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Speaker 1: Uh Andy Gribble alongside Jason Gibbs. Coming up on the

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Speaker 1: program today, lands Are Line from NFL Network and NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft analysts out with his latest mock draft.

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Speaker 1: He'll join us our own mock draft. Two point ohs

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Speaker 1: are officially out in Zagora will join us. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the program, Gribbs says, we take a look

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Speaker 1: at the hit list. It's all about the Pro days,

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Speaker 1: and this seems to be the bulk of the Pro

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Speaker 1: If it's a big program, they're more than likely having

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Speaker 1: Pro days don't mean that much. They're just showcases to

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Speaker 1: Is there one Pro day that if you were going

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Speaker 1: before we get to Lance Gribbs, I do have to ask,

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Speaker 1: because last Friday was an absolute crazy day around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And it's nice as a Browns fan to watch all

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Speaker 1: a look at the stories making news across the NFL

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Speaker 1: this week as we get ready for the draft and

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Speaker 1: our chat with Lances Erline, NFL draft analyst. Guy is

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Speaker 1: very very good at what he does. His latest mock

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Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills because he was all over the five offensive

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Speaker 1: And I really wondered how much he had off the

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Speaker 1: edge as a as a speed rusher, because I didn't

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Speaker 1: see him get one sack around the edge where he

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Speaker 1: beat his guy. And then he goes to his workout

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Speaker 1: and his workout is fine. But I talked to a

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Speaker 1: couple of scouts were in attendants who said he just

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Speaker 1: looked a little stiff, And I think what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see is he's played one year defensive line. He one

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Speaker 1: year of tape. He was a former wide receiver. That's

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Speaker 1: an opt out that really, you know, it's left a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions. There's no real questions with Mica Parsons

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Speaker 1: from a football standpoint during your questions with Gregory Rousseau

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Speaker 1: about hey, we got one year take the guy opted out.

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Speaker 1: He's only played one year a defensive end and the

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Speaker 1: production looks great, but it's not really the production we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see at the NFL level, Like that's not how

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get his sacks. So you're left with a

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Speaker 1: ton of question marks with Gregory rus So. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons now is teams don't

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Speaker 1: like to do They like to do as little projecting

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Speaker 1: as possible when they're dealing with first round picks, and

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Speaker 1: he's a lot of projection lands. Appreciate the time before

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Speaker 1: we let you go. I know, last year you are

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Speaker 1: our officionado when it came to tackles, especially the left

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Speaker 1: tackle position, and we end up taking a right tackle

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Speaker 1: and Jedrick Wills converting into left tackle. He had a

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Speaker 1: pretty impressive year. Your your thoughts and takeaways, un Jed

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Speaker 1: Wills after rookie year here. Yeah, I think he's the

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Speaker 1: best tackle in the draft class um without the respect

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Speaker 1: to Tristan Worse and played great. I think will Is

461
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Speaker 1: moving from right to left is very very impressive, and

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Speaker 1: I was I was pleased with what I saw from him.

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Speaker 1: I thought that he did a really nice job of

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Speaker 1: of in the run game and pass blocking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect, he still got some room for improvement.

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Speaker 1: But my takeaway was that the Browns made the right

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Speaker 1: pick and they were lucky that he fell to them

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Speaker 1: where he did, because they're gonna be very happy for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Thanks to lands are Line, NFL draft

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Speaker 1: analysts at the NFL Network at NFL dot com, for

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Speaker 1: his time great insight into this year's draft, now just

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Speaker 1: a few short weeks away on the shores of Lake Erie,

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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, we go now to another celebrity,

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Speaker 1: see you. It's social distance through the wall, through the glass.

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Speaker 1: You're in one room, I'm in another room. Gribble in

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Speaker 1: his palatial estate and guys, my draft two point oh.

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Speaker 1: Gribble assign us the task and the duty of coming

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Speaker 1: up with cock draft two point oh. Here's the best.

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Speaker 1: You said sinus like we're going to talk about a

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Speaker 1: it's just it was great. No, No, you'll have that

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Speaker 1: my draft two point oh. Now, there was a text

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Speaker 1: message between two out of the three people on this

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Speaker 1: group about mock draft two point oh. I was not

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Speaker 1: on that text. I took ninety minutes to put together

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Speaker 1: one through thirty two, not me, not me to the

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Speaker 1: last one. If you had looked at the article and

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Speaker 1: how we formatted it, we went nineteen to thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Curse word. Apologies already, but I already apologized the first

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Speaker 1: time for making you go that long. Even though I

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Speaker 1: didn't use it. I did it again. I overachieved. Gribbs.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for Thank you though for the direct text

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Speaker 1: message to me letting me know, because I appreciated it

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Speaker 1: and I followed the assignment perfectly. In fact, originally it

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Speaker 1: was twenty said, actually, let's do nineteen thirty two said

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Speaker 1: that's no album, that's no problem. Thanks for letting why

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Speaker 1: the nineteen gribble that's the playoff teams? Okay, alright, team

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. That's why Gribble is

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Speaker 1: just a new new era of Brown's football coverage. Here

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Speaker 1: we're just talking talking about playoff teams. Let the other

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Speaker 1: teams figure out their their situation. The Browns will work

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Speaker 1: on their own. I don't remember the Bears being in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs? Is that sad? Yeah? Alright, it was memorable.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get down to it. The Browns at pick six.

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Speaker 1: As I take a look at all three of these Gribble,

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Speaker 1: who did you take a pick number twenty six and why? So?

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Speaker 1: We're gonna file this under wishful thinking, which I think

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Speaker 1: all of us are, because I just don't think we

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Speaker 1: know how to project the number twenty six pick. But

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Speaker 1: I went with a defensive and Gregory Rousseau of Miami,

512
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Speaker 1: who he was maybe one of the most prominent players

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Speaker 1: early on to opt out for the season because he

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Speaker 1: was fantastic in two thousand nineteen, put up huge numbers,

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Speaker 1: uh tons of sacks. But it's I'm starting to wonder,

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Speaker 1: and you look at these mock drafts, you look at

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Speaker 1: what's happening with Micah Parsons and some of these other

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Speaker 1: players who OpEd it out. It's it's like they're not

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Speaker 1: as interesting to folks anymore, and they're they're slipping a

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Speaker 1: little bit in the mock drafts. And and just for

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Speaker 1: an example of kind of the the range I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: in mock drafts, you know, CBS Sports dot Com does

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Speaker 1: a great job with basically everyone on their payroll doing

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. Uh and and he Gregor Rousseau is ranked

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Speaker 1: as high as number eleven in someone's mock draft, and

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Speaker 1: others he's not even in the first round, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's he is truly all over the map. He had

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Speaker 1: a teammate in Miami who had a great year in

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Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, who maybe is getting a lot more attention

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Speaker 1: than even he is at this point. And I look

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Speaker 1: at the Browns needs at pass drusher and I consider

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Speaker 1: it a big one. And I think a player like

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Speaker 1: Russo could grow into a great role with the team

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Speaker 1: and may not have the urgency to contribute right away,

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Speaker 1: so checks all the boxes. I hope he's there at

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Speaker 1: number twenty six. That would be a nice option to

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Speaker 1: have for Andrew Berry and company. Is a girl who

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Speaker 1: did you take it pick? Well? In my first mark,

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Speaker 1: I had Jeremiah Ousu Coramoa as kind of that safety

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Speaker 1: hybrid linebacker, and now with the signing of John Johnson,

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Speaker 1: I think that that that's off the table. So I

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Speaker 1: shifted my focus and I think the two areas you

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Speaker 1: could go would be defensive end as Gribbs did, um

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Speaker 1: or corner, and so I went corner with J. C. Horne,

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Speaker 1: And I think this is definitely wishful thinking that he

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Speaker 1: would be there at twenty six. It seems that, especially

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Speaker 1: with the injury that Caleb Farley, who as many people's

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Speaker 1: the number one corner but the back injuries causing him

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Speaker 1: to fall down a little bit, Horn goes sometimes I've

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Speaker 1: seen him in the twenties, which is why I made

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Speaker 1: this reasonable, but sometimes he goes sixteen to Arizona seems

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Speaker 1: to be a match that they like for him. But

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Speaker 1: basically what I just said is, look, I still think

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Speaker 1: there's some real smoke to this Clowney thing. I think

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Speaker 1: there's actually fire to Jadeveon Clowney potentially becoming a Cleveland Brown.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, corner is probably the biggest need,

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Speaker 1: and I think without Clowney you can make the case

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Speaker 1: the corner, defensive end or are one two and I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't argue if anybody said defensive end is more than

560
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Speaker 1: need or corner. But I'm gonna focus on corner here.

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Speaker 1: I think you need more corners than we have right now.

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Speaker 1: I want to say that, you know, Denzel is gonna

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Speaker 1: put in a sixteen game season. I want to say

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Speaker 1: Greedy's gonna come back after the year off and show

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Speaker 1: and improve on what we saw as a rookie. But

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Speaker 1: we're all about competition. We're all about defensive backs. That's

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Speaker 1: what Joe Woods knows, that's what he loves. They help

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Speaker 1: the guys up front get to the quarterback. And so

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Speaker 1: j C. Horne is big, long, athletic, he's got great

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Speaker 1: ball skills, he's feisty, he's a he's a guy who

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Speaker 1: takes some calculated risks and it usually pays off for him.

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Speaker 1: So I think directionally, adding another corner is going to

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Speaker 1: be high on the priority and so look, we'll horn

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Speaker 1: be there. I don't know, but if Caleb Farley falls,

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Speaker 1: that's a guy that you can wait for him to

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Speaker 1: be ready because of the guys that you already have here,

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Speaker 1: and he could end up being a total steal. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is an excellent corner draft, especially down here where

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Speaker 1: we are, because you've got Farley, You've got a c Horn.

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Speaker 1: I think Patrick's retained. The second will be off the

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Speaker 1: board for sure, but Greg Newsome out of Northwestern, you

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Speaker 1: got Tyson Campbell, Elijah Molden, Asante Samuel Jr. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of corners that people like in that late

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Speaker 1: first round, you know, early second area, and the Browns

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity I think to either stay there at

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Speaker 1: twenty six and pick one, maybe even move back and

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Speaker 1: get one, or or if they love one like Farley's

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Speaker 1: there and some of the guys goes we talked about

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Speaker 1: earlier today give a is maybe they move up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We have nine picks, We're not picking nine players,

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Speaker 1: so I think we have some flexibility here to go

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Speaker 1: after we want. But you know, if whether it's a

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Speaker 1: Rousseaux or whether it's a Jason Oway, or whether it's

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Speaker 1: a Jalen Phillips, or what's one of these corners, I

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Speaker 1: think the Browns in in great shape either way. I

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Speaker 1: ended up going with Jason Owa from Penn State, the

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. I just think that there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: run on corners. Everybody seems to be moving up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Newsome's stock is rising. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: those top four or five guys are gonna be off

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Speaker 1: the board, and then maybe that pushes one of these

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Speaker 1: defensive ends down. And that's how I ended up taking

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Speaker 1: Oh again, corner defensive end one A, one B. Flip

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Speaker 1: flop them, do whatever you want. Those are the two

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Speaker 1: biggest needs for this team still going into the draft.

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Speaker 1: And if you can come out of the first round

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Speaker 1: with one of those two positions, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. Um when you take a look

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Speaker 1: at your mox and again nineteen through thirty two. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are right in front of us at twenty four,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens right after us at pick number twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: and there's the girl. I'll start with you. Who did

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Speaker 1: you have the two A f C North rivals going

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Speaker 1: after the Steelers taking offensive tackle Jalen Mayfield out of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: And really, I just think you look at what their

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Speaker 1: biggest need is. It could be a pass rusher their team.

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Speaker 1: I think they could take one of these edge guys,

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Speaker 1: but I also think their biggest need is on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Poundcy retired Villanueva as a free agent. So

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Speaker 1: I went with an offensive lineman there and it could

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Speaker 1: end up being Landon Dickerson and we saw doing cartwheels

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Speaker 1: and Mac Jones pro day to replace Pouncy and step

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Speaker 1: right in at center. And then for the Ravens, I

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Speaker 1: went back and forth. I think that if A zs O.

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Speaker 1: Gilry were still on the board, I have him going

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. If you were still on the board,

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Speaker 1: that would be a great fit for a Ravens team

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Speaker 1: that lost you know, their their top pass rushers. But

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Speaker 1: I gave them Terrence Marshall from L s U. I

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Speaker 1: know they signed Sammy Watkins, but I think they know

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Speaker 1: they need to get better at receiver. I kind of

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Speaker 1: would be happy if they drafted a receiver in the

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Speaker 1: first round because I just don't think there's enough football

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Speaker 1: for Hollywood Brown and Terence Marshall and Mark and it's

635
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Speaker 1: just not up throwing there. So I think that would

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Speaker 1: be I would like that pick for the Ravens. So

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers, I went with a name that's been

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Speaker 1: popular with Browns fans and with mock draft people predicting

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Speaker 1: what the Browns are gonna do, and I went with

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Speaker 1: linebackers Avin Collins from Tulsa. I think that that you

641
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Speaker 1: saw obviously Bud Dupree's gone also under the radar a

642
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Speaker 1: little bit, but Vince Williams was released by the Steelers

643
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Speaker 1: as well, and I think that they have a need

644
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: at that position, and and I just don't know if

645
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: the if they just want to go plug and play

646
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: with that left tackle right away in round one, we'll see,

647
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: but they definitely have a need at that tackle position

648
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: as well, so wouldn't surprise me either way. And then

649
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens, I went with another name that had been

650
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: common with the Browns but is no longer uh, and

651
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that's safety Travon Murray got of TCU. I just think

652
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: he looks to me and this is this, this is

653
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: when you know you've reached it as a as a

654
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: as a team. He looks like a guy that could

655
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: play for the Ravens, just the safety that is going

656
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: to be a pain in your butt for the next

657
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: ten years. And I think he's the best in the

658
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: draft at the position, and he's someone that that looks

659
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: like he could fit their defense. And I think that

660
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: for them the Ravens that like, like Nathan said, that

661
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: the wide receiver. You wonder, could they really force someone

662
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: in and get much out of him this year. I

663
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: think that if they're looking for someone that's gonna make

664
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: an impact this year, it could be a safety like that. Yeah,

665
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: I think both the Ravens and the Steelers they've got

666
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: glaring needs on both sides of the football like that,

667
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: and you could see him. Steelers could go offensive line,

668
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: they could go linebacker, and it would not surprise me

669
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: if the Ravens went defense. Again, I'm with a girl,

670
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: I would love it if they went offense and they

671
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: went wide receiver because again, I just you're gonna need

672
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: someone to get the ball to him, and I don't

673
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: know how many times the game you're actually gonna throw

674
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: the football. So, uh, something to watch here in the

675
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: coming weeks. All right, was there a guy as you

676
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: were putting this mock together that you said, and Grimma

677
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: will start with you on this one, where maybe a

678
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: pick number two three right in front of Pittsburgh You said,

679
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: maybe the Browns. I could see the Browns moving up,

680
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: and for the most part we talked about them either

681
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: staying standing pat or moving out of the first round.

682
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: But is there a guy that as you put this together,

683
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you thought to your of the Browns can move up

684
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: ahead of Pittsburgh maybe to take this guy. Well, there's

685
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: there isn't someone in the nineteen to thirty two that

686
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: I included that I could see maybe the Browns making

687
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: a move up for. But I'm I'm maybe a little

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: bit less optimistic about the Nathan with j C. Horn

689
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: making it down to twenty six, and he he's a

690
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: cornerback of the caliber that if if you're trying to

691
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: make a move up to get better at that position,

692
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: either him or someone like Greg Newsom out of Northwestern,

693
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee he's gonna make it to twenty

694
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: six either. He looks like I had him in my

695
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: mock draft going to the Colts just because it looks

696
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: like a guy that the Colts are draft to play

697
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: corner of the taller guy that the smart guy that

698
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: can play. I mean, it just fits what you think

699
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: what the Colts have been have been doing on defense

700
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: for these last few years. So those two corners, I

701
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, if the Browns make a move up,

702
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I would think you're making a move up for a corner,

703
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily a pass rusher, because it seems like there

704
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: is a handful of pass rushes that can make it

705
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: down to twenty six. Yeah, I agree, And I was

706
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: thinking corner. You know, I think you need to get

707
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: ahead of the Steelers. I think you can't rule out

708
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: them taking a corner. They kept Joe Hayden, but they

709
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: let Mike Kilton go and Steven Nelson go. I think

710
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: that you know, everybody you mentioned a good point with

711
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: the Colts. The Titans let Malcolm Butler go. They could

712
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: be interested in a corner, although they a lot of

713
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: people think they're going defensive end. The Bears let Fuller go,

714
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: maybe they want to replace him in the draft. With

715
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: the corner, I think if you are going for a corner,

716
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: you are gonna have to get up into the teams.

717
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably the way that it would go.

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: And I think that is the only thing that Browns

719
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: would if, for example, you know, certain goes at ten.

720
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: You've got you know j. C. Horn goes sixteen, and

721
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: we love Newsom where we love Caleb Farley. Maybe one

722
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: of them goes. I could see us trying to get

723
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: to eighteen or try to trade with Washington get to nineteen.

724
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: And say let's get up there. Let's get our guy

725
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: that we have, you know, three or four in this tier,

726
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: these are the ones we want. Let's go get them

727
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: and secure. But I agree, I think if there is

728
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: a trade out for the Browns, it would be for

729
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: a cornerback rather than probably an edge rusher. Is Farley

730
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: worth training up for? Like giving up a sizeable amount

731
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: knowing the injury situation? How far up are you willing

732
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: to go? Whatever? If you like him and your evaluation

733
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: is that he's great and you're not word your medical

734
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: team is not concerned about the because my understanding of

735
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: it and grips correct me if I'm wrong, because I

736
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: haven't done that much research on it, but is that

737
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: this isn't a necessarily a long term or a career

738
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: altering type of an injury. Just he wasn't able to

739
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: work out at his pro day with his back injury.

740
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: You know, Pro football focuses him as the number one

741
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: corner on the board. Mel Kiper's guy. We just did

742
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the top tens on Brown's Daily. He's got him as

743
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: the number one corp on the board. There are a

744
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: lot of people that have Farley is the top corner

745
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: in this draft. So if you like him that much,

746
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think you can go get him. And

747
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: remember when you're moving where we're what we're talking about,

748
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, twenty six to eighteen, it's not costing you

749
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: future ones or any of those things. So you definitely

750
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: can make moves like that if it's if it's necessary

751
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: to do so. And I could see the Browns, you know,

752
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: being interested in that. It just depends on their evaluation

753
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: of them in the medicals. But whether that, I think

754
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: you can put in any name, whether that's Farley, whether

755
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: that's J. C. Horne, who could be potentially on the

756
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: board that point, you know, whether it's Newsome if they've

757
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: decided they really like him, it's Comps Marcus Peters and

758
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: he's been a great player in this league. So I

759
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of a lot of options

760
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: out there. Obviously, GRIBs your thoughts on that, you know,

761
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: I just think that it's it's again it for me,

762
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: it's almost all about the medicals. I mean, that's that's

763
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: what's what it's gonna come down to you. You You don't

764
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: make a trade up in a draft if if what

765
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: you get back is you know a little bit of

766
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean, that's that's that's

767
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: where when you look at guys with medicals, it's where

768
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: you it's you pick them at spots where the risk

769
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: is worth it. You saw with where the Jaguars got

770
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Miles Jack a couple of years ago,

771
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith with the Cowboys, players like that. So trading

772
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: up to with a guy with medical questions, it's got

773
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: to get the full sign off for medical for me

774
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: to be all about it, because you just don't want

775
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: it to be something that just lingers and and is

776
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: always a problem because as we know, corner is a

777
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: position where these guys get hurt a lot. Anyway. I

778
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: mean that the moment you have something tweaked with your hamstring, ankle, anything,

779
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: and you're not at a harm sent it's not an

780
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: injury that you can really gut through. It's not a

781
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: position where you can get through injuries because if you're slower,

782
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get beat. So I think that I would

783
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: just need the medical clearance to before I can make

784
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: a decision on that. Alright. Any surprise either when you

785
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: were putting this together, biggest surprise or is there a

786
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: name that you left out that you went back and

787
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: you said, boy, that guy had picked thirty three or

788
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: in the first couple of picks of that second round

789
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: would look mighty nice. I don't know for me if

790
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: there was anybody that was necessarily a huge surprise. I

791
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: think that it's kind of the usual suspects. I do

792
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: know that, you know, because I don't have a full

793
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: firm understanding of necessarily the Zaven Collins. He's not in

794
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: my nineteen thirty two, but maybe he when at eighteen.

795
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: What's to say we only did nineteen to thirty two

796
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: and that he's not there. But I think that there

797
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: are immensely talented and I think we know this. The

798
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: running backs, for example, I don't have any of them

799
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: in the first round, and so I think a team

800
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: that wants a Travis Eti and or Nagi Harris, those

801
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: are guys are gonna be studs. But you know, do

802
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: you take them in the first round. And I tried

803
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: to fit one of them in late Maybe to the

804
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: Bills would be a team that could be interested in

805
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: the running back um. But for the most part, I felt,

806
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, they're there are gonna be talented running backs

807
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: available early in the second round, They're gonna be very

808
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: good receivers. They're still still gonna be good corners, and

809
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: maybe some of these pass rushers are even gonna make

810
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: it down there. So running back is probably the biggest

811
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: names in terms of overall town. It's just a man,

812
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, they're Unfortunately for them, they play running back,

813
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: so I don't know where they slot in groups. Yeah,

814
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: in general, I'm having a tough time with a couple

815
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: of these guys who opted out last year, and I

816
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: think that one of them being the guy put to

817
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: the bronze in twenty six or so. And then the

818
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: other one who I realized I didn't even have in

819
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: my nineteen at thirty two was Micah Parsons from Penn State,

820
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: who as recently as the mock dress, I was just

821
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: looking at someone hasn't going to the Browns at number

822
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: twenty six, I mean there, so he's someone that could

823
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: be in the mix there. And then secondly, I'm having

824
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: the trouble fitting all the pass rushers it. I got

825
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: down to number thirty two and I realized that I

826
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: hadn't put Jason away anywhere and hadn't put Quitty pay anywhere.

827
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: So if you look at mine. You could either assume

828
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: that I think Quitte pay is gonna go one throre

829
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: eight team or not in the first round. So it's

830
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: just that there are a lot of pass rushers, and

831
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: I know that it's not there is no not really

832
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: an elite one, but there's just a lot that are

833
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of falling in the same area. And I do

834
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: wonder because as much as teams want to say they

835
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: don't draft for me, that you're just not going to

836
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: see all these pass rushers go. I just wonder if

837
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: one of these guys are a couple of them slip

838
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: into the second round, which I think could be a possibility. Alright, gentlemen,

839
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