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Speaker 1: Nay, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old shows

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Speaker 2: with all new commentary, updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're looking back on episode number sixty one, which

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Speaker 1: we named Live at the Neptune.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: This is a Seattle Live show and the episode came

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Speaker 2: out on March twenty third, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So let's listen to the intro of episode sixty one

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Speaker 1: by Hey guys, Seattle, Hi, Hi, Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Are these microphones on? Can we no? Can you hear us?

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Speaker 1: Me?

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Speaker 3: Me?

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Speaker 1: Me, me, me me? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What's empty?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: I'm scared of that empty row? Who said the fucking

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Speaker 3: empty row lights up? I want all those names? What

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Speaker 3: do you say? Dead bodies?

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Speaker 1: The fucking Reserve family is a real bunch of dicks,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Crazy. Whose family is that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know?

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Speaker 2: It's it's a Jim and Donna Neptune And they always

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Speaker 2: get fifteen seats at every.

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Speaker 3: Show that they do. Oh my god, it's so good

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Speaker 3: to be here with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: This is so exciting. We uh, this is the very

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Speaker 1: last night of our weekend tour. First tour.

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Speaker 2: Ever, Yes, we're wrapping it down with seattle.

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Speaker 3: Thank god.

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Speaker 2: That's for last and just in time, because we thought

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Speaker 2: it would be a good idea to wear the same

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Speaker 2: dresses for the whole leg of the Western tour, so

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't cheer for.

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Speaker 3: It if you could smell it.

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Speaker 1: These I love them. They're going straight into the hotel

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Speaker 1: room trash when I got home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all filth. Now, it's all ruined. This feels

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Speaker 3: like a dress.

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Speaker 2: When I first put it on the first night, I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm a gorgeous princess. And tonight I'm like

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Speaker 2: I feel like Harold's mother from Harold and Maud.

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Speaker 3: It feels like gross, polyestered.

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Speaker 2: But pocket, find me, find me, find my light, find me,

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Speaker 2: follow me. Now, I come do this with me. Like guys,

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Speaker 2: they won't participate, We won't do use confuses. There, it

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Speaker 2: is there, he is there.

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Speaker 1: Oh she was just gonna keep going.

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Speaker 3: There's someone up there that's so mad. Right now, I

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Speaker 3: have this in the fucking sewing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should wear different dresses every night.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm how about pants and old shirts?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just wear whatever we want.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the dress thing may have been sarcastic

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Speaker 2: at first, and then now we have to like weirdly

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Speaker 2: commit to like it's our tour and we have to

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Speaker 2: be fancy in theaters.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, well you're not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here, guys, yeah you know what that we

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Speaker 1: just the night that we did Seattle, we fucking decided

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Speaker 1: to wear whatever the fuck we wanted.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start feel that, guy, feel that freedom.

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Speaker 3: Feel it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so relieved I'm never wearing a bra again. Fucking

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Speaker 1: just can't. And I think I'm like past the point

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Speaker 1: of not being able to wear a bran anymore. But

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: How long did that take? You just made it.

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Speaker 1: I came home one day and Vince was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: where were you out and your own people. It's like

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Speaker 1: he's like, I can see through your shirt. Fuck that.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't care, but I just fucking can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I should take it off anyways.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Yeah, you just went down into a hole

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Speaker 2: there by should but I.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't anyone ever thrown their bra into the audience and

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Speaker 1: not the audience throwing their bron to the stage.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I bet they have, Like once.

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Speaker 1: A fourteen dollars target bra Yeah that smells so Karen.

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Speaker 2: I also, you can tell it's the end of the

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Speaker 2: tour because my fingernails look like the ones Catherine Martin

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Speaker 2: saw and Buffalo Bill's.

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Speaker 3: Well can you see them?

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Speaker 2: Good fucking I don't you know what I've been doing,

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Speaker 2: but literally it's like I look like I've been trying

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Speaker 2: to climb my way out of a murderer's basement.

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Speaker 1: That was a great reference. Like I really dig the

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Speaker 1: you just did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I do for a living. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Uh So you texted me when we got to our

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Speaker 1: hotel and you were like, and I was like this

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Speaker 1: hotel and you were like, I think it used to

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Speaker 1: be a hospital. And I thought you were joking. And

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Speaker 1: then I checked into my room and I think it

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Speaker 1: used to be a hospital.

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Speaker 3: He used to be a hospital.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, it smells a little bit like a haunted.

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Speaker 1: Bleach, and like, yeah, there's a in the bathroom. The

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Speaker 1: bathroom door has one of those like what's like the

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Speaker 1: ship windows. Yes, that's round, and I think it's for

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Speaker 1: like to make sure your patient isn't like sneaking drugs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so like the nurse can look in and hello, are you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, don't shift yourself with that soap. It's not allowed.

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Speaker 1: It's very rehabby. It's rehabby.

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Speaker 3: This is it's rehabby.

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Speaker 2: There's also there's kind of a feel to it. I

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Speaker 2: was sitting in there typing as we like to do

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Speaker 2: and then in the hallway a child screamed and I

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Speaker 2: almost I was like, oh my god, the funk because

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Speaker 2: it doesn't there's no carpeting.

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Speaker 1: I heard clonking upstairs and I was like, that'd be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just there's no carpeting.

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Speaker 1: But did you see there's a giant pillow on the

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Speaker 1: bed that says sleep with Me. And I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's my sleep podcast I listened to. So maybe they

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Speaker 1: maybe they're fans of that podcast and insomniacs here, I

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. What what just.

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Speaker 2: The idea that your hotel would be like I think

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Speaker 2: I know what podcast she likes?

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Speaker 3: Sewing a pillow? When did you make that reservation three

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Speaker 3: days ago? Sewing sewing all night?

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Speaker 1: Staying there again? I mean we've been given weirder gifts.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Uh? So this is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 2: You're freaking We're into it now now you like doing

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Speaker 2: light stuff?

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Speaker 3: Okay, good to know.

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Speaker 1: That's so scary, like we can't really see anyone, which

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Speaker 1: is good because it's scary. And it feels like when

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Speaker 1: like when like large Marge makes her face all it's

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Speaker 2: Or no, when he has to like it's just one

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Speaker 2: one lady with a huge face in the middle, it's like, ah.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, I don't I don't want to see that. I

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Speaker 1: want to pretend that this is not real. It's fun,

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Speaker 1: It's totally fun.

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Speaker 3: It's we're in a fight, ladies and gentlemen. We're in

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Speaker 3: a fight.

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Speaker 2: When we were upstairs, there's a record player and I

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Speaker 2: put on the record that was there, which was like

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Speaker 2: a k Tell I think it was called like Emotions

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Speaker 2: or something, and there all these songs from the eighties

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Speaker 2: that were like every song from my junior high dance

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Speaker 2: and so I was kind of getting like an acid stomach,

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Speaker 2: and Georgia was like doing something else, like it seemed

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Speaker 2: of a sudden there was a song on and it

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Speaker 2: was sticks. It was a stick song. I can't remember

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Speaker 2: what it was. And all of a sudden George snaps

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Speaker 1: What is this?

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Speaker 2: She doesn't even have a good voice.

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Speaker 1: It was so bad. She suck made me feel like

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Speaker 1: I was in a grocery store, like a sad grocery store. Yo. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: sticks fans just.

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Speaker 3: A ballad, were a singing leg.

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Speaker 2: These that's all it was in the eighties, that's all

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Speaker 1: No, I don't I don't need that.

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Speaker 3: We wanted more.

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Speaker 1: We had Color Me Bad, just low dance too. No,

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Speaker 1: that's how old I am.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.

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Speaker 2: It's probably up here a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun. Oh this is the other.

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Speaker 2: I didn't start out on the store wearing these shoes

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Speaker 3: Be my first choice. I was like, fuck it, I

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Speaker 3: can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had like huge.

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Speaker 3: Heels for a while.

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Speaker 1: You had heels on? What that man?

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Speaker 2: Poor?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 2: Fuck?

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Speaker 3: What am I doing?

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Speaker 1: No offense? What else? We did a Vancouver show last night,

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Speaker 1: which was I think one Guy's Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: There's a wagon train that came down from Vancouver that.

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Speaker 1: Now I think they're over there. Guess what. So at

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Speaker 1: have some of these like to release and stuff the

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Speaker 1: live shows, and then they were like, that didn't work.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get the recording. So that was an exclusive show.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be maybe tonight, you guys, things will

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they came to us after and they're like,

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Speaker 2: it just didn't record, and we're just like, well, it

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Speaker 2: is a podcast, so so we'll just tell everybody about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so if you get a call, we're gonna be like

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Speaker 2: episode fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Here's basically how it went.

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Speaker 1: It was so good, so I go, best show and

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Speaker 1: then George's like, and then I'm like a Canadian name wrong.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. We were hilarious last night.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, best we've ever been in our It

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Speaker 1: was fucking incredible. We've ever been death jokes everything you like, punts,

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Speaker 1: terrible puns and dons me fine, evens like like you know,

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Speaker 1: talking about Stephen all the time, yelled at Stephen, yelled

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Speaker 1: at Stephen a lot.

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Speaker 3: Did she seem magical?

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Speaker 1: Someone a bunch of people on Instagram. I wrote a

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Speaker 1: thing about like that. It didn't record, and everyone was like, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: you had one jobs like over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even there.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't even there.

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Speaker 2: He was insctantly sitting in Los Angeles rooking his own mustache, and.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm sure he was like, did I do

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Speaker 1: something wrong?

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Speaker 3: I guess you know what I probably did.

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Speaker 1: I probably did.

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Speaker 3: I'm really sorry, sweet little I love Kats. My name

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Speaker 3: is Steven, go bless his soul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great description of him. Yeah. Oh, the

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Speaker 1: reserved are finally mister and missus reserved are finally here.

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Speaker 3: So can we get those real quick? Just real quick.

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Speaker 2: It's my cousin Danny. Come on, Oh my god, Oh

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Speaker 2: come on.

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Speaker 1: Danny, let's sit right here.

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Speaker 3: You think, guys Georgia, you think you're better than us?

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Speaker 1: Hi? God, how are you nice to meet here?

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Speaker 2: This is my cousin Danny Brown. He's the youngest of

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Speaker 2: So there's oh good, So do you want to tell

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Speaker 3: For fifteen minutes? Do you want me to do it

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Speaker 2: So Danny looks like Posey who is the catcher for

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Speaker 2: Then one day he was leaving and some little kids

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Ruined rookie cards.

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Speaker 1: Some guy like in fifty years goes to like he's

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Speaker 3: The economy collapsed. He's like, don't worry about it. You

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Speaker 3: All right, you can go, you know, Danny Brown, Ladies

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Speaker 1: Good job to myself.

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Speaker 2: Now you're fine. You're fine. We'll talk about it at Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that was your cousin, Gott. That was great.

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Speaker 2: It was just a person that I would have yelled

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Speaker 1: You you wear it well?

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Speaker 3: Thanks like this stress like this goddamn dress.

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Speaker 1: Should we talk about murders?

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Speaker 3: Should we talk about some murders? Do you want to

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Speaker 1: And if one guy's like, oh, I didn't know that's

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Speaker 3: Keep talking about your clogs. That's what we really I really.

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Speaker 2: No dance Go presents the clo Do not steal that. No,

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're back the end of the first tour.

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Speaker 2: My God, to announce that that tour was ending when

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Speaker 1: Do you have a sp I don't remember that specifically.

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Speaker 3: And I think we did two shows in one night.

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Speaker 2: Literally basically told us how disappointed they work as they

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Speaker 1: Was that the one okay, because I do I remember

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Speaker 2: That was a real like, oh yeah, good point, Like

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Speaker 2: I didn't ever contemplate anybody buying tickets to both shows.

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Speaker 1: Totally, even if they're not the same night, Like, even

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Speaker 2: We won't repeat any phrases. You won't hear anything you've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he rolled up. I go, what did you do?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I was gonna say what did you say? Because

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Speaker 2: No, no, I don't know that's a person that could

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so, but we don't fucking know, like you

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Speaker 3: Well, you want to just ruin everything you.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to say something. You want to say something new

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Speaker 2: Just it's it's the rule of all of life, which

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Speaker 1: We're doing it now to each other. Yeah, they're like

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, so that means something, something is terribly

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Speaker 3: Is being in the world.

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Speaker 3: Because at the theater, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do wonder that, like should we I mean,

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Speaker 1: No, because you didn't have enough time to cover such

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then we would have gotten heckled for changing.

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Speaker 2: People want to go and see you play the hits.

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Speaker 2: It's like Hotel California or else.

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Speaker 2: And ask people questions, what do you like about Hotel California?

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00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but we did it. And actually

449
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: this episode itself, like these two stories I think are

450
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: just like really I think, close to us and close

451
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: to our hearts. Yeah, it's a good example, and I'm

452
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: glad we're backing, coming back to it.

453
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

454
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: Also, I do remember that hotel like it was yesterday.

455
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: Oh it was because well, first of all, would it

456
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: help you if I told you that the decor was

457
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: as if a college boy wanted to do a tropical

458
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: theme in his bedroom. So there was like yellow paint,

459
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: fake plants, I think, and like the weirdest bathroom. No,

460
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: and it was just around the corner from the theater.

461
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: Okay, I know, I don't. I don't know how you

462
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: remember anything from twenty seventeen trauma.

463
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: It just gets locked in there.

464
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: I just let it go, goodbye, good bye. I don't

465
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: remember yesterday.

466
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: Well do you remember having that seat through shirt on?

467
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: No, but that could be one of many. I really

468
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: poor bras and so sometimes you know that gets me

469
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: into trouble. But yeah, I'm still working it out. I

470
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: still don't know. I still don't have like my bra

471
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: that I love.

472
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still I like the idea that we're like

473
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: on stage talking about like that we're sick of the

474
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: because we wore the same dress that was like our

475
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: show dress for the tour.

476
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: That's right, that's so gross. Do we wear the same

477
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: dress the whole tour or just the weekend.

478
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: I mean I think I did because I was like,

479
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't have time to shop and it's like it

480
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: was that lands End dress with the pockets that.

481
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: I love, but that was just like one, Yeah that

482
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: was great.

483
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: It's comfortable whatever. But I just think it's funny that

484
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: I it was just like, well, here's my tour dress

485
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: that I can machine wash and then bring to the next.

486
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: Great that you cleaned it. I don't think I would have, right,

487
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: sweat is sweat, But you know, I think I don't

488
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: think it's a bad idea. Now that I'm shopping for

489
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: this tour and it's just these like it's just been

490
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: dress after dress. Yeah, one dress. It sounds like a great idea.

491
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: One dress does solve a lot of problems. It's just

492
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: kind of like here, look for us. Here. It's like

493
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: we're the flight attendants that are just like a little kerchiefs.

494
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: One dress to rule them all? Should we get into it?

495
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

496
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Okay?

497
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh. Also, just to be rip to that last show

498
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: that was so good that we'll never have again, the Vancouver.

499
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: Oh Man, which one was that? Did you do the

500
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: feet that kept washing up? And shoes?

501
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: Yep?

502
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I somehow fucking remember.

503
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: That and I think that's the one where I stood

504
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: up and gave a very short book report about Vancouver

505
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: because we kept fucking up cities and Canada stuff and

506
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: provinces so much.

507
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: I was late because I was sick, right, maybe I

508
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: think I was sick. All right?

509
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: Oh, but you know what, there's a very good chance

510
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm blending because we've been a lot of goodites multiple times.

511
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Toronto.

512
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that it could have been Toronto. But

513
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: I also remember Stephen was at one of those, so

514
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: he wasn't there when it was the lost recording, and

515
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: he took a lot of shit for the lost recording and.

516
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: He wasn't there nothing to do with it.

517
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, the moment of my cousin Danny being the

518
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: one that's late at the reserved seats that were bitching about,

519
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't have written that better. Just like,

520
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: let's shit on these people, Danny, what are you doing?

521
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: Okay, now let's.

522
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Get into Georgia's story about the murder of me as

523
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: a pata.

524
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: I think, what do you want to go first? You

525
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: want me to go first?

526
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: Well, I went for his last night.

527
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, then I'm gonna go first.

528
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're off, we're off a little bit.

529
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone someone gave us while they were at the show.

530
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: They gave us a little rock and it says K

531
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: on one side and G on the other, and they

532
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: said you can just flip it whenever you want to

533
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: know who's going to go first. And it was like

534
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: pretty brilliant.

535
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: I thought they could have done that on a quarter.

536
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we have to carry around a big rock.

537
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: So thank you.

538
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty It's like, thanks, yeah, pretty good sized rock.

539
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Okay, this one, okay, this is what I said this

540
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: to my therapist in last week and last week in

541
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: therapy because I'm bad at this. I might cry just want.

542
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: During this murder.

543
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Huh if you do, will you walk up stage and

544
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: like really I mean downstage and really like give it

545
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: to the people, look up to the could we get

546
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: it spot if she starts crying. Oh, I know, I'm

547
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: bugging you, but.

548
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that what that was. Yeah, all right,

549
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: because I saw a document about this, like this is

550
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: probably one of my like really young murders, you know,

551
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: like young is in like early teenage. I know, you know,

552
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: I saw a documentary about it. It fucking ruined me. It

553
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: made me feel so awful. It's always stuck with me,

554
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: partly because for ten years it was a cold case,

555
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: which you know, I'm obsessed with, and so it's one

556
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: of those like big things that have no answers, and

557
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: you always, you know, think about it and imagine what

558
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: could happen, and then when you find out it gets solved,

559
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: it's just so pointless and empty. It doesn't feel better,

560
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: you know. So this is the story of mi as

561
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: A Pata. Yeah, Seattle's fucking yeah, I might cry, Okay.

562
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: So MIAs A Pata is born in August of nineteen

563
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: sixty five. She's raised in Louisville, Kentucky, and she was

564
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: always obsessed with music. She learned to play the guitar

565
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: and piano at nine years old. She would listen to

566
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: punk and jazz and everything in between. She just was

567
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: obsessed with music. And she had a voice like a

568
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: jazz singer. It was like Janna Choplin's voice. It was amazing.

569
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: And then in nineteen eighty four she goes away to

570
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: college in Yellow Springs, Ohio to study liberal arts. And

571
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six she meets three friends and they

572
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: start a band. It's Steve Moriarty Matt dread Dresner, and

573
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: Joe Spleen. They formed the punk band that Gets Yes

574
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah and So Matt, who was a member of the Gets,

575
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: said that I went to many shows where afterwards people

576
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: didn't even know I was on stage because their eyes

577
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: were so transfixed on Mia because she just had this amazing,

578
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: amazing stage presence. He said, she was like a blue

579
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: singer fronting a punk band. And then in nineteen eighty eight,

580
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: they recorded their and self released their unofficial debut album

581
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: called Private Lubes Loves Loves What the fuck? I wish

582
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: this was Champagne and it's not. And then and then

583
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, the band relocates to Seattle. Here

584
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: you are because there's this huge music scene that you

585
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: guys have all heard of all the time, and it's

586
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: just kind of getting big. Yeah. Did you guys know

587
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: that you had a music.

588
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: Did you know that people like music and they came

589
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: here to make it?

590
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Who knew? I thought it was just la uh. So

591
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: Mea gets a job at a local trashy dive bar,

592
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: which I bet is a fucking like classy cocktail bar

593
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: with fourteen dollars drinks at this point, right, local trashy

594
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: dive bar. It was down the street from a mental

595
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: hospital which.

596
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: She loves, which is our hotel.

597
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, it's true. I believe it.

598
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. I'm gonna look it up.

599
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I think you're right. MIA's described as someone who commanded

600
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: respect and interest immediately, and she and the band members

601
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: move into an abandoned house they called the Rat House

602
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: and Capitol Hill district where the band rehearsed and lived,

603
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: and they earned a huge following in the local scene.

604
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: They have met a lot of friends and they kind

605
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: of just like Mesh right into the local punk scene

606
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: in the community. And let's see. So, MIA's described as

607
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: funny and kind. She love meeting new people. She would

608
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: help friends recover from drug addiction. She took in homeless acquaintances,

609
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: and she helped a lot of people through various crisis.

610
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: She was a really open and kind person. Everyone said

611
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: she was really funny and always joking and shy, but

612
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: a really good friend. So during the nineties, Buzz begins

613
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: to surround the Gets and they release a bunch of

614
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: singles on local independent record labels. They're known for their

615
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: like powerful driving music, you know, like punk with these

616
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: amazing lyrical poetic lyrics, lyrical poetic lyrics. And then in

617
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: ninety two they release their official debut album, Frenching the Bully,

618
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: and they their reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle

619
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: scene and they begin to work on their second album

620
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which is titled after MIA's

621
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: chicken tattoo which it represents her childhood nicknamed chicken legs,

622
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: which is adorable. Ninety three, Atlantic Records offers a single

623
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: to the get or offers to sign the gifts, and

624
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: they set up a national tour. And Mia was never

625
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: really into the idea of getting really famous, and she

626
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: all she said she wanted to do is get a

627
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: cabin in the woods, an old jeep, and a shot

628
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: and a sheep dog. To write shotgun that it sound

629
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: like I was going to say, a shot.

630
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: Gun to shoot sheep dogs.

631
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Where everybody has a dream, where you get to you

632
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: get to have whatever you want as your dreams.

633
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Spreading false rumors. I know that's what favorite murder. It's

634
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: not right. No, So just days before the tour is

635
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: about to start, on July seventh, ninety ninety three, Mia

636
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: leaves one of her regular hangs the Comet tavern in

637
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, which we're all going to meet at. Afterwards,

638
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: she's looking for her boyfriend but couldn't find him, and

639
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: then goes to visit a friend named Tracy, and Tracy

640
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: says that that night she was really agitated and distracted,

641
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: and Tracy urged her to stay the night at her house,

642
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: but Mia said she would just take a cab home.

643
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: She wanted to leave. I think she was upset with

644
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: her boyfriend because he wasn't around. And this is the

645
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: last time that Mia Seina alive. She They think she

646
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: walked a few blocks in the direction of her place

647
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: or went a different way, just kind of like to

648
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: wander the city. And either way, an employee at the

649
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Comet remembers her wearing her head sat as she left.

650
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: So it's thought that she was listening to music in

651
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: her walkman, and so wasn't kind of paying attention to

652
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: her surroundings and not listening and didn't hear I mean,

653
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: not much. What a fucking We don't will do anything anyways,

654
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Like if she hears someone, she can you know whatever, okay,

655
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: And then at three point twenty, a sex worker discovers

656
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: MIA's body in the hundred on the one hundred block

657
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: of twenty fourth Avenue South, which is in the Central

658
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: District drisject of Seattle, and it's kind of known as

659
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: a seedy neighborhood at the time. And she's found in

660
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: the street on her back with her arms outstretched and

661
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: her legs straight and crossed, and she had been beaten

662
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: and strangled with the cord of her sweatshirt, which was

663
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: a gits sweatshirt, which is like that. And then I'm

664
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: gonna cry, and she had been raped, although the police

665
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: kept that part out like from the public for years.

666
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. Then, Karen, you.

667
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: Just can't turn that page.

668
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to.

669
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: We just have to stop the show.

670
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So it's thought that she encounters her attacker

671
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: around two point fifteen in the morning, and that she

672
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: had been killed somewhere else and then transported to the

673
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: location where her body is found. And it's about two

674
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: miles from the studio where her body was found where

675
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: she had been, and it's on a dead end street.

676
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: And the cops don't think she had been murdered where

677
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: she was found. They thought that someone brought her to

678
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: the location when after she was dead, and there was

679
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: like there's many theories of what could have happened. She

680
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: told her friends she was taking a cab home, so

681
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: they thought that maybe one of the drivers had picked

682
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: her up that night, and so they looked into all

683
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: of them to see if anyone had picked her up,

684
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and nobody had. And then a man had heard a

685
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: horrifying scream. He said when he was at home near

686
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: the reservoir, which ended up think three miles from where

687
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: she was found, and so I thought maybe she could

688
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: have walked towards the resume that way, which is where

689
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: he heard the scream, and he ran outside. He heard

690
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: this scream and it was so awful that he ran outside.

691
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: The only person that was ever seriously questioned was as

692
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: a suspect was MEA's boyfriend, and they were in the

693
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: process of breaking up, and he was described even by

694
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: his friends as scary. Yeah, but he passes two light

695
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: detector tests and gives hair and blood samples. He shows

696
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: up for every appointment, he's super cooperative, and he has

697
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: a solid alibi, so he's cleared. And then the police

698
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: have no suspects to question. At that point. They didn't

699
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: have a crime scene or witnesses, and so the case

700
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: went cold, and after her murder, Seattle's music community, including

701
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: Nirvana and Joan Jet, helped raise seventy thousand dollars to

702
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: hire a private investigator for three years via benefit concerts.

703
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's pretty fucking rad. So meanwhile, police think

704
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: that Mia had been killed by a random killer. Some

705
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: people think that, and many people in the punk rock

706
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: community thought that she had been killed by someone that

707
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: she knows, and I remember believing that for so long

708
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: when after I had heard about it, and some people

709
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: thought she that whoever killed her hadn't been acting alone

710
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: because she was posed in this christ like pose, that

711
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: someone had carried her feet and someone had carried her

712
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: arms and then left her there. And then also people

713
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: thought it might be a serial killer because of the

714
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: ritualistic pose, and also a cup from her bra was missing,

715
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: so they thought maybe that the serial killer had taken

716
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: it as a souvenir. The private investigator funds end up

717
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: drying up with no major breaks in the case, and

718
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: the investigator. The private investigator lee heron. She just continues

719
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: to investigate on her own because she's obsessed with it,

720
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucking cool. Then, in ninety eight, after

721
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: five years of investigation, Seattle police say that they're no

722
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: closer to solving the case than they were right after

723
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: the murder. And for ten years there's this crazy suspicion

724
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: and accusation and fear throughout this whole Seattle community. Everyone

725
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: is just wondering who this can be, and it's going

726
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: to happen again because there's no there's no rhyme or reason.

727
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: Then ten years later, in two thousand and three, the

728
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Seattle Police tests DNA against the national database, which they

729
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: had tried in two thousand and one and had no results,

730
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: But this time there was a match. A man who

731
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: had recently even forced to submit DNA in the database

732
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: when he was arrested in Florida for burglary and domestic

733
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: abuse in two thousand and two is match to the

734
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: DNA found at the scene, specifically the saliva from the

735
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: bitemarks on MIA's chest, which thank god they fucking collected

736
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: that in m like ninety three. You know, Heyzeus Mezkia,

737
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: he's forty eight, he's from He's a Cuban native who

738
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: lives in Florida, Keys. He didn't know me at all,

739
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: but he lived just three blocks from where her body

740
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: had been found. Meskia is this huge hooking man. I mean,

741
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: if you see video of him, he's a giant, and

742
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: he has a history of violence and sexual assault against women.

743
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: He was a drifter in the nineties and he spent

744
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: time in Seattle where there was a report of a

745
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: decent exposure filed against him, and it had happened near

746
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: the Comet Theater within weeks of when me is when

747
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: he had been killed, but there was no no links

748
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: to the two of them, so it was just a

749
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: random attack, which is fucking crazy. He never testified in

750
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: his own defense and still maintains his fucking innocence. And

751
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: the theory is that he saw her leave the bar

752
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: and followed her before he attacked her and drags her

753
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: into his car assaults her in the back seat. He's

754
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: convicted in two thousand and four and sentenced to thirty

755
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: seven years initially, which doesn't seem like enough, right, and

756
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: he appeals and then he's sentenced to thirty six years instead.

757
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, what the fuck, Like I just don't

758
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: even I am sorry. And he's been in prison since

759
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, is still alive. And this is

760
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: her dad said, you don't realize what forever is. You

761
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: drive your daughter to school, tell your wife have a

762
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: good day, I'll see you later. But you see, you'll

763
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: be together at the end of the day. But then

764
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: something happens, and forever is forever. It doesn't matter what

765
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: you do, how you do it, how I pray, how

766
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: I wish, Nothing on earth is going to bring me back.

767
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: That's that.

768
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: That's awful, it is, I know. I mean, I remember

769
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: seeing that one. I think there's a forensic.

770
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: Files of it because right because I just.

771
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: Remember seeing it, because every forensic files, that old guy narrator,

772
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 2: it was always like these random people and suddenly he's

773
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: talking about like the punk scene in Seattle. Hearing that

774
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: guy talk about it, I don't know it.

775
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: Was it was.

776
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: It was like bone chilling where it's just like, fuck,

777
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: this is really a real thing that happened. It's not

778
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: like something that happens to someone in you know, Idaho.

779
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: It's like something you can't connect with, Like all right,

780
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: I know that's that wasn't a judgment. I'm just trying

781
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: to pick a random state.

782
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: Something we have, not like you know, someone's mom, like

783
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: a mom. I can't identify with that except I have

784
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: a mom, but I'm not one. But yeah, it was

785
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: like they showed footage on the forensic files of like

786
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: the Punk Show, and it was like, oh, I've fucking

787
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: been to those things.

788
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: Well, I fucking walked drunk away from a one thousand bars.

789
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: So it's just that chilling feeling of like fuck.

790
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Alone with headphones in Jesus. Yeah, it's so that's really sad.

791
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: Well, bye, take it away, Karen. Okay, we're back. Do

792
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: we have updates on this case?

793
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: We do. More than thirty years after her death, Mia

794
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: Zapata's art and music continue to make a mark on

795
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: the punk rock scene, influencing both old and new generations

796
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: of fans. Of course, In twenty twenty four, The Gets

797
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: drummer Steve Moriarty published Me as a Pada and the Gets,

798
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: a story of art, rock and revolution. He thought it

799
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: was important to paint a picture of Zapata in a

800
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: way that hadn't been done before, to reclaim the narrative

801
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: about her short but incredible life. Her killer died in

802
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Pierce County, Washington, in a hospital in twenty twenty one.

803
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: The story is so it's so weird, to read that

804
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: thirty years later because I first heard about this story

805
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: when I was like really young, and so to now

806
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: be so much older than she and so she had

807
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: been older than me, and I always like thought of

808
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: her as this like amazing woman to look up to.

809
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: And now reading that I'm so much older than she was, yeah,

810
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and that just is a little like mind boggling to

811
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: me because I always, you know, she just seemed like

812
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: someone who I would have looked up to. So now

813
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: to be so much older than she ever got to

814
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: be is really.

815
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just like she was a baby.

816
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: Yes, it's devastating. Yeah, all right, well let's keep going

817
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: and get into your story. I fucking remember when you

818
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: said it and they lost their fucking mind so crazy.

819
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: This is Karen's story about Ted Bundy. And I really

820
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: set you up for failure, didn't I.

821
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: Nope. You want to know why?

822
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Why?

823
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: Because I'm doing Ted Bundy.

824
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean.

825
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: Right, like, that's come on, this is it. This is

826
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: how we.

827
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: Do it, fucking dropping it and picking it back on,

828
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: fucking and like what is this?

829
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: Here's something meaning full? Now, here's a super monster. Here's

830
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: your hometown super monster. Congratulations to go.

831
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry on this one.

832
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: No, no, no, uh, but I am glad you did that.

833
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: I think that that means a lot. Nice.

834
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a nice little this is a nice pairing.

835
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: What are we talking about? What is this?

836
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: This isn't a fucking cheese and charcooterie place?

837
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: Did Here's a funny thing? When I was looking up

838
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: this stuff? Uh? Someone he on one page they said

839
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy, sometimes known as the co Ed Killer, sometimes

840
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: known as the Angel of Decay.

841
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: What that sounds like a dentist, like.

842
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: A golf dentist. Yeah.

843
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if there's a dentist serial killer, then that's

844
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: what that is.

845
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: I mean, they're already so horrible.

846
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: I mean I've never heard Ted Bundy called the Angel

847
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: of Decay.

848
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: This never happens.

849
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: I feel like that was like a weird u ur

850
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: L link and they just went to someone someone's weird

851
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: poetry page.

852
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's not don't click on that.

853
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: But as probably many of you have already.

854
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: Know and have already read, one of my favorite crime

855
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 2: writers is Anne Rule and write. She's just like she's

856
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: the fucking Stephen King of true crime. It's crazy. She

857
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: churned it out for years and years. God bless her

858
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: soul and her story. I wish if this, if I

859
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: had all the time in the world and I could

860
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: really fucking here's what.

861
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: I would do.

862
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: Let's I would now clear the stage. I would put

863
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: on an Ann Rule costume, and I would do a

864
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: one woman show called The Stranger Beside Me.

865
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fucking say in the audience and yell.

866
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: It would be like fuck you.

867
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I'd be yes as real loud.

868
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: That would because her story.

869
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: So if you don't know, Anne Rule was a crime

870
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: writer who in the seventies had been a cop and

871
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: had become like a crime beat reporter, among other things.

872
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: I think she still worked in the police department also

873
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: in some other ways, but she also volunteered at a

874
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: suicide prevention hotline and that is where she met the

875
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: amazing mister Ted Bundy. She worked side by side with

876
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: him on the night shift at a suicide hotline, and

877
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: she he was a close friend, and.

878
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: She used to like to say if she was ten years.

879
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Younger or her daughters were fifteen years older, she thought

880
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: he was the perfect man.

881
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: This is why you never let your mom set you

882
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: up with any your mom. Yeah, next time she tries

883
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: say guess.

884
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: What, Mom, Yeah, don't pull that Anne ruleshit on me.

885
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: Mom, Eric from your office could be a serial killer.

886
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: Also, I just love this is my favorite kind. My

887
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: favorite kind is the ones who like wear like fair

888
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: Isle sweaters and like, hey, I'd love to treat you

889
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: to a bottle of shabilee or where you're like, I

890
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: never saw it coming.

891
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm never and that he.

892
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: Is so that way that even this woman who like

893
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: herself had studied psychology, was had been a cop all

894
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: these things, did not see it, didn't see it. Over

895
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: and over again, even when the like the evidence was

896
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: piling up in front.

897
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: Of her face, she'd still be like, it can't be him.

898
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: It's that's crazy. It isn't him.

899
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: I just can't of that. I mean, I guess today

900
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: is different these days, but fucking fuck.

901
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: But I think it's also you know, it's also a

902
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: tribute to his insane, like you know, whatever where he was.

903
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: I like to say, my favorite one to say is psychopath,

904
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: but who really knows what that means? Not me get offended,

905
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: Some get offended, some just want me to be accurate.

906
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: I think he was a sexual, sadist psychopath.

907
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: I think so. I think he enjoyed. He really got

908
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: off to on manipula like that was part of his enjoyment,

909
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: is just living in playing.

910
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: And manipulating people. And he he was really quite something.

911
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about to do it so.

912
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: Uh So his mother, Louise Cowell, uh this is how

913
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: he started life. His mother got pregnant out of wedlock,

914
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: so he was raised to believe that his grandparents were

915
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: his parents and his mother was his sister. That's fine,

916
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: it's fine.

917
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: George Clooney. It didn't turn him into a serial killer,

918
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: is it? George Glinning knows it? Who is it? He

919
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: was fucking naming people rumors I'm spreading.

920
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: It did not affect Brad Pitt one bit.

921
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: What's the problem with someone? I swear someone's yelling some

922
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: famous person? Yes, someone tell me.

923
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: Bobby Flay, Oh.

924
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: George Kloony, someone else? Jack Nick? Thank you? Yes, Jerrells?

925
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: Is that right?

926
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 2: Yes?

927
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Are you just picking one?

928
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Swear to god? That's when I met Okay, same fucking thing,

929
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: those two. He did fine with this exactly. It's a psychopath.

930
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Although the shining all right. There were also rumors that

931
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: his grandfather, who was he was raised to believe was

932
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: his father was actually his father, but that's just gossip.

933
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: Stop gossiping about all, by God.

934
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: So he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School in Tacoma

935
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty five.

936
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: Whil Is.

937
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: He won a scholarship to the University of Huget Sound.

938
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington.

939
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this audience.

940
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: So they loved school, how about?

941
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: And then they didn't go to college.

942
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: Wow? Then they went for a year and a half,

943
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: stopped going to class, then just thought.

944
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: They could hide the report card, and then just signed

945
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: up for class so they could get their mom's health insurance. Yeah, alright, sorry,

946
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: I've interrupted you.

947
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

948
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: After two semesters he transferred to the University of Washington,

949
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: and there he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is a pseudonym.

950
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know that for a long time. Makes me

951
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: really mad. Always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks. That's

952
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: a pseudonym. Stephanie was a beautiful girl from a wealthy

953
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: California family.

954
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 3: They dated for a year.

955
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: Ted is way more into her than she is into him,

956
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: and eventually she graduates.

957
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: She moves back home to her.

958
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: Parents' house in California, and she breaks up with him,

959
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: and she tells him upon breaking up with him that

960
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: he's immature and he lacks ambition, and I'm sure that

961
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: that went overwhell with Ted. He's like, thank you, Stephanie,

962
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate your candor and I'll take it into consideration.

963
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: So then in nineteen sixty nine, right after that happens,

964
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: he decides he's going to go back to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont,

965
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: visit his family.

966
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: That's where he finds out he's illegitimate.

967
00:50:50,560 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: Oh but anyway, here's some maple syrup. So he comes

968
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: on back to Seattle. He comes back from that trip,

969
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: really knuckles down and becomes a big Republican.

970
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: Why is that the weirdest That's like the weirdest twist

971
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: for me? Yeah, not that.

972
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: Oh isn't that a fun twist?

973
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: Huh?

974
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: He was like, I know what's going to impress Stephanie.

975
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into politics. I watch this, watch me

976
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: wear a red and white striped tie. Stephanie, goddamn it.

977
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: So he runs the Seattle campaign office for Nelson Rockefeller's

978
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: presidential run.

979
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 3: Who I know.

980
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: He did a great job, So then he returned to

981
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: the University of Washington. He becomes a psychology major and

982
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: an honor student, and he meets a woman named Liz Kendall,

983
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: who then becomes his girlfriend. He graduates from UW in

984
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two with a dream psychology and that summer

985
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: he goes on a business trip to California and he

986
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: meets up with Stephanie Brooks just to say, Hi, Hey,

987
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: what's going on? I just want to check in and

988
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: see how you are.

989
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: Catch up? What have you been up to down here?

990
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: What this time?

991
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: Oh? I wrote this time as a motivated Republican psychology

992
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: grad student with some amazing sweaters. So they get they

993
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: actually get back together. He gets back together with her

994
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: and they date for a year.

995
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: His poor girl, real girlfriend at home is like he said,

996
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: he was just gonna have fucking Margarita's with her.

997
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: Neither of them knew about each other.

998
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he gets back together with Stephanie Brooks, dates

999
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: her very seriously for a year, is very romantic, is

1000
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: very lovely.

1001
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: At the end of the year, he proposes marriage.

1002
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: She says yes, and two weeks later he breaks up

1003
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: with her and will.

1004
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: Not return her calls, whoa so what did he?

1005
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: That was a he fucking vengeance dated proposed to her.

1006
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: If he wasn't Ted Bundy, I'd be like, fuck, yeah

1007
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: you did.

1008
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: But no.

1009
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: It really shines a light on that behavior, doesn't it.

1010
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: It's very very destructive behavior, ambitious, true behavior.

1011
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I do. I do like it though about at I mean.

1012
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: Let's I can think of like four different people. It's

1013
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: been amazing to do that too. You make them refall

1014
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: in love with you, and you're like, later days, oh

1015
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: fuck yourself, Peace out to you and your family.

1016
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Remember when I was wearing the salfit, remember the.

1017
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: Health Yeah, uh okay, so then uh, Stephanie's devastated.

1018
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 3: This is what I wrote and it's tasteless.

1019
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: Stephanie's devastated and as she weeps, her long brunette hair

1020
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: covers her face evenly on both sides. That's right, because

1021
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: it's part of down the middle.

1022
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: Remember that. Remember that for later? Is that where it's start.

1023
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm not right, forgot.

1024
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: Freeze that make it just paint a picture in your mind.

1025
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 3: You're gonna want to look back at it later.

1026
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Post it posted it post because.

1027
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: Almost immediately after all of those events Ted's murderous rampage begins,

1028
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: And when I say murderous rampage, I'm talking about like

1029
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: five pages of eleven point font rampage shit.

1030
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: So let's blaze through this.

1031
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: Get comfy everyone.

1032
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: Shortly after midnight on January fifth, nineteen seventy four, Ted

1033
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: Bundy breaks into the basement apartment of eighteen year old

1034
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: Joni Lenz, also a pseudonym, and bludgeons her with a

1035
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: metal rod from her own bedframe, sexually assaults her with

1036
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: a speculum, and leaves her for dead. She is found

1037
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 2: by her roommates the next day in a pool of

1038
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: blood in a coma, and she survives, but has permanent

1039
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: brain damage. One month later, Ted Bundy breaks into the

1040
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: room of UWS two and his cousin's roommate, Linda Ann Heally.

1041
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: He knocks her unconscious, dresses her and jeans and a

1042
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: T shirt, wraps her in a sheet, and carries her away.

1043
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: That's on February first.

1044
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: Now female co eds start disappearing at the rate of

1045
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 2: one a month. They're all young and slender, with long

1046
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: brown hair parted down the middle. In March, Donna Gail manson.

1047
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: What'd you say?

1048
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: I remember that now, yeah.

1049
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: You remember from it was like only three paragraphs I remember.

1050
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: In March, Donna Gail Manson, a nineteen year old student

1051
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: at Evergreen College in Olympia, is kidnapped and murdered.

1052
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: Don't be fucking sharing.

1053
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: That's it's a wonderful arts college actually, where you get

1054
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: to give yourself your own grades. It's like fucking a

1055
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: lot of this and a lot of this and then yes, mom,

1056
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: yes no, I am learning a ton. Thank you, thanks

1057
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: for the health insurance for calling during my acid trip anyhow.

1058
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: In April, Susan Rancourt disappears from the campus of Central

1059
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Washington State College in Ellensburg.

1060
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: The same night, right.

1061
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: The same night, another female student reports being approached by

1062
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: a man in a cast asking for help carrying a

1063
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: stack of books to his Volkswagen Beetle.

1064
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: Here we go, right.

1065
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: Two other co eds tell the same story from three

1066
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: nights earlier. In May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon State

1067
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: campus in Corvallis.

1068
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: It's really weird. I feel like you should be omitting

1069
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: the college names.

1070
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: Poor Oregon State. They're just like we've got to represent.

1071
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: And they know what's coming. It was like four sad

1072
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: people up there. We love the middle of Oregon too.

1073
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: On June first, Brenda Ball leaves the Flame tavern in

1074
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 2: Burian and is never seen again.

1075
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: Berri in Berrian.

1076
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: Borian hoogars, I mean, seriously, seriously the.

1077
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: Fact that you knew the geography of where the middle

1078
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: of Oregon was. I was impressed so fine by Leyen.

1079
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June eleventh,

1080
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: UW student Georgie Anne Hawkins is last seen leaving her

1081
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: boyfriend's dorm to take the short walk back down the

1082
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: alley to her sorority house. They say it was fifty

1083
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: yards from his door to her door, but she never arrives.

1084
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Witnesses tell the police they see a man in a

1085
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: leg cast struggling to carry.

1086
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: A briefcase the night before.

1087
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: One student reports the man asked her to help him

1088
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: carry the briefcase back to his Volkswagen Beetle. No, if

1089
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: a man ever asks you to help him carry a briefcase.

1090
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: We've talked about this. Women and children. If men ask

1091
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: you for directions, children, no, no, they don't.

1092
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 3: Want Adults don't need your help.

1093
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: Children and men who can't carry their own suitcases don't

1094
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: get to have I mean briefcases.

1095
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: Don't get to have briefcases. Yep, it's just part of it.

1096
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: It's a good rule.

1097
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: If you've injured your arm, then you don't get to

1098
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: carry a briefcase. Sorry, important businessman, put a backpack on.

1099
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 3: Take a break.

1100
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: This brings us to July seventeenth, nineteen seventy four. This

1101
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: is the part where when I was reading a stranger

1102
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: beside me this, I couldn't stop reading this chapter over

1103
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: and over because it's so fucking fucked up. So Lake's

1104
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 2: Sammimish smamish. I mean, they should spell it phonetically on

1105
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: Wikipedia if they want podcasters to announce it correctly. Lake

1106
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: Samamish State Park in Issaqua.

1107
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: You guys are you're fucking easily impressed?

1108
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, fucking I what a job we have?

1109
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous.

1110
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: This is like like reverse kindergarten.

1111
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: Basically, this is like a spelling beast, but like you

1112
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: just can't loose. Everyone wins, everyone gets a ribbons.

1113
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: That's right, I'm into it finally, Okay, So at Lake,

1114
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: Well shit, I forgot already Samamish.

1115
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: Smamish.

1116
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: Uh. It's a beautiful holiday weekend. Uh, And tons of

1117
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: people are there. You know, when it's sunny up here,

1118
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: you guys go batshit. It's like, all this sudden, everybody's

1119
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: wearing the smallest suit they can find, like fucking standing

1120
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: around at a.

1121
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: Man made lake. So this there's actually pictures online. You

1122
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: can look this up. It's so packed on this day,

1123
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: there's like there's just people standing like shoulder to shoulder.

1124
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

1125
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: And that day, two women, Janis At and Denise Naslin,

1126
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: both disappear without a trace in the middle.

1127
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: Of the day.

1128
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: So eight witnesses tell police they saw a handsome young

1129
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: man named Ted he's used he doesn't use a pseudonym,

1130
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: with his arm in a sling and he and five

1131
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: of them are women who he asked for help unloading

1132
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: his sailboat from his Volkswagen. So one woman actually went

1133
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: with him and as she's walking up to the volkswagen,

1134
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: she's like, they're in a sailboat?

1135
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: Are here? And she was all by good for her.

1136
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: Three witnesses said that they saw Janie Ot speaking to

1137
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: that same man and they saw her leave with him.

1138
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: And then four hours later Naslin disappears.

1139
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: Wow, he came back.

1140
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: He fucking killed Janice Aunt up in like the hills

1141
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: about a mile away.

1142
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and.

1143
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: Then came back to get another woman. He's in a

1144
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: full on, fucking psychotic frenzy.

1145
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. But meanwhile, all like he's they said.

1146
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: The witnesses describe him as having kind of a clipped,

1147
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: slightly British.

1148
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: Accent, so came out. He's like fucking He's.

1149
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: Like a werewolf rampaging. And then he like wipes it

1150
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: all off and turns around.

1151
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 3: He's like, hello, do you mind, I've got I say

1152
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: a boat over here. Okay, I can't get it off

1153
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: my go on. I was a theater manger.

1154
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

1155
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: So the police distribute flyers. Also, there's a there's two

1156
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: comparative pictures next weekend at that lake.

1157
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: Nobody's there. Nobody's there.

1158
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Theikini's away.

1159
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1160
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: So the police distribute flyers. They hold a press conference

1161
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: describing the man witnessed. Ted Bundy's girlfriend, his psychology professor,

1162
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: and his suicide prevention coworker and crime writer and rule.

1163
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: All call the police and give his name, no yes

1164
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: and an roll.

1165
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: In the book, she talks about it where she calls

1166
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: and says this is crazy and I mean, it's probably

1167
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: not him. But the thing is that he does have

1168
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: a gold Volkswagon, his name is Ted, and and he

1169
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: has no sailboat. It can't be denied his total lack

1170
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: of voting. Uh oh okay, so oh, because they also

1171
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: gave his physical description. So basically, it's just staring all

1172
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: of them in the face and they're like, I do

1173
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean, could it?

1174
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: They no?

1175
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: But it also must be really weird because she talks

1176
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: about in the book that he was so empathetic and

1177
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: he would talk to people. He would talk people off

1178
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: killing themselves four hours. He would stay on the phone.

1179
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: He was so empathetic, like he had the most amazing

1180
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: mask that he would wear. He was living the ultimate

1181
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: double life. It's fucking nuts.

1182
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

1183
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: So Ted Bundy killed both of those women within hours

1184
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: of each other, and both of those murders were so

1185
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,479
Speaker 2: brutal that when their skeletal remains were found a mile

1186
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: from that lake, there were only bone fragments left and

1187
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: up there with them. When they found those skeletal remains,

1188
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: they also found the remains of George Anne Hawkins, and

1189
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: then just east of there on Taylor Mountain in nineteen

1190
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: seventy five, the partial skeletal remains of the rest of

1191
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: the missing women were found to Heale, Susan Rancourt, Kathy Parks,

1192
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: and Brenda Ball, and Bundy claimed that Donna Manson was

1193
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: also buried there, but no remains of her have ever

1194
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: been found. So he basically had these two dumping grounds

1195
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: and he used to go visit them. I don't know

1196
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: how he fucking found the time, but it was like

1197
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: among all the other bullshit that he was doing. Then

1198
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: he would drive up into the mountains and then just

1199
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: sit there with his victims' bodies. All right.

1200
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: Then he decides to go to law school.

1201
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god, Cail, he's gonna teach that ex

1202
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: girlfriend a thing or two. So he moves to Salt

1203
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: Lake City. Really, that can't that was not sincere. All right,

1204
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: I'll try to go through these fasts because this it's

1205
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: just so much.

1206
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: I'll tromp her.

1207
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: Second, Nancy will Cox, disappears from Halliday, Utah. She was

1208
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: last seen writing in a Volkswagen A little over two

1209
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: weeks later, seventeen year old Melissa Smith is abducted, raped, sodomized,

1210
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: and strangled in Midvale, and her body is found nine

1211
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: days later she's the daughter of the police chief. Then

1212
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: seventeen year old Laura Lara Amy disappears after leaving a

1213
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: Halloween party in Lehigh, and a month later hikers find

1214
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: her naked, beaten, strangled body on the banks of a

1215
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: river in American Fork Canyon. On November eighth, Carol de

1216
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: Ranch is leaving Fashion Place Mall in Murray when an

1217
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 2: officer Roseland approaches her to tell her that her her

1218
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: car has been broken into and that she needs to

1219
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: come with him to file a report.

1220
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: So she goes to the car.

1221
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: She sees nothing's missing, but he tells her She asks

1222
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: her to come to the station anyway.

1223
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, and then they get into his Volkswagon.

1224
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't have a police car.

1225
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: The car that cops drive all the time, gold Volkswagons.

1226
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: Man Fun.

1227
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: On the way, he suddenly pulls over really fast and

1228
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: tries to throw handcuffs on her, but in the frenzy

1229
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: and she starts fighting him off. He puts both handcuffs

1230
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: on one wrist, and then as he does that, he

1231
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: picks up a crowbar whoa and tries to hit her

1232
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: over the head with it, but she catches it. Mid

1233
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: air because her other arm is free. Then she opens

1234
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: the car door and rolls out onto the highway and

1235
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: escapes from fucking Ted Bundy.

1236
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 3: Yes, Carol got a girl.

1237
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: Fuck yes, Carol, I mean yeah, all right, okay, yes,

1238
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: all right. I just was gonna say it probably ruined

1239
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: going to the mall for a long time.

1240
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: All right.

1241
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: That night, at Beaumont High School in Bountiful, the drama

1242
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: club is putting on a play.

1243
01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: This this ties back.

1244
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: I just wanted to talk about theater arts for a second.

1245
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: So both teachers and students report seeing a man who

1246
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: approaches them to tell them that their cars have been

1247
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: broken into. Some say they see him lurking in the

1248
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: back of the auditorium where the play is being held,

1249
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: and Debbie Kent, a seventeen year old high school student,

1250
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: leaves the play at intermission to go pick up her

1251
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: brother and is never seen again. Later, the investigators find

1252
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: a small key in that parking lot that fits the

1253
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: pair of handcuffs that were taken off Carol Derom.

1254
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1255
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So now I've interjected a story I found on Reddit.

1256
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: Maybe a bad idea, but it possibly could be true,

1257
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: maybe thirty percent. So this story is a guy that

1258
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: says his friend's parents met in their teens. At the

1259
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: end of their first date, his friend's dad suggested that

1260
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: they go for a midnight hike up in Provo Canyon.

1261
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: He apparently knew the place since he had done a

1262
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: fair amount of rock climbing in the area, So the

1263
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: two drove up to the mouth of the canyon started

1264
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: hiking under the light of the stars since it was

1265
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: a new moon.

1266
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping to get late. At that point. Nobody

1267
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: fucking hikes a name.

1268
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: I know, but they can't.

1269
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: It's their son, so they can't have to tell him

1270
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: a different story. Oh yeah, like the son we loved

1271
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: hiking in the seventies. Oh, we'd hike and hike alle night.

1272
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: Right.

1273
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: At some point, the dad starts getting a bad feeling

1274
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: since the pathway ahead, which was going to pass under

1275
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: some trees, was going to be very dark, so he

1276
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 2: ignores the feeling and presses on Gott to ignore those feelings.

1277
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: He gog to In later retelling of the story, his

1278
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: mom would say that she felt the same bad feeling,

1279
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: but that she didn't know the trail like he did,

1280
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: so she just trusted that he knew what he was doing.

1281
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: A minute later, the dad felt that feeling even stronger,

1282
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: ignored it again. They walked a bit of the way

1283
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: into the trees when his foot hit something soft in

1284
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: the middle of the path under the trees. Though it

1285
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: was too dark to see just what this soft thing was.

1286
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 2: The feeling came back stronger than ever, and instead of

1287
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: finding out what his foot hit, no, they both agreed

1288
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: to run away.

1289
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: No.

1290
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: Years later, after being married for some time, congratulations to them.

1291
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: They were watching an interview with the serial killer Ted Bundy.

1292
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: In response to a question asking him to describe the

1293
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: time he felt closest to being caught. He explained about

1294
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: the night that he lured a girl into Provo Canyon,

1295
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: had just killed her when he heard some people coming

1296
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: up the trail, and that he hid in the trees

1297
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: only to watch some guy walk right into the body

1298
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 2: and for some reason just turn around and walk away. Wow.

1299
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: Man, And this is why you always rang a flashlight

1300
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: when you're fucking hiking at night.

1301
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, yes, no, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.

1302
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: Also, somebody could have just watched interviews of Ted Bundy

1303
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: retro engineered that entire story and be lying on Reddit.

1304
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: We don't know, we don't know.

1305
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: There's just no way to tell.

1306
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 3: There's no way to tell.

1307
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So now Ted ventures into Colorado. He's taken it

1308
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: to a different state. So Karen Campbell disappears from the

1309
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 2: Wildwood Inn and Snowmass, where she was vacationing with her

1310
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: fiance and children. She disappeared between the elevators and the

1311
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 2: front room of her door, a span.

1312
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: Of fifty feet.

1313
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: Veilski instructor Julie Cunningham disappears in March of nineteen seventy five,

1314
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: Denise Ulverson in April, and Grand Junction in May. Lynette

1315
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,879
Speaker 2: Culver disappears in Idaho from the grounds of her junior

1316
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: high school. In June, Susan Curtis disappears in Utah. None

1317
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: of these bodies have ever been found. Back in Washington,

1318
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy's name had made it onto four different suspect

1319
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: lists for four different reasons, and he was finally in

1320
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: the top twenty five list of people to be investigated

1321
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: when a call came in from Utah. Sorry, I just

1322
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: started thinking of other stuff. What am I gonna do tomorrow? Okay,

1323
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 2: So here's what happened. Back in Utah Tad had failed

1324
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: to stop for routine traffic violation.

1325
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: And those routine traffic violations will always.

1326
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 2: They will get you, I think from what I remember

1327
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 2: in the book, but I'm not positive. He was driving

1328
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 2: by a house. He was basically casing a house, and

1329
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: a cop was like, what are you doing? Yeah, And

1330
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: then when he went to pull him over, he wouldn't

1331
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: pull over, and so he finally he got him, like

1332
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: got him out of the car. And then when he

1333
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,440
Speaker 2: searched his car, he found a crowbar, a ski mask, handcuffs,

1334
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 2: trash bags, and an ice pick.

1335
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: You know, car stuff. So detected.

1336
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: Garry Thompson connected the Volkswagen to Carol Deranch's kidnapping case,

1337
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 2: and they get a warrant to search Ted's apartment, where

1338
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: they find a brochure for the Wild Wooden And when

1339
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 2: they put him in a lineup, Carol Deranch comes in

1340
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: and as well as several of the Bountiful High School

1341
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: play witnesses, and they all pick him out as Officer

1342
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: roseland whoa, So this is his first conviction.

1343
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 3: I know only four more hours I was typing this.

1344
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I bail before he ever goes to jail.

1345
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just like.

1346
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: There's no you have to tell the whole thing. So basically,

1347
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: here's what happens. He's tried and convicted of the kidnapping case.

1348
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: He's sentenced to fifteen years and they when they were

1349
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: taking him to trial during the recesses is the officers

1350
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: he was so charming and chatty and cool and chill

1351
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: that the officers started letting him use the law library

1352
01:12:55,400 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: during the recesses of his own trial, you know, to

1353
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: be cool. So on June seventh, one day, while he's

1354
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: in the Lawberardy library, he sees his chance and he

1355
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: jumps out a second story window. Right when he lands,

1356
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: he breaks his ankle, and then he runs for it

1357
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: and he escapes into the mountains and he survives for

1358
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 2: six days. He had found He walked until he found

1359
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: a cabin.

1360
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: He rested for a little while.

1361
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: At one point an armed citizen who was up there

1362
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: specifically to search for escapee Ted Bundy, comes upon him,

1363
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: and Ted talks his.

1364
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 3: Way out of it and just continues on his way.

1365
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: He was a slick, slightly British accented motherfucker. This guy.

1366
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 3: That's that's yes, he must have had great like eyes.

1367
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 3: Or something.

1368
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: What was it about ted hairline?

1369
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a strong fucking hairline.

1370
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 1: Jesus, what the shit?

1371
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: Kind of like came down a little bit of a

1372
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: v but not like a vampire vie.

1373
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, framed his face, just framed it up night.

1374
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, some curls.

1375
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: Nice seventies. Uh, sideburns.

1376
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nice thick sideburn hair. But not threatening.

1377
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, I'm like not unkempt. No, no,

1378
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: all right, you could.

1379
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: He brushed his hair five hundred times every morning. Okay,

1380
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: He's finally recaptured, brought back to jail. Immediately starts working

1381
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: on a new escape plan. He cuts a hole in

1382
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: the ceiling into the crawl space and then starts dieting.

1383
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 3: He loses weight, loses weight, loses weight till finally.

1384
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 2: He oh. He finds out that they're going to move

1385
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: the venue of his next of the trial. So he

1386
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: right now he is in the I think he's an

1387
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: evergreen jail and it's super old fashioned, and so he's like,

1388
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: I gotta do it now.

1389
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 3: I can't wait anymore.

1390
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 2: So he crawls up into this crawl space, crawls across

1391
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: and basically goes into right above the jailer's apartment, which

1392
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: is part another part of the jail, but it's like

1393
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: where the people work, where they actually lived in the jail.

1394
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: He drops down into the jailer's linen closet, and luckily

1395
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: the jailer and his wife were at the movies that night,

1396
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: so he just puts on some of that guy's clothes

1397
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: and fucking walks out the front door. He hitchhikes to Vail,

1398
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: then he takes a bus to Denver, then he takes

1399
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: a plant to Chicago. He eventually ends up in Tallahassee, Florida.

1400
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 2: And this is the big fucking hideous finale that's so insane.

1401
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: At three am on Sunday, January fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight,

1402
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy crept into the unlocked back door of the

1403
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: Kyomega sorority house at Florida State University, Yeah right, and

1404
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: he bludgeoned and strangled four sorority girls, each roommates. So

1405
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: he went into the first room and killed Lisa Levy

1406
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 2: and Margaret Bowman. He beat Margaret to death, and then

1407
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 2: he'd restrained Lisa beat Margaret to death. Then Big began

1408
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: to beat Lisa to death and brutally raped her and

1409
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: then murdered her. Then undetected, he snuck down the hallway

1410
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: and did the same thing in the next room two roommates,

1411
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner.

1412
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 3: And then he just walked out of the house.

1413
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then then he walked down the street. Everyone in

1414
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 2: the autes is like, I don't like true crime anymore.

1415
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: Then he walked down the street, he broke into a

1416
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: house and he did the same thing to a girl

1417
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 2: named Cheryl Thomas.

1418
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 3: Except she survived. Yeah.

1419
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: He he basically had already killed four women that night,

1420
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 2: and so he was getting a little tired and she

1421
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 2: was fighting him, and then and then people came up

1422
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: from downstairs because they heard so much banging and he's

1423
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 2: basically like beating her with a big piece of wood,

1424
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,959
Speaker 2: and they and he ran out, So she ended up surviving.

1425
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: Then on February ninth, so like a month later, he

1426
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 2: basically hides up in his weird apartment and he's basically

1427
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: super crazy and like at the end, and he probably

1428
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: knew he was at the end. On February ninth, in

1429
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: Lake City, he abducted and raped a twelve year old

1430
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 2: girl named Kimberly Leech. And then he stole another Volkswagen

1431
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: to drive across the state. But in Pensacola, an officer

1432
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: noticed the stolen plates and pulled him over and he

1433
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: got out of the car and then immediate started fighting

1434
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: with the cop and the cop gets him down, cuffs him,

1435
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 2: gets him in the car, and Ted Bundy says to

1436
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 2: the cop, I wish you killed me.

1437
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh right. So he's charged for the Tallahassee and Lake

1438
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 3: City murders.

1439
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: He stands trial in Miami for the Coyomega murders, and

1440
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: there was a Kyomega member named Nita Neary who saw

1441
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: him leave and went to court and identified him. And

1442
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: that testimony, as well as the bite marks that he

1443
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: left on his victims, were the evidence that basically convicted him.

1444
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: Now everyone's heard of this, but like of course, Ted Bundy,

1445
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: being the asshole that he is, decided he was going

1446
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: to represent himself in a couple of these cases. So

1447
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: in the Kimberly Leech case, he decided he would be

1448
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 2: the lawyer, and at one point he called former coworker

1449
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: Carol Boon to the stand and then in the middle

1450
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 2: of the court case he proposed marriage to Carol Boone.

1451
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: She said yes, everybody. She said yes, oh yeah, they

1452
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: actually had a conjugal visit. And he has a daughter

1453
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: that's not know. The good news is he was convicted

1454
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: on all counts and he was sentenced to death and

1455
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: on January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty nine, Ted Bundy

1456
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: was executed.

1457
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: In the electric chair in Florida.

1458
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had confessed to thirty murders, but it is

1459
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: estimated that there's a chance that he is responsible for

1460
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: the death of over one hundred women. WHOA, it's fucking

1461
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: crazy and fuck, here's a slight upturn.

1462
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 3: Not great, but whatever.

1463
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: First of all, Ted Bundy claimed that porn is the

1464
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 2: reason that he became a serial killer. I'm just saying,

1465
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: watch yourselves, we know what you're up to. Everybody's so

1466
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: cavalier about porn these days. Well it made Ted Bundy.

1467
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: But from death Row, when they were looking for the

1468
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: Green River killer, Ted Bundy contacted uh, Detective Dave Reikert.

1469
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: This is some local shit. Huh yeah, we hate Dave

1470
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: riker too. We're arrested right outside the theater.

1471
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: It was a setup. They hated him first.

1472
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: Anyhow however you feel about him, Ted Bund And he

1473
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: called him and said, I can help you catch the

1474
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 2: Green River Killer because I know how these motherfuckers think.

1475
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 3: And then he did what clearly there's a problem with that.

1476
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1477
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I bet it has

1478
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: to do with the Green River Killer. Oh says my mom.

1479
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: So's everybody's mill hate her. So now we move into

1480
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 3: the Trump portion of the show.

1481
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: Wrong.

1482
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh you, well, we'll cap it off with this. Anne

1483
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: Rule had the best quote. She said, people like Ted

1484
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: can fool you completely. I had been a cop, I

1485
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: had all that psychology, but his mask was perfect. I

1486
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: say that long acquaintance can help you. I say that

1487
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 2: long acquaintance can help you know someone, but you can

1488
01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: never really be shure.

1489
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's Ted Bunny, that's your guy.

1490
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: Amazing. Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates about

1491
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy?

1492
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are, there are some not really about him,

1493
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: but survivors Kathy Kleiner Rubin, Karen Chandler, Cheryl Thomas, and

1494
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: Carol Durrant have taken control of their narrative as survivors

1495
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: by telling not only their own story, but also by

1496
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: putting a spotlight on the women and girls who Ted

1497
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 2: Bundy killed. They can be seen in various documentaries like

1498
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 2: Netflix's Conversations with a Killer that Ted Bundy tapes, and

1499
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: Kathy Kleiner actually went on to write a book called

1500
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: A Light in the Dark Surviving More than Ted Bundy Wow,

1501
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: And that book is her way of helping end the

1502
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 2: glamorized portrayal of in the media, which is a very

1503
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: nineties eighties nineties thing when that trend of like John

1504
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: wayn Acy Ted Bundy as almost like anti heroes came

1505
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: up so gross, very gross, and also just a really

1506
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: important like the idea that these women got the chance

1507
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: to counter all of that, right, like the time finally

1508
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: came that they got.

1509
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 3: Their spotlight is great.

1510
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: Also, there are still victims who are yet to be

1511
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: identified because Ted Bundy's heinous crimes there were so many.

1512
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: He was all over the place, and there's cold cases

1513
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: out there that they think Ted Bundy could be responsible for.

1514
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: That incredible book murder Land that we keep talking about

1515
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: by Caroline Fraser really centers around him as one of

1516
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: the main serial killers. So it's the story you've heard,

1517
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: but in a totally different way. It's very interesting.

1518
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this episode was originally titled Live at the

1519
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: Neptune for reasons that we do not have to explain

1520
01:22:59,600 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: to you.

1521
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: We don't understand, do you. But if we were naming

1522
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: it today based on something that was said, maybe we'd

1523
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: call it Harold's Mother.

1524
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 2: You or we could name it rumors. I'm spreading him

1525
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: because Georgia says that after she falsely claims that George

1526
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 2: Clooney was raised to believe his mom was his sister,

1527
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: just like death Busy Rosebary Clooney like, what, that's his aunt?

1528
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: You're still doing it after all these years?

1529
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: The fuck?

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Speaker 3: Are you sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's his aunt? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Who's not his mom? For sure?

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Speaker 2: I mean you know what if it all came back

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Speaker 2: around to that, actually his aunt is his mom and

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Speaker 2: I knew just I'll give it.

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Speaker 1: I'll give it all over to you. So also we

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Speaker 1: could call it reverse kindergarten. Yeah, because that's uh, that's

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Speaker 1: basically what we're doing here on this podcast. We do

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Speaker 1: live shows.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Well, that's it. I mean, that's the fun.

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Speaker 3: A live show rewind.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're hoping to do on our live tours.

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Speaker 1: Is a show like that, I think pretty much sums.

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Speaker 2: Up it's also good to rewind these live shows so

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Speaker 2: we remember our lines and what we're supposed to do

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Speaker 2: when we go out there, and what it's actually like

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Speaker 2: and what to expect. But also, it's twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: We're we're in the midst of a fascist takeover. How

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Speaker 2: are these shows going to be different for us?

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Speaker 1: I'm so nervous about all of those things you just said,

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Speaker 1: me too. But thanks for being here with us then

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Speaker 1: and now, guys, we really appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: And at the time of this recording, there are a

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Speaker 2: couple tickets left for these Seattle shows, so if you

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Speaker 2: want to be there with us, please go to my

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Speaker 2: favorite murder dot com and get your tickets now.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks for being here then, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here. Now, let's listen to us say goodbye

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Speaker 1: from the Neptune Theater in Seattle. I think that's it,

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Speaker 1: you guys, Yeah, that's everyone thing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming out to the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and thanks for being part of us.

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Speaker 3: I was super, super fun, you guys. We love it here.

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Speaker 1: It was very cute.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being here. So we're mad at you

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Speaker 3: for yelling at.

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Speaker 2: Us about Dave Riker, but we'll talk about it at

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Speaker 2: a different time. Stay sexy and don't get ma