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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Armstrong and Gatti

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Speaker 1: and no He Armstrong and Hetty.

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Speaker 2: Major questions about Trump's trade war with China and what

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Speaker 2: is really going on. The President claiming that his administration

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Speaker 2: is meeting with Chinese officials to try to get tariff's lowered,

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Speaker 2: but that's not what the Chinese are saying.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese are liars. Back to China in a moment, Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: always have been, always will be. I's just reading Ian

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Speaker 1: Bremer's analysis of the whole tariff China thing. Is this

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Speaker 1: is gonna cause China a great deal of pain short term.

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Speaker 1: Ian says they're gonna benefit from a long benefit from

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Speaker 1: it long term. But I don't know if there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot long term.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I tell you what. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 3: and play the groovy theme first. It's uh, look inside

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Speaker 3: the China Cabinet, Jack, cleverly.

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Speaker 1: China, China.

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Speaker 3: It's a series of stories about our greatest geopolitical adversary.

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Speaker 1: Don't trust China. Oh I see that, don't I see?

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the nation of China as opposed to

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Speaker 1: like the uh. It is commonly referred to as China.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you've caught on Yes, and it's quite a number

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Speaker 3: of stories.

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Speaker 1: Jack. Feel free to comment as you like. We can

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Speaker 1: digress on anyone or just zip through either way. I

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Speaker 1: thought this was interesting, and we'll begin briefly at least

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Speaker 1: with tariffs. You know who's gonna get hit the hardest

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Speaker 1: with the China tariff thing if it continues, which is

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Speaker 1: al of a big if. Who knows is young parent.

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Speaker 1: Everything strollers, cribs, toys, baby products is made in China.

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Speaker 1: An astounding amount of the stuff I bought my Target

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Speaker 1: many times a week are we going to Target to

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Speaker 1: buy things with a baby? But practically everything I'm sure

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Speaker 1: was made in China. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So there are a few countries beside China, with their

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Speaker 3: manufacturing prowess which is undeniable, that can efficiently meet the

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Speaker 3: strictest baby product safety standards on Earth, the American safety standards.

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Speaker 3: China's really good at building strollers that conformed all that stuff,

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Speaker 3: and you know, you can get some crappy toy that

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Speaker 3: from virtually anywhere you know.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to name any countries. I'm not

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Speaker 1: here to disparage anybody, but Malaysia. You want, We're looking

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Speaker 3: But if you want something sturdy and past the safety standards,

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Speaker 3: you're probably going to look to China. So we shall

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Speaker 3: see how that develops. Now onto more serious fair Clearly

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Speaker 3: nobody knows about kin Men Island's island.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an archipelago. It's several islands.

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Speaker 3: Kin Men a Taiwanese archipelago about two miles off the

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Speaker 3: Chinese coast. I'm reminded of recently reading The Cane Mutiny,

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Speaker 3: which is about World War Two, in which a number

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Speaker 3: is how Americans learn geography. Well, we all might learn

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Speaker 3: about kin Men, this series of islands between China and Taiwan.

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Speaker 3: As the Chinese Navy and Coast Guard is getting increasingly

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Speaker 3: belligerent about practically pulling onto their beaches.

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Speaker 1: I know you weren't here a couple fridays ago when

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Speaker 1: your nation needed you. You were watching a golf contest somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But that's when I had Mike Liones on and his

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Speaker 1: his take was, China goes to take Taiwan, They're just

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Speaker 1: gonna take it. We're not a positioned to stop them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm reminded of a big brother bullying a little

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Speaker 3: all it's going to take is for China to go

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Speaker 1: They're absolutely poised and ready. Well, part of it is

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Speaker 1: our lack of appetite for an actual war, which I

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Speaker 3: It happens in various places around the world, right, So wait,

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Speaker 3: there's more. So China claims its Coast Guard is carrying

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get sidetracked on this completely, but

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, really since the War of eighteen twelve, I

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Speaker 3: China has moved to formally end all Christian missionary activities.

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Speaker 3: The Chinese Communist Party is imposing severe restrictions on Christians

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Speaker 3: in the country because they are godless commis and utterly

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Speaker 3: evil to their core Chinese in short.

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Speaker 3: So in lighter fair, because virtually everything's lighter fair. There's

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Speaker 3: Coffee has become incredibly popular in China in the last

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Speaker 1: There's a giant coffee craze. Did they not drink it before?

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Speaker 1: Did the Chinese just discover coffee?

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Speaker 3: They're all about tea, that's right, all the tea in China.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you've heard the expression, so they mentioned these coffee wars. Now,

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Speaker 3: between all the coffee shops that have sprung up, what

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Speaker 3: hot flavor, and they open the article with this Beijinger

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Speaker 3: drinking Starbucks mochas to power through the day.

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Speaker 1: Today she downs Americanos doused in pineapple juice and lattes

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Speaker 1: blended with French butter. What a pineapple coffee or a

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Speaker 1: butter latte? But wait, jacket made with French butter? I

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Speaker 3: Roasted duck plums cheese, the bizarre bruise feeling China's coffee

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Speaker 3: war crowbeeks you just get You get an espresso shop

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Speaker 3: duck flavored coffee Niac, Let's see you got phizzy Americano

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Speaker 3: made with Apple's lime, butter, latte, grapes, butter.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I guess I should have assumed that

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Speaker 1: there were Starbucks in China, but duck flavored? Dude, put

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Speaker 1: back the duck coffee. I would like to know. Does

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Speaker 1: the Starbucks in China have unlocked bathrooms? Do they have

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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson now praising totalitarian regimes because their bathrooms are cleaner.

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Speaker 1: Please. It's an interesting question though. Moving along.

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Speaker 3: There, it is finally, thank you, Michael, better late than ever. Huh.

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Speaker 3: Chinese students on US campuses are ensnared in a political standoff.

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Speaker 3: Some say their visas have been revoked. In recent weeks.

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Speaker 3: Beijing is warning other nationals to reconsider study plans in America.

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Speaker 3: This is a topic I would like to hammer over

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Speaker 3: and over again. How and we're gonna get into it

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Speaker 3: more later and if not today, next week. How major

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Speaker 1: It's a harsh word, folks. Forgive me absolute sluts for

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Speaker 1: foreign money, specifically China and cutter the Chinese communists and

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Speaker 3: They are Islamic supremacists. They just wear Western suits and

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Speaker 3: go at it a different way. They have so thoroughly

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Speaker 3: addicted some of our major universities to their money.

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Speaker 1: They dare not teach against them. Their lap dogs.

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Speaker 3: And one in four one in every four international student

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Speaker 3: And the US has been running a large service surplus

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Speaker 3: full freight. And yeah, so anyway, both the young Chinese

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Speaker 3: a mutually beneficial scam, China gets to import a lot

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Speaker 3: of would be spies, whether willing or unwilling. The universities

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Speaker 1: We get to you know, cash into our system. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why you had to drop the S bomb,

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Speaker 1: but to make your point spies.

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Speaker 1: No, a couple more the universities be doing the walk

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Speaker 1: Clothes and questioning their lives decision, life's decision again, they're

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Speaker 1: Walking down the street carrying your shoes, make up a

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Speaker 3: Chinese scientists in America come under new wave of suspicion,

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Speaker 3: FBI scrutiny and visa revocations are worrying STEM researchers as

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Speaker 3: China looks to recruit them to come home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, a lot of the researchers are either spies

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Speaker 3: And finally this there are strong indications that you remember

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Speaker 3: the doge thing when they're laying off a bunch of people,

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Speaker 3: and that was the biggest problem in the world for

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Speaker 3: about a cup of duck flavored coffee.

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Speaker 1: Set the duck back.

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Speaker 3: Chinese intelligence maybe trying to recruit fired US officials. An

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Speaker 3: advisory says that foreign agencies are posing his consulting firms,

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Speaker 3: think tanks, and other organizations to connect with former government

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Speaker 3: employees who may or may not be disgruntled and looking

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Speaker 1: So the Chinese equivalent of the CIA is saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: What, we really we've admired your work for a long

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Speaker 3: long time, or starting a think tank, we'd love to.

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Speaker 1: Have little of your expertise. And I've read about this

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Speaker 1: study this for years. How they get you.

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Speaker 3: They have you doing completely innocent stuff, and then they

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm sure I'm supposed to well, and then they

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Speaker 3: then you're a full on espionage agent and you have

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Speaker 7: Say, crimea that was handed over during a president named

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Speaker 7: What concessions has Russia offered up thus far?

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Speaker 1: seed sovereignty. The United States might implicitly recognize Russia's hold

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Speaker 1: on CRIMEA, Ukraine wouldn't. Security guarantees would be finessed too.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine wouldn't join NATO, but it would keep the language

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Speaker 1: in its constitution declaring that goal. Russia would accept Ukraine's

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Speaker 1: right to a post war robust security guarantee, which would

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Speaker 1: be understood by all to mean European troops. European troops

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. And there's no mention in the document of

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Speaker 1: Russia's old demand for a neutral, de militarized zone in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: so that's gone by the wayside. Europe would provide the

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Speaker 1: military side of the security guarantee. The US plan also

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Speaker 1: envisages an American role on the ground through its operation

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Speaker 1: in the whole nuclear power plant in southern Ukraine, which

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Speaker 1: supply power to both sides. So we would be involved

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Speaker 1: in the power plant, which remember Trump brought that up

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Speaker 1: a while back, because that would be as David Ignatius

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Speaker 1: says here, this would be an American trip wire. If

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Speaker 1: Russia tried to take the power plant, you'd be crossing

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Speaker 1: the line with US. And the same holds true for

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Speaker 1: the proposal that the US share profits from the minerals

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Speaker 1: another natural resources. It's an economic power play and gives

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Speaker 1: America a stake in the post war piece that Russia

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Speaker 1: would have to watch out for So that was a

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Speaker 1: pretty clever thing that they came up with, and it

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Speaker 1: might be the absolutely vomit worthy, unpalatable best thing you

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Speaker 1: can get.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes things end that way, sometimes the world goes that way.

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Speaker 1: Now, just to see it, it's frustrating, and that's your point,

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Speaker 1: I guess. But it didn't have to be this way.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine could have been provided armament that would have helped

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Speaker 1: them push Russia back further earlier, and it would be

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Speaker 1: a completely different negotiating situation. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I haven't appreciated some of the things

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Speaker 3: Trump has done and said, but he was handed a terrible,

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Speaker 3: terrible situation by the feckless, senile mummy Joe Biden and

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Speaker 3: his administration, which made his maneuvering room considerably tighter.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll just leave that there for now. One thing

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Speaker 1: is in a that I'm really interested in.

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Speaker 3: I hope I live long enough to see it is

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Speaker 3: the Russian Empire, whether it was under the Tsars or

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Speaker 3: the Soviet Union or the current deal under potent who's

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Speaker 3: attempting to reassemble the Great Russian Empire. It's been held

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Speaker 3: together with brutality and bribes for like, you know, the

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Speaker 3: last century and a.

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Speaker 1: Half thousand years.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm more familiar with the last century

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Speaker 3: and a half. But anyway, what happens when Putin goes

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Speaker 3: will be really really interesting to watch because, yeah, you've

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Speaker 3: got Ukraine, which is ethnically different. Mostly they do have

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Speaker 3: Russian folks there, in Russian speaking folks. Everybody's got a

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Speaker 3: cousin in both countries. It's a close association, but not

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Speaker 3: close enough that Ukraine doesn't in overwhelming numbers, want to

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Speaker 3: be a completely independent country. Same can be said for

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Speaker 3: a lot of so called Russian provinces that they're Muslims.

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely not ethnic Russian. They hate Putin, They're just

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Speaker 3: again being held together by brutality and bribes. And where

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Speaker 3: all that goes, I mean, Russia will continue to be

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Speaker 3: unstable for the rest of our lives and your kids

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Speaker 3: and grandkids too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been more on the side of MSNBC's take

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Speaker 1: on this particular story for a while. You're a liberal,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting position. So would the left be into

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Speaker 1: this war if it had started under a Republicans? What

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Speaker 1: I and I remember the left last time the left

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Speaker 1: was so into I mean yesterday on MSNBC with a

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Speaker 1: lot of great guests. They were actually talking about US

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Speaker 1: ground troops to push Russia out. I mean, that's how

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Speaker 1: far they were going. Democrats, Yeah, your question is a

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Speaker 1: super interesting one. First, Blush, I'd say no, they'd be

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Speaker 1: staunchly against it if a Republican had been in office.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm under. They're just knee jerk tribalists. And anyway,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the talk of this is Trump being

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Speaker 1: Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler. Well, the big difference was Hitler

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Speaker 1: had built the biggest war machine in all of Europe,

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Speaker 1: and everybody knew he had the most powerful military in Europe.

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Speaker 1: Russia does not. They have been decimated, so they're not

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Speaker 1: going to march across Europe if they're appeased, right, right,

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Speaker 1: do you think ugly as hell? Before we take a break?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you do it a piece deal and

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Speaker 1: then Russia violates it at some point and tries to

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Speaker 1: take more.

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Speaker 3: Eventually, one hundred percent of Putin lives another five years.

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Speaker 1: But you think he'd wait out Trump to the next person. Ah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and or make this sort of small incursions kind

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Speaker 3: of sowing seeds for bigger incursions down the road.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he'd start on that project right away. I

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Speaker 1: keep forgetting to talk about the pope. And we've got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff too. We're gonna break down

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Speaker 1: the second round to the draft, but.

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Speaker 3: Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: One clip. We didn't play Trump yesterday. He's asked about

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Speaker 1: you know, what are you what pressure are you putting

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Speaker 1: on Russia? And he said things you don't know about. Basically,

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Speaker 1: he said, we're doing things you don't know today. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this has anything to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh Whitkoff arrives in Moscow as one of the very

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Speaker 1: top Russian generals who is in charge of the battle

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Speaker 1: plan for Ukraine. Blows up. His car blows up. I've

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Speaker 1: seen the picture. I mean his car just disintegrated him

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Speaker 1: in it. Probably a clogged fuel filter right right, He

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Speaker 1: must have had one of those lithium batteries you're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to have or something. The check engine light was on.

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Speaker 1: He ignored it right here, blowe right, need to do

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Speaker 1: brake pads. And so I don't know if that has

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Speaker 1: anything to do with any of the things were you

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Speaker 1: don't know about behind the scenes putting pressure on Russia.

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Speaker 1: But one other generals blew up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of warfare, one of the biggest hawks against

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Speaker 3: Iran in Washington is a big bald headed democrat. Plus

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Speaker 3: conservative professor tells us how to save Harvard. Apparently there

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Speaker 3: is a conservative professor and he wrote something stay with us.

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Speaker 1: I've been keeping track of how many days in a

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Speaker 1: row the Pope's death leads the evening newscast and so

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Speaker 1: far every day since Saturday since.

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Speaker 3: The idiot David Muir and his idiot newscast on ABC

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Speaker 3: last night devoted like six minutes to it.

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Speaker 1: Right and they're traveling there and gonna be live from there.

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Speaker 1: The funeral is tomorrow. Trump is on the way to

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Speaker 1: Italy right now with a lot of other world leaders,

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be at least a full week of

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Speaker 1: it being the lead story. And it's not like we're

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Speaker 1: during a news lull right at all. And it's still

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Speaker 1: the lead story, which is kind of interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: You said their audience is old. That's true, they're centered

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Speaker 1: in New York, higher per percentage of Catholics in the Northeast.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff is true. I'm still I'm still kind

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Speaker 1: of surprised by it. Well, and it's it's like uncontroversial

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Speaker 1: and easy. It's like a killer storm is crossing the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: There's that. I missed that part. That's the thing. Cheryl

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Speaker 1: Atkinson after she left say CBS News says, those stories

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Speaker 1: are because there's no pushback weather stuff like this. They're

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Speaker 1: just nobody pushes back, so it's just easy and still

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Speaker 1: line people standing in line for seven, ten, twelve hours

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Speaker 1: to walk by the dead pope and see them with

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Speaker 1: their families or whatever. They're in Rome. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: its own interesting thing. Do you have any opinion on

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Speaker 1: who the next pope is?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Zero zero, don't care. I do, And this is what

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping for. I think this would be good for

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Speaker 1: First of all, I've always been fascinated by the idea

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Speaker 1: of all of these in theory selfless men, and they're

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Speaker 1: all men, because that's the deal, selfless men, choosing someone

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Speaker 1: to be the biggest job you could ever have in

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Speaker 1: your life. And in theory, you know, not having any

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Speaker 1: ambition toward it, it's just like you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: let God speak to you and make a decision that way,

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Speaker 1: what's best for the Catholic Church, what's best best for

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Speaker 1: And I wonder how much of that is true, and

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Speaker 1: how much ambition slips in and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated by that. I would love to know.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever read the Da Vinci Code. There's your

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Speaker 1: answer right there. Ah, that's funny. I loved that book.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how accurate it is. I'm hoping. I

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Speaker 1: think it would be good for the world to have

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Speaker 1: the first African pope, somebody from that that's a god

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Speaker 1: forsaken continent. I think some African pope because the pope

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Speaker 1: gets so much attention, as we've seen this week, being

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Speaker 1: able to call attention to the wars, just all the

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Speaker 1: problems they've got in Africa. I think that'd be helpful

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Speaker 1: for the point's interesting take. Yeah, I don't care, not

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Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody should care. I just don't

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Speaker 1: have the bandwidth. There are other things I'm more interested in.

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Speaker 3: I wish the Catholic world good luck and choosing a

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Speaker 3: great new pope, a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Next Hour. If you don't get Next Hour, you got

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