Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened? Back to return at Spurlock Michael Spurlock at
Speaker 1: the chin, and he's still the twenty he still the
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty top forty yardline history, fifty forty, the
Speaker 1: thirty yards. I like Michael Rot. Michael Rot, Michael Rod
Speaker 1: set stop tap, there you go, and that sixty two
Speaker 1: yard for your goal attempts. It is God, God, God,
Speaker 1: God box the Eagles, who can forget again? I'm looking again?
Speaker 1: They already Derek Bucks, dilready touchdown tamp a day, Derek Books,
Speaker 1: the most pariable player you're the national football like. Third
Speaker 1: is the Daggers in where are you Gonna Win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? We call them the Salty Dogs. Welcome bucking
Speaker 1: your fans to the Salty Dog Podcast. I'm Scott Smith
Speaker 1: and I am still jeff Ing, and I guess our
Speaker 1: first one went okay because I let us do another one.
Speaker 1: We're here and exciting them so ready to go. Welcoming
Speaker 1: in bucket your fans. Actually, you know they don't have
Speaker 1: to be a bucket your fans. Anybody can listen. Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody stumbles across and thinking it's a cooking showers yep,
Speaker 1: or maybe like a Panthers fan, hate listening or fishing, fishing,
Speaker 1: salty salty dog. Speaking of fishing and salty dogs, are
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a fisherman and a salty dog a
Speaker 1: bit of his own, great fisherman. Dave Moore is going
Speaker 1: to join us today. Yep, the long time tied in
Speaker 1: and long snapper for the Buccaneers, pro bowler at the
Speaker 1: end of his career and played a few years in
Speaker 1: Buffalo as well, and actually started his career in Miami.
Speaker 1: But we'll let him talk about all that when he
Speaker 1: comes on. Yeah, good stuff, you don't want to miss.
Speaker 1: He's got stories. Yeah, I'm told I've heard some before. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've heard him all but previously. I should point out
Speaker 1: also that Dave Moore is on the radio broadcast, so
Speaker 1: you'll be hearing them calling correct twelfth season as a
Speaker 1: color analysts, and we have a lot of discussions. But
Speaker 1: this week it's been kind of a crazy week because
Speaker 1: of all the injuries. Yeah, it's like the first maybe
Speaker 1: you'll even days of training camp. I think our trainers
Speaker 1: were stealing money. They just didn't have much to do.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then I don't know if the field
Speaker 1: was booby trapped or a bomb went off or something yesterday,
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden that training was full. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm exagering. Let I say, seven or
Speaker 1: eight guys left practice. You mentioned that, and I like, wow,
Speaker 1: But if you just go to the old line, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the main problem. And as coach Cutter's pointed out,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but the last few years,
Speaker 1: when guys get hurt, it tends to concentrate on one position.
Speaker 1: Like remember two thousand and sixteen, Like the whole defensive
Speaker 1: line was hurt, and uh, we went to Carolina. We
Speaker 1: had basically the entire defensive line was injured, and guys
Speaker 1: like Davante Lambert and changing War we're stepping in and
Speaker 1: really and we won that game. It was it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Next man, Yeah, that was definitely the definition
Speaker 1: of that. So this time it's the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: specifically the right side of the offensive line. Um DeMar
Speaker 1: Dutson is actually doing a little bit more every day,
Speaker 1: so that's going in the right direction. I saw him
Speaker 1: running when they were doing gas. He was running. He
Speaker 1: wasn't running with everybody, but he was running on this well,
Speaker 1: and he's starting to take eleven on eleven snaps now,
Speaker 1: which they were keeping him out of it before were
Speaker 1: because people end up on the ground, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had the knee surgery and you don't want to
Speaker 1: risk and tripping over somebody. And the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is it is it his training camp. It is preseasons,
Speaker 1: so and if you're if you're nicked a little bit,
Speaker 1: they hold. But then Leonard Wester got hurt who was
Speaker 1: taking his snaps dots and snaps, and then Cole Garter
Speaker 1: stepped in to take the snaps and he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Caleb Binnoock of the right guard has been out, although
Speaker 1: he came back to practice because our defensive line is
Speaker 1: beefed up so well that that's possible. Yeah, I mean, um,
Speaker 1: the coach Cutters missed that several times. We see on
Speaker 1: paper this defensive line looks a lot better, you know,
Speaker 1: but we still are you still I'm still just a
Speaker 1: little nervous. I want to you know, it has to
Speaker 1: translate on the field, and I'm nervous about it happening.
Speaker 1: But then I hear coach saying he stands back there,
Speaker 1: he's the guy that has to decide whether it plays
Speaker 1: a sack and to blow the whistle or not, because
Speaker 1: they're not gonna really hit the quarterback, but the quick
Speaker 1: the d line gets close and they want to sack,
Speaker 1: and of course the offense is no no, I got
Speaker 1: away from it. But he has to decide, and so
Speaker 1: he says he said the other day standing back there
Speaker 1: watching that that pass rush is no joke. And for
Speaker 1: him to say something like that, you know, there's he's
Speaker 1: not volunteering that, he's not going to tip his hand
Speaker 1: on anything well, and he's not going to get too
Speaker 1: effusive in praise at this time of the year either.
Speaker 1: He know, and he offenses things like could come on Grimes.
Speaker 1: We've had five practices so far. We don't really can't
Speaker 1: really give you a judgment on that yet. But for
Speaker 1: him to say that meant something you know, you bring up.
Speaker 1: Don't get too excited. It's very very early. But my
Speaker 1: takeaway from this training camp are our corners. I am
Speaker 1: truly excited about what I have been seeing. For for
Speaker 1: what it's worth, Um, you have Brett Grimes. What more
Speaker 1: can you say? He has a really practiced very much,
Speaker 1: but he's a veteran and sometimes I take that as
Speaker 1: what are you going to teach him? Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need any more practice. Um, but I think Vernon Hargraves
Speaker 1: is stepping up. I think he's stepping up. But but
Speaker 1: the sleepers M J. Stewart, Well, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can call him sleeper anymore. Jeff makes him play every
Speaker 1: day in practice. What what's so funny about definition of sleeper?
Speaker 1: You're not expecting it to happen. You didn't expect it's
Speaker 1: a second und drop pick. I understand that, but I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always look at where you get drafted. That's just
Speaker 1: a grade, okay, because if because if if if if
Speaker 1: every time you drafted something like in the first round
Speaker 1: or the second round, and they were all hits. I've
Speaker 1: been around here before. We drafted a second round quarterback
Speaker 1: of fe years back and Jonathan Banks, and he was
Speaker 1: a great guy. But you can't really say that worked
Speaker 1: out in the long run. It didn't really work on
Speaker 1: long you proved my play, I know. But we also
Speaker 1: drafted Brian Kelly in the second round and that worked
Speaker 1: out well, that worked very well. So anyway, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just quibbling, But You're right. M J. Stewart
Speaker 1: has been fantastic. And what amazed me was you were
Speaker 1: the one that said name a day that he hasn't
Speaker 1: made a spectno play. It happens every day. But where
Speaker 1: is he gonna play? I mean, Vernon Hargraves is starting
Speaker 1: the slot right now, and if anybody's gonna unseat one
Speaker 1: of the veterans as the other outside guy across from
Speaker 1: burn crimes is probably gonna be Carlton Davis because he's
Speaker 1: playing outside and doing well. He's doing really well. That
Speaker 1: was the next name I was gonna bring. M J.
Speaker 1: Stewart's gonna play this year, but it's not clear right
Speaker 1: now the past to that playing time. And I don't
Speaker 1: think it hurts us to to have solid backups and
Speaker 1: keep people fresh, because if I were remember right, we
Speaker 1: struggled in the fourth quarter last year in games where
Speaker 1: you had the lead and it well and and the
Speaker 1: depth was tested as it is every year a quarterback,
Speaker 1: and if you don't have good depth and you're exposed
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and you know there were games where guys
Speaker 1: were wide open. Uh so yeah, the cornerback depth is
Speaker 1: something I harp on all the time. So That's why
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping on here. I like it. I like it,
Speaker 1: but because I can't wait to be proven correct. Let
Speaker 1: me get back to the offensive line, because the Bucks
Speaker 1: are gonna play game tomorrow UM in Miami, and they
Speaker 1: have a very unusual situation to deal with in the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you're trying to prepare, you're essentially trying to
Speaker 1: get two starters ready. Ryan fitzpet is gonna start those
Speaker 1: first three games, so he has to be prepared. Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston is not going to be able to practice during
Speaker 1: those first three weeks while he's on his suspension, so
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get him ready, you kind of got
Speaker 1: to do some of that now. And then you got
Speaker 1: Ryan Griffin, who as nominally the third string probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: get a lot of playing time, but he's once he's
Speaker 1: one very much. He's one injury to to Fitzpatrick away
Speaker 1: from starting, so you've got to get him a little more.
Speaker 1: And if you had two guys that kind of feel
Speaker 1: like our starters, you generally want to play your starting
Speaker 1: quarterback behind your starting offensive line. That's been the case.
Speaker 1: But we can't leave our starting offensive line out there
Speaker 1: for double their reps, So somebody, how much are you
Speaker 1: gonna play? James Coach keeps saying there's a plan, and
Speaker 1: of course there is. He definitely has a plan, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't shared what it is yet. So beyond Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's starting tomorrow night, we're gonna walk into the game,
Speaker 1: you and me and every been in all analyists not
Speaker 1: knowing what to expect from the course the quarterbacks, that's
Speaker 1: one of the main things to watch, and the injuries
Speaker 1: to the offensive line exacerbate that problem and just make
Speaker 1: it's a complicating matter. I do like the fact that
Speaker 1: h Dirk Cutter has been putting Jamis with the second
Speaker 1: string so to speak, or your backups, or however you
Speaker 1: want to call it. I like that. I like that
Speaker 1: thought process because if you're a great quarterback, you elevate
Speaker 1: the play around you, and so I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of like that fact that sometimes you're not going
Speaker 1: to have your best guy in at all times, your
Speaker 1: old line and receive, you're not going to have all
Speaker 1: the all your stars, so to say. In there like
Speaker 1: that with the depth this team has a wide, wide
Speaker 1: receiver and tight end even when you're playing with the
Speaker 1: second and third stringers. You're playing with some pretty good
Speaker 1: players out there. I think it's the offensive line that's
Speaker 1: little bar and more. I think probably the one position
Speaker 1: I think we're solid at his tight end and wide receiver. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think anybody can really get into
Speaker 1: that now I want to do. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a let me depart a little bit from what we
Speaker 1: were just talking about, because I wanted to get to
Speaker 1: this before we finish this first segment. Did you see
Speaker 1: the thing about the new sliding diving rule. I did,
Speaker 1: but I don't fully understand. Well, it's easy to understand
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of what it's attended for, and that's
Speaker 1: quarterback protection. So previously, if the quarterback wanted to give
Speaker 1: himself up and therefore not be eligibly hit, you know
Speaker 1: he's scrambling, but before he has to slide feet first,
Speaker 1: and then the guys know not to hit him. But
Speaker 1: if you were to dive head first, which we've seen
Speaker 1: Jami's do plenty of times, you're still in play, You're
Speaker 1: you're gaining those yards, and so they they'll hit you. Well,
Speaker 1: they change that now. So if you are giving yourself
Speaker 1: up and you dive head first, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: The play is still dead. They're not supposed to hit you,
Speaker 1: and it's marked from the point you started the dive.
Speaker 1: So when you leave your feet, yeah, when you start
Speaker 1: your head first dive, they're gonna market back where you
Speaker 1: were is you started it. Is that just for the
Speaker 1: quarterback or is that for anybody? I think it can't
Speaker 1: be just for the quarterback, I think, And I asked
Speaker 1: coach about today and he was explaining that it's not
Speaker 1: that much different because you know, basically, like they're saying,
Speaker 1: if any're part of your body, like your knee or
Speaker 1: something that's down, you're not getting those extra yards anyway.
Speaker 1: But the way I was reading the rule, it sounds
Speaker 1: like when you start to dive, you can't take the
Speaker 1: dive out of the game. You have to be able
Speaker 1: to what work done. Diving at a pylon and St.
Speaker 1: Louis fur touched on him and players do that all
Speaker 1: the time. So isn't there a gray area here where
Speaker 1: the ref has his side if he was diving for
Speaker 1: gain or diving to give himself up interpretation, and that's
Speaker 1: going to get us in trouble. That's what I'm worried
Speaker 1: everybody's worried about the helmet rule for good reason. In
Speaker 1: any new rule where it involves something knew that the
Speaker 1: referees have to interpret on the spot, and it really
Speaker 1: wouldn't be open to review if it's their interpretation, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be open to review. When we had the
Speaker 1: refs here, right, uh, they'd come in and have coffee
Speaker 1: and get ready to go out. And I had a
Speaker 1: couple of conversations with them, and they're doing their homework.
Speaker 1: They really are working hard, and it's it's an interesting
Speaker 1: dynamic because if you talk to them as a group,
Speaker 1: it seems like the message is the same, but if
Speaker 1: you talk to them on an individual basis, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, interpretation will always be And so so
Speaker 1: if you have this one crew and they they believe
Speaker 1: this is the way it should go, but you have
Speaker 1: another crew and they think this is the way to go.
Speaker 1: So now you're gonna be looking at games and instead
Speaker 1: of looking at starting quarterbacks, we're gonna be looking at
Speaker 1: who the officials are and you know what you can
Speaker 1: do to know what you can do, And that's true
Speaker 1: with the helmet rule too. It's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be strange. But I don't like this diving rule. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand why a quarterback would want to die
Speaker 1: head first rather than slide feet first. If they're not
Speaker 1: gaining any more yardage by diving, because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: spotted where he starts to dive, Aren't you putting yourself
Speaker 1: in more danger? Because sometimes even though you give yourself up,
Speaker 1: players still hit you. They might get a flag. So
Speaker 1: if you're if you're sliding feet first, you get hit,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be worse if you're diving
Speaker 1: head first. Right, Why would a quarterback choose to dive
Speaker 1: head first to give himself phone? Not a smart player,
Speaker 1: because now you're gonna get helmet to helmet, whether it's intentional.
Speaker 1: And these guys have been trained all their life to know,
Speaker 1: Oh the guy slid his feet, you know, pull up,
Speaker 1: fly over. But if he dives head first, I'm hitting
Speaker 1: the guy. And it's gonna be hard for them to
Speaker 1: not do that in the moment, at least at least
Speaker 1: for a while. It'll be fun. The first few preseason games.
Speaker 1: I did watch the Hall of Fame game, and I
Speaker 1: didn't think penalties were that bad. I's you know, I was,
Speaker 1: and I was mainly watching that game just to see
Speaker 1: how they were going. And there were three of those
Speaker 1: helmet calls and one was. Two of them were pretty
Speaker 1: one was a little. But I mean you can you
Speaker 1: can live with one call and that's a little if
Speaker 1: so now it is as the rules changed. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's all for player safety and what do you understand that?
Speaker 1: And that's very good. Everybody agrees with that, just like
Speaker 1: you know, you notice that we had Rhonda and Davon
Speaker 1: here the last two weeks. I did what you did,
Speaker 1: not that you're very observer, Jeff. Nothing's getting by. One
Speaker 1: of these days, we're gonna we're gonna put together a
Speaker 1: real good podcast. Um. And we asked them about training
Speaker 1: camp because it was so different in their days, and
Speaker 1: both of them me like, but it's for the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not they're not saying all these young
Speaker 1: kids today they're so soft, they don't know what they
Speaker 1: have to go through. Well, they're not saying it on
Speaker 1: our body, but I've been around the block a few times.
Speaker 1: But they are acknowledging that it's this trend in the
Speaker 1: right direct, Isn't isn't that the way it works, no
Speaker 1: matter what generation, no matter what next one. If you
Speaker 1: ask me about broadcasting, kids these days, they don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with tape and razor blades to do edits.
Speaker 1: They automatically can do it from your desk. You're not
Speaker 1: in a big student, you know. No, I'm still too
Speaker 1: young to be worried about the next year. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: that far But it wouldn't that far ago. You may,
Speaker 1: you may. These writers today are so soft. Yeah. Remember
Speaker 1: remember when you used to have a cassette machine to
Speaker 1: do you know, I had to do your quotes than
Speaker 1: digital I have to. I used to have to chisel
Speaker 1: out the game notes on a slate. Now, honestly, I
Speaker 1: will say this my first year I was a PR
Speaker 1: guy here. First, my first year in ninety two was
Speaker 1: the first year that we started doing the roster on
Speaker 1: a PC. Before that, Rick Odioso, the PR director at
Speaker 1: the time, would type the roster on a typewriter, so
Speaker 1: anytime you change the roster, you had to retype the
Speaker 1: entire thing. I also, I also remember, and it's not
Speaker 1: that long ago, it is and it isn't. But um,
Speaker 1: would you get your game book whirling? Yeah? You spun it,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you're in third. It was fast, yes,
Speaker 1: but it didn't print very well. But it was heavy too, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was those were the good old days, right, what
Speaker 1: do you think you Yeah, our next guest, and well,
Speaker 1: let's let's finish up here and do a real quick
Speaker 1: segment because we always do our second segment and remember
Speaker 1: that time, you know where we kind of reminisce. Okay,
Speaker 1: and and then we'll bring in Dave Moore. All right, okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll be back in just a minute. The Salty Dogs.
Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm Scott
Speaker 1: Smith and again I am me Jeff Ryan. If you
Speaker 1: think if you don't know my voice by now, then
Speaker 1: forget it. That's a good point, um, So Jeff, on
Speaker 1: our second segment here, we always always, I say always.
Speaker 1: This is the second one we've ever done. We shall
Speaker 1: so we shall always do a remember that time. And
Speaker 1: it's sort of related to the team we're about to play.
Speaker 1: Last year. Last week we just did training camp. So
Speaker 1: we're playing the Dolphins. So give me a dolphin memory.
Speaker 1: The best dolphin memory I have is, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't enjoy um. The stadium is a broadcast.
Speaker 1: The stadium is really beautiful, and for somehow they managed
Speaker 1: to build a beautiful stadium and make the broadcast booth
Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL. Yes, I sent it down
Speaker 1: if they actually surpassed the Oakland College to see him,
Speaker 1: and that's not easy to do. It's just very cumbersome.
Speaker 1: You're in the corner, you're on the opposite side. It's
Speaker 1: it's very compass. But that's now. But in nineties seven,
Speaker 1: we were on the fifty yard line. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to give them props. At one time they had it
Speaker 1: right where. This must have been in the preseason because
Speaker 1: I played Miami here. It was well then, it was
Speaker 1: part of that maybe you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: a game in it was in the mid nineties, all
Speaker 1: right in the middle. Let me back it up. We
Speaker 1: were winning, so I would say nineties in there and
Speaker 1: it was pouring down rain, just had all this, okay,
Speaker 1: all this rain, all this, I mean, just nasty, nasty nasid.
Speaker 1: The game where Jamie Duncan intercepted the past. Thank you,
Speaker 1: my years are running together, but Jamie, Jamie Duncan intercepts
Speaker 1: the past and runs it back. That's part of the story.
Speaker 1: This is part of the stuff than you're like a
Speaker 1: season broadcasting. That's what a partner does. Appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: Jamie dunk you want to tell the story. That's all
Speaker 1: I got. Okay, So Jamie duncan it makes the interception. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he's running down the field. Gene decker Off jumps
Speaker 1: up and the booth has glass, and he jumps up
Speaker 1: and he is as he's describing the play, he's on
Speaker 1: the glass. And when we score you, he's going touchdown, talent,
Speaker 1: and the glass is going like this. And and at
Speaker 1: that moment, I realized how involved Jane gets into a
Speaker 1: game and how excited he gets in the game. That's
Speaker 1: the best Miami story I have. And we did win that.
Speaker 1: We did win that game. Grammatica made two field goals
Speaker 1: and the game you bring up was part of the five.
Speaker 1: Yes he was hearing. The thing about that game that
Speaker 1: was interesting was the Bucks did not punt a single time.
Speaker 1: I know, and that's only happened a couple of times
Speaker 1: in team history. Uh. One time. It happened way back
Speaker 1: in the early nineties when Dantus Against was our punter
Speaker 1: and I was a young pr guy. Uh. And going
Speaker 1: through the locker room thinking I'm funny, and I said,
Speaker 1: dann uh, pretty easy game for you yesterday. Huh. He
Speaker 1: did not think that was funny. He didn't think it
Speaker 1: was I thought it was harmless. I remember he gave
Speaker 1: me a very sarcastic At least you did say you
Speaker 1: don't have to get your uniform cleaned. Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, we don't want to spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time on us because our guests is going
Speaker 1: to have a lot to reminisce about, especially because he
Speaker 1: has Miami connections too. But I remember my first year here,
Speaker 1: we went down there in the preseason and it was
Speaker 1: literally like right after Hurricane Charlie had pros like the
Speaker 1: deck day or two days later, and you're driving down
Speaker 1: the road and most everything was dark, nothing was open.
Speaker 1: There were trees across the road, and it felt like
Speaker 1: you were in a what you were in a disaster
Speaker 1: zone to some extent. And I just remember because it
Speaker 1: was like that might have been my first road trip
Speaker 1: ever in the NFL, and we went down there and
Speaker 1: it was that's stuck with me ever since. Not a
Speaker 1: fun trip. I am not a that's that's not one
Speaker 1: of my favorite favorite road trips. But uh well really yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quick though it is. It's quick. It's easy. Remember
Speaker 1: one time with Sam with Tony dung Jew we went
Speaker 1: down there in the preseason on the same day we
Speaker 1: didn't go the night before, Gret we flew in and
Speaker 1: then dating stay at Hotel yep, and then that was weird.
Speaker 1: We'd also did death for Jacksonville one day. We did
Speaker 1: it by bus by bus. That's right, all right, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Like I said, our next guests will help us with
Speaker 1: all this reminiscing and also maybe give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of how he feels about the team right now.
Speaker 1: And that's Dave Moore, the long time tight end and
Speaker 1: long snapper. And we'll be back just a minute with
Speaker 1: Dave the Salty Dogs. Welcome back to the Salty Dogs Podcast,
Speaker 1: our second onever. I'm Scott Smith and yeah you are
Speaker 1: and you and you are. I am Jeff Right, And
Speaker 1: we had to screw our chairs apart a little bit
Speaker 1: to uh fit another guy in here, the guy that
Speaker 1: Buck fans know very well. And I think he's here
Speaker 1: because he just couldn't get enough training camp, Like you
Speaker 1: missed training camp, right right, Dave not so much, not
Speaker 1: at all, not even a little bit. Now. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: when you retire, you missed the guys in the atmosphere
Speaker 1: around training camp. You know, the conversations in between, the
Speaker 1: constant complaining about how your body feels and how to
Speaker 1: coaches at Germany everything else. But uh, you don't miss
Speaker 1: the soreness. And you know things have changed obviously because
Speaker 1: of the c B A and things like that on
Speaker 1: structures of practice and how many can have. But you know,
Speaker 1: when my first year I got drafted by the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and we were full pads every morning, and then from
Speaker 1: one to two thirty was helmets only, and then four
Speaker 1: to six thirty was shoulder pads and helmets. It was
Speaker 1: three days and really two in pads per day, which
Speaker 1: you know is a little bit different than it is now,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, I think obviously it's a little The
Speaker 1: key is to be healthy on game day, not beat
Speaker 1: to death from five weeks. So you stayed with the
Speaker 1: Dolphins through training camp? I did. I was with the
Speaker 1: Dolphins and at the end a training camp. Um at
Speaker 1: that time it was a forty five man rostert man roster.
Speaker 1: Yet this is way back in so you know, really
Speaker 1: today it's still the same. You can drast forty six guys,
Speaker 1: but you can carry fifty three on the roster. At
Speaker 1: that time, it was forty six guys, but injured reserve
Speaker 1: was only four weeks long, so guys would kind of
Speaker 1: come on and off of the roster, come on and
Speaker 1: off a practice squad. And at that time I had
Speaker 1: beat the backup tight end, uh was Greg Batty. He
Speaker 1: was a Stanford guy, but he was a starting long
Speaker 1: snapper behind Phararell Edmonds. So Don Shula when he let
Speaker 1: me go, said we gotta put you on a practice
Speaker 1: squad and then, uh, you know, you need to be
Speaker 1: available and ready. You gotta sit in installation meetings and
Speaker 1: a game plan because if um, Pharrell Edmund and start
Speaker 1: tight end goes down, we're gonna activate you to play
Speaker 1: tight end, but we can't keep you on the roster
Speaker 1: because we only have forty six spots and that backup
Speaker 1: tight end happens to be to starting. Well. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: college head coach told me, uh, probably my junior year
Speaker 1: that I could make myself more valuable if I learned
Speaker 1: how to snap and that pit we had a full
Speaker 1: time snapper, um, and that's all he did, so I
Speaker 1: learned as kind of the emergency guy for that, and
Speaker 1: I you know, and I snapped at the combine and
Speaker 1: I snapped that workouts for teams. And Mike west Off
Speaker 1: was the longtime special team coach down there, and when
Speaker 1: he came up the pit, he had me snap and
Speaker 1: told me, you know that he thought he could help me,
Speaker 1: um get better at that. And then once I got
Speaker 1: drafted down there, we worked at it. But I was
Speaker 1: at that point I wasn't good enough to beat the
Speaker 1: guy that had been there, so I got kind of
Speaker 1: got caught in the numbers thing a little bit. And
Speaker 1: then uh but I hung out in Miami pretty much
Speaker 1: for the balances or the most of that season. I've
Speaker 1: heard this story and I love this story. It's a
Speaker 1: great story. So oh you love it because it was entertaining. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's pretty mortified for me. It's it's a great inside look.
Speaker 1: You know, this is way before a hard knocks, So
Speaker 1: UM tell that story that faithful day when Don Shula
Speaker 1: called you into your office. Either first of all, the
Speaker 1: the the entire training camp down there was kind of
Speaker 1: thrown off by Hurricane Andrew. So here I am down here,
Speaker 1: I am trying to learn what I'm supposed to be doing,
Speaker 1: be where I'm supposed to be, be at my three
Speaker 1: practices a day, and stay out of trouble. And then
Speaker 1: we get thrown completely out of whack because St. Thomas University.
Speaker 1: So last year their camp was down there. Um it
Speaker 1: was all glass at the dorms and everything else. So
Speaker 1: after the hurricane, we had to relocate everything to the stadium.
Speaker 1: We were off for three days because there wasn't power anywhere.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we're getting ready for the last
Speaker 1: preseason game, and there's all kinds of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to continue to do what I'm doing anyway.
Speaker 1: We get to the fields, we get to get this
Speaker 1: dancing quite nice. We get we get to the final
Speaker 1: cut day and you know, uh, we had a meeting
Speaker 1: at you know, ten o'clour, one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: So I guess they had all their meetings and decided
Speaker 1: to do so. When I was I stopped the burger
Speaker 1: King on my way to to the facility to the stadium,
Speaker 1: I guess, so as I get my stuff together, I
Speaker 1: have a cheeseburger in my hand, on my backpack on
Speaker 1: and I'm walking into the locker room and you know,
Speaker 1: of course they always have the grim Reaper guy running around.
Speaker 1: So he's like, he comes up to me and I'm
Speaker 1: literally have a cheeseburger my hand and my backpack on.
Speaker 1: He says, coach, all, I wants to see you, so
Speaker 1: obviously I know what's going on. So I walk in again,
Speaker 1: still got the cheeseburg in my hand and my backpack on.
Speaker 1: I didn't even take my backpack off. I sat down
Speaker 1: and he said listen, and he explained to me that,
Speaker 1: you know, we we need to keep you around and
Speaker 1: available in case some happens. A fair headman, but Craig
Speaker 1: baby's a starter, and you know, we're gonna keep an
Speaker 1: extra linebacker rather an extra tight end, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: cut you. We're gonna let you clear waivers, and I
Speaker 1: want you to come back tomorrow morning. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: and I took a bite of my cheeseburger. That was
Speaker 1: a mistake. He stopped and looked at me and he
Speaker 1: started to, you know, kind of fuss, and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, all the years I've been coaching, I've never
Speaker 1: cut a guy. I wouldn't even stop eating his cheeseburger
Speaker 1: for five minutes to let me finish my car. We
Speaker 1: you know, I was a nervous wreck. You know, you're
Speaker 1: I am out of college. That was really the first
Speaker 1: full conversation I ever had with Don Shula And this
Speaker 1: is literally comfortable. What's what's it? What's funny is you know,
Speaker 1: a few years down the road, Mike shula Um comes
Speaker 1: here as the offensive coordinator and he brought you cheeseburger
Speaker 1: and no and no. He walked up to me one
Speaker 1: day and says, you know, I was talking to my
Speaker 1: dad the other day and I told him who was
Speaker 1: on the roster, and he said he was the only
Speaker 1: guy I ever cut in the history his long Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame career that wouldn't stop eating his cheeseburger when
Speaker 1: I cut him. So this is actually a pretty memorable
Speaker 1: story for Don Shula. He remembered. It was three or
Speaker 1: four years later and he remembered, well, he was mad.
Speaker 1: He pretty much threw me off his office. If that
Speaker 1: would have made a good for hard knocks, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a nervous track. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I said okay, and I took a plight and then
Speaker 1: he got mad. Did you think you lost your spot
Speaker 1: completely when that happened. I wasn't sure when I came
Speaker 1: in and peeked around the corner the next day to
Speaker 1: make sure my locker was still intact. But then the
Speaker 1: rest is history because you spent fifteen years in the league.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was pretty good cheese. There were some
Speaker 1: guys that got injured along the way, so I got
Speaker 1: activated and deactivated, and then off the practice squad and
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, and then uh, I came hearing
Speaker 1: about November or something, right I did. I came right
Speaker 1: the week before Thanksgiving. UM, and my agent UH left
Speaker 1: the message on when a machine saying I had to
Speaker 1: catch you should tell you who your agent was. This
Speaker 1: another crazy story. Bruce Bruce Allen was his first agent.
Speaker 1: His assistant Eric Mens. I can write a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I can't write this. And then John Gruden was that
Speaker 1: pit with me as a wide receiver coach, and so
Speaker 1: as Mike McCarthy. So was Marvin Lewis, so was John Fox.
Speaker 1: They weren't all together. But over to my four year period,
Speaker 1: you thought we would have a better team. And who
Speaker 1: room and who did you room with? Miami? Miami? At
Speaker 1: Miami when I was at that dolphin training camp I
Speaker 1: was talking about Doug Peterson was my room h Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson was in my apartment one time? Why you brought him?
Speaker 1: I did you? You came to a party I had
Speaker 1: when I was three, and you and him came to
Speaker 1: my party, which was the weirdest thing ever. Well, that's good.
Speaker 1: You just you didn't stay validated my connection. I'm sort
Speaker 1: of thinking you probably should have had better friends than
Speaker 1: the third string pr guy in come along. You recruited
Speaker 1: me for your softball team, that's right. That was really
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players. The best story with with
Speaker 1: Dave and how Dave and I ended up having a
Speaker 1: relationship is that we weren't very good. When we say
Speaker 1: we the Buccaneers weren't very good in the beginning when
Speaker 1: when Dave first came and we do live interviews from
Speaker 1: the locker room, and whoever was the locker room guy
Speaker 1: reported would be in my ear saying no one wants
Speaker 1: to talk, which you understand, you have a lot of defeats.
Speaker 1: It's not going well, and I would say just go
Speaker 1: to Dave Moore davill talk, and Dave didn't. And now
Speaker 1: he's on the radio. Yeah, and the long stepping thing
Speaker 1: worked out too. That actually is how you got to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, correct, And that was Paul Hackett was
Speaker 1: the head coach at Pittum that recommended that I do that,
Speaker 1: and that's something I continued to do. I did it
Speaker 1: as an emergency guy with Sam which Um and then
Speaker 1: when Tony Dungee came in, Um he let ed Brady go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just let him go. And the first mini camp
Speaker 1: he said, you're the snapper, and I'm thinking that back
Speaker 1: in my mind, does he does he not realize I
Speaker 1: never snapped college and I haven't always been the emergency guy.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny because I took him fishing a
Speaker 1: number of years later and I asked that question. I said,
Speaker 1: did you realize when you just gave me the job
Speaker 1: as a snapper that I had never snapped in a
Speaker 1: game like in college or the pros? And he stopped
Speaker 1: fishing and looked over. He goes, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm glad I didn't tell you.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know when I was playing tighty,
Speaker 1: you know, Jackie Harris was the starting tight end and
Speaker 1: I was more of the h backdowns with Mike Shula.
Speaker 1: So I was still on special teams full duty and
Speaker 1: playing tight end, and then Jackie had a series of
Speaker 1: injuries which kind of made me pretty much play. I
Speaker 1: think I played eighty three downs in the playoff game
Speaker 1: against Cream Bay up there, and I was about you
Speaker 1: think I was about two thirty five pounds trying to
Speaker 1: block Reggie White. So your your Pro Bowl came after
Speaker 1: the two thousand and six season, and that was your
Speaker 1: last NFL game ever. It was You know that there's
Speaker 1: three other Bucks who say the same thing. Their last
Speaker 1: game NFL game ever was a Pro Bowl. It would
Speaker 1: be and Lee or Summon. I didn't know that blanket
Speaker 1: on the other one. I question. We always tease, We
Speaker 1: always tease Dave Tony Mary oh nice, nice. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: always teased Dave because, um, when Dave played, of course
Speaker 1: you were you were a he man when you played.
Speaker 1: And now sometimes guys go out very quickly for good reason.
Speaker 1: Business decision, business decision, right. But it was funny with
Speaker 1: with Dave. Is uh you played with a collapse long? Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously I didn't know right right right, You had to
Speaker 1: know what you weren't breathing. Very Yeah, there's no question
Speaker 1: about it and then you ended up three days in
Speaker 1: the hospital after the game. That's terrible. They put it
Speaker 1: just to be in for seventy two hours. We don't
Speaker 1: need to go down that road. But yeah, I took
Speaker 1: a shot from Ed Reid, that's who was. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got me right, We're I had no pads right, had
Speaker 1: my arm out and he caught me underneath it, and
Speaker 1: I thought I just knocked a wind out of me.
Speaker 1: I'm like in there and I'm like waiting to breathe,
Speaker 1: and I'm on the far sideline. You ever watched your
Speaker 1: trainers come out like they're not sprinting there, They're taking
Speaker 1: their time jogging across the field. And I didn't start
Speaker 1: breathing until Todd TORSELLI got to the far sideline, so
Speaker 1: and I needed to breathe. I just ran down the
Speaker 1: field and I'm seeing spots. I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: pass out, and then all I started to breathe real shallow.
Speaker 1: So when we got to the sideline, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting there and they're like bears. I heard on like
Speaker 1: the whole side, this pretty much my whole side. And
Speaker 1: I leaned over and I spit and there was blood
Speaker 1: and I said, I said to Dr v Jack, I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't get hit anywhere. I could be bleeding from
Speaker 1: my mouth. So he's like, you got to get the
Speaker 1: next ray. So then I went into the tunnel and
Speaker 1: we had Deaco Senior and de'ako Jr. Looking at my
Speaker 1: X ray and they're like, I don't see it. I said, good,
Speaker 1: help me get my beds on. They're like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you see your left long You're right long. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be right there. And at the time when they
Speaker 1: said I don't see it, lung or something. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know they were looking at a well, that's why
Speaker 1: their doctors. And if as a player, there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go. So before you go, did you ever
Speaker 1: get caught up in the prank wars like with All
Speaker 1: Star Jet That, yeah, Jeb Terry, there was another guy,
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. He had a tattoo of Italy
Speaker 1: on his arm. Him. No, he was a defensive lineman. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's from Wisconsin, I think, And anyway, yeah, but Jeff Terry,
Speaker 1: like you know, as an older guy. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait the Italian guy with Italy are they what
Speaker 1: stories that it's the same thing with the prank story.
Speaker 1: You know, like these guys Mike all Star would tell
Speaker 1: Jeb to go get him a Gator eight or something.
Speaker 1: That's an older guy at the rookies, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: and then Jeb being a smart al, he draws a
Speaker 1: map on a piece of paper from Mike's locker to
Speaker 1: the cooler where the gatorides are. That's that's fine, you know.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know Jeb, Mike, Well, Mike and I
Speaker 1: on the way out of the parking lot took the
Speaker 1: hood of his truck off of his car when he
Speaker 1: was in meetings, off of his He loved his loved it.
Speaker 1: He all talked about was his truck of spotless. So
Speaker 1: we went took his keys, popped the hood, disconnected. It's
Speaker 1: it's amazing how quick need tools for that. Mike, Mike
Speaker 1: had a for everything, you know what I mean? I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we left Paul Kelly's car on box was colors and
Speaker 1: we hung him over to go post but with Yeah,
Speaker 1: we took his hood and then we put it on
Speaker 1: you know, the lock of the old lockers. So he
Speaker 1: came out like it was in shock, was freaking out
Speaker 1: that we were messing with his trucks, and then of
Speaker 1: course he turned around and got plywood and a ton
Speaker 1: of screws and screwed our lockers shut so we couldn't
Speaker 1: get their equipment. I don't know what, kid, you could
Speaker 1: do that now. I mean, I wouldn't go drilling holes
Speaker 1: in this facility. The other one nobody even noticed, probably
Speaker 1: made it look better, perforated a little bit. Well, you'll
Speaker 1: be ready to go down to Miami day. What you're
Speaker 1: looking for in the first preseason game, Well, I think
Speaker 1: you know that there's a lot of consistencies early in preseason,
Speaker 1: so the mechanics getting on and off the field, with substitution,
Speaker 1: with special teams, and you're dealing with a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: um and from a player mentality, it's all over the
Speaker 1: board because the guys that are coming back or you know,
Speaker 1: basically going through the mechanics of pregame, going out, warming up,
Speaker 1: and depending on you know, your position, if you're starting,
Speaker 1: if you're not, it's a little bit different, you know,
Speaker 1: but you want to see good tackling on defense because
Speaker 1: it's the first opportunity canna have at the tackle live. Um,
Speaker 1: when you evaluate the young guys, you try to keep
Speaker 1: it very simple offensive defense, very vanilla, so that they
Speaker 1: understand what they're doing, so that you can fairly evaluate them.
Speaker 1: Nobody can play full speed if they don't understand what
Speaker 1: their responsibilities are. Um. But the thing is just to
Speaker 1: be clean. You know. You get a lot of those penalties,
Speaker 1: a lot of sloppy play early on, but there's there's
Speaker 1: things that are going to improve as you get that
Speaker 1: game speed uh play leading up to the regular season.
Speaker 1: So you know, for some guys, a young guy trying
Speaker 1: to make a statement, you're enevil to be going to
Speaker 1: see a late hit because of his you know, will
Speaker 1: to want to make a play rather than play within
Speaker 1: the rules of the game. So there's the late hit,
Speaker 1: there's the you know that, the stupid penalties holding you know,
Speaker 1: so you just want to avoid the sloppy play. You
Speaker 1: want to be Chris. We want to see the first team,
Speaker 1: if they're out there at all, just execute the play
Speaker 1: as well. But from the buckstandpoint, you know, what we're
Speaker 1: looking for I think personally is just better play and
Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive line. You know, I think we
Speaker 1: struggled running the ball when we needed to. We struggled
Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback when we needed to. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the last two Super Bowls, you
Speaker 1: don't think pass rush defense is important, you know, getting
Speaker 1: to the quarterback and limiting the time they have, and
Speaker 1: then ball control and offense. I think Jamie's I think
Speaker 1: any quarterback you put that back, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a better quarterback when they have the ability to run
Speaker 1: the ball. Well, look forward to having you back in
Speaker 1: the broadcast booth with twelve. Looking forward to a twelfth season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's overall with the bucks and one compass in
Speaker 1: your own. We're getting old scot you both. That's why
Speaker 1: we're called the Salty Days. I think they called us
Speaker 1: that because we're old. We figure that out. I figured
Speaker 1: we swear like drunken sailors, and that's why they call
Speaker 1: us that. But that's a whole other story. They appreciate
Speaker 1: you know, you're only our second guest ever, so you're
Speaker 1: in a very special club, right right, Who was the
Speaker 1: first day? Yeah? That's all right. So well we appreciate
Speaker 1: we appreciate you taking your time for more resources. The
Speaker 1: insurance business, I know is pure excitement. Yeah, so, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time out and sign a
Speaker 1: few policies on your way out and he'll be good
Speaker 1: to go. Absolutely. Thanks, thanks, Thanks guys, the Salty Dogs
Speaker 1: welcome back bucking your fans and anybody that's stumbled across
Speaker 1: us by accident. Yes, as we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: we're glad you're joining. We're in our last segment here
Speaker 1: and um, we're going to answer a fans questions and
Speaker 1: I'm operating blind because I have not seen any of
Speaker 1: these questions. It's not fair. I have to I do,
Speaker 1: especially for the sect you so enjoy, when it's not
Speaker 1: for I have to level the playing field somehow because
Speaker 1: you've got all the technical expertise here so far. So
Speaker 1: turn up my base, Jeff. I'll say this is if
Speaker 1: you're hearing us, I did the job. Continue so um
Speaker 1: and if you're not, then nobody will ever know Dave
Speaker 1: left his glasses. Um okay, So uh, as I said
Speaker 1: last week, and are you can send uh emails questions
Speaker 1: to us at It doesn't even have be a question.
Speaker 1: You can just insult us or something whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do, Salty Dogs at Buccaneers dot NFL dot com. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know we're just getting started. So that mailbox was
Speaker 1: not exactly jam packed this week, jof, but I did
Speaker 1: get two questions, so chance that if you sent me
Speaker 1: a question, it's getting read here today fire away. All right,
Speaker 1: Scott and Jeff, thank you for bringing us the podcast.
Speaker 1: Three exclamation points than love it and all things Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: Awesome show and great interview with RB twenty. That would
Speaker 1: be roddey for him as well. My question for the
Speaker 1: next show is could Alan cross step into a position
Speaker 1: of being a battering ram the way that all Stott
Speaker 1: was for us. He seems to be very talented and
Speaker 1: pretty stout. Thank you, Michael Cameron. I wonder if he'd
Speaker 1: like being called stout. He is stout, though I feel
Speaker 1: like that's sort of a coded way to say big.
Speaker 1: You know, he's you're, you're your child is a little stout.
Speaker 1: Well back in the day you would say he's husky husky.
Speaker 1: He's not husky, though, I think stout is a better word. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a well put together guy and a surprising and
Speaker 1: good athlete. Not surprising, he's in the felt, but he's good.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's good at everything. I could actually
Speaker 1: see him if you wanted to say that role of
Speaker 1: Mike call Stott. I could see him doing that. See,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that's basically gone from
Speaker 1: the NFL um not big backs in general. But when
Speaker 1: you talk about Michael Stop being a battering ram, he
Speaker 1: talked about him being a battering ram around the goal
Speaker 1: line with the ball in his hand, not not I
Speaker 1: mean he did lead block. But what do you think
Speaker 1: of what was Michael starts great strength? It was running
Speaker 1: the ball and his incredible balance and the fact that
Speaker 1: he could against Cleveland would he have break eight tackles?
Speaker 1: And I think he had unbelievable look like a pinball game.
Speaker 1: Well and sometimes and it happened on that run he'd
Speaker 1: get hit from the side and he'd used the hit.
Speaker 1: He was he was starting to fall down and the
Speaker 1: hit would help him get back up because he had
Speaker 1: just for such ridiculous balance. I think that's the most
Speaker 1: underrated thing about Everybody thinks about Michael Starts power, but
Speaker 1: it was his balance. Let me rephrase it. Then, if
Speaker 1: Alan Cross played when Mike all Stopped played, yes, would
Speaker 1: he be that kind of guy because he's not. He's
Speaker 1: never been a ball carrier. I mean that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1: And I think if you if you take a guy
Speaker 1: who's not been a ball carrier and just ask him
Speaker 1: run the ball every now and then you're you're playing
Speaker 1: with fire. That's when fumbles happened. So I don't see
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, he is and can be a
Speaker 1: good lead blocker, and that's what they're using for um,
Speaker 1: but I don't see him being and I don't Mike also,
Speaker 1: and he's one of the funniest guys on the team.
Speaker 1: He's got great stories. We should have him on that
Speaker 1: just and then we will ask him that question. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: second question and the last thing we're gonna do you
Speaker 1: here on the podcast today, Yo, salty dogs. I listened
Speaker 1: to the first podcast, and yeah, I think salty dogs
Speaker 1: means you're old. I guess he's right, all right. I
Speaker 1: mean you guys were telling stories from the Sandwhite era,
Speaker 1: kind of dating yourself there. So I don't remember what
Speaker 1: we talked about. Oh I talked about him yelling mouthing
Speaker 1: at would you would you not just say we enjoy history,
Speaker 1: we you know, we lived it. Unfortunately, well there's that,
Speaker 1: but we also could have read so so anyway, okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's through in salts now. So anyway, dip
Speaker 1: into all that old guy knowledge. Okay, there's another one,
Speaker 1: and answer me this. If you were going to take
Speaker 1: a cross country road trip with three buccaneers from any era,
Speaker 1: who would you have in that car? If they passed
Speaker 1: onto the big pirate ship and this guy, you can
Speaker 1: still choose them. Unfortunately, there's not a ton of people
Speaker 1: in that category. We'll say we're bringing them back for
Speaker 1: one last hurrah. I guess you can choose coaches too,
Speaker 1: But this is a long question, but that seems too easy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guessing Groden could tell stories for at
Speaker 1: least two or three states. That's a good point, So
Speaker 1: maybe try to keep it to one coach if you
Speaker 1: choose one. Also, what kind of car are you driving? Thanks?
Speaker 1: I sure hope there's a second Salty Dogs episode or
Speaker 1: this awesome question is going to go to way so
Speaker 1: well there is, So there you go, Dave, so just David.
Speaker 1: In fact, it says Dave, just Dave? Is is it
Speaker 1: three guys in the same car? Are you and three
Speaker 1: guys in the car in a road trip? See? That's
Speaker 1: hard because I am friends with some people that would
Speaker 1: not get along with who I am friends. You're thinking
Speaker 1: about the inter personal? Really something about I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about if we're all together. Um, one of the
Speaker 1: guys that I would would go with on a road
Speaker 1: trip because I have this is across the entire countries.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like three or four days with these
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been on a boat in the in
Speaker 1: the middle of the yeah, and the dry Tortugas with
Speaker 1: Dave Moore. It's true though, if that's one, well he did,
Speaker 1: he did. We didn't even get to all the stories
Speaker 1: right now, so you're right, that's good. Now he would
Speaker 1: he would be one, um, And I know this, And
Speaker 1: I could do a road trip with Warren Sap and
Speaker 1: laugh all the way and have a great time. But
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get a word in edgewise. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I would still you don't want to do some of
Speaker 1: the talking. I don't know. I think he could be
Speaker 1: a bit divisive. Well, be hard for anybody else. Well
Speaker 1: that's why I said, do you you know, if everybody together?
Speaker 1: But but if I out of my relationships, so you
Speaker 1: gotta try it. Though, you're gonna put David and Warren
Speaker 1: and who else in the car and also what kind
Speaker 1: of car are you driving? And I would take Tony
Speaker 1: Dungee with me because Tony would nullify Warren and and
Speaker 1: then it would all be good in the middle, and
Speaker 1: then we could be and Dave gets along with everybody.
Speaker 1: So then so yes, my three would be Dave Moore,
Speaker 1: Warren Sapp and Tony dunk Well. It's gonna be an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation, I can tell you that. And what kind
Speaker 1: of car are you driving? It's got to be something big,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, I would have to be like a
Speaker 1: big old Lincoln. Yeah, that would ride smooth all the
Speaker 1: way across the Probably since we're gonna be old guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go way back, like a sixty three Lincoln
Speaker 1: with suicide doors. So google it if you want to
Speaker 1: know what that means. Yeah, I'm I might not pick
Speaker 1: a car because I clearly don't know if the carnology
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, So I liked to Dave Moore. I
Speaker 1: had him on my list too. Um, if I had
Speaker 1: a coach, and again we can pick somebody posthumously, Um,
Speaker 1: John McKay. I never never really interacted that much with
Speaker 1: John McKay. He was obviously not the coaching but he's
Speaker 1: around sometime because Rich was here. Um, but from what
Speaker 1: everything I've read, he sounds like he'd be hilarious. See
Speaker 1: now now that you say that Rich McKay is a
Speaker 1: Rich McKay is very funny guy. So he would be
Speaker 1: a great road trip guy. I'm just taking I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm John McKay is back with us, and he's on
Speaker 1: my he's on my road trip. And another guy I
Speaker 1: bet you wouldn't think I would have thought of his
Speaker 1: And I mentioned him earlier when I was talking to
Speaker 1: Dave Moore Tony Mayberry. I always founding Tony hilarious, great guy,
Speaker 1: and he can talk. He's a good talker and I
Speaker 1: always thought he was hilarious. And he's also you know,
Speaker 1: most offensive linemen when they leave the game either go
Speaker 1: one direction or the other. They tend to get bigger
Speaker 1: or a lot smaller defensive lineman too. Tony is in
Speaker 1: great shape. He's a lot thinner than he was as
Speaker 1: a player. Uh, And so there wouldn't be he was
Speaker 1: taking taking up as much terrific. He's all around one
Speaker 1: of the better probably one of the more underrated bucks.
Speaker 1: And then um, you know, not not great channel probably.
Speaker 1: I'm just afraid he would be like he would be
Speaker 1: controlling where we stopped, Like he would be the one
Speaker 1: that gets to the side everything stop. And if I
Speaker 1: didn't like what he chose where we're gonna eat, that
Speaker 1: would be my problem. So, um, I think I might
Speaker 1: also like to take one guy from the current team.
Speaker 1: And you were just talking about him, Pancho Alan cross Is.
Speaker 1: I'd like to he he'd have stories I haven't heard before.
Speaker 1: You know what, I think I want to get in
Speaker 1: your car? No more room. That's a great question because
Speaker 1: if you start looking at all the personalities and and
Speaker 1: you know, you catch you off guard. And I just
Speaker 1: thought of, you know, more of personal relationships that I
Speaker 1: have with people, and not necessarily everybody together, but there's
Speaker 1: some really terrific there's some really interesting people that have
Speaker 1: come through, you know who would be fun and we
Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up. But before you you know it
Speaker 1: would be fun. But he said players of coaches, But
Speaker 1: what about Doctacho? I mean riding on the bus with
Speaker 1: him and hearing his stories and hearing him like critique
Speaker 1: movies randomly see But now you're getting I would love
Speaker 1: now that that I think about it, Monty Kiffin would
Speaker 1: be and a half. He was a great I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna get need to get a bus? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be that great question. Yeah, good question, Dave,
Speaker 1: just Davins. Hopefully we get more questions next week. Although
Speaker 1: that was plenty. I mean two questions enough. That was good.
Speaker 1: But we you know, sent him in. We like to
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff. It can be anything you want,
Speaker 1: and we can do current stuff too. We're just not
Speaker 1: what we did. We did the only understand but I
Speaker 1: you know, Dave's kind of irritating me about being you know,
Speaker 1: going back to ninety one, like that's a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, well you got both of us, but five
Speaker 1: six years ago, who was the president at the time,
Speaker 1: and that would have that would have been Bush, the
Speaker 1: first Bush. Yes, so that was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, thank you, and we give our thanks
Speaker 1: to Dave as well. Yes, yes, and so wow I
Speaker 1: am because one of the complaints I got complaints, yes
Speaker 1: about the podcast suggestions suggestions, It was that it just
Speaker 1: kind of sounded like we just ended. So would you
Speaker 1: want to have a musical number before we well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of music, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just say this and you know what sort of ready
Speaker 1: since you did. Thanks for listening,