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Speaker 1: our partner. A lot of theories circulating about where Don

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Speaker 1: Lewis is today. He's now usually tagged as Carol Baskin's

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Speaker 1: dad husband Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is a very special guest. This is Jack don

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Speaker 1: Lewis's lawyer, Joseph Fritz. Mister Fritz, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Yes, ma'am, mister Fritz, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of all the theories about what happened to your client,

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Speaker 1: Jack don Lewis. He's presumed dead according to our court system.

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Speaker 1: In my view, there's no question but that he was murdered.

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Speaker 1: So you, like me, are convinced he's dead. He's not

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Speaker 1: just missing, he's dead. As we say the South DRT

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Speaker 1: dead right there. That's exactly what they say, dead right there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: mister Fritz, I've got so many questions for you, I

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Speaker 1: hardly know where to start, but I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: with your last response, and that was he was murdered.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. He didn't just drop dead of

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Speaker 1: a stroke. He was murdered. Why do you say that? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, he loved these cats. He really loved

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Speaker 1: those cats. I was there with him, I was there

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Speaker 1: with my son, the predecessor wildlife on Easy Street. He

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Speaker 1: loved those cats. He never would have just walked away

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Speaker 1: from him. Ever, he wouldn't have done it. He was

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Speaker 1: proud of those cats. He loved those cats. Some force

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Speaker 1: made him leave. I would never leave my children, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it, But what about his family. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would just walk out and not tell his

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Speaker 1: again from that day forward. I agree he wouldn't. Why

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Speaker 1: else do you believe he was murder mister Fritz circumstantial evidence?

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have lied about what

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of people remarks about Costa Rica and

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Speaker 1: things of that nature. I don't know who is a

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Speaker 1: murderer and who is not a murderer, but I know

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Speaker 1: who's a liar, and I can definitively state that that

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Speaker 1: somebody's lying about it. So I don't like the words

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Speaker 1: of the power of attorney of disappearance. I don't like

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Speaker 1: the facts and circumstances. I don't like the prior petition

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Speaker 1: for the bestic violence injunction. I don't like a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that were going on at the time. Do

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Speaker 1: I know who murdered him? No, I don't. Well, you

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Speaker 1: said that someone you know that someone is lying. Who

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Speaker 1: there I personally know to be false, such as what

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Speaker 1: my involvement, Don Lewis, for instance, Well, what does she

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Speaker 1: say your involvement was, and what was your involvement? Well,

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Speaker 1: at that time in my life and in my career,

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Speaker 1: I was doing animal law with the USDA that regulated

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Speaker 1: times I would stop at their office and chat with him.

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Speaker 1: The ultimate relationship with friends, pal's buddies and a attorney client,

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Speaker 1: you know, mister Fritz. The more I've looked at and

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Speaker 1: listened to Don Lewis, he seems like such a likable guy,

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Speaker 1: how he comes across. But I happened to know he

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Speaker 1: was quite the womanizer. I've heard that, yes, do you

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Speaker 1: know you're going to take those secrets to your grave?

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Speaker 1: I do not know it to be true. I have

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Speaker 1: no receiate it. I never questioned him about it. He'd

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Speaker 1: never admitted he'd every Saturday they got it, but I

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Speaker 1: certainly heard as a solid diet of that. Yes. So

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Speaker 1: what Carol Baskin has today her animal sanctuary is really

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Speaker 1: what your client, Jack don Lewis built long before she

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Speaker 1: came into the picture. Is that correct? Yes? And let

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Speaker 1: me correct something for you and for the world. That

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Speaker 1: is not a rescue and that is not a sanctuary.

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Speaker 1: That's a private zoo. Sanctuaries and rescue places you take

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Speaker 1: for ninety four thousand dollars. You don't buy animals to

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Speaker 1: populate a sanctuary or a rescue. That, in my view

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Speaker 1: as a fraud. It's a private zoo at zoo, and

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Speaker 1: it today is a private zoo, absolutely with a catchy name.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of Carol Baskin claiming that

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Speaker 1: it is a sanctuary fraud? But why? What's in it

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know the particulars of it, but

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Speaker 1: I truly suspect thousands upon thousands upon thousands of donations

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Speaker 1: I don't know what money they make out of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what money they don't make out of it,

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Speaker 1: but I have heard of the of a significant number

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Speaker 1: portals and stuff. Mister Fritz, I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to what you were saying, that you know someone is

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Speaker 1: lying and it's all mixed up, and what happened to

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Speaker 1: your client, Don Lewis. You said that there are lies

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Speaker 1: about your alleged involvement, and your real involvement was that

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Speaker 1: been lied about? What other lies are you talking about

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Speaker 1: the relationship between Don and I? The how Donna and

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Speaker 1: I first hooked up. She made some comment about a

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Speaker 1: mortgage which just absolutely was not true, is off the wall.

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Speaker 1: But why lie about it? I don't know. You'd have

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Speaker 1: to ask her. Tell me about the marriage if you

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Speaker 1: know about it. I understand that there was a restraining

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Speaker 1: order filed, not granted, but filed by your client against

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Speaker 1: Carol Basking. What happened I've read. I've read. The meat

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Speaker 1: of the complaint basically says he wanted an injunction because

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Speaker 1: she quote unquote threatened to kill him. But there's no corroboration. No,

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Speaker 1: I wish it'd be retrous, but I wish you would

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Speaker 1: have come to me before he filed it. We might

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Speaker 1: that could be made. I don't know, but his just

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Speaker 1: was a naked complaint that said she threatened to kill me,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I have several things to say. In my view,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's sufficient to grant an injunction it

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Speaker 1: Number two, We as a society generally don't restrain free speech.

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Speaker 1: But there's no overt a hold on mister. Free speech

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Speaker 1: that amounts to a terroristic threat or some other sort

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Speaker 1: of crime such as bribery, a threat that is not

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Speaker 1: protected by free speech. When you threaten to kill someone,

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Speaker 1: your defense is not freedom of speech under the Bill

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Speaker 1: of Rights. Oh No, I don't think any judge in

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Speaker 1: if there'd been any overt act at all, like waving

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Speaker 1: multiple times, we could have would have gone forward. I

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Speaker 1: Let's get right down to it. What do you believe

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Speaker 1: Years of years and years ago. I heard off the street.

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Speaker 1: twenty four years late. Parenthetically, I told them that and

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Speaker 1: same story to different people. So there's probably something to it.

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Speaker 1: And that's scenario. Who would be behind your client, Don Lewis,

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Speaker 1: the physical acumen to throw him out of the airplane? Well,

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Speaker 1: there must have been three people in the plane, the

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Speaker 1: it was suspended or revoked for the FAA, which is

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Speaker 1: why Don liked to fly at fifty feet, stay under radar.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have his squawk on, he wouldn't give you

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Speaker 1: his tail number, or did any of the other things

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Speaker 1: Although that scenario is basically what our sheriff's corporal that

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Speaker 1: Who his informant is I don't know, And mister Chris,

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Speaker 1: Very little. It was a shock of a sadness to me.

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Speaker 1: can buy here for a hundred bucks. He'd be on

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00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: the road coming with a hundred bucks. You know, there's

428
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: a little interesting theory, mister Fritz, because I mean working

429
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: under the theory that I was given that he was

430
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: planning a trip to Costa Rica and he had gone

431
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: to that private airport. There was no manifest, nobody could

432
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: identify him coming through the airport, there was no flight plan,

433
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: nothing like that. So he never flew out on a trip.

434
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: But your theory that he was going to look for

435
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: a plane to buy wouldn't make more sense because you

436
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: don't have to show your ID, you don't have to

437
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: go through the office and log in that you're leaving.

438
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: You just show up and you go look at the plane. Understand,

439
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: if Don were flying, he wouldn't want anybody to know

440
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: who he was flying because it was illegal. Let me

441
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: ask you, award your opinion on the theories that your client,

442
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Jack don Lewis was fed through a meat grinder there

443
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: on his at his private zoo as you call it,

444
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: or that he was buried under a septic tank there

445
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: at the zoo. What do you make of those theories?

446
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: They're blarney. I agree, I've seen that that meat grinder,

447
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the output on it is no bigger than a coffee cup,

448
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: A little bit bigger than a coffee cup. I don't

449
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: think anything that could have happened. If it was, it

450
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: would have been DNA. They would have been here, they

451
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: would have been all sorts of stuff all over. Even

452
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: our sheriff couldn't do that crumby investigation. They would have

453
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: found that under the septic tank. I don't. I don't

454
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: have a clue, but I don't think so. I heard

455
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: Carol make fun of it on TV. The septic tank

456
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: was years after predated whatever question regarding the sheriff, not

457
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: necessarily the sheriff, but the investigation at the time. Do

458
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: you think an adequate investigation was done into his disappearance?

459
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I think why I think Walmart security would

460
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: do a better investigation of a kid shoplifted a CD

461
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: than the sheriff did in this murder case. To think

462
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: that they gave the car back with no forensics, To

463
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: think that they didn't check radars, uh, to investigate everybody

464
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: up at Pilot Country Estates, UH. They didn't do a

465
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: thing that I could see. Why why I have no clue.

466
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: I have a theory but um no, I'm not going there. Yeah,

467
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I understand. I will tell you, I will I will

468
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: comment this now. I want to make a comment. You know,

469
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: our sheriff's department here is so politically entwined that our

470
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: sheriff's department creates its own weather. So I don't know why,

471
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: what what they're doing, I don't know. Let me give

472
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: you the example. I've obviously pretty close to the situation,

473
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: pretty close to don and do a few things. Um

474
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: and I know some things that have never been They've

475
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: never been brought out before. Why the world would it

476
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: take them twenty four years to interview me, mister Fritz

477
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: when you say you know things that have never been

478
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: brought out before, such as what one point two million

479
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: dollar life policy and the disposition of it? Who was

480
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: the beneficiary? I'm not going to name a name, but

481
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: there was a beneficiary. Let me let me just put it.

482
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: Was it paid out, Let me finished, Let me finish.

483
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Not for five years until he was declared dead by

484
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: a court. It was paid out. The idea was that

485
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: they were going to form a trust. The trust was

486
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: going to be the owner and the beneficiary of the policy.

487
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: He disappeared before that could be done. But he had

488
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: with somebody and I'm not naming them because there's still

489
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: a friend client palad buddy of mine, the current client

490
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: for that matter. He had left instructions who got what

491
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: when he died. That person was a beneficiary and the

492
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: owner of the policy. And as you know, being a lawyer,

493
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: he could have walked down the street with a million

494
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: two plus the five years of interest, and nobody could

495
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: have done a damn thing. I want you to know

496
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that five years later that person wrote the takes just

497
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: the way they'd been told five years prior. That's honesty.

498
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: If I practice another forty years, I will never see

499
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: that again. Do you agree? Yes, that's the most honest

500
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen anybody do. Why do I say what?

501
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: That's the most honest thing I've ever seen anybody do? What?

502
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Could they have done? Exactly what they did? Don had

503
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: written on a piece of paper, who got what? Which? Daughter? Which? This? Which?

504
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: That which? Everybody? That's exactly they The body was divvied

505
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: up five years later the one point two million life

506
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: insurance policy. Yeah, but it was more than that, because

507
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: I think the insurance company had to pay five years

508
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: interest until he was declared dead. Yeah, when you say that,

509
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: you know things that have never been brought out other

510
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: than the one point to mill insurance policy. What else

511
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: has never been brought out? I'd have to think that

512
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: one through. But that's the one that's that's that's just

513
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: glaring because it shows you who in this scenario is

514
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: telling the truth and who isn't. Can you be specific?

515
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? I thought that was

516
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: pretty spe specific. If somebody is not. Everybody has a

517
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: JD like you do. A lot of people don't understand

518
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: what you're talking about that have not gone to law

519
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: school and gotten a law degree. What is your question

520
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: you're telling me? I think that Lewis, your client wrote

521
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: out on a piece of paper or how he wanted

522
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: the one point two million divided up, and that the

523
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: policy owner or whoever was in charge of that, did

524
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: it exactly. It was written down on that piece of paper. Correct.

525
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: They were the beneficiary, They stated the beneficiary and the

526
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: owner of the policy, obviously, and I was told that

527
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: they were too far. But trust and the trust was

528
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: going to be the owner and the beneficiary and the

529
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: divvy it up under the terms of the trust. He

530
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: disappeared before that trust could be done or before it

531
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: was done, and that person when the insurance company paid,

532
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: and they could have walked down the street, as you know,

533
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: with a million two plus interest, said see, I'm sorry,

534
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm the beneficiary, that's my money. They didn't. They sat

535
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: down to the wrote checks for exactly how he wrote.

536
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: What had it done five years prior that? To me

537
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: is honesty. If you're honest with the million two, you're

538
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: going to be honest with your questions and answers. Climb

539
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Mister Fritz, what do you make

540
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: of Carol Baskin's brother being on the Sheriff's force at

541
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: the time the Carol Baskin husband disappears. I've questioned that

542
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: a lot. I have no real answer. Um. I know

543
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: there's I know there's a You could paint a pretty

544
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: bad situation out of that if you tried, But I

545
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have any I've never met the band.

546
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: I've never looked in these eyes. I never had an opportunity.

547
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: Whether I thought, quote unquote the fix was on or not,

548
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: I have no clue. But it sure raises one's eyebrows.

549
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: It may raise an eyebrow. I agree with you, but

550
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: in itself doesn't prove anything. But I find it really

551
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: hard to believe that at three a m. In the morning,

552
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Carol Baskin was out alone in her vehicle to get

553
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: tiger milk at three am. That's very specialized. They don't

554
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: drink milk out of the grocery store like we do.

555
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: They drink something very specialized. Where do you get that

556
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: at three am? And your car breakdown and your brother

557
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: on the Sheriff's department comes and fixes the car. That's

558
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a tall tale. It sounds

559
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: like you can't make stuff like that up. That's unreal.

560
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: Do you believe it? No? I do? I believe she

561
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: was out. Yes, I believe the car broke down. Yes,

562
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: I believe her brother said Summer did something to her

563
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: helping her. Yes. Do I believe Tiger's milk? No? So

564
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: what in the hay is she doing out at three

565
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: am in the morning alone in the car. It's not

566
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: a crime, but the timing of it is the issue.

567
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: What do you say to that. I have no reason

568
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: to think of why she would even be out at

569
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: three in the morning, or what she was doing, or

570
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: where she was going, or what was going on. I

571
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: don't have a clue. What did you think when you

572
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: first heard that your client, Don Lewis had vanished well

573
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: for a week or ten days. I would have hoped

574
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: that he might have shown up, that he had gone

575
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: to Michigan to buy more livestock, or or Costa Rica

576
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: bought some more livestock. But it started becoming pretty clear

577
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: pretty quick that he wasn't coming back. After you learned

578
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: that he had gone missing, did you speak to Carol Baskin? Never?

579
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: Did she ever contact you about his business? No? My

580
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: only contact was with his office manager. Yes, And what

581
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: was her information? What did she think happened? You have

582
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to ask her when you contact to her? What was

583
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: it about? Various things, some business happenings that were going on,

584
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: some of the cats, some of this, some of that

585
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: she told me that was going on regarding the office

586
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: and the season of paperwork and things of that nature

587
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: that I heard about all that. Well, what was going on?

588
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Who was seizing documents in the office? I asked her.

589
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know firsthand I've heard, but

590
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and would be the make of the claims that you're

591
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: I ha had Alzheimer's or dementia. At near the time

592
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: of his disappearance. He was absolutely sound of mind. He was,

593
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: as they say, oriented times three. He knew the time, date, place,

594
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: what he was doing, things of that nature. Did he

595
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: seem a little off? Yes? Was he a competent? No.

596
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: I had always put together that one of or two

597
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: he had had a couple of airplane crashes, and I thought,

598
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I just put together in my mind that something that

599
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: he must have had set some head trauma during one

600
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: of those things that caused him to be a little off.

601
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: But did he have Alzheimer's held up? He was as

602
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: sharp as attack. Now, why do you say he hid

603
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: his head in a crash? Do you know that to

604
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: beachue or did you just think that? I never He'd

605
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: never told me about a crash, but I've heard about

606
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I think he was too crashes he had. That's why

607
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: he had his license revoked or suspended by the FAA.

608
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I am told I've not seen it when I spoke

609
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: to our when I was interviewed by our sheriff, the

610
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: sheriff WS he had those documents. So again I believe

611
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: that indeed he had been at crashes and that he

612
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: did have his license revoked by the FAA. I just

613
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: put it together in my own head that he probably

614
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: hid his head during one of those crashes. A matter

615
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: of fact, I fly quite a bit by private, and

616
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not even I don't even know somebody that survived

617
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: one much less too. What do you make of, then,

618
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: of the climes. Why would anyone say he had dementia

619
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: or Alzheimer's. Why would anybody even claim that if it

620
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: weren't true. You know the answer to that, I guess

621
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: I do. You know there's a theory out there that

622
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: Don Lewis was loaning money to organize crime. What do

623
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: you make of that? That's bull? I agree, you know,

624
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: organized crime loans money. They don't borrow money. I'm cured

625
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: of juice and vigorous and all the other stuff that

626
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: they do, and usually beat beat people up to get

627
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: their loans back. They loan money, they don't borrow money,

628
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: mister Fritz. And all the time that Don Lewis has

629
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: been missing, has there ever been, to your knowledge, a

630
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: siding of him, any contact from him, anything that would

631
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: suggest to you that he was alive. No, ma'am. Was

632
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: there a memorial for him? I'm sorry? Was there a

633
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: funeral or a memorial for him. There was no funeral

634
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: because there's nobody bemorial. I don't know if there was.

635
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't invited or notified. Did you did you have

636
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: any disagreements with Carol Baskin? No? Have you spoken to

637
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: his family? Don Lewis's family? What about it? Do I

638
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: know him? Right? Have you spoken of them since his disappearance?

639
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Speaker 1: They're spoken of them. No, They've not reached out to me.

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00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: I've left them alone. I still deal with the office

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Speaker 1: manager to this day. Right right, I'm just wondering how

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Speaker 1: his family took his sudden disappearance and if they believe

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00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: he took off or that he was killed. They obviously

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00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: think he was killed. One last question for you. You

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00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: said that you wish he had come to you regarding

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00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: that protective order. Why do you say that? Well, many

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00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: times somebody would just throw out a few words and

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00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: expected judge to go with it. A respectable attorney would question,

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Speaker 1: many things had happened within say six months? Was there

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Speaker 1: any other episodes? Was there any witnesses? Was there any

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00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: other things that happened? Can we flesh this out? Is

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Speaker 1: this a recurring pattern or a one time thing? What

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00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: were the real threats? Was a gun ever seen waived?

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Speaker 1: You know, none of that was there nothing. It may be,

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Speaker 1: it may not be that I would have if could

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Speaker 1: have sat with him and questioned him and filled out

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Speaker 1: more to give the judge more to go on, but

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Speaker 1: just to flat say that, I don't think any judge

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Speaker 1: of America would enter an injunction based on that. And

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Speaker 1: I will also say, let me say a sexual matter too.

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Speaker 1: Back twenty five years ago, it was almost laughed at

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Speaker 1: that a woman would hurt a man, but if a

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Speaker 1: man threatened a woman, you'd get an immediate injunction. So

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Speaker 1: to the extent that's sexual, I make it a sec remark, okay,

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Speaker 1: But twenty five years ago that was the way it

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Speaker 1: was not so today. You know, I find it really interesting.

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Speaker 1: And all the time you knew Don Lewis he had

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00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: never filed a restraining order before, you say that he

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Speaker 1: was of sound mind. And I believe you said lucid

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Speaker 1: times three. Something must have made him go and try

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Speaker 1: to get that protective order. He had never done it before,

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Speaker 1: but he did it then, sure did As I say,

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Speaker 1: I wish you would have come to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: we might have maybe we wouldn't. Maybe we wouldn't, but

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00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe we would have been able to flesh it out

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Speaker 1: and put some more allegations there, some corroboration. So that

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Speaker 1: wasn't just grabbing a phrase out of mid air and

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Speaker 1: said that's enough, and it's not. It's not. It is

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Speaker 1: if it's believed, completely believed. How do you make somebody,

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Speaker 1: how didn't make a judge believe that corroboration, witnesses, other incidents,

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Speaker 1: things of that nature. But to just just blow the

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Speaker 1: words out on a piece of paper somebody threatened to

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Speaker 1: kill me, that's not enough, mister Fris. Do you think

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Speaker 1: we're ever going to find out what happened to Don Lewis? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I'm sitting here. I want

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Speaker 1: to keep the ball up in the air as long

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Speaker 1: as we can. Somebody is one day there's more than

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Speaker 1: one person involved in this. Chad Crodister says the same

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Speaker 1: thing that the corporal of homicide that I spoke to

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Speaker 1: says the same thing. One day one of these people

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00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: is going to stub their toe and want to get

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Speaker 1: out of jail free card, and that's when something's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Do you think a reward would help. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a reward of not serving a life sentence. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about Anne McQueen story or what she witnessed?

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Speaker 1: And McQueen is one hundred percent reliable, a decent individual.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to interview her? Bottom line? You yes, ma'am?

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Speaker 1: Are you yes? I'm going to yes. Ask her about

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00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: that policy, the life insurance policy. Ask Ker, So you

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Speaker 1: think the only way this case is ever going to

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Speaker 1: be cracked is if someone if it comes to push

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Speaker 1: and shove and somebody's looking at a life sentence, huh,

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Speaker 1: some kind of sentence, they're gonna want a deal. They

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Speaker 1: always do. Yep, mister Fritz. What's your message to whoever

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Speaker 1: killed Don Lewis? One day? Sleep well one day, mister Fritz,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us,