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Speaker 1: start this thing by talking to Charlie Castle. Anytime you

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Speaker 1: by making these emotional decisions and then they're behind the

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Speaker 1: eight ball. Well, a little bit of everything. As far

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Speaker 1: as the planning part of it, you always have to

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Speaker 1: have a list. You never know when the owner is

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Speaker 1: gonna walk down the hall and says, hey, tell me

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Speaker 1: the guys out there that we should look at for

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Speaker 1: a new head coach because it could be an emotional

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Speaker 1: point during the season. So you gotta be ready for that.

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Speaker 1: And you learn that, Okay, I learned that. You gotta

437
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Speaker 1: learn it because your head coach might retire and not

438
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Speaker 1: unexpectedly like Joe Gibbs did uh in in UH March

439
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Speaker 1: of you gotta be ready, So you learned to be

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Speaker 1: ready with that part of it. So you started after

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Speaker 1: the hiring cycle right now, so like in February, at

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Speaker 1: the combine, I'll be grabbing eyes. Hey tell me how

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Speaker 1: so and so interviewed. Tell me about your list. So

444
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Speaker 1: by March, I've got the oldest set up, and I

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Speaker 1: know who's not coaching that year, who I think is

446
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Speaker 1: a good coach, like a Bruce arians out out of here.

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Speaker 1: So Bruce is gonna be on this list. I'm not

448
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Speaker 1: doing much with it, but I've got it research based

449
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Speaker 1: on the current information. So I'm ready. As I go

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Speaker 1: through the season, the owner comes in, I got something,

451
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Speaker 1: They're ready for him. It's not gonna be complete, but

452
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a starting point. Um. So that that's

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Speaker 1: the thing there. And obviously you may not be changing

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Speaker 1: head coaches, but the head coach could retire. That's the

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Speaker 1: one that got me see at that point, but it

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Speaker 1: was after March. You were limited on who you could

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Speaker 1: hire anyway at that point in time. So now on

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Speaker 1: the UH making the emotional decisions. The owner makes all

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Speaker 1: the decisions. Okay, the general manager doesn't. The general manager

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Speaker 1: can have significant input though, because the owner is gonna

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Speaker 1: listen to him in most cases. So again you have

462
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Speaker 1: to try to be balanced in it. And and again

463
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Speaker 1: it can come down to the last two games of

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Speaker 1: this season. Sometimes it's shouldn't, but sometimes it does happen

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Speaker 1: that way. You know, Charlie, this has been um terrific

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Speaker 1: in terms of like just kind of getting a better

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Speaker 1: understanding because you know, sometimes on the outside looking in,

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Speaker 1: when I hear the names that are are thrown out

469
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Speaker 1: for like the hot coaching candidates, it always appears to

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Speaker 1: be a coordinator, whether it's a defense coordinator, offense coordinate

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Speaker 1: excuted a little more towards offense of late, but it

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Speaker 1: appears that everything that you've asked and everything that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about, not at one point in a fifteen or

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Speaker 1: twenty minute conversation have we talked about scheme and and

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Speaker 1: and how you play and so is that part of

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Speaker 1: it a little overrated on the outside, like in the

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Speaker 1: media world. And I know we're in the media world now,

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Speaker 1: but I would like the thing that we're a little different.

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Speaker 1: Do does the media take the schematics and the technical

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Speaker 1: part and make it too much of a deal. When

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Speaker 1: they're talking about coaching candidates and guys who are worthy

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Speaker 1: of being head coaches, I'm not sure they do. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I was one thing I forgot

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Speaker 1: to mention what Rooney. Three guys he hired. I guess

485
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Speaker 1: in fifty years, all one super bowls. None of them

486
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Speaker 1: were a head coach. They were all in their thirties,

487
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Speaker 1: and they all were the defensive coordinator, not offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: He made a comment to one person, he says, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I like, hiring defensive guys. They managed the

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Speaker 1: game better. Though. That was an interesting comment that he made.

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Speaker 1: Their Uh No, it's leadership. It's leadership. Can you lead?

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Speaker 1: If you can't lead it, they'll make any difference where

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Speaker 1: you can call plays. Now what happens though, Bucky? In reality,

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Speaker 1: when teams hire, they're usually reactive. They're not leadership. First.

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Speaker 1: What do we gotta fix New York Jets. We got

496
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Speaker 1: to get our quarterback better. Okay, we're gonna hire a

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Speaker 1: quarterback guy, Adam Gaze, So that that's what we want.

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Speaker 1: Somebody with some head coach, Well, that's it. Never talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, is this guy a leader. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he is or he isn't, but you have that too

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Speaker 1: many times. We want to hire an offensive guy. We

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Speaker 1: got to hire a guy who's a disciplinary Okay, good?

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Speaker 1: Does he know football? Okay? Can you hire a coaching staff?

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Speaker 1: So I think what happens is teams focus on that.

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Speaker 1: I think the media goes maybe too far with it sometimes,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's an accurate statement to say

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Speaker 1: many times, Hey, they're gonna go get an offensive guy Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I hear the story they want an offensive guy. Wal

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Speaker 1: That's not what it would be if they were asking me. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's funny. Is great. I do want to tap

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Speaker 1: into it because you did work with one of the

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Speaker 1: best coaches in NFL history and Joe Gibbs. Um, just quickly,

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Speaker 1: what did you learn from watching him coach the team

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Speaker 1: that you believe that if you were sitting in the

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Speaker 1: room hiring a potential head coach, or you could advise

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Speaker 1: a potential head coach, what nuggets would you take from

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Speaker 1: your experience with Gibbs to pass on to an inspiring

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Speaker 1: head coach. Well, I kind of alluded it to earlier.

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Speaker 1: But the number one thing and Joe Gibbs, the number

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Speaker 1: one thing you do is hire people. That's the single

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Speaker 1: most important thing to do. Now, Joe Gibbs not only

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Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls, but he's went to NASCAR and

523
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Speaker 1: when four or five championships there is in the Hall

524
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Speaker 1: of Fame, what's the what's the uh common thing? Hiring people?

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Speaker 1: So that's the number one thing. Can this guy pick people,

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Speaker 1: pick players, and pick coaches, that's number one. Number two

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Speaker 1: I think with Joe was his ability to give you

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Speaker 1: a clear vision on what you're looking for Bucky, as

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Speaker 1: you know as as a scout, Hey, this is the

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Speaker 1: kind of player at each position we're looking for. Gibbs

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Speaker 1: was the clearest guy ever worked for. So there was

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Speaker 1: a vision on offense and defense of every position and

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Speaker 1: what he wanted and what the defensive coaches wanted. Because

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Speaker 1: he didn't spend much time with the defense. He let

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Speaker 1: them pretty much run it. He got involved the things

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Speaker 1: weren't going good. Other than that, uh, he let them

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Speaker 1: run it. So vision of what you're looking for quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you one. He wanted a guy with

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Speaker 1: a big arm. Now the guy's got to be smart

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Speaker 1: and tough, and he better be smart and he better

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Speaker 1: be tough. Okay, but a big arm we got arm guy.

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Speaker 1: He won't he didn't want to do him because that

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Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't in his offense. So you got that. Now.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is ability to adapt. Slash solved problems.

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Speaker 1: I gave you the adaption. When he comes in, he's

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Speaker 1: running the spread offense. And uh, back in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: early eighties, at that point what we call the spread

548
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Speaker 1: three wise and the one back tight end. It didn't

549
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Speaker 1: work all of a sudden with two tight ends power

550
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Speaker 1: running team because that worked with the team. So he adapted. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now he still wanted to throw the ball deep. He

552
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Speaker 1: just had to do it in a little different way. Um.

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Speaker 1: The other thing was, I'll give you a story here. Uh,

554
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Speaker 1: the running shoot came into the league. This is about

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety when we faced it, and we we couldn't

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Speaker 1: stop that. He wants to give it up forty points

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and and the team come out

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Speaker 1: and play spread against this bookie Bucky. We know up

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Speaker 1: thirty points, we couldn't stop anybody. What Joe Gibbs did

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Speaker 1: in the off season is he brought in h. R. C.

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Speaker 1: Slocan was the coach of Texas A and M how

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Speaker 1: to defense the running shoot in college. Then he brought

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Speaker 1: in another coach to say, here's how we teach it. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So he brought in the guy to teach it, and

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Speaker 1: the guy defended and from that our defensive coaches got

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Speaker 1: a plan. The next year we played seven teams that

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Speaker 1: ran spreader running shoot, helping the twelve points a game

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Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. So what's he doing? Okay, it's he's adapting.

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Speaker 1: He's adapting to the game when it changes. He's adapting

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Speaker 1: to the players he has. So the ability to adapt

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Speaker 1: was great with gibbs Um and picking people, those were

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Speaker 1: the two things. And and in setting a vision. Those

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Speaker 1: are three things that stuck out to me. Uh, tremendous coach.

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Speaker 1: It is a tremendous coach. I remember, obviously as as

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Speaker 1: as a kid having close tests to the d C area.

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Speaker 1: The riskins were always a favorite in watching it. Charlie,

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for this graduate school level

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Speaker 1: education on picking a GM and a head coach. Uh,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for sharing. Thanks for joining the Move

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Speaker 1: to six podcast. I look forward to bring you back

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Speaker 1: on to talk about college players and everything that we

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Speaker 1: can discuss when it comes to the evaluation process in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Buggy, Hey, it's always a pleasure gonna be

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Speaker 1: with you now. Hey, thanks so much. Charlie. There you

585
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Speaker 1: have it any time. Uh. You're able to get that

586
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Speaker 1: kind of knowledge from someone who really knows it certainly

587
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: helps you as you begin to look at the process.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest takeaways for me after talking to

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Speaker 1: Charlie about that is, Man, so much of what you're

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Speaker 1: doing when you're hiring has little to do with the

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Speaker 1: xs and ohs and more about the person, the leadership ability,

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Speaker 1: the character, the adaptability, being able to problem solve, having

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Speaker 1: great communication skills. Regardless of whether you're hiring a general

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Speaker 1: manager or head coach, you need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: these people have the essential traits needed to succeed. If

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Speaker 1: you don't do that, you're gonna mess it up. So

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Speaker 1: now let's let's let's pause for a minute. Let's think

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Speaker 1: about the games this weekend. We have the NFC Wilker Weekend.

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Speaker 1: We have exciting games. We have a ton of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that we want to see. Let's bring in Charles Davis

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Speaker 1: to preview the NFC Action. Well, man, it's always a

602
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Speaker 1: good time when I get to bring in my good friend,

603
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Speaker 1: maybe one of my mentors in the business, Charles Davis, analyst.

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Speaker 1: We're NFL Network Fox guy who knows everything about everything

605
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Speaker 1: in the world, including football. How you doing. I'm doing great, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays yours. And I can't believe we've turned the

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Speaker 1: page and here we are two thousand and twenty. Unbelievable, man,

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Speaker 1: it is unbelievable that we are in. But look, this

609
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Speaker 1: is the best part of the football season. We're now

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Speaker 1: in the postseason, the playoffs, and I know you have

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Speaker 1: been up on it. You're seeing all these scenes. First,

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Speaker 1: before I ask you about the NFC, um, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts going into the playoffs about just the best

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Speaker 1: teams in general? Oh man, we'll start, you know, on

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Speaker 1: the A f C side, because New England's always going

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Speaker 1: to roll off your tongue first. But it feels to

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Speaker 1: me like this is the most vulnerable they've ever been

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Speaker 1: in this run. And the reason I say that is

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Speaker 1: they were planing at historic level on defense, but they

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Speaker 1: never played at historic level or even close to that

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Speaker 1: on offense all year. And then when the defense you

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Speaker 1: know had as much as they could take, and so

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Speaker 1: they're still hanging in there. It's tough for them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Miami comes in and get you in your

625
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: own place when you have something to play for. I

626
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: think alarm bell should be ringing, and they're gonna play

627
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Speaker 1: on wild Card weekend for the first time. She's two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Yet there's still the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 1: so they'll get our full respect. But I think if

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Speaker 1: I were a team now, I would go in with

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Speaker 1: as much confidence as possible. I do think that on

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Speaker 1: that side, dealing with Baltimore, dealing with Lamar Jackson's gonna

633
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Speaker 1: be difficult. But the team I fear the most is

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Speaker 1: the playoffs begin with the Kansas City Chiefs because they

635
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Speaker 1: started to play defense down the stretch. Steve Spagnolo's you

636
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Speaker 1: know what was that great quote that um Denzel Washington

637
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Speaker 1: hadn't remember the Titans when he handed the defensive coaches

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Speaker 1: playbook and the guy said, the other assistant said, but

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Speaker 1: it's off. We didn't playbook. He said, Hey, we don't

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Speaker 1: do a whole lot split vier. But it's like novacaine.

641
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: They take some time, but it works every time. I

642
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: mean Look, it is so true that the d AFC

643
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: is really compelling. Kansas City in Baltimore, the way that

644
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: they play, you're really good teams in the Buffalo Bills

645
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: that are kind of solid all the way around. The

646
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans have discovered themselves with Derry Henry and Ryan

647
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Tannehill playing solid ball into Mike Grabel. There are a

648
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: lot of good teams when you look at the the NFC.

649
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: At the top, you have the San Francisco forty nine

650
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: is the Green Bay Packers, the New Orleans Saints. What

651
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: do you think about those teams at the top before

652
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: we talked about the wild Cars, Well, I think San

653
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: Francisco getting that open week is huge for them because

654
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: they were really really tired going down the stretch, but

655
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: they found a way and just thinking a matter of

656
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: what three weeks they lost the game on to play

657
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: at the goal line with Julio Jones because of his

658
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: physical presence, he found the tip of the phone pall

659
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: over the goal line and then the same play happens late.

660
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: But it's Jacob Hollister who has the ball in the

661
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say wrong arm, let's say the

662
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: opposite arm, right great tackle by Drake Greenlaw, but that

663
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: ball is in the other arm it's a touchdown. So

664
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: that's how close it was for San Francisco. I thought

665
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: they got tired at the end of the year, but

666
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: they fought through it and got what' done what they

667
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: needed to get done. That was huge for them to

668
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: not have to go on the road to make a

669
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: cross country trip to Philadelphia. New Orleans. I think is

670
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: the most complete team overall because of Drew Brees. But

671
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Drew Brees and a dome is a

672
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: lot different than Drew Brees at lambeau Field or Drew

673
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: Brees and bad weather in San Francisco. So that's the

674
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: key for everything. San Francisco getting that home field is huge.

675
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: And Green Bay they just sit back and go, you

676
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: know something, you don't respect us. We may be an

677
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: ugly thirteen and three, but we're thirteen and three. I

678
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: just think Bucky that during the playoffs at some point,

679
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to be the Aaron Rodgers we knew

680
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: from the past, and that's what it's going to There's

681
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna be one game in there somewhere. Well, he'll help

682
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: to do that. And someone besides Davante Adams got to

683
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: step up big for Green Bay. Yeah, those look at

684
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: two top teams. The San Francisco forty nine is the

685
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: ability to run the football and run the football at

686
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: against everybody certainly enables Jimmy Garoppolo to kind of ease

687
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: into the game. And then let's let's let's be frank.

688
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Roppolo has been terrific when they've needed them be

689
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: couch in the hand. I think does a better job

690
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: of any other coordinator outside of Sean Payton in terms

691
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: of creating home run opportunities for his quarterback. The game

692
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: is so easy when I look at San Francisco for

693
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, so you worry about them just because their

694
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: offensive efficiency is so good. But defensively they've kind of

695
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: come back to the pack. And then with the Green

696
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, I think the thing that is hard sometimes

697
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: to kind of wrap your mind around. With the Green

698
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, you're so used to seeing this team kind

699
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: of enter the ring like Deante Wilder, like knocking people

700
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: out with Haymakers, but they've kind of morphed into Floyd

701
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Mayweather Jr. Being a counterpuncher where they're leaning on the

702
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: running game and the defense and other aspects of the

703
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: team outside of Aaron Rodgers. You just wonder which fighter

704
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: is going to show up in the playoffs, um, because look,

705
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: they certainly can go the distance, but they also could

706
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: be a one and done team just as easy. That

707
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: is so true. And and their ability to play defense,

708
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I think has been the story of their season. And

709
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: remember for all those years, you know they didn't pick

710
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: up free agents, right, not not high ticket free agents.

711
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: They wouldn't got the Smith brothers right, and that has

712
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: made all the difference of the world. No other duo

713
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: going into the last weekend the season had twelve or

714
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: more sacks out of each person in the duo. Green

715
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: Bay had that. Preston Smith had a career year, so

716
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: did za Darius Smith, and Zadarius Smith is going to

717
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: get votes for NFL Defensive Player of the Year, NFC

718
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, and he didn't get voted

719
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: into the Pro Bowl, Okay, but he had half sacks

720
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: this Minnesota two weeks ago, thirteen and a half on

721
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: the year, and then he chased the heck out of

722
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: David blow, the rookie quarterback for Detroit on on Sunday,

723
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: and created more plays. This guy has had a monster

724
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: year and Green Bay unless someone can be dedicated to

725
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: the run and beat them up and beat them out

726
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: of there's five and six defensive backs look on every

727
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: down until they can do that, those hybrid run around

728
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: and hold you down. Look, Bucky. The last five games

729
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: of the season, the most points they gave up were

730
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: to Detroit on Sunday. Prior to that, they then giving

731
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: up fifteen or more in a game and fourth straight.

732
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Now they were they were playing terrific heading down to stretch.

733
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: This bye week will certainly helped him. And you're right,

734
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: as long as you have number twelve the beauty and

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: having a franchise quarterback to that level, you don't need

736
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: him to be great all the time. You just need

737
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: to be great so much time. And if one of

738
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: those instances happens in the playoffs, they're going to advance

739
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: because we've seen the magic and and and thinking about

740
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: magic um quarterbacks. Drew Brees all time leader, all the

741
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: things that he's been able to accomplish this year. He

742
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: goes into the postseason kind of having an opportunity to

743
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: exercise some demons against the Minnesota Vikings. What do you

744
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: see when you see this matchup, well, I think that Minnesota.

745
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: We know how good they've been on defense under Mike Zimmer.

746
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: I feel like their windows closing on that side of

747
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: the ball, and they've got to get it done and

748
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: get it done now. Because when I watch didn't playing,

749
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: I had a chance a couple of opportunities. They blew

750
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: out Philadelphia at home UM in a game where Stefon

751
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: Diggs went off and everybody went off because Philly Corners

752
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: just warned up to snuff. Sidney Jones were sold, Dougles

753
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: struggled like crazy that day. And I also saw that

754
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: in Kansas City in a really good game. But you

755
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: know that that that defense that we were used to

756
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: with Mike Zimmer were on third down, Zim gat exotic

757
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: and strangled you and you were getting maybe thirty of

758
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: those that numbers up, and that's not normal for Minnesota.

759
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: So that's one thing that's a danger zone for me.

760
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: We can go into the Kirk Cousins thing all day long.

761
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, but the numbers are the

762
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: numbers of the numbers, prime time, big time games, and

763
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: numbers just aren't good for him. Plus you've got Dalvin

764
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Cook beat up, Alexander Madison beat up. They're both supposed

765
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: to be back, but will they be on that New

766
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: Orleans defense. I know it was a shootout with New

767
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Orleans and San Francisco, but all in all, I like them.

768
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: The trouble they're gonna have now is can that defensive

769
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: front absorber strong run game because Rankins is hurt right

770
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: up front. I mean, they've got a couple of guys

771
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: missing in that interior that they were counting on. But

772
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: I do think that at home Drew Brees with Michael

773
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Thomas and crew, it's hard for me to think that

774
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: New Orleans want to advance out of that grouping. Yeah, look,

775
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough matchup when you look at

776
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: it for the Minnesota Vikings because it all depends on

777
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. They are a completely different offense when Davin

778
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: Cook is available, when he's on the sideline, When he's available,

779
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: man that zone stretched games, the boot leg in the

780
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: in the in the pasting that they have with the

781
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: complimentary threats and Adam Thieland and Stefan Diggs and Kyle

782
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Rudolph and Ur Smith Jr. They can really do damage.

783
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: But he has to be available to slow this down.

784
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: And I think this is one of the games where,

785
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: if you're looking from a tactical standpoint, it has to

786
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: be the Minnesota Vikings using their offense to play defense.

787
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: That means slowing the game down, draining the clock on offense,

788
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of playing keep away. I'll call it Wisconsin basketball.

789
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: They gotta play Wisconsin or UVA basketball. Uh, kind of

790
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of hold and retain possession and see if they

791
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: can front straight the Saints by not giving them their

792
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: normal possessions. Meaning Drew Brees is on the isiline for

793
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: a long time and maybe he feels like he has

794
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: to rush some things. But this is a game where

795
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the uphill battle For the Minnesota Vikings, I think it

796
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: would take a great defensive effort and some turnovers for

797
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: them to win. But I kind of think you're right

798
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: the minute. The New Orleans Saints are to balanced and

799
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: too deep on both sides of the ball to kind

800
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: of fall short in this one. I love the breakdown, Bucky,

801
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and I'm with you on all of it. The one

802
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: thing I'm going to add, and I don't know what

803
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: you think about it, if I'm Minnesota and I get

804
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: into a situation where you're feeling like you're matching up

805
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: pretty well in this game, I'm gonna make Drew Brees

806
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: beat me deep. You're not in front of me, okay,

807
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm making him throw it over my head, and I'm

808
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: telling my safeties, I need you to be involved down

809
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: field because I want to see him stretch it out,

810
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: you know. I want to see him stretching, to stretch

811
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: that arm a little bit and see what we have.

812
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: You go back to the playoff game last year. You

813
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: remember how they blew out Philadelphia mid season last season

814
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: and they had that beat up second arey Well, essentially

815
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: the same secondary showed up about six weeks later in

816
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: the divisional playoffs and the first player of the game,

817
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: Drew challenged them downfield, had an open receiver and was short,

818
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: and Travono Blonde picked off the pass. I would I

819
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: would fight. I would make him beat me that way,

820
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: as opposed to him doing what he normally does with

821
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: his incredible dart throwing self. Because think about this, isn't

822
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: it the last three years in a row he's broken

823
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: his own completion percentage record in the NFL. That's just

824
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: off the charts. I mean to continue to be that

825
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: good in that precise I'd sit on those short routes

826
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: and say, throw it over my head and let's see

827
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: what happens. You know, Charles is one of those things

828
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: that I wanted sometimes been watching games, like why people

829
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: don't challenge their receivers. Could when you really look at

830
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: their team, not only with Drew Brees and his arm

831
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: strength kind of waning and diminishing. I don't see a

832
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: burner out there. Look, Michael Thomas is a bully. He

833
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: wears people out. He will beat you up. But I

834
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: think it has to be a situation where, man, you

835
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: you choke those guys on the outside. You double team

836
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas and maybe Albrica Mark Kisses ten or eleven passes.

837
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what you're scared of. Your linebacker can't match

838
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: it with him. But at some point you gotta make

839
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: Trey Kwon Smith and and and and and Tigging Junior

840
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: and those other guys make plays. I do believe you're

841
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: ont something we will see in the Minnesota Vikings. Do that.

842
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: I want to go to the other game, though, Seattle Seahawks,

843
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, the philip Eagles come. I have no

844
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: idea if I was calling the game, I would need

845
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: a big roster chart with all these new names highlighted,

846
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know how they made their way in,

847
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: but they're in it and they're taking on the Seattle Seahawks.

848
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: Break this game, now, oh boy, you are so you're

849
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: so on top of that, because when I watched Sunday

850
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: after our game ended in Detroit, we stayed over to

851
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: watch it, and I don't know how many times across

852
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: the table someone said, who's number six team, who's number

853
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: eight team, whose number whatever? Because and we've had Philadelphia

854
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: this year, so we all pulled rosters. You know. I said, oh,

855
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: that's Deante Burnette from USCA. Okay, now I got it.

856
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: Didn't realize he was playing this week. Arthur J. J R.

857
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Thinka Whiteside has been playing, but not very much. Greg

858
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Ward was signed off the practice squad the last time

859
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: we saw it, when he first made his appearance against

860
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Seattle this year at all, that's the first time they

861
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: pulled him up off the practice squad. We knew about

862
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard, but we didn't expect Zach Hurts to be gone.

863
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: But think of it this way, and you pointed out

864
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: so well, Carson Wentz, think of all the criticism he

865
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: has caught, think about all the rumblings within his own

866
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: locker room, and some people have said it's come from

867
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: his receiving corps. Alshon Jeffreys not playing, DeShawn Jackson's not playing,

868
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: Nelson Aglor's not playing, and Carson Wentz is playing the

869
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: best football of the last three years for him. I

870
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: don't know if there's something to that or not, Bucky,

871
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: but it seems like he is playing free. He is

872
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: playing loose, and you almost feel like he's gonna walk

873
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: into the locker room on Monday and go well for

874
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: all you guys who are hurt and been criticizing me,

875
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. These guys are

876
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: getting it done. What else to tell you? And it

877
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: is a crazy scenario, isn't it? Because what team would

878
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: think that you'd be so called better? And I don't

879
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: know if better is the right word, but they're good

880
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: enough right now? Now? Are they matched up well with

881
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Seattle d answers. No, But here's a couple of factors

882
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I look into and tell me what you think. Seattle

883
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: just had a flat out and I know this is

884
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: the wrong word to use because war is real. But

885
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: let's keep it in football terms of war. That was

886
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: a football war on Sunday night with San Francisco. Now

887
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: you've got to go across country. Now, Seattle does a

888
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: great job of travel across country. Their record is impeccable

889
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: under Pete Carroll. But still you're going across country and

890
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: playing a team that everyone expects you to handle. They

891
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: are in the position now flipped of what they wore

892
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: the year they went seven and nine, won their division

893
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: and beat New Orleans at home in a playoff game

894
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: that gave us Beast Mode and Beast Quake, remember that one.

895
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: They are now the New Orleans Saints in this situation,

896
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: and here's Philadelphia playing with house money. To me, it's

897
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: a very dangerous game for Seattle. They should win it,

898
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go out and say that they

899
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: flat out will. It wouldn't shock me at all because

900
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: the upsets always happened. This is a prime one for Philadelphia.

901
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: But I will say this that roster is unbelievable. That

902
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: they even made the playoffs with it and look unbelievable.

903
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give credit to Doug Peterson. I think

904
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: this is one of the best jobs that I've seen

905
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: in terms of Look, man, they didn't have much available

906
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: to him, he was able to figure it out and

907
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: in game he has been able to adjust with guys

908
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: falling like flies. I think that's a credit to him

909
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: and his coaching staff for being a say Boston Scott,

910
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean really unbelievable like who they've been

911
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: able to play with the screen game and working inside out.

912
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: But you know, back to your point about Carson Wentz,

913
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: because I look, I'll go and reckon and say that

914
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: maybe look, I like him as a prospect, But then

915
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: I felt like it went too far to the left

916
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: where they were saying a m v P and he's this,

917
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: and he's that, And I believe the last four weeks

918
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: we have seen it the epitome of a franchise quarterback

919
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: is supposed to be. A franchise quarterback is supposed to

920
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: elevate those around him. And the fact that he played

921
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: with a bag of uh misfits and miscast, miscast and

922
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: cast offs and whatever you want to say for these

923
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: guys that were are practice squads, are off the street,

924
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: and he's been able to win with them. I think

925
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: it not only changes the standing, uh for him on

926
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: the national level. I think in the locker room he

927
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: has clearly sees the team and those guys that were

928
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: talking maybe the alshon Jeffries to Nelson Aguilars I can.

929
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I think it's very easy for the Eagles to move

930
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: on from them and to continue to empower their franchise

931
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: quarterback because he's earned it. Yeah, and it's a perfect year,

932
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: isn't it, Bucky, Because you cover this stuff all year long.

933
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: Is everything I understand is that this is a great

934
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: year to go get receivers in the draft. Like, so,

935
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: you're exactly right, this is your year. You make that move. Now,

936
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Remember they could play small ball, as you pointed out,

937
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: they played it with with with Arts and Goddard last week.

938
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: Arts doesn't play God, it is your main tight end.

939
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: Who was the guy who came in and caught a

940
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: touchdown pass? Who's that third tight end? I'm sitting there

941
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: going I don't even I don't even know right away,

942
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: now we know who he is. I can't call his

943
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: name to save my life right now, and I feel

944
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: bad about that. He's been in the league, but he

945
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: comes off the practice squad or gets promoted and he scores,

946
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Rod Jordan Howard is supposed to play, he doesn't go.

947
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders starts gets dings. Boston Scott all right, anyone

948
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: from not from that school name where Boston Scott win?

949
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: I think it was was in New Mexico State, was it?

950
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: I think I think it was law Tech. You're right,

951
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: law Tech is where he went to school. So you

952
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: put it all together, and what they did, Doug Peterson

953
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: keeping locker room together, the defensive guys hanging in there

954
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: and not pointing fingers at the offense and doing their jobs,

955
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: the offensive line going through and look they lost Brandon

956
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: Brooks again, they're all pro there, Pro Bowl right guard.

957
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: He goes out in this ball game. Phenomenal effort. Do

958
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: they have enough to get off the deck again this

959
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: week and do it? I say they play loosen free again.

960
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Seattle I think has more pressure on them, coming from

961
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: the west side and really thinking they should be a

962
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: one or two seed. Look, man, it's just terrific set

963
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: of games. I mean, you talk about the NFC games,

964
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: the a f C games. I'm excited to see the playoffs,

965
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: but more importantly, I'm excited to have more conversation with

966
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: you doing the run up to the draft. CD. Thanks

967
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: so much for coming on with the sticks. Hey, thanks

968
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: for having me and you guys take care. Happy Holidays

969
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: to everyone and happy uh, you know, you know, happy

970
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: New Year to everyone. Now that we're in I still

971
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: can't believe that. And thanks again for having me on.

972
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: You guys are the best. He appreciate the c D.

973
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so obviously. Everyone is excited Walker weekend, fascinating

974
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: matchups to settle c Hawks in the Philadelphia Eagles, seeing

975
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: two franchise quarterbacks duke it out. We'll see man if

976
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: Carson Wins can continue to be the magician he has

977
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: pulled rabbits out of hasts to last for or five weeks.

978
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: We'll see if he can keep it going. And then

979
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: on the other side, you just want to see Ken

980
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins get over the home. Drew Blees is playing

981
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: at a phenomenal level, the connection he has with Michael

982
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Thomason and Alvin Kamar pitching in. It's gonna be a

983
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: tough one, but it is an exciting game or exciting

984
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: set of games to watch. And speaking of exciting games,

985
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: the Bill jump in. I know as a Wisconsin fan

986
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: you had your eyes fixed to the TV. Or did

987
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: you go to the game? Did you go to the

988
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl? No, I was gonna go, but you know

989
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: I was able to get a better view from you

990
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: just you just watched you from the house. So you

991
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: had to do the emotional roller coaster of watching Oregon

992
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: beat Wisconsin seven a game that was really an outstanding game,

993
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: a game where, um, I would say this, I feel

994
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin, uh might have been the better team. Wisconsin

995
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: didn't play as well, and Oregon showed UH some toughness

996
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: and some grit that I don't know if any of

997
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: us saw that they had. And I think the game

998
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: really comes down to the quarterback Justin Herbert, and not

999
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: in the way that many of us thought that it

1000
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: would come down. Justin Herbert was only fourteen yards, he

1001
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: had an interception, but man, he had three Russian TVs.

1002
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: He had nine carries for twenty nine Russian yards, and

1003
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: his thirty yard touchdown in the fourth quarter gave the

1004
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: Ducks the lead. UM. When I look at that performance,

1005
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I actually think this performance will help him when it

1006
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: comes to the evaluation process, and it's going to help

1007
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: him in this fact. Ultimately, when you're picking a quarterback.

1008
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: You want to feel his presence in big games and

1009
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: coming off the heels of the pactor of title game,

1010
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: where you felt him kind of use more of his

1011
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: athleticism to complement his arm talent. I felt like he

1012
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: inserted himself into this game as an athlete. The three

1013
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Russian touchdowns, the ability to pour the ball on the

1014
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: own read getting to the perimeter. He really energized an

1015
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: Oregon offense that really was stifled by the Wisconsin defense.

1016
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: And I think when evaluators look at his performance, I

1017
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: think they're going to come away saying I like the toughness,

1018
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: I like the grit, I like the presence in terms

1019
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: of how I felt his impact on the game and

1020
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: how I felt like he was really there for his teammates.

1021
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that I can envision him

1022
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: doing more than maybe we could imagine him doing previously.

1023
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: I think this is a game where offensive coordinators and hey,

1024
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: coaches will take a closer look at Justin Herbert and

1025
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: they will begin to envision what creative things they could

1026
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: do for him. Nibill. Now you on the other side

1027
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: of it, what was your take on Justin Herbert? Well,

1028
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, I thought he was very accurate. He was athletic.

1029
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, he showed off his athleticism when he hasn't

1030
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: done throughout the year as much. Like you said, he

1031
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: displayed that he can make the plays in the big moments.

1032
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: One thing I do worry about Justin Herbert the next

1033
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: level that I would like to ask you, is you

1034
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: know he had a lot of short throws. Do you

1035
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: think he has a big arm but he didn't show

1036
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: it yesterday? Do you think you could read through his

1037
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: progressions enough at the next level? You know, I think

1038
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think that's the thing that everyone

1039
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: will question about Justin Herbert. Is he more than just

1040
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: a one or two read quarterback before he takes off?

1041
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: Like in that system, we hadn't seen him do a

1042
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: lot of what they call pure progression reads, where he

1043
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: may work the system from left or right based on

1044
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: how the route and the coverage dictates him to find

1045
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: the open man. But what I will say is this,

1046
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: we're seeing more teams utilize the stretched bootleg system that

1047
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: has been popularized by UH the San Francisco forty nine,

1048
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. UH. We can call it the Mike Shanahan.

1049
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Gary Kubi at col Shanahan system. But however you want

1050
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: to dub it, it is a system where if your

1051
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: quarterback is athletic enough to get on the perimeter, you

1052
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: can do some very very creative things and it makes

1053
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: it very very easy to build up the completion percentage

1054
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: and to create big play opportunities for the quarterback. When

1055
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: I look at Justin Herbert, to me, he is a

1056
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: perfect fit in that system. When I look at Herbert,

1057
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: I think I can liken him a little bit to

1058
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: what Drew Lock was able to do for the Denver Broncos.

1059
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: Drew Lock being a terrific athlete, a basketball player, a

1060
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: legitimate basketball prospect in high school, um a guy who

1061
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: was a little over the plays during his time in Missouri.

1062
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Where he joins and gets his opportunity with the Denver Broncos,

1063
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: they go for one down the stretch and he looks

1064
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: like a difference maker. I would say that if someone

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00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: takes that same blueprint and uses it with Justin Herbert,

1066
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I think Justin Herbert could be a high end quarterback.

1067
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: He has big time arm talent, he is smart as

1068
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: a whip, he has shown that he is tough, and

1069
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: then you add in the running skills. I believe that

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00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: he certainly could play in one of those systems that

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00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: we've seen Jimmy Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins excel in, and

1072
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: with Ryan Tannehill also having success in a similar kind

1073
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: of system, I think there's certainly a path to build

1074
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: an offense that enables Justin Herbert to play like a

1075
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Now, what you think about Jonathan Taylor, because

1076
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: he has two straight seasons with two thousand rushing y'ard.

1077
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: You know, he was on display yesterday, what do you

1078
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: think about him? You know, like, look this this is

1079
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: a guy. I think the thing with Wisconsin running backs

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00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: they kind of get the label of being system guys

1081
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: because there have been so many running backs that have

1082
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: gone through the system and had success at the collegiate level,

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00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: and then it's been a mixed bag when they get

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: to the pros. When I look at Jonathan Taylor, what

1085
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I like? I like the vision, I like to balance.

1086
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: I like the physicality and toughness. I like the fact

1087
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: that he has shown this year more than other years,

1088
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: that he can catch the ball out the backfield appears

1089
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: they have really really soft hands, and so to me,

1090
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I just believe he is the consummate pro. I don't

1091
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: know if he's going to dazzle or while you, but

1092
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: in the right situation, man, this guy is going to

1093
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: have a ton of production. As um a guy that

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00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: kind of plays behind his past plays in the power

1095
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: based offense. He has only to me enhanced and increased

1096
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: his stock. I think he's one of the top three

1097
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: running backs in the draft class if we include DeAndre Swift.

1098
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: We know j K. Dobins is coming out, Jim Jonathan Taylor.

1099
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: I think it ultimately comes down to what style running

1100
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: back do I envision being my RB one. But look, man,

1101
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: this is a guy who definitely has first round talent.

1102
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: To me, I think he has been very, very impressive

1103
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: with the durability, the production, the reliability in terms of

1104
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: being able to show up each and every week. He

1105
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: just continued to kind of solidify his status as a

1106
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: top running back from me. Now, let's go over the

1107
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: other game, the Sugar Bowl. You know Georgia took on Baylor.

1108
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: It was everyone size were on Matt rule. What do

1109
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: you think about that game? You know, it was an

1110
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: interesting game, right because all odds were on Mad rule,

1111
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: and I think for some people. This is the first

1112
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: exposure that maybe they've had the Bailor football. And when

1113
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: you hear Matt Rule and Matt Rule, the interest in

1114
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, Uh, the New York Giants and maybe the

1115
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, you kind of wanted to see what the

1116
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Baylor Bears have done to create this conversation. Well, what

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00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: stood out to me is Baylor was overmatched by Georgia,

1118
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: but Bailor was very competitive. I like the physicality, I

1119
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: like the effort, I like the energy that they played with.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that he took a team that was

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00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: one in eleven and one eleven games in a three

1122
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: year span. That's pretty impressive to me. Like what he's

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00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: been able to do doing his tenure. We'll see if

1124
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: he elects to make the move. He has a nice

1125
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: set up in Baylor and they've really been hitting it

1126
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: hard on the recruiting trail. We'll see if he stays.

1127
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: From a player standpoint, all eyes were on the quarterback

1128
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: Jake From. Uh. Jake From has kind of been mentioned

1129
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: as a guy that could be maybe a borderline first

1130
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: second round quarterback. UH. When I see him play, to me,

1131
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: Jake From is kind of a connected dots quarterback, meaning

1132
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: he's a guy that doesn't necessarily want you with his

1133
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: arm talent. But what he does is he plays the

1134
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: game the right way, He finds the open receiver, he

1135
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: allows his playmakers to do uh their work, and he

1136
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: just kind of manages the offense. And I know sometimes

1137
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: when we talk about game managers is frowned upon, but

1138
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I believe if Jake From lands at a good team,

1139
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: I think he can keep the ship afloat. I don't

1140
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: know if Jake From is what I would call a

1141
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: franchise saver. I think he's more of a managerial player

1142
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: at the position that can win, but it takes everything

1143
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: around him to be right. Don't know if he necessarily

1144
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: upgrades the talent, but I think he can keep it

1145
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: status quo or a little better. So if we talk

1146
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: about uh truck or trailer parlance, I would say that

1147
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: he is a trailer. He is a guy that needs

1148
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: the team to pull him along. UH. Maybe he can

1149
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: grow to being a truck where he can pull the team,

1150
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: But right now, I envision him as a guy that

1151
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: is a game manager that needs to go to a

1152
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: good team to really have a tremendous amount of success

1153
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: as a starting quarterback, so you think he'll be able

1154
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: to take that next step, or he'll be more of

1155
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: like game manager type quarterback at the next level. I

1156
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: think he's more of a game manager type. I think

1157
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: if you look at Um, I guess the best comparison,

1158
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: I would say, if you look at like a Kirk Cousins, Um,

1159
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is what I would call a high end

1160
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: game manager. When you have to put too much on

1161
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, it tends to go awry. But if the

1162
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: game can be under control, and he's playing in a

1163
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: system where he's able to compliment a running game, and

1164
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: he has playmakers on the out side and they're able

1165
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: to use play action and some of the deception to

1166
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: create opportunities, he can thrive in that. I see Jake

1167
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: From in much the same way. I think he is

1168
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: a guy that will need high end pass catchers. He'll

1169
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: need a solid and consistent running game to be able

1170
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: to have success. I don't think that you could drop

1171
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: in Jake From in a talent deficient situation and think

1172
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: that he, on the strength of his game alone, is

1173
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: going to reverse the fortunes. I think he's part of

1174
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: a bigger puzzle. He's a a small piece and the

1175
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: big puzzle as opposed to being a big puzzle piece

1176
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: that you kind of fit everything around. So, Bucky, what

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00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: do you think about Jerry Judy? Alabama beat Michigan sixteen yesterday?

1178
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy had two hundred four receiving yards a touchdown.

1179
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: What's your take on him? Look, man, I think it

1180
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: was a nice reminder for everyone who has kind of

1181
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: dismissed his chances of being the number one receiver off

1182
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: the board. I think it's very, very easy this time

1183
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: to kind of fall in love with the explosive athlete,

1184
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: the guy that delivers maybe the splashy plays, and you

1185
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of overlook the guy that is the skilled craftsman

1186
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: that understands how to run rouse and consistently get open.

1187
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: I think Jerry Judy is a much better player than

1188
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: people will give him credit forward during his draft process.

1189
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I expect people to overlook him, and they're gonna talk

1190
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: about some of the other guys, the Ceedee Lambs and

1191
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the T Higgins and some of the explosive athletes. But

1192
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying the best and most pro ready wide receiver

1193
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: in this draft class will be Jerry Judy if he

1194
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: elects to come out. There is no one, no one

1195
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 1: in this draft class that is as refined a route

1196
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: runner as Judy. And we've seen year after year after

1197
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: year the guys that make the biggest impact in the

1198
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: National Football League early in their careers are the ones

1199
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Speaker 1: who understand how to run rouse, the ones who can

1200
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: create consistent separation, and the ones who have the skills

1201
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: to be true number ones. He is a number one receiver.

1202
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: He is a lead playmaker in a passing offense. I

1203
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: expect he's going to be a fantastic pro player. All Right,

1204
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: we'll there, look there, there you have it, Man, a

1205
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: fantastic podcast. We had Charlie Castiley on to talk about

1206
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: hiring a general manager and coach c D. Charles Davis

1207
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: joined me to talk about the NFC wild card matchups

1208
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: and they made the bill, had a little conversation. We

1209
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: had a little conversation to Bill had a chance to

1210
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: be a co star. The Bill came on and we

1211
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: talked about the Bowl games and the players that we stopped,

1212
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Speaker 1: the players that we watched, and so, look fantastic. Next

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Speaker 1: week we'll have a man DJ back in the lead.

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Speaker 1: Uh So it should be fun, so make sure to

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Speaker 1: thought to a lot. Talbot do not have good to

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