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Speaker 1: positive way, mister Rosenthal. The AFC wild Card situation wild
Speaker 1: there are six teams at seven and six. Six teams
Speaker 1: at seven and six Pittsburgh, Indy, Houston, Denver, Sincy, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: the NFC. They got the Vikings, the team of ATM
Speaker 1: they're seven and six, so that's nice as well.
Speaker 3: And then five teams with six wins.
Speaker 2: So it should be obvious there's a lot to be
Speaker 2: determined in this this final stretch of the regular season,
Speaker 2: and it's really.
Speaker 1: Hard to tell who's what. It's like you're in a
Speaker 1: house of.
Speaker 2: Mirrors trying to figure out what teams to really believe
Speaker 2: in right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was like a young kid, I used
Speaker 4: to spend and I became obsessed with football like back then,
Speaker 4: like on with a pen and paper. I'd go through
Speaker 4: these like playoff things like in my room for hours.
Speaker 4: But it like nothing back then was like this because
Speaker 4: there were always six or seven dominant teams and some trash.
Speaker 1: They're they'rew all cobble together right now.
Speaker 5: Right we thought the AFC was going to be the
Speaker 5: better conference going into this year. It is, but for
Speaker 5: a different reason, like at the top, it's not. But
Speaker 5: they do have eleven. We do have eleven teams in
Speaker 5: the AFC above five hundred basically eliminated five and everything
Speaker 5: else is up for grabs.
Speaker 6: I thought this was the best Sunday of the year, a.
Speaker 3: Very good Sunday, especially the early window.
Speaker 2: And then we had the game we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about right now because one of those teams entering action
Speaker 2: hoping to be seven to six was the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2: It was a game they absolutely needed. Guess what they
Speaker 2: went and they got it at Arrowhead.
Speaker 7: Malmes in the shotgun, two receivers left, one to the
Speaker 7: right and Kelsey in motion coming over left to right.
Speaker 7: Here's the snap back to pass and pressure coming throws
Speaker 7: it deep down the middle of the.
Speaker 6: Field, it falls incomplete turn over on.
Speaker 2: Downs Buffalo Football with fifty five seconds remaining, the defense holds.
Speaker 2: Oh indeed, Chris Brown with the call w g R
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. It's been a season of frustration and
Speaker 2: yet with kind of seemingly everything on the line, or
Speaker 2: at least it felt that way in this game, they
Speaker 2: find a way to get it done and maybe and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to it some great fortune in this
Speaker 2: case involving Darius Tonian where he put his right foot
Speaker 2: on a faithful play by the Chiefs on their last drive.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. Twenty seventeen Bills get the win.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, they are one of these seven and six teams.
Speaker 3: And Mark.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, the numbers don't jump out at you in
Speaker 2: this game. It's not like he had one of those
Speaker 2: classic games. But it was such a great Josh Allen
Speaker 2: game to me, And how often he saved the Bills
Speaker 2: from catastrophic plays, big sacks, big swings of momentum, and
Speaker 2: he kept on making great plays, keeping plays alive.
Speaker 1: It was vintage in so many ways.
Speaker 4: I thought he totally responded, you know, when not the
Speaker 4: entire team did around him at times There was one
Speaker 4: play can that comes up first for me was a
Speaker 4: just a classic Josh Allen improvisational dose of magic, where
Speaker 4: it was a four yard completion of Dalton Kincaid on
Speaker 4: fourth and one.
Speaker 1: He had no business even.
Speaker 4: Being around to make that throw, and it's like, it's
Speaker 4: this is the kind of thing that only Josh Allen
Speaker 4: can do. There was the I thought, absolute pivotal moment
Speaker 4: late in the game where it is seventeen seventeen. They're
Speaker 4: driving to you know, essentially get a field goal, and
Speaker 4: he almost took a sack, or he should have if
Speaker 4: he were a different human, that would have put them
Speaker 4: like out in dangerous worlds outside of where you want
Speaker 4: to be kicking a field goal. Instead, he found a
Speaker 4: way to elude the enemy and again find kick Caden
Speaker 4: the one yard he was right before the field one
Speaker 4: year completion and it's like, I feel like that saved
Speaker 4: them twelve thirteen yards or something.
Speaker 1: It would have been completely fatal.
Speaker 4: And so you know it's like they don't look completely
Speaker 4: together to me on offense, this was a team effort,
Speaker 4: but Alan showed us what he can do and why
Speaker 4: they're in this moment and you can't count them out
Speaker 4: on any level.
Speaker 1: This was a huge victory for the bills'n't saving.
Speaker 5: Right their season would have finally, I would have finally
Speaker 5: said it is over now. And I know they would
Speaker 5: have only been one game back of all the seven
Speaker 5: and sixteens, but they had been in these games week
Speaker 5: after week after week, and and Romo said on the broadcast,
Speaker 5: how they've giving up three leads in the final minute
Speaker 5: Sean mcdermot's defense. So for their defense with some absolute
Speaker 5: fortune to take advantage of that fortune after the call
Speaker 5: on Kadarius Tony and make three great plays in a row,
Speaker 5: it is worth mentioning. You know, Ed Oliver getting that
Speaker 5: tip there on third and fifteen, Leonard Floyd a great
Speaker 5: pickup to hit Mahomes's arm on fourth down. There's no
Speaker 5: rule that's saying the Bills aren't gonna give up a
Speaker 5: game ty and field goal in that situation anyways, after
Speaker 5: getting the fortunes, so they took advantage and yeah, Alan,
Speaker 5: to me, the key play of that final drive is
Speaker 5: the Design run on third and two. And it's just
Speaker 5: like it's Allen season. It's Design run. I'm gonna scramble
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna get it season.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the Tony play second and
Speaker 2: ten near midfield.
Speaker 3: In fact, let's listen to it.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to Chiefs Radio Mitch Holtis and company on
Speaker 2: what it looked to be a dramatic go ahead, a
Speaker 2: trick play touchdown that turned into a penalized play for
Speaker 2: Kansas City Buffalo.
Speaker 8: They sent another blitz selling out flag on the play
Speaker 8: might be a free one.
Speaker 9: They've got Kelsey at the thirty Kelsey twenty five, angling
Speaker 9: back twenty Now he's gonna ladder up back.
Speaker 1: That's the fifteen yard line.
Speaker 9: It's Tony ten time touchdown Kansas City.
Speaker 1: They mess around and practice with us all the time.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go with a forty nine yard touchdown.
Speaker 10: Kelsey the old University of Cincinnati quarterback number.
Speaker 11: Nineteen offense line up in the Riffers five yard pendety.
Speaker 12: Check it out.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't on on Cadarius Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Cadarius Tony, who set the tone for the whole
Speaker 2: season really in Week one on Thursday night with that
Speaker 2: brutal game of drops against the Lions. And I said
Speaker 2: it as we are gathering around that the monitor to
Speaker 2: watch his last drive. But I just had a feeling,
Speaker 2: and it's you don't need to be some type of
Speaker 2: seer to see this, that a wide receiver would betray
Speaker 2: Mahomes again on this this pivotal drive for their chances
Speaker 2: to be the number one seed, And not only does
Speaker 2: it happen, it's Tony again, who was legitimately off sides.
Speaker 3: His foot was in the neutral zone.
Speaker 2: Now, why is Pat Mahomes going insane after the fourth down?
Speaker 2: In completion frustration that happened a few plays later, but
Speaker 2: also because on the third and long Von Miller had
Speaker 2: lined up and gone off sides and there was no flag.
Speaker 2: So you had the frustration of them, you know, eyeballing
Speaker 2: Tony the way they did, and then missing von Miller
Speaker 2: and Andy Reid, who's not just like you're not known
Speaker 2: to see Mahomes as angry as we saw him on
Speaker 2: the sideline. Andy Reid was openly critical of the officiating.
Speaker 2: You get sense the frustration all around this operation.
Speaker 8: I never use any of this as excuses, but normally
Speaker 8: get a warning before something like that happens in a
Speaker 8: big game. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League
Speaker 8: for that to take place.
Speaker 1: Wow, So and yeah, that is strong.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that you get fined for that
Speaker 2: maybe and if you do, read can handle that.
Speaker 3: But that's yeah in a row.
Speaker 2: Now were the Chiefs that feel like they're on the
Speaker 2: wrong end of a pivotal officiating in the game. But
Speaker 2: once more, guys, you can't just look at the officials
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs because at the end of the day
Speaker 2: in their building, it was the other team's quarterback that
Speaker 2: you remember the plays, and it was the Chiefs scoring
Speaker 2: seventeen points. This is just who they are and they
Speaker 2: can't figure it out, and it's the wide receivers over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over.
Speaker 1: Kill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say with the Chiefs that when they had
Speaker 4: that Week one meltdown against the Lions, season starting not
Speaker 4: in any way that you'd wanted to, and they were
Speaker 4: we were given evidence that the whole internal whiteout crew
Speaker 4: is not going to be what you'd wanted. Maybe, and
Speaker 4: Tony obviously stood out in that one. And you have
Speaker 4: today and they're eight and five. They are two games
Speaker 4: behind the Baltimore Ravens, and you could, from a certain
Speaker 4: point of view say Tony cost them two games.
Speaker 1: But it's not just him.
Speaker 4: It's like these this cast of wideouts around Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: You thought by now they developed, they'd be somewhere else,
Speaker 4: Like someone would have stepped up Tony when the All
Speaker 4: Summer was talked about as their potential so called number one.
Speaker 1: Well, he's been sort of one of their number one nuisances. Guys.
Speaker 6: He's on that. He was off the field the next
Speaker 6: the rest of the drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you had a feel, you feel for him
Speaker 2: as a human. But it's like, oh my god, they
Speaker 2: are one game up on the Broncos now in the division.
Speaker 2: It's it's getting into a very weird place, unprecedented in
Speaker 2: the Mahomes ried era.
Speaker 5: And yet they still have a chance at the one seat.
Speaker 5: It'd be it'd be pretty hard. They're back too.
Speaker 1: But they keep telling us, though, Greg, that they're not
Speaker 1: going to go on that run.
Speaker 6: I don't get it right. I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: But I'm just looking at what the Ravens Dolphins, who
Speaker 5: play each other and have to go through, like everything
Speaker 5: is wide open. Rashie Rice has stepped up, and you
Speaker 5: know you're getting on me Dan in the newsroom for
Speaker 5: pointing out I've been saying that, you know, Rice isn't
Speaker 5: a guy to build the whole playing around because he
Speaker 5: doesn't really run all the routes and you.
Speaker 3: Can't do that with a lot of prompts.
Speaker 5: That that catch he made on the last drive around
Speaker 5: midfield was fantastic. I mean that is a starting wide
Speaker 5: receiver type of catch, not even really open, but a
Speaker 5: great throat, beautiful, great catch in that scenario, and that
Speaker 5: that was the point where they get to midfield with
Speaker 5: tons of time and timeouts because the Bills hadn't handled
Speaker 5: uh the situation well. And Sean McDermott, like he has
Speaker 5: a lot this year, is just calling blitz after blitz.
Speaker 5: He is very different than Leslie Frazier. He continued to
Speaker 5: come after them early in that drive and it wasn't
Speaker 5: really working.
Speaker 6: He gets bailed out a little bit.
Speaker 5: And then the four men pass rush Oliver and Floyd
Speaker 5: and Jordan Phillips really did impact those last three plays.
Speaker 6: And I choose to believe because I was kind of
Speaker 6: rooting for the Bills.
Speaker 1: You were you had picked them, and pick.
Speaker 6: We're picking him.
Speaker 5: I just I keep thinking this Bill's team is better
Speaker 5: than it is and waiting for it to show up.
Speaker 5: I choose to believe Josh Allen would have gone down
Speaker 5: the field in seventy two seconds because he had a
Speaker 5: lot of time left there.
Speaker 2: The game was not over. And maybe if you look
Speaker 2: at him and that class and we were robbed from
Speaker 2: that part of the class. You were celebrating the fourth
Speaker 2: and long and completion, We're like, great, Greg, we're trying
Speaker 2: to watch something good.
Speaker 1: He's got his personal interest in this.
Speaker 4: Can we celebrate We're watching football like the Josh Allen
Speaker 4: in that Eagles game.
Speaker 1: Right then the buy happens. It feels like a long
Speaker 1: time ago with that.
Speaker 4: In this, I do think the play calling switch worked
Speaker 4: in some sense where they're letting him do more what
Speaker 4: he does. I don't think they have another choice but
Speaker 4: just to let him.
Speaker 1: Do what he does. But we're getting kind of right.
Speaker 4: He also said, like they talked him in the broacasts
Speaker 4: that he said he's not felt this healthy like in years,
Speaker 4: and he looks like it. So I think it is
Speaker 4: a situation where you can look at the bills, it's
Speaker 4: like record aside. If they start to heat up and
Speaker 4: you get this version of Josh Allen, like I don't
Speaker 4: know where they're gonna wind up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so weird to see Mahomes that angry like he is.
Speaker 2: Lud do we have that, by the way, we have
Speaker 2: the footage. You can check it on in YouTube that is.
Speaker 2: And yes he's mad at the officiating because he's the
Speaker 2: one that's Von Miller and thought he had a free play.
Speaker 2: But this is a lot of things you're seeing that
Speaker 2: are boiling over with this team, and it is.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's still weird to watch.
Speaker 2: It's strange to watch this team in that money spot
Speaker 2: to instead of think what we've always thought, Oh nice
Speaker 2: try Bills, but you couldn't. Can't you miss Gabe Davis
Speaker 2: again on that and you go to kin k and
Speaker 2: they kick the field goal that's gonna cost you the
Speaker 2: game because Mahome is gonna make you pay. That doesn't
Speaker 2: happen anymore, No, not automatically, and it's not gonna happ
Speaker 2: until they fix the roster, and you can't do that
Speaker 2: until after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So that's where they are. Let's keep moving.
Speaker 2: Great start, fun game, but it wasn't the game of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: That was in Baltimore.
Speaker 11: Pathan Evans, it's punning the Tyland Wallace.
Speaker 1: Eavan's hang to a wobbler Walla.
Speaker 11: Settles under to twenty five, gets a block, comes out
Speaker 11: the air side, thirty spins out of one tackle thirty
Speaker 11: sideline Corny wants.
Speaker 1: In a Cordy tell us, come on, hell he tackles.
Speaker 9: Come celebration time, No fuge wus in the end zone,
Speaker 9: page in the board in.
Speaker 1: Over time.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a walk off punt return. It's only happened twice
Speaker 2: this season. They'll give up, give up the bongos. Let's
Speaker 2: give it up for Rams special teams that always finds
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 3: Three mistackles on that. Anyway, here we go.
Speaker 2: Well, his first game ever boys returning punts as a pro,
Speaker 2: Tyland Wallace goes seventy six to the house in ot
Speaker 2: to lift Greg's Ravens thirty seven to thirty one over
Speaker 2: Gregor's Rams.
Speaker 1: I know it's confusing, but that's the way it is.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: The game winner came following a wild end to regulation
Speaker 2: that included a dramatic third and forever TD strike from
Speaker 2: Lamar to Flowers and then a game tying field goal
Speaker 2: by the Rams in the final seconds of regulation. But
Speaker 2: in the end Greg they found away the Ravens, which
Speaker 2: is progress, I think, because this felt like the type
Speaker 2: of game that in the past the season, the Ravens
Speaker 2: found a way to lose.
Speaker 1: Not this time.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: When the Rams got the ball in overtime after the
Speaker 5: Ravens went three and out, I am thinking, good night,
Speaker 5: Rams are gonna go.
Speaker 2: How about first and ten at the thirtieth right at
Speaker 2: the end of regulation, I was thinking, oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Rams are going to win this game.
Speaker 5: And the Ravens found a way to do it, and
Speaker 5: we'll get to all the quarterback play. It was a
Speaker 5: fantastic game. We're gonna watch it for our Game of
Speaker 5: the Week on NFL Plus.
Speaker 6: So there is a lot to dig into.
Speaker 5: And yet in a game like this sometimes it really
Speaker 5: does come down to special teams. Devin DuVernay got injured
Speaker 5: and during the game, and that's the only reason why
Speaker 5: Wallace was the punt returner. And Harba said he thought
Speaker 5: about going to Za Flowers because you know, let's be real,
Speaker 5: Za Flowers is just like a more dynamic player. But
Speaker 5: Wallace had been the guy in practice all season. DuVernay, who,
Speaker 5: according to my Twitter search, Ravens fans are sick of
Speaker 5: who even though he was a Pro Bowl return.
Speaker 6: All he ever does is catch fair catches.
Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, there's no way he would have
Speaker 5: even returned that one, and Wallace makes one of the
Speaker 5: plays of the year teams and it was against the
Speaker 5: last ranked Rams special teams all season wrong long, it's
Speaker 5: not just their kicker who actually came through today in
Speaker 5: tough situation.
Speaker 6: All season along, the special teams have let them down.
Speaker 5: And I was getting on Harbaugh and the Ravens who
Speaker 5: are big about special teams early in the year when
Speaker 5: they were really low in that those rankings, and they've
Speaker 5: climbed higher and higher and they're better than average now
Speaker 5: and their kick returns, I mean, their kicker, Justin Tucker
Speaker 5: had a nice day.
Speaker 6: Hell yeah, hit some big kicks in tough conditions.
Speaker 5: And then the special teams stole them a game to
Speaker 5: keep them on top of the AFC North. Otherwise that
Speaker 5: division would seem up for grabs.
Speaker 4: And the way that the game started at that was
Speaker 4: optimistic for Baltimore and tells us that they're growing because
Speaker 4: you had the Isaiah Likely fIF four yard touchdown. Odell
Speaker 4: Beckham is a factor now where he was just a
Speaker 4: theory for.
Speaker 5: Ninety seven, and two of those Grabs were really a
Speaker 5: guy on their offense difficult.
Speaker 1: That's a huge development for them.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think looking at from the Rams side,
Speaker 4: they started out really hot in this, like Matthew Stafford
Speaker 4: like games in a row, has been on fire. But
Speaker 4: it's like they got figured out in the second half
Speaker 4: here by Baltimore's defense to come out after a really
Speaker 4: optimistic first thirty minutes to punt four straight times.
Speaker 5: But they finished so strong, and that's why this game
Speaker 5: went from like really interesting, good two fun teams twenty
Speaker 5: to seventeen at halftime he had two high level quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to like a truly great game because the end of
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, both quarterbacks just took over. The Rams
Speaker 5: get the ball back with eight minutes to go and
Speaker 5: Stafford leads just a Cooper Cup touchdown drive where he
Speaker 5: is doing everything. This was an old school Cooper Cup game.
Speaker 5: Eight for one point fifteen in a touchdown. He leads
Speaker 5: them down the field to Lamar Jackson, gets the ball back,
Speaker 5: needs a touchdown, and I know this won't feel like
Speaker 5: an mvpole He's gonna have to keep stacking. But those
Speaker 5: two throws when they needed a touchdown, he gets a
Speaker 5: touchdown drive in response third and seventeen to Zay Flowers
Speaker 5: was a just a dime of a throw and then
Speaker 5: the two point conversion. They sort of didn't make a
Speaker 5: big enough deal about it on the broadcast. That was
Speaker 5: a ridiculous play by Lamar Jackson to avoid pressure, step up,
Speaker 5: get smashed and hit the two point conversion. And if
Speaker 5: he doesn't hit that two pointer, they don't win this
Speaker 5: game because Stafford drove right back with a nice drive.
Speaker 6: So it was like really high level quarterback play by
Speaker 6: both these.
Speaker 1: Guys on the ground due by Lamar. I mean this
Speaker 1: is like that eleven for I.
Speaker 2: Love the body language from Zay Flowers after the two
Speaker 2: point conversion as well. It's just like I'm that guy,
Speaker 2: Like this is the guy that Lamar has been looking
Speaker 2: for for years. I have finally arrived and I've taken
Speaker 2: this offense up the next notch do we have. I
Speaker 2: know it's in a losing effort, but we like to
Speaker 2: track calls of the year, and our intrepid producer Eric,
Speaker 2: who's having a nice Sunday bills are alive and well,
Speaker 2: he was in his car rolling in and he got
Speaker 2: a great JB long.
Speaker 6: Call right yeah, coming in.
Speaker 2: It's usually the chargers of the rams on my radio,
Speaker 2: and this was the go ahead score late in the game.
Speaker 1: Here you go.
Speaker 14: It's here, second down and goal from the five.
Speaker 11: Has a snap helmet high looking left now middle pressure.
Speaker 15: He steps up, he throwze right side end zone.
Speaker 1: What caught back right pylon.
Speaker 15: De Marcus Robinson with the go ahead score. Matthew Stafford
Speaker 15: play like an Ellipsis Dodds after dots after.
Speaker 1: Dots down LA.
Speaker 2: That's, by the way, I said on Thursday that I
Speaker 2: see him all the time in the barbershop.
Speaker 3: I've actually never seen him in the barbershop.
Speaker 1: I found that statistically to be weird.
Speaker 2: I see him out and about and we stay in touch,
Speaker 2: and then we we've hung out in a park before
Speaker 2: with our families, but we go to the same barber
Speaker 2: So a little correction there by the insider. And that
Speaker 2: is the type of things. Some insiders brush things under
Speaker 2: the rug. Some people own their errors.
Speaker 1: JB.
Speaker 2: Long with that call, and it is interesting. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: again it's in a losing effort. But Stafford's pocket movement
Speaker 2: there is such a great year. This is like a
Speaker 2: I can see why Sean McVay is having fun.
Speaker 4: And they are very much alive, obviously, and they have Washington,
Speaker 4: the Saints, the Giants, three arguably broken teams, and then
Speaker 4: the Niners to close out the season.
Speaker 5: So I know this is a crusher, this is a
Speaker 5: total would have taken it to a different level, like
Speaker 5: a level where like, ooh, we're a fun story. You
Speaker 5: might get to the seventh seed of like we just
Speaker 5: beat maybe the best team in the NFL on the
Speaker 5: road straight up, because for most of this game, Lamar
Speaker 5: looked a little out of rhythm.
Speaker 6: It was just him making plays.
Speaker 5: Like the Rams I thought were a little more consistent
Speaker 5: through throughout the game, their defense was playing well, and
Speaker 5: then for it to end the way it did with
Speaker 5: McVeigh just having the same issues that he always have.
Speaker 5: So that you mentioned they had the ball on the
Speaker 5: thirty with plenty of time left, still.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the play calling or just the vibe
Speaker 2: and energy of that drive from that point on.
Speaker 6: I totally agree.
Speaker 5: And part of it was they ran out of time
Speaker 5: at one point, had to use a time out late,
Speaker 5: they took a delay of game, and then in overtime
Speaker 5: they get the ball back they have I believe it
Speaker 5: was a second and four on their first drive of
Speaker 5: overtime on the thirty one and they take another delay
Speaker 5: a game and this is the history of the Sean
Speaker 5: McVay rams and some rams like how do you know
Speaker 5: is mcveaie's fault?
Speaker 6: Like what about Stafford? It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's been happening more than any to them, more than
Speaker 5: any other team since the moment they got there. So
Speaker 5: it's just like this one little bugaboo, the game management
Speaker 5: stuff and the like taking a while to get the
Speaker 5: play and and it killed them the next play that
Speaker 5: their tight end dropped a pass too that maybe wouldn't
Speaker 5: have gone for a first down.
Speaker 6: And then the next play is.
Speaker 4: Are they like I've mis seeing someone on their staff.
Speaker 4: You think that would be like, don't do this right now?
Speaker 4: Do this instead?
Speaker 6: No, I think it's just McVeigh gets caught up in
Speaker 6: the moment. That's what happened. They had to burn a
Speaker 6: time out.
Speaker 5: He got caught up in the moment on the on
Speaker 5: a play before uh and then like the play call
Speaker 5: doesn't come in in time.
Speaker 2: Maybe they think maybe they should hire a guy that's
Speaker 2: great at close situations, late timing and knows how to
Speaker 2: pick guys for special teams, like maybe if you get out, yeah,
Speaker 2: see two birds, one stone, right, There's got to be
Speaker 2: somebody out there.
Speaker 1: Monster dot Com could find that person.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Cooper cup by the way eight for
Speaker 2: one fifteen in a touchdown.
Speaker 3: He had been under fifty yards receiving in six straight games.
Speaker 5: And he was awesome. A lot of the yards were
Speaker 5: after the catch. Puko is awesome. Nikua is just like.
Speaker 6: Kyron Williams was awesome. They almost they went away from
Speaker 6: the run to it.
Speaker 1: They start almost fainted just right.
Speaker 4: What No, I just like trying to watch all these games,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I saw the one catching made. I'm just
Speaker 4: like this guy like has doesn't have a bad game.
Speaker 4: He doesn't disappear, he doesn't.
Speaker 5: They they ran about seven or eight straight times to
Speaker 5: start the game to get inside of ten, and then
Speaker 5: they got a little pass happy after that one injury
Speaker 5: to watch Kyle Hamilton, to me, who is the most
Speaker 5: important player on the Ravens defense? Maybe except rokwand Smith,
Speaker 5: but it's the two of them. He left with the
Speaker 5: knee injury, and just the the way Harbaugh talked about
Speaker 5: the MRI to come, that's something to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh, we got to get like a fainting chair the
Speaker 2: next time we do a RAMS game, Mark had the vapors.
Speaker 4: There for so I mean I would say typically I
Speaker 4: survived RAMS recaps with without many issues.
Speaker 1: But showed up. Ah, that's one talented That is how
Speaker 1: I actually speak.
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep moving. Let's head to San Francisco
Speaker 2: where the Niner are just inevitable.
Speaker 13: Stirred down at eleven here and he sent Deebo inside
Speaker 13: of branded a Yuk right Kittle inside of Juwan jennings
Speaker 13: Laft McCaffrey goes in motion that bumper motion upright blitz
Speaker 13: from Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1: They pick it up.
Speaker 6: You've got Rock Perty's going downfield for Tabo, sad friend Cisco.
Speaker 1: Mind what an MVP race we got now about that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's between Lamar and Purdy and we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about Sunday night football to combatants in the mix there.
Speaker 1: It's really starting to heat up here.
Speaker 2: Great call Greg Papa as always, and Rock Purdy was
Speaker 2: in his bag once more with a career high three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight yards passing Deebo. Samuel, who's as
Speaker 2: productive as any player in football right now, scored two
Speaker 2: more touchdowns, including that long TD strike.
Speaker 3: Kittle had a long touchdown catch.
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey quietly goes over one hundred and forty five
Speaker 2: yards rushing, and the Niners win twenty eight to sixteen
Speaker 2: over the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Mark, you watch this game closely.
Speaker 2: Not even a perfect outing by the Niners, but they're
Speaker 2: so good that they don't.
Speaker 1: Have to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of won it in a a typical
Speaker 4: fashion for some of these Shanahan outings on offense, because
Speaker 4: it seems absurd to suggest they didn't have like an
Speaker 4: excellent clean outing on the day. They had five hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty seven yards. Oh stop, okay in twenty eight points,
Speaker 4: So there's.
Speaker 6: But that's good.
Speaker 1: That's eight plays.
Speaker 4: Of twenty five plus yards that they ate up two
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty total. And it's like something about all
Speaker 4: of them right now are operating at like a level
Speaker 4: beyond human, like they were all in sync. It's like
Speaker 4: I think at other parts in the season you kind
Speaker 4: of had Debo was hurt for a bit, you'd have
Speaker 4: guys disappear for a little bit, like George Kittle. They're
Speaker 4: all right now on fire. I mean the throw to
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel. Chris McCaffrey opens the game with a seventy
Speaker 4: two yard run that sets up a touchdown. Brandon you
Speaker 4: is catching a forty five yard bomb, George Kittle out
Speaker 4: of forty four yard catch off a laser.
Speaker 1: I mean, Perty is making.
Speaker 4: These throws and he's making them beautifully, and there're some
Speaker 4: incredible stuff happening. But they were able early on in
Speaker 4: the game. They came out with the touchdown triggered by
Speaker 4: that McCaffrey long run. Then it was a punt, another punt,
Speaker 4: brock Purty at an interception, and it was like Seattle
Speaker 4: was hanging around and you were like getting maybe not
Speaker 4: the best version of the Niner.
Speaker 3: Trew Lock, not Gino, who is inactive in this game.
Speaker 4: Absolutely Gino sitting from the sideline, and Locke wasn't like
Speaker 4: a huge problem early. He threw two interceptions in the
Speaker 4: final fourteen minutes or something, But the Niners worked their
Speaker 4: way out of it, not with you know, a fourteen
Speaker 4: play type drive, but this time around like three four
Speaker 4: five play drives capped by massive explosive plays. So I
Speaker 4: don't know, it just showed me another way they can
Speaker 4: handle their business. And it's like, this is the one.
Speaker 5: Team that is just blowing people away, right if the
Speaker 5: closest thing we can find a problem of their disjointed
Speaker 5: offense is like, well, they're only good at other than that,
Speaker 5: you're not great except for the eight twenty five yard plays.
Speaker 5: It's just like a crazy amount of explosive.
Speaker 4: There's no way to describe it without sounding absurd excective.
Speaker 4: I think you go watch it from wire to wire
Speaker 4: on was.
Speaker 1: A little rough.
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: What I mean by that is like, even on days
Speaker 5: where you do some good things defensively, they're gonna hit
Speaker 5: you for those explosives. And this matchup is just it
Speaker 5: actually used to favor the Seahawks early in the Shanahan
Speaker 5: era before Rock Purty showed up, and even a little
Speaker 5: bit I think three years ago, but now it's one
Speaker 5: way traffic. The forty nine Ers have absolutely destroyed them
Speaker 5: five straight times the last two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Seahawks are obviously going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Seattles lost four straight games so the first time in
Speaker 2: fourteen years under Pete Carroll they've lost five and rod.
Speaker 1: To the Niners.
Speaker 2: And DK Metcalf gets running this game for you know,
Speaker 2: a fight.
Speaker 1: Later in the game, he starts.
Speaker 2: Out Buddy slams someone yeah, red hot with a touchdown
Speaker 2: that got him ahead early. And then you know, again
Speaker 2: like you're talking about the Kansas City that frustration especially,
Speaker 2: you know, you get into mid December some these teams
Speaker 2: where things aren't going the way they were expecting and
Speaker 2: it boils over and you so metcal Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's you know, that's been part and parcel with
Speaker 4: the Metcalf experience. But I would imagine, like Dan, if
Speaker 4: I body slammed you at our workplace, there'd be cameras
Speaker 4: somewhere to catch it. But on an NFL field it
Speaker 4: would be NFL field, though it's like you're not getting
Speaker 4: away like this.
Speaker 6: See that.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see the attempt even on that. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 2: like you know, maybe if he's high on speed or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything else from this game, Mark not really.
Speaker 4: I will say there was this incredible Mitch Wasnowski. It
Speaker 4: wasn't set up to be a fake punt. I don't
Speaker 4: believe in terms of like the play call because it
Speaker 4: seemed to kind of surprise other Niners.
Speaker 1: But he just saw an open field.
Speaker 4: They were up fourteen to ten at the point in
Speaker 4: the third quarter, and he bolted for thirty yards but it.
Speaker 1: Was taken away by a penalty.
Speaker 4: But I wish it had stayed it was would have
Speaker 4: been another big explosive play for them.
Speaker 5: Just for listeners that are yeah, it was a cool play.
Speaker 5: That's fine. He just he did it on his own, though.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we got in the show. Otherwise it was
Speaker 5: never going to be lost in the.
Speaker 1: Sands of time, yes, and the dustpin of history.
Speaker 2: It would have gone if you were someone like that,
Speaker 2: you know, listen to our preview show and certainly the
Speaker 2: Thursday riec I mean you might be be like, why
Speaker 2: was Gino Smith not playing in this game? He was
Speaker 2: completely healthy and he heard his growing during practice. I
Speaker 2: want to find out what happened during practice there on
Speaker 2: Thursday and did not play, and that obviously that could
Speaker 2: change their season a little bit if that turned out,
Speaker 2: I mean long term injury.
Speaker 1: If Greg is surprised by something that happened to Gino
Speaker 1: Smith's growing, you know, he's digging in, he's going to
Speaker 1: find out, he's on the beat, He'll find out.
Speaker 2: Great party quote here, by the way, that shows both
Speaker 2: a level of awareness and also a reminder of what's
Speaker 2: going on here. This is from the ap righte up
Speaker 2: of the game. I'm part of a special group. Any
Speaker 2: of our guys, any one of our guys, any one
Speaker 2: of our eligibles, you get the ball in their hands
Speaker 2: and then they do the rest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, McCaffrey one hundred and fifty three yards even he's
Speaker 5: an MVP candidate, mccaffe free.
Speaker 1: Potentially, they are an incredible team.
Speaker 2: It's just uh, let's see if they can you. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: he's like the fifth I you mentioned of this game,
Speaker 2: and he went for one to twenty six.
Speaker 1: Well, they're box scor is insane. Yeah, every week I
Speaker 1: had Warner too. It's just crazy.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 4: He did suffer some injuries in the secondary. But we
Speaker 4: can discuss.
Speaker 3: Well, that could have been your last point.
Speaker 1: Shavarius Ward went down. Uh is this a redo with
Speaker 1: the last point?
Speaker 3: Do we should we take.
Speaker 6: The last point?
Speaker 1: Drake Greenlaw went down. That could be an actually tag
Speaker 1: on to my.
Speaker 5: St and you started your previous last pay by saying no.
Speaker 6: But then you made that other point.
Speaker 4: That I won't say a single other word though, done
Speaker 4: anything else, nothing else. Once we leave, we can't come
Speaker 4: back nothing else from me on this about this.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Cleveland. Haws that go Margie, Are you
Speaker 1: like that intriguing? It was quite a day, big Mannish
Speaker 1: playing with the football.
Speaker 10: On the t Here we go for the on side,
Speaker 10: can't He dumps the ball on the right side.
Speaker 6: The Browns are on it. They got it.
Speaker 1: They got it on the right side. They recover the ball.
Speaker 10: It's getting it is James Prochet and the Browns can
Speaker 10: get into victory formation with a minute thirty.
Speaker 6: Two and what a long afternoon? This has bad?
Speaker 3: Wait, this is out, Jim.
Speaker 6: This was smooth sailing the whole the Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Browns and on sidekick recovery.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the game rare. You can change it,
Speaker 6: change things up.
Speaker 3: It's good, all right. They flagged that for.
Speaker 1: Me next time. Eric, all right, I thought it was.
Speaker 2: As it talks about how it is an on sidekick recovery,
Speaker 2: it's sealed.
Speaker 1: To the game by the team that was being kicked to.
Speaker 1: It's sealed the victory factually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave David Joku scores two touchdowns in this game.
Speaker 2: We can get that Joe Flacco playing out of his mind.
Speaker 2: He can't get the highlight. Brown's thirty one twenty seven
Speaker 2: over the Jags. Come on, ar give one of those
Speaker 2: guys systog. Yeah Flacco, not a Fluco.
Speaker 1: Not a Fluco.
Speaker 2: To serve the highlight, He's thrown for five sixty five
Speaker 2: and five touchdowns and two starts Bleveland.
Speaker 1: It has to be the hope in an unlikely place
Speaker 1: this holiday season.
Speaker 4: It has to be one of the more like improbable
Speaker 4: quarterback because of who it is, and because of what
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco did to the Browns for so long, and
Speaker 4: because of how he didn't get a call to work
Speaker 4: with any other team this entire year until everything burned
Speaker 4: down in Cleveland. And to assume that we'd get the
Speaker 4: guy that we even saw last time, who couldn't move,
Speaker 4: who seemed out of sorts, who was just like a
Speaker 4: shell of the former Joe Flacco, And like I am
Speaker 4: saying today, i'm watching him through I don't really remember
Speaker 4: a Brown's quarterbacking performance in recent years like this at all.
Speaker 4: It's like they really just found this version of Joe
Speaker 4: Flacco that suddenly this was their most complete win.
Speaker 1: This was a weird game.
Speaker 4: It had thirty four possessions, There were fifty passes in
Speaker 4: the first half. The Viking game was like we were
Speaker 4: a quarter into the Vikings game in the late window
Speaker 4: and the Browns game was still going on. They got
Speaker 4: just enough from everyone, but you did get a star
Speaker 4: turn from David d Djoku And I know has been
Speaker 4: your guy.
Speaker 1: He's been. He was frustrating last week. He was frustrating
Speaker 1: last week.
Speaker 4: But today, honestly, I think he showed what he is
Speaker 4: when he's successful, is like a powerful steam engine who
Speaker 4: like stiff arms someone and just rolled into the end
Speaker 4: zone on a huge touchdown.
Speaker 1: He's very physically talented. He really is.
Speaker 4: Their defense, which has been like hot and cold. I
Speaker 4: think of late that the Rams put it on him,
Speaker 4: but when they're at home, they're a different unit. And
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, who looked pretty healthy to me, like I
Speaker 4: was thinking what version I ran it? He moved around,
Speaker 4: He ran a bunch. He was harassed from wire to
Speaker 4: wire until the very end when they did start to
Speaker 4: come back and move the ball a bunch.
Speaker 1: And that's why I do.
Speaker 4: Think, and I know I'm not gonna get you to
Speaker 4: agree this, but like that, I really, for some reason
Speaker 4: thought like another Browns team because their record to me
Speaker 4: doesn't quite match up with who they are.
Speaker 1: I can't really figure out how the five.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, and it feels like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: been up and down, but like they they really never
Speaker 4: really relented, and I see a secondary that plays total confidence.
Speaker 4: They picked them off a bunch. They sacked them a bunch.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even like the biggest game from Miles Garrett
Speaker 4: on the planet. They have a bunch of injuries. They
Speaker 4: Grant Delpit, who they signed to an extension, got hurt.
Speaker 4: You know that that feels very brownsish, But they took
Speaker 4: her a business against a Jaguars team that should win
Speaker 4: their division.
Speaker 2: How many possessions did he say, we're in this game
Speaker 2: thirty four.
Speaker 1: That's got three hours and forty eight minutes of football.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I went what it's crazy?
Speaker 5: I went big on like the whole Chiefs played well
Speaker 5: last week per possession offensively, they only love it. They
Speaker 5: only got seven Like per possession they were, you know,
Speaker 5: one of the best offenses.
Speaker 6: Of the of the week.
Speaker 5: This game, these two offenses played like two complete games
Speaker 5: compared to that Packers Chiefs game. For instance, they played
Speaker 5: two games worth of possessions to get to this number.
Speaker 5: So I guess that informs the Flacco numbers. But I
Speaker 5: don't care that some of the stats are just crazy.
Speaker 5: He's the first Browns quarterback since Brian Sipe in nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty to throw three touchdowns of over thirty yards in
Speaker 5: the same game.
Speaker 6: That makes me feel special.
Speaker 5: You know how they always have that Brown's T shirt
Speaker 5: where it would be all the quit. Now they're gonna
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to start a new jersey. It's Brown's
Speaker 5: quarterbacks under Kevin Stefanski that have outplayed Deshaun Watson. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's getting long. We got Baker in twenty twenty, we
Speaker 5: got Flacco this year, we got Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 6: For all of last year, we've.
Speaker 5: Held let's throw in the case Keenum couple starts where
Speaker 5: he won, Like.
Speaker 6: It's getting long. It's insane. That's the fans.
Speaker 5: He keeps taking these guys and at least for stretches
Speaker 5: like gets them playing at a very high.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he deserves some credit and it should
Speaker 4: be no surprise. But like you know, they they announced
Speaker 4: that Flacco obviously would be the start of the rest
Speaker 4: of the way.
Speaker 1: They kept doing this thing with whoever was going to
Speaker 1: be their starter.
Speaker 4: Flacco spent last week on the practice squad Like if
Speaker 4: I'm not like I believe I'm correct with this. Like
Speaker 4: another the Jets could have come snatched Flacco off a
Speaker 4: practice squad and made them their starter.
Speaker 1: Like it just seemed like a bit of a hazardous.
Speaker 6: I believe at that point, yeah, they could have.
Speaker 1: Is that concern me that would be a strategy that
Speaker 1: we'd employed at this point.
Speaker 5: I think that happened with John Wolford earlier this season.
Speaker 5: I believe in the Bucks decided to match it. But
Speaker 5: that is crazy that they they they aren't going to
Speaker 5: do the week to week thing anymore.
Speaker 1: No, he is. He's embedded now.
Speaker 5: But it's tough luck for DTR, who actually was playing
Speaker 5: okay and then he did lose it to injury.
Speaker 4: DTR came in and had like a very critical, like
Speaker 4: chain moving run where they then they had Flacco jogg
Speaker 4: bat out so they don't go not expecting Flacco to
Speaker 4: run around the field too much.
Speaker 6: And you look pretty good.
Speaker 5: Any concerns here about the Jags, who now I've given
Speaker 5: up twenty seven points or thirty one points to Flacco,
Speaker 5: whatever they gave up last week to Jake Browning. You know,
Speaker 5: they lucked out with the rest of the division results today,
Speaker 5: But this defense doesn't looks.
Speaker 2: As I mean, they got in the last six days,
Speaker 2: they got beat by the Cincinnati backup and then like
Speaker 2: the third quarterback on the depth Charter fourth for the Browns.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, when they are not hosting
Speaker 2: playoff games or you know they're in a perilous situation
Speaker 2: come January, it's because they stumbled at this portion of
Speaker 2: the schedules. You know, in credit to Trevor Lawrence for
Speaker 2: you know, competing in this game and from what I saw,
Speaker 2: was moving well. And finally, the Evan Ingram connection is
Speaker 2: bearing fruit. He had eleven catches for ninety five and
Speaker 2: two touchdowns in this game. But you know, Flamreeau gives
Speaker 2: them a little the Browns instead of like being like
Speaker 2: what a shame that they don't have any chance because
Speaker 2: they have these bad qbs and this defense.
Speaker 1: That's being asked to do so much. Now the offense
Speaker 1: has a little life to it.
Speaker 6: It's a fun story.
Speaker 2: Do you could block for Flacco? He shown at thirty
Speaker 2: eight years old he can move an offense. They looked,
Speaker 2: they looked different. This is one of the first complete
Speaker 2: games in a while.
Speaker 5: Mark's back. I mean, he said, well, I would say
Speaker 5: this like we in there. I missed that you were
Speaker 5: there for the Wii. He said something about we, like
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I hate having to clarify this because then I get
Speaker 4: a bunch of tweets from people it's like, why did
Speaker 4: you change your stance on the Browns? Like I completely
Speaker 4: disagree with the Browns signing Deshaun Watson on any level.
Speaker 4: He's not in our lives right now, and from a
Speaker 4: just a watching football that's enjoyable or teams that are
Speaker 4: weird in a really strange season, like Flacco being the
Speaker 4: Browns quarterback, like at this point is one of.
Speaker 1: The weirder sports stories of this Year's enough.
Speaker 5: To be clear, I love it you were. You were
Speaker 5: enjoying this game as a fan, and that's great.
Speaker 4: I was apparently I picked the wrong like I didn't like.
Speaker 4: What I enjoyed was not do we have another highlight?
Speaker 1: Is there anything we could do? This is eating me?
Speaker 6: You know the call.
Speaker 5: The call was pretty good because it talked about what
Speaker 5: a long day it was. It was a nice little summer.
Speaker 2: That's like he captured because they were calculating they almost
Speaker 2: blew that game, and he's like the other ways you
Speaker 2: got to go back to like you know, the early
Speaker 2: fourth or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're all wrong. I'm right post it note on
Speaker 1: the computer show the joke on your on your fantas.
Speaker 1: He's not. But I'm a big.
Speaker 6: Fan of you could have gotten to David Bell touchdown
Speaker 6: in the fourth.
Speaker 1: Gotta give Flacco the highlight. Well here's my thing. How
Speaker 1: about next week when he does it again?
Speaker 2: Ooh it spoken like I like it? All right, let's
Speaker 2: take a break.
Speaker 1: I'm going to recover from that recovery and we will
Speaker 1: roll on with our stop.
Speaker 3: Yes, Nick Schulke, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's time now for the Sunday Drive presented by the
Speaker 2: first ever Toyota Highlander and uh let's head to Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: where the Bengals said, we are relevant.
Speaker 12: Second down in goal, inches away, the Bengals already up
Speaker 12: by seven. Now Browning moves under center. He has Mixing
Speaker 12: five yards behind him. Browning will try to sneak it in.
Speaker 12: Mix In shot him in the back into.
Speaker 6: The end zone.
Speaker 12: Touchdown Bengals and Cincinnati has a.
Speaker 3: Two TD lead. Dan Horde wk why with the call.
Speaker 16: Jake Browning as that dog existing within him, The twenty
Speaker 16: seven year old played like a star for the second
Speaker 16: time in six days, throwing two touchdown passes, rushing for
Speaker 16: another score in the Bengals beat.
Speaker 3: Up on the Colts thirty four to fourteen.
Speaker 2: Let's now welcome in a man who could beat up
Speaker 2: on a lot of people if he chose to. But
Speaker 2: he's not a man of violence. He doesn't throw hands, Mark,
Speaker 2: but he will if he must.
Speaker 4: If he needed to, But he doesn't. It's not out
Speaker 4: of pocket that he just could do that left and right.
Speaker 2: That's a special kind of power. I won't beat you,
Speaker 2: but just know that I can. Nick Shook the pipe,
Speaker 2: Welcome aboard, buddy.
Speaker 17: With great power comes great responsibility, and I exercise plenty
Speaker 17: of responsibility in conflict situations.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: What's going on in those Cleveland you know, those those
Speaker 2: clubs and bars. I'm sure sometimes they see a guy
Speaker 2: like Shook, you know, six foot eight, two seventy five,
Speaker 2: carved out of the side of a mountain, and they say,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna show what.
Speaker 1: A man I am. Yeah, I'm going to use him
Speaker 1: to lift myself up. That has ever happened to you?
Speaker 17: Dix A two seventy five reads like an overblown college
Speaker 17: bio let's do let's do six four sixty three and
Speaker 17: flirting with sixty four two thirty two thirty five.
Speaker 1: Let's go with that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm very concerned of late about like child gangs,
Speaker 4: which is a prevalent radar. He could, I like shook
Speaker 4: just because he could take out an entire child gang
Speaker 4: and they deserve it that if they can business child is.
Speaker 14: This like child gangs?
Speaker 17: Like pickpockets like you're worried about, you know, a group
Speaker 17: of cockeye pickpockets coming inround.
Speaker 4: It's like the violence ranges and the what their quest
Speaker 4: is ranges, but they're criminal in nature.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. Uh Browning again looking good?
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, real good. Uh that that was not a
Speaker 1: fluke on Monday night much too?
Speaker 14: Uh, you know, the we all thought it was probably
Speaker 14: gonna be a fluke.
Speaker 17: And then he comes out and executes the offense efficiently
Speaker 17: once again, Zach Taylor doing a great job coaching up.
Speaker 17: You know, a nice little mix of screens, the running
Speaker 17: games going, everything's balanced out and allowing Browning to just
Speaker 17: do what he's asked to do. And then he mixed
Speaker 17: in the big plays. Started the second half with a
Speaker 17: few deep passes, He had a beauty down the sideline
Speaker 17: to t Higgins.
Speaker 14: Everything was just cooking.
Speaker 17: On this offensive side of the ball for the Bengals,
Speaker 17: who you know, this is a team that we thought
Speaker 17: they were headed toward a dark winter once they lost
Speaker 17: Joe Burrow, and now suddenly they got belief, legitimate belief
Speaker 17: and hope that they just might make the playoffs, to
Speaker 17: the point where you might not even want to be
Speaker 17: somebody who faces them because they still have a championship
Speaker 17: roster outside of quarterback, and their quarterbacks doing his job
Speaker 17: quite well.
Speaker 14: The win over the.
Speaker 17: Colts today, like this is a cold scene that we
Speaker 17: know has probably overachieved to get to this point, considering
Speaker 17: they've had Gardner Minshew a quarterback, you know, for the
Speaker 17: most of the season. But the win today felt emphatic
Speaker 17: for the Bengals and the fact that they blew a
Speaker 17: fourteen nothing lead rather quickly just before the half, and
Speaker 17: instead of you know, accepting that, hey, we have a
Speaker 17: backup quarterback here, they came out firing and before you
Speaker 17: knew it, it's twenty eight fourteen Bengals in the lead
Speaker 17: and then eventually in control of a game that they
Speaker 17: just look.
Speaker 14: Like the better team.
Speaker 4: I think one of the great things is like they
Speaker 4: didn't have to go change their offense to tailored around
Speaker 4: you know, Browning's like limitations. It's like this looks like
Speaker 4: a Joe Burrow offense, and it's like there's a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff happening. I'm not calling him Joe Burrow on
Speaker 4: any level, but like you're the QB index guy, Like,
Speaker 4: where would you put him right now?
Speaker 1: Like what do you do with someone like that?
Speaker 17: Well, we're facing a little bit of a battle of
Speaker 17: Ohio right now between backup quarterbacks because Joe Flacco and
Speaker 17: Jake Brownie are both playing relatively out of their minds
Speaker 17: considering what we expect if backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 17: Flacco, you know, being a former starter, probably has a
Speaker 17: higher level of expectation, but.
Speaker 14: He is thirty eight years old.
Speaker 17: So Browning and Flacco are both at the top of
Speaker 17: the backups group, and they're actually out performing some starters
Speaker 17: in the league right now, and a handful of those guys.
Speaker 14: It's going to be an interesting week for QB Index.
Speaker 17: A lot of movement, a lot of performances that we
Speaker 17: probably didn't expect. But I'm excited to kind of dig
Speaker 17: in on that and Browning. You know, you don't want
Speaker 17: to put too much stock in a win on the
Speaker 17: road over the Jaguars on prime time, But now that
Speaker 17: we've seen him do it a couple times in a row,
Speaker 17: now you got to take him seriously from here on out.
Speaker 17: This is not just a one game, fly by night
Speaker 17: type of thing. And now I'm really in to see
Speaker 17: if he can do this for the last four weeks
Speaker 17: of the season the Bengals gonna get in the playoffs,
Speaker 17: is Jake brown At gonna be the guy it's worth watching.
Speaker 2: They're one of the six seven and six teams right now,
Speaker 2: and now they have a tiebreaker over the Colts, they
Speaker 2: have a tiebreaker over the Bills. You know, it really
Speaker 2: is a credit to Zach Taylor and that staff and
Speaker 2: the fact that when the game got tight again and
Speaker 2: maybe we saw it against the Jaguars as well, like
Speaker 2: they trust Browning, and like what you're saying, they were
Speaker 2: attacking with a backup quarterback. Where you see coaches all
Speaker 2: the time when they have a quarterback they don't trust,
Speaker 2: or a backup quarterback they you know, they throw out
Speaker 2: half the playbook and you end up with a very
Speaker 2: stilted offense.
Speaker 3: But apparently that's not the case here.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 17: I mean two hundred and seventy five passing yards on
Speaker 17: eighteen completions. He only had to throw the ball twenty
Speaker 17: four times, and yet it felt like they really controlled
Speaker 17: this game.
Speaker 14: He's just completely in rhythm. He looks comfortable.
Speaker 17: And I don't know if this is a microcosm of
Speaker 17: the way Zach Taylor coaches his offenses, because what he
Speaker 17: looked like to me, even going back a few weeks
Speaker 17: ago when they played Pittsburgh and right after the Ravens
Speaker 17: loss when they play Pittsburgh, I thought, man, he looks
Speaker 17: a lot like Joe Burrow did way back in week
Speaker 17: two of Burrow's rookie season when they played in Cleveland
Speaker 17: in prime time. And I'm sitting there thinking, man, this
Speaker 17: kid's got no experience, yet he looks really calm and confident.
Speaker 14: That's kind of what brown does.
Speaker 17: Obviously he doesn't have the same physical tools that Joe
Speaker 17: Burrow does, but you know, it's a beautiful partnership between
Speaker 17: coach and quarterback right now, and Browning is just playing
Speaker 17: as somebody who knows he doesn't have to be the hero,
Speaker 17: probably isn't capable of being the hero and is totally
Speaker 17: fine with that. He's just gonna take what is given
Speaker 17: or is what is asked of him, and it's working
Speaker 17: really well right now.
Speaker 5: They're also getting contributions in a way they just weren't
Speaker 5: with Burrow. For the most part, they run for over
Speaker 5: one hundred yard Chase Brown literally wasn't on the field
Speaker 5: ever with Burrow, and he has a second straight big game.
Speaker 5: He goes for over one hundred yards from the scrimmage.
Speaker 5: And then their defense, which has been a sieve for
Speaker 5: most of the season, has its best day of the
Speaker 5: year in terms of yards allowed. They only give up
Speaker 5: fourteen points. They get involved in turnovers too, So it
Speaker 5: does feel like the Higgins has a couple of downfield plays,
Speaker 5: as you mentioned like, it does feel like the rest
Speaker 5: of the team is showing a little bit more of
Speaker 5: what we expected coming into the year around their quarterback,
Speaker 5: and that does make them dangerous. Although these two teams
Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't know, I feel like they
Speaker 5: might be on if I had the guests that they
Speaker 5: both be on the outside looking in once we get
Speaker 5: to Yeah, I agree, but we'll.
Speaker 3: Agree Cincinnati winless in their division.
Speaker 2: Still, that's really hurt them, so they're in a bad
Speaker 2: tiebreaker spot, so they got to keep winning.
Speaker 1: Anything about the cults that you wanted to throw in.
Speaker 14: There too many mistakes, too many penalties.
Speaker 17: They had a season high penalties with nine today accepted
Speaker 17: for sixty six yards a bad interception. Garder Mishue just
Speaker 17: under pressure a lot throughout the day. Bernd Ryman, the
Speaker 17: left tackle, got dominated by Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 14: The matchup numbers are bad when it comes to pressures.
Speaker 14: I don't even want to read them.
Speaker 3: They're that bad.
Speaker 17: It's a team that I think they've already hit their ceiling,
Speaker 17: and if they can continue to play at that level,
Speaker 17: they'll make it interesting through the rest of the year.
Speaker 17: But games like today are going to happen because again,
Speaker 17: you do not have your star, future franchise quarterback on
Speaker 17: the field right now, and there's only so much you
Speaker 17: can do when you're running games not going and you're
Speaker 17: trying to dig yourself out of a hole.
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Speaker 6: Freeze zero Minnesota.
Speaker 1: With let's keep it in the middle.
Speaker 6: The thirty four.
Speaker 18: Yard line and the Las Vegas Raiders Pop gone bust
Speaker 18: against the.
Speaker 10: Minnesota Vikings thanks.
Speaker 18: To Space Junior, and I've been with this first National
Speaker 18: Football League interception.
Speaker 6: Has knocked out the Raiders.
Speaker 18: And the Minnesota Vikings are gonna win three zero.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: You just don't even try to score on them because
Speaker 2: they're not gonna give you anything.
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 2: And all they needed was a field goal. So they say,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna get crazy. We're the team of ATN.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna over exert. We'll just kick a field
Speaker 2: goal in the final minute, in two minutes and we'll
Speaker 2: win three nothing. And that's what they did, beating the
Speaker 2: Raiders to improve to seven and six. And it is
Speaker 2: here's some data points.
Speaker 3: Let's give Dick Banks before.
Speaker 2: This is a very special mine. So yeah, there's reasons
Speaker 2: to be nervous about the Vikings as the team of
Speaker 2: ATN shooky because they're trending downward. Josh Dobbs after his
Speaker 2: Monday Night Nightmare against the Bears, comes back off a
Speaker 2: bye and is so abysmal that they pull him for
Speaker 2: Nick Mullins. In this game, who is the quarterback when
Speaker 2: they went on the field goal drive? Justin Jefferson finally
Speaker 2: comes back and then ends up in hospital during this
Speaker 2: game with a chest injury, so that certainly is concerning.
Speaker 2: But in the end they did find a way despite
Speaker 2: just two hundred and thirty total yards and those measly
Speaker 2: three points.
Speaker 17: Yeah, there was more juice in that theme song than
Speaker 17: there wasn't this game for either team.
Speaker 14: It was a tough watch.
Speaker 17: If you're a fan of defense, you might say, well,
Speaker 17: you know, this is a great game, but it was
Speaker 17: more product of bad offense than good defense. Now, the
Speaker 17: Raiders got after Josh Dobbs a ton. Josh Doabbs didn't
Speaker 17: help himself with the way that he sends pressure and
Speaker 17: kind of panicked. I totally understood why Kevin O'Connell went
Speaker 17: to Nick Mullens late. I was a little surprised, just
Speaker 17: because it was desperate. But again, it was a zero
Speaker 17: zero game in the last six minutes of the game,
Speaker 17: and you give credit to Nick Mullins because he converted
Speaker 17: a few third downs that Josh Dobbs probably wouldn't have converted,
Speaker 17: and that got them in field goal arranged to the
Speaker 17: only points of the game on the board. But the
Speaker 17: problem is is, like if this is the team of
Speaker 17: ATM right, like you just said, they're treading downward. I
Speaker 17: love the when the defense has played in parts. But
Speaker 17: my god, guys, they got a bad situation at quarterback.
Speaker 17: They're gonna go into the next week. We have to
Speaker 17: hear about it all week. Nick Mullins, Jaren Hall, Josh Dobbs,
Speaker 17: all of them are not great options. And it's a
Speaker 17: bummer to see the character arc of twenty twenty three
Speaker 17: for Josh Dobbs come to a crashing end. But we
Speaker 17: were trending this way for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 14: It needed to be made. And I think if they're
Speaker 14: playing anybody other than the Raiders, what Patriots, they probably
Speaker 14: lose this.
Speaker 5: All right, let's come down here, because first of all,
Speaker 5: the Raiders have played a lot with Aidan O'Connell. This
Speaker 5: is easily the best defensive performance anyone's had about had them.
Speaker 5: Their defense is very good, like it's been a top
Speaker 5: ten defense.
Speaker 6: Second of all, they lose Justin Jack Gregg.
Speaker 5: They lose Justin Jefferson to a chest injury right away.
Speaker 5: He had two catches early in this game. Both of
Speaker 5: those two plays were high level plays by Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 5: It's funny how quarterbacks look better when they have an
Speaker 5: exceptional wide receiver.
Speaker 6: They lose their right tackle.
Speaker 5: I think a team captain Brian O'Neill, a Pro Bowl
Speaker 5: caliber guy. They lose a starting guard, Dalton Reiser during
Speaker 5: the game, and they find a way to win. Nick
Speaker 5: Mullins the old Mulldog, throwing some lollipops over to the sideline,
Speaker 5: but in between zone covers. There were some pretty clutch
Speaker 5: throws and they get out of there for a victory
Speaker 5: and maybe Jefferson's injuries.
Speaker 6: Some lollipops we called feathered, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 5: They were just like You could see why Nick Moons
Speaker 5: has had the career he's had because he came in,
Speaker 5: he made great decisions.
Speaker 6: The game wasn't too big for him.
Speaker 5: You could also see the reason why he's had the
Speaker 5: creery is that because just the ball was just taken well,
Speaker 5: so there's you could use it. You move on to
Speaker 5: next week, you get Jefferson back. Well, they win beat
Speaker 5: some bad teams in the hospital, they said, they said,
Speaker 5: they don't think it's significant.
Speaker 6: He's on the plane coming. I think it's fair to.
Speaker 4: Say, like, depending on you know, I the beholder, that
Speaker 4: Nick is right. There is a trending down snare today.
Speaker 4: When your quarterback gets benched is a slight disaster? Was
Speaker 4: a disaster last week. We'll see what happens with the
Speaker 4: wide receiver. You've lost a bunch of offensive linemen. It's
Speaker 4: Laddison got hurt by the way in this game too.
Speaker 4: So he just scored three points in an NFL game.
Speaker 4: So I and and somehow won to the air up
Speaker 4: to the defense.
Speaker 5: No, you don't like to root for the team of
Speaker 5: ATL I'm just saying, is part of the package?
Speaker 6: Some crazy I.
Speaker 4: Don't I do like roots to them. I don't need
Speaker 4: to manufacture out of ten year on this one. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna wait and see mode with this team.
Speaker 1: How about this?
Speaker 3: If that doesn't do it for you, how about a
Speaker 3: lock a double lock.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's Rosian Zeuser Combo two and L.
Speaker 14: This is the soundtrack to my nightmares.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even ask.
Speaker 5: At first, I didn't like this whole thing that you
Speaker 5: were jumping on with the lines. But I gotta say
Speaker 5: you're doing a good job as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: There's more juice here than the Vikings now, and here's
Speaker 2: the spirit. Here's my spin on team of ATM because
Speaker 2: this is an emergency meeting because they Okay, they did win,
Speaker 2: but the juice is out of the bottle. So now
Speaker 2: we're at a low point and we see if they
Speaker 2: can somehow rediscover the magic. But we kind of picked
Speaker 2: them based on Dobbs being a funky guy to bring
Speaker 2: in their tenacity on defense justin Jefferson's eventual return, and
Speaker 2: all that stuff except.
Speaker 1: For the defense has disappeared.
Speaker 2: I guess the lesson, maybe Mark is when you because
Speaker 2: the Lions was such a natural pick last year and
Speaker 2: we got to go on the whole ride with them,
Speaker 2: but even that started out poorly. Jumping on a team
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season is a big, big
Speaker 2: risk because the NFL season, despite being only seventeen games long,
Speaker 2: has so many like peaks and valleys. Beware of joining
Speaker 2: a team during a peak. Maybe there's another peak to come,
Speaker 2: but right now we're kind of in a valley.
Speaker 1: Even though they won they're not out of it on
Speaker 1: any level.
Speaker 2: Obviously, they're two and two with us, by the way,
Speaker 2: as the team of atails.
Speaker 1: That's so that's that. I think the record speaks for itself.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, Joshua tell Us with the big forst Foma.
Speaker 5: We've talked about him all year. He got an NFL
Speaker 5: Plus thing that was the biggest play in the game
Speaker 5: because that was the only time either team was in
Speaker 5: the red zone. And then Ive and Pace Nick, an
Speaker 5: undrafted rookie who's been easily the best rookie linebacker in
Speaker 5: the NFL. I would put a maybe top five or
Speaker 5: six defensive rookie of the year period. One of our guys,
Speaker 5: Spice racks favorite players thirteen sack and then the game
Speaker 5: winning pick. So they're getting good production from these random
Speaker 5: guys that we didn't know much about going.
Speaker 1: Into the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 17: I was gonna give a little shout out to Mattellus.
Speaker 17: He's been my favorite guy to watching this defense all year.
Speaker 17: It's a group that you looked at them on paper
Speaker 17: coming in the season, You're like, I just don't see it.
Speaker 17: On the defensive side of the ball, a lot of
Speaker 17: people are playing better than we anticipated them. I'm a
Speaker 17: pace being one of them. DJ Wanham's been a guy
Speaker 17: that has shown up in a number of games this
Speaker 17: year that I've really enjoyed watching him play. So I
Speaker 17: totally give them credit on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 17: and they got after Aidan O'Connell.
Speaker 14: They shut that offense down. It's just that, like we
Speaker 14: just discussed, I.
Speaker 17: Don't know, man, it feels like paper clips and chewing
Speaker 17: gum and the last month is a separation season. I
Speaker 17: just don't know what the quarterback situation, how it's gonna go.
Speaker 17: But a good win for them, and then if we
Speaker 17: if we do pivot to the Raiders. Part of the
Speaker 17: reason that Brian O'Neil ended up leaving with an injury
Speaker 17: is because he was getting ran over by Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: All he was awesome today.
Speaker 17: That Raiders defense was stifling throughout the afternoon until the
Speaker 17: fourth quarter. It's almost like he just asked them to
Speaker 17: do too much since the offense was I feel bad
Speaker 17: for them, yeah, I know, but because in that situation
Speaker 17: they had to get a stop.
Speaker 14: They couldn't get a stop.
Speaker 17: Here's the big question with the Raiders that I present
Speaker 17: to you guys now is look you have a month left.
Speaker 17: You already declared Aiden O'Connell's your best quarterback, your best option.
Speaker 17: But yet we know that you know he's had some moments,
Speaker 17: but he's probably not your long term answer. You have
Speaker 17: an interim head coach? How do you proceed through this
Speaker 17: last month? You're five and seven? What is there left
Speaker 17: to figure out? When everybody could be.
Speaker 1: Gone five and eight?
Speaker 6: You're just you're just playing out the string. There's not
Speaker 6: much to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get a nice little window intrigue here.
Speaker 6: I think you.
Speaker 4: Just take a deeper look at Antonio Pierce, who like
Speaker 4: has a supposedly chance to be a head coach.
Speaker 5: There was a twenty five minute meeting after the game
Speaker 5: that held up Antonio Pierce's press conference because Mark Davis
Speaker 5: was talking to Pierce and just the odds he was
Speaker 5: facing an extreme uphill battle to keep that job. And
Speaker 5: I guess that's the only intrigue, as if they could
Speaker 5: keep this going and win a few more games.
Speaker 2: But that's it, Jack, All right, Uh shooky, you said
Speaker 2: it all, Thanks Bud.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Well, you.
Speaker 3: Didn't ask the question. I had one question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have guys picked fights with you to try to
Speaker 2: prove that there are men for their buddies for girls
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Has it happened yet?
Speaker 14: Yes, until I stand up from the table.
Speaker 17: They approached me and then they kind of oh, hell yeah,
Speaker 17: oh yeah, that's the pipe.
Speaker 1: Baby. You got my back, I got yours, buddy, all right.
Speaker 3: Thanks Nick?
Speaker 14: All right, guys.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: That's odd though, because like Nick's sitting down like at
Speaker 4: a booth with five other people. It's still really big,
Speaker 4: but like you wouldn't go pick him out of the Like,
Speaker 4: that's not how you be the guy walking around.
Speaker 1: It seems like, are you poking a hole of the story.
Speaker 1: I I just I have I have additional question. Literally,
Speaker 1: let's we're gonna ask him more. Okay, next week we'll do.
Speaker 2: Eric remind us that, okay, because by the time next
Speaker 2: Sunday and the time comes, it will literally feel like
Speaker 2: this conversation was seven years ago to the Soggy Metal
Speaker 2: Lands week go where Act was in the air gun
Speaker 2: for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 6: Hall to his left, There goes Gipson and motion.
Speaker 18: Wilson takes the snap, drops back, looks left, ros left,
Speaker 18: Paula in the inside.
Speaker 1: That's a jet touchdown. Police Hall walks in.
Speaker 6: Have a Jets answer hen't stretched the score to two leads.
Speaker 1: Again now, and I think we'd hear the song again
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Bob was choosing with the call Jets Radio. Like a
Speaker 2: phoenix rising from the ashes. Zach Wilson has returned the
Speaker 2: much beleaguered quarterback through for two second half touchdowns. He
Speaker 2: went over three hundred yards passing and his return from
Speaker 2: a bizarre two game benching, and the Jets beat down
Speaker 2: a Texans team that played like, you know, one of
Speaker 2: those dome teams that don't want anything to do with
Speaker 2: a rainy December afternoon in the Northeast. That's what the
Speaker 2: Texans looked like in this game. Thirty to six was
Speaker 2: the final, and it was the tale of two games,
Speaker 2: because boys, this one played out exactly like the game
Speaker 2: we just talked about for the first two quarters quarters
Speaker 2: these the Jets and Texans combined for eleven punts in
Speaker 2: a scoreless first half before New york erupts for three
Speaker 2: touchdowns and three field goals in the final two quarters.
Speaker 3: They scored thirty points in the final in the second half.
Speaker 2: The Jets so interesting Zach Wilson game because you see
Speaker 2: he made plays in the second half that you understand
Speaker 2: on some level why the Jets have been reticent to
Speaker 2: let go because they think they could there's one day
Speaker 2: someone unlocked in there now me and Connor Orr wrote
Speaker 2: something that I agreed with over on SI today. I
Speaker 2: think it more points out just how inconsistent Wilson is
Speaker 2: as a quarterback and that's never going to change, or
Speaker 2: at least not with the Jets. Maybe if you get
Speaker 2: him with a legitimate play caller elsewhere, he can develop
Speaker 2: in a different way. But this guy, and this was
Speaker 2: his third game of three hundred more yards, he has
Speaker 2: amazing tools and some of the moves he made with
Speaker 2: his feet finding a little open spaces and then slinging
Speaker 2: the ball no look passes. It was like the best
Speaker 2: version of Zach Wilson. And for a Jet team that
Speaker 2: had went into a very dark place, it was nice.
Speaker 2: It was a nice Sunday at the Metal.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like also, they kept cutting up to
Speaker 4: the booth where Nathaniel Hackett in the first half when
Speaker 4: things were bad, Like I thought, I saw a crack
Speaker 4: in the armor of like just a bit of concern
Speaker 4: where yeah, just like I mean, he knows that we're
Speaker 4: staring him on camera and things are going terribly. I
Speaker 4: mean just from like a human side, because I feel
Speaker 4: like Zach Wilson obviously has been yanked around so much.
Speaker 4: I love seeing it just for him because no matter what,
Speaker 4: if his career isnt in New York and this is
Speaker 4: a good thing for him to find out what they
Speaker 4: want to do with him at quarterback going forward.
Speaker 1: I think they can't maybe make the same mistake.
Speaker 4: That's a huge It's just a personal He can walk
Speaker 4: around New York City this week and not feel like
Speaker 4: he's letting the entire metropolis down.
Speaker 1: I like that. But c J.
Speaker 4: Stroud going out with to me, the biggest story of
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Texans. It was a total loss. It was
Speaker 2: all bad and the game is already well decided when
Speaker 2: Stroud gets hurt. He was knocked out of the game
Speaker 2: with a concussion. It was a pretty bad hit where
Speaker 2: he slammed the back of his helmet on the turf
Speaker 2: on a Quinn Williams hit Nico Collins, who were just
Speaker 2: talking up as this guy that like nobody's paying attention,
Speaker 2: but he has almost a thousand yards receiving. He lasted
Speaker 2: one possession before leaving with a calf injury. Linebacker play.
Speaker 2: Cashman went out to vary Thomas will Anderson, their first
Speaker 2: round pick also goes out in this game. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure the severity of his injury. So you had all
Speaker 2: these injury issues and an offense.
Speaker 6: That was just five starters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the midway through the third quarter before they
Speaker 2: had their one scoring drive, they had negative eleven passing
Speaker 2: yards that deep into the game. And you know, it
Speaker 2: was the type of performance from the Texans that yes,
Speaker 2: and I know you're high on the mark and I
Speaker 2: think when they have everybody on the same field when
Speaker 2: healthy and they're healthy, they.
Speaker 3: Can be dangerous.
Speaker 2: But I did not like, even before Stroud went out,
Speaker 2: just the vibe of the team did not feel like
Speaker 2: a team that's ready to play crucible games in December
Speaker 2: and January. Could be just a bad day at the office,
Speaker 2: but they were badly outplayed by a team that was
Speaker 2: like in tatters going into this game.
Speaker 5: Well, they're down their top three wide receivers, which now
Speaker 5: with Collins gone and including i'm receivers in general because
Speaker 5: Schultz has gone. So that's you have a rookie quarterback
Speaker 5: down three receivers, and then you lose three of your
Speaker 5: key defensive places too. Cashman and Thomas have been vital
Speaker 5: to them. Their offense really hasn't been hitting since that
Speaker 5: Bengals game that was kind of the high point of
Speaker 5: their season. I know they won the following week by
Speaker 5: the Cardinals, but they've had inconsistencies in each of the
Speaker 5: last three games against the Cards, Jackson Broncos. Their schedule
Speaker 5: stays favorable, but this was a major come down to
Speaker 5: earth game. They had a missed opportunity with Jacksonville. Who
Speaker 5: will talk, I mean, who lost that game against the
Speaker 5: Browns and they just need to get healthy. They need
Speaker 5: Strat out there next week. And it is a reminder
Speaker 5: like it's a long season. They've been right around to me,
Speaker 5: a five hundred team, what just with a little more
Speaker 5: excitement the rest you know, this season? Like they're plus
Speaker 5: eight now in terms of point differential for the season.
Speaker 5: I would caution though, because I saw some Texans Twitter stuff,
Speaker 5: It's like, is the season over all?
Speaker 6: This stuff?
Speaker 5: All these seven and six teams every time you lose,
Speaker 5: the season's not over. The odds are of all those
Speaker 5: seven and six teams a total of zero will go
Speaker 5: four and O. I mean, that's an overwhelming odds that
Speaker 5: none of them will run the table because you think
Speaker 5: of the first four weeks of the season, how many
Speaker 5: four and O teams did We have only great teams
Speaker 5: win four straight games. So if you're seven and six,
Speaker 5: you probably have one game to play with. If you
Speaker 5: finish ten and seven, you're more than likely, not definitely
Speaker 5: because of tibreaking, but more than likely. In the AFC,
Speaker 5: I think if you finish ten and seven, you're probably
Speaker 5: going to make the playoffs, and if you finished nine
Speaker 5: and eight, you're probably not gonna make them.
Speaker 4: I don't like, so you're engaging with with Texans fans
Speaker 4: who are like concerned about their mathematical chances when the
Speaker 4: entire AFC is within Like.
Speaker 5: I think it's more the way they lost, maybe the
Speaker 5: way they engage with them.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not engaging.
Speaker 1: It seems absurd to me.
Speaker 6: It's the reporters too, I see.
Speaker 5: Like, imagine if you were a Browns fan, you come
Speaker 5: into this game seven and five, you lose thirty to
Speaker 5: six to the Jets, and your quarterback goes out with
Speaker 5: the concussion of four others started, You're feeling like it's all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all that stuff feels real to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the fact that you're probably gonna get an
Speaker 4: AFC team that wins nine games and sneaks into the
Speaker 4: wild card, and they're sitting that they have seven. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they play the Titans twice, and who knows where the
Speaker 4: Colts will be at that point.
Speaker 2: I'm way to go last point on because circling back
Speaker 2: to Hackett in the second half, when things started going
Speaker 2: the other way and he called a good game, I
Speaker 2: have to say, for the first time, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: there was some misdirections, some trickeration. They were kind of
Speaker 2: he was actually having a nice day for once, and
Speaker 2: they showed him having like a release and a celebration.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, that's the good because we knew from
Speaker 2: Hard Knox he's a good guy. Right, he's just in
Speaker 2: over his head. And and and one point about Wilson
Speaker 2: playing in front of an offensive line that, again, by
Speaker 2: the way, was terrible. Kai Beckton had the worst game
Speaker 2: I've ever seen him have today. He was making these plays.
Speaker 2: At one point, he was seventeen of eighteen in the
Speaker 2: second half, So you know, he played really well and
Speaker 2: did show something.
Speaker 1: He's a curiosity. He remains. I don't want him to
Speaker 1: be my quarterback ever again after last four games.
Speaker 2: But you know what's fun, It's fun to see him
Speaker 2: when things are going well and just cutting loose. All right,
Speaker 2: let us move on, Hold on, d yes, second he
Speaker 2: is you wanted me to pull something from the Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you. I did not want to let you get
Speaker 2: past you. Because this can't go.
Speaker 1: This can't go without mentioning that someone did lock this
Speaker 1: game up, and it was one Nick Westling who was
Speaker 1: having a grand old chuckle during his prediction. Let's revisit that.
Speaker 2: Hidding me?
Speaker 19: This team's an absolute show. How can they even be
Speaker 19: get considered an NFL franchise right now?
Speaker 1: This is a joke.
Speaker 19: How they are only three and a half point favorites
Speaker 19: is beyond me. The Texans are going to roll by thirty.
Speaker 19: This isn't even funny. I don't even know why I'm laughing.
Speaker 19: It's a disgrace.
Speaker 6: Good luck Jets, Better luck next year.
Speaker 1: Bye. Who's the disgrace?
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 1: I don't think Nick is wearing pants in that video?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, let's move on. Where are we going next?
Speaker 1: Where are we going next? Let's go to Soldier Field. Listen,
Speaker 1: he's a showman. And that was that was that was
Speaker 1: a great message, just it wasn't accurate. He put himself
Speaker 1: on the line and you know it didn't work out
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 6: Lion's showing blitz.
Speaker 13: Lions have their safeties back deep away to snap Justice
Speaker 13: Fields off the left side, free play for Justice worked
Speaker 13: it down the left side.
Speaker 15: He's got gloping into the end zone for the touchdown.
Speaker 6: Touchdown Bears and they're back in front. Thirty eight yard strikes.
Speaker 13: Dude, Jerry Moore, the Kensmar's overplayed Trushner.
Speaker 1: Wow, my goodness, man, who do we get bongos to?
Speaker 2: It was deserve it Rams Ravens, But I gotta say
Speaker 2: the Bears, the Bears. I did have that thought for seconds,
Speaker 2: so many choices. The Bears could have gotten the bongos
Speaker 2: because the Bears played a really good game on Sunday,
Speaker 2: really giving it to the Lions, the rival twenty eight
Speaker 2: to thirteen win. Justin Fields threw for a touchdown, ran
Speaker 2: for another and that play. I chose that one because
Speaker 2: it was a fourth and long and the just no hesitation.
Speaker 1: Justin Field's drop back, he sees DJ Moore.
Speaker 2: In one on one coverage, he just drills it and
Speaker 2: they say we have this ability.
Speaker 3: So Matt Ibraflus, the head coach.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, there they've won three or four
Speaker 2: and he got his first division win last week. Ibra flues,
Speaker 2: which is insane now that he has his first back
Speaker 2: to back wins as head coach of the Bear. So
Speaker 2: there's sacking some things here now, and it was it
Speaker 2: was just nice to see the Bears showing some life
Speaker 2: and Mark, I think I think I kind.
Speaker 1: Of threw this out there a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: Could justin fields get the Bears thinking with a strong
Speaker 2: finish and I thought he played better than even his
Speaker 2: box score in this leading this offense on an impressive show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for these teams that you know they're
Speaker 4: out of it to some degree, but a lot still matters.
Speaker 4: And it, like I mean, ibra Flus two weeks ago,
Speaker 4: to me felt like will he finished the season with
Speaker 4: his team, probably because the GM and him are very linked.
Speaker 4: But it's important for us to see what the vision
Speaker 4: of Matt Eberluse is and that, you know, beyond even
Speaker 4: justin fields, this was a defense, a roster that gave
Speaker 4: away defensive talent a year ago, burned it all down
Speaker 4: a little bit to the ground.
Speaker 1: Had no pass rush coming into the year.
Speaker 4: The Montes Sweat acquisition I think has absolutely turned a
Speaker 4: key on this defense.
Speaker 1: But they've been a legit.
Speaker 4: Raal good hit today, right, He's been great, and they
Speaker 4: had four sacks they believe, and they made life really
Speaker 4: difficult for Jared Goff. And I think the other side
Speaker 4: of this is like concern around the Lions continues to
Speaker 4: grow and bubble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't like the energy around this team
Speaker 2: right now. I think Lions fans that are freaking out.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are some out there. I think there's
Speaker 2: reason to be concerned because there's just some things that
Speaker 2: we are not seeing. Aiden Hutchinson finally kind of got
Speaker 2: it going again in this game, so that was positive.
Speaker 2: But they but the slow starts Detroit. They've been trailing
Speaker 2: at the end of the first quarter down three of
Speaker 2: their last four games. And when this team is playing
Speaker 2: from behind, they just they just look and act different.
Speaker 2: And Goff is putting in more uncomfortable situation and they
Speaker 2: can't play defense greg not and especially against mobile quarterbacks
Speaker 2: who just run around this unit.
Speaker 5: Every quarterback has their best game in a while against
Speaker 5: this team, and it's concerning. This is a division matchup,
Speaker 5: and so they know each other a little better than
Speaker 5: other teams.
Speaker 6: But it's the Bears. These two teams have played twice.
Speaker 5: I watched every second of that game live last time,
Speaker 5: and the Bears were the better team, scrept them for
Speaker 5: fifty five minutes and it wasn't fluky. I know Goff
Speaker 5: had a couple of interceptions in that game, but they
Speaker 5: were also winning the line of scrimmage. They were moving
Speaker 5: the ball like they were the better team. The Bears
Speaker 5: have looked pretty reasonable, I would say for seven eight
Speaker 5: weeks now. I mean they had a backup quarterback playing,
Speaker 5: but the team around Bagent and now since Field's come back,
Speaker 5: they're a dangerous team. They're one of yea, a team
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to face down the stretch and the Lions.
Speaker 5: You're right, their offense is great, but they also only
Speaker 5: have like two to three pieces, and if Goff falls
Speaker 5: behind and starts getting under pressure like it's it's not
Speaker 5: the best offense in the league that you can have
Speaker 5: this level of defense around it.
Speaker 6: It's concerning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Jamier Gibbs also, once again, maybe getting him
Speaker 2: more and more involved with the offense will help because
Speaker 2: he gets the balls on his ball in his hands,
Speaker 2: and he was excellent again in this game, but overall.
Speaker 1: Just not enough.
Speaker 5: Get The Packers, by the way, who play Monday night,
Speaker 5: are very much in this division race now. Oh for
Speaker 5: sure down down too. If they can win that game
Speaker 5: with four to play, it is not over. And we
Speaker 5: mentioned ibra Flus like if they've finished strong, you could
Speaker 5: see this Bears organization in over the years has been
Speaker 5: not wanting to pay their coaches to go away. It's
Speaker 5: just kind of not been their mo Their ownership isn't
Speaker 5: too involved. So he I think he has a chance
Speaker 5: if they keep playing well.
Speaker 3: They've Joshine now like they're trended like he could.
Speaker 2: If they can finish with a sense of dignity and
Speaker 2: some success, I think he will get another year, which
Speaker 2: maybe is not the right move, but if they're showing progress,
Speaker 2: and then the next question will be greg to.
Speaker 3: Circle back to the fields thing.
Speaker 2: Sure you have DJ Moore now and that's now a
Speaker 2: legitimate thing. You have Marvin Harrison's son out there is
Speaker 2: the next big thing coming.
Speaker 1: Out of college.
Speaker 2: The idea of well we could draft a new quarterback,
Speaker 2: or we could give him a potential superstar a pair
Speaker 2: with more and really start building or.
Speaker 5: Down that right, or we trade down to like whoever
Speaker 5: is the two or the three? Pick get Harrison, get
Speaker 5: right picks. It all could be exciting, and I'm not
Speaker 5: sure keeping ever Refluse would be the right decision. I'm
Speaker 5: leaning no, but I kind of like more ebra Fluse
Speaker 5: in our life.
Speaker 6: It's it's done.
Speaker 5: Like the last six or seven weeks, I've realized he's
Speaker 5: an extremely goofy person in press conference that I feel
Speaker 5: like if he was on coaching a different team, people
Speaker 5: would be like, what is with this guy?
Speaker 6: And he gave a little example, just a little exam.
Speaker 1: He's just weird.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 1: Jamon had seventeen tackles today. Jaman that crazy?
Speaker 17: What did you should him?
Speaker 10: The way he was playing sounds like Mike College.
Speaker 1: Sit over there, I got well, he's winning, he's feeling good.
Speaker 6: It's even the awkwardess is like, hey you over there,
Speaker 6: I got jacket.
Speaker 2: It is this safety risker at seventeen tackle. A safety
Speaker 2: with seventeen tackles, he like linebackers with seventeen tackles.
Speaker 1: I like that though.
Speaker 2: That's one of those like sneaky flexes where I'm showing
Speaker 2: I have a sense of humor. I'm showing that I'm
Speaker 2: loose and easy, and I'm also showing you that I
Speaker 2: was a great player once the time.
Speaker 4: I bet you know I saw his pillow talk at home.
Speaker 4: Is like, honey, you've got to like kind of show
Speaker 4: them who you are, show them the person that I know.
Speaker 3: We want the real mat to come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I recognize him now when I see him, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's progress. That's a turning point switch. Who
Speaker 1: would blame us? Who could? I mean, who says we can't?
Speaker 6: Who's locked?
Speaker 1: Whose choice is it other than who locked it? Oh
Speaker 1: I did? Oh Markie, Oh, cess Dog. That's okay.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll, you know, join ship with some other person
Speaker 4: winning twelve games a week.
Speaker 1: Do you want it? Do you want to join us? No,
Speaker 1: I'll examine it.
Speaker 4: But like this also, this was a dumb lock because
Speaker 4: it's like, why do I keep picking these teams on
Speaker 4: the road that are trending downward when when I'm picking.
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, the only thing that would actually end
Speaker 1: the lock competition is if we all just joined on
Speaker 1: the same lock. That would be the only way. I'm
Speaker 1: heavily considering it. I'll take it to the committee. I
Speaker 1: think my second team in the standings is now tied.
Speaker 4: You so well, yeah, you have multiple franchises to sort out,
Speaker 4: so I can't like Mickey lumits.
Speaker 3: The Mickey Lumis of the locks competition.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh take a quick break and then
Speaker 1: we will finish up.
Speaker 3: A right welcome back.
Speaker 2: Uh, it is time to dive into the mysterious and
Speaker 2: terrifying and grizzly world of the NFC South. Mask up, everybody,
Speaker 2: mask up, like the outbreak gear, the full the full
Speaker 2: bodysuit with the pull on, and then there's like the window.
Speaker 1: We're back there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're back there.
Speaker 1: Let's go from the eleven yard line.
Speaker 3: Good snap, Mayfield, you can go back the ball left.
Speaker 2: There, there's a cockball cockball touchdown.
Speaker 6: Kate Oughton mikes it over the shoulder catch how the box?
Speaker 3: Will we take the lead?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 18: One on one coverage and you could tell by the
Speaker 18: body language of Mayfield he was going to and the
Speaker 18: whole way.
Speaker 1: Well, forget his.
Speaker 11: Number twenty holding defense number twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Decline it. That's not listen Roberts. He's a stickler for
Speaker 2: rules and he.
Speaker 1: Wanted to make sure we have the holding call an
Speaker 1: announcement in there. Thank you the completionist.
Speaker 2: Still like them complete Kado and oh that was Jane
Speaker 2: decker Hoff with the call kateot and.
Speaker 1: Pretty good tight end, good little tight end. Knowing Djokus
Speaker 1: he is Dave should have been in the show to that.
Speaker 1: You know what, We'll do it again, Jo highlight by
Speaker 1: the end of the show.
Speaker 4: Just do an entire episode on his highlights from today.
Speaker 2: Kate Otten hauled in an eleven yard touchdown Bass with
Speaker 2: thirty one seconds to play. It was a wild fourth
Speaker 2: quarter and it allowed the Bucks to move into a
Speaker 2: tie for first place in the Stinkiest Blue Cheese NFC
Speaker 2: South twenty nine to twenty five over the Falcons. Greg,
Speaker 2: are we completely certain that the season will end with
Speaker 2: an NFC South champion?
Speaker 1: And if so, do you think it is the Bucks who.
Speaker 3: Find a way they did on Sunday?
Speaker 5: I think you're selling the Bucks short. They're not tied
Speaker 5: for the first place. They are sure the first place team,
Speaker 5: the Bucks.
Speaker 3: So excuse me.
Speaker 5: This game, excuse me was drafted by yours truly for
Speaker 5: just the scenario that happened that the Bucks had the
Speaker 5: ball late in the game, and I was thinking this
Speaker 5: is the Bucks season. If they do not score a
Speaker 5: touchdown on this drive, which they received, I believe with
Speaker 5: three minutes and twenty seconds left, their season's over. They're
Speaker 5: down two, they won't have the tie breaker four to go.
Speaker 5: Bye Bye Bucks. It's gone. And Baker Mayfield, who was
Speaker 5: terrible today fourteen for twenty nine, missed like seven throws.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's got moxy.
Speaker 5: Ran into like four sacks pressure that wasn't there for
Speaker 5: most of the day, had his best two throws of
Speaker 5: the game when he absolutely needed to, which has been
Speaker 5: I think typical of him late this season is he's
Speaker 5: he's in the perfect division for who he is. He's
Speaker 5: come up with his best work late in the game.
Speaker 5: And third and ten, it was one, sixteen to go.
Speaker 5: He had been forcing throws to Godwin the whole time,
Speaker 5: ten targets for at that point like twenty yards, and
Speaker 5: Baker had a dime. He finally wins this matchup against
Speaker 5: Clark Phillips. They were trying to pick on this rookie
Speaker 5: safety the whole game, and the rookie safety was winning
Speaker 5: and it was a beautiful throw and catch. And then
Speaker 5: the next play or two plays later is to Aten
Speaker 5: for the touchdown, and that was enough to just get
Speaker 5: out of here in a game that Desmond Ritter and
Speaker 5: the Falcons just kept finding ways to let the Buccaneers
Speaker 5: stay around, even though the Falcons really outplayed.
Speaker 2: I'm issuing a correction to your correction. What there's a
Speaker 2: three way top ty top the NFC.
Speaker 1: Get it.
Speaker 3: But the first time it's out the end of the area.
Speaker 2: Who is in first place in the nfcon there are
Speaker 2: three teams that are six and seven.
Speaker 3: Who is in the middle of December, That's all that matter.
Speaker 6: Who's in first place.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about anything else about tie breakers and all that. Boss,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. There's plenty of time for that
Speaker 1: to decide it. But right now there's this is the
Speaker 1: NFC South Mark six and seven, six and seven, six
Speaker 1: and seven, one and twelve.
Speaker 4: I awe, some fun I know I'm rooting at this point,
Speaker 4: Like you gotta flip it around if you're looking for
Speaker 4: something that's intriguing, Like there's a chance for to get
Speaker 4: a seven win team winning this division and you've never
Speaker 4: we've had seven to nine, you've never had seven and ten,
Speaker 4: So that would be intriguing. I mean, if I said
Speaker 4: to you back in August. I believe that Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: will be the best quarterback in this division by like
Speaker 4: mid December.
Speaker 1: And that's not saying he's he is a Pryce.
Speaker 3: Young Car Baker.
Speaker 4: This year's version of Car. I'm just saying it's not
Speaker 4: much of a car wreck in the division.
Speaker 1: When care this morning, I was feeling pretty dangerous that
Speaker 1: it does apply. You know, we tried who was it.
Speaker 2: Who's the reporter tried to get Baker at the end
Speaker 2: of the interview to say he was feeling dangerous, beat
Speaker 2: him up on it and everything, and He's like, no,
Speaker 2: I wasn't feel dangerous, and I woke up and he walked.
Speaker 1: Away pretty good. Who was the reporter? Somebody? We know?
Speaker 1: The game?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go on, I'll figure this out.
Speaker 5: I think they had something like eighty something yards on
Speaker 5: their first eight or nine drives. Like the Bucks defense
Speaker 5: was giving up play Like this was the ultimate Desmond
Speaker 5: Ridder game. Who's gotten better at football? He threw for
Speaker 5: three forty seven in this game. He threw for a touchdown,
Speaker 5: ran for another. But like he just finds a way
Speaker 5: to make the biggest mistakes possible in the most crucial moments.
Speaker 5: He missed a wide open Baijon Robinson for a touch down.
Speaker 5: Early he threw an interception on like a swing pass
Speaker 5: that was a great read by Carlton Davis, but still
Speaker 5: it's set the Bucks up at the eight. Their offense
Speaker 5: was not going to do anything today, but that set
Speaker 5: them up for their only touchdown early in the game.
Speaker 5: He had two fumbles. He took a brutal safety in
Speaker 5: the game where he held the ball too long, So
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you can be great the other forty
Speaker 5: five plays and it was driving me crazy. Arthur Smith
Speaker 5: just refused to run the ball at one point, and
Speaker 5: this is when the game is close. They had thirty
Speaker 5: one dropbacks for it or and eleven carries for the
Speaker 5: running time.
Speaker 6: What has happened?
Speaker 2: Back in that world, he'll be John Robinson, by the way,
Speaker 2: Young Wa Ku, who's great.
Speaker 1: He's nails. But he missed two field goals in this game,
Speaker 1: which cost them the game in a way. But also well,
Speaker 1: and they're fifty and fifty two out, but for him,
Speaker 1: that's usually money in the bank.
Speaker 3: That also gives Justin Tucker back.
Speaker 2: I believe the all time leading kick percentage for active
Speaker 2: players nice worked, so I'm happy about that, but I
Speaker 2: like I like young Wait Coup, so bummer to him.
Speaker 1: Good player, just not a great day.
Speaker 5: I think my two all Pro safeties were in this
Speaker 5: game and they were both making monster plays.
Speaker 6: Baits ended like three drives in winfield.
Speaker 5: Is the one that had that hose fumble, I mean,
Speaker 5: which could have been a touchdown, it turned into a
Speaker 5: safety because it bounced in the Falcons guy.
Speaker 4: We agreed, Baits was the clearly the best free agent
Speaker 4: pickup of the of the off sea has been great.
Speaker 1: Great maneuver. Without even thinking, who wins the NFC South?
Speaker 2: Mark Bucks great, I'm gonna go with Falcons, Me Bucks, nobody.
Speaker 2: It just says a lot about the Saints that they
Speaker 2: get no votes in this scenario.
Speaker 1: A right, let's stay in the NFC South where the
Speaker 1: Panthers and Saints did battle Saints movie towards that feels
Speaker 1: like and the field level sweeps rolls to us. Right,
Speaker 1: this car throws at the ends on start car playing
Speaker 1: in this game for us.
Speaker 6: Jimmy Graham votes down.
Speaker 3: Oh he thought he might dunk.
Speaker 1: It, but he didn't. Jimmy don't want that.
Speaker 6: Fine, he doesn't have that.
Speaker 2: He's not allowed either that he ruined the goalpost at
Speaker 2: one time. I remember, heyday, Mike cossinduce McAllister with the call.
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, who apparently is unkillable, returned from a concussion
Speaker 2: and various upper body injuries, and he threw a late
Speaker 2: touchdown passes to chrys A. Lobby and Jimmy Graham and
Speaker 2: the Saints beat the moribund to Panthers twenty eight to
Speaker 2: six to pull back into a tar atop the division
Speaker 2: with with two other teams there are tirebreakers, but whatever, Mark,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole vibrant on the Saints seems so
Speaker 2: weird to me and kind of toxic.
Speaker 1: Toxic.
Speaker 2: Even after this win, all I see around the team,
Speaker 2: the reporting and the fans and the retweets and everything,
Speaker 2: it's just negativity, like why isn't Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Graham playing more? And drama about car.
Speaker 2: And the center fighting on the field and reporters squabbling
Speaker 2: with the head coach.
Speaker 3: Enjoy a win, guys, christ.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I think that, like you could look at just the
Speaker 4: score of this game and it's deceiving it. It was
Speaker 4: a really rough watch on both sides. We already understand
Speaker 4: that the Panthers are a rough watch. But these two quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: and I think this frustration is just that it's you
Speaker 4: want to look at the win alone, isolated cool, but
Speaker 4: it is a continuation of a disturbing pattern with Carr
Speaker 4: in the Saints, and it's like, I get that he's
Speaker 4: the lightning rot and it's going to take critique no
Speaker 4: matter what he does. But both quarterbacks combined for fifty
Speaker 4: eight passing yards in the first half, and it does
Speaker 4: feel like a year more than any other season that
Speaker 4: I can remember, where like you come out of every
Speaker 4: one half of these games with a quarterback that has
Speaker 4: a reputation of succeeding in the past or at least,
Speaker 4: you know, producing with like eighteen yards or twenty eight
Speaker 4: yards or some nonsense. And so it was like the
Speaker 4: perfect storm of both both quarterbacks playing some ghastly football
Speaker 4: out of the gate. I mean, Car specifically was thirteen
Speaker 4: for twenty for thirty seven yards with a bad interception.
Speaker 4: I just think there's bubbling frustration. The only thing they
Speaker 4: did well offensively early on was run the ball pretty
Speaker 4: well out of the gate, and it just all flared
Speaker 4: up from there. And it's just like if you're going
Speaker 4: to have a week where everything comes together and you
Speaker 4: look like a Saints team that we want to potentially
Speaker 4: view as a team that can win this division, and
Speaker 4: without us having to see an extra game, you beat
Speaker 4: this Panthers team and like they've got nothing, and Bryce
Speaker 4: Young at one point was Bryce Young was like one
Speaker 4: for nine to start this game.
Speaker 1: And this is a crazy stat.
Speaker 4: He averaged thirteen point four air yards per attempt today,
Speaker 4: the fifth most by any quarterback in a game all year.
Speaker 1: On those passes.
Speaker 4: He was zero for six in the first half and
Speaker 4: one for nine with thirty two yards in the whole game.
Speaker 4: It's like you're going ten, twelve, thirteen minutes at a time,
Speaker 4: drive after drive where it's like, no matter how depressing
Speaker 4: the car situation is, I just want the season end
Speaker 4: for Bryce Young because it's like there is there.
Speaker 3: Are the saddest team in the league.
Speaker 4: It's sad, and like it's sad because of what you've
Speaker 4: given up for him, who he is, like what he's
Speaker 4: meant to represent, and you've already fired your coach, and
Speaker 4: it's just like it's a tough watch.
Speaker 5: They ran for two hundred and four yards on the Saints,
Speaker 5: which is another continuing issue for the Saints is that
Speaker 5: they get run over every week and they still only
Speaker 5: picked up six points. I mean the reason though, that
Speaker 5: there's negativity after the game is, look, Eric McCoy is
Speaker 5: the leader of that offense. If you have to pick
Speaker 5: one player over the last you know, five to eight
Speaker 5: years or whatever. He's the center, he's a captain, he's
Speaker 5: the leader of the offense. He's always very cool, calm
Speaker 5: and collected. And he gets into a huge screaming match
Speaker 5: with Carr on the field that continues onto the sideline.
Speaker 5: So there's gonna be a lot of questions and they
Speaker 5: all try to downplay it, and it's unclear honestly what
Speaker 5: it was. But that's gonna be is getting arguments with
Speaker 5: the quarterback. It's like, okay, what is.
Speaker 3: Bench the quarterback? Like he's already injured anyway.
Speaker 1: If everyone's so miserable about the quarterback at the quarterback
Speaker 1: out of.
Speaker 2: The lineup, I mean, I don't know, but it isn't
Speaker 2: just from a distance, it seems a little odd that
Speaker 2: there's so much even in a blowout win, you know, twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight to six.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, they did put together two late touchdown
Speaker 4: drives where you know, Jimmy Graham became a factor late
Speaker 4: in the game on that front. But it isn't like
Speaker 4: like I think, to your point, Dan, like a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago, or like the idea that like Cars
Speaker 4: getting killed, but he's actually playing well. It's like you
Speaker 4: had a couple of nice passes in this game, but
Speaker 4: we're not even getting the Derek Carr that we got
Speaker 4: a year ago in Oakland, which was not the Derek
Speaker 4: Carr we got previous to that in Oakland.
Speaker 1: So it was far less in this game.
Speaker 5: But well, he just battling through and he played his
Speaker 5: best game of the season against the Lions last week
Speaker 5: for what it was worth.
Speaker 1: So some guys get presented as Warriors, and then there's
Speaker 1: Car who's being killed for playing poorly in a game
Speaker 1: where he barely made out of the previous game alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I'm just like, the whole vibe is frustrating
Speaker 2: to me around New Orleans right now.
Speaker 5: McCoy did apologize to reporters about the spat, saying, should
Speaker 5: what was it about? Nobody they want to.
Speaker 3: Say, you know, there's that guy, John Boy.
Speaker 1: We'll find out something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the guy John Boy.
Speaker 1: Who does mostly baseball stuff, but he has a whole
Speaker 1: empire up there in New York, and he's a great
Speaker 1: lip reader, and he does all these great videos. If
Speaker 1: you're a baseball like that, reading lips of whether it's
Speaker 1: fights on the field or what's going on.
Speaker 2: We need that. We need that guy, and I film
Speaker 2: needs a version of that guy. I was thinking of
Speaker 2: that when the Mahomes sideline tirade happened. This would be
Speaker 2: another example.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe does John Boy have like a a brother
Speaker 4: or a sister that has the same sign.
Speaker 2: I don't know him personally, our buddy Chris Rose works with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I'm how about for the second half of the
Speaker 2: football game, we're gonna try to go to watch and
Speaker 2: a few minutes ask We're gonna ask.
Speaker 5: Him here's brother return touchdown? On a day where Steve
Speaker 5: Gleason is there in attention about that.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned that because I was like sitting
Speaker 4: at the top of my notes and went somewhere else.
Speaker 4: It was actually ruled a fumble, So it wasn't I mean,
Speaker 4: it looked like it wasn't it, But you know, but that, yes,
Speaker 4: I guess even a dance point even that couldn't just
Speaker 4: have been what it needed to be.
Speaker 2: It's remarkable, like Steve Gleeson who had the famous block
Speaker 2: punt when they reopened the Superdome after Katrina late stage
Speaker 2: als like he's the fact that he's going in these
Speaker 2: games remarkable. Yeah, whether or not accounted well, the touchdown counted.
Speaker 6: They just ruled it.
Speaker 5: Just it's nitpicky, like apparently like if you if you
Speaker 5: cause a fumbel before he even tried to punt it,
Speaker 5: essentially they didn't count. But he has a remarkable human
Speaker 5: I think he has a new book out or he
Speaker 5: had a book. Like every time he speaks, people should listen.
Speaker 1: There you go, enjoy yourself, guys, it's holidays. Let's go
Speaker 1: across the sidewalk.
Speaker 9: Charges football ball now the charger forty six yard Linus
Speaker 9: Wilson has him with the stomach.
Speaker 2: Walk by the glass before tough time forever to throw
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 18: Steps up, now froze a deep ball he wants.
Speaker 9: Courtland goes up, touchdown, dever penally fight thrown.
Speaker 1: Get your penalty flag out of my highlights.
Speaker 9: Let's go your first call as Courtland much like an
Speaker 9: NBA power forward, just blocked out Davis caught the ball
Speaker 9: basketball arm.
Speaker 6: You got in the boot right?
Speaker 1: How did you do that? Because you were in the newsroom.
Speaker 1: I thought the whole day trotted over.
Speaker 6: Didn't go to Brown Starters, but decided to go to Brons.
Speaker 1: Well, I needed to make this comment though, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a feeling it was coming.
Speaker 2: Danger spounces back after last weeks three interception performance. He
Speaker 2: throws two touchdown passes and two hundred and twenty four
Speaker 2: yards through the air, and the Broncos crews over the
Speaker 2: Chargers who are dead in the water twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven the final. The Broncos keep winning and yeah, like
Speaker 2: I said, and probably a game out in the AFC
Speaker 2: West as the Chiefs continue to struggle.
Speaker 1: On their own. Okay, so who have this game?
Speaker 2: I did Greg justin Herbert might have played his last
Speaker 2: snap this season.
Speaker 1: So what happened.
Speaker 6: Let's get to the Broncos later.
Speaker 5: But that is the biggest story to come out of
Speaker 5: this game they're playing on Thursday night. He had a
Speaker 5: right index finger injury. It's been reported by our guy
Speaker 5: rap sheet. It's a fracture, and Ian said, because of
Speaker 5: where this is happening in the season, that he might
Speaker 5: not be able to play again this season. Brandon Standle
Speaker 5: lost Right was asked about it as well, and he said,
Speaker 5: in terms of Herbert returning this season specifically, that is
Speaker 5: to be determined. So I think we can take from
Speaker 5: those comments that he's definitely not playing Thursday night they
Speaker 5: are five and eight, and he's probably out multiple and
Speaker 5: just going out with a whimper in a four to
Speaker 5: twenty five game. There's only two of them today that
Speaker 5: approximately zero percent of the non like Broncos fan part
Speaker 5: of the country was watching, and you know.
Speaker 3: Just our market didn't get Chiefs bills.
Speaker 6: Right because of this.
Speaker 5: Our market got some with Easton Stick back there, and
Speaker 5: it was emblematic what's happened because Herbert was you were
Speaker 5: at a bar crushed in the first half. He took
Speaker 5: four sacks and he never takes sacks, but they were
Speaker 5: all over him. Their offensive line head injuries. In this games.
Speaker 5: Ion Johnson got hurt, and that's been part of the season.
Speaker 5: It is the offensive line not nearly playing as well.
Speaker 5: Like there was this drops. He's making some really bad
Speaker 5: throws early. It was seventeen to nothing at one point
Speaker 5: and then Stick gets in there, so Easton Stick didn't
Speaker 5: have a chance and this is kind of how the
Speaker 5: Dally era ends. It's probably not gonna end this week.
Speaker 5: Maybe it'll end after the Thursday night game if they
Speaker 5: want to a jump on it, but if not, it'll
Speaker 5: happen at the end of the sea.
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem antiquated for where we are in Societ that
Speaker 2: like regions of the country are still getting banged by
Speaker 2: the local team playing.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a national sport, like, come on,
Speaker 3: you gotta give.
Speaker 6: Us another way to walk Sunday TV Sunday, right.
Speaker 4: I it is, but I mean tons of people are
Speaker 4: watching Red Zone two and things like.
Speaker 2: That, more expensive than the other option. But I hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: They find a way to figure everything like this out,
Speaker 4: and so this hangs out there as an odd pathway.
Speaker 2: Denver defense finished with six sacts two turnovers. They held
Speaker 2: the Chargers to combine one of eighteen on third and
Speaker 2: fourth down.
Speaker 6: Jaklon McMillan is like a star.
Speaker 5: Every week the undrafted slot guy makes just a couple
Speaker 5: massive plays.
Speaker 1: He was great. Hey, if the Broncos follow me on
Speaker 1: this one. The Broncos ever won ten and seven John
Speaker 1: Payton Coach.
Speaker 9: Of the Year.
Speaker 1: It's got to be in the mix.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to that'd be one of the
Speaker 4: greatest turn because I think I think it's like relative
Speaker 4: to what they were last year and what.
Speaker 1: They are, I would put that similar to my fantasy
Speaker 1: team going from one to five date and six. I
Speaker 1: think that's where I kind of put that.
Speaker 5: I think you would get consideration and should. The only
Speaker 5: part with that argument I've seen Broncos fans making already
Speaker 5: is like the main part of the argument seems to
Speaker 5: be about how they responded to one and five, But
Speaker 5: he was the coach of the one in five. He
Speaker 5: gets full credit for the one in five too. The
Speaker 5: fact that they're at seven to six overall, I think
Speaker 5: is a good coaching job. Well, but I think if
Speaker 5: you said that going into the season, that's like that's
Speaker 5: one game better than expectation.
Speaker 4: That's also he also is taking over a team that was,
Speaker 4: you know, somewhat in tatters with a lot of questions
Speaker 4: starting right with your quarterback, like the defense needed time
Speaker 4: to figure itself out.
Speaker 1: So I don't really done a great job.
Speaker 5: I don't a great I mean the six games that
Speaker 5: they went one in five count as part of this.
Speaker 2: Definitely, he would definitely be the first NFL coach to
Speaker 2: win Coach of the Year that also lost seventy to
Speaker 2: twenty in a season that has never happened.
Speaker 6: That you could cement that as true and advance Joseph.
Speaker 5: I mean this has been in. The defense is capricious.
Speaker 5: How about that. You know it goes up and down.
Speaker 5: But vans Joseph's coaching a top ten defense now for
Speaker 5: two months straight. The defense had the offense has stayed
Speaker 5: about the same all year. It's been consistent. They let
Speaker 5: other teams lose games. It's a winning formula. They run
Speaker 5: the ball well enough. Wilson is a lot of checkdowns
Speaker 5: and then a lot of just bombs, and like he
Speaker 5: might have gone two for seven on bombs today or whatever.
Speaker 5: And that's happening every week. And yet the bombs that
Speaker 5: they hit are so worth it. Keep throwing the bombs.
Speaker 5: The Sutton catch that he had to me was his
Speaker 5: season in a nutshell. The other guy, the defensive back,
Speaker 5: I think it was Michael Davis, was literally holding his
Speaker 5: arm like full hold, two hands on his other arm.
Speaker 5: He's fifty yards down the field and he catches the
Speaker 5: ball with the other arm.
Speaker 6: In the end of it. I think it was one
Speaker 6: of the catches of the year.
Speaker 5: It's sort of got slept on because you didn't see
Speaker 5: it on the angle he saw the other reverse angle.
Speaker 5: It seems completely impossible in a beautiful throw that Wilson
Speaker 5: had all the time in the world.
Speaker 4: They're playing, well, yeah, I'm not sure I want to
Speaker 4: see them in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Personally, that's a that's a Mark thing.
Speaker 2: But I like something about who gets instead of them, like,
Speaker 2: would you rather I'd rather see them over.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Julius Thomas and Damarius Thomas were the last Denver receivers
Speaker 2: to reach double digits and touchdowns until Courtland Sutton. Those
Speaker 2: were in the Peyton Man and Glory years. And also, Mark,
Speaker 2: I know you like a kind of exaggerated numbers comedy.
Speaker 2: This is Russell Wilson on your corner. I think I
Speaker 2: had about thirty five seconds back there, he said about
Speaker 2: the clean pocket before the Sutton touchdown. I went left,
Speaker 2: went right, went through my reads, and then back to Courtland.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he used to do in Seattle,
Speaker 1: so it must feel good. I mean that offensive line
Speaker 1: is falling out too.
Speaker 6: They have the yeah that when Joey Bosa got heard
Speaker 6: that just sort of.
Speaker 1: Chargers.
Speaker 2: All right, if the if the Panthers are the saddest
Speaker 2: team in the NFC, I think the Chargers AFC.
Speaker 1: The Jets agreed.
Speaker 5: You know, no, now the Patriots have escaped, it's the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I mean the Chargers feel it feels very bleak. They don't.
Speaker 4: It feels very bleak and just pressing, and it's week
Speaker 4: after week without any light shining through.
Speaker 2: The Jets was like kind of a tragic season. But
Speaker 2: even like today showed that they're fighting hard.
Speaker 1: Yeahn know. If that's happening for Brendan Staley's team.
Speaker 3: Well they're packing up the tent.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening for Brandon Staley's team.
Speaker 2: Now, all right, real quick, guys, yes, before we get
Speaker 2: to Sunday night football.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's something for you.
Speaker 10: Dan Oh, Flack, go underneath third and one, it turns, bootlegs.
Speaker 3: It out to the right.
Speaker 1: It's gonna man wide open.
Speaker 10: Had jokers got it, hit the phone, touchdown, Bang, beautiful
Speaker 10: fake fight.
Speaker 6: Flacoh, you're happy.
Speaker 1: Come on, that's a good call.
Speaker 6: I will.
Speaker 1: My argument wouldn't be that it's not a good call.
Speaker 5: How did you do this for the first time. We've
Speaker 5: been doing the show for eleven years. You somehow turned
Speaker 5: in a great Brown's touchdown into something you're needling Mark about.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of big surprise. It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2: It's a magic tricky you both. I'm glad that Dave
Speaker 2: Nijoku got his moment and it was a great day
Speaker 2: for Joe Flack.
Speaker 1: Those two men deserve to be celebrated on the show
Speaker 1: and now they have. And I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: Teamwork all right to Sunday Night football.
Speaker 15: Second goal snap, the Prescott looks left, slam gallup touchdown.
Speaker 1: That was right. Now, that is offensive possessions for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and that is three touchdowns in a field goal.
Speaker 2: Man Brad Sham the sham God with the call. After
Speaker 2: the score on NBC, they cut away to Jara's box,
Speaker 2: which listen, Jerah makes the rules. Although they have had
Speaker 2: trouble in the stadium's history with fire.
Speaker 1: Code, You're right, go to your research. If you don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking talking about.
Speaker 2: There had to be three hundred people in that suite celebrating.
Speaker 2: Everyone vaguely looked exactly the same grade five, though, for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, who beat the Eagles thirty three to thirteen,
Speaker 2: exactly the type of comprehensive takedown of their rival that
Speaker 2: they kind of needed, not just Mark to potentially steal
Speaker 2: the NFC East away from the Eagles.
Speaker 3: And the top seeds in the NFC.
Speaker 2: But also for the skeptics out there, they're like, Wow,
Speaker 2: they're the Cowboys. They'll find a way again. Another performance
Speaker 2: where it's like, or this might be a different team.
Speaker 4: They feel differently to me, and I've been a skeptic
Speaker 4: and kind of waited for Dallas to have like the
Speaker 4: kind of game where it is assured, it is cemented
Speaker 4: that they're a different type of Cowboys team, and I
Speaker 4: saw it. I mean, these two teams know each other
Speaker 4: so well, and I think they caught Philadelphia at a
Speaker 4: time where the Eagles are having some struggles of their own.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't explain without you talking about the great
Speaker 4: nature of this Cowboys defense and what they did tonight,
Speaker 4: where you've got Stefan Gilmore playing the game of his life,
Speaker 4: punching the ball out from AJ Brown who that doesn't
Speaker 4: happen to AJ Brown typically, and DeVonta Smith, who has
Speaker 4: been so good for the Eagles dropping a bomb in
Speaker 4: the end zone on a pretty good throw and himself
Speaker 4: losing a fumble himself, and it's just they couldn't get unhooked.
Speaker 4: And I thought, you know, there were a couple of
Speaker 4: moments here where the Eagles could have climbed back in
Speaker 4: and done what happens on like every Sunday night football game,
Speaker 4: and Dallas just wouldn't let them back in. Even with
Speaker 4: the Fletcher Cocks stripsack of Dak and Jalen Carter. That's
Speaker 4: still like a momentum shift. But momentum doesn't exist great.
Speaker 5: I mean it didn't in that case because the Cowboys
Speaker 5: took it right back. Every single moment in this game.
Speaker 5: They just looked like they were gonna make the big
Speaker 5: plays and the Eagles wouldn't. You look at the yardage
Speaker 5: and it doesn't look that uneven yards for play like
Speaker 5: Eagles move the ball. You're right, you mentioned those mistakes
Speaker 5: and we didn't even mention in that uh group being
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts lost the fumble and aj Brown ended a
Speaker 5: drive with a drop that would have put them inside
Speaker 5: the five yard line in the first half, So they
Speaker 5: only had eight drives when this game was still in doubt,
Speaker 5: and three ended on fumbles from their three best players
Speaker 5: and one ended on a drop from one of their
Speaker 5: other best players, A J. Brown, So that that was
Speaker 5: half their judge. But I honestly don't think it would
Speaker 5: have mattered because this was gonna be the Cowboys night.
Speaker 5: On that first play call, we knew Zaddy was feeling
Speaker 5: it the first drive. Rather calls for that big sweep
Speaker 5: to Turpen on third and one, that was a gut
Speaker 5: sea call. They run the ball on fourth and two
Speaker 5: at one point, and they pick it up. They ran
Speaker 5: the ball well in the red zone. I just think
Speaker 5: Dak had so much time on that first touchdown, like
Speaker 5: it was all just working.
Speaker 6: When they needed to make a play, they made it.
Speaker 5: And even on the rare chances when the Eagles won
Speaker 5: up front, because actually the defensive Land thought played okay
Speaker 5: in this game, Dak just hits them with like a
Speaker 5: beautiful Eli Manning to Manningham type bomb to Gallop on
Speaker 5: the sideline.
Speaker 6: They were just better. They're just better.
Speaker 1: That's very big of you to reference that play twice
Speaker 1: that night. Incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dak with pressure in his face dropping that and
Speaker 2: the bucket to gallop that just shows the zone he
Speaker 2: is in right now and has been for weeks.
Speaker 3: And I mentioned it earlier in the show.
Speaker 2: This MVP race is becoming like a corker because Dak
Speaker 2: does not lose any ground, Lamar moves up a little bit,
Speaker 2: party re establishes.
Speaker 6: Himself Tyreek on Monday Night. I'm not not giving up
Speaker 6: on that one either. You can have your Tyreek v
Speaker 6: saying the qbs.
Speaker 2: But these qbs, I guess what I'm saying more not
Speaker 2: taken away from Tyreek. I'm just saying one more to go.
Speaker 2: I think those are the four main ones right now.
Speaker 2: But I think now we're saying, oh, there's no quarterbacks
Speaker 2: where it's really jumping out some of these guys. Now
Speaker 2: they're starting to stack week after week, big performances and
Speaker 2: the numbers are getting gaudy, and that wins MVPs. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you have this this game for the Cowboys, and they
Speaker 2: are like essentially unbeatable at home.
Speaker 1: Well they are, they're not essentially. They're seven to zero at.
Speaker 2: Geral World this year, and that is a big deal
Speaker 2: because if they can keep this up and take that
Speaker 2: top seed and make the NFC go through Dallas once again,
Speaker 2: you're starting to think this could be a different year
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there is an interesting stretch coming up
Speaker 4: because they are untouchable at home. Only one of their
Speaker 4: final four games in the regular season are at home.
Speaker 4: They have to go to Buffalo, they have to go
Speaker 4: to Miami, they played Detroit at home, then they have
Speaker 4: to go to Washington. So it's like the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: to keep proving this if they want.
Speaker 2: I guess part of like the point we were talking
Speaker 2: making at the beginning of this is they've proven themselves now.
Speaker 2: To me, like I don't expect them to go lay
Speaker 2: agn anywhere now is this is a different experience.
Speaker 4: We have been covering this Cowboys team as a group
Speaker 4: for like a decade plus, and there was a reason
Speaker 4: to be annoyed with the pitch versus the product in
Speaker 4: past years. They're beating teams in every possible way, and
Speaker 4: and and they just went and did it to the Eagles,
Speaker 4: who It's like, that's what I needed to see.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 5: So the Eagles are now ten and three. There's a
Speaker 5: an instinct to say, Okay, well, you just got through
Speaker 5: the toughest five game stretch any team's gonna have all season,
Speaker 5: and you went three and two, which isn't you know,
Speaker 5: if you look take a step back, and it's not
Speaker 5: too embarrassing. You know, you got those wins against the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: He split with the Cowboys against the Bills. Who's the
Speaker 5: other one that I'm missing in their Chiefs the Chiefs.
Speaker 5: And then you know, you lose these two games.
Speaker 2: But you lost these two games by a combined score
Speaker 2: of seventy three two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're get just getting tired. And next and yes,
Speaker 5: their last three games of the season are easy, but
Speaker 5: next week you're in Seattle. So like I give I
Speaker 5: actually give them a slight edge to win the division
Speaker 5: just because of the schedule, and that would make all
Speaker 5: the difference in the world. And I think they're a
Speaker 5: veteran enough team that they could kind of gather their
Speaker 5: forces and improve from now until the playoffs and end
Speaker 5: up being very dangerous in the playoffs. But right now
Speaker 5: they're not a great team. They're too deficient defensively. At
Speaker 5: one point, they had given up a score on nine
Speaker 5: straight drives. I think they ended up finishing that game.
Speaker 5: They've now given up a score on twelve out of
Speaker 5: fourteen drives. I mean, it's just they're just not a
Speaker 5: great good enough They're just not a good enough defense
Speaker 5: right now, and the offense, at least tonight. One thing
Speaker 5: that they put on tape that they won't be happy
Speaker 5: with is they had no answer for the zero blitz,
Speaker 5: just like the Cowboys just kept doing it over and
Speaker 5: over and they didn't really have good answers for it.
Speaker 6: There are we going?
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you know exactly where we're going.
Speaker 2: Cowboys are not that dissimilar to the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: and that they can come at you in waves with
Speaker 2: big time players and stars, and they have unearthed a major.
Speaker 3: Star in their special teams.
Speaker 2: It's Brandon Aubrey, the former soccer player who was What's
Speaker 2: They all have great backstories.
Speaker 3: He was on accountant or something for a brief.
Speaker 5: Period software manager after his pro soccer career didn't go well,
Speaker 5: and then his wife said, watching foot like you could
Speaker 5: do this, So we just practiced for.
Speaker 1: Three years to see.
Speaker 2: A great wife will take you great places, including to
Speaker 2: the top of the kicking power rankings.
Speaker 3: Four for four in this game with a long of sixty.
Speaker 1: Also hit a fifty nine yarder, also hit a fifty yarder.
Speaker 2: And he's piping these kicks and he yes, it's bottle service.
Speaker 3: It is straight.
Speaker 2: All friends allowed in, the girls coming in with the
Speaker 2: big signs and everything, and the sparklers like Brandon Aubrey
Speaker 2: gets all of it in the Kicker Club tonight.
Speaker 3: And if I may be a little.
Speaker 2: More serious, this game could have turned out differently in
Speaker 2: the second half if not for Aubrey's greatness, because after
Speaker 2: the Jalen Carter scoop and score makes this a game?
Speaker 1: What's the score at that point?
Speaker 2: After actually twenty three to fourteen? Yeah, twenty three fourteen.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys get the ball twenty four thirteen. They make
Speaker 2: a couple of plays and then the drive stalls on
Speaker 2: the Eagles side of the field. Zaddy decides to bring
Speaker 2: out Aubrey for this bomb from fifty nine. And if
Speaker 2: he doesn't make that kick, the Eagles are coming off
Speaker 2: a defensive score and they have the ball at midfield,
Speaker 2: and you just don't know what could happen. But the
Speaker 2: fact that he made that kick it kind of calmed
Speaker 2: everything down. And when you have a kicker that you
Speaker 2: can rely on the way Zaddy can rely on Aubrey,
Speaker 2: He's like a legitimate weapon and one of the biggest
Speaker 2: stories for this team this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to close the game out with three field
Speaker 4: goals from him. And these are drives that ended at
Speaker 4: the Philly forty one, twenty seven, and thirty two. So
Speaker 4: Dallas wasn't able to knock out punch with Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 4: or Tony Pollard or fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: But each of those drives ate up five plus minutes.
Speaker 4: So in a way, like I thought, he was the
Speaker 4: executioner in this and kept chipping away and taking the
Speaker 4: life away from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: He's thirty for thirty on field.
Speaker 5: Forget about Tucker being on top of the list. We
Speaker 5: got a new one. Not right, I mean that's one
Speaker 5: hundred percent. I know he doesn't quite qualify, but not yet,
Speaker 5: got it. They just have so many elite players. When
Speaker 5: they were showing, you know at the beginning when they
Speaker 5: do the starting lineups and they show the PFI gres Yeah,
Speaker 5: I know PFF's not perfect, well, but I just it's
Speaker 5: like Dak number one out of thirty four, quarterback Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith number one out of forty something, guards Tyron Smith
Speaker 5: number one out of forty something. Tackles Ceedee Lamb number
Speaker 5: three out of one hundred and fifteen wide receivers. Just
Speaker 5: like that's a lot of elite players. Now Aubrey maybe
Speaker 5: number one right now out and.
Speaker 2: You wonder why Jarah Jara's box is shaking with everyone
Speaker 2: celebrating because they have put together a monster team there.
Speaker 3: And it should be said, I got it. I went
Speaker 3: through all that.
Speaker 2: Aubrey is the first kicker to make a fifty nine
Speaker 2: and sixty yard field goal in the same game.
Speaker 1: So that that's history a pretty.
Speaker 4: Crazy yeah, Like I kind of was thinking, wait, that's
Speaker 4: never happened before. But to your post sums, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: just those kicks weren't really being attempted in the in
Speaker 4: ages of old.
Speaker 5: I mean until like ten years ago, a fifty nine
Speaker 5: yard er there probably was less than ten in NFL history.
Speaker 6: Imagine like ten years ago, thousands of people.
Speaker 2: This is the final week of the regular season in
Speaker 2: fantasy that went into Sunday Night Football. Their opponent just
Speaker 2: had a kicker and they had an eighteen point lead.
Speaker 2: You lose, as Brandon Aubrey literally makes history crazy, So
Speaker 2: big win for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Forty nine ers now in great position for the one.
Speaker 3: Seed Niners in the driver's seat.
Speaker 2: But the Cowboys right behind him if there's a slip up,
Speaker 2: and yes, the Eagles very much in the mix as well.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a great ending to this regular
Speaker 2: season in the NFC. Before we say goodbye, I want
Speaker 2: to circle back because I thought the quotes are strong
Speaker 2: enough from Mahomes on the situation at the end of
Speaker 2: the game, and we were noticing on Twitter people were
Speaker 2: doing lip reading. And by the way, John Boy Jimmy
Speaker 2: O'Brien does have siblings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a younger brother and two sisters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Rose confirmed that.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if any of them are willing
Speaker 2: to or even have the ability to help us out
Speaker 2: in that way for lip syncing or lip reading in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 3: But we'll stay on top of that story.
Speaker 2: Here is Mahomes, who what he was so furious about
Speaker 2: was it seems like not that von Miller bake off
Speaker 2: sides as much, it was that they called that on
Speaker 2: Tony and given obviously the play that wiped out.
Speaker 1: In that moment.
Speaker 20: I mean I've played seven years, never had that, never
Speaker 20: had offensive all side. It's called I mean, that's the
Speaker 20: that's elementary school we talk about. I mean, you point
Speaker 20: to the ref do all that different type of stuff
Speaker 20: and it doesn't get called, and if it does, they
Speaker 20: warn you. And there was no warning throughout the entire game.
Speaker 20: And then you wait till there's a minute left in
Speaker 20: the game to make a call like that. It's just tough, man,
Speaker 20: I mean lost for words. Man, It's just tough because
Speaker 20: regardless if we want to lose, man, just just for
Speaker 20: it to end up with another game and we're talking
Speaker 20: about the refs. Man, it's just not what we want
Speaker 20: for the NFL and for football.
Speaker 2: And again, this is out of character for Mahomes to
Speaker 2: be this outspoken, but also what he says here about
Speaker 2: what Kelsey did on that play. And that's why as
Speaker 2: a football fan, Greg, I know, because you would pick
Speaker 2: the Bills, but like to have that exciting play wiped away.
Speaker 2: You understand the frustration. And I thought Mahomes summed that
Speaker 2: up well.
Speaker 20: I mean, it's a legendary moment, man, I mean, no,
Speaker 20: something that's not taught something and only a couple of
Speaker 20: people in this world would even think about doing. And
Speaker 20: for him to make that play in that moment, miss
Speaker 20: making the catch, making a couple dudes missed, and throwing
Speaker 20: the ball across the field to another guy and scoring
Speaker 20: a touchdown in that moment. I hope they still show
Speaker 20: it whenever, whenever he goes into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 20: because that's that's a legendary moment that we didn't get to,
Speaker 20: didn't get to really witness.
Speaker 1: Calls back to what you said earlier, Mark, what is
Speaker 1: it that I said like one more point and then
Speaker 1: you mentioned a play that was wiped away by penalty?
Speaker 1: You and Pat mahomes.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I, first of all, if he I
Speaker 4: trust him to point out like an inconsistency in this call,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it is if it's not something
Speaker 4: that we see and like, I don't know like it.
Speaker 4: It was so frustrating and it's another last week. It
Speaker 4: feels like that game against Green Bay was a million
Speaker 4: years ago, but like that game was torn down by
Speaker 4: really wacky officiating, Like it stood out as one of
Speaker 4: the worst games of the year officiating, and then this
Speaker 4: happened in this moment.
Speaker 2: Is the call wrong technically no, should the officials maybe
Speaker 2: get the hell out.
Speaker 1: Of the way.
Speaker 4: But the nuance he mentioned about, like there are kind
Speaker 4: of an agreement between the officials.
Speaker 5: You usually warned usually the players are looking over to
Speaker 5: the side. We don't know if that happened. Like you
Speaker 5: also can't give the warning if like Tony wasn't out
Speaker 5: there and doing that in similar spots. And he has
Speaker 5: not been playing much in recent weeks. I don't know
Speaker 5: what his snapcount was in this game, but it's been
Speaker 5: like under twenty snaps in general.
Speaker 6: Most of these weeks.
Speaker 5: And he was so far off sides he was blocking
Speaker 5: the view the official. So it wasn't like it was close.
Speaker 5: He was way on the other side. So I understand
Speaker 5: Mahomes points.
Speaker 1: Way on the other side is strong, but it puts on.
Speaker 5: The line in that the his head is blocking, is
Speaker 5: blocking the official. I just mean there has been it
Speaker 5: seems to me an emphasis. So we checked the numbers
Speaker 5: and there has been thirteen offensive offsides called this year,
Speaker 5: which doesn't sound like much.
Speaker 6: That's one per.
Speaker 5: Week, but that's ten more than the two previous seasons combined.
Speaker 5: So it was a call that they never used, and
Speaker 5: I wish, I wish I could remember, but this was
Speaker 5: called in a big spot just last week, and I
Speaker 5: was looking for it, trying to find it, and and
Speaker 5: it wasn't. But it has been happening here and there
Speaker 5: and I think it's the frustration of the whole season.
Speaker 6: Is just it's part of it.
Speaker 5: It is sure because and this is a safe way
Speaker 5: to take out some of that anger.
Speaker 2: Then he said, I I held my nose or I
Speaker 2: didn't say anything after that controversial Packers game, but this
Speaker 2: time I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: And it is.
Speaker 5: Brilliant from Kelsey that that was not a play call.
Speaker 5: That is something Kelsey just awesome does. It is freaking crazy.
Speaker 1: It didn't count, And I know Eric, Eric agrees that
Speaker 1: that should have been a touchdown because you're a man
Speaker 1: of integrity.
Speaker 2: All I know is the side of the glass to
Speaker 2: and O in these games you guys are talking about.
Speaker 1: Was on the right side.
Speaker 2: We've actually not been listening to anything you've been saying
Speaker 2: last ten minutes, So.
Speaker 1: That's all right, untrue of previous producer.
Speaker 3: Right, you guys have to listen to plenty of honey
Speaker 3: from us.
Speaker 6: The play was amazing.
Speaker 2: I will give him that Tiki tak Yes, definitely, but hey,
Speaker 2: rules of the rules get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel you, but listen. If if I was
Speaker 1: a Bills fan, I'd be exactly the same as you.
Speaker 1: But as a football fan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn it that the countless of these games
Speaker 2: go the other way against the Bills and we're fashioned.
Speaker 3: So this one I'm get it. Man, take it.
Speaker 1: Take it when you can get.
Speaker 2: You have nothing to apologize for. Thanks football fans like this.
Speaker 2: Greg's like, yes, I have a pick in one of
Speaker 2: my seventeen things I'm doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's seventeen slightly game debut. Check it out
Speaker 6: and the locks. Let's go all right?
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Speaker 1: What that's a real thing?
Speaker 13: Why?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Heed the call.