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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Friday, July thirtieth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number five. It is a day nine of training camp.
Speaker 1: Here on the break. We've got Dave Hellman, We've got
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, and we got our buddy Brian broad est Man.
Speaker 1: When I when you first mentioned on on Twitter that
Speaker 1: you might be around and uh and and offered very
Speaker 1: graciously to come and join us, I was really excited
Speaker 1: because I haven't been able to be on air with
Speaker 1: you for in a long time. And you're you're no
Speaker 1: obviously no no stranger to our show. All these guys
Speaker 1: we've done this for many many years, have so good
Speaker 1: to have you man. Thank you. I appreciate that I've
Speaker 1: been just a couple of tenths down from you guys,
Speaker 1: but still admiring the work and all that you guys do.
Speaker 1: A heck of a job, and it's it was a
Speaker 1: different avenue for me to go. But it's nice to
Speaker 1: see you guys continuing to just push on the way
Speaker 1: you do and lead the NFL the way you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you guys that don't know Brian, like
Speaker 1: literally he got out here and by day what was it,
Speaker 1: like day two of practice, you're sending me practice knows, Like,
Speaker 1: here's some things you can watch. I'm like, Brian does
Speaker 1: not change. He always looking out for his teammates. Man,
Speaker 1: always looking out for steammate. I appreciate that. I was
Speaker 1: very sad that this is my last day, you know
Speaker 1: with the station, and you're so used. You get into
Speaker 1: that routine where you you know, you're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is you know, day four, day, five days, you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting that routine. Lest they hear, yeah, last day
Speaker 1: for me here. Yeah. The way he said that was,
Speaker 1: is it my last day with the station? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're breaking news, but uh no, but last day, that
Speaker 1: last day, last day with it, you know, and that
Speaker 1: part of it's gonna be sad for me because again,
Speaker 1: and this is where I'm gonna have to lean on
Speaker 1: you guys, because you do such a great job of
Speaker 1: covering the team. The way you do it's a it's
Speaker 1: a standard that's like no other. But yeah, when you
Speaker 1: when you you get in that rhythm of practice and
Speaker 1: interviews and talking to people and hey, wait, something happened,
Speaker 1: got to get this source over here, and you know
Speaker 1: you're kind of you know, doing all that. That's that's
Speaker 1: the great thing about Camp And just to kind of
Speaker 1: now have to walk away from that with it not
Speaker 1: being over, it's just like it's super sad for me
Speaker 1: because it is it's been such a part of our
Speaker 1: lives now. And uh but Brian's maybe one of like
Speaker 1: four people who says that and actually means it too,
Speaker 1: like most of him and like we all love what
Speaker 1: we do. But by the time you've been here for
Speaker 1: a week two weeks, you're like, yeah, go home sounds
Speaker 1: kind of and Brian's like, absolutely not. What are these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles doing? Well, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I you know, but I know I'm dealing with some veterans.
Speaker 1: Guys have been ahead of the whole time, the fifteen
Speaker 1: years of Camp and Oxnard and stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something that you just get so used to condition
Speaker 1: to and and when they're out there practicing, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the part of I mean even even
Speaker 1: standing in the trench out there, you know where we're
Speaker 1: not on the field, but you still get all that
Speaker 1: that You see the players, you hear the sounds, the coaching,
Speaker 1: I mean, saddle up going around the other end and
Speaker 1: watching Dan Quinn coach them up a little bit one
Speaker 1: on one with Randy Gregory and stuff. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that helps you, you know, kind of have
Speaker 1: a better understanding of how the season could probably play out.
Speaker 1: And you don't realize how much you really need that
Speaker 1: until you have a year like last year when you
Speaker 1: don't have it amen to that and you can really
Speaker 1: feel the difference. Let's jump into the conversation. Over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, the news is really revolved around
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Um he is, he's he left this I
Speaker 1: guess that was on Wednesday. What's the status, what do
Speaker 1: we know about his injury at this point, and when
Speaker 1: can fans expect to maybe see him back. Well, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy was shockingly willing to talk about when he might
Speaker 1: come back. Yesterday, his shoulder sore. He's out of an
Speaker 1: abundance of caution, he's not pushing it. He got an
Speaker 1: MRI in the area Wednesday afternoon. Doesn't look like there's
Speaker 1: any serious problems there. It's a muscle strain. But then,
Speaker 1: but you know, and like rightfully, so people are like, well,
Speaker 1: that could mean a lot of things. He could be
Speaker 1: out for a few weeks. He could you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we've seen the last of him for training camp. And
Speaker 1: then Carthy gets up there yesterday and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll you know, he probably won't throw for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. And we were even like, what's a couple
Speaker 1: of days I mean? And he was like, well, where
Speaker 1: I come from, a couple of means like two days
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I was like, okay, Mike, Like
Speaker 1: you're putting your name on it, that's fine. Like I
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised that he did that, just because
Speaker 1: coaches tend to want to not nail themselves down with
Speaker 1: a specific time. For him, Jason Gear, Yeah, absolutely, ten
Speaker 1: years of that. Yeah, right, you know, it was funny
Speaker 1: I was talking to The question was posed about was
Speaker 1: this something that had to do with maybe the injury
Speaker 1: of the ankle and him having to change his mechanics.
Speaker 1: And I went into it with somebody about it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: listen that he was like, no, man, he goes. We
Speaker 1: threw all spring, we threw all summer. It was just
Speaker 1: a ton of balls. I mean, he you know, he wanted,
Speaker 1: he was chomping at the bit to get out there.
Speaker 1: He had you know that my guy was saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: McCarthy was out there, Nuss Smier was out there, Kellen
Speaker 1: was out there, his own personal guy. This sounds like
Speaker 1: to me a guy that just and we all know
Speaker 1: Dak Dak is not gonna want to sit back and
Speaker 1: just um going to rehab and he'll be okay, No,
Speaker 1: he is going to push it to the absolute hilt
Speaker 1: and when he could go out there and throw balls,
Speaker 1: whether it's in the Dak yard that he's got or
Speaker 1: the or the or on the field, he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna do that. And I think what happened is that
Speaker 1: he just really he to ramp up. He just he
Speaker 1: went probably a little too far for himself. And now
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of having to work their way back
Speaker 1: through that good day. Oh. I mean yeah, which to
Speaker 1: that point, a lot of people have suggested that it's mechanical,
Speaker 1: but all through the spring he was basically I mean,
Speaker 1: he didn't do team, but he was throwing a boatload
Speaker 1: of football. It was. Yeah, Like he gets out at
Speaker 1: the house with with the receivers and backs like every day,
Speaker 1: God knows how many balls they're throwing. Like, I just
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing like if there was a
Speaker 1: mechanical issue, it would have cropped up before he got
Speaker 1: the training. Yeah. I kind of feel like though that
Speaker 1: if if it was something serious, they probably wouldn't allow
Speaker 1: him to do the drills he's doing, because what if
Speaker 1: he just hauls off and just forgets and throws and
Speaker 1: start and throws something and then hurts it even worse.
Speaker 1: So the fact that he's out there doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of those the movement drills and things like that,
Speaker 1: I think that they have confidence that things will be okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The natural question that comes after that, after you get
Speaker 1: past is he gonna be okay? Is well, what are
Speaker 1: the backup look like? Nick? What have you seen from
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert and Ben Denucci here over these last couple
Speaker 1: of days that either make you feel good or make
Speaker 1: you feel not so good? Well, I'm checking that shoulder
Speaker 1: for Dak is what serb over here? Right? Um, you know,
Speaker 1: let's be fair to to We've seen quarterbacks out here
Speaker 1: that haven't had great practices romo. Um, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we know what happened with him, Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott another. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing about Garrett Gilbert that everybody got excited about
Speaker 1: a little bit was that, you know, he was functional
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh. He'd only been here a few weeks. He
Speaker 1: was functional. He picked it up, he ran the ball well,
Speaker 1: you know, he got him into Ben he was thrown
Speaker 1: into the end zone to win the game against an
Speaker 1: undefeated team. It didn't happen. So in a year and
Speaker 1: a half, is he gonna be better? Um? And he
Speaker 1: probably will. And let's see how what happens in games.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a great job. I think it's a
Speaker 1: silver lining. I mean, you know, Dak is gonna be
Speaker 1: your guy. You don't know about the backup. And they're
Speaker 1: gonna get more. They're gonna get real reps because they're
Speaker 1: gonna get some first team reps and and see what
Speaker 1: it's like to run the ball with you know, if
Speaker 1: Zeke runs with them or whatever. So I to answer
Speaker 1: your question, they haven't looked great. But I think that
Speaker 1: let's see what happens when the lights come on and
Speaker 1: they go out. Cooper and Rush never looked great. He
Speaker 1: goes to Hawaii. He went out and he, you know,
Speaker 1: had a couple of good drives, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: he's the backup. So it's not gonna take much to say.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I thought. I thought,
Speaker 1: to me, what was interesting about that whole thing is,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was a perfect situation for
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and the staff. If you think about Dak. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we are in the middle of a practice and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like QB one goes down. You're
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, all of a sudden, it's like,
Speaker 1: whoa okay now. And I initially thought that maybe McCarthy was,
Speaker 1: you know, he's talked about well, I've got to I've
Speaker 1: got to manage these reps, these guys. I gotta make
Speaker 1: sure the backups get some reps. I thought he was
Speaker 1: playing a game where he was gonna give these guys
Speaker 1: some work. But then it then Dak is running towards
Speaker 1: the tent is David Hellman's reporting, and I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: this is not good. It's not just that's what's happening
Speaker 1: the first time I saw it. So then now I'm
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, Okay, something's up. But you're you're kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, man, what a good situation for Gilbert
Speaker 1: and these guys to throw him in with the ones
Speaker 1: and see, you know, I'm sure the heart rate was
Speaker 1: going and all that, so you really can't judge him
Speaker 1: on that. But then the second day, when you knew
Speaker 1: that Dak was out, now you can evaluate and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: are they are they getting anything? Are they are they
Speaker 1: making throws? Are they making these checks? See, that's where
Speaker 1: the real evaluation. Yeah, you can get an evaluation about
Speaker 1: he got thrown into a terrible situation and how do
Speaker 1: you respond. And then the next day it's like, well,
Speaker 1: he had chance, he knew this one. And if they
Speaker 1: if they fail in the chance where they knew, that's
Speaker 1: where I think you have a little concern. Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: has been getting thrown into tough situations since he was
Speaker 1: like eighteen years old. When you think about it, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Yeah, was the Bank of America yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he threw three touches down. Well,
Speaker 1: yeah he was Yeah, he threw three touchdowns. You thought
Speaker 1: he was bad. I mean I say he was great.
Speaker 1: I did not see the ball going down the field.
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't I didn't see, you know,
Speaker 1: immediately knew what he was talking about, which is scary.
Speaker 1: Which is scary. But America is a sponsor, and they
Speaker 1: are great at what they do. But in a football reference,
Speaker 1: it's not the best, right, let's just put that boa.
Speaker 1: But I that was the moment where we just thought
Speaker 1: we were just talking without about all the microphones everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I kind of felt like though, to me,
Speaker 1: I was, let's let's take some shots down the field. Let's,
Speaker 1: you know, do some of that. I was thinking they
Speaker 1: were not doing that. That's what I'm saying. It was.
Speaker 1: But there was some problems with the offensive line. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't And it wasn't like you know, with Steel
Speaker 1: and Night, the guys you usually want to blame in
Speaker 1: sicky those guys. It wasn't those guys. You know, Collins
Speaker 1: had his issues. I just had his issues. I mean,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams had his issue. I mean defensive line played
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball yesterday, and some
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks really didn't have much of a choice
Speaker 1: and give the guys in the secondary, I think, I
Speaker 1: think that's funny. Guys. The non padded practices, the offense
Speaker 1: was there was two minute drill, red zone whatever, boom
Speaker 1: boom boom down the field, no problem. We get into
Speaker 1: pads and I think I think the defense has won
Speaker 1: the last three days and pads and that to me
Speaker 1: has been really probably very encouraging. Yeah, it's really encouraging
Speaker 1: for them as well because they need that confidence. I
Speaker 1: think trying to build confidence for his defense makes a difference.
Speaker 1: Talking about the two padded practices, I want to give
Speaker 1: everybody an opportunity. We're gonna go down the row here
Speaker 1: and I want each of you to give me at
Speaker 1: least one observation from what you've seen in the first
Speaker 1: two days of padded practice. The start with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's so easy to evaluate the
Speaker 1: passing game and the skill players, and there's no way
Speaker 1: of knowing how it's going to translate. But I've intercepted
Speaker 1: eight passes in the last day. Eight that's a lot
Speaker 1: that's a lot by any standard, but especially this team.
Speaker 1: Nobody on this team gets picks or didn't, and now
Speaker 1: they are like, I mean, you know, Maurice Kennedy, Demante CAZy, Uh,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's had one or two Um Parsons, even Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1: So just it's one thing to be in position and
Speaker 1: break on the ball, but to actually make the play
Speaker 1: has been missing from this defense for so long. Like
Speaker 1: just before you worked here, I'm oh, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to I'm not trying to pick on Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods like he was from where he was drafted. That's
Speaker 1: a success story, like he was a good player for
Speaker 1: being a sixth round pick, But like I just think
Speaker 1: of him being in position, getting his hands on the
Speaker 1: ball and then it's clattering around and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: it's on the ground and he's doing push ups. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just clapping make the catch. And they have been.
Speaker 1: They've been making the catch out here. Nick Um, I'll
Speaker 1: take the easy one. I mean, Brian's got I know
Speaker 1: Brian can go like fifth level, So I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: Brian get a tougher one. I'm gonna like the easy one.
Speaker 1: Seedee Lamb is the best player on the field by far.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. And he is and he is
Speaker 1: as smooth as anybody can be in their second year,
Speaker 1: the first the second year jump he is. You can't
Speaker 1: cover him on the inside outside, I mean he I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him really going deep having done that. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's something about the backups and all that, but but
Speaker 1: I think every ball is his. He's coming down with it,
Speaker 1: maybe inbounds, maybe albounds. He's making outstanding plays. I just
Speaker 1: think that he is. He is the best receiver on
Speaker 1: the team right now. I think he's having the best
Speaker 1: camp for any player out here. Yeah, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I would. I like what you're saying, though. I
Speaker 1: think the best player I've seen has been Tyrant Smith myself.
Speaker 1: Just watching how you know he's man. People want to
Speaker 1: hear that too, Yeah, exactly. And hopefully the health and
Speaker 1: all that takes care of itself. I said it earlier.
Speaker 1: I'm looking to see who is going to be the
Speaker 1: backup defensive ends on this team. I was really worried
Speaker 1: coming in about Dorance Armstrong. You know, bashing was a
Speaker 1: guy in OTAs. But then you say OTAs, I mean
Speaker 1: are we really getting? But Bashing was showing some quickness,
Speaker 1: some explosiveness. I was looking for the rotation of the
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I've seen some stuff from O DIGGI zuah
Speaker 1: that is really kind of like, okay, you know this
Speaker 1: is good. I like what I've seen Bohannah. The young
Speaker 1: guys they're playing, I said this, they're playing on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the line of scrimmage. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what last year if you look at what happened with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the terrible run defense. You know, running
Speaker 1: back contact was a yard and a half beyond the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. What okay, you know that's got to stop.
Speaker 1: And there's been some times. I know, the one run
Speaker 1: they had coming off the goal line yesterday was Zeke
Speaker 1: in a nice run. But for the most part, the quick,
Speaker 1: elusive Zeke is trying to find spots, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: and again it's against the first offensive line. So as
Speaker 1: long as that front seven, you know, vander esh and
Speaker 1: on our show, I get on smith a on you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, you gotta get him off the field
Speaker 1: and all that. The linebackers, I think the front seven,
Speaker 1: I think has played very very well and you know,
Speaker 1: and that that to me has been encouraging. I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what happens with Hooker at safety though. Does
Speaker 1: that give him the true free because Wilson will come
Speaker 1: down and knock you sideways. He did it on the
Speaker 1: on the field yesterday, so if they could kind of
Speaker 1: figure that out. But I've been kind of impressed with
Speaker 1: that front seven on defense. I mean, that was pretty fun.
Speaker 1: Like yesterday's practice wasn't that fun. It got you know,
Speaker 1: Lamb had a nice catch toward the end, but they
Speaker 1: were like a lot of runs, a lot of dinkin
Speaker 1: and duncan because they were coming off the goal line
Speaker 1: and doing all this four minute stuff. But first run
Speaker 1: of the day, Zeke goes off right tackle and like nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody touched him until he was twenty yards down field.
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the day he looked like
Speaker 1: a gazelle trying to get away from a pack of lions.
Speaker 1: Like he's just just surrounded by guys. Every time he
Speaker 1: touches the ball. Well, they talk about wanting to run
Speaker 1: the ball. You better figure out what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with shortlts and Jarwin and those guys. We've seen down
Speaker 1: the field plays from those guys. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Keian O'Neill, who's had was in the non padded practices,
Speaker 1: was awful in coverage. Actually in the one on one
Speaker 1: stuff did a much better job of knocking the ball
Speaker 1: loose and stuff. So that was encouraging. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talks about surface and we've sumhaut surface blocking.
Speaker 1: It's man on man at that point of attack, and
Speaker 1: they they they've been losing some surface blocks in this.
Speaker 1: In some of these drills, you look at Keian O'Neill
Speaker 1: and he walks by or see him just you know,
Speaker 1: up close, and you're like, what, how was he ever
Speaker 1: a safety? Yeah, like in the eighties, like you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, when you get told you're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, be a linebacker, you probably build your body
Speaker 1: up a little bit different, but not it can't be
Speaker 1: that much that drastic of It's like he was ever
Speaker 1: a safety, Like that's wow, I mean box safety, of course,
Speaker 1: But I mean Barry Church was like the box safety.
Speaker 1: He didn't look like that. No, not at all. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: In true Brian brought us fat, and he came with
Speaker 1: a game. So we're gonna We're gonna let Brian take
Speaker 1: over the show and give us a little some questions
Speaker 1: he worked up in a little game when we come
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Speaker 1: to the That was a quick one. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the second segment of the Break. People on here and
Speaker 1: I'm working. We're alive time, Oxnard, California. It is day
Speaker 1: nine of Training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by American
Speaker 1: Airlines and Brian. Brian brought a game. We were about
Speaker 1: to go on their I went through all this hassle
Speaker 1: of putting together a rundown and send it to everybody,
Speaker 1: and we get here and Brian webs out of a
Speaker 1: game and it's way better than my rundown. So I
Speaker 1: was like, Brian, take over, let's play your game. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Derek. I appreciate that. You know. I always
Speaker 1: love trying to put you guys. I want to take
Speaker 1: you off the fence. I want to make you have
Speaker 1: some opinions essence of who you are. I mean people,
Speaker 1: people all morning have been like tweeting at me, like yo,
Speaker 1: go get Helm and go get him. You know, boy thinks,
Speaker 1: So we'll see how this is gonna be fun. I'm ready,
Speaker 1: all right, So to the group, I pose these questions
Speaker 1: and here we go. Position group that's made the biggest
Speaker 1: jump in your eyes from the practices you've seen so far.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all right. I mean whatever. I'll regret
Speaker 1: these words later. But defensive tackle Nevill Gallimore looks great,
Speaker 1: Quentin Bohana looks impressive. Ohso Diggi Zula looks like he's
Speaker 1: coming on. It's hard for me to say I've seen it. Well, No,
Speaker 1: that's not even true. Brent Urvan's batted some balls down, sure,
Speaker 1: so yeah, just I don't know. I feel I feel
Speaker 1: good about that right now, which I wasn't sure I would.
Speaker 1: I will say you mentioned it earlier. But cornerbacks like
Speaker 1: I did not come into this training camp feeling that
Speaker 1: great about what they had at cornerback, and I think
Speaker 1: so far, even guys I wasn't necessarily expecting anything from
Speaker 1: Mike Kennedy um have shown up and have played really well.
Speaker 1: I would. I would have loved to see them with
Speaker 1: a Mari out there. That's just one more really great
Speaker 1: receiver that they would have to deal with. But but
Speaker 1: all things being considered, I think this cornerback group has
Speaker 1: far exceeded any expectations I have for them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean know that's gonna contradict what you say, but the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position from the depth of it, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, no, it's top heavy, but you know, with
Speaker 1: a Mari being out, I think when you look at
Speaker 1: some of these receivers on the back end, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out
Speaker 1: with special teams. Uh seventeen Turner Turner, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I was really surprised he even got resigned. He kind
Speaker 1: of got phased out of the team last year and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now he's back. He's playing well. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be tough to keep Noah Brown
Speaker 1: at two billion dollars a year just for special teams
Speaker 1: in the fifth receiver, but you know he's playing. He's
Speaker 1: played pretty well too. And I know Daklack's thrown to him.
Speaker 1: Has Micah Parsons been the best defensive player in camp. No,
Speaker 1: but it's close. It's better Randy m He's been good.
Speaker 1: I think my Mica and he looks great. I've already
Speaker 1: started to eat some crow on that, like, he looks fantastic.
Speaker 1: But I do think he still falls into that category
Speaker 1: of he's in a spot where it's a little bit
Speaker 1: easier for him to make splash players from time to time.
Speaker 1: When you factor in the rushing and some of the
Speaker 1: others fun stuff that they have him doing. I think
Speaker 1: he's been the most impressive because of you think about
Speaker 1: the learning curve as a good that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's not like Randy's been out
Speaker 1: there a ton either in his five or six years.
Speaker 1: So this is you know, this is great for both
Speaker 1: of them. You guys know it a training camp. You
Speaker 1: tend to take for granted the guys who have been here,
Speaker 1: and not to say Randy's just been here, but you
Speaker 1: know Randy, right, It's Parsons is something that's new. It's
Speaker 1: like what we're talking about earlier with Tyren Smith, like
Speaker 1: sometimes you kind of just take it for granted. Well,
Speaker 1: Tyrn's doing what Tyron does and you don't even think
Speaker 1: about how great he's been. But he's just doing what
Speaker 1: he does, so so you don't put him in the
Speaker 1: same category to say a ceede lamb, who's a little
Speaker 1: bit newer, right, um, And so I think it's that
Speaker 1: kind of thing like Parsons just newer. And so for me,
Speaker 1: he stood out more because he's newer. But if you
Speaker 1: really evaluate it, I kind of agree it's Randy. Randy's
Speaker 1: been the guy that's probably been most oppressive defensively. You
Speaker 1: know what sucks about these games, I don't always don't
Speaker 1: get to answer you. You do get to you just
Speaker 1: don't like like that's the thing you're asking these questions,
Speaker 1: but if you want to hear your answers. But because
Speaker 1: I say that, because I do it in a way
Speaker 1: that I do believe he's been the best defensive players.
Speaker 1: So if I ask yeah, I means you're kind of thinking, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you can kind of pick up on what Brian's thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to kid like he's leading you down
Speaker 1: the past, so you can slam I played Perry Mason
Speaker 1: with you here. I know the answer already as you speak. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: does Blake Jarwind need be worrying about his starting job?
Speaker 1: Apparently he does ll yes, Because we've been talking about this.
Speaker 1: I've been a big proponent of fact that I think
Speaker 1: I think Schultz is just as good, if not better,
Speaker 1: just my opinion. I just don't care because this is this,
Speaker 1: This isn't Jason Witten. We're talking about, like neither one
Speaker 1: of them is gonna play ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 1: snaps and never come off the field like they're gonna
Speaker 1: do some twelve personnel. They can rotate these guys. They'll
Speaker 1: probably both play north of sixty percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: or something. Oh maybe not that high, but like they'll
Speaker 1: both have a healthy percentage. I don't care who's on
Speaker 1: the field for the first snap. I think they're both
Speaker 1: going to be very involved. It's not really an answer.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, whatever, Well, I mean it makes sense. It's
Speaker 1: not like where I'm talking about quarterback or say, it's
Speaker 1: like the loser of this battle is not gonna be
Speaker 1: on the bench all year. They're both gonna play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I threw a lot of dirt on Dalton Schultz, by
Speaker 1: the way, to the point where he blocked me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I think we all do not that much. Blocked on
Speaker 1: Twitter by Dalton Schultz. Yeah, I'm the radio. I threw
Speaker 1: a lot of dirt on him, and he had a
Speaker 1: great season last year for him, and I think the
Speaker 1: question when I'm talking to people just how how much
Speaker 1: he could stretch the defense. Yes, he's turned around, he's
Speaker 1: getting eight and ten twelve yards. That's great first down, right,
Speaker 1: but can he extend the defense like Jarwin has? And
Speaker 1: so far we've seen some of that. So if he
Speaker 1: does that, then yeah, I think it is going to
Speaker 1: be a tough competition. Okay, I was told this. If
Speaker 1: I told you, when the lights come on, DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: will be ready to go. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: When you you're saying Tampa, yeah, those lights. If DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence doesn't get a game rep until Tampa, I'm I
Speaker 1: don't care. It's fine with me. He looks he looks
Speaker 1: fine out there. He looks like he looks a lot slimmer.
Speaker 1: He looks slim as hell. He looks like he's in
Speaker 1: good condition. He's back in a scheme that he's familiar with.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, he knows what dan Quinn wants from him.
Speaker 1: I mean, would you prefer him to get a little work,
Speaker 1: of course, But if he's not, if he's not gonna
Speaker 1: do anything until Tampa Bay, I'm fine. I'm fine with
Speaker 1: that too, But my preference would be go out there,
Speaker 1: do three or four pass rushes against Jacksonville and get
Speaker 1: out of there and get ready for the season. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of players on this team that I
Speaker 1: would feel great about them doing nothing until Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: He's one of them. I don't worry about DeMarcus, but
Speaker 1: I will outthrow this question back at you, Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts of how because this is something
Speaker 1: that's kind of a flashpoint for a lot of fans,
Speaker 1: how DeMarcus played last season. See, I thought that to
Speaker 1: me when you start talking about complete defensive ends, don't
Speaker 1: we all focus on the sacks and things like that.
Speaker 1: We focus on the money. But and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about look at pro football focuses numbers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if you watch how you play, how do you
Speaker 1: take on blocks, how do you get rid of blocks,
Speaker 1: how do you make plays you know, tackles behind the line,
Speaker 1: how do you get pressures? You know? How do you
Speaker 1: run down to play from the backside. These are things
Speaker 1: that if you know you get game passed, you can
Speaker 1: watch your own eyes. Do you go back and you
Speaker 1: could watch him and it's like, oh, he didn't get
Speaker 1: the sack, but he forced the guy to make a
Speaker 1: bad throw. You know, I felt like that, you know.
Speaker 1: He I thought he played really, really, really well. And
Speaker 1: but people are gonna blast him because of the money
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. That's just the way it is. Oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't have twelve and a half sacks, you know,
Speaker 1: and all that. I know, it's a complete player that
Speaker 1: you're looking for right here. So be honest with you.
Speaker 1: If he can complete play and Randy Gregory can have
Speaker 1: all the sacks, I'd be totally okay with Yeah. I'd
Speaker 1: be totally okay with that. Yeah, that's the DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus ware and greg Ellis type combination. Right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be. I would like to see Lawrence get
Speaker 1: some work. I'm a little bit worried about the first
Speaker 1: game being outdoors in Tampa with the heat and humidity,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I worry about wearing down in
Speaker 1: that game and not being in game shape. That's my
Speaker 1: only concern about him. Not get quarterback is good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he yes, it is good. Well, the thing that helps
Speaker 1: him is they have they're gonna have two weeks back
Speaker 1: in Dallas and hopefully hopefully. Yeah, they spend a lot
Speaker 1: of that time outdoors yet used to the humidity, getting
Speaker 1: used to the heat, because out here is you're not
Speaker 1: getting no no, this is a perfect place to ever
Speaker 1: practice football. Grass field, it's somewhat grass and then and
Speaker 1: then the outdoors, the conditions and stuff like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh more oppressive Maurice Kennidy or Malik Turner, Andy Kennedynny's
Speaker 1: really good. I mean Turner Turner has been, you know,
Speaker 1: good playing and they're both very similar. They're gonna help
Speaker 1: you one special teams. But if they can show a
Speaker 1: little bit of their own position to show you know
Speaker 1: that's not just a CJ. Goodwin that they're not going
Speaker 1: to really play out there. But if he can play, Kennedy,
Speaker 1: if he can play, so they're both good. But I
Speaker 1: go with Kennedy. He's made. He's he's actually stepping in
Speaker 1: as a starter on the in the slot and he's
Speaker 1: getting a couple of picks. Yep, he's getting his hands
Speaker 1: on the football. Which Malik Turner's gotten some run with
Speaker 1: the starters too, because he was fourth and two into practice.
Speaker 1: The other day they ran sprint ride option with Dak
Speaker 1: and who'd he throw the ball to on fourth and two,
Speaker 1: he looks throw it to Cede Lamb. He threw it
Speaker 1: to Turner on the out He looks for seventeen a
Speaker 1: lot he does like his first like he probably his
Speaker 1: best throw a camp to date was like day one,
Speaker 1: down the far sideline and found Turner on like a
Speaker 1: crossing route. Is Cedric Wilson safe to make this team? See?
Speaker 1: It feels like we kind of well, wow, that okay.
Speaker 1: Even Derek thinks you're dumb for even asking. Yes. See,
Speaker 1: that's where I kind of with you on this. I
Speaker 1: know he's not. He's not allow the money, follow the money.
Speaker 1: I mean I would be Noah Brown though, right, Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: I would be more concerned about him than Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: It depends on who bones Fossils wants, Right, that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be sure. That's gonna be if you're following the money,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown's the guy you should be. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: is it two million dollars tender for Wilson? Like two
Speaker 1: point one I think or maybe one point nine yeah,
Speaker 1: or something like that. But yeah, I I to me
Speaker 1: when when we came out here, I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you carry six? Because scouts from office always likes
Speaker 1: to protect the draft. You see, Simmy makes a catch,
Speaker 1: Simmy makes a catchy, Simmy has that mean. Turner's done
Speaker 1: more things than Simmy heads. So now you're starting to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: they keep five or they keep six, you know, all right,
Speaker 1: but then which And the thing with Cedric is just
Speaker 1: he does so much like he's your fourth receiver. It's
Speaker 1: two for two throwing the ball last year, he sure
Speaker 1: was has a touchdown pass. He's he's one a on
Speaker 1: as a punt returner and might even be depending on
Speaker 1: the situation. They'd probably send him out ahead of CD
Speaker 1: if it was like a situation where they're not looking
Speaker 1: for a return. He's currently one of your starting flyers
Speaker 1: on punt punt punt team, like he's out there, so
Speaker 1: they're expecting a lot of him. And just that versatility
Speaker 1: makes me think that he's probably safe. And look, no
Speaker 1: disrespect to Lak Turner, he looks great. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: do the same, you see, That's what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: first thing I thought of was lance Lenore. Yet I
Speaker 1: thought a Lance Lenore every receiver that's ever. But the
Speaker 1: thing about Turner, he started three games in the NFL
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I mean he's made starts. He's all the
Speaker 1: way back to Jamaica. Rector, he could do that now,
Speaker 1: he could do that. He could he could go all
Speaker 1: the way back on you. Okay, Uh, would you be
Speaker 1: okay with with Basham and Armstrong as your backup defensive ends?
Speaker 1: I'm all right with that as of now. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: so what other choice do I have? I mean Bradley
Speaker 1: and I Yeah, he's been he's been injured. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get We're gonna get to Bradley and I. You know this,
Speaker 1: this coaching staff seems to have and not dealing this
Speaker 1: coaching staff, even the last coaching staff, there's something about
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong that they just kind of like, I think
Speaker 1: and and coaching staff. Yeah, it's one named Jerry can remember.
Speaker 1: Armstrong's good. Yeah. I mean I just I think that
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that that that they like
Speaker 1: a little bit and not Honestly, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: disappointed on the field. I think, yeah, I played okay,
Speaker 1: I think I think watching him play, I'm more comfortable
Speaker 1: with that. I was like, I was always really pushing
Speaker 1: hard for Bradley and I wanted to see because I've
Speaker 1: seen his tape at Utah. I know Dave's watched his
Speaker 1: tape at Utah and stuff. I had a lot of
Speaker 1: hope for him, I really really did. But Armstrong is
Speaker 1: shown up. I mean they've used him in a couple
Speaker 1: whether it's right or left. I mean they've run him
Speaker 1: on some twist games. He's able to get home. He
Speaker 1: was out in coverage one day exactly. I mean, so
Speaker 1: you know these guys, there's some comfort there. I mean
Speaker 1: I've seen him go against Collins and actually have some
Speaker 1: good reps. So yeah, I'm more comfortable with Basham and
Speaker 1: Armstrong than I was because I was searching who is
Speaker 1: going to be the backup defensive ends. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this, but there's an
Speaker 1: unhealthy dynamic between what we do with the draft show
Speaker 1: and when you come time for August, because you know,
Speaker 1: you study the draft. Bradley and I as a hell
Speaker 1: of a player, like he's a Senior Bowl MVP. He
Speaker 1: was a big time player in a major conference. But
Speaker 1: you followed the fifth round for a reason, and it
Speaker 1: reminds me of Jabril Cox. You know, steal of the draft,
Speaker 1: played great at LSU, made this jump from North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: and like, and then people get frustrated because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: you said he's amazing, why isn't he out here doing stuff?
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he's behind the twelfth overall pick, the
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteenth overall pick from a few years ago, the
Speaker 1: seventy million dollar man, and the pro bowler who came
Speaker 1: from Atlanta with Dan Quinn, Like, where where do you
Speaker 1: want him to go? What do you want against grown men?
Speaker 1: It is everybody here is good, right, yeah? And it
Speaker 1: like I almost like you got to reset your expectations
Speaker 1: from the for the draft picks. As soon as they're picked,
Speaker 1: you're like, we feel really good about this, but like
Speaker 1: now you're here and it doesn't matter anymore. And that's
Speaker 1: why I say that, because and and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Bradley and I'll show something, especially you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: have a chance to get into preseason games last year.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get out there and just wreck shop. But
Speaker 1: I think the expectation of people who follow the draft
Speaker 1: versus the reality they just don't match up. Right now, Well,
Speaker 1: we talk about what a good pick it was with Cox.
Speaker 1: You get a guy that can cover. We were worried
Speaker 1: about run defense. That was something coming into camp that
Speaker 1: I was going to keep my eye. How could he play?
Speaker 1: Can he get off blocks? And he? Shit? The problem
Speaker 1: I'm having with him, he's not even lining up on
Speaker 1: special teams. He's they're not they're not They're not putting
Speaker 1: him on the He's a scout team cover guy. He's
Speaker 1: a scout team punt guy. He's not being given a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities, not at all. So but that but
Speaker 1: that doesn't make him a bad pick, not at all.
Speaker 1: Hard to adjust to the end, No, no, but I
Speaker 1: was kind of hopeful that that they would find a
Speaker 1: way to get him on the field. Yeah, that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. Okay, speaking of getting on the field, But
Speaker 1: the guys without sponsors, you know that's my thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have to have a sponsor to make these teams sometimes.
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, Reggie Robinson, Bradley and I who's in the
Speaker 1: biggest trouble of the guys without sponsors? Of the three
Speaker 1: that you just well, why do you why do why
Speaker 1: don't they have sponsors just because the coaching sta Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean Will Will and his guys are all still.
Speaker 1: These are the coaches, are the ones that will step up.
Speaker 1: A scout will even tell you. The scouts say, listen,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if we're here. I think Hill has
Speaker 1: some sponsors. I do. I feel like I've heard his
Speaker 1: name a lot that the people try to tell me
Speaker 1: how great he played, like he was a guy, remember
Speaker 1: that the whole thing. Yeah, I thought he played solid
Speaker 1: last year was coming on. He looked like he was
Speaker 1: with some go on a little but I mean, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be probably on pop. That's so I was about. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, I agree with you just from being
Speaker 1: around I think the interior perception of Tristan is different
Speaker 1: than the exterior perception. But and this sucks for Tristan,
Speaker 1: but maybe he's in a situation where he won't be
Speaker 1: ready anyway, and so it's not even you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you stash him on a list when the season starts.
Speaker 1: I'm not he seems like he's still got some work
Speaker 1: to do before he's ready to play, so that that
Speaker 1: might be well. Robertson's the one guy's plays Robinson shown
Speaker 1: you anything. Yeah, that was the one. I was going
Speaker 1: to say that to me is the way. I think
Speaker 1: that's the answer to your question, because he's been out
Speaker 1: there and I really haven't seen much good there. There
Speaker 1: have been plays where I've seen him. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that's that's clapping after the play. But in a corner
Speaker 1: back group where you got a lot of competition right
Speaker 1: now and a lot of guys who were making splash plays,
Speaker 1: he's not one of them. So I think right now,
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one of those three, I
Speaker 1: would say it would be him because I just haven't
Speaker 1: seen him do anything that a lot of other guys
Speaker 1: this position are doing. I think the same applies to
Speaker 1: an eye, and I agree with you about Reggie. I
Speaker 1: think the same applies to an eye for the same reason, Brian,
Speaker 1: just like I think Dorn's Armstrong and Terrell Basham are
Speaker 1: going to be on this team right and obviously so
Speaker 1: are Randy and Tank and now, so that's for right there.
Speaker 1: How many are you gonna keep? And don't forget about
Speaker 1: Jahncy Golston. They're not cutting a third round pick. I
Speaker 1: don't care what he does out here, They're not gonna
Speaker 1: cut him. You know. Reggie, Robinson, Bradley and I they've
Speaker 1: played as many preseason games as we have, you know,
Speaker 1: so they they your point, want them to kind of
Speaker 1: see that they haven't gotten that opportunity. They're going to
Speaker 1: They're gonna, they're gonna get out there. So it's but
Speaker 1: how many for Robinson, how many special teams players can
Speaker 1: you keep that are kind of special teams? I think
Speaker 1: Goodwin's making it, Kennedy's probably making it too, you know,
Speaker 1: and and then Noel Brown on that side, or Turner.
Speaker 1: It's such a sorry, it's such a relief to know
Speaker 1: we have these games though as like last year, this
Speaker 1: would not this is not a premature conversation last year,
Speaker 1: because this is just all we have to go on.
Speaker 1: Right to go back to Lance Lenore, you know, he
Speaker 1: was he was the stud of camp for like two
Speaker 1: years running and until they put him in back there
Speaker 1: against the Rams to feel punch, so they put him
Speaker 1: in a game. Period. And so our opinions are going
Speaker 1: to drastically change from Canton from Phoenix and hopefully for
Speaker 1: the better, but maybe for them. All that takes is
Speaker 1: one sack by Bradley and I absolutely screaming off the edge,
Speaker 1: just you know, just bury some quarterback and on and
Speaker 1: we'll be in here Monday and somewhere else. He's on
Speaker 1: the team. Rad Sham brought up George Selvey the other
Speaker 1: day because like he made the team because of what
Speaker 1: he did in the Hall of Fame game. I mean
Speaker 1: that was eight years ago, but that stuff matters. Selvey.
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take our final break. When
Speaker 1: we come back. I want to get some opinions from
Speaker 1: you guys, particularly Brian, before you head out of training camp.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through the positions and I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: these guys give you a little bit of a position updates,
Speaker 1: some things that they may have learned about the positions
Speaker 1: in the practices that have happened so far, or maybe
Speaker 1: some things that have kind of heightened there are the
Speaker 1: level of alertness to particular positions. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: Life from Oxnard, California. We're talking Cowboys football. We got
Speaker 1: our guy Brian brought us here with us this morning.
Speaker 1: We are going to here in the last segment, give
Speaker 1: you guys kind of a general overview of what these
Speaker 1: guys have seen, and we're gonna break it down by positions,
Speaker 1: and really where I want you to focus here is
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a position or a group,
Speaker 1: and I want you guys to tell me something you
Speaker 1: think you've learned about that group that you didn't know
Speaker 1: coming in, or something that you've kind of just noticed
Speaker 1: that's starting to pique your interest in a particular player
Speaker 1: or a position group. Let's start first with running backs
Speaker 1: and fullbacks. Brian, you up. Yeah. I think the thing
Speaker 1: is that they're trying to find ways to incorporate more
Speaker 1: of Tony Pollard onto the field. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a good thing, and it's not something that happens all
Speaker 1: the time, but it's just not the normal Okay, go
Speaker 1: in there and spelled Zeke. It's like it's like Zeke
Speaker 1: on the field Pollard, whether it's split slot, I mean, backfield.
Speaker 1: They're trying to find ways. This team's did a really
Speaker 1: good job. I felt like the screen passes that they've run,
Speaker 1: they've been able to kind of shake him loose and
Speaker 1: Zeke loose a couple of different times. This coach has
Speaker 1: a history of playing with a fullback, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't have a John Coon or somebody
Speaker 1: like that here that he's had in the past. But
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if, in fact they do try
Speaker 1: and carry one or find one to bring in. But
Speaker 1: I do like what I've seen with the two running
Speaker 1: backs and how they've been able to corporate both those guys.
Speaker 1: McCarthy actually had a really interesting quote yesterday. He was
Speaker 1: asked about keeping a fullback, and he talked a lot
Speaker 1: about how much more they want to run a two
Speaker 1: back offense this year, and he was talking about it
Speaker 1: in the context of having a fullback. But I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about Pollard the whole time he was talking,
Speaker 1: because I think that's that's one of the most important
Speaker 1: challenges for his coaching staff this year, is to find
Speaker 1: ways to have him be a bigger part of this thing,
Speaker 1: because he needs to be. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Zeke's gonna be the bell cow and he
Speaker 1: should be. I'm looking at Pollard's snap counts from last
Speaker 1: year and other than the game that Zeke didn't play,
Speaker 1: it hovered between like twenty two and thirty three, and
Speaker 1: that's that's gotta be that's gotta be more. And so
Speaker 1: that's I think that's that's like line one for Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore honestly, because like we I mean, Amari and Lamb
Speaker 1: and got like all those guys are gonna be out there,
Speaker 1: but you got to find a way to use that
Speaker 1: more often as you've got nine guys that are going
Speaker 1: to be out there a lot. Five five Lineman, dak
Speaker 1: zeke uh and then I would say CD and Cooper.
Speaker 1: So that's nine. What do they do with those other spots?
Speaker 1: You know what? What what are they gonna do with?
Speaker 1: Is it two tight ends? Is it one tight end
Speaker 1: and gallop? It's is it Gallop and Pollard? Is it
Speaker 1: a fullback? That's the key Schulton in that in that
Speaker 1: mix two. So um, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that really answers your question, but I do think that
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be the key is where do
Speaker 1: they feel like they can they can run the ball
Speaker 1: the most or just move the offense. You know, he
Speaker 1: said he wants thirty thirty plus rushes a game. Well,
Speaker 1: you know that's really on Kellen Moore. In this offense,
Speaker 1: they've struggled out of the gate. The best way to
Speaker 1: get a lead is to score in the first half,
Speaker 1: and you struggle early, then then you're you're, you know, you're,
Speaker 1: you're always playing the scrambling from behind. So I think
Speaker 1: preparation from Wednesday to Saturday needs to be better. That
Speaker 1: starts with Kellen Moore. That starts with the offense. They've
Speaker 1: got to be better to get leads early in the
Speaker 1: game so they can run the ball. You're going to
Speaker 1: your point about who they're gonna put out there. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna vary by the game. They talked a
Speaker 1: lot about there and though that opening press conference. They
Speaker 1: want to play match up football, and so every week
Speaker 1: they want to be able to go in and say
Speaker 1: where can we get our best matchup? So there maybe
Speaker 1: some weeks where twelve personnel is there is their great
Speaker 1: matchup for that week. There are other weeks that they
Speaker 1: can use Tony Pollard a lot. So I think it'll
Speaker 1: vary from week to week and you'll see a different
Speaker 1: guy kind of stepping into an X factor role if
Speaker 1: you want to put it like that. Each week. Oh,
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. I hope it's I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I hope it anges every week and it's not just
Speaker 1: we do what we do. Well, that's the way they're talking.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it actually turns out like that. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the wide receiver. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: wide receiver slash tight end. Give me something that you've
Speaker 1: either notice or something that you're you know that you
Speaker 1: you think you've learned about that position group. Nick I
Speaker 1: mentioned receivers earlier as a as a spot that I
Speaker 1: thought that they've got some depth. They're gonna have some
Speaker 1: good decisions to make. We know in the preseason game,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna, you know, catch our eye a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I mean anxious to see some of those guys at
Speaker 1: the back end they're gonna get to play. M Mitchell
Speaker 1: Osirius Mitchell fourteen eighty, Brandon Smith. I'd like to just
Speaker 1: see see those guys. I think they've got something, as
Speaker 1: Devil point out, and he's not wrong. We see this
Speaker 1: every year. There's always going to be a guy or
Speaker 1: two like that. But but I am anxiously because they
Speaker 1: they went with a theme when they signed these free agents.
Speaker 1: It's like you've played basketball at some point in your life,
Speaker 1: you can definitely duncan alley. You've got big, tall, strong guys,
Speaker 1: and so that's the targets that look before. Let's see
Speaker 1: how they playing games, right, Yeah, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: focus on the tight end aspect. They've got three guys
Speaker 1: I think that are all downfield players and including McKeon
Speaker 1: in there, you know who is going to be the
Speaker 1: blocker of this group if there is a commitment to
Speaker 1: trying to run the football and trying to have that
Speaker 1: surface I'm talking about and trying to be point of attack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly sprinkled. Ye see, that's what I'm saying that that
Speaker 1: that's who is that guy? I think they've got guys
Speaker 1: that are that are catchers. I don't think they have
Speaker 1: any blockers, and so you know they got it thirteen personnel. Yes,
Speaker 1: they put three tight ends out there and still got
Speaker 1: knocked back. You know, you can't have that. And so
Speaker 1: if there's a commitment, they're either they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: work the waiver wire, claim a guy whatever. But man,
Speaker 1: they do not have any blockers currently on this team.
Speaker 1: They play tight end. There's an answer there, just don't
Speaker 1: run thirteen personnel. It sucks, it's bad. It's the worst
Speaker 1: personnel grouping in the in football, So don't do it. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give some love to the Michigan man. How
Speaker 1: about Sean mccun like ever, I mean, and Chelton jar
Speaker 1: would have looked good, but so is he. He made
Speaker 1: He made the catch of the day yesterday, one handed
Speaker 1: diving catch. They use him a lot, you know, the
Speaker 1: the dak waggle roll out and just kind of chuck
Speaker 1: it to the tight end coming across the flat, and
Speaker 1: he's been doing a lot of that. Um. He made
Speaker 1: the team as an undrafted free agent last year. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make it again, which I guess I
Speaker 1: didn't think was a given when I got here. But
Speaker 1: he sure looks like he belongs on the roster. To me,
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel that really, it pisses me off when they
Speaker 1: do that because they just put the tight ends in there.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's like you're just you're You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get in my phone booth. I don't want to
Speaker 1: play a phone. You guys watch UFC, No, not really.
Speaker 1: I don't really watch that much either, but I know this.
Speaker 1: I know this. No, I mean, I've seen it enough
Speaker 1: to know. You got strikers. You got guys to get
Speaker 1: on the mat and wrestle. If that's not your thing,
Speaker 1: if you're not really a good wrestler, then don't get
Speaker 1: on the mat because somebody's gonna beat you. And that's
Speaker 1: what they do. They say, we're gonna bunch everything in
Speaker 1: and go going big. But guess what our three tight
Speaker 1: ends are Shultz, McEwan and Jarvion, and they're not big,
Speaker 1: so they get pushed back. Why don't we spread them
Speaker 1: out and go you. I could blob it up to CD.
Speaker 1: We all seen in the video what CD can do.
Speaker 1: Cooper can do this. We can spread it out, or
Speaker 1: we can run our quarterback up the mental Yeah. To
Speaker 1: your point, though, Nick, if you're gonna put a tight
Speaker 1: end out there that can't block, go in, put Pollard
Speaker 1: out there right, just then open it up that way.
Speaker 1: This team should be like, make the defense go small.
Speaker 1: Stop enough of this. It drives me crazy that NFL
Speaker 1: teams refuse to run ten personnel. Honestly, get four receivers
Speaker 1: out there, make the defense go tiny to handle all
Speaker 1: of them. Then give the ball to zeke and watch
Speaker 1: him bulldoze the cornerbacks that are trying to tackle them. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this doesn't seem complicated to me. To me,
Speaker 1: says tiny Jim. Exactly. We heard it here first. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on offensive line, Dave, oh shoot, offensive line.
Speaker 1: Offensive line. Um, they're the guys in front, thank you,
Speaker 1: yes guy? Yeah, Um, I've been. I was. I was
Speaker 1: bullish on the tackles, being healthy all year. So like
Speaker 1: I feel, I feel good that they are. I know,
Speaker 1: tyrants sitting out right now, but I don't care about
Speaker 1: that yet yet. Being the operative word. Um, I guess
Speaker 1: just you know, I, me and Nick both have been
Speaker 1: beating the drum all spring of like what why don't
Speaker 1: they have any other centers? What the hell's going on?
Speaker 1: And so it's been interesting to watch Connor cross train
Speaker 1: there and Brian's trying to fire be honest, already like
Speaker 1: a weekend to camp. He wants Connor playing center. I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to go there yet, but I do think,
Speaker 1: you know, he looks natural at it for a guy
Speaker 1: that had never done it until maybe two months ago.
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to say that's a position battle,
Speaker 1: but I I feel like by the time we get
Speaker 1: to the season, I feel like that's it's nice to
Speaker 1: know he can do that. I'm kind of waiting for
Speaker 1: all five of these offensive linemen to play together. Have
Speaker 1: we had a practice if I mean, I know, initially
Speaker 1: we the yeah, like the first the first two or three,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it became the day
Speaker 1: and then no, not exactly, it was all yea, so
Speaker 1: that there. But I will say this, I think they're
Speaker 1: in the same spot they were last year as far
Speaker 1: as those backups. If they have to play with those guys,
Speaker 1: they're in trouble. I'm just gonna be honest with you here.
Speaker 1: I don't think Titan and Sicky can play as a
Speaker 1: swing tackle. I really don't. I think he's too slow footed,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where it's gonna happen. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: gonna be, oh, we're gonna have to kick Zach Martin over,
Speaker 1: or oh we're gonna have to kick Connor Williams out,
Speaker 1: or oh we're gonna have to do something else. But man,
Speaker 1: they talk about the whole thing with steel in the
Speaker 1: weight room and improvement. You could have fooled me, you know, really,
Speaker 1: you could have fooled me. And you know, but that's
Speaker 1: why I was. I was expecting that him and night.
Speaker 1: You know, an off season. You know, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: We're not closing down the weight room anymore. Get in there,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe they have. They keep talking about
Speaker 1: they got in there, and then you watch it's not translating.
Speaker 1: All the little awards that we're getting for being strong
Speaker 1: man in the weight room is not translating to how
Speaker 1: we're playing on the practice field right now. I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with that. I yeah, to tell you how thought
Speaker 1: it looks pretty good actually on the right side. No,
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of plays, um, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like, man, I'm excited about that they actually kept
Speaker 1: playing them. You know. It's it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that we didn't like it necessarily at the time, but
Speaker 1: because they did, and it got him a high draft pick,
Speaker 1: not just because of him, but they kept playing that,
Speaker 1: you know, that mindset, and they lose, they lost games.
Speaker 1: They got a high draft pick, and they got parsons
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And now you're sitting with a
Speaker 1: guy that maybe a swing tackle maybe and he's got
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen game, fifteen games under his belt. He
Speaker 1: will see what he does in the in the preseason.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was a guy that played okay
Speaker 1: at times, but when he had bad moments like Dad
Speaker 1: got hurt and you know, got hit and fumbled, they
Speaker 1: lost the game against the Rams, or they had him
Speaker 1: fumble changed the game against the Browns. So you can't
Speaker 1: have those. I'm gonna do my broadest impression real quick.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you a question as Steel played on the
Speaker 1: left side at all at this camp. I have not
Speaker 1: seen him on the left side, which is interesting, neither
Speaker 1: of us. It's not very swinging, is it, know. And
Speaker 1: and they've also and what they've done is they've also
Speaker 1: kicked Night in playing more guard. I think, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you talk, you talked to the guys in the front office,
Speaker 1: I think Night's a better guard. But oh Diggy, the
Speaker 1: two sacks he's had have been against Night on the
Speaker 1: swim move right through the middle of the pocket, So
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like they're kind of in
Speaker 1: the same shape. Well, and I was kind of had
Speaker 1: some hope about Ball. I had some hope about Ball,
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen anything from Ball that makes makes me.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna play in all these preseason games. He's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna get a letter jacket play in this preseason.
Speaker 1: You're such a jerk. I do think I do think
Speaker 1: thinks looked pretty good. I think mcgoverness looked fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm trying to say if they have to
Speaker 1: play with one of these tackles, I hear it. But
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins has had some problems too now and in
Speaker 1: a way that I'm like, you know, is it rust
Speaker 1: that he looks lighter, he's moving? But man, give the
Speaker 1: defensive ends some credit for the way they've kind of
Speaker 1: come after these gutters defensive line, Nick oh Um, A
Speaker 1: lot of questions there at the tackle position. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they just got a lot of numbers we didn't know
Speaker 1: going in. We've kept our eye on Bohannah. You have
Speaker 1: Bohannah going to Canton next weekend, staying Canton. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make But I have scouts agree with you. By the way,
Speaker 1: I think Dan dan quinn said when they drafted him,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play right here and maybe right here, you know,
Speaker 1: just right over the center. I don't think that's been
Speaker 1: the case. No, I think they they've been able to
Speaker 1: move him like a tackle because he moves well. One
Speaker 1: of those one of those screens I was talking about
Speaker 1: that they've been running pretty well. It's like they went
Speaker 1: full flow to his right and they tried to sneak
Speaker 1: Zeke the other way and he's like, I'm gets rid
Speaker 1: of the honest and goes and get Zeke in the
Speaker 1: battlefield right there. And that's to be fair to Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: I think our man has lost like thirty five draft
Speaker 1: on tape. You don't see on tape this guy. You
Speaker 1: see a three hundred and fifty pound guy going up
Speaker 1: and dominating Vanderbilt's middle of the line. But they'll be
Speaker 1: or because that's where he did. He did like all
Speaker 1: his highlights. Well, he wasn't just you know, going back
Speaker 1: there against Alabama and whatever. I mean he was he was.
Speaker 1: He got jam And Davis, who the football team took
Speaker 1: it in the first on. That linebacker from Tucky's really good.
Speaker 1: I mean he got him drafted because he was able
Speaker 1: to free run and make a lot of play. Joseph
Speaker 1: maybe and the corner like I don't the cornerbacks have
Speaker 1: looked fine, and they've obviously like they've gotten their hands
Speaker 1: on a lot of balls, like I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: make this leap that I think that they look amazing yet.
Speaker 1: But we talk about cornerbacks about but I'm bringing it
Speaker 1: back to the first segment when Derek said, the cornerback
Speaker 1: you're just kind of taking. But I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: I've seen, like there's I've seen basically everybody along that
Speaker 1: front do something encouraging. Bohanna looks amazing. Might be a stretch,
Speaker 1: but Bohanna looks really good. No, not, no, he's not.
Speaker 1: Because if you're just Leary Urban, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to He hasn't, which I mean, he's made some plays,
Speaker 1: but I will say it's honestly, it's the guy that
Speaker 1: we all rode off the minute he got here that's
Speaker 1: been doing most of that is Carlos Watkins. Everybody was
Speaker 1: like this bub from Houston, he'll get cut, and he's
Speaker 1: the he's the starting one tech right now. The pro
Speaker 1: guys had a bad year last year. Year before they
Speaker 1: did a great job with the Quinn trade and all
Speaker 1: that made that work. They had a bad, bad evaluation
Speaker 1: period last year. All those defensive linemen they brought in
Speaker 1: world busts, you know, and so you know, yeah, if
Speaker 1: they can with bash him. You know, Urban, those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still waiting. I thought when the Pads
Speaker 1: came on that Urban would be more He's he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's knocked down a couple of passes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I thought he would be more of a powerful guy.
Speaker 1: But it has been I'll tell you, Neville Gallimore has
Speaker 1: been a guy that all of a sudden, you talk
Speaker 1: about a guy that the light bulb has kind of
Speaker 1: come on for him. The body looks good, the mobility
Speaker 1: looks good. The way he's getting up the field, he's
Speaker 1: been hard to lock, you know, you guys. He gets
Speaker 1: guys on their heels. I think that's been a real
Speaker 1: positive sign there. It makes me nervous because he wears
Speaker 1: the same number as Malik, and I mean, I'm oh, no,
Speaker 1: I had that. I had visions of every vision to MALIEK. Collins,
Speaker 1: like kind of going well against Frederick and then going
Speaker 1: well against Martin, and then you learned that Frederick is
Speaker 1: not all there, you know of a thing, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's part of It's tough. Every year. I came
Speaker 1: out here and thought Malik was about to be a
Speaker 1: pro bowler, but that's I mean, that's how that Neville
Speaker 1: looks fricking awesome. I hope it actually translates for him.
Speaker 1: Linebacker our favorite position. Uh, Mike, Mike is a stud.
Speaker 1: I was, I was. We were both down on the pick.
Speaker 1: I think me and Brian both probably would have taken
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater. Yeah, is it a position I would Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have taken Rashaans later. But I wasn't down
Speaker 1: on the pick because I thought he could be a
Speaker 1: good players like Slater. And then Bolton was availed to Missouri.
Speaker 1: Linebacker was available in that second round, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, oh, wow, you could have got that
Speaker 1: guy in a shorter linebacker that could tackle and run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seemed like to be That was a kind of
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn fit. Mister four or seven from Missouri
Speaker 1: can't do what Mike is doing out here. There's no
Speaker 1: question he's making He's making me look bad for not
Speaker 1: I thought he was a super talented guy. But I'm
Speaker 1: just like, is this too high for an off ball linebacker?
Speaker 1: But that's what makes him so exciting, is he smiling
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. He's doing a lot of other stuff,
Speaker 1: his GP, his GPS stuff, is off the charts. I'm
Speaker 1: sure when they go back and they're like, Okay, who's
Speaker 1: got the highest movement of all that, it's it's him.
Speaker 1: Every day there's corners that run a lot and receivers
Speaker 1: that run a lot. I guarantee he's his right almost
Speaker 1: off the charts. And the funny thing too, I was
Speaker 1: talking about this at practice with somebody yesterday. He I mean,
Speaker 1: all these guys are huge and impressive and incredibly good athletes,
Speaker 1: but like, he doesn't look like Superman, you know, like
Speaker 1: Layton and Jalen look like action figures. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean we say this all the time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if Jalen's first guy off the bus, especially when he's
Speaker 1: in uniform with the chrome visor and the sweatpants, he's
Speaker 1: first guy off the bus. Mica doesn't look that physically
Speaker 1: impressive compared to those guys, but he's sure as hell
Speaker 1: moves impressive, like, way more impressive than anybody else. And
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder, put this dude into weight program
Speaker 1: next year. Imagine what he's gonna look like. This show
Speaker 1: up looking terrifying. Yeah, yeah, I think you did say that.
Speaker 1: A couple of ships. Well, he I tell you one
Speaker 1: time I was watching the one on one pass or
Speaker 1: shirt two verse two, and he dropped down and took
Speaker 1: a rep as a defensive tackle. Yeah, I went, he's okay,
Speaker 1: listening around the air, He's impressive, very impressive, nick linebacker. Um,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Jalen Smith make a play. I haven't.
Speaker 1: You guys have maybe seen more plays. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him really go out and go wow, okay, that was
Speaker 1: a good play. I see him in coverage of little
Speaker 1: little bit. I see him high five in people. I
Speaker 1: see him kind of there, right, But I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: see the play, you know, And now I get it.
Speaker 1: He is a physical player when he wants to be.
Speaker 1: When he wants to go downhill and hit people, he can,
Speaker 1: and we haven't got to see that. So you know,
Speaker 1: you might see a little bit more physicality. And I
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn's gonna get him in position. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to talk good about him. I
Speaker 1: think I think we kind of decided, hey, let's let's
Speaker 1: just let things play out. We don't need to trash
Speaker 1: this guy. But he's just not making a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: He's not and he doesn't help himself with some of
Speaker 1: the things he says, it's just it's it's tough. You
Speaker 1: you want to kind of look for the good stuff,
Speaker 1: and I just haven't really seen any. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Nick's onto something. I think dan Quinn's gonna figure out.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be part of what they're doing. But what
Speaker 1: happens when you watch him play, especially in coverage, he
Speaker 1: immediately has to grab, He immediately has to tackle to
Speaker 1: slow the receiver up so he can put himself in position.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna look get that and tape. They're
Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, we can't put him on the field
Speaker 1: and coverage situations. I think when it's talks about down
Speaker 1: down and distant stuff that he probably won't be on
Speaker 1: the field very much. I think there'll be some things
Speaker 1: they have him in the rotation, but overall, I think
Speaker 1: they're saying, hey, a little bit of a liability and coverage,
Speaker 1: we need to keep Parsons on the field, we need
Speaker 1: to keep band resh. Those guys have been outstanding us
Speaker 1: to talk about all the round players, both those guys
Speaker 1: first and ten. Though first and ten, the first time
Speaker 1: the Bucks take the field, will he be on the field.
Speaker 1: I think you don't care if he comes off, well,
Speaker 1: it depends on if the Bucks go eleven personnel and
Speaker 1: try and spread you out kind of a thing, which
Speaker 1: they will. No, I need them to go heavy and
Speaker 1: give it to Leonard if they if they go heavy,
Speaker 1: then then yeah, he'll be on the there's a little
Speaker 1: banging on. It's not gonna matter because places eating Tampa
Speaker 1: by the way, because NBC when they are on the field,
Speaker 1: you know, and even if it's'll probably be a second
Speaker 1: or third down there, it looks look at that Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense and he's gonna be like smooth Notre Dame and
Speaker 1: it's gonna that's a good point. Yeah, No, I he
Speaker 1: just needs to have the little star next to his
Speaker 1: name on Pro Football Reference when the games a star.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. He didn't matter if he gets
Speaker 1: three snaps, he could play one as long as it's
Speaker 1: the first one. All right, fair enough, Let's go on
Speaker 1: real quickly, you real quick? Uh the infore me in
Speaker 1: the show. Let's get the secondary. Give me something you've
Speaker 1: noticed about the secondary or something you've learned about the secondary? Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, which you know he's he's he is now
Speaker 1: in a battle with Malie Cooker and maybe they brought
Speaker 1: him in because they're not impressed on tape. You know,
Speaker 1: tape and what we see at field levels totally different.
Speaker 1: But I'm amazed by Demante Casey just just being out
Speaker 1: there again, like we said that in the spring, just
Speaker 1: being as ready to go as he is, and like
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he's on a veteran schedule. He's
Speaker 1: not taking off days. He's doing everything and by the
Speaker 1: way he's making plays. He picked six dak the other day.
Speaker 1: He had another pick against Gilbert yesterday. Uh. And it's
Speaker 1: fun because we get to watch from the end zone
Speaker 1: and you can kind of watch, you know, if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch these videos we take from practice,
Speaker 1: you can see Casey identify what's going on, make the
Speaker 1: read step in front of the ball. So that's exciting. Now,
Speaker 1: Like I had no expectations for that guy whatsoever. I
Speaker 1: think they gave him one hundred thousand dollars guaranteed. That's
Speaker 1: nothing that is we don't. Yeah, let's give it a shot,
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't work out, nobody cares. But like
Speaker 1: he looks good out there, and I didn't think that
Speaker 1: might be the case. I think when you look at cornerback.
Speaker 1: It's the one position that you can say I mean again,
Speaker 1: it goes pretty deep, but you can say this, these
Speaker 1: guys will be on the fifty three if they're healthy.
Speaker 1: You know, one to seven. I think it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: to go seven corners. Now. I know they're gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of special teams guys. But you know, Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis and digs and then you've got the two
Speaker 1: draft picks, and I think they're both gonna make it
Speaker 1: go with Joseph and the Sean right and then Kennedy
Speaker 1: and CJ. Goodwin our corners, but they're also gonna be
Speaker 1: special teams guys. Cannedy showing he's given me more than that.
Speaker 1: What about a guy like Deontay Burdon. He's been out
Speaker 1: there a lot, They've been playing him a lot. I know.
Speaker 1: I just he made plays in the OTAs in mini camps.
Speaker 1: I haven't noticed him as much in these practices and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I think Nick's you guys are on
Speaker 1: about the seven. That means you're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: light somewhere else? Did he go light at linebacker? Can
Speaker 1: you go light at defensive line? Can you go light?
Speaker 1: I mean you go probably light at quarterback, they'll probably
Speaker 1: keep two. But if you're gonna keep that extra special
Speaker 1: teams that bones Fossil is gonna get his three core
Speaker 1: special teams guys to go along with the three guys
Speaker 1: that he's got already the snapper, the kicker, and the punter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find another spot for something to
Speaker 1: take to be able to get one of those guys
Speaker 1: on breaking Like the secondary gives me anxiety, just like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do with that that's
Speaker 1: playing better though they had, but they have been playing
Speaker 1: better that I was thinking that. And I've talked about
Speaker 1: the safety being a mess position even you know, even
Speaker 1: the Thompson had an interest an overthrown did so, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm anxious to see Hooker because I think Hooker
Speaker 1: and Wilson what I know about Malik Hooker playing in college,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm praying that comes back to that guy.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that plays with range. He was one
Speaker 1: of the best defensive players I scouted in that draft.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping his health is okay and he can play
Speaker 1: with that range, play in the middle, play off the
Speaker 1: hash helps him the coverage, walk down and covering the
Speaker 1: slot if he has to, those are all things you
Speaker 1: need him to do. Talk about wearing that twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's maybe. Actually this is a conversation. I
Speaker 1: did have a conversation a little bit with Darren yea as.
Speaker 1: I texted him and he like five days later responded.
Speaker 1: But I texted him the picture of twenty eight and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not okay with this. Nobody is.
Speaker 1: He finally texted me back and he was like, it's typical.
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson only cares about really one thing. He's like, ha,
Speaker 1: can he play? Yeah? Right, I don't care, but he played. Hey,
Speaker 1: we time will tell. Yeah, he needs to stay healthy,
Speaker 1: like he is capable of living up to it absolutely,
Speaker 1: which is they used to. They've been given that number
Speaker 1: out the scrubs for the last few years. At least
Speaker 1: Malie Hooker's got some pedigree. He sure does. Wait, so
Speaker 1: real quick, I know we got in the show. Do you.
Speaker 1: I was talking about this somebody yesterday. Do you think
Speaker 1: Kasey and Hooker can both make this team? Doesn't that
Speaker 1: seem kind of redundant to you? Yeah? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: if you if if Kazy. It's funny to me because
Speaker 1: Casey's so small, but he could probably play a better,
Speaker 1: be a better maybe a cover guy or something. But
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I mean both, they're
Speaker 1: both gonna be the free They can't play strong. I don't.
Speaker 1: They don't. They're not gonna play a ton of special teams.
Speaker 1: The reason why I think Casey looks so good is
Speaker 1: because he knows what dan Quinn's gonna call. When dan
Speaker 1: Quinn makes a call, he totally understand Abel's has to think.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to think. But I also think you
Speaker 1: got to remember to day, like the reason why Hooker's
Speaker 1: out there is because injuries have all have been an
Speaker 1: issue for him. So so if you do I think,
Speaker 1: I think if this team is I think, I don't
Speaker 1: think they can be shortsighted and say, well, if looker
Speaker 1: looks good, we're good. Yeah. I think they got a say,
Speaker 1: we gotta make sure we got a good as good
Speaker 1: equality as we can get as a backup. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hand the job to anybody. I
Speaker 1: just think we just had this conversation about you don't
Speaker 1: know where these roster spots are going to come from.
Speaker 1: And they're kind of the same player like, and they
Speaker 1: have a they it's specialized. Like you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: a ton of special team snaps out of them. They can't.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna play strong. It's not gonna be some
Speaker 1: Cazy's playing against Zeke all the time, Like he's not
Speaker 1: gonna play strong. Yeah, it's not gonna hurt them to
Speaker 1: cut CAZy if they have two. Money wise, sure they
Speaker 1: might have to play Wilson on special teams a little
Speaker 1: bit more. You know, he's kind of a starter, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he can play it. You can do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't want to ask one thing before
Speaker 1: we get going here do We got two hours, so
Speaker 1: I gotta get going. Brian, I don't think we really
Speaker 1: mentioned it when we start the show, just kind of
Speaker 1: tell tell the fans kind of where where you are now,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, where they can find you. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna at one oh five three the fan and we're
Speaker 1: the radio partner with the team. So m really fortunate
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about working with Brad Champ too, doing
Speaker 1: the preseason games as well. Be on with the Arizona,
Speaker 1: the Jackson Houston Jacksonville games. Babe and Brad had the call.
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Speaker 1: really good show. Thank you and uh, well, appreciate you
Speaker 1: join us. Man, thank you for having me back through
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll do it sometime later this year. We'll
Speaker 1: get I'll do that. And good luck to Bennett brought us.
Speaker 1: He's been running around the camps here for years. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a starting quarterback. Here we go. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see how it all go. Yeah, thanks all right, guys,
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Johns. We'll be back on Sunday till then
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