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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: last stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. Please welcome in a Rubinova. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I didn't realize this was

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Speaker 1: a singing podcast, but I am prepared to sing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah. What which Bernadette Peter song would

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Speaker 1: you like to? I guess your choice? Something from Annie

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Speaker 1: Dealer's choice? Wow, Wow, you're going from the movies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's Annie. Uh guys, well we'll forget I

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Speaker 1: ever mentioned it. So it's good Anna. Where where are

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Speaker 1: you coming to us from. I'm coming to you from

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Speaker 1: sunny Los Angeles, California, I A USA. Yeah. The palm

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Speaker 1: trees today look frizzled. The sky is a beautiful gray. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I think that means there's smog or dust or something.

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Speaker 1: It might explain a lot of breathing problems, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: just another gorgeous day in reality. Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 1: I grew up in New York, Okay, And then how

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Speaker 1: did you hear that. Yeah, so it's not just a rumor,

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Speaker 1: but that place, it's a real place. Huh is that?

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Speaker 1: What's what's it like being from New York and now

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Speaker 1: you know, living in like most you know, being a

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Speaker 1: New Yorker and then being California, always curious to see

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Speaker 1: there's always a very takes on that experience. I am

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Speaker 1: so happy I'm here, not there except for this summer.

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Speaker 1: This summer, I feel like I would have rather been there.

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Speaker 1: But we moved here in six before the election, right,

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Speaker 1: so if we had to have lived through Trump in

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Speaker 1: New York, I think we would have been in a

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Speaker 1: really bad and eventual place, which I mean the sun

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Speaker 1: really helped and the if you live in New York,

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Speaker 1: do you understand us, Like once winter comes, everything feels

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Speaker 1: like it's over. Like you have to you have to,

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Speaker 1: like you missed your opportunity, you squandered the year, and

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Speaker 1: now you have to plan for how you're going to

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Speaker 1: come back in the spring and summer and fall. In

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Speaker 1: l A, you have the benefit of patients and like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so like you know, it was a nice day to day,

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Speaker 1: it was eighty degrees. That's okay, Tomorrow it'll be a

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Speaker 1: nice day, eighty degrees. It's okay, I can, I can

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Speaker 1: have fun. Then I didn't miss out, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I think that was very helpful for my brain, which,

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Speaker 1: as you can tell, it's a little messed. Not at

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Speaker 1: all sounds good on my end. Great, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Not a day goes by. Sorry, there is,

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Speaker 1: so you're not at the point in your l a

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Speaker 1: life where you start fetishizing, uh, the winter and missing

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Speaker 1: the winter and stuff like that. That usually comes around

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Speaker 1: like ten years in Oh no, it's only been five.

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Speaker 1: So when that happens, I don't know if winter will

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Speaker 1: exist in the world, but that's at that point. I

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Speaker 1: think we'll all have like really wonderful like VR air

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Speaker 1: pods or something that will replicate, you know, the despair

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Speaker 1: of winter accurately, and I think we'll be okay. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: there's now like yard work going out going on outside,

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Speaker 1: so that's that is perfectly appropriate. It's called texture and

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Speaker 1: we love it. On the daily ZI Gist, Miles, I

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Speaker 1: meant to tell you that my five year old is

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Speaker 1: now I think heading in the direction that you ended

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Speaker 1: only wanting to read stories about winter. There's like an

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Speaker 1: Avenger story with frost giants and like all it's one

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Speaker 1: page of like this one children's book that he has,

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Speaker 1: and he like asks me about them every day, so

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Speaker 1: like he's he's going to get the very particular type

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Speaker 1: a big bear lake or whatever. Yeah, but that's like

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Speaker 1: New York in the summer is very bad for sweaty people.

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Speaker 1: We like to ask our guest what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are? You

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Speaker 1: love to ask that question. I do love it, and

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Speaker 1: frankly I love to answer it. The most recent search

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Speaker 1: me Auckland, which has turned out to be I'll say

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Speaker 1: their name at a place called float Culture and Eden Terraces.

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Speaker 1: They're not paying for this mention better people, lucrative Green

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Speaker 1: back during the pandemic times and so not long after

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Speaker 1: this record rep. So I'm gonna go and lie down

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Speaker 1: and salty enclosed body of water for an hour and

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Speaker 1: see if that is relaxing. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've heard of I really want to

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Speaker 1: don't know about meditating them, but I guess I was

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Speaker 1: doing some form of it with that. So when I

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Speaker 1: essentially makes it feel you completely sort of begin to

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Speaker 1: separate your physical and mental And yeah, I have that sensation.

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Speaker 1: I've been really interested in going, but I have not

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Speaker 1: done yet. Wow, man, that is exactly my ship. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and I'm gonna find out. I'm really

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Speaker 1: hard to find out. I'm really excited. Yeah, because there's

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Speaker 1: also like the most probably the most relaxed and best

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Speaker 1: think it's I have the same thing because like, I

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Speaker 1: in the ocean where it's calm enough. I like to

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Speaker 1: just get on my back and just feel, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever that sensation is. But I think it's really interesting

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Speaker 1: introspective opportunity that it offers people when you're kind of

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Speaker 1: of advice is don't go face down. That's not at all,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And I only lasted a couple of

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if that's like the one

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Speaker 1: always talk that I listened to, unrepeat, repeat every day episode.

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Speaker 1: other one, but they were talking about that and it

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Speaker 1: made it very intriguing. And then there's the Simpsons episode

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Speaker 1: what the most extreme version of it that I've heard?

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Speaker 1: I like anything. I'm into anything that can like put

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Speaker 1: know why I haven't to this point. I'm very interested

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Speaker 1: and it sounds great. I'm gonna do it too, and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the huge spick in traffic

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Speaker 1: that float culture eating terraces having right now. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you can say you're welcome when you arrived today,

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Speaker 1: even though the episode may not be how you can

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Speaker 1: and I'll say, man, this guy's got a bad attitude.

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Speaker 1: He needs to float immediately. They do like clear clean

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Speaker 1: the water right in between floats like that is a

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Speaker 1: yourself for fifteen minutes before and after that's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a ship I think it's a ship souper.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like you're at the restaurant and you

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Speaker 1: trust the other. If you're running a tank business, how

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Speaker 1: many how many floats you do before you switch out

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like running You don't want to change

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Speaker 1: that oil. That's where the flavor is. Oh yeah, all

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Speaker 1: the Revelations Iron Skillet, Yeah, all the revel guns are

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Speaker 1: keeping the same water over and over. Mix everyone else's

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Speaker 1: I'm honored that I've made your New Zealand celebrity lists.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely that's every every person. I asked that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's from New Zealand. I said, you know

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Speaker 1: Gataman coming right, that's the homey right there. But that

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Speaker 1: that is such a like when when you know the

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Speaker 1: the airlines we found out don't clean anything in between

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Speaker 1: and they're like taking garbage with you and that's why

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Speaker 1: we all got sick on airlines for so many years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Keith Urban New Zealand or Australia. You know, damn,

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Speaker 1: there's a good question. I think he's Australian. Is he

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Speaker 1: married to? No way to know? Yeah, I think he's Australian. Okay.

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Speaker 1: There there are a few that are contentious that we

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Speaker 1: sort of um. He seems to be in this list

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Speaker 1: with like Rush little Crow too. Yeah, Russell cries contentious.

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Speaker 1: Both countries claimed him and in both countries were like

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Speaker 1: you you have him. But I think he's Australian. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well he wasn't in the soup, so don't worry crowded

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Speaker 1: houses New Zealand. But Australia climbs him is throwing got you?

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Speaker 1: Got you? What is something you think is overrated? Derek

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk Hell yeah, that man, I get hey, he has.

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Speaker 1: I get that he has you know, tons of stands

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Speaker 1: on Twitter or whatever, but like, like objectively, the dude

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Speaker 1: she is not going to be running in the just

426
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: individual race, So that means alternates, the people who are

427
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: now the fourth place finisher has moved on to the team.

428
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: In the fifth place person has now become an alternate

429
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: from the qualifiers and the best right now as it stands,

430
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: the only chance she has is to participate in the

431
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: four by one relay because the track association is able

432
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: to select people to participate in that. So this is like, really,

433
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: this is just completely fucked up. The things that I

434
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: think a lot of people remember from her qualifying win

435
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: was just her words about everything she had gone through

436
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: to arrive at this moment. I'd been having the support

437
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: of her family that her biological mother had passed away

438
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: days before. The thing is, she was told by a reporter,

439
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: a reporter that her biological mother passed away. That's how

440
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: she found out, and that was when she went and

441
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, enjoyed some weed or whatever, just to you know,

442
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: deal with hearing this from some other person, just out

443
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: of the blue. And now she's looking at completely losing

444
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: her shot at at participating the Olympics. And it's just

445
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: so fucking dumb. Like I get that the rules are

446
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: the rules, but this is just such this like anti

447
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: weed stuff. It's like our prohibition on marijuana is just

448
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: so built around this pseudo scientific, racist nonsense, because let's

449
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: be real, it's not a performance enhancing drug. The only

450
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: fucking performance it's enhancing is like you watching a clip

451
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: of Santana on YouTube for some ship, or like if

452
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: you play a guitar, it's not, you're not you're not

453
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: You're not seeing the matrix in a track race and

454
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: now you're fucking muscles are working over time. So it's

455
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: just like really disheartening and just sort of underlines just

456
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: how behind we are in so many ways. Or if

457
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: you're hosting a podcast about nine D fiance, I should

458
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I should chime in on your behalf there, But that's

459
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: an Olympic event, mhm. It Yeah, it's truly baffling. Like

460
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: alcohol is not a like if I guess you can't

461
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: test for alcohol, but it's not a band substance and

462
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: other than your coach probably telling you not to do

463
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: it because it's not going to make you faster, And

464
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: I would assume marijuana is the same way. That's it's

465
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: really strange, but not strange, I guess to be expected

466
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: based on like the history of racism around marijuana and

467
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: the present racism around marijuana. Yeah, I mean it's we

468
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: were aways talk about it as as past tense of

469
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, why marijuana was banned in the first place,

470
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, anti black, anti Mexican sentiments and all that,

471
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: and it's like where we have not even scratched the

472
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: surface of you know, the constant stigma that's still associated

473
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: with it. I watched a short clip of her saying,

474
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, like this isn't I'm still young, I'm gonna

475
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure it out. I still have a lot

476
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: of races ahead of me, you know, to that effect,

477
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna I'll be back, you know. Yeah, gosh,

478
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: I it's so fucked up in every single way. And

479
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I just constantly feel like everyone who speaks out about

480
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: it says a thing, and then nothing happens, you know,

481
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: like we'll, we'll weigh in, we'll we'll throw in our

482
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: two cents and go like, yeah, this is like this

483
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: is clearly you know, discrimination, and they're and they're picking

484
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: on people and and it's but then nothing happened. Like

485
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: we we all know, we all know the facts. We

486
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: all know this isn't a performance enhancing drug. We all

487
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: know why it was banned in the first place. We

488
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: know why alcohol was unbanned, you know, or maybe not,

489
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I get smurky, you know, like prohibition ends

490
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: because of you know, pressure from probably some corporate shit

491
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: and there's just not enough of it here, or it's

492
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: cultural different people, right, like it's it's just funked up,

493
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: and everyone, I'm sorry that I'm ranting, and all I

494
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: can do is curse about it. But well, no, I mean,

495
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: it's just it's frustrating because you look at somebody who

496
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: is performing to the best of their abilities, you know

497
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: what it means to them, and then for them to

498
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: just get caught up in these relics of racist just nonsense,

499
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: to funk up your chances to represent the fucking country.

500
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: You think like that, this country is so focused on winning, Like,

501
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: shut the funk up cares that you're smoking weed. This

502
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: person is gonna win the fucking gold medal in the

503
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: one and that's what we're about to put our best

504
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: athletes out there. But you still there's still this like this,

505
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: we're still so intertwined with these backwards laws and I

506
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, again, we're not having I mean,

507
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: we are having this conversation, but the powers that be

508
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: aren't because I think at the end of the day,

509
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: you realize that they're not interested in understanding what is

510
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: equity or what is actually fair or not. They're probably

511
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: taking They like having mechanisms of suppression, they like having

512
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: that in place, They like have they like playing that

513
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: dumb game of chess that they think they're playing where

514
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: they're out smarting everybody and we all can see through it.

515
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: It's just that they're still in power and they could

516
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: still make they make the rules and change them at will.

517
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: So you know, if a certain person is caught, you know,

518
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: having an affair, it can be a huge scandal. If

519
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: if Trump, well, I mean I don't know the whole

520
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: cosmy thing. It's like, oh, thirty five women came out

521
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: against him and still it was overturned. So like it's

522
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: the rules app is, Yeah, Trump is in the choice,

523
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: Like the rules just don't fucking apply as long as

524
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: long as you have the money to support or or

525
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: the or just the power structure, it makes absolutely no sense.

526
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: The Olympics are are also just you know, straight trash. Yeah.

527
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: And and also to have that reporter question this athlete

528
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: and go like, you know, are like are you gonna apologize?

529
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? Like how do you feel?

530
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: How do you how did you know? Tell us about

531
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: how you disappointed everybody? Whatever? Like you know, she's going

532
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: home and drinking a boxed wine after that, like everyone

533
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: more like taking whatever pills her doctors prescribed her and

534
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: because those are legal, she's fine. And this girl smoked

535
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: weed on a legal state, not on the day that

536
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: she's competing either, right, Like marijuana stays in your system

537
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: for a bit. Okay, yeah, and that's such a good

538
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: point and recorder like probably yeah, And it is really

539
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: frustrating to see like the way it's being covered by

540
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: the media, the ap like unquestioning Lee just be you know,

541
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: the and then it almost feels like she is She's like, Okay, yeah,

542
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: I owned what I did. I made a mistake, and

543
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: like I'll be I'll bounce back. But like it's just

544
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: like why why why isn't anyone saying the obvious thing

545
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: that this is fucking down. You didn't make a mistake.

546
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: She didn't make a mistake. She I would say, she's

547
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: practicing self care in a tough in a in a

548
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: tough situation and taking care of herself while she's dealing

549
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: with all this you know, familial and mental stress, with

550
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: all of the pressure, the full pressure of her being

551
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: this star athlete that's going to go represent a country

552
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: that barely respects her. That's a lot of pressure. And

553
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: if all you do is smoke a little weed, holy ship, Like,

554
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: how how strong are you to just you know, yeah,

555
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I think and it's yeah, it's it's only a mistake

556
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: in this narrow, stupid context of being an athlete and

557
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: all these weird fucking rules that they have that let's

558
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: face it, or mostly we're seeing, you know, athletes of

559
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: color be punished for these kinds of things. So it

560
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: makes you frustrate on so many levels because at the

561
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, this is a human being who,

562
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: like you have to allow people to have the you know,

563
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: latitude to fucking take care of themselves or whatever. I get.

564
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: It's and especially in the context that isn't running a

565
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: foul of local laws or putting anyone in danger. So really,

566
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: what who is this protecting? And I think that the

567
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: way that you know, Jack, like you're saying that ap

568
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be like, yeah, well violated the laws without

569
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, well hold on, what the funk are

570
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: these laws? Though? Like what is what are these regulations for?

571
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: And noticed she had to say that in her in

572
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: our apology, I am a person. I'm a human being, right,

573
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm obviously paraphrasing, but she was like, remember I'm

574
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: not you know, I'm a human firstly not a superhero,

575
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: but also not you're you know, not yours to do

576
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: with what you please, Like I'm not. I'm only here

577
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: because someone pushed me in front of the camera and

578
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: told me I had to be sorry for this, you know,

579
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: otherwise I want to run. Yeah, Like, yeah, it doesn't

580
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: even seem legal to be honest, because you can you

581
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: really punish somebody for something for for doing something legal

582
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: days before a performance and answering, Yeah, I'm sure this

583
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: is going to evolve over the you know, in the

584
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: next few days, because you know, she can appeal, and

585
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure that would be your reason to say, Like,

586
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you do? You you know,

587
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: you want to see somebody run hot, like faster because

588
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: they're high or whatever, Like I don't know what that means. Also,

589
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm going through things. Can you extend some empathy towards me? Also,

590
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: these laws are nonsense, So what are we doing here?

591
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think, I mean, the public

592
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: is definitely like outraged because they see this for what

593
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: it is. And like I think for most people now,

594
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, the majority of society is like, what's the

595
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: problem with someone smoking weed? Like what are we talking

596
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: about here. We're not all our you know, sixth grade

597
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: teachers from like the nineties who are like, oh, and

598
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: maybe the silver lighting here is that she will maybe

599
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: be a trailblazer in that way, you know, maybe she

600
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: is the test case. Maybe she will turn it all

601
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: around because of public opinion and because of the situation here.

602
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I think I hope that she will come out of

603
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: the stronger and more powerful and more successful because of

604
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: her situation and how she's handling it. Right, It's still

605
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: not fair, but I hope that is the outcome. That she,

606
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, gets a book deal, gets a movie deal,

607
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: gets all these statues. You know, like that might be

608
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: the outcome. It's just not It shouldn't have happened and

609
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be happening to everybody in similar situations. So

610
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: and like that is hopefully a silver lining that people

611
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: recognize that this shouldn't be fucking rule. But at the

612
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: same time, like, this is somebody who trains their whole

613
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: life to compete for these nine seconds, and which is

614
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: insane that she can do it in nine seconds, but

615
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: like and and to have that taken away from them,

616
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: it's just so fucking cruel. That's unbelievable. Yeah. And what's

617
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: also this idea of like the substances being banned comes

618
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: from like these paternalistic sort of perspective like, well, we're

619
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: looking after the athletes to like what's best for them.

620
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: But it's like, well, they have a lot more ship

621
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: on there if you're purely interested in the health of

622
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: the athletes, because it doesn't look like that, and it

623
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: just rings hollow. So you know, I honestly I hope

624
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: that they realized they you should ry Richardson at these Olympics,

625
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, even though you know, fun the Olympics, they're

626
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: such a tortured event. But uh yeah, I I hope

627
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: you can run to carry That's a great wrap up

628
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: of this topic. Yeah, all right. I wanted to talk

629
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: about residential schools, and this is, you know, an ongoing

630
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: story that we're gonna continue talking about on this show.

631
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of coverage of the mass

632
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: graves of you know, Indigenous people and children discovered on

633
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: the grounds of former residential schools in Canada, and a

634
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: lot of the coverage has treated it as a uniquely

635
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Canadian phenomenon. I think we even were like, god, damn,

636
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: this is like evil for Canada. Well, it turns out

637
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: America gave them the idea for Indian residential schools. As

638
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: early as eighteen nineteen, the United States was institutionalizing indigenous

639
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: genocide in the form of industrial schools and boarding programs,

640
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: and then a canade Indian prime minister sent a journalist

641
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: down to like document it, and they basically imported it

642
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: from America. They imported the idea and the ideology from America,

643
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: which is not shocking. But this writer, Abigail Kirby Conklin,

644
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: directly reached out and was like, Yo, you guys should

645
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: know that this is America is very complaxit in this

646
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, America's superpower, one of them is just to

647
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: point out a problem abroad and be like, I can't

648
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: believe that's happening there. Meanwhile, you started this ship right

649
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: and just yeah and be able to put the focus

650
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: on something else. I mean, yeah, whenever I'd read about him,

651
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: like where are the story is about? Because you know,

652
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: the US has a terrible track record with indigenous genocide,

653
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: so I'm curious when the media here begins to bring

654
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: it up. But it takes takes a lot for you know,

655
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: corporate media here to begin to talk about history or

656
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: how it relates to other countries. Yeah, it's like if

657
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: we if we just if we let it pass, nobody

658
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: will know that won't talk about it. So like the

659
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, we know is like just a criminal institution,

660
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, from even when all of those like white

661
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: kids were getting molested in Boston, Like they're a criminal

662
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: organization that that has built an entire empire on like

663
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: actual human misery and suffering. And it doesn't it doesn't

664
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: surprise me that that the pope or or many of

665
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: these sort of like religious figures are like well, you know,

666
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: everybody's nobody's perfect to kind of describe like murdering children

667
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and taking them from their families, and the fact that

668
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: like a few of the churches have burned down, people

669
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: like oh my god, oh these churches. So it's like

670
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: you're lucky that all that they came for was the

671
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: building when you came for their children, Like, I don't

672
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: we do so so much pro clutching over like the

673
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: protection of children, but here are mass graves of children.

674
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, yeah, well, what do you expect?

675
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: What do you want? It was a different time, right,

676
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't know, it's kind of the

677
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: same now because we just it's it's just more technological

678
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: and now it's about separating people and families, and it's

679
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: it's it's the same energy. It's just manifesting in different ways.

680
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: And even to your point, I mean, like there's a

681
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: papal decree you know, before the colonization of the America's

682
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: where the pope was like, hey, Spain, Portugal, go do

683
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: your fucking thing over there. Enslave these people, convert them.

684
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: That's your right. I'm the pope. I'm out go do it.

685
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: Like that is like the all there's they go hand

686
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: in hand with each other. So I think the first

687
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: episode that I that I was here with you guys

688
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: on like I was talking about my indigenous ancestry and

689
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: like so that in itself like sort of touches my history.

690
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I was I was reading and you know, like a

691
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of the documentation that we have a out the

692
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: Michigan Empire, what people call the Aztecs, because the Aztecs

693
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: were like a federation. They weren't called Aztecs, that were Michiga,

694
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: and there were several different tribes and they were like

695
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: a Federation of Communities when when the Spanish came, Like

696
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: there's there's an account written by a Spaniard where it's like, well,

697
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: we were welcomed into Lan with like incense, miko because

698
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: they thought we were gods. And like the the ego

699
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and the arrogance on top of that, and it's like

700
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: they didn't think you were gods. You smelled like you didn't.

701
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Bay were filthy. You were filthy. They had working sewage system.

702
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: They were essentially spraying you with axe body spray on

703
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: pond entry and you didn't get the hint. They perfume

704
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: us like we are there, like we are stinky pieces

705
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: of colonizers shit and so but it's like but but

706
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: it's like that's the record that that persisted that you know,

707
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: because a lot of the stuff was burned, A lot

708
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: of the stuff was destroyed, and a lot of indigenous

709
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: history tends to be oral, or it tends to be

710
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: passed down through stories, storytelling. So like the the Catholic

711
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: Church giving giving Spain and giving Portugal permission to sort

712
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: of like go to town, go ham On, you know,

713
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: my ancestors was like was part of that sort of

714
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: that was part of that of that record keeping. I

715
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: guess it's like, you know, oh, these these people are

716
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: are savages and these people are you know, they had

717
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: to they had to come up with a story to

718
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: justify what they wanted to get done. And it's tragic

719
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: that like that is the story that gets passed down

720
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: in schools or just like the top surface level of

721
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: like history. So when when we talk about indigenous people

722
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: or we talk about you know, sort of the the

723
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: atrocities that happened to us, like there's just that top

724
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: soil level of like, well, you guys weren't even really

725
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: civilized anyway, and you know, well you guys were just

726
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: roaming around in the woods Thanksgiving, like everyone killed together.

727
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: So the problem is like I think we were just

728
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: more lit and it's just sort of all of these

729
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: all of these like colonial sort of it's like, well,

730
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: why don't you why don't you just ask any of

731
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: us like there, you know, ye go directly to the source.

732
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like we disappeared. It's wild

733
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: like that you talk about that, because I remember one

734
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: of my first like history classes in college was about

735
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: Iberian history. So we're talking about Spain and you know,

736
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: colonization of the Americas and things like that. And I

737
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: remember this is in college. This person raised their hand

738
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: when we were talking about Indigenous people and they're being

739
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: and then being enforced conversions and things like that. This

740
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: person was so sincerely confused in this lecture class raised

741
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: their hand and out loud asked, well, didn't the indigenous

742
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: people want to be converted to Christianity? Like as if

743
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: you could tell that this person's entire life was spent

744
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: believing this one thing that they didn't think it was

745
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: a hot take. They were sincerely confused in a class

746
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: about the you know, America's But then they're saying, but

747
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: I thought they wanted to And you realize, yeah, that's

748
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: that's a lot of the ship that we have to

749
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: spend our time overcoming is these lies that were told. Yeah,

750
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: if that's your automatic perception of of Native people pre colonization,

751
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: then nothing's a genocide, Then nothing's terrible, then nothing, you know,

752
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: a humanitarian crime. Yeah, we were doing them a favor.

753
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: And the idea that all these things are lost to history,

754
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Like there are entire histories that are untranslated because nobody

755
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: bothered to learn the languages and read them. And it's

756
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: also like this idea like that that idea that they

757
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: are less advanced, that their civilizations were less advanced. Like

758
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: they they were more advanced, they were cleaner, they had

759
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: sewage systems. The only reason that they died is because

760
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: of like there there was a lot of obviously like

761
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: military brutality, but it was they were weakened by play,

762
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: Like it was just the luck of the draw of

763
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: the German the germ theory that basically sucked them over.

764
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: And it was like nine of the continent was depopulated.

765
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's the reason, not it's not that there was

766
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: like better much better technology or yeah, because yeah, like

767
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: it literally they like the Michigan Empire built an island.

768
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: They built an island in the middle of a lake

769
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: to like the epicenter of trade. Like I don't know

770
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: how you get more advanced than that. Yeah, how about

771
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: ship in your double loom or the or you know

772
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: the folks in like Arizona and New Mexico who like

773
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, built cities into the into the mountains, Like yeah,

774
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: there's there's so many there's so many sites and structures

775
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and things will never know about because they were because

776
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: they were dismantled because they were destroyed, and like our

777
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: the lifestyle was forevery for every Obviously I'm not going

778
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: to speak for for every every injigious person or where

779
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: wherever they come from, but like lifestyles were just different

780
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: than you know, like these sort of permanent, massive structures

781
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: to like pat yourself on the back of how awesome

782
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: you are didn't exist for a lot of people. Like

783
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, some people were nomadic. Some people were sort

784
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: of like oh we have we know, we go where

785
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: we follow the food. Like like just doing any sort

786
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: of actual research that like oral oral history that's been

787
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: that's been written and documented by other indigenous people, like

788
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: there's there's so much to learn and there's so much

789
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: like when you truly understand like how fucked over we

790
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: were in terms of like Jack was saying, like yes,

791
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: the smallpox devastated the population, but there were also government

792
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: programs both from Spain, both from Portugal and the and

793
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: the United States, like the intent really killing buffalo to

794
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: starve natives, you know, being able to these residential schools

795
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: literally being able to purchase Native children like for ten dollars.

796
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Like it's multifaceted in in the way that the genocide

797
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: occurred and is still going because of because of like

798
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: I know, you know people in the Nabato Nation, like

799
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: who don't have clean water, Like they don't have running water,

800
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: they don't have paved roads in a lot of places,

801
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: like the US government like literally like killing them out

802
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: of neglect because it was sort of like, oh, you

803
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: want to be your own autonomous nations, fine, go ahead,

804
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: but don't ask us for anything. Yeah. Yeah, it's like sure,

805
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: we took all of this, all of us away from

806
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: me and told you we were gonna pay you for it.

807
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: But right, we're just gonna stick you over here and

808
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: let you do your own thing. We'll pass. We'll get

809
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: to check to you sometime. Yeah, America doesn't remember because

810
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't want to remember, because this is the DNA

811
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: of America. Is that So they incarcerated thousands of indigenous children,

812
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: Like we still have a country that is built on

813
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: mass incarceration. There's the imprisonment of migrants along our border

814
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: with Mexico during World War two. Like it's just repeating

815
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: structures within American society that we don't want to examine

816
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: and fix because that's how the society works essentially. But

817
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: with specifically with indigenous people. It's really like just go fun,

818
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: go look up Cohokia and the they built a striped

819
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: mountain that was like made of various colors of soil

820
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: and clay that they had brought from like hundreds of

821
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: miles away in St. Louis. That like put the Great

822
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Pyramid of Giza or the pyramids in Egypt to shame.

823
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: And the reason that like you've never heard of that

824
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: is because they were about to build a fucking parking

825
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: lot on it when somebody realized what was happening. Cokey

826
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: was like the biggest city in the world during the

827
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: twelve And America systematically and intentionally doesn't want to honor

828
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: these histories because they were erased for a reason. And

829
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: you know that there's still a lot of America's ideals

830
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: that are that are tied up in the reasons that

831
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: it was erased and why you never learned how advanced

832
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: indigenous civilizations were. But it's actively being ignored, it's actively

833
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: being written out of the news, out of history, and

834
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: people just aren't bothering to study this stuff because it

835
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of contradicts, you know, the central American ideal. I

836
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: guess sceptional it can't be exceptional if you're mediocre in

837
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: comparison to the indigenous people, that you're just moved into

838
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: a like apocalyptic society and like moved into people's houses

839
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: like fucking Goldilocks and started like just pretended like you

840
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: did all the work yourself. Yeah. Anyways, we will continue

841
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: to cover that as America hopefully deals with its own

842
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: history of residential schools. I mean, it's wild to think

843
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: there's more of a concerted effort to not teach history

844
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: at the moment, and you know, like that's picking up

845
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: so much space, especially on the conservative side. Is this

846
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, like when you especially what is

847
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: it relates to critical race theory that's not even being

848
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: taught in elementary schools, but it's there. They know that

849
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: it's on the subconscious of a lot of conservatives. They

850
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: know it's like they don't talk about the terrible stuff

851
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: because then that that that sort of helps bolster the

852
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: arguments that we are backwards and we need to change. Yeah, alright,

853
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,

854
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: and we're back, and let's talk about Netflix currently. You

855
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: know they've got well, first of all, the second season

856
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: of I think you should leave. Just dropped, so I'm

857
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: very excited about that. But um, when you look at

858
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: the top ten, for the most part, it's a lot

859
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: of reality shows. Our new producer DJ Dramas was pointing

860
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: out that Too Hot to Handle is constantly trending in

861
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: the top five because they just dropped season two of that,

862
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: which is the hot people try not to have sex

863
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: with each other reality show where where a hundred thousand

864
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: dollars is that is at risk or you know, they're

865
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: competing to win a hundred thousand dollars And yeah, Miles,

866
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: you were you were reading somewhere that it's just like Netflix,

867
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: maybe more the safe like CBS version. Yeah, which is

868
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: funny in this right of and wired about Netflix. Like

869
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: every paragraph whoever wrote this, I'm just gonna pack them

870
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: up by name, because they were clearly I think you

871
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: should leave now, fans, because every like opportunity there was

872
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: to talk about, I mean, the only thing to watch

873
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: on Netflix is obviously I think you should leave season two.

874
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: And then like three paragraphs later it's like, and I

875
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: mean we're not for shows like maybe I think you

876
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: should leave season two that's about to drop. Netflix might

877
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: not have anything, and I just love when people like

878
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: are hardcore. So Kate NIBBs, I see you you, Tim

879
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Robinson stand I love the energy. But in this piece

880
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: was writing, you know, globally, Netflix is the dominant streamer

881
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: like that, that's just without the shadow of a doubt

882
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: when we look at the the Nielsen ratings, like that's reflected.

883
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: It's like Netflix is the default top ten and then

884
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: if another streamer has a like big movie or a

885
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: big show come out, they will sometimes crack the top

886
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: ten for like a week and then it goes back

887
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: to all Netflix. But now you know, they're saying with HBO,

888
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Max and Disney plus they're finding their kind of rhythm

889
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: in terms of original of original releases and like many

890
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: news services coming online because it used to be like,

891
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: well at least Netflix has a lot of stuff. Now

892
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: it's becoming like if you like horror, if you want anime, like,

893
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna go to Netflix. You go to

894
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: like crunchy roll or something like that. And then in

895
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: the summer they had like a lot of the movies

896
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: are coming on HBO Max, Mortal Kombat, that Mortal Kombat

897
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: film came out, the Godzilla and Versus Kong film came out,

898
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: and like those did numbers that apparently made the Army

899
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: of the Dead on Netflix just seemed like a mild hit.

900
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: And so all of this together they're kind of saying, like, well,

901
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: it seems like it's sort of Netflix has definitely lost

902
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: its place in terms of like the prestige area, and

903
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: if even if you want to talk about them wanting

904
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: to be a full fledged film studio, Amazon just went

905
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: and bought a whole ass film studio in MGM. So

906
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: they're like, how are they going to keep up? Because

907
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: it seems like now they're real big hits, are I

908
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: think you should leave? And maybe and Sexy Beasts where

909
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: the people wearing like prosthetics to look like animals and

910
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: ship that dating showing. They're like, where has the prestige gone?

911
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, and when you

912
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: look at what like they have all these accidental hits

913
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: like that art film in quotes from the guy who

914
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: directed Into the Void, but the premise was it's a

915
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: art film where people are actually having sex. And then

916
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: there was the sixty five Days, which was just a

917
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: softcore porn Those were like among their top ten shows,

918
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: So I mean, they acquire a lot of content and

919
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: then just let the let the people sort it out.

920
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: And supposedly they make their programming and like what they

921
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: invest in decisions based on what people tell them they want.

922
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's just sort of what happens when

923
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: you're your commissioning is done by an algorithm. Like there

924
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: are so many student dio execs or whatever it Netflix,

925
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: but it's like what do they do? They take meetings

926
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: with people, then go into a big room with you know,

927
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: a smart board with mass equations happening, and then come

928
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: back out and say, sorry, right, I don't Yeah, it's

929
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: this because even I think about it, I've looked at

930
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: through the prism of stand up comedy, there was that

931
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: window where if you've got to stand up comedies fecihal

932
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: on Netflix, it was this close to sort of like

933
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: getting on Carston or Letterman, you know, eons ago, where

934
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: it was like there was a certain amount of prestige

935
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: attached to that. But now it's as though it's it's

936
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: nowhere near. I mean, I don't think that they streamed

937
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the same numbers, and it's just not like they give

938
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: out those huge deals to your Chappell's or your Signfelds

939
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. But for for ordinary communities it's still fantastic.

940
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: But it's just there's no care or attention paid to it.

941
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: It's like, this is one of the cheapest things that

942
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: we can commission, and I guess we'll give it a

943
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: go and if people watch it, then we'll notice it

944
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: coming back, right, And they're and they're kind of and

945
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: Netflix is in a new phase. You know, they're no

946
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: longer borrowing money for the first time. That was always

947
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like where is all what are

948
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: they doing? But you know, I think this is part

949
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: of their long term strategy. And yeah, things like Disney

950
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Plus and HBO Max even Paramount Plus they're siphoning away

951
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: people's like watch time, Like it's funny, like I have Netflix,

952
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: but again I'm really only watching. You'll probably watch I

953
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: think you should leave, or Sexy Beasts or the f

954
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: One Show or something like that. It's only like a

955
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: couple of things. I feel like I need Netflix before,

956
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: whereas you know, ask me seven years ago, I was like,

957
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, man, you're not fucking Netflix, Like what

958
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: the fund do you do? Like how do you live?

959
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: And again these analysts are looking at it as because

960
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: they're just they're so ubiquitous and now globally they just

961
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: have such a lion share of the eyeballs that it's

962
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: just going to be more like CBS, where they were

963
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: like the first to broadcast. But now people are just like,

964
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's it's around, but I'm not.

965
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't funk with CBS because I think it's cool.

966
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: It just happens to be the biggest thing. Yeah, and well,

967
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean the way that these other streaming apps are

968
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: pubbing up and qualifying their place, it's like there's only

969
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: so much money in people's wallets with Eventually you have

970
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: to you know, you can't just you have to choose,

971
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: and you can't just choose something because it's got one

972
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: show you go to your friends and watch it. But

973
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: like you can't just be like, I'm going to get

974
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Netflix because they're gonna have a new season of Tim

975
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: Robinson's showing another year or two years. It doesn't make

976
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: any sense. But here I am waiting for Tim waiting

977
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: no more. I know you gotta out today as we

978
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: record this. Yeah, you gotta meet out your your value

979
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: you're getting from the show because there's a year's worth

980
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: of Netflix subscription distilled into six episodes. I flew through them.

981
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean when the first season came out, I probably

982
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: just watched the first season three times over just because

983
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: like the replay value was like it was infinite for

984
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: a while, and I had to do the thing where

985
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want to start memorizing all of the bits

986
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: like with other things I've watched, because then I just

987
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: find myself forming along with my TV rather than being

988
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: like an audience because I like it so much. I'm like,

989
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: oh man, if he tagged me and I could do

990
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: this sketch with him. It's just like it's a real

991
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: advertisement for stupidity that show, because it is the stupidest

992
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: show on television and also the best, and it's not

993
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: a coincidence. Well, you can't be that. That's the irony

994
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: of it, is like you have to be really smart

995
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: to be able to pull off the Ship. That's that dumb,

996
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: you know. It's not just like, oh man, look at

997
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: this bozo just falling over himself. It's like, no, like

998
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: you gotta like that's the I think that's why I

999
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: really loved Ship when I watched this is so it's

1000
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: also but it's good it's a performance style as well,

1001
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: because it's just it's such every character is so entrenched

1002
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: in there, you know, in themselves. This commitment to everything

1003
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: is so real. It's just like you can't look away

1004
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: because it's like these these beautiful little car crashes with

1005
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: the drivers. I mean literally in one sketch was like

1006
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: the driver saying there wasn't a car crash, which is

1007
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: so perfect for our country. A car crash happens like

1008
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: it clearly wasn't me, even though everyone saw him do it. Yeah,

1009
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a reason that that resonates with people,

1010
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: stupid people making embarrassing mistakes and then refusing to admit it.

1011
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: For some reason that that resonates with the modern world.

1012
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I had a kind of related streaming question with regards

1013
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: to so it seems like all Pixar movies from now

1014
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: on are just coming out without like they're just gonna

1015
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: be Disney plus products. And I feel like that's like

1016
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: there's this new Luca one about like a kid who's

1017
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: a sea monster that is apparently a metaphor for like

1018
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: lgbt Q, like you know, being Yeah, it's a meta

1019
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: full for Disney acknowledging that queenness exists in the world. Exactly, yes, exactly,

1020
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: but it's like it's just gonna be dropped on Disney Plus.

1021
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: It seems like and that's what happened with Soul, they

1022
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: dropped it for free. And I don't know, it feels like,

1023
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: do you guys feel like it's devaluing like Pixar movies,

1024
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Like it just feels like it's less of an event

1025
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: now when picks are like Onward came out last year

1026
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: and like that wasn't really a big thing. I think

1027
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: that came out before the pandemic, so it hit theaters.

1028
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think there's a few things

1029
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: happening out. Imagine it's a response to the fact that

1030
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: they're not going to pull huge numbers at the cinema.

1031
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: And then also there's some element that it could be

1032
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: a marketing strap. It's like Uber gave out really cheap

1033
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: cab rides for a while, so everyone was, man, I

1034
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: can't believe all these cab rides are so cheap, and

1035
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: then they're like, okay, are we the only thing you

1036
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: use is this how you get around? Now, Well, guess

1037
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: what cab rides because seventy dollars now and you go,

1038
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: what the fund is this? Oh yeah, and the drivers

1039
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: were subjecting them to hell yeah, it just sucks that

1040
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: they're lost. Leader is like the most artistically valid thing

1041
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: that they were creating as a studio. I feel like

1042
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: in in Pixar movies, like they're just like, yeah, I

1043
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: will just like throw the slop out to the kiddies,

1044
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: and by treating it like that, because apparently I was

1045
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: listening to like an industry watcher talk about how even

1046
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: though these movies could make a lot at the box office,

1047
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: the most valuable thing to them is stock price, and

1048
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: the only thing that draws drive stock price is subscriber numbers.

1049
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: It's not like if you have a hit at the

1050
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: box office. So now they're basically all they care about

1051
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: is driving like Disney plus subscription numbers. So they're going

1052
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: to like not even release some of these things into

1053
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: movie theaters even when movie theaters open back up. It's

1054
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: so grim that the world is being run by old

1055
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: white guys who are just running around following maths right exactly,

1056
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: all in the name of fucking shareholder value. Like even

1057
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: now we have things, they're just like no, no, no,

1058
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: what do you kid me. You're gonna put a movie

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Speaker 1: in a movie theater where people are gonna go, and

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Speaker 1: you'll make millions, possibly billions of dollars. No, no, not

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Speaker 1: fam We need to We need the subscriber numbers to

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Speaker 1: go up so these fucking day traders and everybody else

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Speaker 1: who are in on our stock, then they can feel good.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're in the business for. We're no longer

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Speaker 1: Disney other thing to watch a movie, and he will

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Speaker 1: watch a movie once in a day. But all right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please

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Speaker 1: like and review the show. If you like the show,

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Speaker 1: uh means the world two miles. He he needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to him Monday. By S.