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Speaker 1: It is episode forty nine of a Native Lamppod.
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Speaker 1: Angela Rye was my co host Andrew Gillam and Timmy Cross.
Speaker 3: Hi, y'all doing today? I'm real good. Let me just
Speaker 3: tell you what I've been doing this morning. Macy.
Speaker 4: Well, the people are listening can't see either, So what
Speaker 4: is it?
Speaker 1: Oh that's true the people listening, Casey. But well for
Speaker 1: the people watching video, they can't. This says Black Voters Matter.
Speaker 1: I was out hitting the block with Black Voters Matter
Speaker 1: this morning. Canvason knocking on doors still fulfilling the birthday
Speaker 1: dreams from a few days ago. I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: got to knock doors with y'all.
Speaker 5: You know nothing, No, I just mean the people that
Speaker 5: you get to talk to interact with.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was very good. It was good
Speaker 1: in part because it's always good to see folks. We
Speaker 1: met a woman named Miss Booker who was standing out
Speaker 1: the church house. She says she got an organic garden
Speaker 1: in the back. She said, let Georgia State. Know does
Speaker 1: she growing stuff in the back in case they want
Speaker 1: us cancer. She also gave Black Voters Matter a cash
Speaker 1: donational envelope.
Speaker 3: She said she was turning out votes. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3: Uh and so, and they said, just.
Speaker 1: So we're super clear in case the Trump folks want
Speaker 1: to come back and challenge their C three status.
Speaker 3: She said that.
Speaker 1: She they said they're gonna donate it to the C
Speaker 1: three satur things because that nobody else can take care.
Speaker 3: So see, it was a beautiful morning. I'm listening.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna explain to the audience why that
Speaker 4: matters and what C three means and all that that's
Speaker 4: definitely not common knowledge.
Speaker 1: But I don't need to in Okay, Well it's just
Speaker 1: a nonprofit. Yeah, it's a nonprofit. Look up a five
Speaker 1: oh one C three online and we could jump into
Speaker 1: our rundown today. All right, So we got a lot
Speaker 1: going on, you guys. I cannot believe when this episode
Speaker 1: airs there will be five days left until election day.
Speaker 1: We are talking about political violence, t if. I know
Speaker 1: that's you're your topic, and it's something that's near and
Speaker 1: dear to your heart.
Speaker 4: I think it's near and dear to all of our hearts.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, I feel like everybody's focused on election day,
Speaker 4: and I really think it's the wrong thing. I think
Speaker 4: we got to focus on what happens after election.
Speaker 5: Day, in addition, in addition.
Speaker 3: To on who commute.
Speaker 1: It's a good transition. He had Jesus on the main line.
Speaker 1: We got our first in studio yesterday. Ever, we never
Speaker 1: do this, but for such a time as this, he
Speaker 1: is he is. He's maybe we gonna keep him long enough,
Speaker 1: he'll stay with us.
Speaker 3: We might keep him as a close.
Speaker 1: Reverend Jamal Bryant is our good brother and friend. He
Speaker 1: has been tearing it up on his own podcast. He's
Speaker 1: been tearing it up in New Birth Missionary Baptist Church.
Speaker 3: He got engaged.
Speaker 1: He is hitting the streets for the for the campaign,
Speaker 1: letting people know what it is. He he heard a
Speaker 1: pastor call the church the Antichrist. He has something to
Speaker 1: say about that. He had Kamala Harris in the pulpit
Speaker 1: the other day. She had on a she had on
Speaker 1: a dress address she always got a pass. She said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the House of the Lord. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put my skirt on the day and she tore
Speaker 1: it down to packed the house.
Speaker 6: Son wore a lap scarf, she had a prayer claw.
Speaker 6: Yes they missed. The press missed that.
Speaker 3: Listen if she got a prayer clock.
Speaker 4: Anyway, aheads anymore. But when he said that, I'm like,
Speaker 4: that remind me of let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about why that is on the podcast already. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, well you started it.
Speaker 5: You can only imagine this story should be hearing Lord Lord.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I think is important for us
Speaker 1: to talk about tangential to political violence is why they.
Speaker 3: Burning up the ballot boxes, y'all.
Speaker 1: People dropping off their balance and they setting their boxes
Speaker 1: on fire and through some in the middle of the street.
Speaker 3: Andrew were gonna talk about that because you know that
Speaker 3: was in your state. What you got?
Speaker 5: That's it. I'm ready to jump in.
Speaker 1: So, y'all, this is such an exciting show. We have
Speaker 1: been challenged by the podcast Godfather who is Chris Morrow
Speaker 1: on our network often like why don't y'all have guests? Well, y'all,
Speaker 1: it is time we needed to bring a guest in
Speaker 1: studio to help us break down what is going on
Speaker 1: with the church because there's so much happening. We had
Speaker 1: Erica Campbell join us last week in Atlanta for our
Speaker 1: Spellhouse homecoming show, and she had this to say when
Speaker 1: we started talking about the Black church.
Speaker 7: I understand at the core of what abortion is people
Speaker 7: calling it murder. Okay, I get that, But if Jesus
Speaker 7: was here, what would he say to a woman who
Speaker 7: had to choose. He wouldn't tell her what to choose.
Speaker 7: The Bible says our place before you life and death,
Speaker 7: So it is your choice. So if God lets me choose,
Speaker 7: how dare a government tell me what I can do
Speaker 7: with my body if I'm doing the wrong thing. So
Speaker 7: some people do choose to do the wrong thing, they'll
Speaker 7: stand before God, not their government. And I think that
Speaker 7: it is our job to remember that the government is
Speaker 7: not my pastor. And if you got faith, no matter
Speaker 7: what the economic strategy is, God still supplies all my
Speaker 7: needs according to His which is in glory. Some are
Speaker 7: already operating on a different level. So I don't feel
Speaker 7: like even excluding somebody from the LGBTQ community if we
Speaker 7: just honest about it. And I know I'm gonna get
Speaker 7: in trouble for this. They already go to our churches,
Speaker 7: they already sing, They're already here so what is it
Speaker 7: that you're really talking about?
Speaker 1: And then, just as a contrast, there is a man
Speaker 1: who is the son of Jimmy Swaggert. If y'all don't
Speaker 1: know about Jimmy Swaggert, I highly encourage the listening audience
Speaker 1: to look him up. But Donnie Swagger had this to
Speaker 1: say about the black church and black pastors everywhere, including
Speaker 1: the one we're about to introduce, had some to say
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 8: But today, where are the pastors? Where are the preachers
Speaker 8: shunning out behind the sacred desk and proclaiming, Hey, listen, folks,
Speaker 8: we can't continue the way that we're going.
Speaker 6: Our nation cannot.
Speaker 9: Endure four more years of the Party of Molawk.
Speaker 6: Can't do it.
Speaker 9: I can't support a party that murders babies. I can't
Speaker 9: support a party that believes in men marrying men and
Speaker 9: women marrying women. I can't support a party that believes
Speaker 9: in uti lady, the little girls because their minds are
Speaker 9: confused over their gender. I can't support a party that
Speaker 9: doesn't believe.
Speaker 5: In the Word of God. Can't do it, will.
Speaker 10: Not do it.
Speaker 6: I refuse.
Speaker 1: So with that, I think this is the perfect time
Speaker 1: to introduce our guests. He's a fiery preacher, brilliant man.
Speaker 1: I've met him when I was in high school. Jamal
Speaker 1: Bryant was the Youth and College division director for the NAACP.
Speaker 1: To watch your rise, Pastor has been amazing. You have
Speaker 1: always been solid. I haven't known you to be anything
Speaker 1: other than a truth teller. So we are so grateful
Speaker 1: that you would join us here today.
Speaker 6: I'm updating my Wikipedia. I haven't made it.
Speaker 5: I'm on the publicast, and congratulations on yours.
Speaker 6: By the way, thank you killing it. Just as a footnote,
Speaker 6: Andrew knew my wife, my fiance before I did. Yes,
Speaker 6: he wrote her a letter of recommendation, so I'm back
Speaker 6: in the detail.
Speaker 3: And did you say in the recommendation letter?
Speaker 5: Quiet? But she is a brilliant, powerful, how willful preacher
Speaker 5: and her own right that sister can slang the word Bishop.
Speaker 5: You made a great choice.
Speaker 6: I'm grateful. Thank you for the endorsement.
Speaker 3: I love that so much.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to have this conversation one. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to be honest with you. The amount of tension
Speaker 1: in the Black church right now around who to vote for,
Speaker 1: around reproductive justice or around gay marriage, around racial justice,
Speaker 1: and whether or not we should even lean in or
Speaker 1: just be people of faith has been astounding to me.
Speaker 1: These are some of the things that I struggle with
Speaker 1: as a young Christian going to a church of God
Speaker 1: in christ Church and really trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: my lane was because my dad is an activist, right,
Speaker 1: so like where like what is God calling us to do?
Speaker 1: When it comes down to faith with our works is dead.
Speaker 1: We have the right to be here. We ain't asked
Speaker 1: to come, but we here now. So what does it
Speaker 1: look like to engage in What is the row of
Speaker 1: the church in.
Speaker 6: That I think we're looking at the postcolonial slave church
Speaker 6: as a lot of Black churches don't want to upset
Speaker 6: the mass on so they are ascribing to what they
Speaker 6: see on television. I want to put as a footnote
Speaker 6: is an activists like all of us to be mindful
Speaker 6: that the Black church in mass never supported doctor King.
Speaker 6: It's split the Baptis Convention. They have never been progressive,
Speaker 6: so there is no glory days. It has always been
Speaker 6: a small remnant to do it. One thing is that
Speaker 6: a lot of people are missing is that abortion is
Speaker 6: not on the ballot. Yeah in some states, yes, on
Speaker 6: a national thing, but I don't know how the preacher
Speaker 6: who you just listened to said he can't be in
Speaker 6: a party that supports a woman choosing, But he's in
Speaker 6: a party that supports banning books. He's a part of
Speaker 6: a party that schools will be fined if they teach
Speaker 6: black history. He is in a party that does not
Speaker 6: want to offer affordable health care. So when you talk
Speaker 6: about pro life, does it stop at the wound? Because
Speaker 6: this same party champions the death penalty. This same party
Speaker 6: doesn't want to give money to head start programs. So
Speaker 6: you can't pick and choose what is the ethics and
Speaker 6: the morality. And so I think that the Black church
Speaker 6: has got to clear its throat, oh uh and speak
Speaker 6: prophetically that there is an era and uh, their candidate
Speaker 6: does not reflect the morals that they are horsting.
Speaker 5: I often wonder, pastor, when you when you are in community,
Speaker 5: I mean you're you looked at, you know, within the
Speaker 5: Christian faith, and I assume other faiths as a also
Speaker 5: masterful handler of the word. You certainly uh are someone
Speaker 5: who has inspired me and I know many many many
Speaker 5: others along their walk. I wonder, does this conversation around
Speaker 5: the issues that we that that uh, that inteligious enumerated,
Speaker 5: whether it be l G B, t Q rights, women's
Speaker 5: right to decide the future for her own body. Are
Speaker 5: they new conversations within the confines of the Black Church?
Speaker 5: Is it? Are we revisiting old conversations or is it
Speaker 5: is it so easily just kind of swept under the
Speaker 5: rug and passed by we whisper about it. There are
Speaker 5: a couple of sermons on it, and and that's it.
Speaker 5: Have we deepened into a conversation reopened to can that's
Speaker 5: already been opened? Or is this our first time tuggling
Speaker 5: with this? And if so why At the same time,
Speaker 5: Kamala's the cannedy for President of the United States.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's deep seated issues is don't forget
Speaker 6: at its core the gospel is controversial and we want
Speaker 6: the gospel to be mainstream when the gospel in into
Speaker 6: itself is designed to be countercultural. It was the church
Speaker 6: that wanted to crucify Jesus, and so the issues that
Speaker 6: we are called to delve into. John Maxwell says, if
Speaker 6: you want to be like sell ice cream, our responsibility
Speaker 6: is not to be maseuse, but to be chiropractors. Is
Speaker 6: not to make people feel good, but to straighten us
Speaker 6: out so that we can stand upright. So I think
Speaker 6: that we've got to deal with the heavy lifting that
Speaker 6: a lot of people don't really like Jesus. They like religion.
Speaker 6: Jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself. What if my
Speaker 6: neighbor is LGBTQ, love my neighbor myself. What if my
Speaker 6: neighbors coming from the abortion clinic, love my neighbor as myself.
Speaker 6: What if they're just getting parolled and can't get a job.
Speaker 6: So those are the same neighbors we have a responsibility for.
Speaker 6: And the church has got a caution itself so it
Speaker 6: doesn't become a country club instead of being a community center.
Speaker 6: Desmond Tutu said something Tiffany that I really champion. Here's
Speaker 6: what Desmond Tutu said, at the end of every year,
Speaker 6: the poorest people in the community should vote to decide
Speaker 6: whether the churches stay open the next year, and if
Speaker 6: they don't have the votes, then they should close because
Speaker 6: they're not really making an impact. And I think that
Speaker 6: if we hold that model up to our churches, then
Speaker 6: we're going to see a real glaring indictment of what
Speaker 6: it is that we're really cultivate.
Speaker 4: Me ask you thank you for that. When you said
Speaker 4: Desmon Tutu said this, I thought you were about to
Speaker 4: toss to a sound bite. I'm like you right at home.
Speaker 4: I want to pull out a bit from the current
Speaker 4: election because I don't attend a church. I don't go
Speaker 4: to church every Sunday, and in fact, I know very
Speaker 4: few people who actually do attend a church. Just for
Speaker 4: context for our listeners and our viewers, so often when
Speaker 4: you hear evangelicals or evangelicalism in the media landscape, the
Speaker 4: white is silent. There's this presumption around race when it
Speaker 4: comes to religion, which is laughable to us, but that
Speaker 4: evangelicals are specific to white people, when in fact, most
Speaker 4: people who are white and evangelicals have been bound to
Speaker 4: the Republican Party. They presume that because they believe in
Speaker 4: God and they are Republicans, that they self identify as
Speaker 4: evangelicals despite never really going to church. So that's on
Speaker 4: their side of the aisle. On the black folks, though
Speaker 4: there's been a steady decline in church attendance, fort of
Speaker 4: Black millennials say they rarely, if attend church. Forty six
Speaker 4: percent of Black gen z ers say they rarely are
Speaker 4: never attend religious service. This is all according to Pew Research.
Speaker 4: Despite this decline, though, black people continue to be one
Speaker 4: of the most religious racial groups in the country. And
Speaker 4: I wonder your thoughts on that dichotomy between attending church
Speaker 4: services yet having a relationship with God.
Speaker 6: Yeah, two dimensions to that, Tiffany. This is the largest
Speaker 6: demographic of Black people since we've been in America who
Speaker 6: do not ascribe to organize faith in any way. The
Speaker 6: second part that that data does not disclose is that
Speaker 6: while those numbers are true of those who attend church,
Speaker 6: the lapse in that data from George Barner is that
Speaker 6: it's not showing how many young Black millennials and gen
Speaker 6: z stream church. So while they physically don't go, a
Speaker 6: lot of them watch online because quite frankly, they don't
Speaker 6: want to drive twenty five minutes. They don't want to
Speaker 6: be judged for teen two's and for piercings, and don't
Speaker 6: want to be reprimanded by the usher because they got
Speaker 6: on sunglasses and a hat. And so I think that
Speaker 6: the church has got to remarket itself because we got
Speaker 6: a great product, we just got bad wrapping paper. Because
Speaker 6: we want to be quote politically corrected you gotta wear
Speaker 6: a tie in a culture that no longer wears suits.
Speaker 6: Church is the only place. Negroes don't even get dressed
Speaker 6: to go to court. They don't even get dressed for
Speaker 6: their grandmother funeral. They wear spray paint t shirts. And
Speaker 6: so I think that we've got to repack Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: we got to repackage what that means and what is
Speaker 6: the gospel's amputated arm that we're not reaching the masses
Speaker 6: at that level real quick? And I don't want to
Speaker 6: belabor the point. Our generation, most of all of us,
Speaker 6: I guess in the same age group. So we grew
Speaker 6: up watching The Love Boat, watching Good Times, watching Fantasy Island.
Speaker 6: This is the largest generation. You off top. Isaac is
Speaker 6: now coming up from the Leado deck.
Speaker 3: Listen, you guys know I have a d D. He
Speaker 3: sent me down a road.
Speaker 6: Come listen, come home. This is the largest demographic that
Speaker 6: watches unscripted television. Uh so they're watching Black Ink are
Speaker 6: Real Housewives of New York and love for me? You're
Speaker 6: going to do it rest.
Speaker 4: On the podcast talk about my eighties.
Speaker 6: He threw the whole palm tree. He through the.
Speaker 1: Should have said Atlanta, which is where we are.
Speaker 4: Anyway anyway back to what the bastor.
Speaker 6: Was saying, Yes, as I was saying, tefy.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad people gonna see this and know now
Speaker 1: while we.
Speaker 6: Crazy and yes, so a lot of the preachers are
Speaker 6: doing scripted messages for unscripted generation and so they don't
Speaker 6: come off as authentic. Angela. You would know from that
Speaker 6: last election cycle, nobody thought that Trump was more intelligent
Speaker 6: than Hillary. Nobody thought he had more experience, nobody thought
Speaker 6: he had a greater global grass. The poll said she
Speaker 6: was more relatable. He was more relatable, yeah, that they
Speaker 6: could connect more with him, that she was overly polished,
Speaker 6: and I think that the church in a lot of
Speaker 6: ways are overly polished. To the second part of your
Speaker 6: question on white evangelicals, the data is still true. The
Speaker 6: most segregated hour in America is still eleven o'clock on Sundays,
Speaker 6: and they have that influential voice because more often than
Speaker 6: not it's the white preachers who were on television. True
Speaker 6: black people are still on AM radios someday three to
Speaker 6: seven BM and so I think that we've got to
Speaker 6: enlarge what our message is and hold them accountable. It's
Speaker 6: amazing you only see a multi cultural church when there's
Speaker 6: a white pastor.
Speaker 1: What I really want to I really want to ask
Speaker 1: this question. So you talk about it being the most
Speaker 1: segregated hour again, So you guys, we've not really talked
Speaker 1: about all my holy rolling days, but we should at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna go too far down.
Speaker 1: The road, but I was shocked, yes, to know that
Speaker 1: some of the folks that I would watch on TV
Speaker 1: and the John Haggis, the Rod Persons parsonally Parson personally,
Speaker 1: I don't know who Rod Persons is, but y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: Like I used to. They sounded like us Jesse do planets?
Speaker 6: All of them sounded like got black pread teams, Yes,
Speaker 6: but no black people on the trustee board.
Speaker 3: And no black interests in their sermons. So I guess,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: My question is what do the conversations look like when
Speaker 1: you talk to white clergy, your white counterpart? Yes, have
Speaker 1: you ever had a conversation where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this. I clearly need to be back
Speaker 1: in activism and I need to be running for office.
Speaker 3: We got to go to a break. But I want
Speaker 3: to answer, have you answered that question?
Speaker 11: Is just that sid on the other side.
Speaker 6: So your answer, sir, the answer is, let's not forget
Speaker 6: the conversation that doctor King had with Billy Graham and
Speaker 6: asked him, because black people are coming to your crusades
Speaker 6: and to your events and filling your stadiums, how are
Speaker 6: you not saying anything about integration? And Billy Graham said,
Speaker 6: my call is just to preach Jesus. Your call is
Speaker 6: to talk about Jesus and activism. So he never cross pollinated.
Speaker 6: And I think what you're saying is a lot of
Speaker 6: selective biblical criticism from white evangelicals who will champion abortion
Speaker 6: but will not say anything about aggressive police, will never
Speaker 6: say anything about the prison pipeline. So you can't pick
Speaker 6: and choose. What are of equality?
Speaker 3: Do you talk to them?
Speaker 6: Oh, they won't talk to me, so let me let
Speaker 6: me give you. Let me just give you. I used
Speaker 6: to be on all of the Christian networks. I was
Speaker 6: on TBN, on Day Star, all of them until what happened.
Speaker 6: I didn't support Trump. This is true story. From the
Speaker 6: moment I didn't support Trump, I was effectively canceled from community.
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, you know it's interesting.
Speaker 5: Economics, right, economics.
Speaker 6: In the church.
Speaker 4: You guys, remember when Donald Trump went before I forget
Speaker 4: whose congregation it was at Liberty University. I think it
Speaker 4: was a religious school, and they asked in this pool
Speaker 4: got out there talking about I want to read from
Speaker 4: Two Corinthians. Is hypocritical. I think when when we hear
Speaker 4: about Christians and you know, pastor, I heard you say,
Speaker 4: you know, they have the issue of abortion. I don't
Speaker 4: call them pro life, that's what they call themselves, but
Speaker 4: they are really anti choice because even when you talk
Speaker 4: about the issue of abortion and you go to these
Speaker 4: churches and these are oftentimes members of their congregation are wealthy,
Speaker 4: even some of the pastors themselves, they are wealthy, and
Speaker 4: they are out front on this issue of abortion. And
Speaker 4: so you always ask, well, how many children have you adopted,
Speaker 4: because you're saying that's an avenue for these women. How
Speaker 4: many black children or brown children have you adopted. I'd
Speaker 4: be concerned about a black kid growing up in a
Speaker 4: space like that, And they don't answer. So I think
Speaker 4: the it is a hypocrisy blanketed by really the desire
Speaker 4: for power. And I don't know that that because there
Speaker 4: are I actually have seen churches with black pastors, but
Speaker 4: they different. They different, you know, they are a different
Speaker 4: kind of black pastor black pastors with multi.
Speaker 6: Definitely is the underbelling. The underbeling nobody deals with it
Speaker 6: is more white girls have abortion than the past. Yeah,
Speaker 6: nobody deals with that. Uh. And the reality is they
Speaker 6: have painted this face on all of the black baby.
Speaker 6: But the reason why they're trying to safeguard it, and
Speaker 6: Andrew would have the numbers better than me, is that
Speaker 6: they see the shrinking majority, uh, and they want to
Speaker 6: try to uh make sure that they keep some leverage
Speaker 6: of control because as that comedian said, is the Puerto
Speaker 6: Rican's gonna have babies. The black people are gonna have
Speaker 6: the babies. They we're gonna have him scared, We're gonna
Speaker 6: have him and go live at our grandmother house. We're
Speaker 6: gonna go and live in on our best friend's couch. Uh.
Speaker 6: And so it is that really them trying to do
Speaker 6: some population control because otherwise they want you to have
Speaker 6: the baby, but they don't want to offer prenatal care.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I want you to have the baby, uh,
Speaker 6: but they're not dealing with the inequator amount Angela, you
Speaker 6: would have it of black women who die on the
Speaker 6: table because they're not getting the kind of support that
Speaker 6: they need, and so let's not just leave it as
Speaker 6: a myopic issue when a whole lot of other panople
Speaker 6: that we got to open up with.
Speaker 4: What's your prediction? Because I think the point that you
Speaker 4: just made about white women is so key, and I
Speaker 4: told you I am hopeful that white women, a significant
Speaker 4: amount of white women if she can cut into that
Speaker 4: fifty two percent.
Speaker 1: By as soon as said this, all these white women
Speaker 1: start walking down the stairs that I have.
Speaker 4: To get me.
Speaker 6: We got you.
Speaker 4: As Let me just say, I got salt and Peppa.
Speaker 4: I ain't scared.
Speaker 3: Okay, God, you didn't kiss them today. You didn't kiss them.
Speaker 4: These girls stay ready. Anyhow, I think that white women
Speaker 4: will go and do the right thing this election because
Speaker 4: it's an issue that directly impacts them. You're right, proportionally
Speaker 4: white women have more abortions than black women. But I
Speaker 4: want to hear from you based on what you see,
Speaker 4: based on conversations with your congregation in the community, especially
Speaker 4: being based in Atlanta. What's your prediction for the election?
Speaker 6: I think number one. I think the fifth we're going
Speaker 6: to have a slumber party. I don't think that we're
Speaker 6: going to know the answer that night. I don't think
Speaker 6: that we'll know till midday on the sixth. I am
Speaker 6: concerned for places like Georgia that they won't certify the election.
Speaker 6: President Trump gave a tip of his hat the other
Speaker 6: day in New York and said that they got a surprise,
Speaker 6: he and Speaker Johnson, and so I think that it's
Speaker 6: going to be a lot of upheaval. I think that
Speaker 6: the only way that we will have peace is if
Speaker 6: Vice President wins by landslide. If it is close, it's
Speaker 6: going to be terrible. I don't know if you all
Speaker 6: saw just recently President Trump posted that pennsylvaniaish.
Speaker 5: China because he's losing.
Speaker 6: For him to say that now week out is they
Speaker 6: are already trying to put a seed plot in the ground.
Speaker 6: So I'm praying that it's going to be not an
Speaker 6: October surprise, but a November surprise.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: And we know that Republicans just asked the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: to block to block the sorry to block the counting
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania provisional ballots, So they're setting it up even
Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court level. Supreme Court cited with Governor
Speaker 1: Younkin in Virginia on throwing out votes that they challenged
Speaker 1: these folks citizenship on and Tiff I think to this
Speaker 1: point that gets right to the heart of the political
Speaker 1: violence that you've been raising on every single I think we.
Speaker 4: Have a viewer question that takes us right to that point.
Speaker 4: I want to be sure to get them in. So
Speaker 4: let's roll that question and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 10: Good afternoon, name of Layam Pond. This is Thomas and
Speaker 10: I come to you from the Dayton and Springfield, Ohio area.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Angela and Wilberforce.
Speaker 10: I live not too far from here, so thank you
Speaker 10: for your efforts there, and I worked in Springfield, so
Speaker 10: I have seen the cultural implications that have happened in
Speaker 10: Springfield and obviously nationwide with the political discourse and cultural
Speaker 10: discourse and everything that's going on, and then with the
Speaker 10: obviously the Madison Square Garden comments and everything that's happened
Speaker 10: in the past eight years nine years with Donald Trump
Speaker 10: being the Republican candidate. When Kamala Harris gets elected, and
Speaker 10: that's a hope of mine and I'm sure of everybody
Speaker 10: there and anybody who listens to this podcast, once she
Speaker 10: gets elected, do you think that she will be enough
Speaker 10: to heal everything that's happened over the past couple of
Speaker 10: election cycles. Thanks for taking my question. Have good day. Hmm.
Speaker 4: He looked like he in a truck. If he a
Speaker 4: truck driver, I want to him out because my brother
Speaker 4: is a truck driver. As I said, so shout out
Speaker 4: to truck drivers. Just so our listeners and viewers. No,
Speaker 4: Angela is on the board of Wilberforest. That's why he
Speaker 4: was saying thank you to Angela for are.
Speaker 6: You really my grandparents met it one.
Speaker 3: I did not know that. Yes, I'm on the board.
Speaker 1: It is long even on this my highest honor. I've
Speaker 1: been on the board for six years.
Speaker 3: Six year.
Speaker 4: Shout out.
Speaker 6: I teach you paint seminary you do yes?
Speaker 5: The response guest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think yeah. The number one I think that
Speaker 6: I don't want us to put an unfair weight on
Speaker 6: Vice President uh for the responsibility that was part of
Speaker 6: the onus that was shelved on to President Obama that
Speaker 6: he was given the responsibility to heal the racial divide
Speaker 6: in eight years to override three hundred and Trump is
Speaker 6: evidenced that it didn't work. So I think that she
Speaker 6: is better positioned to heal the country than President Trump will,
Speaker 6: but I think that all hands have to be on deck.
Speaker 6: I was in South Africa as a student doing study
Speaker 6: abroad when President Mandela was elected, and they had something
Speaker 6: all over South Africa called the Truth and Reconciliation where
Speaker 6: people were able to give hearings of their experience and
Speaker 6: to discuss how they had been impacted. Because President Mandela
Speaker 6: was of the mind you really can't govern in post
Speaker 6: apartheid culture when you still have the tremors of the
Speaker 6: impact of that trauma. And so until America really faces
Speaker 6: it's not going to happen. But the second level, James Cone,
Speaker 6: Great to Liberation theologian said, the greatest thing in America
Speaker 6: after racism is sexist And so now we've got two
Speaker 6: different wounds that we've got to handle. And what I
Speaker 6: meant to speak to Tiffany, the reason why it is
Speaker 6: so difficult for the Black church to get behind Kamala
Speaker 6: is because we have apostolic misogyny. A lot of Black
Speaker 6: churches still don't let women preach, still don't let women mam,
Speaker 6: and so it is gonna be a problem.
Speaker 4: And seeing that data, but in your experience, you found
Speaker 4: it difficult for the Black church to back Vice Resident Harris.
Speaker 6: Well, they wouldn't be polled. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm saying,
Speaker 6: And a lot of Apostolic and Pentecosta reformations. In twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four. Women still can't pastor, that's right. They still
Speaker 6: can't be ordained the elders in the church. And so
Speaker 6: now this will uproot their theology that you can't be
Speaker 6: a pastor, but you can't be a president.
Speaker 3: Women are not supposed to be the head.
Speaker 6: There we are.
Speaker 1: And now there's a thing where I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard this one. They say, Well, making her ahead
Speaker 1: of the country doesn't mean that she's the head of
Speaker 1: her household.
Speaker 6: A whole lot of white women who are head of
Speaker 6: a house.
Speaker 5: Cognitive sort of dissidence I think between the membership and
Speaker 5: its leadership when it comes to the Black Church, because
Speaker 5: there are things that I've heard preached about that I
Speaker 5: would never follow. It has not necessarily turned me away
Speaker 5: from the Black Church, as it is largely because the
Speaker 5: Black Church is still a place regardless of what levels
Speaker 5: you reach in society, how wealthy you are, how far
Speaker 5: you have to drive to get to it, that prioritizes
Speaker 5: the issues that confront us By virtue of our race.
Speaker 5: It's a place where our humanity is still seen first,
Speaker 5: and whether you're wealthy or not so wealthy, there's still
Speaker 5: some shared experience there which doesn't necessarily have and for
Speaker 5: a lot of other folks in a lot of different faiths.
Speaker 5: But but I think the memberships of the church. I
Speaker 5: agree with you. Jeff, you're you're you know you're where
Speaker 5: you were headed, which was that I think we're gonna
Speaker 5: overwhelmingly be behind Kamala Harris. But Pastor, you're completely right.
Speaker 5: I got offended in one place where they made my wife,
Speaker 5: who was introducing me, speak from a podium on the floor,
Speaker 5: whereas I was behind the microphone. And then when I
Speaker 5: put it together, no woman got behind the microphone. All
Speaker 5: of them spoke from the floor, and that wasn't the
Speaker 5: same situation for men.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: This is a frustration of mine. I'm curious if it
Speaker 5: plagues any of y'all. But I was having a conversation
Speaker 5: yesterday with a conservative for one of our UH support
Speaker 5: staff here for Native Land podcast that he runs, and
Speaker 5: the conservative a number of times evoked, well, black babies
Speaker 5: this or the black community in Chicago and Philadelphia. No, no,
Speaker 5: da and I would say, you know, the only time
Speaker 5: I hear y'all is concerned about black folks is in
Speaker 5: juxtaposition to how bad it is that we have it
Speaker 5: here in America. But I never hear you doing anything
Speaker 5: about it. You don't rise up with me at a march,
Speaker 5: You don't rise up with us on the conditions of
Speaker 5: economic parody, so on and so forth. Why is it
Speaker 5: that you seem to only name check us when it's
Speaker 5: in relationship to something negative that's going on as some
Speaker 5: provocation for me to now vote for Donald Trump. I
Speaker 5: don't know how you handle these debates. I didn't end
Speaker 5: up ultimately going there because I didn't want to again
Speaker 5: deepen into sort of the racial divide thing. But it's
Speaker 5: a total annoyance to me that that's the only time
Speaker 5: I seem to hear this debate. Donald Trump, his running mate,
Speaker 5: their surrogates, all of us, all of them seem to
Speaker 5: name check black folks, but only yes in comparison and
Speaker 5: to further suggests how bad things are for us, and
Speaker 5: then there's a complete abandonment of us.
Speaker 6: It's selective marketing because they don't talk about Ayowa and
Speaker 6: the opioid addiction. They don't talk about North Dakota in
Speaker 6: fentanyl that they're not dealing with the level of white
Speaker 6: teens in suburban centers who are committing suicide. Uh. And
Speaker 6: so I think that we've got to enlarge the conversation. Uh.
Speaker 6: That is not even just a black problem or white problem,
Speaker 6: but it is reflective of an American problem.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 6: And Andrew, you best poised than any of us, can
Speaker 6: really sound that alarm about what it is that it means.
Speaker 6: You're one of the most consequential figures for our generation
Speaker 6: in one of the most critical regions, and your voice
Speaker 6: is so necessary from that depth of experience that you
Speaker 6: have in wisdom to really speak it and to take
Speaker 6: it on. It ain't just in Duval, but is happening
Speaker 6: is happening all the loaf Uh. And you've got to
Speaker 6: highlight and so I would encourage you to go on
Speaker 6: those spaces because they not let me an angel.
Speaker 4: I'm want to make this point about fentanyl because that
Speaker 4: is something that the right actually does bring up consistently
Speaker 4: around fentanyl, and they try to link it with the
Speaker 4: immigration status. And so I just want to offer some
Speaker 4: information there. The largest known group of fentanyl smugglers is
Speaker 4: actually not made of immigrant immigrants acrossing the border. They
Speaker 4: are Americans coming through legal ports of entry. So more
Speaker 4: than eighty percent of the people's sentence for fentanyl trafficking
Speaker 4: at the southern border are US citizens. And that's according
Speaker 4: to US all day. Just so we're clear. Someday, Well,
Speaker 4: I want to well, I have a question for you guys,
Speaker 4: because I want to stick with this theme of political violence.
Speaker 4: I you know, is my assertion. I think we're focused
Speaker 4: on the wrong thing, like election Day is going to happen.
Speaker 4: I Angela knows. I tell her all the time, she's
Speaker 4: gonna win. She's gonna win. She's gonna win. But to
Speaker 4: the viewer's question, in terms of what happens next, I
Speaker 4: do I am bracing myself for violence. I think y
Speaker 4: will come in the courts. I think violence will come
Speaker 4: in media. I think violence will come at the ballot
Speaker 4: box as we've seen, and I think violence will as
Speaker 4: certainly come in the street. Angela, you and I run
Speaker 4: the phone yesterday we were talking about this. I was
Speaker 4: talking to my sister Latasha, who did an Instagram posting
Speaker 4: this Latasha Brown, who runs Black Voters Matter, And you
Speaker 4: guys are saying I don't know, it feels different this time.
Speaker 4: You know, this rhetoric feels different, and I want you
Speaker 4: to talk about why it feels different. But I just
Speaker 4: to remind people of what has because everybody, the media
Speaker 4: made a big deal out of Madison Square Garden rally
Speaker 4: with all the racism, and it's like, were you guys
Speaker 4: not paying attention the past ten years in the media landscape,
Speaker 4: it's nothing new. I just want to play some sound
Speaker 4: from one of his rallies in twenty sixteen, and this
Speaker 4: is all nat sound that you will hear from attendees,
Speaker 4: and I'll try to talk through it for the people
Speaker 4: who can't see it. Nick, let's roll that clip.
Speaker 6: You're making me leave to.
Speaker 5: Walk up ahead.
Speaker 6: God bless Brown.
Speaker 5: I'm taking the shirt off. I'm not bucking a baby.
Speaker 4: What's your problem with talk?
Speaker 6: Said Usman is not a religion partner anology? You don't
Speaker 6: I'm talking about America.
Speaker 5: You don't want to talk about.
Speaker 6: Obama. The Trump, our president has divided this country. He
Speaker 6: doesn't do back there.
Speaker 3: Just tron the hell.
Speaker 6: You're talking about.
Speaker 3: Silas.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that may more kinds of Spanish.
Speaker 6: Next together.
Speaker 4: Who So that's from a rally? In twenty sixteen. If
Speaker 4: you're listening and not watching, it was constant scenes of violence.
Speaker 4: If you didn't hear some of the things they were saying,
Speaker 4: they use the F word rhymes with rag. They said
Speaker 4: F that nigger referring to President Obama. So I just
Speaker 4: want to punctuate the point what we're seeing is nothing new.
Speaker 4: We have all this has been consistent with his rally.
Speaker 4: So it was very disconcerting to me to see the
Speaker 4: media handle Madison Square Garden with shock and awe when
Speaker 4: this is what has been consistent at Trump rallies since
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. Again, this is from twenty sixteen, almost eight
Speaker 4: years ago. So I just wonder what it is that
Speaker 4: feels different and just curious you guys thoughts on the landscape.
Speaker 4: That's Angela Andrew and Pastor Bryant would love to hear
Speaker 4: from you.
Speaker 3: Let's go to break and then we'll talk about what
Speaker 3: we think under this side.
Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Native Lyon podcast. I'm Pastor Jamal Bryant.
Speaker 6: I'm still in shock and awe from the video we
Speaker 6: just listened to. It is dizzying. But Tiffany, I think
Speaker 6: that we have really become a nesteized that the bizarre
Speaker 6: has become normal, that there is.
Speaker 5: Now no low bar.
Speaker 6: No matter what it is that happens, We've just accepted
Speaker 6: it and have gone on. It has not even lasted
Speaker 6: a full new cycle on the insults against Puerto Rico.
Speaker 6: It's not even a blink of the eye that doctor
Speaker 6: Phil said America doesn't need DEI because it was completely
Speaker 6: built on hard work. We're seeing your time and time again,
Speaker 6: and to our amazement as critical thinkers, people are drinking
Speaker 6: it by the gallon with a straw. To say to
Speaker 6: the comedian in New York, he was just joking the
Speaker 6: doctor Phil, Oh, well, you know he's really not a doctor,
Speaker 6: to the president saying, oh, I don't think we even
Speaker 6: vet who speaks at the microphone. And so I think
Speaker 6: that places like Native Land have got to keep our
Speaker 6: eyes open to say that it's happening right in our midst.
Speaker 6: The fact of the matter is that they can stay
Speaker 6: in an open mic that January sixth was just a
Speaker 6: festival of love since to us that we are in
Speaker 6: the lost episode of the Twilight Zone. And so I
Speaker 6: think that we've got to keep our foot on the gas.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I ah, no, no, no, you got it. She wanted
Speaker 5: you to expressivis differ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: What feels different? Yeah. What feels different to me is
Speaker 3: I think that although we know that they were.
Speaker 1: Boldly saying violent things, being extraordinarily racist, despite people shocking
Speaker 1: all that racism was a name that we could throw
Speaker 1: out at Donald Trump, not just from twenty sixteen, but
Speaker 1: from his history of birth rihism, refusing to rent to
Speaker 1: black people in the full page as he took out
Speaker 1: on the Central Park five. I think what felt different
Speaker 1: is they said it in the crowd, they set it
Speaker 1: outside of the building. There were dog whistles that I
Speaker 1: think became foghorns. But I think this time what was
Speaker 1: different to me is it was in New York on
Speaker 1: a mic joke after joke after our jokes that weren't funny, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know colin Puerto Rico and Island of Garbage saying that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was getting there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he had another one for Latinos saying, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't pull out just like they don't do in
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 3: It just just vile and disgusting.
Speaker 4: Jokes, right, And it wasn't just me, I'm clear, everybody
Speaker 4: who took the podium a madimatolage and.
Speaker 1: It was all of the folks in the crowd who
Speaker 1: laughed to agree. Some folks grown, but they didn't leave.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 1: I think that that felt very different to me. It
Speaker 1: feels this time like they're even bolder with it. To
Speaker 1: your point, Pastor where you said that, you know, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump says, we have a surprise for you, me and
Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson. That is bolder, you know, than he has
Speaker 1: been before.
Speaker 3: This man has been.
Speaker 1: Indicted for this right, and now he's like, let me
Speaker 1: get back on here and say, y'all were really gonna
Speaker 1: take this thing.
Speaker 3: They're gonna try to take it from us, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna get bolder with it.
Speaker 1: Not Is it that he's just bold at the mic
Speaker 1: and bold with an alleged comedian. They're also bold with
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court challenges. There was a time where there
Speaker 1: was a respected window. I think it's a ninety day
Speaker 1: period where you do not challenge what's happening in the
Speaker 1: voting booth.
Speaker 3: They're like, the hell with that.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is on our side anyway, and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court is ruled in their favor. That is the
Speaker 1: very thing that I think we've been most afraid of
Speaker 1: on this podcast. So it does feel remarkably different to
Speaker 1: the point, it feels like it.
Speaker 4: But I just I will just punctuate Angela. They were
Speaker 4: saying those same things at the microphone then Donald Trump himself, Well,
Speaker 4: I didn't see it. That's my point, like we it's
Speaker 4: so much coming at us that we literally forget.
Speaker 6: We can't your point, you know, to your point, Tiffany,
Speaker 6: that on political violence, psychologists will say there are seven
Speaker 6: different forms of abuse, and we only focus on physical
Speaker 6: We don't deal with verbal abuse, we don't deal with
Speaker 6: the emotional abuse, we don't deal with financial abuse. And
Speaker 6: so what we're seeing is sophisticated racism. They're not burning
Speaker 6: crosses in front of the church anymore. They're redlining the
Speaker 6: zip code around the church. Uh, they're doing a gentrification
Speaker 6: at a high velocity speed. They are really changing the laws.
Speaker 6: If we're listening intently, that if you teach black history,
Speaker 6: your school will lose funding. I think that the yes,
Speaker 6: the violence that you're speaking of is happening, and we're
Speaker 6: getting punched into chests and have a fractured ribcage and
Speaker 6: got black eyes and don't notice it because we're putting
Speaker 6: on mac lipstick on time. But the abuse is a
Speaker 6: whole lot more intense than what it was past.
Speaker 5: You're so right around the way in which the violence
Speaker 5: is being delivered. It's more palatable in some forms and
Speaker 5: less palatable in others. The video that the Tiffany Q
Speaker 5: obviously is overt out loud. No one can shuck and
Speaker 5: turn their eyes away from the fact that it is
Speaker 5: exactly what it looks like. But in a state like Florida,
Speaker 5: and Florida is not alone, It's multiplied, you know, by
Speaker 5: the tens in other states, all across the traditional south
Speaker 5: of the US. You've got governors who have already put
Speaker 5: into place policies that extract the teaching of black history
Speaker 5: out of curriculum. They've already changed what kind of information
Speaker 5: is contained on tests, statewide tests that kids are taking
Speaker 5: every single year to again extricate the truth of American
Speaker 5: history out of it from it and then to of
Speaker 5: course rip those books off the shelves with no penalty
Speaker 5: to face, no penalty to be faced, but because it's
Speaker 5: being delivered by a governor who wears a suit or
Speaker 5: a nice dress with a flower on top of it,
Speaker 5: that somehow it is appropriate and not only appropriate but
Speaker 5: right for the times, reflective of our political environment, reflective of,
Speaker 5: by and large, the cultural center at the time. All
Speaker 5: those things they're happening already. You said, you know, mac
Speaker 5: lipstick on a pig, But that's exactly the form and
Speaker 5: to take it. And I say all that to say
Speaker 5: that this is not just a problem or a party
Speaker 5: of Donald Trump. You can remove him if you want.
Speaker 5: I hope we do so successfully throughout this, you know,
Speaker 5: in this election cycle, by soundly and roundly defeating him.
Speaker 5: But his policies, what he is advancing, what he's talking about,
Speaker 5: he's just you know, he's just a messier spokesperson. But
Speaker 5: the truth is is that this is what they believe.
Speaker 5: This is who they are. These are the policies that
Speaker 5: they are advancing in our states, all across the country.
Speaker 5: They're no different. And that's what I hope, you know,
Speaker 5: to the earlier question of will a Kamala have to
Speaker 5: you know, be the right person to sort of get
Speaker 5: us past our divides, well, it takes two partners. It
Speaker 5: takes more than her. Hare's got to be willing participants
Speaker 5: opposite her on the other side. And when you got
Speaker 5: the speaker of the House, who's trading secrets of Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: likely about how it is that they want to steal
Speaker 5: this election. You got Mitch McConnell, who is about to
Speaker 5: be outgoing leader, but while he was there, he stole
Speaker 5: the US Supreme Court and hated Republicans in taking over
Speaker 5: the court. So I am I'm less dreary about the
Speaker 5: outcome of the election at this point in time, because
Speaker 5: I think we will do what we need to do
Speaker 5: to deliver at least Kamala Harris into the presidency. But
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not terrified about the violence and the forms
Speaker 5: that it may take. I'm terrified about what the next
Speaker 5: four years are going to look like in the States
Speaker 5: and even at the federal level, where they're coming to
Speaker 5: continue to produce this very disruptive and harmful agenda to
Speaker 5: our communities. And they're going to do it and it
Speaker 5: won't get the attention that Donald Trump is getting because
Speaker 5: it's going to be delivered in a pretty package with
Speaker 5: a bow, rather than you know, chaotically and with violence
Speaker 5: and all the other stuff that makes us all in
Speaker 5: polite society clutch pearls. I don't believe that that's the
Speaker 5: way it's going to happen. But I think that's going
Speaker 5: to be the most detrimental part.
Speaker 6: It is the last opportunity for the Black Church and
Speaker 6: our traditional civil rights organizations to prove themselves.
Speaker 3: Andrew, I know that's your computer Nation, I know it is.
Speaker 5: It could be somebody on the production and you don't
Speaker 5: know it.
Speaker 1: I don't know thumb is ding it anyway. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing that I also wanted to put on y'all's radar.
Speaker 3: That's making me nervous.
Speaker 1: So we know that there have been ballot boxes set
Speaker 1: on fire in Arizona, in my own state of Washington,
Speaker 1: and in Oregon. Some folks are saying that those articles
Speaker 1: are saying not just the people are saying, but articles
Speaker 1: are saying that there have been association with Gazza protesters
Speaker 1: free guys associated with those ballot boxes burning. But there
Speaker 1: was also some ballots found in the middle of the street.
Speaker 1: Andrew and tif I said that to y'all, and I
Speaker 1: was like trigger warning because I tell Pastor, I tell
Speaker 1: Andrew all the time, Like, I don't know who's more
Speaker 1: frustrated about that alleged election loss in twenty eighteen, me
Speaker 1: or Andrew. Because it's stuff like this that happens in Florida.
Speaker 1: So they find these ballots in the middle of the
Speaker 1: street and this man turns them in to the police station.
Speaker 1: There's a sealed bag in a sealed box. He takes
Speaker 1: them into the police station. Yesterday, they said that they're fine,
Speaker 1: they certified them, they're good.
Speaker 3: But what, like, where are they doing? They just drop
Speaker 3: it off? Mellisin, Like, that's violence.
Speaker 12: I believe anymore on all that. I mean, verification, verify,
Speaker 12: verify verified. Yeah, I mean even in eighteen, even in eighteen,
Speaker 12: we had, you know, issues.
Speaker 4: There were ballots they refused to count that.
Speaker 3: Were in the post.
Speaker 5: I remember there was a bomber and he was sending
Speaker 5: bombs through the mail into Florida in twenty eighteen, which
Speaker 5: then slowed down in counties like Broward and Miami Dade,
Speaker 5: largely targeting black post offices and Palm Beach County like
Speaker 5: post offices or at least where patrons where the majority
Speaker 5: of patrons tend to be black, and it halted the
Speaker 5: delivery of mail because they bought in an additional level
Speaker 5: of security screening so that these employees wouldn't be opening
Speaker 5: this mail. And some explosion happens and Unfortunately, some of
Speaker 5: the opening of that mail drug on beyond the point
Speaker 5: of certification and so thousands all of that. So they
Speaker 5: know how to disrupt elections, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 6: They know how to do it.
Speaker 5: The lack of certifications. That only good news I have
Speaker 5: to think about the certification process is that in a
Speaker 5: lot of these places where they're refusing certification, the precincts
Speaker 5: are actually majority Republican precincts, and so the nullification of
Speaker 5: the vote is actually the nullification of their votes. You
Speaker 5: can't go to a black precinct unless you live in
Speaker 5: that precinct and be on the certification board there. You
Speaker 5: must be a voting member in that precinct in order
Speaker 5: to certify or to refuse certification. So the good I think,
Speaker 5: just like they did injury to themselves and the midterm
Speaker 5: elections after twenty twenty Donald Trump telling people not to
Speaker 5: mail in ballots cost them. They're creating reliability of the system.
Speaker 5: Saying elections are being stolen actually depressed their turnout Black
Speaker 5: folks that have persisted through this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's the thing, like I think that
Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge, Like one, this is one place
Speaker 1: where I disagree with you slightly on a nuanced I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a good idea to have anybody believing
Speaker 1: that elections aren't reliable and that we count we can't
Speaker 1: count on the vote.
Speaker 3: I think it is also frustrating.
Speaker 1: That there are places that are predominantly black where our
Speaker 1: votes are constantly challenged, tried suppressed.
Speaker 3: And even when you look at what the Supreme Court's.
Speaker 1: Involvement in this, they're the same ones that have essentially
Speaker 1: got rid of, gutted section five and section four of
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act and take took the teas out
Speaker 1: of section two.
Speaker 3: So now right before literally by the time our episode airs,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be five days out pastor now.
Speaker 1: It is these these people who we say are not
Speaker 1: citizens in Virginia, their ballots don't count.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 1: That's a voter perb that's a purchase of the rules
Speaker 1: right before election day.
Speaker 3: That is violent.
Speaker 1: If when you talk about what's happening in Pennsylvania, to
Speaker 1: be clear, Joe Biden only won Pennsylvania by eighty thousand votes,
Speaker 1: them saying that provisional ballots cannot get counted regardless of
Speaker 1: if a mail in ballot is counted.
Speaker 3: Is an affront to democracy. It really really is.
Speaker 1: And I think no matter what side of the aisle
Speaker 1: you stand on, you guys, I don't know if our
Speaker 1: listeners know this.
Speaker 3: The Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 1: In every single reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act until
Speaker 1: Barack Obama became president was a bipartisan vote. It was
Speaker 1: very rare for a Republican to vote against the Voting
Speaker 1: Rights Act reauthorization. Even in nineteen sixty five, there were
Speaker 1: a handful of folks that voted against it.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't got the exact numbers, but look
Speaker 3: it up to in fact check me.
Speaker 4: That is for sure.
Speaker 3: But now all of a sudden, when black people.
Speaker 1: Can get to the top of the ballot, a sudden,
Speaker 1: we got all these voting challenges and concerns, and we
Speaker 1: need voter ID and early voting days.
Speaker 3: We can't have them that long.
Speaker 1: And you want to be vote absentee? Why are you
Speaker 1: voting absentee? And we want to make sure that you're
Speaker 1: actually a citizen. We want to make you prove that
Speaker 1: you're worthy of the vote, despite the fact that your
Speaker 1: ancestors died for this right is It is a major problem.
Speaker 1: It needs to be confronted, and I don't think we
Speaker 1: should be looking at this at a partisan level at all.
Speaker 1: It is politically violent on all sides to try to
Speaker 1: discount and deterve people from believing in a democracy that
Speaker 1: yes it's fragile, then yes, in many ways is fractured,
Speaker 1: but it is not broken and it can be perfected.
Speaker 3: Didn't mean to be good, and that's so bad.
Speaker 4: I think, just like factually speaking, that is a consistent
Speaker 4: problem that was so baked into the media that it
Speaker 4: wasn't even covered. You know, I've talked about this a
Speaker 4: lot on the show. But in Detroit in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: more than eighty voting machines malfunctioned, which resulted in discrepancies
Speaker 4: in fifty nine percent of the precincts. I mean, these
Speaker 4: are these are actual infrastructure issues because it wasn't covered.
Speaker 4: It simply was not covered by the press unfortunately. And
Speaker 4: speaking of I do want to get in another viewer
Speaker 4: question because someone has a question talking about that, uh
Speaker 4: the media. So let's roll that and then we can
Speaker 4: talk about it on the other side. Think we can
Speaker 4: get it in before a break.
Speaker 14: He need a lampod It's Leah here. First of all,
Speaker 14: thank you so much for the platform. I love listening
Speaker 14: to y'all every single week. My question is actually about
Speaker 14: post election, but before you come from me, Angelae, I
Speaker 14: voted already and I've been telling everybody I know I
Speaker 14: love to vote, but I feel like a lot of
Speaker 14: people in my community and a lot of friends, feel
Speaker 14: like once the president is in office, we do.
Speaker 3: Not hear from them again.
Speaker 14: Tiffany also talk about how legacy media is declining. The
Speaker 14: views are not what they used to be in the
Speaker 14: journalism isn't just for what it feels like for us
Speaker 14: right now can be trustworthy. I also own and operate
Speaker 14: to publishing companies, So I guess my question to you
Speaker 14: is what can us as people who are building media
Speaker 14: companies be doing to drive this link and how can
Speaker 14: we keep the momentum going because so many people are
Speaker 14: more civically engaged than they ever have been, and I
Speaker 14: don't want that to fall off once the president goes
Speaker 14: into off it. So let me know, Carris, to hear
Speaker 14: your thoughts. It's giving maybe like a newsletter from our president,
Speaker 14: like I would subscribe to that because what are this
Speaker 14: on a task?
Speaker 3: What are we doing on a weekly, monthly and quarterly basis.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, love y'all.
Speaker 4: I love that question and I love her. I voted sticker,
Speaker 4: and we will have an answer for her on the
Speaker 4: other side of his break, so I don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to natively. I think we all we all
Speaker 4: think she had a few questions in there, and we
Speaker 4: all probably I have something to say about it. I'll
Speaker 4: just quickly say about the mediacau she's saying she's building
Speaker 4: a publishing company. I would need to know more about
Speaker 4: it to see if it's actual, you know, journalism or
Speaker 4: you book publishing, Like what does that mean? But I
Speaker 4: would just say for the media every week, I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm complaining and moaning about something in the media,
Speaker 4: but honestly, just the it is beyond a broken landscape
Speaker 4: at this point. It is utterly ridiculous. And I already
Speaker 4: talked about the way the media covered this Madison Square
Speaker 4: Garden rally, but I keep punctuating the point of newsroom diversity.
Speaker 4: You know, there still seems to be an effort in
Speaker 4: this country to center the comfort of white folks, and
Speaker 4: not even just white folks, older conservative white folks, a
Speaker 4: shrinking demographic in this country. When you look at the
Speaker 4: print landscape, when you look at the media narrative, voter
Speaker 4: suppression was so baked into the cake in every story
Speaker 4: pre twenty sixteen. We're just now barely scratching the surface
Speaker 4: on voter suppression. The same way, Angela, that you were saying, Oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't even know about Detroit. Most people didn't know
Speaker 4: about Detroit because it wasn't covered. If something like that
Speaker 4: happened with Harvard College admissions, it would have been breaking news.
Speaker 4: Something like that happened with Target losing that many members information,
Speaker 4: it would have been breaking news. But because it was
Speaker 4: voting in a predominantly black neighborhood, people did not pay
Speaker 4: much attention to it and it simply was not covered.
Speaker 4: So I think the more the media continues to center
Speaker 4: a shrinking demographic, the more they will see their viewership shrink.
Speaker 4: And we have to be wise about where we spend
Speaker 4: our time, our energy, our dollars. We have to be
Speaker 4: wise when it comes to misinformation and disinformation. So be
Speaker 4: careful and share responsibly, but also be wise about what
Speaker 4: you're watching. You know, Angela, we talk about having anxiety
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I think it's an intentional effort of
Speaker 4: the press to keep us anxious about this election because
Speaker 4: they want you to keep tuning in. I find when
Speaker 4: I don't watch the news, when I'm just reading things
Speaker 4: that are politically edifying, that are informative, my anxiety goes
Speaker 4: way down. But I do like her question about how
Speaker 4: to stay engaged. So I'm curious what you might tell
Speaker 4: young people, Angela and Andrew who there is this momentum
Speaker 4: around presidential elections, and then when it's over, you know
Speaker 4: what happens. Where does that excitement go? What can they
Speaker 4: be doing with their time and energy?
Speaker 1: I love this question for Andrew, and I love this
Speaker 1: question for Pastor Bryan since he was over the youth
Speaker 1: and college division.
Speaker 3: What about the youth past times.
Speaker 6: I think that one of the things that we've not
Speaker 6: dealt with in this episode is don't forget the bottom
Speaker 6: of the teen when all of our focus that just
Speaker 6: be on top, there's a whole lot that is at stake.
Speaker 6: Johnson will only be in place if we don't go
Speaker 6: out and vote. We've got the capacity to flip four
Speaker 6: or five seats in the House, and those are going
Speaker 6: to be critical for the certification of the election, as
Speaker 6: well as most of our public schools no longer have
Speaker 6: civic class There are things people think that the president
Speaker 6: has authority over that doesn't, and we find out all
Speaker 6: of us on social media people are asking what the
Speaker 6: vice president did or did not do because they don't
Speaker 6: understand what are the boundaries of the power of the
Speaker 6: vice president. Richard Nieber, theologian said, politicians can only do
Speaker 6: what the people allow them to do, and so I
Speaker 6: think that is part of our responsibility is to hold
Speaker 6: them accountable and to really underscore what is our ask.
Speaker 6: Power concedes nothing without a demand. If you don't ask
Speaker 6: for anything, you won't receive anything.
Speaker 3: Andrew, what about you? You started the Young Elected Officials Network.
Speaker 1: You were elected right out of FAMUS as a commissioner
Speaker 1: in Tallahassee.
Speaker 3: Like, what are the ways to stay engaged? You ran
Speaker 3: from office to stay in there.
Speaker 5: Well, one thing following you, Paster Brian, I appreciate you
Speaker 5: mentioning voting the whole ballot. I want to one I
Speaker 5: want to double down. Please please please vote your entire ballot.
Speaker 5: But I also want to say for voters, one of
Speaker 5: the things that's been turning some of the younger voters
Speaker 5: out in low information voters off is that they don't
Speaker 5: know how to vote and all the other races on
Speaker 5: the constitutional questions and some of the ordinances that may
Speaker 5: be on the ballot. And you should also be aware
Speaker 5: that your ballot does not get thrown out if you
Speaker 5: don't vote in every spot where there's an opportunity for
Speaker 5: you to cast a choice one way or another, so
Speaker 5: your ballot doesn't get thrown out if you leave some
Speaker 5: races blank. However, I encourage you before you vote, get
Speaker 5: informed so that you vote the right way to the
Speaker 5: question my co host and pastor. I think one thing
Speaker 5: that happens is when the president gets elected, they go
Speaker 5: to work, and oftentimes not enough energy and time is
Speaker 5: spent on keeping people bought along with you so that
Speaker 5: they can help you deliver on the agenda that you're
Speaker 5: trying to provide every one of us the moment you
Speaker 5: should do it now, but the moment she's elected. Should
Speaker 5: subscribe to the White House's newsletter. They should subscribe. They
Speaker 5: produce it, They produced talking points, they produce the calendar
Speaker 5: every day of what's happening with senior administration officials. So
Speaker 5: it isn't like that doesn't exist. It does exist. We
Speaker 5: have to be good citizens go get it by simply
Speaker 5: putting our name on the list and letting that information
Speaker 5: come to us. You know what, guys, I don't think
Speaker 5: there is a perfect response to this, because you recall
Speaker 5: Obama created after his election, initially used OFA as his
Speaker 5: organizing tool to keep people engaged through the election. They
Speaker 5: had more money dedicated towards that thing than a little
Speaker 5: bit to power the people to be behind the president.
Speaker 5: And even that didn't meet the expectations of many Americans
Speaker 5: who said I felt abandoned after the election. Well, guess what.
Speaker 5: This democracy requires that we do something to be part
Speaker 5: of it. It isn't that the apparatus didn't exist. It existed.
Speaker 5: How many of us plugged into it stayed ignited around it?
Speaker 5: And the truth is is all of us lose momentum
Speaker 5: after election. It sucks a lot out of us. But
Speaker 5: I gotta say, if there was a time for us
Speaker 5: to engage beyond just the election cycle, that time is now.
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris will not be able to deliver on her
Speaker 5: agenda and a divided government unless we got people in
Speaker 5: the streets, people in neighborhoods and communities that are walking canvassing,
Speaker 5: keeping their neighbors organized and aware of what's happening so
Speaker 5: that we can then demand the promises that were made
Speaker 5: demand on them. But the absence of that, y'all, we've
Speaker 5: got little chance of seeing the kinds of results that
Speaker 5: I think we've loaded onto her and onto leadership without
Speaker 5: us having her back. And it's not just in social media,
Speaker 5: but in actual canvassing, door to door information sharing operations
Speaker 5: that many of us have engaged in so far in
Speaker 5: this election. We got to keep that going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Andrew, to your point that you said after the election,
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris has got to go straight to work. And
Speaker 6: that is the disconnect between Donald Trump, who lives from rally.
Speaker 6: He doesn't want to do the work. He wants to
Speaker 6: be at the ass party and so he has spent
Speaker 6: four years doing rallies. And so now a week, five
Speaker 6: days before the election, we still don't have a plan.
Speaker 6: Concept though, the concept of a plan, because it's not
Speaker 6: really about going to work. It's come on, meet me
Speaker 6: at you're trying to.
Speaker 1: Stay out of jail and speaking of power, conceding nothing
Speaker 1: with our demand pastor what you talk about all the time.
Speaker 1: We have another question that I think is important because
Speaker 1: on this show we engage in nuance.
Speaker 13: Hi native Lampard. My name is Carrington and I'm from Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 13: So there's been a lot of debates about Palestinian protesters
Speaker 13: coming to Democratic campaign rallies, specifically VP Harris's campaign rallies
Speaker 13: and destructing. I am a campaign staffer and I've seen
Speaker 13: this head on and I wanted to know what are
Speaker 13: y'all's thoughts because I'm not too sure if this is
Speaker 13: the most effective strategy to tackle this issue. But I'm
Speaker 13: also an advocate for human rights and I do stand
Speaker 13: in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Another question is what
Speaker 13: can I do as a person who's passionate about politics
Speaker 13: but also passionate about human.
Speaker 3: Rights and social justice.
Speaker 13: I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and
Speaker 13: also if you know any jobs that I should apply
Speaker 13: for on the hill post election day.
Speaker 5: Please let me know.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: As they say closed miles don't care.
Speaker 1: Carrington's future is bright because she ain't afraid to.
Speaker 3: To demand power. Concenes nothing without a demand.
Speaker 1: I love that she, at a young age, clearly can
Speaker 1: hold space for Palestinians and still know that ain't but
Speaker 1: one option on this ticket right that I think is
Speaker 1: remarkable for someone at her age. And I do think
Speaker 1: it's a good question is this strategy effective? And if
Speaker 1: like we have been, we've been in solidarity not just
Speaker 1: in speech but also in our in our actions co
Speaker 1: hosts and pastor with the Palestinian people, I wonder what
Speaker 1: is the path forward because we know that what is
Speaker 1: happening over there cannot continue. And I cannot imagine if
Speaker 1: I had a relative there I say this all the time,
Speaker 1: I would be a fool.
Speaker 3: I don't know what ledge y'all would have to talk
Speaker 3: me off of.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, when you look at the fact that both
Speaker 6: sides have been doing better tap dancing than Sammy Davis Junior,
Speaker 6: is they have to really bowl right down the center
Speaker 6: aisle at the DNC convention. They had to really make
Speaker 6: their voices heard. Imagine if there was no disruption, how
Speaker 6: much more would have gone forward. I think a data
Speaker 6: just came out from the New York Times that eighty
Speaker 6: two percent of the destruction and the bombs that have
Speaker 6: gone off and the chaos American taxpayers have paid for.
Speaker 6: And so if we haven't been sounding the alarm, the
Speaker 6: carnage would be that much deeper and greater. One of
Speaker 6: the handicaps we had tiffany with President Obama's presidency as
Speaker 6: black people were in a crosshair on how do you
Speaker 6: protest pharaoh when he looks like you. So when it
Speaker 6: is that we wanted to call him out on certain
Speaker 6: issues we were seeing as sellouts, don't say anything. And
Speaker 6: I think that we've got to learn from it that
Speaker 6: we put policy over personality and realize that even while
Speaker 6: it is that I like you, I love you enough
Speaker 6: to challenge you, and I think.
Speaker 5: That that's our response to I love that. And I
Speaker 5: also think these protesters are going where they feel that
Speaker 5: their voices still may be heard, where they still may
Speaker 5: make a breakthrough. For many of us were saying, we
Speaker 5: are allied with you because we believe in human rights.
Speaker 5: But for them, it's like, forget human rights. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about my cousin and my aunt, my mother's sister, and
Speaker 5: my uncle, and it is so so much more deeply
Speaker 5: personal that I don't feel like any of us have
Speaker 5: the prerogative to direct how they are to vote and
Speaker 5: how they ought to show up in American politics I
Speaker 5: think their fight ought to be anywhere they can wage it,
Speaker 5: anywhere they can get in range of somebody being on
Speaker 5: the other side with a listening ear. They got to
Speaker 5: make their demands, and whomever we're making them to how
Speaker 5: to desensitize themselves to it being an attack on you,
Speaker 5: and moreover, an attack on what you now represent, which
Speaker 5: is an institution, is as a system. Kamala Harris, if elected,
Speaker 5: will be at the helm of the United States government,
Speaker 5: and that means everything that flows from that table. Everything
Speaker 5: She will bear some responsibility for she and her administration,
Speaker 5: because the Supreme Court is ruled that the executive branch
Speaker 5: exists of a leader of one, the President of the
Speaker 5: United States. That's the only place where that is true.
Speaker 5: Between the three branches, the Judiciary US, between the nine justices,
Speaker 5: the Congress is split. They split between four to thirty
Speaker 5: five in the House and another hundred in the Senate.
Speaker 5: The executive is one according to the law interpreted by
Speaker 5: this court, and so you will have to answer for it.
Speaker 5: And she becomes again the helm, the representative voice of
Speaker 5: an institution and of course the most powerful nation in
Speaker 5: the world.
Speaker 6: To Tiffany, to go back to political violence, Uh. And
Speaker 6: I want to go back two segments on what we
Speaker 6: raised about Madison Square Garden. We cannot give a pass
Speaker 6: to Ruty Julie who got to the mic uh and
Speaker 6: vilified two year olds. Uh. They said two year olds
Speaker 6: can't come in the country because two year olds are
Speaker 6: trained assassin when they just learning to tie the issues.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: And so I think in the in the backlash of
Speaker 6: that kind of vitrol, that you've got to be disruptive.
Speaker 6: But my only issue that I want to stay with them,
Speaker 6: my dear sister from Texas, is that I think is
Speaker 6: the imbalance if you're only doing those disruptions at the
Speaker 6: Democratic Party but not doing any of that at the
Speaker 6: Republican rallies. I think they're just got to be fair.
Speaker 6: It's got to be balanced because their language is very threatening.
Speaker 3: That's to Andrew's point, though they know where they can
Speaker 3: go if they.
Speaker 10: Go to.
Speaker 3: Earlier their laws are literally at.
Speaker 1: State going to those rallies, the violence then people saying
Speaker 1: that Islam is not a relationship.
Speaker 4: That said, yeah, well, right go ahead.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to respond really quickly because she was
Speaker 4: asking if it was effective, and I just want to say, Andrew,
Speaker 4: I really appreciate your point about saying like that's their cousin,
Speaker 4: that's somebody they know. And I gotta say, if a
Speaker 4: government was funding the killing of my people who look
Speaker 4: like me, who I'm related to, who I can touch to,
Speaker 4: I email, who I taxis are real life people looking
Speaker 4: at soon crossing over fifty thousand people, mostly women and children,
Speaker 4: and they're being silenced here in America. And if you
Speaker 4: look at Western media, it's a very specific narrative that
Speaker 4: is not always accurately portraying what is happening over there.
Speaker 4: Brown University right here in America, just suspended it's chapter
Speaker 4: of Students for Justice for Palestine. The students are saying
Speaker 4: it is a politically motivated act on behalf of the university.
Speaker 4: We've seen across college campuses everywhere. So when you're being silenced,
Speaker 4: you deserve to be heard. So if that is where
Speaker 4: they can be heard, I think Vice President Harris handled
Speaker 4: it very well this week when she was disrupted and
Speaker 4: she said, hey, hey guys, I hear you and address them.
Speaker 4: I like her handling it that way. It's not a
Speaker 4: good idea to eject people or reject what they're feeling,
Speaker 4: or deny their experience, and she has this is a
Speaker 4: real issue, and we just got to be honest about this.
Speaker 4: She has a real issue with the Arab community around Gaza,
Speaker 4: and it seems like a small solution to call for
Speaker 4: an immediate, permanent ceasefire. And so I think as much
Speaker 4: as they can be heard, we support that for sure.
Speaker 4: And I also just want to point out that this
Speaker 4: week Donald Trump insulted Michelle Obama for the first time.
Speaker 4: It's like he's known better before, but now he's come
Speaker 4: out and called her nasty, really because she got the
Speaker 4: better of him and he's a child, but he insulted
Speaker 4: her this week. So I think this level of vitriol
Speaker 4: that's coming if they the saying about if we don't
Speaker 4: say anything for Palestinians when they come for us, we
Speaker 4: have to speak up. They have to become we. We
Speaker 4: have to become us when you harm somebody, we stand
Speaker 4: on the side of goodness and righteousness.
Speaker 5: So is clear that there's always another yeah, because because
Speaker 5: their grievance, that is their politics. Now, grievance is their politics.
Speaker 5: We're not hearing plans. Nobody's talking about going and voting
Speaker 5: for him because of his position on X Y and
Speaker 5: Z and and such and such. It's it's the fact
Speaker 5: that their politics is now the politics of complaint, and
Speaker 5: that there's always another or another that's responsible for whatever
Speaker 5: injury that you happen to be feeling. And for a
Speaker 5: party that used to talk about bootstraps and and and
Speaker 5: strength and so, I mean, I've never seen a weaker
Speaker 5: version of themselves that I have in these last several
Speaker 5: years of politics. It is very, very, very weak, and
Speaker 5: I think unrepresentative of what they tout about who they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we are. At the end of our show,
Speaker 3: we always have cause. Oh no, he gonna go first.
Speaker 1: So we have calls to action at the end of
Speaker 1: every episode, Pastor Jamal Harrison Bryan, So what do you
Speaker 1: have for us?
Speaker 3: What's our call to action this week?
Speaker 6: Our call to action is every relative you have, I
Speaker 6: need you to blow up the phone. I want you
Speaker 6: to send all of them to rides to vote ridesdovote
Speaker 6: dot com. We've got free uber rides for everybody to
Speaker 6: get to your polling station. I don't want you to
Speaker 6: have any excuse. You don't have to hitchhike, you ain't
Speaker 6: got to catch two buses. You can get an uber
Speaker 6: to the polls. I need you to go tell it
Speaker 6: on the mountain or over the hills and everywhere. And
Speaker 6: as we said, don't just vote at the top of
Speaker 6: the ticket, vote all the way down and read the
Speaker 6: pieces of legislation that are on the ballot for your
Speaker 6: state and for your region. Many of them about museums
Speaker 6: and about schools and about funding different areas. So if
Speaker 6: you really want to be involved, educate yourself. Angela and
Speaker 6: I are Alumness of the NAACP. Mega Evers gave us
Speaker 6: the blueprint and said, voter education, voter registration, get out
Speaker 6: the vote. I don't want you to just go out
Speaker 6: and vote. I want you to know what you're voting
Speaker 6: for and what it's about. The people are clear that
Speaker 6: our people are dying from a lack of knowledge, So
Speaker 6: find out before you go to the polls.
Speaker 3: Love it very good.
Speaker 1: I have two One, you know, since we got the
Speaker 1: Passion House, I want to shout out everybody who goes
Speaker 1: to Bible study on Wednesdays.
Speaker 3: That was that's when our church used to do Bible study.
Speaker 1: And since we talked about Two Corinthians earlier, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about two Timothy one and seven, where it
Speaker 1: says that God hasn't given us a spirit of fear,
Speaker 1: but of power.
Speaker 3: Of love, and of a sound mind.
Speaker 1: So if you go to a rally and you see
Speaker 1: a whole lot of fear, talk, yes, okay, So now
Speaker 1: I just want to go over here to shout out
Speaker 1: Black voters matter. We're gonna be with them a few
Speaker 1: more times before election Day. We have three stay with
Speaker 1: Me three live shows coming up. We will be in
Speaker 1: Tallahassee this Friday for Andrew's homecoming at Florida A and
Speaker 1: M University.
Speaker 3: Thought I thought she was like, no, you list a
Speaker 3: finger your froze.
Speaker 4: I can't see that's a schizophrenic cat.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Lord, yeah, y'all make sure you turn into that.
Speaker 1: We won't say the name of that episode because the
Speaker 1: pastor is here. But also we are going to be
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia on Monday and we will be at Howard
Speaker 1: University on Tuesday with our good brother Lenar. We are
Speaker 1: going to do a joint breakfast club Native lampod live
Speaker 1: Election Day, hopefully history making election day where the voter
Speaker 1: turnout is so great they can't even stop you with
Speaker 1: a provisional ballot not counted. So yes, go out and
Speaker 1: vote say the website for us one more.
Speaker 6: Time, rides to vote dot com as that you'll please
Speaker 6: go spread it everywhere, and I'll call to action. I
Speaker 6: want to, and I want to. I got to. I
Speaker 6: gotta do it. I got to invite Tiffany and those
Speaker 6: of you who don't go to church. I cannot. I
Speaker 6: cannot go out without inviting Tiffany come to church. And
Speaker 6: those of you who don't go to church. I want
Speaker 6: you to come. And those of you don't feel comfortable
Speaker 6: come to church. Stream us go to New.
Speaker 4: Clear.
Speaker 3: What is the next episode dropped tomorrow?
Speaker 6: Tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Next episode drops same day as he gonna be on
Speaker 1: two podcasts tomorrow.
Speaker 3: All right for today today because Andrew and Tim, you
Speaker 3: guys tip he said, y'all doing one life from church.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, my call to action is not political. I
Speaker 4: so you all just heard Angela go over our schedule.
Speaker 4: She'd been messing up my travel all the time. Okay,
Speaker 4: so I'm getting off my flights. Where were we Atlanta?
Speaker 3: So pray where is this going? I'm nervous my call
Speaker 3: to action?
Speaker 4: I think I told you what happened is if I
Speaker 4: want the viewers to know. So anyway, Pastor Bryant. I'm
Speaker 4: getting off the plane and I need to rearrange my
Speaker 4: whole travel okay, And so I'm like, I don't have time.
Speaker 4: Let me just google MX Travel and I uh just
Speaker 4: hit call AMEX Travel and I'm on the phone and honey,
Speaker 4: I didn't gave these people to key to my whole life.
Speaker 4: They're like, we need to verify your account number, we
Speaker 4: need to verify your security number. Do y'all know I
Speaker 4: was not talking to MX Travel. Somebody then bought the website,
Speaker 4: like it's a weird website and it's slightly you gotta
Speaker 4: watch it. And I gave these people everything, and the
Speaker 4: thing that made me Spidey gave my spidy senses like five.
Speaker 4: They had me on hold for like five minutes, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, AMEX wouldn't have me on hold that long,
Speaker 4: not with these big ass balances. I carried, somebody better
Speaker 4: get on this call. And ten seconds and I hung
Speaker 4: up and I had to call AMEX and tell them.
Speaker 4: So my call to action is these scammers are getting
Speaker 4: good and better and tighter. They didn't get anything for me,
Speaker 4: and AMEX was able to, you know, just say, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: they shut it down. But if I heard this story,
Speaker 4: I would have thought, Oh, that wouldn't happen to me.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling y'all, it happened to me. They almost
Speaker 4: got me, but they didn't. So just be careful on
Speaker 4: but God, So be careful on what information you give
Speaker 4: and how you're verify that you're talking to the correct person.
Speaker 4: That's my CTA, my testimony, my thankfulness in my CTA.
Speaker 5: My caught action is a repeat but directly specifically targeting
Speaker 5: Florida voters. If you are a Florida voter, a Democrat
Speaker 5: in Florida, and you haven't voted yet, please do so asap.
Speaker 5: Republicans are outpacing Democrats quite significantly in early vote and
Speaker 5: absentee vote. That has not always been the case. In
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, Democrats outpaced Republicans by that matrix. And so
Speaker 5: if you're in the state of Florida, there are serious
Speaker 5: issues questions on the ballot, to include the legalization of marijuana,
Speaker 5: to include the modification of ROE in the state's constitution,
Speaker 5: protecting a woman's right to make her own reproductive health decisions,
Speaker 5: and a number of local issues that are too numerous
Speaker 5: to name, but I know Republicans have done an incredible
Speaker 5: job at beating the spirit out of us, of sitting
Speaker 5: on our backs and constricting our breathing in every single way,
Speaker 5: trying to force us out of the system. But we
Speaker 5: make that job easier when we choose not to participate.
Speaker 5: So you're in Florida, it really is for everywhere. But
Speaker 5: I want to admonish my state, particularly to get out
Speaker 5: and vote because five days before the final day of
Speaker 5: election day, we ain't looking so great. So let's get
Speaker 5: those numbers up. That's it.
Speaker 3: Well, this is episode forty nine.
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