, no, they're here because

448
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: you can't exist in this world without them. If you

449
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: don't respect your elders, you're cooked, babe, You're cooked. Your

450
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: membership to the Continental is revoked by thine own hand. Yeah. Yeah,

451
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's an excellent way to put it. I

452
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I've never seen a concept like

453
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: the Continental in a movie, and it's so like it's

454
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: such a simple concept where you're like, this is where

455
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: there are rules. If you break the rules, something bad

456
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: will happen to you. And it's so good. And the

457
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: scenes with the scene, particularly with Lance Reddick and Ian

458
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: McShane towards the end, where I feel like in their

459
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: scenes together they're not even ever looking at each other,

460
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: but so good, Like it's just yeah, so Lance Reddick

461
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: is the like concierge of the hotel for Assassins, and

462
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Winston played by Ian McShane is the like owner slash manager.

463
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: He's reading at the bar. You're like, awesome, Yeah, he's cool.

464
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: There's also this like special Assassin currency, these like gold

465
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: coins that they're market are yes, And that's when you

466
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: realize that one of the things about this franchise is

467
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: that Assassins belong to this almost like secret society that

468
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: has all these rules, that has all these members. And

469
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: as the franchise goes, you learn that like so many

470
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: people are part of this secret society and you're just like, wow,

471
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: why wasn't I invited? Anyway? I know what if someone

472
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: drops one of the Mario coins and then you're just like,

473
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: what is this That looks fake and it's like, no,

474
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: that's Assassin money, that's Assassin coins. I loved. I'm sure

475
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: someone's done some sort of deep dive on like what

476
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: is the coin to USD when there's a recession, does

477
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: it hit the Assassin coins? So many questions, Well it

478
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: seems I, yeah, I can't figure out the high value

479
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, get rid of thirteen bodies, that's

480
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: going to be that's like thirteen thirteen coins, but also

481
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: staying several nights at the Continental only costs one coin,

482
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: so which is what it costs one body, So it's

483
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: like a half a body at night. Yeah, I guess

484
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because there's just like solid gold

485
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: and they just go by the weight of gold. Oh yeah,

486
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: that would I mean, that would fit in with the

487
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: old school rules that sort of seemed to run this

488
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: underground world. That Actually, Vanessa, I think you cracked it.

489
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: It's maybe not a per body system like I had

490
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out. You never know, Okay, anyway,

491
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: So john Wick goes to Winston and finds out that

492
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Joseph is going to be at this nightclub called the

493
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Red Circle. So john Wick goes there. There's a huge

494
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: action sequence where he chases after Joseph through the club.

495
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: He's killing a bunch of Vigo's goons along the way,

496
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: but Joseph manages to escape, so john Wick just calls

497
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: it night and goes back to the hotel for assassins

498
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: and goes to bed. But then this lady assassin, Perkins

499
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: played by Adrian Paliki, comes in and tries to kill

500
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: john Wick on the grounds of the Continental right, which

501
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: is against the rules. The whole thing with the Continental

502
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: is that no business can be conducted on the grounds

503
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: of the hotel for assassins, meaning you cannot kill anyone there.

504
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: But she tries to kill him there, he stops her,

505
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: he gets the upper hand, and then he spares her

506
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: because she gives him information about a front that Vigo

507
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: is running out of a church. So John Wick goes

508
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: to this church and destroys all the money and all

509
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: the stuff in Vigo's vault. I recently saw Highlander for

510
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: the first time. Brag wow that church scene. I was like, oh,

511
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: like Highlander. Wow, It's like when mister Crabs shows up

512
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: to church and Highlander, you know, I ter Crabs Clancy Brown. Ah.

513
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never seen Highlanders, So it took

514
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: me a second to figure out what was happening. And

515
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, no, Clancy Brown gotta gotta

516
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: get it. You know who else? You know who else

517
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: is in John Wick four? Mister Crabs is Oh, that's right,

518
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Clancy Browns and mister Crabs is gonna are his way

519
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: into John Wicks. Who's gonna and you know who loves

520
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: gold coins? Mister Crabs it makes sense, Okay. So Vigo

521
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: is upset that John Wick torched all of his stuff

522
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: in the vault, so he captures john and he's like,

523
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: good over it. It was just a car and a dog,

524
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: and John is like, that dog was given to me

525
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: by my wife, and your son took that from me.

526
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Then there's another fight where john Wick kills more of

527
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Vigo's goons with the help of Willem Dafoe, who turns

528
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: out has no intention of killing John Wick because again

529
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: they're friends. It's kind of the most beautiful part of

530
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: the story. It is how Willem Dafoe is always like

531
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: gazing from a window helping his buddy out. Yes, it's nice.

532
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: Nice male friendship can be nice. Yeah, like when you

533
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: snipe someone from a window top your boys sacked. I

534
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: really did, Like, I mean, I thought that that was

535
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of like my favorite relationship in the movie. Then

536
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Vigo gives up his son Joseph's location, which is a

537
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: safe house in Brooklyn. So john Wick goes there, finds

538
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Joseph and shoots him, and Vigo does not like that

539
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: this happened, so first he kills Willem Dafoe for betraying him,

540
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: and then there's a shootout between Vigo and his goons

541
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: and John Wick. John Wick kills most of them, so

542
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: now it's just John and Vigo in hand to hand combat.

543
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: They both get stabbed, Vigo dies, John Wick gets away.

544
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Cut to the opening scene of the movie where he's

545
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: bleeding out and watching Dead Wife dot MP four on

546
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: his phone. But then he finds the strength to get

547
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: up because she's like, come on, John, let's go home

548
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: and the power of Dead Wife. Yeah, let's get ahead.

549
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: And then he goes into an animal hospital that's right there.

550
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: He staples his wound shut, and then there are some

551
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: dogs and kennels and he takes one. This racks He's like,

552
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: this dog is now the second I was hearing the

553
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: yips of the dog. I'm like, God, damn it, they

554
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: stuck the landing. Yeah, that's so good. So he takes

555
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: a dog I think it's a pit bull and he's like,

556
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: let's go home. The end yip yip. So that's John

557
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Wick one. I'll do really quick recaps of John Wick

558
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: two and three just to kind of give you an

559
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: idea of how the franchise progresses. Does the second dog live? Yes?

560
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: The second dog Good Dogs keeps living Yes, yes, oh yeah,

561
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, Well I couldn't. I couldn't go through

562
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: that again. I couldn't let them do that to me again. Truly,

563
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: not they. I mean, I know it's important to the

564
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: movie that we lose Daisy. I just wasn't prepared to

565
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: los hers so quickly. Yeah, you just got Oh, she's

566
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: so cute and clear and that that little dog clearly

567
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: just loves Keanu Reeves as a person, because if you're

568
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: a puppy, of course you would love Keanu Reeves. He's

569
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: so lovable, he's got a good spirit. Okay, So wait,

570
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: what happens in the in the sequels? Okay? John Wick

571
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: two from twenty seventeen. So, after the events of the

572
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: first movie, John Wick wants to go back into retirement

573
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: and hang out with the dog he stole at the

574
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: end of the first movie. Nice, but another crime boss,

575
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: Santino D'Antonio, approaches John Wick with a marker basically a

576
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: blood oath kind of thing where Santino had done something

577
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: to help John Wick in the past, and now he's

578
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: returning to collect on the debt that John owes him,

579
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: and Santino one John to kill his sister Gianna D'Antonio

580
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: because Stantino wants her spot at the High Table, which

581
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: is this like high court of assassins and crime lords.

582
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Does this have to do with the Continental also or

583
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: is this a separate thing. So the High Table is

584
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: like basically the government of the secrets of the assassin nation. Yeah, okay,

585
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: got it. And then the Continental is just like a

586
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: safe haven that operates within you know, this underworld. It's

587
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the Deadwood Zoe to speak. Okay, got it, So now

588
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: you're speaking my language. So John Wick, knowing that he

589
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: can't retire and be at peace while this marker is

590
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: still active, he goes to Rome. He checks into the

591
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Hotel for Assassins Italy edition, He makes a bunch of preparations,

592
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Gianna to kill her. She

593
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: takes her own life before he can do that. Point

594
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: is she dies, and now Santino is like, well, I

595
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: have to avenge my sister's death, so now I have

596
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: to kill you John Wick. Even though it was Santino

597
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: who wanted John to kill his sister, I don't really

598
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: double cross understan Yeah, So Santino puts a price on

599
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: John Wick's head and then with the help of the

600
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: Bowery King played by Laurence Fishburne. But yeah, wow, you

601
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: thought you thought we were done with movies starring Keanu

602
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Reeves and Laurence fishburn after the Matrix. Glad we weren't.

603
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: We're not done. Okay, he's back, Okay, okay. So john Wick,

604
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: with the Bowery King's help, goes after Santino. He kills

605
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of his goons. He finally kills Santino, but

606
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: he does it at the hotel for Assassins. He does

607
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: it at the Continental, which is again, I can't do

608
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: the assassins code Ian makes Shane and said no, He said, no,

609
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: don't do that. So Winston has no choice but to

610
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: excommunicate john Wick from the Assassin's Secret Society, and now

611
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: everyone is going to try to kill john Wick and

612
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: he's going to have to deal with that in the

613
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: next movie. I did watch the first five minutes of

614
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: john Wick three, and I like that there is like

615
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: that group of that group of women that are all

616
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: wearing hot topic clothes and they just talk about who

617
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: is the most wanted in the world. At the beginning

618
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: of the movie where they're all wearing like those Bizarro outfits.

619
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: They're like John Wick fourteen million dollars, Ye, get his ass,

620
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: and then they're like, okay, let's change our manual board.

621
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Well, the thing about the Bowery movie take

622
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: place in I think it's modern day, but there's a

623
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: lot because, like as the Bowery King says in I

624
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: think the third movie, computers and phones and all that

625
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: stuff you can hack. But you know what, you can't

626
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: hack carrier pigeons because the Bowery King's whole thing is

627
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: that he has this group of like carrier pigeons and

628
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Speaker 1: that's how he sends messages around. You wouldn't download a pigeon, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's that's merch and I so you've got to get

630
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: on that y um. Okay. So the third movie picks

631
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: up immediately where chapter two leaves off. John Wick is

632
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: on the run because now every assassin in the world

633
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: is trying to kill him. Meanwhile, there's an adjudicator. Guess

634
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: who had to look up what adjudicate meant me? I

635
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: did too. I was like, I don't know what this is?

636
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: What is this word? What is it? Basically, someone who

637
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: casts judgment on someone else or someone who kind of

638
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: like evaluates things in a judge way, like a like

639
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: a judge, like a basically a judge judge for higher

640
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: Well they should just say that, yeah, but a judicator

641
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: has more syllables and therefore it's fancier. Hell yeah. Anyway,

642
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: So this adjudicator from the High Table played by Asia

643
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: Kate Dillon is going around to all the people who

644
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: helped John Wick kill Santino and then help John Wick escape.

645
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: So they're going to Winston and the Bowery King, and

646
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: the adjudicator is like, shame on you. John Wick meanwhile

647
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: goes to Casablanca to see Sophia played by Holly Berry.

648
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: He wants her to help him get to someone called

649
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: the Elder, because the Elder can reverse John Wick's excommunicato

650
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: status and give him another shot at life. So John

651
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: Wick goes to the desert to find the Elder, who

652
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: wants John to kill Winston. But then when John goes

653
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: to do this, Winston reminds him that he will be

654
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: a servant of the High Table and that his life

655
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: will suck, and John is like, wow, you're right, never mind,

656
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill you. And then because of that,

657
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the hotel for assassins is declared deconsecrated, meaning business can

658
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: now be conducted there, meaning people can come to kill

659
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: John and Winston, which is what everybody does. But John

660
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: Wick is like, as if you could kill me, so

661
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: he kills everyone who shows up, and then there's this

662
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: final showdown between him and a guy named Zero, who

663
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: has been after him the whole movie. Play by Mark

664
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: de Cascos. I love him so much. He's very good.

665
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: There's this great scene where he's like, John, I'm a

666
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: huge fan of yours and we are going to try

667
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: to kill each other later, but for now, big fan.

668
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: I love the fanboy aspect of it, and I can't

669
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: think of a better dude to play it than Mark

670
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: de Cascos, who's like most dangerous looking man he knows

671
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: like he like. His martial arts repertoire is absolutely insane,

672
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: like if you look up his the amount of movies

673
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: that he's done and the different kinds of martial arts

674
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: that he's done for each movie, absolutely crazy. But he's

675
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: played like Mark Dicasco's The guy is a very like

676
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm just really cool and high perpositive all the time,

677
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: so like seeing him play him but still be like

678
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: a dangerous Assassin was just such a funny character choice.

679
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: I love zero. Yeah, zero is great. That's so cool.

680
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: So after john Wick has killed everybody, the adjudicator is like, okay, fine, Winston,

681
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: you can have your hotel for Assassin's back, but what

682
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: are you going to do about john Wick? So Winston

683
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 1: shoots and kills john Wick. But just kidding, john Wick

684
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: is not dead. He and his dog go to the

685
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Bowery King and they're like, all right, let's get ready

686
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: to kick some ass. And the next movie. Yes, so

687
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: that's the franchise as a whole. Let's take another quick

688
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: break and then we will come right back. Hey, Caitlin, Yeah,

689
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: are we back from break? Well? People keep asking if

690
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: we're back, and we haven't really had an answer, but

691
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: now yeah, I'm thinking we're back. Yeah. It's such a

692
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: good Keyanu delivery. I love how Keanu says words. Sometimes

693
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't always make sense to me, but that's a

694
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: part of why I love it. It's great. There's an

695
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: early that I mean that there's a couple of monologues

696
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: in this movie that just fucking rip. But I think

697
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: my favorite line read from him in this particular movie.

698
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why. And maybe it is nonsensical that

699
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: I feel this way, but I love when he first

700
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: gets Daisy how he's like, I'll get you some kibble later.

701
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: For some reason, that line of dialogue really I was like,

702
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna like this movie. But

703
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: then when he said I'll get you some kibble later,

704
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna make this movie

705
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: work because listen to him say that. I think it's

706
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: because he sounds like legitimately apologetic, the way you would

707
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: be to like a little guy do a dog like that.

708
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: He's very much like, I hope this holds you over

709
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: and it's fine in a way that implies that he

710
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: wants the dog to understand his apology. Oh can't you

711
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: some kile. The only way that that scene could have

712
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: been better for me is if we saw him do

713
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: what I always do before I feed an animal something,

714
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: which is google can I feed dog cereal? But John

715
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: Wick is an all knowing creature, so I assume that

716
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: he's had to learn this before. Exactly, All right, where

717
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: should we start, Vanessa? Does anything jump out to you

718
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: where you'd like to start? I mean, I definitely got

719
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: to have a little little soapbox about like Old Guard

720
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: versus New Guard. But it's one of my favorite like

721
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: through lines in this movie because like on the first watch,

722
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: you only see it with like specifically Alfie Allen's character,

723
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: but like there is that foil to it with Miss

724
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Perkins as well in terms of like is there honor

725
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: among thieves? Should there be? Can there be? And that

726
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: kind of becomes like the question of the franchise. But

727
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: I think where I want to start is something that

728
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I were talking about before we started recording,

729
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: which was the soundtrack is really unique for this when

730
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: it comes to like an action movie. I feel like

731
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: it's a lot more like muted, soft female voices, a

732
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: little bit less like bombastic than you remember like an

733
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: action movie with like click clickpoom playing over it. And

734
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: it's like it's a more thoughtful soundtrack. Yeah. The scene

735
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: that it really stuck out to me was the Red

736
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Circle night Club bath house action set piece where Keanu

737
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Reeves is just like going through and absolutely like demolishing

738
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: everyone in extremely violent ways. But it's like this angelic

739
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: woman singing this like it's almost any Yeah, it's like

740
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: a very calm, soft like you could play this when

741
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: you're like doing yoga or something. And the lighting also

742
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: in that scene is like very like purple, like the

743
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: bisexual lighting. It's like purples and pigs and blues, and

744
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: it's just like, it feels more like feminine in a

745
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: weird way than so much action movie esthetics. I guess

746
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely sleeker, and it's the most in action movie

747
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: cares about being at least American. It's the most an

748
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: American action movie cares about being a pretty movie. It's

749
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: very pretty. Well, that's something I want to touch on,

750
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: just kind of in general, is action movie tropes and

751
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: trends and how the John Wick franchise participates in those

752
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: or doesn't, which we can kind of look at via

753
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: John Wicks allies and adversaries and ask are any of

754
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: them women? Well, let's take a look. So if women

755
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: are in action movies, there are some common tropes that

756
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: you'll see, and they're usually quite reductive. So I'm just

757
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: speaking generally here, but I have a list of tropes.

758
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Bear with me. One trope is that women are not

759
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: allowed to engage in the action or the fighting. They

760
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: are damseled, their character isn't a trained fighter, they're left

761
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: behind for some reason, or they're ejected out of the

762
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: action for whatever reason. The implication of this often being

763
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: women are too delicate to fight. Combat is a man's game,

764
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: or another big hope, which is that women are the

765
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: prize to be won by the male hero. So a

766
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: woman in an action movie is often just there to

767
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: be the love interest of the action hero. He will

768
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: defeat the villain and save the day, and then the

769
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: woman is his prize. She is usually given very little

770
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: characterization and personality. She is just a hot lady by

771
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: western beauty standards and is basically a trophy. And that

772
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: is one of the more I think interesting subversions of

773
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: John Wick is that, like he is not a hypersexual character, right,

774
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: even though people grow hypersexual thinking about him. Everyone's because

775
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: really hot, Yeah, he's really hot in this movie. It's

776
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: like it's impossible for anyone to witness him and not

777
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: be like Ouga. But let's fucking go, Yes, the James

778
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Cameron Ouga starts going off. But yeah, I did think

779
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: it was I mean, because I mean, and I was

780
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: like reading up like a bunch of you know, kind

781
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: of comparative studies of like how John Wick kind of

782
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: squares with other action heroes. And I know that you

783
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: and Vanessa no far more about this than I do.

784
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: But even like just thinking of like your classic action hero,

785
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: like your your James Bonds, You're like on Claude van

786
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Dam's cruise, it's not even out of the question to

787
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: have a dead wife situation, which I think is one

788
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: of the trips that this movie doesn't really do very

789
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: much with. But like it's not even that that is unique,

790
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: it's more just that like it's almost I don't know,

791
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: it's so assumed that an action hero is horny, horny,

792
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: horny horny, and that's just not on his mind. He's

793
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: going through a lot right now, you guys. He's still grieving.

794
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: He's not looking to date right now exactly. He's oh

795
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: my god, the Riyah messages John Wick would be sending.

796
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: He'd be like, I'm just looking for something and casual, Okay,

797
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm only here for friends all it's on bumble BF. Yeah.

798
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: I think John Wick is more likely to be on

799
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: bumble BFF than Riyah. Like I think he's looking for

800
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: like play dates for the dog more than he's like

801
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: looking for an actual date himself. Definitely, Oh yeah, yes,

802
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: he's showing up to Bumble BF dates being like, there's

803
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: one rule, don't fall in love with me, and it's impossible.

804
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: And if anyone knows about rules, it's everyone in the

805
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: Assassin society, the Mario coins. It's all a thing. But

806
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: miss Perkins doesn't give a shit because what does her

807
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: main personality trait? Money? It's the first thing out of

808
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: his mouth where he's like, I thought she didn't get

809
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: out of bed for anything less than like whatever the

810
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: amount that he said it was. Perkins has one thing

811
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: on her mind, and it's money, and it's making the

812
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: absolute most of it possible. He's a capitalist. I love

813
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: that there's no like hidden sexual tension between the two

814
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: of them is she wants to get paid, and she's

815
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna get paid by gilling John Wick, right. So this, Yeah,

816
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: So that'll play into some of these other tropes I'm

817
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna unpack here. One is if women are allowed to fight,

818
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: they are only allowed to fight other women, where women

819
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: on the good guy's side fight the women on the

820
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: bad guy's side, but men and women don't fight each other.

821
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: That's not something that takes place in this franchise. Another

822
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: trope will be that women are allowed to fight, but

823
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: the fight choreography will be heavily sexualized. We've talked about

824
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the pussy slam a million times on the podcast, where

825
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: a woman wraps her legs around a guy's face or

826
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: the crotches. Right, there are the alternative of like saying

827
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: one Quippi line and getting one kick in during the fight, right,

828
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: everyone goes, whoa broking kick? So there's that trope. There's

829
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: the just women are used as sexy set dressing trope

830
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: where because the target audience this movie is not impervious too,

831
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: it's not but it's not egregious. I would say, no, no,

832
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a particularly bad offender, but there

833
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: are I mean, there's this movie's definitely got some tropes

834
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: going on. Oh yes, for sure. Yeah. And then another

835
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: trope that we see in action movies is that women

836
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: will get tangled up in the action and then are

837
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: brutalized as a result. And often that brutalization is something

838
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: that the movie really like revels in and exploits, and

839
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: it treats it like it's part of this spectacle. I

840
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: would say that the John Wick franchise generally avoids most

841
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: of these tropes. Not entirely. But again, like as far

842
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: as action movie franchises go, John Wick is doing a

843
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: lot better in these regards because some of the assassins

844
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: are women and they do fight John or fight alongside him,

845
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: like we see Halle Berry do in the third movie.

846
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: She has too two dogs and she has two dogs. Yeah, okay, yes, okay,

847
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: they both live. Okay, I'm so I'm sold on three. Um.

848
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: In the john Wick franchise, women are not brutalized in

849
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: a way that feels exploitative. If a woman dies, it

850
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: just feels like an assassin dying. Yeah, it's it's an

851
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: even play playing ground for who gets marked. Right. Women

852
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: are not framed as the prize to be one because

853
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: John Wick never has a love of interest. As we say,

854
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: he only loves his dead wife. Um, which is something

855
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: will unpack further later. Yeah, it's like the guys. The

856
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: movie starts with a double fridging. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, um,

857
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: it's true justice for Daisy, Justice for Daisy. And the

858
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: women as set dressing. There is some of that, especially

859
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: in the first movie. There is some cinematography that lingers

860
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: on like a woman's butt, but this doesn't really happen

861
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: in which is the later installments I noticed. I mean,

862
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: it's like I'm not even like, you know, opposed to

863
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: like they're being hot ladies in a movie. I think

864
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: it's just more I don't know, I mean, and I

865
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: can only speak to the first one, right, I don't know. Yeah,

866
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to hear what you both think about it,

867
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: because starting with the Double Fridging, I was just like, okay,

868
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to talk about miss Perkins in particular

869
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: because Vanessa, I think you've already said so many like

870
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: really smart things about what she represents and the tropes

871
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: that she avoids, and then I feel like there's other

872
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: elements that are kind of unavoidable because she's the only

873
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: woman who is an assassin, and so I feel like

874
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: there's stuff that automatically ends up sort of projected onto her,

875
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: and like she dies in such a brutal way and

876
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: she's like so dishonorable, and I like that as a character.

877
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: And I also because she's the only woman, it just

878
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't even think that the

879
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: movie is like trying to say anything broad but because

880
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: she's the only person who's not a sis man who

881
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: like in this profession, it feels that way at times.

882
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Now, I get what you mean.

883
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy that she just gets to be a straight

884
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: up villain, yeah, because I feel like any other movie

885
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: would have taken a character like her and made her

886
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: a very like sexualized villain, Like it's very easy to do,

887
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: especially because she's just like a very attractive actress, but

888
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: also given her like some kind of like mysterious connection

889
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: to John And I like that in this universe she

890
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: gets to just exist as somebody's that's completely looking out

891
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: for herself, which is literally what every assassin is there for.

892
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: And I do feel like her dispatching is brutal, but

893
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it's justified because of the way, because of

894
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: the way specifically, like the rules of the Continental have

895
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: been teased to like something like there is something that

896
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: will happen to you if you break these rules. I

897
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: feel like the movie does a good enough job of

898
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: like building up and seating like there's a really really

899
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: good reason you don't break this rule. And her death

900
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: could have easily been very unceremonious, and the fact that

901
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: there was like some ceremony to it very much was like, Yeah,

902
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Perkins was a formidable opponent. She's not going to be

903
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: felled easily by one guy. She's not going to be

904
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: felled easily like one guy. She stabbed him in through

905
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: the face of the pillow. You're gonna need a team

906
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: of people to take down Miss Perkins, right, And I

907
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: think that's something that you don't really get in action movies,

908
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: where a female character is someone that is so formidable

909
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: that you need to call in an entire ass crew

910
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: to take out. Right. I mean that I totally agree

911
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: with you. I think it's just more of my thing

912
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: is like I wish that there were like the two

913
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: women that we get to know in the first movie. Well,

914
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: the one woman we get to know in the first

915
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: movie is Miss Perkins. Yeah. And then again it's we've

916
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: had like this commversation and almost every genre we've ever

917
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: covered where it's like, well, if there were more women around,

918
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: it would feel less. Yeah, whatever, when you don't have

919
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: to be a monolith, when there's more than one, one

920
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: person doesn't have to be the goddamn monolith, and like

921
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: the end all be all for like what it means

922
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: for that marginalized community, even when we're not trying to

923
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: make a monolith when you only put one in. Congratulations

924
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: you made a monolith, right right, You're like, okay, you

925
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: can be evil villain or dead wife dot MP four.

926
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: And those are like the two flavors of women that

927
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: we meet in this movie. I think that's why I

928
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: like the third one so much, is you start to

929
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: see the different flavors of complicated women that exists in

930
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: this universe. And I feel like with every movie they

931
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we're adding more. You win, you win,

932
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: We're adding more. It's true. And because so the first movie, yes,

933
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: basically just has one living female character. So even though

934
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: this franchise generally avoids a lot of these like reductive

935
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: tropes as far as action movie tropes go, it's still

936
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: a very male dominated franchise. And even just looking at

937
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: like John wicks allies, they are mostly men. And it's

938
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: not until the third movie that he has like multiple

939
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: allies who are women. Up until that point, it's just

940
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: like Willem Dafoe, John Logizamo, the Concierge, Winston the Doctor,

941
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: the King of the Bowery, and the bartender is a woman.

942
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh she is in a scene that lasts for like

943
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: two minutes. Maybe she gets a name, right, he does

944
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: get a name, yes, and it does have like John Wick,

945
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: you are awesome. She does say something that's worth touching

946
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: on in this movie, which is that he is vulnerable,

947
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: and I want to unpack that further later. But sure,

948
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: but she is. I wouldn't say she's like a character though, No,

949
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: she's more like an NPC in a video game. Yeah exactly.

950
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, okay, we need plot information. But does

951
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: she ever come back? No? Yeah, okay, oops by sea.

952
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, make no mistake, this is a very male

953
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: dominated franchise and this is something just worth mentioning that.

954
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: And we've had this discussion here and there when talking

955
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: about different action movies. But there's always this question, at

956
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: least that I'm thinking of of, like what does a

957
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: feminist fight scene in an action movie look like? Does

958
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: such a thing exist? Or like what does gender parody

959
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: in a fight scene look like? Especially because there is

960
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: a long history in the real world of men inflicting

961
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: violence against women and men exerting physical power over women

962
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: because the patriarchy conditions men to be aggressive and to

963
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: value physical strength and to resolve conflict through violence. So like,

964
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: with that context, when you examine action movie violence and

965
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: women's participation in that or lack of participation in that,

966
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Like how that float? Do you? It's yeah, I have

967
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: that fight scene. As soon as you said it, I

968
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: was like, I know exactly what it is. It's from

969
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: a movie called Writing Wrongs, which is directed by Unbo,

970
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: who's like one of like the end alb all for

971
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: like Kung fu movies. Now. The actress is Cynthia Rothrock.

972
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: Cynthia Rothrock is maybe one of the greatest female action

973
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: stars that has ever lived. She performed mostly in Hong

974
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: Kong because the US was not ready for her, and

975
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: the US did not make roles in action movies for

976
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: women like Cynthia Rothrock, so Hong Kong was one of

977
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: the few places that could like appreciate a woman of

978
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: her caliber and skill. She's in a scene with another

979
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: stage fighting actress named Karen Shepherd and if you want, oh,

980
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: actually I have two scenes for this if you want

981
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: like feminists, this is what women look like when they're

982
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: fighting women and there's nothing like sexualized about it, and

983
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: it very much treats them as formidable. You have Karen

984
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Cythia Rothrock fighting each other in writing wrongs.

985
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: Please look it up. One of them uses their belt

986
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: like a goddamn lasso. It's fucking crazy. It is one

987
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: of the most It is one of the most incredible

988
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: on screen fights grace to screen. And then the other

989
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: one is a scene between three women and it's one

990
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: of the longest fight scenes in the movie in a

991
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: movie directed by Timo Tjanto called The Night Comes for

992
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: Us and Julia Estella is a former ballerina that learned

993
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: how to on screen fight for this movie and she

994
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: is outstanding and fighting to lesbian lover villains great and

995
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: it is this extended, gory, wild fight scene that is

996
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: so good. So those are if you're looking for fight

997
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: scenes between women that actually have like a lens that

998
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: isn't like sexualizing them and treats them as formidable. Look

999
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: up those two scenes. They are outstanding. Okay, Oh I'm

1000
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: so well, we'll link that in the description slash. I'm

1001
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: going to watch it the second we finished recording, because

1002
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: that's very exciting to me. Not Rocks. I always go

1003
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: to the Charlie Starren Tom Hardy the first sight fight

1004
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: scene that they engage in in Mad Max Fury Road.

1005
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it feels like I don't know, it feels

1006
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: like gender parodies as far as like action fight scene

1007
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: with a man fighting a woman. It's definitely tricky, yeah,

1008
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: because it's like I mean, I almost feel like for

1009
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: me again, this is like not my genre, but it

1010
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: feels like a you know it when you see it

1011
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: kind of situation, right, because it is like, especially when

1012
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: it's like a sis man fighting any marginalized group like

1013
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: that is not another sis man. Like I understand why.

1014
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: It's like a historically loaded thing to be and I

1015
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: think for a long time in movies they would just

1016
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: instead choose to not depict it because you just didn't

1017
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: at least in American movies, it just seemed like, well,

1018
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: we don't really know how to handle this, so we're

1019
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: just not going to do it and act like this

1020
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: never and like sort of in an unintentional way, I

1021
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: act like this never happens in the world, right, And

1022
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: I like that there is franchises like john Wick and

1023
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: others in the past, maybe like twenty years where it's

1024
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: like you do see you you see movies not shying

1025
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: away because it is like even if you're like, oh,

1026
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to depict you know, a man beating

1027
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: the shit out of a woman. That happens a lot

1028
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: in the real world. And like, but but then in

1029
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: doing that, you are like sidelining huge groups of people

1030
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: who deserve to be seen in action movies as well.

1031
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: It just shouldn't be separated from fighting. Keanu reeves like,

1032
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: everyone should get a chance to fight this man, and

1033
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: I generally, I mean in this way it again, you

1034
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: really do have miss Perkins. Yeah, but I like that

1035
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: she gets a really solid fucking fight scene where you

1036
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: see what she can do. And I don't know if,

1037
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: like in my brain, I was like, well, you know

1038
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: when you see it, and that felt like a fight

1039
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: that felt like it was treated like a fight between

1040
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: two formidable assassins in a way that wasn't super gendered. Yeah,

1041
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: and that's why I wanted to watch the other two

1042
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: films of the franchise to see if more women were

1043
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: included or you know, like what if any evolution there

1044
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: was there. And it feels a little slow. But by

1045
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: the third movie there like you do have halle Berry

1046
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: in a very extended fight scene where she is fighting

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: alongside John Wick. Because she's an ally, she holds her

1048
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: own she survives. Yeah, she's not killed Ruby Rose, because

1049
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: in the second movie, john Wick fights Ruby Rose's character

1050
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: toward the end. Again, it's like a drawn out scene,

1051
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: like there's it's because a lot of him fighting someone

1052
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: is just him shooting them in the head and then

1053
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: they're dead. So I appreciate that the scenes that are

1054
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: some of the more extended, like choreographed fight scenes where

1055
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: he's fighting the same person for a while, tend to

1056
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: be with the one woman in the movie. It is

1057
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: cool that, like even just based on hearing how subsequent

1058
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: john Wick adaptations have gone in terms of including women,

1059
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: and how it seems like based on the trailer for

1060
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: the fourth movie, that that is going to be even

1061
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: more so in the next installment. It seems like it's

1062
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: a general upward trajectory and this is all happening in

1063
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Like that is pretty fucking cool.

1064
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: It makes me very excited for the action genre because like, honestly,

1065
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, it feels like it's why

1066
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: A Mortal Kombat pissed me off so much, because I

1067
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: was like, you picked so many nonfighting actresses and we

1068
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: actually have like the most on screen like female fighters

1069
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, and we've had a really

1070
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,479
Speaker 1: long time, like again not counting Hong Kong because again

1071
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: so many, but like it's frustrating whenever I see, like,

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all for like an actress getting a role,

1073
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: but whenever I see like an actress that can't fight

1074
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: being selected for something now, and I'm like, do you

1075
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: know how many women are trained to do this? Like

1076
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: it was something that I would see happen a lot,

1077
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: specifically with Zoe Bell in the late nineties and early

1078
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: two thousands, where she was like always the stunt double

1079
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: but never the on screen fighter, like she was Uma

1080
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Thurman's stunt double and kill Bill, and she actually like

1081
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: finally got to be on screen as herself in the

1082
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: Grindhouse double feature and then most recently in Malignant in

1083
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: one of the prison scenes. And I'm also very much

1084
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: for like bringing the women that have only exist as

1085
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: like doubles in the background to the foreground and we're

1086
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: finally seeing like more of that happening now, which is incredible.

1087
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: Actually highly recommend a movie called Fury Start. It's Vietnamese

1088
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: starring an actress named Veronica No It's if taken actually

1089
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: was like good at fighting her her daughter gets taken

1090
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: so she's like on a mission to get her daughter back,

1091
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: and it's just her like crushing dudes and trying to

1092
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: find her daughter on a motorcycle. It's oh, it's so good.

1093
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's amazing. I would love to see good

1094
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: taken with women. Yeah, instead of like a million cuts

1095
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: to get an old man over a fence and to

1096
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: convince me that he can actually fight, it's Veronica know

1097
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: who like can fight and is just demolishing nice. Oh,

1098
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go back to um to Miss

1099
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: Perkins a little more because she's she's not in a

1100
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: ton Oh so I just I wrote down very twenty

1101
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: fourteen hairstyle. Oh yeah, where you're like it's just a

1102
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: little too black hair on a clearly blond woman. But

1103
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: that was twenty fourteen, that was happening. We were there,

1104
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: We did it, but we did it greatly. But I

1105
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: do like that, Yeah, she was put in again. It

1106
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 1: feels kind of weird to be like, wow, this movie

1107
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: could have really sexualized this character at so many points

1108
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't. Yay movie, But I do think it is

1109
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: like relevant where we get a pretty solid fight scene

1110
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: between her and John Wick and then she sort of

1111
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: left in the custody of this guy Harry, which is

1112
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: a classic Keanu Reeves moment where he's caught doing something

1113
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: horrible and he's like, oh, hey, Harry, and like everyone

1114
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: loves John Wicks so much, and he's like, oh, it's

1115
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: oh hey, John Wick. What can I do to help?

1116
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: Got a Mario coin for me? And John Wicks? Like,

1117
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: I sure do. And again, I feel like in a

1118
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: lesser movie, or even a movie that maybe came out

1119
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: ten years before this, the scene between Harry and Miss

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01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: Perkins would have had a different dynamic in terms of

1121
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: like sexualizing her or like making it seem like because

1122
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: the way that again, I think it's like the dynamic

1123
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: between Harry and Miss Perkins is more what you were

1124
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: describing earlier than us about like Old Guard. Yeah, New

1125
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: Guard is very much what's in place where Harry's like,

1126
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're fucking around with the rules of the Continental.

1127
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: I can't be having that, and I want my Mario

1128
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: coin and she's like, well, jokes on you, I just

1129
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: want Mario coins. I think that that's the actual dialogue

1130
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: in the scene that was verbad, the exact dial Yeah,

1131
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: and then what happens is that she escapes because again,

1132
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: she's skilled, she's a formidable opponent, she escapes from her handcuffs,

1133
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: she does murder Harry. I like Harry. I like Harry

1134
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot. It made me sad. I was sad to

1135
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: see him go. I wish that we I wish I

1136
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: knew a little more about I mean, I know that

1137
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: part of John Wicks thing is his mystique, but I'm like, woh,

1138
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: what what did you What did you and Harry get

1139
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: into back in the day. Yeah, just give me it,

1140
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: Just give me a little something, give me a little

1141
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: taste of what you guys did once. I feel like

1142
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: we need a spin off series. But um would watch

1143
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: it's coming. Oh yeah, it isn't Ballerina, right, it's called

1144
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,440
Speaker 1: The Continental, I think. So it's going to be specifically

1145
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: about the Continental, and it's going to be a prequel.

1146
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 1: And I can't hear that title without remembering that SNL

1147
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: series of sketches with Christopher Walkin. Do you know what

1148
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? No? No, he would be the Christopher

1149
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: Walkin played this like ladies man, or he would like

1150
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: try to be a ladies man, but then he would

1151
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: just like end up insulting the person he was trying

1152
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: to seduce, but you never saw You didn't see her

1153
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: ever because the camera was like her point of view,

1154
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: and then he would just like see him like being

1155
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: a buffoon and then like drinks being thrown in his

1156
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: face and stuff. But it was called The Continental and

1157
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: it had this like weird intonation where it was just

1158
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: like the Continental. No. I was like, okay, well link

1159
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: to that too, there's all they're okay. I was like,

1160
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: have I lost it? Um? Ballerina is a movie that's

1161
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: coming out in the John Wick universe. It's filming right now.

1162
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: It takes place between John Wick three and John Wick four,

1163
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: whoa ballerina assassin Rooney the murderers of her family. Oh

1164
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: you john Wick three heads, we'll know what that means.

1165
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: But I guess that the character was played by an

1166
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: actor named Unity Phelan, so an actual ballet dancer. I

1167
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: guess yeah, because John Wick's backstory is that he was

1168
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: a ballerina. Hold on what yeah? Oh right, okay, So

1169
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: something I left out of the John Wick three recapa.

1170
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: See that's how you get me to care about John Wynn.

1171
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: It was black swan, Are you joking? I was? I

1172
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: think misunderstood what was happening, So he seeks refuge in

1173
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: this theater, like this ballet theater where Angelica Houston. Yeah,

1174
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: I should not have left her out, Sorry about it.

1175
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: She's in. She's in Ballerina as well. Yeah, it's so,

1176
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: but they did. The only difference is they recast the

1177
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: ballerina as on a da armis, which I'm like, does

1178
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: let the ballerina be the bo whatever. So he had

1179
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: his training at this theater and she's his kind of

1180
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: like mother figure almost. I don't know enough about his backstory,

1181
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: but I thought that, like she was running a ballet

1182
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: school and an assassin school. Like I just assumed that

1183
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: he learned how to be an assassin at this ballet school.

1184
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking. Yeah, he became

1185
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: a ballet assassin like Vanessa with he a ballerina. Yeah

1186
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: he danced. Oh he was a ballet assassin. This isn't

1187
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: john Wick three. Yeah, I honestly am prepared to skip

1188
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: john Wick two and go straight to three and then

1189
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: it's fine. Three is my favorite of the franchise, honestly, Okay,

1190
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: because I was like, halle Berry has two dogs and

1191
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves is a ballerina like that's something that I

1192
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: would watch no matter the tone, no matter the year,

1193
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: no matter like that's a timeless concept. I'll give you

1194
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: my favorite fun piece of trivia about the third movie.

1195
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 1: All of the scenes with the dogs in Morocco took

1196
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: a goddamn eternity because there were so many feral cats

1197
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: in the area that the dogs were constantly like losing

1198
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: their shit. So filming with the dogs took a really

1199
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,959
Speaker 1: long time because of just like there were people assigned

1200
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: to just shoot away feral cats from the scene because

1201
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: like the dogs just kept getting distracted by like cats

1202
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: swarming them. That does sound like the sort of anecdote

1203
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: that ends with like and then Keanu Reeves adopted all

1204
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: was he is. So this has nothing to really do

1205
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: with Bechtel cast discussion, but I thought that this was

1206
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: like just I was reading about how this movie kind

1207
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: of came to be. This movie was like written by

1208
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: a writer named Derek Colestad who had been at it forever,

1209
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: had not had like written a million screenplays no one

1210
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: had really bitten, and then eventually sold this movie. But

1211
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: apparently he has an aunt who is like a popular

1212
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: historical fiction author named Lorie Wick. And that's why John Wick.

1213
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: It's John Wick. It's a little nod to his more

1214
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: successful aunt. I love that. So that's fun. Wow, a

1215
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: good piece of trivia. Thank you so much. Should we

1216
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: unpack the dead his wife? Oh, the dead wife of

1217
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: it all? The dead wife of it all? I didn't.

1218
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I don't really know how much I

1219
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: have to say about it outside. I'm surprised that they

1220
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: went in so hard on it. I mean, like it

1221
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: is kind of like, even in twenty fourteen, I feel

1222
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: like that's such a known trope that people would like

1223
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: even talk about then, like the term fridging existed by

1224
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: that point. But I don't know. I mean, yeah, I was.

1225
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: I guess in the movie's defense, I don't know if

1226
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: you could classify that as fridging because she dies of

1227
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: an illness and not a brutal like murder. I guess.

1228
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: I guess I think of fridging for I have, like

1229
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: I use a more loose version of it, where it's like,

1230
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: if a woman needs to die for the plot to begin,

1231
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: that's a fridge to me. I mean, I guess it's like,

1232
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: she doesn't die in a violent way, but the movie

1233
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: doesn't start until she's dead. Yeah right, I mean, and yes,

1234
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: there is the classic action movie trope of a woman

1235
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: existing in the world of this story, usually a wife, girlfriend,

1236
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: or daughter. Sometimes she's alive, sometimes she's dead. But the

1237
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: function of that character is to be motivation for the

1238
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: male hero. We've talked about it at a million times, yeah,

1239
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes motivation for the villain. But in this case

1240
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: it's it's John Wick's wife who died of an illness.

1241
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: My wife, my dadda, my wife, my daughter. It's like

1242
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: time what I think is more interesting about this? And

1243
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: again there's still very much this trope at play, but

1244
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: it makes it so that the John Wick character is

1245
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: compared to other action movie heroes, who in most franchises

1246
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: are sis head men who are extremely agro and this

1247
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: whole like, oh, here's the ideal quote unquote version of

1248
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: what a man should be, and this is how to

1249
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: be cool, and you're supposed to suppress your emotions and

1250
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: you're supposed to disrespect women and all this stuff. John

1251
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 1: Wick doesn't. It's cements him as a wife guy, right right, yeah,

1252
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: So he's which is like I don't know, he's just

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Speaker 1: he's more vulnerable than his like, you know, male hero

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: action counterparts. Is he dealing with his emotions in the

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01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: healthiest way. I would say no, because he's murdering a

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: lot of people. But John, Yeah, you're right, but like

1257
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: his grief is and he's like actively trying to grieve,

1258
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: and he he's so attached to the dog because that

1259
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: was a way for him to experience grief and his

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: support animal, right exactly, they killed the support animal. I'm like,

1261
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: they two, that's yeah. So I don't know that there's

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: just like something soft about old John. He's a ballerina

1263
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: wife guy and the fact that he was a ballerina

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: the whole time twist of the century. Like I I

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01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: wonder if Helen knew that side of him, his ballet side.

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: Um also did she know? I mean, I just have

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01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: Maybe these are answered in subsequent installments, but like speaking

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01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: to your point, I do think that like that is

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01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: like a cool subversion on the action hero that this

1270
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 1: movie does, is like that they don't shy away from

1271
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: the grief. And it's like, well, if you're going to

1272
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: kill off the wife for the action to begin, don't

1273
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 1: just forget about her immediately or just you know, invoke

1274
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: her name or her memory when it's like plot convenient

1275
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: basically like it does you do feel her presence in

1276
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: every decision that he makes, and like in his behavior

1277
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: towards other people, Like he's I think almost like like

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01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: as actively grieving as I've ever seen like a character

1279
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: where this trope is at play, Yeah, grieving. Even other

1280
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: characters are like aware of that, right, everyone knows that

1281
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: he lost his wife, and I think that, I mean,

1282
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: that is interesting. And again it's like the element of

1283
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: mystery is so important to this character because the more

1284
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: mysteries about John Wick, the more John Wick movies you get,

1285
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: it's all it's all connected and all that stuff for me.

1286
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: But I was I was just like, oh, I wish

1287
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: that like you got a little like even just to

1288
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: like push the subversion of those decisions a little more,

1289
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 1: just like some sort of indication of like did Helen

1290
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: know that he was an assassin? Did Helen know that

1291
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: he was a ballerina? Was their relationship built on a

1292
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: bed of lies? What is one thing about her that

1293
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: isn't that she was sick and then died, Yeah, and

1294
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: loved John Wick so much? Like there, I feel like

1295
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: you can retain the like mysterious elements of the character

1296
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: and still like, give her some characterization, Yeah, give her something.

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: Knowing more about Helen doesn't make us have to know

1298
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,480
Speaker 1: more about John Wick exactly exactly what was their relationship,

1299
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: like even if it was fucking boring, Like, yeah, us

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: knowing what Helen's job was, or like how they met,

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,839
Speaker 1: or just or something about her, you know, God forbid

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: outside of that relationship would have I mean, I think

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: it just would. It would have helped every I mean,

1304
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: like we always say in these conversations, it would have

1305
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: helped everything because it if you know why he loved

1306
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: her so much, that makes you feel for John wickmore.

1307
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: It makes you understand why he like quit his entire

1308
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: lifestyle for her, right right? Like what was what was

1309
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: so fucking I mean, I believe that this woman who

1310
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: doesn't exist was awesome, but like, what was so awesome

1311
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: about her that you bailed on your whole life to

1312
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: hang out with her? Good questions? But the movie doesn't

1313
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: care enough about her? Do you find out more about

1314
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: her in subsequent installments? No, no, come on tragically, which

1315
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: I wish were. I wonder if we're going to get

1316
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: more on the in four, But I guess I'm just

1317
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait until I have that two hours

1318
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: in fifteen forty nine minutes to spare. That's a lot

1319
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: of time. I also thought it was funny that they

1320
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: like Bridgie A. Moynihand's like a very like a pretty

1321
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: successful actor to put in the part of deadwife dot

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01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: MP four. I was kind of like, what, you think

1323
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: that she's gonna be doing more? You would think, but

1324
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: I see that she's credited in all a Hole. That's

1325
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: so wait, that's actually so funny. Okay, she's credited in

1326
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: john Wick, in john Wick chapter two, In john Wick

1327
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: three and four, she's credited as Helen Wick parentheses photo.

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: So they probably tend to venmo her seven hundred dollars. Oh,

1329
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: because you don't even get flashbacks. Probably it's right, you

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01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: don't even get dot she is now dot jpeg. She's

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01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: been somehow cast into an even smaller role dead wife

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01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: dot jpeg, an even smaller file. Yeah, brutally compressed justice

1333
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: for come on, that sucks truly. Yeah. Something I want

1334
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: to touch on is gun violence. Yes, in American action movies.

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Speaker 1: This is something that I don't think we've talked a

1336
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: lot about on the show, but gun violence in American

1337
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: action movies is very pervasive, and it's rare to have

1338
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: an action movie from the US that does not have

1339
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: a lot of gun violence in it. We are not

1340
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: experts on this topic of like, oh, is it that

1341
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: guns are so readily available in the US and that's

1342
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: why they're so prevalent in our media and in action

1343
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: movies in particular, just because it's like tragically a part

1344
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: of American culture. Is it that the pervasiveness of gun

1345
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: violence in American media? Does that contribute to actual gun

1346
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: violence in our culture because people are famously influenced by

1347
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: the media they consume. Is it both? Like what's the

1348
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: causation slash correlation happening here? Again, we're not experts. It's

1349
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: a much larger conversation that we can't really cover in

1350
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: the span of a single little episode. But I just

1351
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on it because again, we haven't

1352
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: talked about it really before. And I noticed that as

1353
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: a long time consumer of American action movies, excessive gun

1354
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: violence in these movies has just been so normalized that

1355
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: I have gotten to the point where I don't even

1356
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: notice this alarming trend of how pervasive it is. I'm

1357
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that's how action movies are well, I

1358
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: guess finish. That's a question that I have for you

1359
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: because you do watch so many international action movies, like

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: is this a uniquely American thing? How do you feel

1361
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: about how violence is sort of portrayed across the genre.

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01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's uniquely American because it is something

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01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: that I see across like the international borders of action.

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: I'd say, at least for John Wicks specifically, a lot

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01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 1: of its influence is specifically taken from John Wu because

1366
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: the gun violence in John Wicks specifically isn't like typically

1367
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: American action movies when it handles gun violence, it's just

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01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: very much like a very like bullet spray, a hold gun,

1369
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: infinite bullet kind of thing. The John Wick taking from

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01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: John wu influence of gun violence is it treats it

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01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: almost like an extension of the arm if you if

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01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: you notice in John movies versus other American action movies,

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01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: it's treated almost like it's an extension of like a

1374
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: punch in it of itself to where it's it's part

1375
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: of the choreography, and usually American like gun violence doesn't

1376
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: include guns as part of the choreography unless it was,

1377
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: like John Wu with his very like hyperstylized version of it.

1378
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: But it is something that I see that isn't so

1379
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: much just like if you watch like The Raid or

1380
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: The Raid too, it's very much pervasive through it, even

1381
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: though there's like a lot of like hand to hand

1382
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: combat in it. So I wouldn't say it's intrinsic to Americans,

1383
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: but I will say, especially in the eighties and nineties,

1384
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: we did it more okay, because that is I mean,

1385
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: like I again, I because that's like it's not my

1386
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: genre and I just come to expect it. But there

1387
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: were I mean some I think maybe it is like

1388
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: a uniquely American conversation because there is such an issue

1389
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: with gun violence in America where I feel like there

1390
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: is like this genre is especially right now and in

1391
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: the last ten years, going to affect people a little differently.

1392
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: I know that there's a huge, huge, huge debate on yeah,

1393
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,839
Speaker 1: the causation and all this stuff, and that I've certainly

1394
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: read a lot saying like, you know, that is like

1395
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: to say that the presence of guns in media will

1396
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: turn you into like a murderous like you know, like

1397
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a way overblown, far more nuanced

1398
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: conversation than I've generally seen had about it. But I

1399
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's interesting like bringing your own

1400
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: and hearing other people bringing their own sort of experiences

1401
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: of gun violence to the table, and like how you're

1402
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: able to consume these movies, like because if there's like

1403
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: no wrong way to kind of come at it, but

1404
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: there are, I mean, and I think for me is

1405
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: particularly in the like club scene where people are just

1406
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 1: you know, they're killing each other and it's all very targeted,

1407
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: like they're not taking out random people like you do

1408
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: see sometimes in action movies. But I think that was

1409
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: as close to for this scene, just because of my

1410
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: own personal experience of I don't know, like active shooter

1411
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: threats in a crowded space. Like you're like, oh, that

1412
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: can be a really like sudden and kind of triggering

1413
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: thing to see. But yeah, you're right, for sure, it's

1414
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: a little more willful. Yeah, Like it's a little more thoughtful.

1415
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: It makes it makes an assassination feel more calculated, and

1416
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't have that like that sense of just like

1417
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: bullet spray catching strays that you might see in like

1418
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: a crank movie, right right, Yeah, I never know, I

1419
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: don't know it's like never like my favorite thing to see.

1420
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: But that's also just because it's like it's just that's

1421
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: just a personal preference. I don't know, right, I don't

1422
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: think it's ruining the world necessarily, Yeah, right, because for me,

1423
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Like again, I love action movies and I love to

1424
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: see a good gun fight in an action movie. But

1425
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: in the real world, like I think guns should be

1426
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: banned outright. I think we should throw every gun into

1427
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: a volcano, like no one should have access to a gun.

1428
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: But in movies, I'm like, more fun, fun, I'm having

1429
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 1: a fun time. So it's a paradox, but I just

1430
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: wanted to bring it up. I want guns to be

1431
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: like dragons. They only exist typical movie fantasy. Yeah, yes, exactly.

1432
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: I want Andy Serkis to play a gun. I think

1433
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: he gets really method about it. He'd be good at it.

1434
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: I think he'd have a really fun press junket for

1435
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: that one. But I want him to do the gallum

1436
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: voice while he's doing it. Oh, the gun has a

1437
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: whole lore that you don't see. It's like Babu Frick,

1438
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: Like there's like the actor doing Babu Frick had a hole.

1439
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, there was a love thing that didn't

1440
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: work out for Babu Frick, and you can see that

1441
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: in the puppet work. And I'm like, all right, sure,

1442
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: thanks Shirley. Hey, bab like bless her heart. I'm the

1443
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: only person in the world who remembers the character of

1444
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Babu Frick from Star Wars five hundred. But I'm right

1445
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: there with you. I love Babu Frick with all my heart. Hey,

1446
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: hey to all my Babu Fri kids out there. I

1447
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: also want to just mention the tendency in American action

1448
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: movies to make the villains be people from a nationality

1449
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: that is not American, Yeah, which this franchise definitely does.

1450
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: And again I just speaking to the first one making

1451
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 1: the making the Villain's Rush and felt like action movie

1452
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: one oh one writing where you're just like, this movie

1453
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: could have come out any time in the last fifty years.

1454
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, in a way that like is definitely

1455
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: tropy writing oh deeply. So yeah, does anyone have anything

1456
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: else to talk about? No? I think I I think

1457
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: I completely emptied the cartridge. Wow, Oh I like that

1458
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: you see John Wick change the cartridge too or like

1459
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: run out of bullets sometimes, Yeah, it's not infinite forever bullets.

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Speaker 1: He's no, Like I like that this movie, Like, I

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01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess that like of the action movies

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01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: that I've seen, this is like john Wick is not

1463
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: my favorite, but I feel like it has a really

1464
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: really cool balance of fantastical world elements versus occasional, like

1465
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: striking real world elements, like he runs out of bullets.

1466
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Someone doesn't end the scene on a quip and they

1467
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: just say, oh, like just like kind of grounding moments

1468
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: that you aren't sort of trained to expect in such

1469
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,759
Speaker 1: a stylized action movie. Like I really really love those choices.

1470
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: They're they're so fundam not having kibble at your house

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01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: because you got a dog yesterday. I'm also like, Helen,

1472
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 1: you didn't send a bag of kibble? Yea, Like think

1473
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: it through, babe. You're giving him errands. Yeah, you want

1474
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: to give a grieving man arrand think about it. And

1475
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: that's how this whole thing started. If he had not

1476
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: gone out to go get kibble, he would have never

1477
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: met up with You, would have never met Joseph, and

1478
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: then his dog was still It's look, we can't Helen,

1479
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Helen tell it to the photo and John went before.

1480
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: I can't believe she's parentheses photo. That's so dirty that

1481
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: I guess she's over it because she's been downgraded to

1482
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a photo. I do want to shout out non binary

1483
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: actor Asia Kate Dylan, who plays the adjudicator in John

1484
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Wick three. Nice. The character is never identified as non binary,

1485
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: but the actor is. And I think it's just cool

1486
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: for an action, a huge action franchise to cast a

1487
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: non binary actor in that role and then just like

1488
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: have that character just be their existence being normalized within

1489
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: the world of the story. Yeah, yeah, which is something

1490
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 1: that very like hetero rigid gender binary action movies generally

1491
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: don't do. No, they're too scared of it. Yeah, so

1492
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, But yeah, I think that's all. My

1493
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: cartridge is now also empty. My cartridge is empty as well.

1494
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I guess the last thing I have to say is

1495
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: that I, you know, even though we're technically covering the

1496
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: first movie in this episode, even in the space of

1497
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: this conversation, I've been very heartened and feel good that

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01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: it seems like as this franchise becomes more and more successful,

1499
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: it also becomes more and more inclusive, which is amazing.

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01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: And I hope that that like remains sort of a

1501
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: precedent in this especially in this like kind of typically

1502
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: agro sis male genre in general. Like, it's really fucking

1503
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: cool and it continues to set the bar it does,

1504
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: which is amazing. And so look, I'm going to see

1505
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: John Wick four. It's also na writting a song for it,

1506
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: do we know? I hope So I hope we get

1507
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: like a Specter style song just for it, and then

1508
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: she could win an Oscar I just the arena Sawayama

1509
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: to Oscar pipeline. It just feels right to eat out.

1510
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I want to see her live so bad. It's also

1511
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,480
Speaker 1: this franchise, I would say, is also pretty inclusive from

1512
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: a racial diversity point of view, where totally where it

1513
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: doesn't cent her whiteness the way that a lot of

1514
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: action movies and action franchises do, which is insane to

1515
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,520
Speaker 1: me because they pull from so many, like specifically Asian genres,

1516
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: but are scared of casting Asian people. Right. Yeah, have

1517
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: we have? We arrived at the Bechtel test portions of

1518
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: No way, this damn movie passes. I'm sorry, I know

1519
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It does not pass, but future installments pass

1520
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: maybe too, Maybe I think three does it does? Okay?

1521
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: I think three passes. I would have to rewatch and

1522
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: pay more attention. I was not paying attention. I want

1523
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: to believe. I want to believe. Um, but one certainly

1524
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: not um. I. You're hard pressed to get two women

1525
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: in a room that aren't set dressing correct or or

1526
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: terrified victims number three and four or exactly is being

1527
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: forced to lead a vault when Keanu Ree's got that boy, Yeah,

1528
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I forgot about them. So yeah, there's a lot of

1529
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: I mean, featured extras being like. But here's the thing

1530
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: is that our nipple scale will really say something about

1531
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: the movie, which is our scale of zero to five

1532
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: nipples based on looking at the movie through an intersectional

1533
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: feminist lens. I'm going to give this two and a

1534
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: half nipples a split down the middle because even though

1535
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: it subverts a lot of very reductive, harmful tropes when

1536
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: it comes to women in action movies, it's just a

1537
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: very male franchise. Still, there's no reason why more of

1538
01:32:51,439 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: John Wicks allies and adversaries couldn't be womens non binary characters.

1539
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Since the franchise now has set a precedent for including

1540
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: non binary actors, although again with the subsequent sequels it

1541
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: is getting more inclusive when it comes to gender. But

1542
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: this first movie especially is just one dead wife and

1543
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: then one lady assassin and four seconds of a bartender

1544
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: right right, and a pretty good you know, I like

1545
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: not to undercut miss Perkins. I think that she's like

1546
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: a well written character and that you get the same

1547
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: amount of background for her as you would get for

1548
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: any other assassin in the movie. And I agree with you,

1549
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: like what Vanessa is saying earlier, of like she is

1550
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: formidable enough to like warrant a ceremonial takeout, like it

1551
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: takes whatever a circle full of respected assassins to take

1552
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 1: her out. She is certainly one of them, but yeah,

1553
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: she's just kind of the only the only one of them, right.

1554
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: And then again, like when you compare John Wick and

1555
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: his like vulnerability and his emotional forthcomingness that is present

1556
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: in his character far more than your typical hyper masculine,

1557
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:19,879
Speaker 1: hyper agro male action movie hero, it's just an easier

1558
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: franchise for me to get behind. Yeah, because of these

1559
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: various subversions. So I'll give it two and a half,

1560
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: maybe even a three. I'm biased because again, I love

1561
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 1: the genre and I like movies enfranchises that do subvert

1562
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,839
Speaker 1: a lot of the harmful things that make this genre

1563
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: not so easy to enjoy these days. But John Wick rules.

1564
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 1: I love Keanu Reeves. I love all of the dogs

1565
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: the dogs, so that's who I will award my three

1566
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: nipples to the dogs and Keanu Reeves. I think I'm

1567
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 1: also three nipple. I think the franchise overall is a

1568
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: four nipple for me. The first movie is three nipples

1569
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 1: and miss Perkins is doing most of the heavy lifting

1570
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: taking it to the third nipple. I think it would

1571
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: have been two two and a half if not for

1572
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 1: miss Perkins, so she brings it to a three for me. Cool.

1573
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be a total kill

1574
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: joy and go a two on this one, only because

1575
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: I really like the I think Dead Wife dot MP

1576
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: four really really got me, and it happens at the

1577
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: beginning and end, and I was just like, ah, even

1578
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, this is not awesome. I do. I

1579
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: do like miss Perkins. Um, I totally agree with what

1580
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 1: both of you are saying. And also I'm a little

1581
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,799
Speaker 1: bit biased against this Sean ref for whatever reason, because

1582
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: it scares me and it's loud and it's hard for

1583
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: me to pay attention. So yeah, but I love I

1584
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: love Beagles, and I do love them. I think mainly

1585
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: my two nipples are going for the strength of Miss

1586
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: Perkins character and how she is like such a you know,

1587
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: she's just an equal, which is not asking for much

1588
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: and this movie does do that. And the subversions of

1589
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: the john Wick character of like he's not yeah, he's

1590
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: not the my wife died, but I'm ready to find

1591
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: love today like kind of you know, brain breaking action

1592
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: hero we're used to. So uh yeah, I'm gonna go too,

1593
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: and I'm giving them both the daisy God, damn it,

1594
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: you're back. Her ghost should visit him in john Wick four. Oh,

1595
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: I agree. She should have like a really beautiful, like

1596
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,919
Speaker 1: Smoker's voice. I imagined her. I have a very buttery,

1597
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 1: raspy voice. Oh. I'm trying to think of who would

1598
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: voice her. Miley Cyrus. Oh, I was gonna say, Andy serkis,

1599
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:49,839
Speaker 1: oh my andys Miley Cyrus, Andy serkis you know same Cadence.

1600
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's

1601
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: our that's our john Wick episode. There it is. Vanessa,

1602
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming back. Thank you for

1603
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: having me. I had a wonderful time. The five timer

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01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: jacket is in the mail. Heil yes, and come back

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01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: for a sixth time whenever you want. I am more

1606
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: than happy to Where can people check out your stuff?

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Speaker 1: I host a show called Popcorn and Pixels in which

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1629
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: did not mean to interrupt. No, it's fine. Mine would

1630
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Speaker 1: have sucked anyway. I was gonna say, hey, Vanessa, Hey, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: be seeing you, be seeing you, John, be seeing you.

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