00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your presences presents enough. I'm already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey. 00:00:38 Speaker 2: Mean welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We're in the backyard, which is always so exciting for me. I'm not on zoom. My guest is not on zoom. We're in person, and we're feeling great. There are no nature sounds. I almost wish there were, you know, I wish the birds were doing a little bit more today. You like to hear some what is it squawking? I would love to have some squawking right now. But we've gotten nothing. But let's get into it. I'm very excited about our guests. I'm just always through the roof in person because it's just a rare treat at this point, and our. 00:01:29 Speaker 3: Guest is a rare treat. It's Jenny Yang. 00:01:31 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I love that introduction. Welcome Bay, No good, thank you so much for having me. I love that I get to meet you. You know, we both work in comedy, and I'm very surprised we hadn't met before. 00:01:43 Speaker 2: We should have cross paths much earlier, and we live very close to each other. Maybe we've cross paths at the grocery store for. 00:01:49 Speaker 4: All while the expensive specialty grocery store. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: That is, you will never find me at the expensive specialty grocery store, Jenny, I will be. 00:02:00 Speaker 3: You'll find me at the clearance racket Target. 00:02:02 Speaker 4: Really, you're like, I want some Target Deli slices? Can you get some Deli meats? Some raw chicken from Target? 00:02:13 Speaker 2: You'll find me at the nice grocery store, longing for the goods, looking at but then being like, I can't do it. 00:02:19 Speaker 4: But I think it depends on what you like to spend your money on. I like to spend my money on. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: Food, and I don't like to spend my money on anything. So that's although I do go I like to go out to dinner. Yes, so I guess that I mean, maybe that's my thing. So when you say food you like to spend money on, like nice groceries to make yourself food or all of it? 00:02:40 Speaker 3: All of it, all of it you want? 00:02:42 Speaker 4: You want to show me twenty different types of olive oils. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: Let's go how fucking oils are in your cabinet? 00:02:48 Speaker 2: Right? 00:02:48 Speaker 4: Vinegars? Honestly, there's only three. 00:02:51 Speaker 3: That's three more than I've got. 00:02:55 Speaker 4: We're learning about your lifestyle. Wa Wait a minute, I thought this was a lifestyle podcast. I thought we were going to talk about my skincarero Wait a. 00:03:02 Speaker 3: Minute, it's happened before. Don't get me on the skincare. 00:03:06 Speaker 2: We'll be talking about a vino for the next three hours. 00:03:11 Speaker 3: Okay. So you have three olive oils. Do you use them for specific purposes? 00:03:15 Speaker 4: There's some that is like better for dressing, okay, and then some that's just for basic cooking. But I've been cooking more with sort of neutral oils. I do own a flaxseed oil, coconut oil, peanut oil. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know peanut oil. What do you? 00:03:29 Speaker 5: I know? 00:03:30 Speaker 2: Some places will cook like a French fry in a peanut oil. Yeah, what else would they be cooking it in. 00:03:37 Speaker 3: It's like good high heat frying. 00:03:40 Speaker 4: I recently ran out of peanut butter, my natural organic peanut butter, so I made my own almond butter with the toasted salted almonds I got from Costco. Ground that in my little vitam mixed mixer, threw in a little peanut oil for a little moisture. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: That sounds phenomenal. 00:03:58 Speaker 4: Anyway, guys, listen, this is not a lifestyle podcast. I don't know why I'm getting into the details. 00:04:03 Speaker 2: This is an almond homemade almond butter podcast. As far as I'm concerned, because that I haven't had dinner yet. It is only five thirty, but I'm starving. What time do you eat dinner? 00:04:17 Speaker 4: It depends on how I'm feeling, really, so like on the earlier side, it depends on what I'm doing. I don't mind eating at any hour. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Of the day, right, But truly, when you say earlier, you're imagine you're speaking to an eighty five year old man, because I feel like my dinner habits are around, you know, a real life person. 00:04:38 Speaker 3: Five thirty. 00:04:39 Speaker 2: Well, okay, five thirty is not that often for me. But I'm happy to start eating dinner at five thirty. Yes, six o'clock. If I'm not eating dinner at six fifteen, something has gone drastically wrong. 00:04:49 Speaker 3: Oh and I'm mad. 00:04:52 Speaker 2: I'm hungry and I'm having a hard time deciding what to eat. 00:04:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I do feel like I can only really get along with people who need to kind of get a move on to eat if they're hungry. Otherwise it's tough. It's tough building that relationship. 00:05:06 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, I you know, there are people who start they have dinner at eight thirty, nine o'clock, and I just don't even know where we're coming from with that lifestyle. What you're waiting till nine o'clock to order dinner. 00:05:18 Speaker 4: It's so European. I mean, honestly, you know, this is the Spanish at nine thirty. At nine thirty, they're just having a little aperitif and then they're going to roll into like a dinner. 00:05:28 Speaker 5: You know what. 00:05:28 Speaker 3: I mean, what time are they going to bed? You know, midnight one o'clock. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: But these people are having a big, luxurious lunch. Yeah, let's be honest. 00:05:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just honestly, I do aspire to a European lifestyle in America if we can, right, but we don't. 00:05:44 Speaker 3: Have the health care for it, we certainly don't. We don't. 00:05:46 Speaker 2: And so to have a nice one of these romantic nine moonlit dinners, I'm basically eating dinner under the noon sun. And I would love to change that but I think I'm a little it's kind of burned into my personality at this point. 00:06:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, harsh shadows are not romantic. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: Not at all. But look, a good meal is. And so I guess that compensates. What was the last like, what are you cooking at home? 00:06:15 Speaker 3: When am I cooking? 00:06:17 Speaker 4: I'm trying to cook vegetarian and vegan because my fiance it's very recent congratulating Beyonce's I bet. 00:06:26 Speaker 3: That's a hard thing to say. 00:06:27 Speaker 4: Initially, I don't like fiance Beyonce. He is vegetarian, very long time vegetarian, and I. 00:06:33 Speaker 3: Do like meat. 00:06:34 Speaker 4: Right, We're like opposites. I like meat and vegetables. He's a vegetarian who doesn't eat vegetables. Oh no, he's like an unhealthy vegetarian. Where it's like you could be living such a vibrant, healthy lifestyle with all these vegetables you can eat, and instead you're eating like corn chips. Everything has to have ranch or cheese on it. Right, it's very American compensating for the lack of meat. 00:06:55 Speaker 3: That's right. 00:06:56 Speaker 4: So, but what did I make recently? I like to take left dover sauces from Asian foods. I order to go sure, and then like mix those sauces with the rice that I made. 00:07:07 Speaker 3: Oh delicious. 00:07:08 Speaker 4: Do you understand that that is the short cut to good living? 00:07:12 Speaker 2: You are you are talking to the right person. The amount of weird sauces that I just have from like takeout, I save every little sauce, and I look for opportunities. 00:07:22 Speaker 3: Thank you. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: It's why wouldn't you? They're the perfect portion. You're not buying a giant jar of it. Are you cooking for a family of ten? 00:07:29 Speaker 3: No? No, no, never. I mean I don't know. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: I want to know what path I go down to have a family of ten at this point. But no, I save every sauce. It really bothers my boyfriend. But I have at least two shelves of my fridge that are just random little plastic things. They are not official sauces. They are from the takeout. Also, yeah, you know, my boyfriend will go to Chipotle, I'll say, please bring me home a pico de gayo. I'm gonna make guacamole with it later. Then I don't have to chop up tomatoes and onions. I'm giving people the advice they need to hear that will save time, money, and stress. 00:08:06 Speaker 4: And then I give myself little assignments, like speaking of sauces, like oh, during the pandemic, it's a pandemic thing. 00:08:13 Speaker 3: Maybe. 00:08:14 Speaker 4: I looked at my stack of condiments from takeout, and I was like, what would it take for me to cook this down? It's like I see freet rocher, I see black vinegar, I see soy sauce, I see ketchup deli mustard. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: What can we do? You know what I mean? 00:08:34 Speaker 4: It's chopped Welcome to your Chopped Life, Chopped Condiments Edition, And I loved it. I loved it. I was like inspired. I felt it's like a creative process. I liked it. 00:08:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've just got to get creative. I mean, they're just ingredients. They're just they happen to be in strange little packages. 00:08:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you talk to me long enough, any cooking solution is going to involve just throw it in some fried rice. 00:08:57 Speaker 2: Of course, hard rice is truly the quick say the foods were. It's just like I will put anything in this and it'll be delicious. I worked at a restaurant for a couple of years and the cooks would make me fried rice and it got out of control. 00:09:12 Speaker 3: The things I was. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: I mean, I was essentially eating four meals buried in fried rice. 00:09:19 Speaker 4: What kind of what cuisine of restaurant was. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: This Thai restaurant? 00:09:22 Speaker 6: Oh? 00:09:22 Speaker 2: Okay, simply tie Sandy Utah free advertising, wonderful restaurant in fantastic Thai restaurant. I was a waiter. I do not have cooking skills. Obviously it was not back there cooking, but the wonderful cooks when I was hungry, I'm putting cashews, I'm putting pineapple, I'm putting every ingredient into the fried rice. 00:09:48 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what was the most common question you would get in Utah at a Thai restaurant. 00:09:54 Speaker 2: There wasn't one. Oh, there wasn't a most Really, what would you assume? 00:09:59 Speaker 4: I mean, I let me question my own assumptions about the casual possible bigotry of Utah. 00:10:07 Speaker 3: Patron and their questions. Let me let me back that up. 00:10:12 Speaker 4: I apologize to the imaginary bigot I had in my head of. 00:10:16 Speaker 3: The Utah patron. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: I will say, uh uh no, there was there was nothing. I mean, there was one customer who I absolutely despise, A regular, A regular customer, car salesman, the worst person I've ever met, and he would order we would uh we had like a fresh spring roll, you know in uh not like a fried spring roll, rice paper right right, delicious fresh vegetables, that kind of thing. Yeah, he would request them, no vegetables, just pure meat inside. And he was essentially asking us to make him sausage. 00:10:57 Speaker 6: Ah. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: I despise to this person. 00:11:01 Speaker 2: So that's the one person that probably the person you were picturing when you ask that question. That guy was definitely him, because he would get that and peanut sausages. 00:11:10 Speaker 3: Just like, why are you what? 00:11:11 Speaker 2: Just go get some sausage links and peanut butter and et those at the car dealership. Because this is what you're requesting is not thy food. It's the It's truly like kids made dinner, you know. It's like mom and dad are gone. We're putting meat in a role and putting in peanut butter. 00:11:30 Speaker 3: Hate him. I'm glad he's not part of my life anymore. Oh my god. 00:11:33 Speaker 4: That is an incredible request, the audacity. Truly, that was the person I was imagining when I asked you that question. Just aborish car salesman. 00:11:41 Speaker 3: Yes, despised him. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: There was another car salesman who was very nice, but was very creepy and would take one of our cooks to wend Over, Nevada to like gamble. And those two had a weird relationship. But I loved her and he was just like a weird old man. 00:11:59 Speaker 3: Was it sexual. I don't think it was. I think they just she was weird. He was a young Thaie woman. She was a young Laotian woman. 00:12:06 Speaker 4: Laotian woman. He was an older white man seventy five. But like I think past being interested in sex. I mean truly, no shame in your game, you know, young Laotian woman, right to go for it. It's like she didn't need sugar Daddy dot com. 00:12:23 Speaker 2: Right, she just wanted to ride to Wendover. Yeah, and I she she's the person who would make my fried rice the most often fantastic. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: All we love. 00:12:34 Speaker 4: We love some gambling in the Pacific Rim. 00:12:36 Speaker 3: Is that true? 00:12:37 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:12:37 Speaker 3: Oh my god, everything's a game. Make it a game. We love it. Do you like to gamble? No, not at all. I'm very low risk me too. Yeah. 00:12:44 Speaker 4: Like when you're like, I need things to happen at a certain time, I don't spend my money. That's me, except I spend it on like matching bright like sweatsuits and. 00:12:55 Speaker 3: Like what you're in currently. 00:12:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you like to you like to put your money where you know you're going to have a result exactly otherwise I just I don't, you know. I just had this conversation about like financial literacy and like how you budget and stuff, and I was just like, I am probably the most like conservative with my money compared to other people. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, you know ethereum right, I was gonna say quibbi, but it was I was thinking. 00:13:20 Speaker 4: I was thinking, well, you could probably adopt quibi now as a new cryptocurrency. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: I bet you could just use that word for a new The company's dead. We all know the word brand recognition. It counts for something. 00:13:36 Speaker 4: Quibi did sound like a cryptocurrency. But anyway, like you know, like everyone's like good good, you know, it's like that energy, and it's like part of me is like, yeah, maybe I want to. 00:13:47 Speaker 3: Make more money, but it's scared without doing anything. Like it's like if I pull a lever, just like a little lever, well I will make money. That's weird to me. 00:13:56 Speaker 4: I'm very it's very not concrete, right, I need money spake already, you know what I mean. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: Right, it's already enough of an illusion to add another illusion element to it. It's too much for my brain to comprehend, and I start to panic. 00:14:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, someday I'm going to get into crypto. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: I'm sure we all will. We're all going to be trapped in that nightmare. It's coming for us. 00:14:17 Speaker 4: Well, it seems like everyone's going to live in the cloud at some point. I feel like we're all just moving everything into the cloud, whatever that is. It's like the matrix I do like to refer to, you know, early two thousand and late nineties films if you care. But I you know, it's like we're all going to just physically be in a pod, yes, but our spirit and consciousness will be living. 00:14:39 Speaker 3: In a cloud. 00:14:40 Speaker 2: I mean I feel like that must be a remotely realistic possibility. I mean I've seen the episode of Black Mirror. 00:14:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying this is where we're going anyway. 00:14:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, skin caak caa is where we Yeah, well, you know, being in the cloud, you don't have to worry about your skin carroteina anymore. 00:15:00 Speaker 4: No, you just click on your avatar, switch your profile photo. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, what. 00:15:04 Speaker 2: Will it be? I don't want to know that. My fear is being immortal in a computer. But you know what I did, though, I feel like I did live that life. A lot of people did, people who are like really into gaming during the beginning of the pandemic when we had nothing to do and I was like super depressed. I never played video games really, but I got into Animal crossing. 00:15:24 Speaker 4: That's right, you did the I did a stand up comedy show inside the video game. I'm not even plugging that because we're not even doing that anymore. This is don't think of me like a plugger. Okay, I'm not the car salesman who demands a meaty spring roll. Okay, I just I'm sorry I said the terms. 00:15:42 Speaker 3: He's never apologized for it, So look, don't I don't. Maybe I shouldn't either. Yeah I don't think you should. 00:15:50 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm not just trying to put in a plug here for a show I don't no longer produce. But I used to do a show inside of Zoom. The biggest fun is like unmuted Zoom meeting. 00:16:00 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so wonderful. 00:16:02 Speaker 4: Just imagine like Margaret cho with me puppeteering her in this little avatar character that we dressed up in her likeness in this like, you know, like a basement comedy club that I created piece by piece in this. 00:16:16 Speaker 3: Virtual island, and. 00:16:19 Speaker 4: Margaret in the corner and the little you know, picture and picture talking with her face and then meat puppeteering her actions. 00:16:25 Speaker 2: That is, I think it was a delightful, most practical use of animal crossing that there ever will be. You know, like most people are just like picking out the wallpaper or whatever and chopping wood. 00:16:36 Speaker 3: Do you chop wood in the game, of course? But bridge. 00:16:38 Speaker 4: You see, even in a pandemic, when I'm wallowing in my depression, I cannot let myself not be productive. 00:16:45 Speaker 3: I think that's fine. 00:16:47 Speaker 4: I must have a goal in my I'm you're supposed to just live in that world like acute sims. 00:16:52 Speaker 3: But no me, even though I'm sad, I had nothing else to do. 00:16:55 Speaker 4: I had to be like, what kind of projects are really going to be doing here? How do I continue my career? It's a sickness. All I'm saying is it's a sickness, and I don't welcome that for anyone. I don't wish it upon people, you know. I'm recovering over achiever. It's fine, but think of all the joy you brought I did, and I am very proud of that. No, I am very proud of that. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: It brought joy to me. I mean honestly, like it was. 00:17:17 Speaker 4: It was a social It was like a socializing opportunity and like it like made my mental health better. 00:17:24 Speaker 3: Right, And I imagine, what's the raccoon's name? Is it tom Nook? Yes, I'm like, why do you know that? 00:17:29 Speaker 2: I wanted to like Animal Crossing so badly. I loved there was a game called Harvest Moon that I used to love. It was a farming game, yes, and I imagined that, and I loved the sims. Yes, I imagined the Animal Crossing would kind of scratch the same itch, but for whatever reason, didn't click for me. 00:17:45 Speaker 3: But I loved I loved. Of course, I love that. 00:17:47 Speaker 2: There's a game with a raccoon named tom Nook that gets after you or whatever. Yes, it feels so up my alley. Maybe that's the problem. 00:17:54 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's too on the nose for you, right, And now it's kind of passed me by. 00:17:59 Speaker 4: No, it's fine, and I feel like we're back out in the world. At least you know to the degree that you feel comfortable, you know, I do. I'm doing shows again. I'm like, you know, doing stand up shows again. And you just want to make sure people have little wipes, little alcohol wipes. 00:18:13 Speaker 3: You've got to have the wipe or or little you know, microphone covers are that are swappable? 00:18:18 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know, Jenny. Look, we've got to talk about something else. 00:18:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, what as your old I feel like this is too much of a pause that like, I feel like I need to like brace myself. 00:18:29 Speaker 2: Brace yourself, Jenny. I have something I'd like to talk to you about. I invited you to my house. Yeah, so excited to have Jenny to the backyard. 00:18:41 Speaker 3: Yeah it's gorgeous, and you show up. You're wearing this phenomenal sweatsuit. I was so excited. 00:18:49 Speaker 2: Essentially, I was distracted by the suit, and then my eyes narrowed in on something. You were carrying a little package. Look, this podcast is called I No Gifts. 00:19:01 Speaker 6: You know that. 00:19:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:19:03 Speaker 2: I obviously know that our producer on at least knows that. And I feel like there's been some miscommunication because you agreed to be on the show and then you show up holding what for all intents and purposes, appears to be a gift. 00:19:18 Speaker 4: It's a gift. Okay, I'm sorry, it's a gift. I wanted you to like me, but then I forget that for you to like me, I have to not give you gift. But it got very confusing. 00:19:31 Speaker 2: Well, look, friendships are complicated, socializing is difficult, and we're all bound to make a mistake sooner or later. One amazing thing about me, yeah, is my deep well of ability to forgive. I've learned to forgive time and time again. 00:19:55 Speaker 3: Oh I love that. 00:19:56 Speaker 2: I kind of just try to look at each person as deeply imperfect and say, look, we're gonna work with this. 00:20:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want me to open this gift here? I would like that. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: I mean, if you can forgive me, which I really appreciate. 00:20:09 Speaker 3: You already did it way ahead of you. Oh, thank you. Okay, So yeah, I would love it. 00:20:18 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna It's a very tidy little brown paper, beautifully wrapped with kind Is this like a twine. 00:20:26 Speaker 3: It's a type of twine. 00:20:27 Speaker 2: I love a twine, and I've never seen a twine in this. It's a is aqua marine? 00:20:32 Speaker 3: Would you say? Yeah, I'm going to just take a family sure of the gift, because it's so some guests really fall apart. 00:20:40 Speaker 2: You know. People will come on this thing and bring an item that's i'll just say it poorly wrapped. 00:20:45 Speaker 3: This is not poorly wrapped. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna unwrap it here, I'm gonna it requires a little doing. 00:20:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I should have brought a scissors. Okay, anything here? Oh, listen to that rap for the ASMR. 00:21:04 Speaker 1: Why what is this? 00:21:06 Speaker 2: I'm dazzled immediately this Okay, you're you're just going okay. The box this is in is phenomenal. It's it's called Affirmators, and it's fifty affirmation cards to help you help yourself without the self helpiest. And then there's a small rabbit in a beautiful shirt riding a unicorn over a rainbow. 00:21:27 Speaker 3: This is dazzling. Thank you. Wait, okay, I aim to dazzle. Tell me more. 00:21:35 Speaker 4: You know, I'm really into self help stuff, even though I also like to make fun of it, right, and so, you know, sometimes I'll pick up a little little thing here and there. Sometimes I'll be given a thing here and there. Sometimes I'll be gift, you know, influencer gifted a thing here and there right right. I'll be honest, I did not pick that. 00:21:54 Speaker 3: Up for you. I appreciate this honestly. It was in the gifts dash. You have a gift stash? 00:21:59 Speaker 5: I do. 00:22:00 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know. 00:22:01 Speaker 4: I have a little gift stash of things that are so cute that I don't want to use it, but I want. 00:22:05 Speaker 3: I know there's other people who would love it. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: That's so smart. So you just like on occasion we'll see something at the store or whatever. Yeah, they're like that could be a future gift. Yeah, like a little thing, that's something I could probably pick up on. 00:22:20 Speaker 4: I have like ten things. It's not even huge, right, you know. And so don't be a don't be a hoarder. 00:22:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm I'm kind of This podcast is kind of forcing me into hoarder. Is that's sure, you're getting a lot of gifts. It has become a problem. We're gonna have to have a community yard sale or something at that point. But that's such a that is a smart idea because I when buying gifts, especially for people who I don't know that well or like there, I don't know their tastes that well. 00:22:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will panic. It's I hate it. I hate gift giving. I truly do. It's not the love language that my family grew up with. What is your lovelength cash? Cash or or or lack of pain? 00:23:06 Speaker 4: Oh, lack of like service, lack of disapproval is my reward for doing well? 00:23:13 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? 00:23:16 Speaker 2: Disappointed and you're like, you're just filled with love exactly. That is a nice feeling when someone's not disappointed in me. Oh my god, I'm through the roof. I'm like, I did bare minimum for you, fantastic, you're not mad or you're not sad or I think that's a wonderful love language. 00:23:34 Speaker 3: It is one of them. Yes, But back to self help stuff. So you do love self help stuff? 00:23:39 Speaker 4: I do because you know, I'm an immigrant kid. I came to America from Taiwan when I was five, and I too much. Older brothers and the rest of my family didn't accultuate as fast as me. I'm just a little five year old, just like learning the ABC's right, you know, and so I, very early on in my life had to figure everything out. Just I translated for my. 00:24:00 Speaker 3: Family, you know all of that. 00:24:01 Speaker 4: So so to me, books are great if I don't know something about America. I look at a book. 00:24:08 Speaker 3: You know, Americans won't do that. Yeah, you know, for sure, I took a citizenship test. 00:24:14 Speaker 4: For sure, I know more civics than some Yeah, but yeah, I think you know, I've always sought like sort of outside authority to to teach myself anything from inside out. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: And so when I got to college and I realized I. 00:24:32 Speaker 4: Had repressed trauma that I needed to process, I sought out the language and the advice of self help books and therapists and and that helps so much. 00:24:43 Speaker 3: And so I just always rely on that when you are not raised in a way that you are. 00:24:48 Speaker 4: Well equipped for adulthood, you must seek those You must seek that training yourself. 00:24:53 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, and I think that that actually is most people. I mean self help. 00:24:59 Speaker 2: I think that there must have been some point in the eighties or nineties when self there was some weird nightmare version of self help which created kind of this thing that we. 00:25:09 Speaker 3: Make fun of. 00:25:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, But then, like I guess, maybe maybe just getting older, you realize, oh, most of these things have some some useful thing. 00:25:21 Speaker 3: In your life. 00:25:22 Speaker 2: I guess people are like they look at Tony Robbins or whatever, screaming at people in an audience, it's like, oh, I don't have that, Yeah, but look as much as I make fun, I get sucked into the even even the most bare minimum. The Instagram infographics, I'm looking at them. 00:25:37 Speaker 3: Oh my god, so. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: Much wisdom today and beautifully curated infographics. 00:25:43 Speaker 3: Where does it coming from? 00:25:44 Speaker 2: Though? I feel like there's a giant machine that's just putting four different colors of pastel together with whatever therapy advice it's gleamed from the Internet, Like who are the people behind the endless infographics? 00:26:00 Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, after everyone had access to Microsoft Paint. It's like before Microsoft Paint and after Microsoft Paint, the technology jumped far enough that anyone with any sense of you know, motor skills could figure out how to like design and communicate words and images. So I feel like, yeah, there's a lot of graphic designers out there who just want to get their message out and their art. 00:26:24 Speaker 2: Out right, and it's like, here are ten reasons your partner is going to kill you or whatever, And it's like, Okay, this all makes kind of makes sense. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: My partner's going to kill me. 00:26:34 Speaker 4: Or here's my visual spin on a roomy quote, right right, or amya Angelou, I wisdom, you know. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: And all of these things have some value. Yeah. 00:26:43 Speaker 4: No, so I will save a good Oh I love I love a holistic psychologist quote on Instagram. I love the holistic psychologists. They put up little things about codependency. I'm like, yes, tell me why, I you know whatever you know and it yeah, it's it's all. It's all good. 00:27:01 Speaker 3: It's very helpful. So anyway, I. 00:27:03 Speaker 4: Whenever I like would have a bad breakup, whenever like I'm like, ooh, this is some of this is me, I would just try to be single. And then whenever I had the itch to like text an old flame right or or go out and troll for Dick, I would I would just try to stop that, you know, the way that you would hear people put a little rubber band around their wrist and snap it when when they're craving smoking. 00:27:27 Speaker 3: I would do that. 00:27:29 Speaker 4: But with self help books, I'd be like, don't do the text open up like the way people treat the Bible. Sometimes I just open up the page and just put my finger down and just who knows when God's gonna speak to me, you know, and then you put So that's what I'll do I'll open a self help book and just scan until, you know, randomly, until I see something that resonates, and then I'll just end up crying. 00:27:52 Speaker 3: And then if I feel a little better, do you have like a go to self help book? Is there, like an oh, I have some. I have a suite of self help books, but I do have a top four. I do highly writer them. I'd love to hear them. 00:28:05 Speaker 4: I would say my core curriculum included. By the way, I'm just just forgive me a lot of these, A lot of these self help book people. They don't they're not good at marketing, but they're so the titles are bad, right, so a little cringe. But like one of my favorites was loving Him Without Losing You, you know, which I love that and that was really good for like disappearing women. I mean, you know, I think they probably updated it to be sort of not gender specific, but but it is sort of a woman centric how we're socialized and you know, tend to be codependent. 00:28:37 Speaker 3: Or whatever, So that was very helpful. 00:28:40 Speaker 4: It's about you know, really finding your true self and not really needing to, you know, find a relationship to define who you are. And then my second one that I really liked was why does he do that? 00:28:52 Speaker 3: It really sounds like. 00:28:54 Speaker 4: Writers, like a comedy writer's room said we need joke titles for therapy books, self help books. 00:29:02 Speaker 2: And it was like, but that is actually for anyone that's been in a relationship with a man. I mean, that's a very good question. It's a constantly on the mind. 00:29:14 Speaker 4: Why does he do that? That's truly a book that I have like dog eared highlighted. It is written from a man who ran support groups with male abusers. 00:29:26 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, so it's. 00:29:28 Speaker 4: Like so he was like, through these conversations and these groups that I led, I have been able to really break down the psychological framework that drives an abusive man. 00:29:38 Speaker 3: Wow, it was amazing. The main kernel I got from it is. 00:29:42 Speaker 4: No, it's not because he had a terrible childhood. There's plenty of people who are terrible from childhood or who had a terrible childhood who end up not being abusive. 00:29:50 Speaker 1: Right. 00:29:50 Speaker 4: The key that makes someone abusive is that is their value system and their belief system, right, you know. And that helped me a lot, Like do you believe that you are entitled treating a certain person a certain way or a certain type of person a certain way. Right, it is a belief, it is a choice. So that's a very fundamental tas away. 00:30:06 Speaker 2: These titles, it's like totally discounts all this valuable, like very serious information. 00:30:13 Speaker 3: But I guess it's just hard. Titles are hard. Titles are hard. Why does he do that? Why does he do that? Okay? Number number three? 00:30:20 Speaker 4: Number three is the classic Artist's Way, Oh, of course, the Artist What an influential book to define what it means to support a creative life. Yes, and then we have finally The. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: War of Art. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, another great one for a really good one. The creative or even if you're not in a creative field. 00:30:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, anything that requires a level of either productivity or creativity in anything. Uh, it's really about like talking about psychologically, what are you doing to yourself to block yourself from just acting or trying to do something? 00:30:55 Speaker 2: See both of those are the last two titles you mentioned are perfectly fine. But I think it's because they basically just say exactly what it is. 00:31:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, why does he do that? Why does he do that? 00:31:06 Speaker 2: Should just be called this is why He's abusive? That feels like a clearer title. Uh, not corny and it's just get to the heart of the matter. And what was the first one you mentioned. 00:31:19 Speaker 3: Without losing you? 00:31:22 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:31:22 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what that was. I don't know what the title of that becomes. Yeah, what are all loving him without losing you? 00:31:29 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:31:32 Speaker 3: That's titles are tricky. Don't take his ship, don't take his dot. 00:31:38 Speaker 4: You don't need him, right, you don't. You don't need him as an excellent I imagine these two titles. Why does he do that? 00:31:45 Speaker 3: And you don't need him? 00:31:46 Speaker 4: Just having an argument, just having a very deep covered just two books facing each other, just bickering. 00:31:53 Speaker 3: You don't need him. Why does he do that? You don't need Okay, Well I've got okay, I've got these affirmators. 00:32:02 Speaker 4: It's shrink wrapped for those who can't see, it's shrink wrapped, and so I just I'm curious about what's inside as well. 00:32:08 Speaker 3: Did my look to my rat past and opened it with my teeth? Oh? 00:32:13 Speaker 6: I love. 00:32:14 Speaker 3: This is a nice little it looks like a fancy little deck of tarot cards. But it's not right. 00:32:19 Speaker 2: You know how to use these cards. There's no wrong way to use these cards. You don't want to start them, then I'm gonna just disregard the rest of the directions. If you tell me that os is turn them face down on a table in front of you and shuffle them the way a three year old would. Okay, specific as you mix the cards around, close your eyes, you mean. 00:32:38 Speaker 3: Throw them willy nilly and then have your mom step on them in the middle of the night. We're giving a lot of credit to three year olds. Three year old is essentially a baby. 00:32:47 Speaker 2: If you have seen a three year old recently, they do not have the motor skills to shuffle cards. 00:32:51 Speaker 3: So I would call anyone who is under the age of eighteen a baby. 00:32:55 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, they don't have the skills, no efficient frontal lobe or motor skills. 00:33:00 Speaker 2: I'm barely able to shuffle a deck of cards anyway. SOEs mix the cards around, close your eyes, take a deep breath, and silently ask the cards that the cards give you a message that you will benefit from in this moment. Then reach in, pull a single card and feel confident this is the card for you. Should I give it a shot? Oh my gosh, I'll give a question. 00:33:20 Speaker 3: You are going to have to do this as well, so. 00:33:22 Speaker 2: It's your given. Don't leave me alone here. Okay, so I've already forgotten how. 00:33:29 Speaker 4: To do this. Okay, So basically, I mean the shortcut is you shuffle the cards, think about your question, put your energy into it. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: As one says in this Realm, right cards and like a three year old? How do you shuffle them like a three year old. 00:33:44 Speaker 2: Doing my three year old? Well, you just get like a lot of syrup on your hands everything. 00:33:50 Speaker 4: I guess they're like as opposed to a Las Vegas casino dealer. Is that are we saying we don't want to Accordian shuffle? 00:33:59 Speaker 3: I wish I could do the Cordion shuffle. Okay, this feels shuffled. To keep going, you got it? Close your eyes, okay, deep breath, h I'm taking the car. Oh I have to ask it a question? Yeah, okay, what will benefit me in this moment? 00:34:17 Speaker 2: This is what it's gonna say. I'm about to announce. There's kind of a gray cloud with a smile on its face and says gentleness. Okay, I speak with gentleness and I listen with gentleness. This is very podcast orient. I align with the gentlest part of myself, and I take joy in being receptive, open and unafraid. I am like a baby deer who's best friends with a baby elephant. I say that all the time. Everyone knows that about me. The baby elephant wraps its little trunk around my shoulders and we lie down gently on the grass, daydreaming and talking about what sorts of humans the clouds look like. 00:34:54 Speaker 3: That's very nice. That was the most pleasant imagery that I have. Jenny, you have to do this. 00:35:00 Speaker 4: I just finished watching Squid Game, and I really needed that. 00:35:03 Speaker 2: That's an intent show. I've only watched one episode and I'm I'm like bringing myself back. I feel so behind the rest of truly, ninety percent of the world has watched at this point. 00:35:13 Speaker 3: This is my journey. You're gentle. You just put the you just pull the card. You're too gentle for squid Game. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: I am tough as nails, okay, and I'm gonna watch squid Game. 00:35:23 Speaker 3: But gentle does not imply lack of toughness. 00:35:25 Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. Okay, send it on to the world. That's those are not competing things. 00:35:29 Speaker 2: Gentleness is my power. Okay, shuffle the cards. Yeah, and let's see what's happening with you. Jenny is doing her best three year old shuffle. 00:35:39 Speaker 4: You know what, as opposed to shuffling like a three year old, I'm going to shuffle. 00:35:42 Speaker 3: Whoa, this is very pro like a Vegas dealer. Okay, this is this is how I live right very least. This is Reno skill level. 00:35:51 Speaker 4: Listen the Chinese and I asked for understand that you know you must know how to shuffle cards. 00:35:56 Speaker 3: Oh, I feel so shamed right now. My shuffling was the most rudimentary. I am not doing this to shame you. 00:36:03 Speaker 2: Tell we don't always do things on purpose to shame others. Sometimes we do it by mistake. 00:36:08 Speaker 3: Oh okay, so now I ask it a question. You say, you ask it the best thing for you in this moment? 00:36:14 Speaker 4: Oh, what is the best thing for me in this moment? The card I drew says playfulness. It looks like a little like bootleg Mary Poppins, she looks like a governess. 00:36:33 Speaker 3: In a cartoon and says playfulness. I am playful. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: I am a playful participant in life, and I always have the option to make something a fun game rather than a heavy burden. 00:36:42 Speaker 6: Oh. 00:36:43 Speaker 4: Mary Poppins puts sugar in the medicine for a reason that lady really knows how to. 00:36:48 Speaker 3: Party, what, who's writing this? Who gets paid to write this? This is what? 00:36:55 Speaker 4: This is the thing I'm going to show my parents when when they're like, what can you do when you're a comedian? 00:37:01 Speaker 3: What do you get paid to do? 00:37:03 Speaker 4: What kind of jobs can you get? I'm gonna show them this card. I'm gonna say, do you see how this is so delightful? The command of the English language, The reference to pop culture. 00:37:14 Speaker 3: Wow, so you a bootleg Mary Popp'inm's. 00:37:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, though, I love I love that in this moment. Any playfulness. It's what we're doing. We're playing. We're out here playing. 00:37:22 Speaker 2: Does Yeah, you feel like a playful I mean the animal crossing thing. I feel like you live a life of playfulness. 00:37:28 Speaker 4: And I love putting sugar in medicine. That's literally what I do when I perform a stand up comedy. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, did anybody ever put sugar in actual medicine? That's the big question. 00:37:38 Speaker 3: I feel like they did. I feel like that was. 00:37:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the entire up until probably the twentieth century, most medicine was just sugar, right, sugar and alcohol. 00:37:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, sugar, alcohol and uh sassafras. That's just a word that occurs to me. Licorice bark. You know everything was a tonic. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: Root, that kind of thing. Yeah, well interesting, So your playfulness, I'm gentleness. 00:38:06 Speaker 3: I love that moment in. 00:38:08 Speaker 4: The moment, that's what we need right now. I agree, you know, things can get heavy, and I always can rely on being feeling feeling a. 00:38:16 Speaker 3: Little frivolous, right right. I like that. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: I love this game, or I guess it's not so much a game, but as a it's a now just my life teacher. 00:38:25 Speaker 3: It is a way of life. I told you this is we're turning this into a lifestyle broadcast. You will do anything in your power to turn this into a lifestyle. 00:38:33 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I secretly want to just be Gwinny and run my own goop. Of course, who doesn't Martha Stewart Living? You know, any one of these people who get to have their own limited run magazines every month at the grocery store with their face on it. 00:38:53 Speaker 3: Who's buying this? 00:38:53 Speaker 4: I don't have enough crossover appeal to truly be Rachel Ray, you know what I mean? Like Rachel Ray? She has a magazine? 00:39:00 Speaker 2: Why Rachel Ray? At this point, I feel like it's largely just in the dog food game. Yeah, she's got her own line of dog food, it's right, Is that true? Or am I making that up? 00:39:09 Speaker 5: No? 00:39:10 Speaker 3: Okay, it's not true. 00:39:11 Speaker 4: Probably, but you know, any one of these lifestyle gurus that kind of go into like print media. 00:39:17 Speaker 2: Right, I would love, I mean nothing would make me happier than to be a Martha. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: Oh, let me be on what is it. 00:39:24 Speaker 2: She's in Connecticut or something New Hampshire, something like the Hill. I think it's the where she lives. And then she's on Instagram barely communicating her thoughts and feelings always and then writing like a lawnmower. 00:39:36 Speaker 4: Around because I feel like she's been in the influencer game so long, so it only makes sense that, you know, as she's adapted to social media and as she's gotten older, it's like you're You're Martha Stewart. You don't have to prove anything. You could truly just be a vibe. That's all she needs to do. She doesn't have to communicate anything but just smolder to the camera in her leg pool. Oh my god, you know, do collapse with like, you know, weed smoking, you know, fucking Snoop dogg I don't know. 00:40:03 Speaker 2: One of these days, I'm going to cross paths with Martha Stewart and it's going to change lives. It's going to change both of our lives. It's going to change everyone else's life. Book it actually speaking of self help things, I have an app called the Pattern. 00:40:17 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: It recently told me I'm going to find inner happiness in February of twenty twenty two, So put it on your calendars. 00:40:23 Speaker 4: Folks, you have to check in. I am putting it on my calendar. I'm going to ask you February of twenty two. 00:40:29 Speaker 3: That's what I do. 00:40:30 Speaker 4: I will put it on my Google calendar. I only have a few months left before I have inner happiness. 00:40:36 Speaker 3: Do you feel inner happiness now? No, absolutely not. I am as far from inner happiness as you possibly could get. Have you ever felt inner happiness? It's a good question. 00:40:48 Speaker 2: I think I do feel inner happiness for about four minutes every morning, after I have coffee and breakfast and then retreat to whatever my actual inner turmoil is. Right, you know, the coffee, the caffeine clicks in, got a breakfast in my stomach. No one's bothered me yet today. Yeah, I'm hopeful I like that. 00:41:10 Speaker 3: Do you have inner happiness? 00:41:11 Speaker 4: I do most of the time, I think so. Oh, at least half I do have to see it. That's a good amount, and I'm very happy with that. 00:41:20 Speaker 3: It used to not be. 00:41:21 Speaker 4: Like I'm telling you, I've read a lot of self help books. I've done a lot of journaling. 00:41:27 Speaker 3: Look, playfulness, Let's play a game. I'm trying to play a game. 00:41:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, let's do it. Let's play a game called Gift or a Curse. I need a number between one and ten from you. Oh, let's do a six. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:41:39 Speaker 2: I have to do like calculating right now to get our game pieces. So this is your opportunity to promote something. If you don't feel like promoting, you can recommend. If you don't feel like recommending, you can do whatever you. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: Want, okay, like calculating. 00:41:54 Speaker 4: Well, while Bridger is doing light calculating, I guess I'm supposed to be promoting or recommend. My birthday's coming up in early November, and uh, what I wish for the world is, uh, everyone to get vaccinated. I wish Okay, so this is not a wish list, Jenny, what are you doing? I don't know why I'm getting so nervous just monologuing here. But no, I would have come back from my tour on the Eat Northeast. I'm obsessed with preppy Northeast culture truly, And I just discovered there's a. 00:42:29 Speaker 3: Word called the leaf peep. Peeping people like to leaf peep. I didn't know that. Is that like touring the fall leaves? Yes, I would love to do that leaf peeping. It's just a very creepy name. I don't need to call it peeping. 00:42:41 Speaker 4: No, but John John Oliver actually feature a little bit about it where everyone started saying it's leaf peeping season just recently. I was like, see, you get it. It's it's awkward, it's creepy. But I was like, I'm gonna name my tour of the Northeast the Mini Tour the leaf Peeper Tour. 00:42:58 Speaker 3: That's a great name. 00:42:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, people don't know that right now because this by the time this comes out, the shows would have happened. But I actually ordered myself a big stack of fake fall leaves and I'm just gonna throw on stage. Oh that's fantastic, emphasize a punchline. I feel like that's gonna be my new tagline. Is just a flourish of fall leaves. I hope you kind of get pigeonholed as the fall leaf comedian. Isn't she that person who throws leaves on stage? You'll have like a residency in Vegas where it's just like all leaf material. I think that would work for you. 00:43:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be pigeonholed. 00:43:32 Speaker 4: Ten years ago, I did a when I started stand up, I did a show called Pumpkin the Pumpkin Spice Show, and it was just literally my whole excuse to make fun of pumpkin spice. But we've crusted, we've come back to unironically loving it, right, So I do love it. 00:43:46 Speaker 2: The deep saturation of pumpkin spice. Jokes about like twenty fifteen, I think kind of we all fell into it and now. 00:43:53 Speaker 3: It's just part of the world. It is we've accepted. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: Anyway, here's how we play gift or at Kurts. Okay, I'm gonna name three things. Yeah, you're gonna tell me if there are a gift or a curse and why. Now, be careful there are correct answers. You can lose the game and people will be furious. Okay, it could devastate your career, So just be careful. What is your fan base called? Is there a name for your fan No, we don't have. 00:44:17 Speaker 3: I've never you know, the Bridgerton's, the Bridgerton's, I've never labeled them, so they'll be upset if I mess up, they will be furious. Okay, got it? Number one? And this one actually I just threw in. 00:44:30 Speaker 2: It was not part of my light calculating because it's an actually excellent suggestion from none other than our producer on a lease. And so I you know, I kind of cooked the books and just threw it in. 00:44:41 Speaker 3: Sue me. Gift or a curse? Texts being sent with effects? 00:44:46 Speaker 1: Do you know these? 00:44:47 Speaker 2: You know it's like various effects, the confetti, the fireworks, the what have yous? 00:44:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, after a curse it is. I'm so sorry for the one person who does this to me on my own I phone. A curse and why because it's startling. It's startling. I don't know if you know this, but I live with zero notifications on nothing, buzzes, nothing rings. If I want to talk to you, i'd be looking at my phone, you know what I mean. And I'm on my phone enough that for the most part. 00:45:19 Speaker 3: I don't miss. 00:45:19 Speaker 4: Anything, but I don't like the Pavlovian adrenaline rush that we get from, you know, playing the slot machine on our phones all day, and so I don't like those things surprising me. If it's a if it's a congratulations, good luck or whatever, I want to feel the positivity. I don't want to be frightened, you know what I mean. I don't want it's confusing because you can do little weird swooshes like a text bubble, can can blow up like a balloon and explode. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: It's all very violent. It's all very violent. 00:45:55 Speaker 6: You know. 00:45:56 Speaker 4: When I want to see violence, I want to choose it. And I don't want to be surprised. Why squid Game exactly. I'm clicking on go play squid Game comments, but I don't want it to surprise me. 00:46:07 Speaker 3: That's why I done. I don't go to horror movies. Oh. I could do this all day. I could give you reasons for my position. 00:46:14 Speaker 2: Well, it's your playful nature. Oh it is, Jenny. Oh, I hate to hear it off the bat. You're wrong. I love these things. Oh look, look here's my whole thing. When you say you have no notifications you don't get the buzz, the beep, the bing, the ding. 00:46:33 Speaker 3: I'm on board with that. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: Twenty twelve, I had a boss who I despise, who would it was constantly texting and calling me, And I can just pinpoint the psychological turn where I was like, I can no longer handle the phone notifying me of anything. Yeah, silent everything. Yes, it's very frustrating for a lot of people in my life. I can't get a hold of you. Why didn't you see my text? Because I'm taking care of myself. 00:46:59 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:47:00 Speaker 5: I'll get around to you when I get around to you, that's right. So I'm fully on board with that. Great, but you're not the effects I love. I love a gimmick, a visual gimmick. I love the fireworks. 00:47:12 Speaker 2: I actually kind of wish when you were talking about that, I feel like there should be one more ghosts fly out of the phone at you. Why isn't there like a scary effect or a chandelier falls from the top of the phone. 00:47:21 Speaker 4: Just just a Phantom of the Opera themed set of effects. 00:47:25 Speaker 3: What I'm asking for? Mask? 00:47:29 Speaker 2: Yes, a Lloyd Weber sponsored text effect. Yeah, Apple, let's talk, Tim Cook, get me on the line. Okay, so zero, so far, Jenny, I think they're a gift. 00:47:44 Speaker 3: Great. 00:47:45 Speaker 4: Remember we sit on opposite ends of this. That's fine, it's fine. 00:47:48 Speaker 2: Well, we've had such a good time so far that this little fissure in our relationship. I don't think it's going to be a problem. Number two, this is a listener suggestion from someone named Lindsay. Gift or a curse. Musicians call new albums projects. 00:48:02 Speaker 3: Oh, a curse? 00:48:05 Speaker 4: And why you know, even the Mindy Project disturbed me for a hot second. I love Mindy Kaling because I feel like it's a it's uh, you know, this is before I worked in the biz, but you know, it just felt like the temporary untitled name. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: Yes, and it's like, I get it. Titles are hard. 00:48:24 Speaker 4: That's why in journalism we have headline writers who are different from the regular writers, and so I can sympathize with that, empathize. I don't know which, whatever the feeling is, I love you, Mindy Kiling, But Mindy Project, you know, the X y Z Project, you know, it just feels a little lazy, it doesn't. It feels uninspired. 00:48:48 Speaker 3: It feels like is this what is to come right? 00:48:54 Speaker 1: Right? 00:48:54 Speaker 3: Because the headline. The title. 00:48:56 Speaker 4: It's supposed to give you a taste in a mus bush m hmmm, right of what the full meal should be. And I don't appreciate that level of the lack of consideration. 00:49:08 Speaker 3: You got it. 00:49:09 Speaker 2: They're absolutely of course, it's a curse for all the reason I stated. Also, I feel like it's kind of a symptom of like suddenly, now musicians, like everyone, you have your thing, you do well, but you also have to do fifty other things well. So the musician now has to have it be a visual project. They've got to have it be an interactive element. It's like, just make an album and title it and let's move on. I want to listen to your album with a nice title. I don't need it to be a four D experience. No, forget it, it's just distracting. Yeah, focus, we need you to focus. Project is to general. 00:49:43 Speaker 3: Everybody I on the prize forget the projects. 00:49:46 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's Kanye West, I think, is kind of leading the charge of all this, inviting everyone to an arena, and suddenly it's just this ongoing nightmare we're stuck in. It's like, if it was just an album with the title, we could forget about it and move on with our lives. 00:49:59 Speaker 3: Instead, it's a never ending project. 00:50:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like a project she should only be used by any artist or creator who is either God or at the level of ego of God. And therefore Kanye and God, you know what I mean. That's like I feel like, that's that's your project people, because they have such an ambitious vision. 00:50:19 Speaker 2: We know you're just gonna be wandering around kind of this unfinished house for the rest of your life. Yes, and we just that's who you are. 00:50:26 Speaker 4: Go for it and then And the only other times you should use the word project is if you are dating someone you want to fix. 00:50:32 Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Why would you use it for your album? 00:50:35 Speaker 2: And any Instagram infographic will tell you to get out of that relationship, is right? 00:50:40 Speaker 3: Could you fix him? 00:50:41 Speaker 5: No? 00:50:41 Speaker 3: You can't change him. You can't. Why does he do that? 00:50:45 Speaker 2: You can? 00:50:45 Speaker 3: You can? You can love him without losing you, you know what I mean? 00:50:48 Speaker 4: Right? 00:50:48 Speaker 3: Thank you? 00:50:49 Speaker 2: Someone had to say it exactly. Okay, you've gotten one out of two so far. This is the final one. Okay, gift or a curse? Skywriting? 00:50:58 Speaker 3: A gift? 00:50:59 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:50:59 Speaker 3: Are you kids? 00:51:00 Speaker 5: Mean? 00:51:00 Speaker 4: Immediately? A gift and why I love words. Okay, okay, language is beautiful. It's how we connect. It's how I get delighted. Why not delight me when I'm just out and about in public. What I love about skywriting? Is it? 00:51:14 Speaker 1: Now? 00:51:14 Speaker 3: The think about it? 00:51:15 Speaker 4: It probably does collute the air, but whatever, you know, it's like the chalking. It's like the chalk writing of the sky. Sure you know, it's give me a fun little message. You know. Maybe someone's having a moment where they're proclaiming their love. You know what I mean. Maybe someone decided they needed to I don't know, shame someone in the sky. Let's see shame. I want to see all the deadly sins. I want to see all the emotions. It's just another opportunity to get communicated with and be broadcast with. One cannot afford a billboard. It requires a lot of designing and will it work, I don't know. But this is the billboard of the sky and it's ephemeral. I love an ephemeral art. Stand up comedy, Jenny Oh. 00:52:03 Speaker 3: Skywriting is a curse. I drove someone was skywriting a few weeks ago. 00:52:10 Speaker 2: I drove around the Eagle Rock area for probably twenty minutes waiting for to find out what it said. It was never clear. They wasted my time. We're polluting the air. What are we doing when you're dragging everyone into your advertising or your big proposal. Now you bring up the idea of shame if somebody wants to write in the air bridge or you slut. Okay, I'm on board with that. 00:52:32 Speaker 3: Oh here that. 00:52:34 Speaker 2: Oh we're getting some birds. Oh, I hope the mics pick up the birds. They've come for a little evening supper. Maybe it's shaming me. 00:52:46 Speaker 4: They're like, why are you constantly talking for so long? I hate these human voices. 00:52:50 Speaker 3: Shut up? 00:52:52 Speaker 2: Okay, well, Jenny, look skywriting curse. I'm not on board with it. 00:52:56 Speaker 4: You know. 00:52:56 Speaker 2: Look, there's something kind of charming and old fashioned it, but ultimately I feel like it must be so expensive, Yes, and what what are we trying to get across? 00:53:07 Speaker 3: H And again, that recent experience I had was just so traumatic for me. Yeah, and to what end? It's okay? 00:53:16 Speaker 4: You know, it's okay for us to disagree because you're you're very gentle with it. That's true, and so I don't feel personally offended. I feel disappointed, but okay, not personally offended. 00:53:26 Speaker 2: Okay, this you're obviously just upset that you lost the game, and that's fine. Okay, let's answer a listener question. Sure, let's do this is called I said no emails. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They people have so many problems, it's overwhelming. And so they turned to me, and they turned to my guests, and then they get advice. This is the uh, this is the one I'm going to read, it, says deer Bridger and guest. Midway through the pandemic, my partner and I moved to Utah. I'm from Utah so familiar, and moved into his parents' house until we could get settled and find work. We lived with them for almost six months and have now moved out. What is a gift we can get them that says thank you for hosting us. That isn't junk. They are doing a home renovation soon, so anything too big will just be something else they need to move. Thanks for your help, G. The letter G Greg Gary, Gloria, God only knows, God only knows could. 00:54:25 Speaker 3: Be the first name. It's a good point I make. What does G get these in laws that they were staying with for six months. 00:54:35 Speaker 2: Six months is a decent chunk of time. They've just renovated or they're about to renovate. 00:54:40 Speaker 4: Yes, I you know, I did light renovations before I moved into my house this year, right, and I really relied on delivery food because it was my kitchen being done. 00:54:51 Speaker 3: Oh of course, So if you want to get like. 00:54:53 Speaker 4: A delivery gift card, I think that's probably useful so it doesn't take up too much space. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: Right. 00:55:00 Speaker 4: We also did rely on a hot plate that I had, an induction hot plate, right, also a really you know, hefty sort of toaster, oven, broiler, air frar. So if there is a small appliance like an air fryer or or a you know, induction is great because it doesn't it's like, doesn't. 00:55:22 Speaker 3: It won't cause a fire. Right if the electrical court is fine, I'll find a way. 00:55:29 Speaker 2: That is. Now I feel very stupid because my sister just moved into her house. They were renovating this house, and I gave her a gift card to West Elm. They didn't have a k they haven't had a kitchen or working oven or anything for weeks. I could have saved them a lot of money with food. 00:55:44 Speaker 4: No, but yes, but you know, West Elm is still really nice because they're going to be buying furniture. 00:55:49 Speaker 3: I guess. 00:55:50 Speaker 2: But practical, I should have thought more practical shitt kids who are probably hungry. 00:55:56 Speaker 4: No, that's practical enough. I will be here to affirm that gift choice. 00:56:00 Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate that. I like to fish for an affirmation. Gee, Jenny has given you some excellent advice here. I'm gonna say, why not a huge like indoor water feature. 00:56:12 Speaker 3: Oh, I love indor. 00:56:15 Speaker 2: It kind of makes any room it's in kind of humid and gross. Yes, I think that could be nice for the in laws, and they can't say no when you have two extra bodies in the home. It does make the atmosphere humid and gross. So when you leave, they might miss you. 00:56:30 Speaker 4: Give them an indoor water feature, make them feel like you're their mouth breathing. 00:56:36 Speaker 3: While even though you're physically gone. I love it. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: The utai are is very dry and it's essentially a humidifier. We're headed into the winter months. Mom and dad in law are going to love this fountain that they have to maintain. That's kind of growing mold, algae, algae it's kind of like giving them a little pet. Yeah, and why not throw in a pet while. 00:57:03 Speaker 3: You're at it? Guess what? 00:57:04 Speaker 2: This is what we call a project. And with that we're closing the mailbag. Gene, congratulations on getting out of mom and dad in law's house. I guess maybe not in laws. That you just said partner. You didn't say husband or wife. I hate to assume, but that you know, when you write into this podcast, I will be assuming things about you and just moving forward. I've deleted your email. You've gotten the answer. Go forward with your new life. Jenny. 00:57:32 Speaker 3: What a wonderful time I've had here. Delightful, playful, gentle, all of it. It's everything anyone could ask for and more. We're neighbors. We're neighbors. We just you know, chatted, we met, I gave you a gift. We're sisters in sauce. We are. We appreciate a sauce. We'll keep the sauce. 00:57:49 Speaker 4: I'm telling you you're gonna get You're gonna get a mailbag. Uh, you know, overflooded because there's it's very controversial. There's people who are very upset about keeping extra sauce. 00:57:59 Speaker 3: Are you serious? 00:58:00 Speaker 4: Which is as a clutter, and you know you're not going to use it. That's that's just me channeling my partner. 00:58:05 Speaker 5: It's food. 00:58:07 Speaker 2: People around the world would love to have an extra sauce. I'm grateful for an extra sauce. 00:58:11 Speaker 4: See, that's why I think we're gonna get along. 00:58:14 Speaker 2: We're practical. Yep, Listener, keep a couple sauces. You never know when you're gonna need them. You might want some Ketchup in your glove box. Occasionally you need a little extra Ketchup, just a. 00:58:24 Speaker 6: Little hot car ketchup, just a nice walk. Your car breaks down in the middle of the road, you're out there for days. I can't believe I threw away those three Ketchup packets. I could have had breakfast, lunch, and dinner with these packets. 00:58:39 Speaker 3: No, you're right. 00:58:40 Speaker 4: Actually, now that I think about it, in a survival situation, i'm not. I can't disagree with that. 00:58:45 Speaker 2: Look, we've all lived through a pandemic and we've seen the empty shelves. You want to keep the sauces. Listener, Hopefully your car hasn't broken down. Hopefully you're not listening to this waiting to be towed. But if you are, I hate to rub in the fact that you threw away all that catch up and made such a foolish decision, but hopefully you'll learn. 00:59:04 Speaker 3: Jenny, thank you for being here. I'm excited. Thank you listener. 00:59:07 Speaker 2: We're gonna send you off into the world now like a little newborn baby. Go and make some decent choices. 00:59:15 Speaker 3: Goodbye. 00:59:20 Speaker 2: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced and engineered by our dear friend Annalisea Nelson, and the theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said No Gifts. 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