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Speaker 1: On the Bechde cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bechdel cast.

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Speaker 2: Ra rah rah raha. I'm Stitch. By the way, that

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Speaker 3: Oh okay. I knew it was gonna happen. I was like,

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Speaker 3: where's where are they going with this one? I feel

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Speaker 3: like everyone has m not to I guess I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to think of like impressions that middle schoolers liked doing

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Speaker 3: like the Stitch impression was a real inflection point for

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Speaker 3: some annoying twelve year olds.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I think they really were like, here's my moment to shine.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna find someone I have a crush on and

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Speaker 3: and then surely it'll work and they'll fall in love

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Speaker 3: with me. Oh baby, it's I mean, it's better. There's

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Speaker 3: there's certainly worse middle schooler impressions that have swept the nation.

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Speaker 3: I was in middle school when Borat came out. I

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Speaker 3: was just gonna say, Bora, that was that was that

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Speaker 3: And then also everyone's going to do a Borat impression.

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Speaker 3: It's too much. Yeah nothing, I would take stitch At

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Speaker 3: really does. I kept laughing when I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I was cackling. I feel like I am running a fever,

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Speaker 3: so at this could factory into any opinion I'm about

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Speaker 2: There's a scene.

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Speaker 3: Why is that the funniest joke in any movie I've

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Speaker 2: There's a scene where and it's just kind of like

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Speaker 3: He's a little stinker. I mean, he's kind of like

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Speaker 2: But there's a scene where he starts blending something in

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Speaker 2: like we're never going to top this hilarious physical gag.

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Speaker 3: And then the Minions came along. Oh wow, my god,

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Speaker 4: I think that was more around my time, where like

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Speaker 4: I used to like them, and then I started hating

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough. But I don't want a middle

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Speaker 3: being in middle school, when someone's doing an impression aggressively. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the back of cast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was I think our longest tie ride before

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Speaker 3: It's a rich text, Kate. I know. My name is

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Speaker 3: Jamie Loft.

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Durante, And this is our show

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Speaker 2: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 2: the Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point to

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Speaker 2: initiate a much larger conversation. But Jamie, what is the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel test? Tell me, I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Caitlyn Durante, Here's what it is. It's

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Speaker 3: a media metric created my queer cartoon is Alison Bechdel

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Speaker 3: in her comic collection called Takes to Watch out For.

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Speaker 3: Originally made as a sort of one off joke in

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Speaker 3: And I do feel like Stitch is male coded that

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Speaker 3: Do you remember now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for the reminder. I really

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Speaker 3: You're so welcome. We say it every single week for

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Speaker 3: seven years, but it's like someday it's really going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of these days, I can feel it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is our Lilo and Stitch episode, and we.

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Speaker 3: Have highly demanded, highly requested Yes.

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Speaker 2: And we have a highly requested guest as well. She

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Speaker 2: is an actress. She's about to graduate with an MFA

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Speaker 2: and Hawaiian theater. So I'm not the only master's degree

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Speaker 3: Okay, feeling like shit.

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Speaker 2: I would never mention my masters though, So it's fine.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: She's an aspiring educator and teacher. You've seen her on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: It's Lily he Elani Okima.

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Speaker 4: Aloha, my cow cool. Thank you for having me, welcome,

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: We're excited to have you.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to be on here.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting us to get to the minions so quickly,

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, So, Lily, tell us about your relationship your

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, I've been watching this film since I was

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Speaker 4: And it's a small community.

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Speaker 2: So awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's what I loved. I'm excited to talk about that

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Speaker 3: Nice Caitlin, Wan's your history with this movie.

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Speaker 2: I had only seen this movie once before prior to

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Speaker 3: The history, the history of this movie is fascinating. There

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Speaker 2: The minions are taking over and those three orphan girls.

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Speaker 2: Stitch we open on planet Touro at the Galactic Federation headquarters,

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm laughing at how often we've brought

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So they're at the Galactic Federation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, So this doctor Jumba has created

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay. So the Grand Councilwoman of the Galactic

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Speaker 3: Kids in the Hall Canadian legend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, cut to Hawaii, where we meet Lilo voiced by

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Speaker 2: We then meet Lelo's older sister, Nanny, who I think

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Speaker 2: Voiced by TiO Carrera. Leelo is in a bad mood

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Speaker 2: He looks more like secret service than a social worker.

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Speaker 2: Right, because the thing that fell out of the sky

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Speaker 3: Well, because Nanni overheard Lilo really wonding a friend, wanting

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Speaker 4: Also, kids just like name random things. I've taught kids,

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Speaker 2: getting to know each other, but Stitch is very badly behaved.

433
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: He's frustrated that he's stuck on this island, and he

434
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: keeps trying to find his way back into outer space.

435
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: Well, because he's using he's essentially using Lilo as a

436
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: meat shield when they first meet, because they can't the

437
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: aliens can't capture him when he is near lil because

438
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: something something mosquitoes.

439
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: But there.

440
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: I love the early I don't know. This movie is

441
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: just so thoughtful in the way it shows their relationship building.

442
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: And you see Lelo treats Stitch though, kind of the

443
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: way that Nanny treats her, and it's just like a

444
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: lot of good kids stuff. Yeah, and I for I

445
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: didn't remember this from since the last time I watched

446
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 3: it maybe two years ago, but that scene where she

447
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: draws a picture of Stitch and then it's like very

448
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: red and she's like, your badness level is here, we

449
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: need to work on that.

450
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: It's so high. I love it was so funny.

451
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Oh, she's the best.

452
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: I also like how they set up that Lelo and

453
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Stitch are similar and compatible, Like there's a reason that

454
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: she at least is drawn to him because he bites

455
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: whatever Captain gone to or I'll bring him up later.

456
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: But there's this other like alien guy who was responsible

457
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: for trying to like exile Stitch, but he messes up,

458
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: but Stitch bites him and then Leelo bites one of

459
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: her classmates Myrtle.

460
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, she deserves it.

461
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: She is bad.

462
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: I liked that they I feel like Disney movies now generally,

463
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: and I'm like, so dubious about Disney reboots. I'm like,

464
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: I bet they'll change it for the reboot. But the

465
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: movie did not bother to like redeem Myrtle. By the

466
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: end of the movie, you're like, yeah, this kid's kind

467
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: of an asshole, and sometimes that's just true.

468
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 4: Well I know why it's because I well, I think

469
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 4: it's in the Stitch has a glitch film. It's like

470
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: we kind of here. I forgot what exactly the occupation

471
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: her dad works. But Myrtle and her family are supposed

472
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: to represent a very like how they family here, like

473
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: you know, the hell the family that thinks like they

474
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 4: can do whatever they want, they own the place. They're

475
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 4: very rude. I've I've had a deal with a few

476
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: Myrtles in my life growing up, and I wanted to

477
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: scrap them as well, but my parents were like, no,

478
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna get in trouble. But they were lucky. Yeah, yeah,

479
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: not a fan fuck Myrtle.

480
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: Okay, so One day, Leelo and Stitch visit Nanny at work.

481
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: She's a server at a Luau style restaurant. Also, there's

482
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: a guy named David, voiced by Jason Scott Lee.

483
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: I love Dave David.

484
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: I had a crush on David.

485
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: He's very sweet. He has a crush on Nanny.

486
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: And so does she because Leila read her diary and

487
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: she said that he had a nice butt and fancy hair.

488
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 4: And I love how he does not care about the

489
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 4: butt parp. He was like, my hair's fancy. It's like

490
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 4: he knows, he knows that his butt looks fine. He's

491
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: just yeah, he's surprised about the hair. He's stress, he's conscious.

492
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 2: About his hair. So he asks Nanni out, but she's like, now,

493
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: it's not a good time. Then Nanny gets fired because

494
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: Stitch causes a bit of a commotion at the restaurant,

495
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: but only because.

496
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: It is Kevin McDonald in his mouth.

497
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they're trying to capture him. Yeah, So Nanny

498
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: goes to take Stitch back to the kennel, but Lelo

499
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: is like Dad said that Ohanna means family, and family

500
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: means no one gets left behind, and Stitch is part

501
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: of the family now, so we can't abandon him. Yeah,

502
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: gets left behind or forgotten.

503
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: There's so many sequences in this movie where you're just like,

504
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: all right, I guess I'm just gonna cry for twenty minutes.

505
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: That's good.

506
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: So then mister Bubbles shows up again, knowing that Nanni

507
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: lost her job. He sees Stitch misbehaving and he's like,

508
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: the next time I see y'all, you need to have

509
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: a job and your pet needs to be a model citizen.

510
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: And then there's a montage where Nanni applies to a

511
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: bunch of jobs and Lilo teaches Stitch to be like

512
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: Elvis because she thinks Elvis was a model citizen. But

513
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: everything goes wrong. Stitch is still misbehaving and Nanny still

514
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: can't find a job. Then David takes them surfing to

515
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: cheer them up, and it seems like Stitch is starting

516
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: to learn to be less destructive and better behaved. But

517
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: while they're surfing, the aliens try to capture Stitch, and

518
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Nanny thinks that Stitch drags Lelo underwater, and mister Bubbles

519
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: sees this like near drowning.

520
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: Because he has nothing else to do with his goddamn.

521
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: Life and just so happens to like avoid the aliens.

522
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like open your eyes, mister Bubbles.

523
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: He's full tuxedo on the beach. He stresses me out,

524
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: like he's not remotely incognito at any point.

525
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: So, because he sees all this catastrophe happening, he tells

526
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: Nanny that he's going to take Lilo away. The following morning,

527
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: Nanni is devastated. Back home, she sings Leelo a song

528
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: to say goodbye Aloha Oi. Meanwhile, Stitch realizes this whole

529
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: thing was his fault and he feels bad, so he

530
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: leaves in search of a new family. But doctor Jumba

531
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: finds him in the forest and starts chasing him, so

532
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Stitch runs back to Lilo and Nannie's house. Meanwhile, David

533
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: has found Nannie a job, so she goes to check

534
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: it out with him and leaves Lilo at home, right

535
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: when Stitch and Doctor Jumba come crashing in and destroy

536
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: the house. Mister Bubbles shows up to take Lilo away,

537
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: but oh no, she and Stitch get captured by that guy,

538
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: Captain Gonetu.

539
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: They're put into like an evil space tic tack, and

540
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: they disappeared.

541
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Right because the Grand councilwoman sent Gone to to Earth

542
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: to get the job done because doctor Jumba completely we're

543
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: so incompetent.

544
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this movie does sort of assume that we're like interesting,

545
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: I guess, much like the Star Wars prequels. It's they

546
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: think that we're interested in like intergalactic politics in a

547
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: way that I'm like, yeah, I don't care if Captain

548
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: Gantu gets his job back. Who the fuck is that?

549
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I want more?

550
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: Nanni, mm hmmm, whatever, he's there.

551
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: He is there, and he loads Lilo and Stitch on

552
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: his spaceship, but Stitch manages to escape just before gone

553
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: to blasts offt into space with Lilo, and Nanny sees

554
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: this and she goes to Jumba inmpletely and tells them

555
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: to bring Lilo back, and they're like, hmm, we can't.

556
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: We're just here for the creature. Also, they call Stitch

557
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: Experiment six six, so they're like, we're just here for

558
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Experiment six to six. But then Stitch convinces them to

559
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: help and they go on a rescue mission and Stitch

560
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: saves Lilo by hijacking a fuel truck driving it into

561
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: a volcan hano, which creates a huge explosion that blasts

562
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: him onto Gontu's ship, where Stitch is able to release

563
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: and rescue Lilo.

564
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: Like.

565
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: Some don't agree with his methods, but they but he

566
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: was it is.

567
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: It's very destructive too.

568
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: He was effective.

569
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then the Grand councilwoman shows up and is

570
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: about to take Stitch away, but she realizes that he's

571
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: not the monster she thought he was, that he belongs

572
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: to this family and they all love each other, so

573
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: she lets him stay on Earth, and the movie ends

574
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: with Lelo, Nanny, and Stitch all being reunited and with

575
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: the help of Jumba pleakly mister Bubbles, who are all

576
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: like in their friend group now and David.

577
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: I feel like they really let jumpa off the hook ultimately. Yeah, sure,

578
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: sure he's there, but he looks funny because he's a monster.

579
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: He's nice now or something.

580
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: He completely or married.

581
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they all rebuild Lil and Nannie's house together,

582
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: and then we get this like kind of credit sequence

583
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: where there's a bunch of like photographs of them doing

584
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: different things, celebrating different holidays, traveling to different.

585
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: Places, dancing, and Mary Monarch, which I'm like, wow, we

586
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: also just had Mary Monarch recently, like a couple of

587
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and I'm like, I cannot imagine them allowing

588
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: an alien on there. Hey why not?

589
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you never know. Yeah, And so that's

590
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: how the movie ends with them as if as a

591
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: happy family. So let's take another quick break and we'll

592
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: come back to discuss.

593
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: And way are back, Lily, Is there anything that you

594
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: would like to talk about right off the bat. We'll

595
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: sort of let you lead us and we'll sort of

596
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: jump in.

597
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. So obviously I watched this film a lot when

598
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: I was a kid, and I didn't really think about

599
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: like kind of the deeper messages behind it and the

600
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: symbolism and all of that. I just thought, Oh, this

601
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: stitch is so funny, and oh it takes a place

602
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: where I live. This is so cool. That as I

603
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: got older and I would rewatch it, I really like

604
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: appreciated seeing kind of the race they clearly did research

605
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: and the details that they put in the film. Of course, again,

606
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: and this is a film directed by two white men,

607
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: and this was made in like two thousand and two,

608
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: when we don't really have kind of this awareness of

609
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: like authenticity and representing, you know, BIPOC communities and cultures.

610
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: But I would say for its time, it did pretty good.

611
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean they I remember I was sharing these videos

612
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: on my TikTok a while ago about because like there

613
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: was like this trend going on TikTok where people were

614
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: dancing to the Kalaka or himel Nolilo song, which it

615
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: is a real chant, but they turned it into like

616
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: a song in this film. So how you would actually

617
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: chant the oh cola is very different. It's more like

618
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: kahiko traditional style. But anyways, there was like a trend

619
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 4: going on where people were like dancing to that song

620
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: on TikTok, but they were just like doing whatever the

621
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: hell they wanted to. They weren't dancing to like, you know,

622
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: actual like lyrics or they were they were just like

623
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: doing random movements that weren't even hula. Some of them

624
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 4: were like Tahesian movements as well. I'm like, that's not.

625
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: What we do.

626
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: And I was trying to tell people, like hula, you

627
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 4: dance to the words. It's not the movements, you know,

628
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: bring the words to life. So you can't just like

629
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: make up whatever movements you want to and call it

630
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: hula because that's not hula. And of course people were

631
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: saying this is just a movie, it's not real, and

632
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, it's depicting my culture, so it is real.

633
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 4: And they were like, well, that's how they danced in

634
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: the movie, and I'm like, no, they did it. And

635
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: so I pulled up the receipts of the directors like

636
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 4: talking to kumuam mar ke Lei Ujomalu, and they were

637
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: like visiting his hello animating how he would play the

638
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: ipuhke so that like double gored that they played to

639
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: like keep the beat. And then also like videotaping the

640
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: hula dancers and they like would draw like they drew

641
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: like over like the video or I think they drew

642
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: it like you know, by like looking at it. But yeah,

643
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 4: you know, they wanted to like see the actual movements.

644
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: And again, if you look at that film and you

645
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: look at the movements, it corresponds to like the words

646
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: you know, claka hey, no, his name is klawkoa and

647
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: then so on and so forth, like PUA's flowers. So

648
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: you see them doing like this kind of movement where

649
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: this is supposed to signify flower. So it's trying to

650
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: show people like they did their research, like they were

651
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: trying to depict our culture for a reason. It's not

652
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: random but whatever. But yeah, I was rewatching it again

653
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 4: and just looking at Oh, they showed this so well.

654
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: And then I was listening to like I think there

655
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: was like one part in the film where the hula

656
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: teacher was speaking Hawaiian to the students, like the kids,

657
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: and I kind of found like a little kind of

658
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: a funny translation that they did. I think. I don't

659
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: know if there was like Hawaii language experts on the

660
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: film that kind of doubled and triple checked some of

661
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: the translations. So after Lelo started scrapping myrtle and like

662
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: you know, punching her, and he was trying to tell

663
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: every the kids to calm down, and then he tells

664
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: he tries to tell the kids like stop talking. But

665
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: how he said it, it was so weird. He says, which

666
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: doesn't mean like don't speak. It just says like doesn't speak,

667
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: like you would use that for like, you know oli,

668
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: you know, like they don't speak. If you want to

669
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: tell someone like don't speak, you can say like may valla, oh,

670
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: like don't speak, or you can say hamo, which we

671
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: mostly say that to children, like hamo, which means like

672
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: silence or you can say like om a lie, which

673
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: means to calm down. So I just thought it was fun.

674
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: It was like, this is like a very very literal translation,

675
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 4: but it's not a command, but.

676
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: The grammar is quite there.

677
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. But I was also excited because I'm, you know,

678
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: a new Hawaii language speaker. No one in my family

679
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: speaks Hawaiian, so I'm like the first of my family

680
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 4: to learn it. Especially with my degree, we had to

681
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: learn Hawaiian. So I was really impressed that I was

682
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: able to watch this and think, wow, I can correct

683
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: them ooh Disney, but they did some like you know,

684
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: the other Hawaii language was pretty spot on. And also

685
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: appreciated hearing the pigeon speaking. So I'm Tia Carrera voicing

686
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: nanny speaking in a pigeon accent, and then the guys

687
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: who like ran over Stitch and how he ended up

688
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: in the animal shelter. Although I will say that's probably

689
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: the most forced pigeon I've ever heard, but it's okay.

690
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: I think some of them might be. But I think

691
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: that was like a first take or something like, well

692
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: we went hit. I'm like, Okay, that's very very forced,

693
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: very theatrical, but but yeah, I loved hearing just like

694
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: Pigeon being spoken in a Disney film, because not so

695
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: much when I was growing up, but when my parents

696
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 4: were growing up, and even like my grandparents. First of all,

697
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: speaking Hawaiian wasn't allowed. It wasn't until I think like

698
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: the early nineteen eighties that they started offering Hawaiian language

699
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: like in schools, and they started they started having like

700
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: Hawaii language emmergion schools, but before then there was a band,

701
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: so you weren't allowed to teach her speak Hawaiian after

702
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom. And also like if

703
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: you spoke pigeon, which is our creole language, so it's

704
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: like Hawaiian English has some like Japanese, Filipino, Korean, Chinese

705
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: influences there. If you spoke pigeon, you were seen as

706
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: like unintelligent, you were seen as illiterate, ridiculous. So it

707
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: was just basically like English only So hearing in like

708
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: a Disney film like Pigeon being spoken and like Hawaiians

709
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: even though it was like kind of like little not

710
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: so much it was, but it was like really amazing

711
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: just hearing that because I don't know, it's like validating

712
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: our language and showing that it can be beautiful and

713
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: that we speak it here and just because we speak

714
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: pigeon or speak quin doesn't mean that we're not smart.

715
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course.

716
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

717
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: I was also kind of struggling to see because there

718
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: was a really great oral history of Leelo inst that

719
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: came out a couple of years ago, and then there

720
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: was also a documentary, but it was tragically two hours long.

721
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: I did not finish it before we started recording. But

722
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: I was interested in what the research process was like

723
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: for the Unity, and I wasn't able to find. Yeah,

724
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: I also was not able to find specifics on language.

725
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: The most specific information I could find was that Tia

726
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: Carrero was really informative and it was more that like

727
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: there were not exclusively because David Chase. It's not her fault.

728
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: She's a kid, and she was also the girl from

729
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: the Ring, so good for her while two thousand and

730
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: two for her.

731
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: She also voiced them Shihiro and Spirited Away, which is

732
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: like my favorite, right yeah, in English dub.

733
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: But they you know, they did not cast a young

734
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: Hawaiian girl to voice Lilo, which they acknowledge in that

735
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: because the the oral history was done twenty years later,

736
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: and they acknowledge it, but they still are sort of

737
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: like skirting the subject.

738
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: In a way.

739
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: I found a little funky where they were like, well,

740
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: I agree there were no child actors in Hawaii. I

741
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: was like, that's just not true. That's just not true.

742
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: So you find them, you find them. Yeah, I think

743
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: the only I think the only Native Hawaiian voice actor

744
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: in that film is Jason Scott Lee who voices David,

745
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure also the voice actor for the

746
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 4: hula teacher and some like background characters also. But yeah,

747
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: Tia Carrera, even though she's born and raised here, she's

748
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: a local, she speaks pigeon, she is not Native Hawaiian ethnically.

749
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: Which is something that we see all that time, especially

750
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: in movies from this era, where this movie, for example,

751
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: characters who are Native Hawaiian are for the most part

752
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: not especially like the main characters, like the core group

753
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: of people who you spend the most time with, you

754
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: get to care for, they are for the most part

755
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: not voiced by Native Hawaiian actors, which is just frustrating

756
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: for a number of reasons.

757
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: Well, and it's like still going on, right, I mean,

758
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: that's been a and I'm curious on your thoughts on this, Lily,

759
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 3: Like that's a conversation that is going on in a

760
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: slightly different but not very different way with the live

761
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: action reboot of this movie, where every casting announcement has

762
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: very understandably sparked another conversation about Disney whitewashing and colorism

763
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: in their casting.

764
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: Well, when they casted Maya Kaaloha for Leelo, of course,

765
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 4: I was like, she's so cute. She looks just like Leelo,

766
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: and she dances hula. She is native Hawaiian and so

767
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: we were all like really excited for her, and you know,

768
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: she's like, she's not an actress. I say this as

769
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: an actress myself, Like anyone can act, it's just you know, obviously,

770
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: the more experience you have, I think, the more confident

771
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 4: you are. But when it comes to like acting and

772
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: using your emotions, like anyone can do.

773
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: That, especially with like children, I mean, like, yeah, they

774
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: have to start somewhere.

775
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: Especially like if you're playing a character that you can

776
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: relate to, like culturally wise or whatever, then it doesn't

777
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: feel like acting. It's just you. You know, I would

778
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 4: prefer to cast someone who is connected to the character

779
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: than like.

780
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: An actor, right, the idea of like an eight looking

781
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: at an eight year old and being like she's too green,

782
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, she's she's she's talking about Yeah.

783
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: Then they released the casting of Nanny, which, of course

784
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: a lot of us were like, she looks nothing like Nanny,

785
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: but a lot of us thought she was part Native Hawaiians,

786
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: So we were like, at least they casted someone.

787
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: Who is Native Hawaiian.

788
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: Would have been nice if had someone that looked more

789
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 4: like Nanny, especially because you know, the animators designed her

790
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: to look like that for a reason. You don't see

791
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: that kind of like especially in the previous Disney films,

792
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: like a lot of like the brown Disney girls, you know,

793
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: had like tiny noses, skinny bodies, very like.

794
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Petite European centric features centric.

795
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Nanny is kind of one of the first

796
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: very indigenous looking characters or they embraced her like curvy

797
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: features and her indigenous features. And even though she's on

798
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: official Disney Princess, a lot of us call her like

799
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: our first Hawaiian Disney Princess. She's gorgeous and helped me

800
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: a lot with like loving my own features. But you know,

801
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: we thought, Okay, would have been nice to have someone

802
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: who actually looked like her player, but at least she's

803
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: Native Hawaiian. And then my friend released those receipts in

804
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 4: her TikTok that she is at native Hawaiian and we're like, welp,

805
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: that's an issue. It's like Doggie kamea Loja all over again.

806
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: Just cast the half white, half Asian girl to play

807
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: a native Hawaiian character instead of, like, I don't know

808
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: an actual native Hawaiian. Because they were able to find

809
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 4: Maya kaala hus. I'm like, why can't you find someone

810
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: for Nania? You would think, yeah, but I know Sydney

811
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: is born and raised in Kawai and you know she

812
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: grew up there, and I have friends who know her

813
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: that like went to school with her and all that.

814
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: It's a very small community here, so people know her.

815
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: And I guess like some people thought her family was Hawaiian,

816
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: but it would be kind of unfortunate to like know

817
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: that she lied about being Hawaiian to get this role.

818
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: Because I also have friends who auditioned for Nanny and

819
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: the casting directors told them specifically they were looking for

820
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: a native Hawaiian actress. Or like a Polynesian Pacific Islander actress.

821
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 4: So I think it's kind of like there's both parties

822
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: at fault when the casting directors for not like properly

823
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: looking at Sydney's background to see if she is Native Hawaiian,

824
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: but also like Sidney going for a role that's for

825
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: a Native Hawaiian actress. Especially again, like you look at

826
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 4: Doogie Kamalojo, you look at like other you look at

827
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 4: like Emma Stone in Aloha as well, where yeah, and

828
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: you look at other films like I know in White Lotus,

829
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: like they actually have Native Hawaiian actors play the men.

830
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: But it just seems like in a lot of films

831
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: or TV shows when they have like a Native Hawaiian

832
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: character who's a female, like they can't find a girl

833
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: to play her. It's like they want to have like

834
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: a Asian person with a tan or like I don't know,

835
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: just someone who doesn't like isn't Native Hawaiian. Which and

836
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 4: there's some discussion going on in our community where it's like, well,

837
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: at least she's from here, so we should give it that,

838
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 4: and we should be you know, not getting too upset

839
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: about it.

840
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: But that just still takes opportunities away from actual native

841
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: Hawaiian actors and people.

842
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not denying that, like Sydney can't be

843
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: culturally Hawaiian because she did grow up here. I think, yes,

844
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: there's like you can be Hawaiian like genetically, and you

845
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: can be Hawaiian culturally, or it could be both. Like

846
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people here who aren't genetically

847
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: native Hawaiian, but they grew up with Hawaiian culture. They

848
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: speak Hawaiian and all that. So I'm not going to

849
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: say like you can't be Hawaiian, but I think for

850
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 4: the sake of just casting, this character should have gone

851
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: to like someone who is native Hawaiian, because again, we

852
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: are very barely represented. And my friends who go to

853
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: auditions and they try to like get roles for them

854
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: and they never get them. There's clearly an issue going

855
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: on with the casting. And now on to David So.

856
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: I actually know both of the actors who were up

857
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: for David. So there was Cahio and then now Kaipo

858
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: was playing him. I was in like university classes, like

859
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: acting classes with them. I did like some acting stuff

860
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 4: with them. Yeah, I know. At first Cahio was casted

861
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: for David, and some people also were criticizing that because

862
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: of colorism, but also his features were not really looking

863
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: like David's. And then all of you know, the news

864
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: of him using the Ensler, you know, back in twenty thirteen,

865
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: but then also on the Spotify playlist, which I didn't

866
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: know those are reacent because I don't use Spotify. So

867
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, I remember when I was looking those up.

868
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: I was trying to look up the playlist and I

869
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: couldn't find it, and I was trying to look up, Okay,

870
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: what year was this made? Because for the twenty thirteen

871
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: one he was like a minor during then, which I'm

872
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: not excusing, like miners who say that word are off

873
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: like horrible, but sure, you know, if you was like

874
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: saying this now as an adult, then I'd be like, okay, right,

875
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: and I could just speak from like living here, like

876
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: people aren't very aware of a lot of things outside

877
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: of I e. It's not really like they don't really

878
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: care about these things, which they should care. I'm not

879
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 4: saying like that's a excuse, but there are people here

880
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: that don't know a lot about like US history, or

881
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: they don't know about like the very apparent, like anti

882
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 4: black racism. I mean, it's like taught here, but not

883
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: to like the biggest extent, especially if it's a public

884
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: school here, it's awful. I can't go on that tangent,

885
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: but that's.

886
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Fairly taught on the mainland United States as well.

887
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, there is just a lack of awareness here.

888
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: But nowadays, with you know, more access to resources and

889
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 4: social media and more education, I definitely hear less kids

890
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: and less people using those kinds of racial slurs or

891
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 4: even in general just saying very insensitive things now because

892
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 4: I remember when I was a kid, people would say

893
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: so much insensitive things and I'm like, don't say that.

894
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: That's bad, and they're like, oh, are you like an

895
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: American or whatever. I'm like, no, you should just care.

896
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, so they fired him because of those things,

897
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: and I completely understand that. But my friend Kuypel is

898
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: now playing David and I'm excited for him as well.

899
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: He's a very good actor. It's kind of funny. I'm like,

900
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 4: I read all like the news articles that show him

901
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 4: and just seeing a lot of people like thirst after

902
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 4: my friend, I'm like, I mean, I don't blame them.

903
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: He is a very handsome guy, but it's just so

904
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: funny because they're like, oh, he's so handsome, he looks

905
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: so much like David. I'm like, wait till they know

906
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 4: how much of like a goofball he is.

907
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 2: Because David is also a bit of a good Yeah.

908
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: I was like, perfect, perfect David.

909
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: True, but he is. He's a major goof all but

910
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 4: in all the right ways. Kype Off, you're hearing this,

911
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 4: I love you.

912
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: Thank you for that insight. I mean, I feel like

913
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: it is I don't know, it's like, that's such a

914
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: good point about just how Native Hawaiian actresses in particular

915
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: are just like erased and so easily erased, even in

916
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: two thousand and two of just like well we couldn't

917
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: find anybody. And I feel like that is almost preying

918
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: on other people's ignorance, where they're like, well, maybe that's

919
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: true when it's so demonstrably untrue, like you yourself are

920
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: a living proof that it is not true.

921
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Disney has so many resources, like they were

922
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: able to find a Lak Cravao for Moana in twenty sixteen,

923
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: and she didn't do any like films prior to that.

924
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: I think she probably did some theater, but she went

925
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: to come to my high school. So of course she

926
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: knows how to sing, and they're all about like the

927
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 4: music and the singing there. But yeah, they like found

928
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: her and now she's an established actress and she's doing

929
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 4: other projects. So they have the resources. They just don't

930
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: want to use it sometimes.

931
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't like to be bothered.

932
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just imagine how many talented people there

933
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: are out there that they can you know, it's good

934
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: for them too, business wise, like they can be like

935
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: we find so many like talented people. I'm like, just yeah,

936
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: just do it.

937
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: Just do that, put in the effort. Similar to the

938
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: missteps in casting, and like again like Tia Kuerra, like

939
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: she's a great actor. You know, we're not impugning her

940
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: talent or anything like that. It's just like native characters

941
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: should be played by native actors. Similar to that is

942
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: the conception.

943
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: Of this movie and who it was made by not

944
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: specific to Hawaii at all. Right, they originally wanted to

945
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: set the movie in Kansas.

946
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh I didn't read that. Yeah, So I

947
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm pulling a lot of this from an oral history

948
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: of Lelo and Stitch from Vulture. So basically, co director

949
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: Chris Sanders had an idea for a story about an

950
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 2: alien who lived in the forest among animals, and then

951
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: a creative director at Disney, Thomas Chumaker, was like, okay,

952
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: but what if you made it an alien living among people.

953
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: That's more interesting than an alien living among animals. And

954
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: also the forest is just too much green, so we

955
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: need more color. So Chris Sanders responds to that in

956
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: this Oral History by saying, quote, I had a map

957
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: of Hawaii up on my wall. I'd been on vacation there.

958
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: One day. I thought, wait a minute, why couldn't I

959
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: just set it there. I didn't know anyone at that

960
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: point who was Hawaiian that I could consult with, so

961
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 2: I turned to a road map and I just started

962
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: pulling names. I found Lilo Lane, and I found the

963
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: word nanny on there, and these sounded like names to me.

964
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: Then I went away to Palm Springs and spent a

965
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: week hold up in a hotel room unquote. And then

966
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: it was there that he, I think, started developing the

967
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: story and then like created the design of Stitch. He

968
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: like did sketches and build a model and stuff like that.

969
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: So basically he was just like, hmm, I've been to

970
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 2: Hawaii on vacation. What if I just pull random names

971
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: from a map and then I make a movie about it.

972
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: We got half of that correct. Nney is like a

973
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 4: very common name here. I've never met anyone named Lilo.

974
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: That's a very unique name. Also, I love like reading

975
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: online where people like say, oh, Lilo means lost or

976
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 4: to become lost, and she kind of becomes lost. Well,

977
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: there's another meaning to lelo, and it means to like

978
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: transform or to become something. So if I say, like

979
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: ualilo vau e koca, that means I became a doctor,

980
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: so like becoming something. So I think that's kind of cool.

981
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if they like named her that because

982
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: of those meanings. I think again, just ohlo Land. Yeah,

983
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: Lelo is like a verb, so I'm like, huh, you

984
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: name your well Actually, you know, in our language, like

985
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: verbs can be nouns and nouns can be verbs depending

986
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: on like how you use them. But yeah, I've never

987
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: met I know a lot of nunnies, but I don't

988
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: know a lot of Leelo's. I don't think I know

989
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: anyone named Leelo.

990
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did seem like a kind of randomly lucky guess. Yeah.

991
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: The documentary I watched also expanded on the fact that

992
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: they were looking for up until this decision to set

993
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: it in Hawaii was to put it somewhere that there

994
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: just wasn't a major city, or like there wasn't a

995
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: huge commercial airport so that Stitch could sort of not

996
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: be detected for a while, I guess. But they originally

997
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: said it in Kansas, but apparently they were like, that's

998
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 3: too much like the Wizard of Oz. Pick another location,

999
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: and that's how this so it is like it's so

1000
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm certainly very happy that they landed on

1001
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: the location that they did, but it was so yeah,

1002
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: just white director randomness, just looking around being like well,

1003
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: and it's like those are generally the people making some

1004
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: of the more big creative decisions in children's media, and

1005
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: like we've talked about a million times on this show,

1006
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: even when I mean these these moves, I guess, like

1007
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: this era of Disney is so wildly hid and miss

1008
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: and it's clear that Disney's priorities are still based on

1009
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: all of these recent controversies, not in the right place,

1010
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: because they're never the first option is never to hire

1011
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: a native Hawaiian director. For a project like this, which

1012
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 3: is the clear answer is like a native Hawaiian director

1013
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 3: who is excited about doing this, like that is it's

1014
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: the easiest thing in the world, and.

1015
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 4: They have resources to look for a native Hawaiian director,

1016
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 4: Like I was actually talking to my husband about this,

1017
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, why don't they because we have I don't

1018
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 4: know if you guys have heard of HIFF before. Are

1019
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: at the Hawaii International Film Festival? Oh yes, yeah, I

1020
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: don't know why they can't find directors from there who've

1021
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: like I don't know, I think there's an award show

1022
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: for him. I'm sorry, I've never watched a lot of

1023
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: it because always.

1024
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: It's like it's almost like they definitely could.

1025
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could do that, or if they wanted to

1026
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 4: have a more like established director that has more experience

1027
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 4: and all that, that is like Pacific Islander. I was

1028
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 4: even saying, why didn't they get Taika why TD to

1029
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: direct this? Because he he's Pacific Islander, he's Maudi and

1030
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: he is definitely aware of Hawaiian culture and more culturally sensitive,

1031
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 4: and but I think it would have been nice to

1032
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: have like a native Hawaiian director or someone who is

1033
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: like Pacific Islander.

1034
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: But spoiler alert, it's directed by.

1035
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: A white guy again, anyah, like director, screenwriter for an

1036
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: animated film, like I don't know exactly who all is

1037
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: responsible for like character design, but whoever's like designing characters

1038
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: like these should be native Hawaii people and Okay, So

1039
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: Chris Sanders another quote from him, Dean and I have

1040
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 2: no business telling a Hawaiian story. You can tell stories

1041
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: like that, but then you find people who do have

1042
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: a business there. So we reached out to as many

1043
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: people as we could that lived there, and it's like, yeah,

1044
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: you're right, you don't have a business telling a Hawaiian story,

1045
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: but you did it anyway.

1046
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: Why Well, I guess that's a I'm interested in your

1047
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: feelings on that, lily, because I feel like there's so

1048
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: many like especially because this is like two thousand and

1049
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: two where there's like Disney is not hiring native Hawaiian

1050
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: directors to direct any project, and so it's like it

1051
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: feels to me as I was researching it, it's like

1052
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 3: the only way that a major Disney movie would take

1053
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: place in Hawaii in this era is if one of

1054
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 3: these random white guy directors chose that and then tried

1055
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: to allocate research towards it, which is absolutely not shouldn't

1056
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: be the practice or the solution. But it feels like

1057
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: for the time that is the most that was being

1058
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: done within the major Hollywood system. So I don't even want, like,

1059
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: I like, obviously the co directors of this movie, no,

1060
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: they have no business making a Hawaiian movie, but they

1061
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I don't. It's such a weird,

1062
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: fraught topic because I do. I was honestly surprised based

1063
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: on other, you know, Disney movies we've covered that they

1064
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: did research at all and the bars on the absolute

1065
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: fucking floor, it's beneath the floor at the bars in

1066
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: Hell for this sort of research. But I don't know. Yeah,

1067
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm interested in both your opinions on that because it's

1068
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: I totally agree with that you're saying, Kaitlin, And I'm

1069
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: also like, I don't know how else a movie like

1070
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: a Disney movie would have taken place in Hawaii in

1071
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: two thousand and two.

1072
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of it is just it's Hollywood.

1073
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 4: It's like a there's a certain network of people, so

1074
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: they want people that they know to direct. I also

1075
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: think a lot of it is like white savior complex

1076
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 4: that they think, like, we don't have the right to

1077
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: tell this Hawaiian story, but we're gonna try really hard

1078
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: and really like we respect it so much. I'm like, well,

1079
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 4: if you really respect it, then you would know that

1080
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 4: it's not your place, and that you don't need to

1081
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 4: be the center of attention, and that you can use

1082
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: your resources to let someone of that culture, of that

1083
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: place tell it. But yeah, I noticed, especially within my

1084
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: studies in Hawaiian theater versus like I grew up with

1085
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: a very Western like theater background, you know, I did

1086
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of Shakespeare, learned Tennessee Williams all of that,

1087
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 4: and just with my upbringing in Western theater, it's very

1088
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 4: much about like I'm the star, I want to be

1089
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: this main character. I want the lights on me, I

1090
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 4: want you know, I want the attention. But then in

1091
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: Hawaiian theater, it's all about telling the story. It's about

1092
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 4: the characters. What is the message you're trying to convey? Why? Now?

1093
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: Why me? All of that and a lot of in

1094
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: Hawaii theater, we're telling stories about our ancestors or like

1095
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: our home. So it just kind of made me rethink about,

1096
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: like why am I an actress. Why do I perform?

1097
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 4: Is it because I want to be the attention or

1098
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 4: is it because I want to help tell meaningful stories

1099
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: to help inspire people? And I think it would be

1100
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: great of a lot of like you know, these like

1101
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 4: Western media companies like Hollywood and Disney focused on that

1102
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 4: focused on the storytelling and not about the fame and

1103
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: the fortune, which they're not the ego, but they're not

1104
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 4: going to do that, yeah, because the part of that

1105
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 4: they have to like reflect and think, maybe I'm not

1106
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 4: the best person to tell this story, so whop, I'm

1107
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: not going to get the oscar for this film. But

1108
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's like you can still be a part

1109
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 4: of it, but just you should have like.

1110
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: You can finance it.

1111
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 4: Sir financed it, or like you know, if you want

1112
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: to have like multi because like also I think about

1113
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 4: in Hawaii theater, there's not always one director. There's always

1114
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 4: like multiple directors having like multiple different perspectives. And I

1115
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 4: don't know why like we need to have like films

1116
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 4: with just one director. And I would love to see

1117
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: more films where they have like it's more of like

1118
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: a collaboration and like a team. You don't need to

1119
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 4: have like, yeah, the director, because again it's about ego.

1120
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 4: It's like I want to win the Oscar for Best Directing.

1121
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: Not me.

1122
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, well, why why do you care about

1123
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 4: an award and not about the movie you're trying to tell.

1124
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: Telling the best story you can tell, right.

1125
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, and they absolutely should have advocated

1126
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: for a native Hawaiian director, and even, like you're saying, Lily,

1127
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 3: even as a co director, that would have made worlds

1128
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: more sense then, because I feel like that became the

1129
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: Disney formula that did carry through if I'm remembering correctly,

1130
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: that carried through to Mowana as well. We still have

1131
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: two white co directors directing an animated movie about Polynesian culture,

1132
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: but the sort of safe guard, which I'm glad it's there,

1133
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: but it can't be the like the only way that

1134
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 3: Native cultures are involved in the portrayal of their own

1135
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: culture is like they're like, well, we allocated a lot

1136
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: of money and time to research, and it's like but

1137
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: but it always has to be inclusion at the top

1138
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: levels or it doesn't sustain like.

1139
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: Ever, Yeah, they definitely in Mowana, they definitely did like

1140
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: a lot better. I remember watching like this a lot

1141
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 4: of document about their creation of it, and I do

1142
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 4: I do appreciate that they actually spent years traveling to

1143
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if those months or years, but like

1144
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: traveling to the different Pacific islands and meeting with the

1145
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: community and learning how to wayfind or learning how to

1146
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: make tapa, making food, fishing, performing arts and stuff. Again

1147
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 4: too white directors and all that, But I actually was

1148
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 4: really surprised that in their whole team they actually also

1149
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 4: had like Pacific Islanders in their trying to help make decisions,

1150
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: although they weren't allowed to make like final decisions. And

1151
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 4: I think there were some parts where they were trying

1152
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 4: to like push really hard to have these certain things.

1153
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: But Disney, of course is like new but whatever. And

1154
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: then for the music, I love how they had Tevoka

1155
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: in there, and of course lind Manuel Miranda, which I'm like, Okay,

1156
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 4: that's random because he's not Pacifica at all, but I mean, yeah,

1157
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 4: he makes good music, so why not. I would have

1158
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 4: been nice in like, we know the way, if I

1159
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 4: didn't have to hear his voice, I would have loved

1160
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: to hear, like hear Opataia's voice, an actual Pacifica in there.

1161
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: But that's why I listened to the Hawaiian dub or

1162
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: like the Maudi or Tsan dub of the films because i'mlike,

1163
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 4: this sounds nicer, you're actually hearing the music in there.

1164
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I remember that like Mwana kind of especially

1165
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: with the casting of like All Pacific Islanders, with the

1166
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: exception of like what's his name who plays Hey, Hey,

1167
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 4: it's like that Tutic guy forgot oh Alentudic.

1168
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah he's great, he's great.

1169
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 4: But that's the standard, like wanna really set the standard

1170
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: of like, Okay, when you're gonna make these films that

1171
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: have cultural like depictions, you should cast people accordingly. So

1172
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 4: they did that with like Cocode, they did that with

1173
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: like Encanto. They did not do that with like Ryan

1174
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 4: the Last Try Again famously, But yeah, like you said,

1175
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: it's kind of hit or miss. It's like you think

1176
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 4: they're doing really well, but then they like flop, and

1177
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 4: then they do really well and then they like flop again.

1178
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, they just need to find the correct formula

1179
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: and just go with it, like stop trying to I

1180
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 4: don't know. But and then I was really looking forward

1181
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 4: to like the live action because I thought, oh, well,

1182
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 4: I mean, this could have been a great opportunity to

1183
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: correct some of the mistakes in the animated film and

1184
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 4: to cast native Hawaiian more Native Hawaiian actors and actresses

1185
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 4: in here. But then of course all the casting controversies

1186
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 4: and then who's directing.

1187
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: It and all that.

1188
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, no, this is this is not it.

1189
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep watching the animated film.

1190
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, it is frustrating to think that the two

1191
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: thousand and two version may very well be done more

1192
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: thoughtfully than a twenty twenty four version. But it goes

1193
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: back to like, if there was inclusion, I feel like

1194
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: Disney would not be so consistently flopping on these issues

1195
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: all the fucking time if there was inclusion at the

1196
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: highest levels. But because it's still a bunch of largely

1197
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: mostly white men, but also why women in these positions

1198
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: that they're never gonna stop flopping And it's like it's it,

1199
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 3: It drives me absolutely up a wall, and it's like

1200
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: you're literally doing worse that the business you want to

1201
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: be in charge of because you're so fucking like eurocentric weirdos.

1202
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should have done it, like turning red for example,

1203
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 4: like having a Chinese actress, and she has done I

1204
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: think that ball picks our short. It's with a dumb

1205
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 4: blingh Oh my god. That was so cute. But like,

1206
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, taking someone who is like a smaller director

1207
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 4: and then giving her an opportunity and really depicting the culture,

1208
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: having someone of that culture also with the same lived

1209
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: experiences being a immigrant in Canada Canadia to tell the

1210
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 4: story and.

1211
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: And it shows in the mood like movies.

1212
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, still one of the biggest crimes of twenty twenty

1213
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 3: two that Turning Red didn't get like a huge theater release. Yeah,

1214
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: them putting that right on Disney. Plus, I was like,

1215
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: I will never forgive ever.

1216
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: Come on. I loved it.

1217
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 4: I watched it so many times though, I'm like, it

1218
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 4: was so good. And of course people hated it because

1219
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 4: it was about teenage girls and anything about girls as

1220
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: poopy and all that.

1221
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, a movie about periods, and it's like, that

1222
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: is not what the movie's about. Even Yeah, it was

1223
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: like metaphors.

1224
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 4: It was like two minutes talking about pyramids, pyramids, periods. Sorry,

1225
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: we in some pigeon we'd call periods like pyramids. I

1226
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 4: hear my mom call it a lot. Oh let's get

1227
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 4: your pyramid.

1228
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 3: That I was babysitting a kid during my friend's wedding

1229
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: last year who's loved churning Red And I was like, hey, Maya,

1230
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: I was alive in two thousand and two, and she

1231
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: was like, oh, she's disgusting. I was like, all right, cool,

1232
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: never mind, I will see myself out.

1233
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, it does take place in two

1234
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: thousand and two, the same yeah year that Leelo and

1235
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 4: Stitch I think also takes place as well.

1236
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Wow, it's all connected, Lily.

1237
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: Since you brought up the music in Mowana, I was

1238
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: curious on your thoughts on the music in Leelo and

1239
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: Stitch because there's also some interesting kind of like behind

1240
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: the scenes things happening there where. So Alan Silvestri was

1241
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: hired to be the composer for this movie. You'll never

1242
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: believe it. Another white guy who I'm actually a big

1243
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: fan of. He what is he fam for me? I

1244
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: would say he's most famous for the Back to the

1245
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: Future score, but he's got a pretty prolific career. He

1246
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: works with Robert Semechis a lot, but you know, probably

1247
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: not the right person to compose a film with a

1248
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: lot of native Hawaiian music in it. No obviously, and

1249
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: it seems like the directors were like trying to do

1250
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: some research and people were like trying. But when you

1251
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: read this oral history, you come upon a lot of

1252
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: comments from the composer and the directors who were like,

1253
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: oh I went to a Virgin megastore looking for music,

1254
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: specifically Hawaiian music, and you could find like two CDs

1255
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 2: of Hawaiian music. Oh see.

1256
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: I felt like that quote. I mean, not to excuse

1257
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 3: any of their behavior or hiring away guy, but I

1258
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 3: feel like that was intended to illustrate the fact that

1259
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: Hawaiian music was extremely underrepresented in in the mainland US

1260
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: at that time. It was like he was trying to

1261
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: do research and like literally could not because it was

1262
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: so underrepresented.

1263
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 4: Which is probably why they should have just went to

1264
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 4: Haveaii and find native native Hawaiian musicians, which they did,

1265
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 4: because yeah, I mean they did for like the Kamehameha

1266
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 4: Children's Choir. I really liked that they were in there

1267
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 4: because again, Kamehameha schools are all about the music and

1268
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 4: the singing. They always have like a song contest like

1269
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 4: every year, which if no one knows that I highly recommended.

1270
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 4: These kids are so talented and you know, singing Hawaiian music,

1271
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: dancing hula, just honoring the culture. But yeah, I find

1272
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 4: that definitely. I mean, I liked the music. I like

1273
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 4: the music. It's very catchy. It's definitely very Elvis Presley,

1274
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,440
Speaker 4: which I know a lot of people kind of associate

1275
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 4: Elvis Presley with Hawaii for some reason because of that

1276
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: movie or something Blue Have II and all that.

1277
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: Honestly didn't know that because I hadn't seen I mean,

1278
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 3: I haven't seen I don't know if I've seen any

1279
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: Elvis movies. But I was because that always felt very

1280
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: random to me. But then when I was researching for

1281
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: this episode, I was like, I don't, I mean, I don't.

1282
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 3: Maybe did did that feel like a choice that made

1283
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 3: sense to you?

1284
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 4: It's a very it's a very boomer way of thinking

1285
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 4: of like music, because I'm like, not a lot of

1286
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 4: I mean, again, Elvis is a very talented guy. We

1287
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: grew up listening to his music. It's very catchy. But

1288
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 4: you know, he's also racist and you know, has a

1289
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 4: very problematic history, So I would not really associate with

1290
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 4: them with Hawaiian culture. I'm surprised they didn't like put

1291
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 4: Israel Kamako Vivole on there, butrough it is. He's the

1292
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 4: one that sang like Somewhere over the Rainbow and all that.

1293
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 4: He was the big guy, beautiful singer. My father in

1294
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 4: law actually went to school with him, which is really funny.

1295
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 4: I'm like small community here. He was always playing the ukulele,

1296
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 4: always singing. So rest and peace esparta is. But but

1297
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 4: we have musicians here. I don't know why they didn't

1298
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 4: like put like our music on there, especially like when

1299
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 4: you come to have III and when you go to

1300
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 4: like Waikiki and other touristy areas, it's like you get

1301
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 4: some of like the Elvis Presley or like Hapa Howle

1302
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 4: like music, but you also get a lot of Hawaiian

1303
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 4: musicians in there, and I noticed that the tourists really

1304
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 4: like listening more to like the Hawaiian music. And it

1305
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 4: would have been a great opportunity to represent Hawaiian musicians

1306
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 4: and Hawaii music. But I think the only extent was

1307
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 4: again the Kamehameha School choir. I watched it behind the

1308
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 4: scenes of them like singing in the studio and it

1309
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 4: was really cute. I'd mentioned earlier the beginning song with

1310
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 4: Himele Nolilo that's an actual song or a chant in

1311
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 4: honor of King Kalakkawa. But Kumu Markeli Homalu like changed

1312
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 4: the tune and all that and the music to make

1313
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 4: it more like I think palatable. Big quotes palatable for

1314
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 4: like an American because they don't want to hear like

1315
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: chanting or whatever. But that would have been cool to hear.

1316
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: That been so cool. Yeah, Well the rest of that

1317
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: quote was that, so this is Chris Sanders talking where

1318
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: he's like, we went to a music store and tried

1319
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: to find Hawaiian CDs uh and then he goes on

1320
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: to say we found out that like that, there were

1321
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: so few because the parameters are very clear as to

1322
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: what you can and can't do with this music. We

1323
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: wanted to orchestrate this music. We wanted to take these

1324
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: Hawaiian themes and make them movie scale, and that's a

1325
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: bit of a no no. And then Alan Silvestri says,

1326
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: we wanted to bring in this more traditional Hawaiian influence

1327
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: to some of the songs, and we discovered there is

1328
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: a very deep sacred aspect to real traditional Hawaiian music.

1329
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: It's a very cared for tradition from Hawaii. And it's like,

1330
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: so if these are things that you discover after you've

1331
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: decided to set the movie in a certain place and

1332
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: depict a certain culture, like that means you're out of

1333
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: your element.

1334
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with like knowing that

1335
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 4: you don't know everything and that it's okay to allocate

1336
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 4: like certain duties or like have other people like help

1337
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 4: with it, because guarantee there would have been like a

1338
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 4: lot of kumuhula here or like you know, Hawaiian music

1339
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 4: practitioners and women like yeah, we'll tell you what songs

1340
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 4: you can use, what you can't use and all that

1341
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 4: because they've worked on films before, they've worked in TVs,

1342
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 4: like they they know what is like Kapu forbidden or

1343
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 4: Noah more free.

1344
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 3: And it's all the more frustrating to know that that

1345
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: is still actively happening. I don't I don't know much

1346
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 3: about what the situation is with music composition for the

1347
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: live action, but it's like the problems are still the same, Yeah,

1348
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 3: and it yeah, it's it's it's really frustrating, and especially

1349
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 3: to hear in the especially in the twenty years later

1350
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: oral history that it's like, Yeah, I just wish that

1351
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, there's like a defensive nature

1352
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 3: to the way that the talking and it could have

1353
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 3: just like the sentence can.

1354
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: Just end it.

1355
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 3: We didn't really have a right to tell this story,

1356
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: and maybe even an expression of have you reflected on that,

1357
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 3: how would you do it differently?

1358
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: Now?

1359
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 3: Like that can be instructive, but they just sort of are,

1360
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: like it felt more defensive than reflective, which is always

1361
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 3: sort of like a frustrating thing to come up against.

1362
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: Right, Can we talk about the characters? Yeah, I love

1363
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:38,440
Speaker 2: them Lelo and Nanni. I mean just from a representation standpoint,

1364
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: and I'm curious to hear your thoughts, of course, Lily.

1365
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: But I think there's like interesting things happening in this

1366
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: movie where you know, you have indigenous characters living in

1367
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: the modern world and dealing with everyday issues, which shouldn't

1368
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 2: be that rare of a thing. But so many movies

1369
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: about Native people are set in the past, and of

1370
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: course those stories are important too, but I think that

1371
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: contributes to a tendency that I think a lot of

1372
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: non native people have where they just don't really know

1373
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: anything about the lives and experiences of Native people, or

1374
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 2: even worse that they are not even really sure that

1375
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: Native people exist like in the US special.

1376
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they talk about us like we're part of the past.

1377
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 4: And what's even worse is when I hear a lot

1378
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 4: of non native Hawaiian people say like, well, you guys

1379
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 4: are mixed, so you're you guys are not pure Native Hawaiian,

1380
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 4: so you guys don't count. And I'm like, that's a

1381
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 4: very colonizer mindset because a Native Hawaiians never cared about

1382
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 4: blood quantum or even like phenotypes, about what you look like.

1383
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,919
Speaker 4: It's about genealogy and how connected you are with the culture.

1384
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 4: Are even our elite are like royal members didn't care

1385
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 4: about blood quantum. The next Queen of Hawaii would have

1386
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 4: been Princess cut you Aleney, who is half Hawaiian and

1387
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: half Scottish, and they're not like, you can't be the

1388
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 4: queen because you're only half. And then we had Prince

1389
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 4: Kuhio who created the Hawaiian Homesteads Act where he wanted

1390
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: to give like land to Native Hawaiians and at first

1391
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 4: he didn't set a blood quantum because he didn't want to.

1392
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: It's just it passes down in your family. But of

1393
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 4: course the US government was like, you need to put

1394
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 4: a blood quantum, so he thought of like the lowest

1395
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 4: one possible. He was like, okay, one and a thirty

1396
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 4: second then and they said that's too low, so they

1397
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 4: basically forced him to go half Hawaiian. So like, even then,

1398
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be I'm not qualified to apply for homestead

1399
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 4: land because I not enough. But again, like we don't

1400
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 4: care about blood quantum. It's it's a colonizer mindset. So

1401
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 4: I've had conversations with non Hawaiian people who say, like, well,

1402
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 4: you guys are only mixed, so you guys aren't even

1403
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 4: considered native Hawaiian.

1404
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, ridiculous.

1405
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 4: You don't know our lives and how we connect with

1406
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 4: our culture. Culture is more deeper than that. If we

1407
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: just start telling people that they can't learn their language

1408
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 4: or their culture because they don't look a certain way

1409
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 4: or because their percentage is too low, then you would

1410
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 4: see a bunch of cultures going extinct today because people

1411
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 4: are people are going to mix. People are going to

1412
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: be mixed in the future, whether people like it or not.

1413
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 4: But culture gets passed down.

1414
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: It's almost like blaming people for being colonized.

1415
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 4: Like it's like, yeah, like my aunts, I didn't choose

1416
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 4: first of all. I mean, I didn't choose to be

1417
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 4: mixed fall So I love that I can come from

1418
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 4: different cultures and that they're all part of me. I'm

1419
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 4: not only this much Hawaiian or I'm not only this

1420
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 4: much Korean or this much Filipino. I am Hawaiian and

1421
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 4: Korean and Filipino and this and that and whatnot. And

1422
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 4: that's that's how we think here. And I mean, I'm

1423
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 4: married to a Japanese man and our kids are probably

1424
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 4: going to be like more Japanese, but like how I

1425
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 4: raise them is still going to be Hawaiian. They're still

1426
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 4: going to live here, They're still going to be of me.

1427
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's ridiculous.

1428
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, like there should be no punitive aspect to

1429
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 3: who you are, Like that's just yeah.

1430
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I'm sorry, it's my right arm Hawaiian then,

1431
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 4: and I think like my pinky toe is Irish or

1432
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 4: something like. It's yeah, if you think about it that way,

1433
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 4: it's silly. It's like it's all of you. Your ancestors

1434
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 4: live through you fully, and you are the representation of

1435
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 4: your ancestors. So don't say that you're only this much

1436
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 4: or only this much. You are that much and you're

1437
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 4: still that, You're still you. Yeah. Other than that, yeah, representation.

1438
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: I think they're beautifully animated. I love how they look,

1439
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 4: and you know, I feel like they really much represent

1440
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 4: real people who live here. I remember one time I

1441
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 4: was watching Lelo and Stitch with like my friends in

1442
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: high school, and there was a scene where like when

1443
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 4: Nanny's trying to find Lilo and then she almost gets

1444
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 4: run over by cobra bubbles and she was like, what

1445
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 4: do you go? You stupid and then like kicks the

1446
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 4: car and my friends kind of looked at me, they

1447
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 4: are like, you are so like that. I'm like, what me,

1448
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 4: I don't have anger issues? I kind of do, but

1449
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 4: I love that. It's like, how, you know, yeah, we're

1450
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 4: very It's kind of a running joke here about like

1451
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 4: how Hawaiian women are, like Polynesian women are very scary

1452
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 4: and like hot headed, but like not in like a

1453
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 4: negative way, like but like as in they're powerful, don't

1454
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 4: mess with them sort of way. And I am proud

1455
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 4: to reclaim that my husband knows don't mess with me.

1456
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 4: People know don't mess with me.

1457
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 3: I love and with Nanni's character. I mean, it's so

1458
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: I really love how she's written and how she's performed

1459
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 3: in spite of everything we've talked about so far, because

1460
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 3: it's like she is. It's so weird because in moments,

1461
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: like there's some moments where we were like, oh, yeah,

1462
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: she's nineteen, and I feel like that comes through in

1463
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: certain moments where she's doing everything she can to protect Lilo.

1464
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: She has to said Leo, oh my god.

1465
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

1466
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 3: Not Leroy, No, not Leroy and Stitch inferior, but Nanni's character.

1467
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean Lelo and Nanni. It's kind of like it's

1468
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to have it be a contest because

1469
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 3: they're both so wonderful in such different ways. But like Nanni,

1470
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of the more complex Disney

1471
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 3: characters that we encounter period because we're like watching her navigate,

1472
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,919
Speaker 3: not only her and I feel like this didn't resonate

1473
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: for me when I was a kid, because I was

1474
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 3: so like, it's the Lelo show, baby, because you see

1475
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: Lelo active mourning her parents, who it seems has died

1476
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 3: fairly recently. Yeah, and that also ties into why she's

1477
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 3: not fitting in at school at this time because Nanni says,

1478
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 3: they don't know what to say, like they don't know

1479
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: how to communicate with her, and.

1480
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, kids give me mean, oh my god, like.

1481
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: They Myrtle alert.

1482
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah see it with.

1483
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 4: Myrtle Myrtle and her little mean girl minions.

1484
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: Sorry I brought opinions again.

1485
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 3: Yes, but but I mean, but Nanni is also having

1486
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: to deal with this loss. But she can't even really

1487
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: she doesn't have time to grapple with that grief because

1488
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: she has to navigate this abrupt switch from sibling to parent.

1489
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 3: And I feel like it's just done so well where

1490
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 3: their sibling moments are so sibling, and then you see

1491
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 3: like Nanni almost have to like remind herself of like,

1492
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 3: oh no, I have to be a parent now.

1493
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 4: And she's so nurturing, like she is so loving, and

1494
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 4: just the sacrifices she has to make, Like when I

1495
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 4: was rewatching it with my husband, I pointed out, like

1496
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 4: she has like surfing trophies in the bag. She was

1497
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 4: like a professional surfer and she had to give all

1498
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 4: of that up so she can take care of her sister. Yeah,

1499
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 4: and it's just yeah, just imagine being like a nineteen

1500
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: year old, you know, just kind of living your life,

1501
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: like you have a six year old sister whatever. Your

1502
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 4: parents are taking care of her, but you know, you're

1503
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 4: like at that age where you're more independent and you

1504
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 4: do things, and then all of a sudden, now you

1505
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 4: have to like drop everything and take care of your

1506
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 4: kid's sister because there's no other adult that can take

1507
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 4: care of them, which is kind of sad to think about,

1508
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 4: Like they don't have like aunties or uncles that can

1509
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: like help, or grandparents or anything, kind of showing like

1510
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 4: how small their family is. But yeah, and like her

1511
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 4: just kind of being the only one who understands le

1512
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 4: Lo as well, Like how we mentioned earlier with like

1513
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: her wanting to name Stitch Stitch and then the lady

1514
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 4: tried to tell her that's not real name Nanny, Like

1515
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 4: you know, she protects her also, like when Nanny gets

1516
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 4: fired from the LUO and Lelo was like concerned that

1517
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 4: it was her fault, but then Nanny was like, oh no,

1518
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 4: the manager is part of the evil vampires that wanted

1519
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 4: me to join their legion. I'm like she does so

1520
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 4: much for li Lo and protects.

1521
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: Her, and which also shows that they're like it's so

1522
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: clear that they're sisters because they both have these like

1523
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 2: weird little like they're they're goofy, they're silly, they like,

1524
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: they're very creative, they have like a very active imaginations.

1525
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 3: And then was like I knew it.

1526
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: I love Oh, such a good joke.

1527
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it reminds me of like my relationship

1528
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 4: with my sisters too, Like we'll be fighting and we'll

1529
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 4: be hating each other's guts, but then when one of

1530
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 4: us is in trouble, we drop everything to be there

1531
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 4: for each other. So really depicting that, you know, sister

1532
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 4: relationship very well. And yeah, and just also shedding light

1533
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 4: on a lot of issues that we face in our

1534
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 4: community with you know, over tourism, environmental damages, separating Indigenous

1535
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 4: children from their homes, the foster care system, the whole.

1536
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 4: Like again like cobra bubbles approaching us like an American

1537
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 4: government official.

1538
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a lot of weird pros. It's I guess

1539
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: that's something that hit weird for me is that cobra bubbles.

1540
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it feels very two thousand and

1541
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: two also, but like how cobra bubbles and and I

1542
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: guess the Russian scientist alien they get to be a

1543
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: part of the family at the end, and I'm like,

1544
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 3: I feel like they haven't really earned it. I don't know,

1545
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would want them around, But

1546
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: I mean, especially Cobra Bubbles, who is like this representation

1547
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 3: not just of the CIA, it turns out one of

1548
01:23:54,520 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: the most easily hated organizations on the planet, but all

1549
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: so the fact that he represents the foster care system

1550
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: and is still treated pretty like more than neutrallly, like

1551
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: under sympathetically in the end, even though he was about

1552
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: to like take her a separate in an indigenous family permanently,

1553
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 3: and you I mean not that this is like an

1554
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 3: accurate way that a social worker would spend their day,

1555
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 3: but the fact that he clearly had time and resources

1556
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: to help them and instead use the same time and

1557
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: resources to separate them, which I know is something that happens,

1558
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 3: but if you're going to like portray that, I feel

1559
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 3: like it should be with the appropriate amount of criticism.

1560
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 3: But instead they're like, and then he just sort of

1561
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 3: kept coming over and hanging out, and You're like, I

1562
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 3: don't know, yeah, I mean, he seems I loving rams,

1563
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 3: but it just was weird, right. It seemed like he

1564
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 3: was framed as a as a villain, not the villain necessarily,

1565
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: but like as a an antagonistic force throughout the movie.

1566
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 3: But he gets that redemption at the end out of

1567
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: nowhere for no reason, which yeah, I didn't understand why.

1568
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it would have been nice if he could

1569
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 4: have acknowledged something like, wow, none of this was your fall.

1570
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: It was literally aliens just coming in and like making

1571
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 4: it more difficult for you, which I think it's a

1572
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 4: pretty I was talking about this with my husband, a

1573
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 4: very interesting like kind of symbolism of just like indigenous

1574
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 4: issues where we often get blamed for our problems, like

1575
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 4: for poverty, homelessness, unemployment and all that, but not knowing

1576
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 4: just kind of the deeper issues in society, which is

1577
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 4: like capitalism, which is white supremacy, you know, settler colonialism,

1578
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 4: and when you look at how Viti over half of

1579
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 4: the homeless population is Native Hawaiians and we would often

1580
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 4: get blamed for it. It's like, oh, well, they're just

1581
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 4: lazy or they just don't try hard enough, or they

1582
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: want to spend all their money on drugs or whatever, like, well, no,

1583
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 4: it's because you forced an American style of government and

1584
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 4: American way of living on an indigenous nation that has

1585
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 4: been living fine for years prior. But yeah, but it

1586
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 4: would have been interesting for I don't know, gone to

1587
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 4: and Cobra to be like, hey, we're sorry for one

1588
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 4: messing things up, but to also jumping to conclusions for

1589
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 4: things that were entirely out of your reach, not your faulty,

1590
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,480
Speaker 4: love stitch, but it was kind of his fault. But yeah,

1591
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,480
Speaker 4: he apologized, he did, Yeah.

1592
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I did think it was interesting how

1593
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 3: much is brought up, because there are issues that I've

1594
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: never seen in Disney movies or really much kids media

1595
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: in general, brought up in this movie. And so it's like,

1596
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: because it's happening, I guess, I mean, you would want

1597
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: a stronger commentary on it. And I feel like it

1598
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 3: would completely fit within the formula of what these movies are,

1599
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 3: and it would fit within the story and it would

1600
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 3: sort of serve I think, everyone better.

1601
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 2: But I don't know, And I think the movie strikes

1602
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 2: a nice balance of characters dealing with adversity, dealing with

1603
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: the effects of systemic issues that again are not at

1604
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: all their fault, particularly related to class and colonialism, but

1605
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: also seeing the main characters experience joy and love and

1606
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,520
Speaker 2: happiness and just like that nice balance of like acknowledging,

1607
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 2: you know, injustices and systemic issues that bipoc people often

1608
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: deal with, but not like skewing so far into that

1609
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: where it becomes like tragedy porn, which a lot of

1610
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: movies go into that territory when it comes to stories

1611
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 2: about marginalized people.

1612
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I love the moments where they have

1613
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 4: joy is always tied back to Hawaiian culture, like with

1614
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 4: hula and surfing and singing Hawaiian music. Yeah, just those

1615
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 4: things that really ground us and connect us as people

1616
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 4: to our ancestors and just kind of remind us like

1617
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 4: who we are and where we are and what our

1618
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 4: purpose is. Yeah, Like when Lilo was scared that she

1619
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 4: might not dance hula after she punched myrtle, like she

1620
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 4: was like so remorseful, like hula is, especially knowing that

1621
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 4: her mom was a hula dancer as well. So that's

1622
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 4: how she connects to her mother is through hula dancing. Yeah.

1623
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 4: In Hawaiian culture, it's like very patriarchal. A lot of

1624
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 4: the cultures passed down from the mother's side.

1625
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess going back to the sister relationship,

1626
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I also think it's like

1627
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 3: very it's very rare to see sister relationships focused on

1628
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: in kids media, especially kids media of this time. We

1629
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 3: joke on the show all the time that ultimately every

1630
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: movie is somehow about fathers and sons. It's still basically true.

1631
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 3: I hear that that's what the New Mario movie is

1632
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 3: about somehow, which was like, oh my god, oh I

1633
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 3: haven't seen it. But someone was like, it's about fathers

1634
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 3: and sons. I was like, I guess, of course it is.

1635
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 3: It should just be about plumbers and plumbers. But anyways,

1636
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 3: but this movie I think meaningfully diverted from that. Again,

1637
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: not the original plan of the movie. The original plan

1638
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,480
Speaker 3: of this movie was Stitch and a Little Boy in Kansas,

1639
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 3: but early I think, before the setting of the movie

1640
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 3: was switched. The gender of the child was switched, which

1641
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 3: again was unusual because I feel like we get with

1642
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: unless unless there's examples I'm not thinking of off the

1643
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: top of my head. You see, like teenage girls often

1644
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 3: and they're almost always white, and if they're not white,

1645
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 3: they're usually heavily sexualized in the Disney Princess kind of space.

1646
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 3: But you don't see just like kids who are girls

1647
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 3: very often. And I love that Leelo is such she's

1648
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 3: just like the most kid to ever kid. She's such

1649
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: a goofball and she's like so I don't know, she's

1650
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: like such a in some moments, she's such an open wound,

1651
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 3: but she's just like so emotionally like I just I

1652
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 3: just love her so much. And I like that they

1653
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 3: just feel very authentic to like how old they are

1654
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 3: and how they relate with each other, and their sisterhood

1655
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 3: drives this story and I feel like that's really rare

1656
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 3: and beautiful.

1657
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 4: People try to say that Frozen was the first film

1658
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 4: that depicted like sister relationships, Like no, it's Leland and Stitch.

1659
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back thirteen years.

1660
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 3: Obviously very biased, but like Frozen is not doing what

1661
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 3: Leelo and Stitch is doing or what Leelo and Nannie

1662
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 3: are doing, rather like it's just not that it's a contest,

1663
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 3: but it is. That is true, But Lula's ditch the

1664
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:10,799
Speaker 3: movie did win. I wanted to talk character design in particular.

1665
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 3: There's one scene where it's the scene where Leelo comes

1666
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 3: in after having fed pudged the fish a peanut butter sandwich.

1667
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 3: And so she comes into the rehearsal and there are

1668
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: the four other small girls that she's trying to be

1669
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 3: friends with, and then there are five like teenage or

1670
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 3: young adult Native Hawaiian women who are all seemingly the

1671
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 3: same exact design.

1672
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, with slightly.

1673
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 3: Different skin tone and hair color slash length. But I

1674
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 3: was like, that was pretty lazy, right, That's there's no

1675
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 3: body diversity in that group of women at all.

1676
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Definitely not And I found that to be I was

1677
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: noticing little things like that throughout the movie. Oftentimes, unless

1678
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: there was an elderly Native woman, a lot of the

1679
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: Native Hawaiian characters who are like, you know that kind

1680
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: of like twenty ish years old, all seemed to have

1681
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: almost the same exact It's like they designed Nanny and

1682
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: then they just sort of like copy paste, copy pasted.

1683
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 4: I also want to make a comment on the hula

1684
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 4: attire that the Kai like the little girls wear. I

1685
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 4: will just say, no way would they be able to

1686
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 4: wear like a small tube top that shows their mid drift.

1687
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 4: That is not I would say like what the older

1688
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 4: women wear was a little bit more accurate, because like

1689
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 4: it's like covering their mid drift, but especially because when

1690
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 4: you're doing like Cohico traditional style, like you don't show

1691
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 4: your stomach. But yeah, I just thought, like, Okay, what

1692
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 4: the girls little girls are wearing is very kind of

1693
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 4: a white person's perspective, like touristy like postcard with the

1694
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 4: hula girl there. I'm like, that's not what we wear.

1695
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 4: Like the tea leaves, the tea leave skirts were good,

1696
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 4: and like also like they're they're lepol the head lay

1697
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 4: and like they're kind of the bracelets and the anklets.

1698
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, at the red tube top. I know it's

1699
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 4: an iconic look for her character, but I'm like, never

1700
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 4: seen a child wear something like that.

1701
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 3: Probably for the best, Yeah.

1702
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I do agree, But I also kind of knows,

1703
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 4: like in general, like nowadays, like I think when Disney

1704
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 4: makes like a lot of different characters, they do better

1705
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 4: at like kind of diversifying the faces. But I've just

1706
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 4: noticed like older Disney films like they would kind of

1707
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 4: use like the same face model for a lot of things,

1708
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 4: like the the Blue Fairy in Pinocchio has like the

1709
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 4: same face as Snow White.

1710
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 2: So yes, they actually they like recycled a lot of

1711
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: animation just because it, like, I mean, I get why

1712
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: like animation, especially when it was like hand.

1713
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 3: Drawn, which this movie is. I think that this is

1714
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 3: like the last major Disney movie to be almost completely

1715
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 3: two D animation. Dork, so I'm like, and the backgrounds

1716
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,440
Speaker 3: were watercolors. Water color never happens and it's so beautiful.

1717
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Princess and the Frog was a few years later,

1718
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think there was like the last one

1719
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: in that kind of traditional the TWD and then then

1720
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 2: Entangled came after with.

1721
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 4: The three D. But yeah, it would have been nice

1722
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 4: to like see because when you go to like a helal,

1723
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 4: when you go to like a hula school, like, there

1724
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 4: are many different kinds of dancers there. Not all of

1725
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 4: them are Native Hawaiian as well, because anyone can dance

1726
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 4: hula as long as you just learn it properly. But yeah,

1727
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 4: you get plenty kind of dancers there, and if you

1728
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 4: watch like Marry Monarch as well, you see the performers

1729
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 4: not all of them look the same. Like you have

1730
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 4: very different looking dancers. But even just for Native wines

1731
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 4: in general, we come in different shades and appearances and

1732
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 4: different facial features, especially because like I said, a lot

1733
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 4: of us are mixed, so some of us will look

1734
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 4: more Asian, some of us will look a little bit

1735
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,919
Speaker 4: more like white, some of us will look more Hawaiian. Whatever.

1736
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 4: That's kind of the beauty of it being here. It's

1737
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 4: just how unique and diverse it is. But yeah, they

1738
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 4: really set copy paste on the face.

1739
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 3: It's like egregious, and I'm like, yeah, I know what

1740
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 3: you're saying. It's like, yeah, they do that on like

1741
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 3: a lot of animated movies, where it's like, I think

1742
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 3: this movie was fairly low budget for how compared to

1743
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: it is, and they made it entirely in Florida, which

1744
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 3: can have been fun. Well Florida, oh boy, Yeah, they

1745
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 3: didn't even like they outsourced that. I saw like a

1746
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 3: lot of internal This was like the part of the

1747
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 3: oral history that isn't super relevant to our show, but

1748
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 3: I was like interested in it where they're like, yeah,

1749
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: we think the only reason this movie is good is

1750
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 3: because we didn't have to make it in California, so

1751
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 3: kind of no one was paying attention and like we

1752
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 3: were sort of left to our own. We were like

1753
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 3: marooned in Orlando, which sounds miserable, but I guess it.

1754
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 3: I guess it sort of worked out again, You're like,

1755
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 3: why were we not in Hawaii but they were, in

1756
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 3: fact in Orlando.

1757
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, whoops. But yeah, just going back to the character

1758
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 2: design a little bit. I do appreciate that that Nanny

1759
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 2: and lie Low, and particularly Nanni because she has you know,

1760
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 2: she's an adult, that she's not designed like so many

1761
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: of the other Disney female characters of the past. We

1762
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 2: touched on this a little bit already, but you know,

1763
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 2: you have so many Disney princesses like Jasmine and Ariel

1764
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 2: and you know, so many others who were just like

1765
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 2: designed to be unrealistically thin.

1766
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like their waist is the same size as

1767
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 4: their neck their.

1768
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Neck, yeah, and like you mentioned Jamie, like so often

1769
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 2: hyper sexualized. So Nanni was not designed that way. And

1770
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 2: that was like a deliberate effort on the part of

1771
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 2: I guess to give the director, the co director, Chris Sanders,

1772
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of credit. This is a quote from

1773
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 2: Pam Coates, who's the senior vice president of creative Development

1774
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 2: at Disney. She says, quote, I remember Chris Sanders when

1775
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: he was drawing Nanny. He asked our production supervisor to

1776
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: pose for him. Can you pose? Because I want to

1777
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 2: draw your legs on Nanny, which also is maybe a

1778
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: weird request. But anyway, she said, Chris just went there

1779
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: as opposed to having.

1780
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 3: Two weird for animation. But it depends on who's doing it.

1781
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, it depends on I guess the tone

1782
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 2: that you're asking with.

1783
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've worked in animation and sometimes you're like, well,

1784
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 3: not for you, but sometimes you're like yeah, sure, yeah.

1785
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So she goes on to say, Chris just went

1786
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: there as opposed to having to have conversations about, hey,

1787
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 2: can you make a woman look like real women? So

1788
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 2: it seems like Chris Anders just instinctive was just like,

1789
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like design a character who looks like a

1790
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: human and not like a Barbie doll kind of thing.

1791
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love like her. I love her big

1792
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,919
Speaker 4: calves because that is a very common trait among Pacific

1793
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 4: Islander women as well. We're not skinny, and a lot

1794
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 4: of my Native Hawaiian friends and just Pacific Islander friends

1795
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 4: in general, we talk about like how when we saw Nanny,

1796
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,839
Speaker 4: we like, we're like, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful.

1797
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 4: She looks like us, Like we actually felt beautiful because

1798
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 4: you know, growing up we were insecure about how we looked,

1799
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 4: especially me. I went to like a predominantly like white school,

1800
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 4: especially like East Asian school as well, and all the

1801
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 4: girls there were tiny and skinny and short, and I

1802
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 4: was like this tall, curvier, brown Hawaiian girl, and I

1803
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 4: always felt like I was ugly and why couldn't I

1804
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 4: look like them? So just having that representation, which they

1805
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 4: also did the same with Muana as well, I really

1806
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 4: appreciate how they animated her to be actually proportioned and

1807
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 4: not have like a tiny neck and tiny waist and like,

1808
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, risks that look like they can like

1809
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 4: snap off any moment of yeah, and just depicting like

1810
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 4: how they look like. And it makes sense because Nanny

1811
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 4: is a surfer. You know, she's not she's gonna be strong,

1812
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 4: you know if you've seen the women's surfers here and

1813
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 4: have II like they're they're strong, you know, they're muscular.

1814
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like and and the bar is still on

1815
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 3: the floor for stuff like that, but I really like

1816
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 3: it does. It makes a huge difference. And I'm very

1817
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 3: glad that they just drew it's so wild to still

1818
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 3: to be like and they drew people to look like people,

1819
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 3: but it's still just barely done.

1820
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: It's like when a movie feels like a movie.

1821
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 3: Yes, and that, and then also the way that Nanny

1822
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 3: is dressed I felt was more intentional than other than

1823
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 3: other women Disney movies where we do I mean we

1824
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 3: see her. I think the most like the quote unquote,

1825
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 3: like the most sort of like revealing outfit she's in

1826
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 3: is when she's working at the resort.

1827
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 4: Which makes sense.

1828
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, does the resort that caters to mostly white Yeah, vacations.

1829
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 4: They're very sexualized. They're even like the dancers again, like

1830
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 4: I said, like they would wear like the tiny little

1831
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 4: coconut bras or tiny little songs for their outfits, which

1832
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, first of all, coconut bras are not from Haaii,

1833
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 4: that is not Hawaiian, but they still put them in

1834
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 4: that anyways. But yeah, I really liked how she's dressed,

1835
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 4: you know, in like shorts and a T shirt and

1836
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 4: like boots, like she's active and knowing how hot it

1837
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 4: gets here. It's like, yeah, I don't expect her to

1838
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 4: wear like long sleeve you know, anything, because no one does.

1839
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm wearing it now, but it's cold in

1840
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 4: my house. But like yeah, I'm wearing shorts though, but yeah,

1841
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 4: it's very common. But yeah, like you said, like with

1842
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 4: the exception of the the Luau uniform, like everything else

1843
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 4: she wears is like pretty. It's it's nice seeing that

1844
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 4: you're not like focused on her middriff or like her

1845
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 4: i don't know, clavicles or something like the other characters

1846
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 4: like Princess Jasmine. You have to remember she's like supposed

1847
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 4: to be fifteen in that film, which.

1848
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 3: The way, yeah, we still have not gotten justice for

1849
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,600
Speaker 3: Princess Jasmine and that. But also the fact that she

1850
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 3: is like she dresses in a way that is like logical,

1851
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 3: it makes sense, and that her body not constantly being

1852
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 3: fixated on doesn't preclude her from a romantic storyline, because

1853
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 3: I feel like that's another thing that if there is

1854
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 3: a in really and in live action rianimation, if like

1855
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 3: usually a woman's body is not if the sexiness of

1856
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 3: a woman's body is not had, like your eye isn't

1857
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 3: constantly drawn to it, that's not a character that's going

1858
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 3: to have a romantic dressed or a romantic plot line.

1859
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 3: But Nanni, I like I think that again, it's like

1860
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 3: and we can talk about the relationship as well we should.

1861
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 3: But like the I appreciated that where it's like she

1862
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 3: is quote unquote a normal girl in that like she

1863
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: dresses in a way that makes sense, she's a job,

1864
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 3: she has a lot of shit going on in her life,

1865
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 3: and I I mean, I think that there were maybe

1866
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 3: more interesting lines to fill out Nanni's story outside of

1867
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 3: just kind of going straight to love interest. Like you're saying, Lily,

1868
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 3: she has her surfing career. She is also actively warning

1869
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 3: her parents. I think it would have made a lot

1870
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 3: of sense to give Nanni a friend and someone to

1871
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 3: talk to and confide in, but David also sort of

1872
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 3: fills that role. It seems like, I don't know, let's

1873
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 3: talk about that relationship because I'm like biased because I

1874
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 3: love data, but you know, let's talk about it.

1875
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I appreciated how that unfold for the most part,

1876
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:06,640
Speaker 2: where he is like, first and foremost a friend and

1877
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 2: yes he does have a crush on Nanny, but but.

1878
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 3: They talk on the phone at night. It's cute.

1879
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like he's supportive, he seems to respect her

1880
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 2: boundaries when he says like, hey, what are you doing

1881
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 2: later and she's like, now, it's not a good time.

1882
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 2: I have a lot on my plate, and he doesn't

1883
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 2: try to push it. It doesn't seem like he holds

1884
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 2: it against her that she can't date him right now. Anything.

1885
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 4: He tries to help her, like he's you know, he

1886
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 4: finds a job for her, and he like you know,

1887
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 4: helps her with taking care of Leelo as well, because

1888
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 4: that's you know, like her priority is taking care of

1889
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 4: her sister, and it takes a village to raise a kid.

1890
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 4: So I think him just also like acting like kind

1891
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 4: of like another adult and guardian figure in her life

1892
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 4: is really helping nanny. And yeah, and he's doing this

1893
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 4: because he genuinely like cares cares for her.

1894
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does make it seems to be a joke

1895
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 2: where after he's found her job, he says something like,

1896
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 2: you can just date me and we'll call it even.

1897
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: And it's not the best joke. And if someone said

1898
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 2: that to me, I would probably feel uncomfortable if especially

1899
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 2: if I didn't want to date them. But he's never

1900
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 2: like predatory, which is like, wow, the bar is so

1901
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 2: low for men's behavior, But it's.

1902
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 4: A good thing. She likes his button, fancy his bar.

1903
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 3: No, and he does know that, so it felt more teasy,

1904
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 3: But still your Yeah, not the best line, but in general,

1905
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 3: I loved the relationship and I like that he. I mean,

1906
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 3: I'm always pro like, let's give her like a female friend,

1907
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 3: Let's give her a best friend to like bounce it

1908
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 3: off of, especially because it's like, not only are you

1909
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 3: going through a lot, you're also nineteen and that's such

1910
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 3: a critical friend time. But but I mean I like

1911
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 3: that David, like you're saying Kulan like he is a

1912
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 3: really good friend to her, and then it's like we're

1913
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 3: seeing it turn into something more. And then they go

1914
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 3: on a million vacations at the end of the movie,

1915
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 3: and you're like, whoo, that's so nice.

1916
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Here's my the I think you could if if you

1917
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: wanted to read it that because it didn't even occur

1918
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 2: to me that they got together on my first viewing,

1919
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 2: because you.

1920
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 3: May I was like biased. I was like, whoo, I

1921
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 3: love that they're together.

1922
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 2: Now, well, you only really see it in the like

1923
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 2: still images there. Maybe I'd like stop the movie too soon,

1924
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: and like as soon as the credit started.

1925
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 4: I think in the other films in the series they

1926
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 4: kind of established their relationship more.

1927
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: Okay, right, that makes sense. Yeah, because I was like, oh,

1928
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: I guess they do get together, because at first I

1929
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 2: had written in my notes like, oh, you know, he's

1930
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: like kind of presented as this possible love interest, but

1931
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 2: it never culminates, which is like, you know, something that

1932
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 2: I appreciate seeing as far as because I mean, in

1933
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 2: most things where that's set up, it's definitely gonna culminate.

1934
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 2: In like a head or love story, you need.

1935
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 4: To have the kiss at the end as the car

1936
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,560
Speaker 4: which rolls away.

1937
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Exactly, which doesn't happen in this movie. And again the

1938
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 2: only indication that they got together, but also maybe they

1939
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 2: just go on a bunch of friendly vacations. I don't know,

1940
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 2: it's not the most clear.

1941
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 3: But they're making out on vacation, and you know it fine. Yeah,

1942
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate Lila's like I read the diary.

1943
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 2: I know, at the very least, I appreciated that their relationship,

1944
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 2: whether it be platonic or romantic or some combination of

1945
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 2: the two, that it doesn't like overpower the story the

1946
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 2: way that like a lot of hetero love interest narratives

1947
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 2: will like, especially for Disney movies, like that's the core

1948
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: focus of the story.

1949
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's because we've been We've

1950
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 3: been betrayed by so many movies in the past that

1951
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 3: are about one thing for most of the movie, and

1952
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 3: then in the last twenty minutes, all of a sudden

1953
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 3: is about a relationship that you barely care about.

1954
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:01,799
Speaker 4: And this is a little Mermaid.

1955
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's like in this one, at least the

1956
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 3: movie knows it's about Lelo and Nanny and Leelo and

1957
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 3: Stitch and it stays there, which yeah, I was perfectly

1958
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 3: happy with. And I love Leelo and Stitch. I love Stitch.

1959
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 3: I love how we talked about this a little earlier.

1960
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 3: But how Stitch, it's so like it's just so I

1961
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 3: didn't recognize this when I was a kid. I was

1962
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 3: just like he he blue dog funny. But but how

1963
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 3: by knowing Stitch, Lelo is able to see herself in

1964
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 3: a different way and like she's able to interact with

1965
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 3: Stitch the way Nanni interacts with her, And she's frustrated

1966
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 3: with Stitch in the same way that Nanni's frustrated with her,

1967
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 3: but can come to him with a lot of empathy.

1968
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 4: Is this how I act like right.

1969
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 3: And and that she always I don't know, I'm just

1970
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 3: like best kid ever where even when Stitch is like

1971
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 3: tearing apart that weird. Like I did a Picasso joke

1972
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 3: where she's like, that's from my blue period and I'm like, yeah.

1973
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 4: Joel's I love that. When she immediately puts the lay

1974
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 4: on Stitch, he like calms down and just kind of

1975
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, that is such a cool cultural tidbit to

1976
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 4: put in there. Like lays do have like that calming

1977
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 4: factor on them, and you give lay to people for

1978
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 4: like a reason. It's like typically when you make it

1979
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 4: or you like buy it that's been handmade, and you

1980
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 4: give it to someone that you care about and you

1981
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 4: want to give them that aloha. So I kind of

1982
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 4: liked that. It's like this rampaging like alien that's destroying everything.

1983
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 4: He puts on a fresh flower lay and then he's

1984
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 4: just so calm. I'm like, dang, the power of the lay.

1985
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 4: My cool was right.

1986
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 3: They're so like they're so good together, and I yeah,

1987
01:48:57,200 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 3: and I love we were like referencing this early. But

1988
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 3: so much of how Stitch learns to appreciate lelo is

1989
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 3: through her sharing her culture with him. I just love

1990
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:12,799
Speaker 3: their relationship. It's very sweet and that he does unlike

1991
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 3: most male characters throughout movies and also history. He does

1992
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 3: apologize when he realizes that he has messed with the

1993
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 3: family and wants to make it right. I like that

1994
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 3: he and Nanny even get a moment together.

1995
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 4: Okay, she like, waks, I love.

1996
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 3: I know you can't talk, and then he says one

1997
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 3: word and then she freaks out something. It's so great.

1998
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 4: She was like, we had a weird relationship. I still

1999
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 4: don't know how to feel about you, but you rescued

2000
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 4: my sister, so I guess we're okay. Just don't But

2001
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 4: it's kind of cute because I remember also in the

2002
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 4: kind of the ending sequence of the movie, when you

2003
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 4: know they're adjusting to their new life in the new house, which,

2004
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 4: by the way, that new house is beautiful, is definitely

2005
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 4: worth like two million dollars in our standards. I'm like,

2006
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,759
Speaker 4: how did how does she afford that? Hopefully the aliens

2007
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:09,719
Speaker 4: help pay for it, but.

2008
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 2: The property tax is alone.

2009
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like doing the laundry and then he puts

2010
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 4: on I think, like a bikini talk care and just

2011
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 4: starts like going around as a superman, and she's looking

2012
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 4: down at him, like what are you doing. I'm like,

2013
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 4: She's like, I have another damn child, I have to

2014
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 4: take care of.

2015
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 2: It's great.

2016
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 3: Cleilo and Stitch are the best best friends in all

2017
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 3: of movies.

2018
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 2: One of my favorite jokes in the movie is when

2019
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 2: Nanny is saying, oh, the thing's creepy. I won't be

2020
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 2: able to sleep knowing it's loose in the house, and

2021
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 2: then Leelo says, you're loose in the house all the time,

2022
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: and I sleep just fine. Oh that's great. Does anyone

2023
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,839
Speaker 2: have anything else they want to talk about?

2024
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 3: This is a very goofy observation, but I was thinking

2025
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 3: about movies that because they're not a lot of movies

2026
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:05,600
Speaker 3: that feature adoption or the foster care system. And this

2027
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 3: is the worst comparison of all time, But because we

2028
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 3: just covered it on the show, there are parallels between

2029
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 3: meg Leelan, Stitch, and Megan. It's just true. It's just true.

2030
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:20,799
Speaker 3: But Stitch is fortunately he's rehabilitated. He doesn't go full Megan.

2031
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he doesn't kill anyway.

2032
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:28,600
Speaker 4: Is Megan that movie about that robot girl that danceing

2033
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 4: and yes, yes.

2034
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 2: Yes, the TikTok robot Girl. Stitch and Meghan have basically

2035
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:39,680
Speaker 2: the exact opposite arc where like Megan starts off like

2036
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 2: creepy but not super threatening, but then she gets scarier

2037
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 2: and scarier and more murdery as she goes, whereas Stitch

2038
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 2: starts out very destructive and then becomes less and less

2039
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 2: so by the end.

2040
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 3: Yes, I could talk about Leelu and Stitch's friendship and

2041
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 3: how beautiful it is forever. I love the scene where

2042
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 3: Stitch shows I don't know. It's like the idea of

2043
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 3: showing yourself to someone and like trusting them enough to

2044
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 3: show yourself, and Stitches like, here's my alien stuff in

2045
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 3: all my extra arms and she's like what, and then

2046
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 3: later she's like, I love you. It's just because all

2047
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 3: she wants is to be accepted and that's what Stitch wants.

2048
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 4: And she doesn't care that he's an alien. She just

2049
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 4: cared that he like lied to her about it. It

2050
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 4: just shows like just how accepting she is and she

2051
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,639
Speaker 4: doesn't care. I want to talk about the A Little

2052
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 4: Oi scene where Nunny is singing that to lil I.

2053
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 4: Every single time I rewatched this film, I know that

2054
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 4: scene is about to come up, I know what's going

2055
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 4: to happen, and I still cry every time. I'm like

2056
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 4: an emotional little ball of just like sadness and all that.

2057
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 4: Like right as like Stitch is walking up the stairs

2058
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 4: and the ducks are coming out, I was like, oh God,

2059
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 4: here comes the water works. And then she has to

2060
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 4: like tell her sister that I can't take care of

2061
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 4: you anymore, and you're probably going to be taken away

2062
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 4: to like a family, whether it be on this island

2063
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 4: or who knows, she might have to go to like

2064
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 4: a different island because you know, foster kids get moved

2065
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 4: around so much. And just her singing like a lotta

2066
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 4: oi to her, like just the symbolism because first that

2067
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:19,520
Speaker 4: song was written by Queen Lilli o'koleni. She was a composer.

2068
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 4: She's composed many songs, especially when she was under house

2069
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 4: arrest after the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom. She was

2070
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 4: writing songs in the basement of the Lani Palace. She

2071
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 4: first wrote alho Oi as a song for her like

2072
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 4: lover and stuff and just dedicated to him and like

2073
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 4: moments where they would be together riding horses in the

2074
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 4: country and all that. But then the song gets recontextualized

2075
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 4: during the overthrow and the forced American annexation assimilation, and

2076
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 4: then later statehood. It gets recontextualized for Lilli Okoleni saying

2077
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 4: farewell to her kingdom, and then in this movie it

2078
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 4: gets recontextualized of her say that farewell to you alohoa

2079
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 4: way like farewell to you until we meet again, and God,

2080
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 4: it's just so sad and it just makes me think,

2081
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 4: I think Lilo knows kind of what's going on, because

2082
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 4: that's how they communicate, is through their culture. And I

2083
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 4: just loved that touch they put there because that is

2084
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 4: kind of the purpose. That is the purpose of our hula.

2085
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 4: That's the purpose of our music is to like, it's communication,

2086
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 4: it's oral traditions and storytelling. We have olo no ao

2087
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 4: like Hawaiian proverbs. That's how a lot of us, like

2088
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 4: we communicate with each other. She doesn't straight up tell

2089
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 4: her like you're being taken away from me, it's she

2090
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 4: just sings that to her, and I think that just

2091
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 4: clearly tells the message. And I was surprised that Stitch

2092
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 4: to it too. I was like, Oh, has he been reading.

2093
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 2: The Queen's book?

2094
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 4: Does he does.

2095
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 2: With the brain of a supercomputer?

2096
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 4: He is a super Yeah, he probably does. Yeah, But

2097
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 4: it's just every time I watch that scene, I cry,

2098
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I know it's coming up, but why

2099
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 4: do I keep crying?

2100
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of cinema.

2101
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 3: I also I read that or maybe it was in

2102
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 3: the documentary, but that was allegedly that was Tia Carrera's

2103
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 3: idea to put that song there, because she and her

2104
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 3: grandmother used to sing it together, and that that place

2105
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 3: in a way that you're like, oh, it's a Disney movie.

2106
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 3: Of course they were going to do that. They were

2107
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 3: going to put some like weird original song in there.

2108
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 3: And then when Tia Carrera read the script this like

2109
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 3: came out years later. She was like, well, I think

2110
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 3: this would actually fit much better, and this is a

2111
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 3: song I would sing with my grandmother. And then when

2112
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 3: she was in the recording booths, she called her grandma

2113
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 3: to make sure she was getting the words right, and

2114
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 3: it was just like a family moment. That was very sweet.

2115
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 4: I'm glad that they let her do that. I'm surprised

2116
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 4: they weren't like, now, we are the Disney overlords. We

2117
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 4: choose what goes on. You can't now, but good choice

2118
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 4: on them, because I can't imagine any other song put

2119
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 4: in there. And she does a beutiful job she's an

2120
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 4: amazing singer.

2121
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, definitely the last thing I wanted to touch

2122
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 2: on real quick, kind of back to the conversation about

2123
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 2: bodies was related to Lelo's photography collection, because she seems

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01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 2: to take pictures of white people who are in Hawaii

2125
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 2: on vacation, as if to say, like, these outsiders are

2126
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: coming to my home, like treating my home as a

2127
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 2: tourist spot, probably not respecting the culture or the land.

2128
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 2: Because there are so many accounts of that happening unfortunately,

2129
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 2: So that's all very valid, but there is this like

2130
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: fat shamy element to it because it seems like all

2131
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: the people she takes photos of are fat. It's not

2132
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 2: directly said in the movie, but the implication feels like

2133
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: it's shaming these people for various things, including their bodies

2134
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 2: and their size. But other than that, there weren't any

2135
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 2: like well, I guess there's one other. I felt kind

2136
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 2: of ageist tropes being used with a character who only

2137
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 2: shows up in a really quick scene, Missus, because she's

2138
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 2: an old woman who is portrayed as being like oblivious,

2139
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 2: she doesn't really understand what's going on around her, who,

2140
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 2: by the way, is voiced by Amy Hill. Who he

2141
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 2: talked about recently on the fifty first Dates episode. Because

2142
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 2: she plays Sue, She's also been cast in the live

2143
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 2: action remake.

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01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think she's playing Tou Tou or something.

2145
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:52,720
Speaker 2: Yes, who is the grandmother of David according to early

2146
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 2: journal Wikipedia, so.

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01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 4: They kind of have new characters in there. Yeah, I

2148
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 4: can understand the criticism of Missus hasse Gaua's depiction. I

2149
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 4: will say though, like I know a lot of Missus

2150
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 4: hasse Gauas and a lot of people here know, like

2151
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 4: we all have that one like old Grandma or Auntie

2152
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 4: and her family that you have to kind of yell

2153
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 4: at them because they can't hear what you're saying. And

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01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 4: so I mean from again, from my perspective, just born

2155
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 4: and raised here, growing up here, I saw it as like, oh,

2156
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 4: that's funny because we all know that one Auntie who's

2157
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 4: like that, and it's kind of like more endearing. But

2158
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 4: I can also see the criticism of just like her

2159
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 4: kind of being like the butt of the joke because

2160
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, because you know who knows she's you know,

2161
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 4: these even though they can't hear very well, you know,

2162
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 4: they have a lot of experience and a lot of

2163
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 4: knowledge in them. And yeah, I do feel that because

2164
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 4: I always laughed.

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01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 2: At her scene.

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01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 4: She's like, what, I can't talk, I'm waiting for the application.

2167
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 4: Oh that's my that's my ad in the newspaper. It's like, yes,

2168
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 4: that's why I'm here.

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01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 2: It is funny, but yeah, yeah, it's open to interpretation perhaps, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Does this is kind of this? I love that this

2171
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 3: is a no brainer. Does this maybe pass the Bechdel test?

2172
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 3: Yes, like for I think the better. I mean, I

2174
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 3: guess that the main passes are between nney and and Lilo,

2175
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 3: but there's plenty of conversations between I mean even they

2176
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 3: don't have to be positive interactions. It passes between Myrtle

2177
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 3: and Leelo. It passes between I'm trying to think of

2178
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 3: other combinations that there might.

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Speaker 4: I guess Sunny and that beautiful lifeguard when she was

2180
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:43,200
Speaker 4: trying to get the job. Yes, yes, yes, yeah they would.

2181
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 4: They would have been good friends. I think they do

2182
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 4: have interactions in like the series or some I have

2183
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 4: to rewatch the series.

2184
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 3: But I haven't watched it forever, but I loved it.

2185
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 3: It was like after School Staple, the only other main

2186
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 3: character who's a who's not a man in the story

2187
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:06,440
Speaker 3: is the person in charge of space.

2188
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh, the Grand councilwoman.

2189
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 3: And I also just wanted to shout out every I

2190
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 3: see this on Twitter every so often, just images of

2191
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 3: Plekly disguised on Earth, because normally they're like disguised as

2192
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 3: a like hetero turist married couple and Pleckly, you know,

2193
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 3: uses he hymn pronouns, but is dressed in drag for

2194
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:33,240
Speaker 3: those scenes, and he goes viral pretty often being you know,

2195
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 3: being praised as an icon. And I just wanted to

2196
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 3: shout out and agree with that.

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02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he knows that he's a baddie. He's gonna rock

2198
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:46,400
Speaker 4: that out. He's like, gone to You're not not was

2199
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 4: his name again? Not gone to.

2200
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:50,280
Speaker 3: Jama.

2201
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 4: Look at me mixing up the names. But I'm like,

2202
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 4: he's like, Drama, you are not wearing that dress. It

2203
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,280
Speaker 4: looks better on me. You wear the mustache, you wear

2204
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 4: the old dad hat. You're gonna be that I'm going

2205
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 4: to be the star.

2206
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,120
Speaker 3: And it seems like I'm like, Wow, I think that

2207
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,720
Speaker 3: they're kind of together by the end of the movie,

2208
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 3: although jump On must pay for his crimes, but yes,

2209
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,760
Speaker 3: but also I just I love when characters are in

2210
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 3: are in drag or just like not wearing gender nonconforming clothing,

2211
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 3: and it's not like super like what is happening, Like

2212
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 3: that's just a part of the story and that's I

2213
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:29,600
Speaker 3: think what it holds up.

2214
02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other characters like don't care at all. They're

2215
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 4: just like okay, they're they're.

2216
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 2: They're they're like you do you exactly plekly.

2217
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:39,879
Speaker 3: I love it and pletely is going to do pletely

2218
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not.

2219
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2220
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So our nipple scale, where we rate the movie

2221
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 2: on a scale of zero two five nipples based on

2222
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:56,560
Speaker 2: examining the film through an intersectional feminist lens, I will

2223
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:01,839
Speaker 2: give this four nipples. I'm taking a little bit off

2224
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:07,480
Speaker 2: for mostly just like the kind of behind the scenes things,

2225
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 2: like the kind of missteps in casting, the insistence of

2226
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 2: all of these white men who are like, yeah, I

2227
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 2: acknowledge that this is not my story to tell, but

2228
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it anyway.

2229
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that those same I mean, I'm

2230
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 3: pretty sure that like all these guys are still alive,

2231
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 3: kicking and working, and like if you did feel genuine

2232
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:35,919
Speaker 3: like it was wrong of me to take that project

2233
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:38,760
Speaker 3: on or even take that project on solo without being

2234
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:40,680
Speaker 3: more inclusive. Then you would think that would be the

2235
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:43,440
Speaker 3: sort of person you would want to speak out against

2236
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 3: another white guy directing the newly lowed Stitch, like demonstrate

2237
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,120
Speaker 3: it with your actions and not just like trying to

2238
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 3: sound good in an interview. I hate that, Genni.

2239
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Okay, people are so bad at holding themselves accountable.

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02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 3: They're liars anyways.

2241
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, there was just and it does

2242
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:07,360
Speaker 2: seem like the filmmakers did a fair amount of research

2243
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 2: and wanted to be careful about representing the people and

2244
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:16,800
Speaker 2: the culture authentically, and it seems by and large they

2245
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 2: were successful. You know, Lily, you pointed out some things

2246
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 2: that did not feel authentic, or that felt a bit

2247
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 2: cartoonish or exaggerated or just incorrect in general. So as complicated,

2248
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they put in some effort, but

2249
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:35,920
Speaker 2: not enough, because if they actually put in the right

2250
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 2: amount of effort, they would have relinquished creative control and

2251
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 2: hired Native Hawaiian directors, screenwriters, composers, costume designers. Yeah, exactly.

2252
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:56,080
Speaker 2: But otherwise, like the movies is lovely. It's featuring characters

2253
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 2: who I love their relationship. I love that they are

2254
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 2: just like such fully fleshed out, distinct characters. The movie examines,

2255
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 2: you know, them dealing with issues that a lot of

2256
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 2: Native Hawaiian people and marginalized people in general deal with,

2257
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 2: while also again like showing the joy and the love

2258
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 2: not just kind of you know, negative struggling aspects of

2259
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:29,440
Speaker 2: their life, but also like the positive, loving parts of

2260
02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:32,760
Speaker 2: their lives as well. And so yeah, I'll give it

2261
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 2: four nipples. I will give Tuta, Lilo and Tudor Nanny

2262
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:39,600
Speaker 2: as simple as that.

2263
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,960
Speaker 3: I'll meet you at four nipples. I agree with everything

2264
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:47,320
Speaker 3: you're saying. Yeah, I think that this movie made many

2265
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 3: mistakes that I don't mean it just sound like it's

2266
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 3: dismissal by saying like it is extremely of its time,

2267
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,120
Speaker 3: and the fact that this movie is doing above average

2268
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 3: in terms of research for being of its time speaks

2269
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 3: poorly of that time time. And I think that it

2270
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 3: is extremely frustrating that I mean necessary, but still frustrating

2271
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 3: that these conversations are so similar to what they were

2272
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,840
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two, and that the same poor

2273
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 3: decision making that's like, I mean, just institutionally white supremacist

2274
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 3: driven decision making is still taking place at the same company,

2275
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 3: even though the company seems like they have a supposedly

2276
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 3: vested interest in not fucking up to the extent that

2277
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:36,080
Speaker 3: they seem to constantly fuck up. It's almost like it's disingenuous.

2278
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2279
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 3: I would love for the new Lulo and Stitch live

2280
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:45,760
Speaker 3: action movie to be good. I guess we'll see what happens. Yeah,

2281
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,760
Speaker 3: I guess we'll just leave it at that. But originallylo

2282
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,760
Speaker 3: and Stitch, it's it certainly has its issues. I'm very

2283
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you were here, Lily. I like, we're

2284
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:56,840
Speaker 3: huge fans of your work, and I us like we've

2285
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 3: learned so much from you, and I highly recommend all

2286
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 3: of our listeners check out your work as well because

2287
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:05,640
Speaker 3: it's also very funny. I really enjoy it.

2288
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 4: Thank you. I was happy to hear that your viewers

2289
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:12,600
Speaker 4: wanted me on this podcast. I was like, oh wow,

2290
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 4: that's so cool.

2291
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:19,080
Speaker 3: People know me number one suggestion truly, and we're krusty

2292
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 3: and we're not on TikTok very much, so we were like,

2293
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 3: oh great, and then we found your work and we're like, well, like,

2294
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:24,760
Speaker 3: you're just.

2295
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 4: Zing always on TikTok. I don't know how I'm getting

2296
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 4: my Masters. With the amount of time I spent on it,

2297
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,040
Speaker 4: I had to like I had to like put my

2298
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Speaker 4: phone down and just be like, Nope, got to do

2299
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Speaker 4: my thesis. You can scro You'll have plenty, You'll have

2300
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Speaker 4: the rest of your life after you graduate to scroll

2301
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Speaker 4: on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: It's that's the beauty of it can confirm. But but yeah,

2303
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:50,040
Speaker 3: I mean I but but I'll give it four because

2304
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,880
Speaker 3: there are things that this boofy does that still really

2305
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,880
Speaker 3: I think resonate the focus on sisterhood, prioritizing we didn't

2306
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 3: really talk about this, but prioritizing like a young girl

2307
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:05,480
Speaker 3: like figuring out how she sees herself. And I love

2308
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:08,800
Speaker 3: that she. The two relationships are with a sister and

2309
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:09,680
Speaker 3: then a friend.

2310
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 2: I just love them, both of whom are very supportive

2311
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 2: in the way that Leelo wants to express herself exactly.

2312
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 3: You're like, this is a beautiful family. Okay, So I'm

2313
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:26,040
Speaker 3: not crying, and I'm going to give two nipples to

2314
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:29,680
Speaker 3: Lilo because she's just the MVP, and then I'll give

2315
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 3: one to Nanny and one to stitch nice Lily.

2316
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 2: How about you.

2317
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 4: I agree with you, guys. I give four chee cheese

2318
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 4: to Lilo and Stitch as well. And yeah, I'll give

2319
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 4: one to Lilo, one to Nanny, one to missus Hasegau,

2320
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 4: and give one to David because we all need a David.

2321
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:52,960
Speaker 4: We all need that supportive friend.

2322
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 2: Fancy hair.

2323
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:59,440
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe we all have that supportive a friend with

2324
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 3: good butt and good hair. What a beautiful thing, Jamie,

2325
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm right here. Oh sorry that that Caitlin is that

2326
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:10,800
Speaker 3: friend for me. And that's why I'm going to tell

2327
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 3: you on the show. I'm in love with you.

2328
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:15,480
Speaker 2: Right, I keep forgetting that they get together at the

2329
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 2: end anyway, So who knows, Jamie, anything could happen like

2330
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 2: never say never. Well, Lily, thank you so much for

2331
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:26,200
Speaker 2: joining us. This has been an absolute treat. Come back

2332
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 2: anytime for any movie you'd like to discuss. Yeah, bring

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Speaker 2: us far movies A yeah, and where can people follow

2334
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:34,920
Speaker 2: you online? Check out your work?

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Speaker 4: You guys can find me on TikTok at. He E

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Speaker 4: Lily Lunney. So that's h I I l I l

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Speaker 4: y l A n I. So it's like a combination

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Speaker 4: of my Hawaiian name he E Lenny and my English

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Speaker 4: name Lily. So he E Lily Lenny. My friend Crystal

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Speaker 4: came up with that, so I just kind of went

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Speaker 4: along with it. I think it's cute. I'm also on

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Speaker 4: Instagram at Eluney Lily because I don't know why didn't that,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm very active on those two social media accounts. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so you can find me on there. And also if

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Speaker 4: you want to see some of my acting work, look

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Speaker 4: up the University of Haama Hawaii Theater program Kahala Hanakayaka.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of YouTube videos of some Hawaii theater

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Speaker 4: shows that I did. It's one of them is called

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Speaker 4: hey leo Aloha h e l e oh aloha, and

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Speaker 4: then there's whole Oilina so h okina oh i l

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Speaker 4: i n a Yes I can spell. So yeah, where

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Speaker 4: you can see some of my acting work, and you

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Speaker 4: can also watch theater made by native Hawaiians for native

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Speaker 4: Hawaiians also in our language.

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Speaker 2: Yeah amazing, And we'll link that stuff as well on

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Speaker 2: our social media and stuff so that people can easily

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Speaker 2: find it. And yeah, you can find us on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and Twitter at Bechdel Cast I almost said my own name,

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Speaker 2: oops at Bechdel Cast. And you can subscribe to our

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Speaker 2: get two bonus episodes every single month, plus access to

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Speaker 2: the back catalog of over one hundred bonus episodes. This

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Speaker 2: month is May, so we have done Back to the

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Speaker 2: Future and Office Space because those were my birthday month picks.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I had Megan on the brain, because

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Speaker 3: we did Megan and Life Size in April with dolls

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Speaker 3: that are doing too much month. It's what I'm calling you,

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Speaker 3: Lifeline life Size is so good. Yes, And you can

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Speaker 3: get our merch over at tea public dot com slash

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Speaker 3: the Bechdel Cast. And with that, let's get in the

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Speaker 3: space tic tac and uh and and something something blessed

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Speaker 3: off got a blass that's mean.

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Speaker 2: Wow, amazing, dismount. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm sick, Bye bye, Helloha