1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York Toomber, to Washington, d C, 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg to Boston, Bloomberg twelve hundreds to San Francisco, Bloomberg 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: nine to the Country Channel one nineties and around the 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: globe the Bloomberg Radio plus Bloomberg dot Com. This is 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Surveingleans. Good morning, seven thirty on Wall Street. I'm 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Michael McKee along with Tom Keene. Some corporate earnings out 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: today should bring a smile to those invested in the 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: machinery and industrial space. General Electric first quarter profit beats 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: estimates twenty one cents to share nineteen was the average 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: analyst forecast adjusted profit of one point nine billion dollars. 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: Honeywell raising the low end of its profit forecast full 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: year and I expected to be six fifty five to 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: six seventies share revenue forty point three to forty point 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: nine building billion. First uarter earnings rose to a dollar 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: fifty three a share, beating the one fifty average of 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: analysts estimates. And here's an interesting one for those of 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: you investing in Uber and gig economy companies. Uber resolving 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: the biggest threat to its business settled with California drivers 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: who wanted to be treated like traditional employees. The agreement 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: calls for Uber to pay a hundred million to drivers 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: in California and Massachusetts, allows them to solicit tips from writers, 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: but keeps them as the contract employees that they currently are. 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: And this just crossing the Bloomberg Caterpillars. First quarter adjusted 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: earnings for share sixty seven cents. The forecast was for 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: sixty eight. Now let's check in with Michael Barr and 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: get the latest world and national headlines. Mike, thank you 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: very much. After lunch with the Queen, President Obama will 28 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: meet later today with British Prime Minister David Cameron. The 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: meeting comes as President Obama is hoping to influence the 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: UK not to leave the European Union. The President grown 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: in an op ed piece and the telegraphs saying the 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: EU is not moderate British influence, it magnifies it. However, 33 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: London Mayor Boris Johnson called the President's suggestion perverse. A 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: big fan of Barack Obama on any subjects, but clearly 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: this is something where we have a disagreement and on tops. 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: He has scheduled for today on pop star Prince, who 37 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: was found on responsive yesterday in an elevator at a 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: suburban Minneapolis compound. Prince's death comes two weeks after he 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: canceled concert in Atlanta because he was not feeling well. 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Prince was Global news twenty four hours a day, powered 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: by our twenty four hundred journalists more than one hundred 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: fifty news bureaus from around the world. I'm Michael Barn Michael, 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. Time now for the land roper Parcipani 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg NBC Sports Update. Here's John Stasha. All right, Mike, 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: Rangers Penguins Game fourth, the guard couldn't have been much 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: worse for the Blue Shorts. Pittsburgh scored three times opening period, 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Henry Lunk was got benched in the second after giving up, 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: and a Jenny Malkin gold Malkin at another third period 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: five nothing Penguins. The FIP can second at home playoff 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: whilst going back to last year, and if the Rangers 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: lose tomorrow afternoon in Pittsburgh, the season is over. Things 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: going from bad the worst for the Yankees. Jason Shreeve's 53 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: first two pitches of the seventh inning both left the 54 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: yard Oakland for this a sweet seven to three, and 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: the Yanks have lost seven of the last eight. In 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: Cincinnati last night, a flood ball shallow right playable, So 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: first is there helming in its Heyward no hitter for Ariotta. 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: Check Cariotta pitchers a no hitter here at the Grand 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: American Ballpark of Radio Chicago, won sixteen to nothing, and 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: Arietta has picked up where he left off last season. 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: He's fifteen and oh in his last sixteen regular season 62 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: starts with two no hitters. With the Bloomberg NBC Sports Sunday, 63 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm John Stashanler. Thank you, John. Well, we have some 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: more news coming in from Caterpillar, and not particularly good. 65 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: They're lowering their forecast for two thousand and sixteen now 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: three dollars seventy since they had seen four dollars. Uh, 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: they are still above the consensus estimate of three sixty one. 68 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Will keep an eye on cat As they mentioned, they're 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: earning sixty seven cents the consensus was for sixty eight. 70 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Radio worldwide and this is Bloomberg Surveillance. 71 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: I'm Michael McKee along with Tom Keane. In a day 72 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: when the US is diverging from the rest of the world, 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: shall we say, stock six hundred in Europe down three tenths, 74 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: a little over a point. But US futures we'll call 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: slightly green. At least they are green. They're not up 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: a lot. SMP futures up by three points now a 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: tenth of a percent. DAL evenings are up just two points. 78 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: NASDAC futures are lower by three points, a tenth of 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: a percent. Time now for the Bloomberg n j I 80 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: T STEM Report, brought to you by a New Jersey 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Institute of Technology investing more than a hundred and ten 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: million dollars a year and applied research to solve problems 83 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: and improved life. Learn more at Stories Innovation dot j 84 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: I T dot U here is and good morning, Michael. 85 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Now let's see what's making news and science, technology, engineering, 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: and math. Representatives of more than one fifty nations are 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: in New York today. They're signing the Paris Climate Accord, 88 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: setting in motion the unprecedented global efforts to reduce pollution 89 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: and slow rising temperatures linked to floods, heat waves, and droughts. 90 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: This ceremony at the u n headquarters expected to set 91 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: a record for the largest number of nations to sign 92 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: an agreement. On the first day possible culls for countries 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: to voluntarily reduce fossil fuel emissions in hopes of limiting 94 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: global warming. Government of China, through the Chinese Academy of Sciences, 95 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: has struck a deal with Advanced micro Devices to form 96 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: joint ventures and license advanced processor technology from the U 97 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: S and chip maker, and according to the Associated Press, 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the chief administrator the country's space program said today work 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: is proceeding quickly on China's plant mission to land a 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: rover on Mars by twenty. Formula announced at January entas 101 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Mars voyage will attempt to recreate the success of the 102 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: US Viking one mission that land at a rover on 103 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: the planet for decades ago. That Michael is this morning's 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and j I t Step reports, So John Tucker, 105 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much, greatly appreciate it. This is a thrill, folks. 106 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: Most people in the media get Michael Mayo for one minute, 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: two minutes, three minutes. Here he goes this, this, this 108 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: we get a longer battle with him here today and 109 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: to drive forward the idea of governance at banks and 110 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: the idea of what they do with their annual meetings. 111 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: But First, Michael Mayo, you're optimistic on the banks. Is 112 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: a business plan? Right? Absolutely, Tom, We've changed our position 113 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: on the bank that you know. We were very negative 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: last decade before and through the financial crisis, but now 115 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: the bank balance sheets are safer than they've been in decades, 116 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: risk is lower than it's been any time since the 117 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: financial crisis, and you're seeing early signs of traditional lending 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: revenues improved. So, in the words of Karen Carpenter, we've 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: only just begun. No, okay, I'm not gonna don't get anything. 120 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: Don't got me singing my Carpenters thing. Um. But Mike, 121 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: at the same time, you want to hear more about 122 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: their business plan. Why is a bank annual meeting different 123 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: from John Deere or Caterpillars annual meeting. Are you picking 124 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: on Brian Waynean and the others or is there something 125 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: unique about their quiet and their secrecy. So we're more 126 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: positive on banks, but it's not a blind recommendation. We 127 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: think that the management teams of the banks need to 128 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: be held more accountable. And for me personally, I've written 129 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: research reports on Wall Street and got shut down, testified 130 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: to Congress, got shut down, wrote a book. You know, 131 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: things still haven't changed yet, and you have the new 132 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: proposal for payrolls in Wall Street. That's not going to 133 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: do it. All the micro management in the world is 134 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: not going to do it. At some point you say, 135 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: we've seen management teams come and go, let's hold the 136 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: boards of directors more accountable. And though it's if your 137 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: sports team keeps low in games and they get, you know, 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: a new coach year after year, at some point you 139 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: want to talk to the general manager. And this is 140 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: the equivalent of doing that. I don't know what the 141 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: follow up on what Tom said in terms of the 142 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: business plan. Business plan used to be you take deposits 143 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: and you lend them out and you make money. And 144 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: then it evolved into everything from an investment banking to 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: trading on your own account. And we've seen how well 146 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: that worked out in the last quarter. So what is 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: what is a successful financial institution going to look like next? 148 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: A successful financial institution generates returns above the cost of capital. 149 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: That would be something called return on equity. And some 150 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: banks have good returns and some banks have bad returns. 151 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: So the annual meetings next week for City Group, Bank 152 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: of America and a Regional Bank America. All three of 153 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: those banks have failed to create value for every year 154 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: for the last eight years. And so our question for 155 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: the board of directors is, if you're not getting it done, 156 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: what is your plan B? And maybe your plan B 157 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: should be some asset sales or restructuring or even in 158 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the case of America and absolute sale, what do they 159 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: become utility? Like do they go back to the old 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: retail banking model of deposits and lending, or is all 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: the other financial engineering that they do still a key 162 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: part of how you get that return iniquity. It's a 163 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: little bit back to the future directionally like the nineteen fifties, 164 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: where not banks as utilities, but banks with more utility 165 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: like outcomes were banks or pillars of strength and stability. 166 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: And by the way, collectively, you know, we're fighting the 167 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: last war. There's not going to be, you know, a 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: bank calamity coming up. Banks have more capital than they've 169 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: had in eighty years. They can absorb another financial crisis 170 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: and still have more capital than they had before the 171 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: last downturn. How do you respond to what I'm sure 172 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: you hear from bankers that we need to keep our 173 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: plans quiet. We can't tell Mike mayown annual meeting, what 174 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: we're doing enough? Tom, you're setting me off here. Now, 175 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: we're not doing enough. I've been doing this twenty five years. 176 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: You have one time a year to ask questions of 177 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: the director's at banks, one time a year. By the way, 178 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: these are your owners. So and the one that infuriates 179 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: me the most is Bank of America. What do they 180 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: do specifically? Quickly? Here we'll come back. Okay, Well, if 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: it's too quick, i'd say that what's the number one 182 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: thing they do? They don't give you rangers tickets? Well, 183 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: for we recommend Bank America stock now, so we're positive 184 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: we'd have much more upside if they had a better 185 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: tone at the top their September twenty two shareholder meeting, 186 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: they literally pulled the microphone away from somebody mid stream, 187 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: mid sentence while he was asking the question, Well, we'll 188 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: come back, And that's a fired up Michael Mayo of 189 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: c l S A lot to talk about, and what 190 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: a distinction. He's enthusiastic on the banks. But we'll continue. 191 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: We'll continue with a butt of bank transparency. Bloomberg surveillance. 192 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg surveillance is brought to you by sector Spider et 193 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: s Why by a single stock when you can invest 194 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: in the entire sector. Visit sector spdrs dot com or 195 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: call sector ETF. Global business news twenty four hours a 196 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: day at Bloomberg dot com, the Radio plus Mobile Act 197 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: and on your radio, this is a Bloomberg Business Flash. 198 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of and I'm Karen Moscow. Caterpillar is 199 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: down almost two percent this morning, the largest manufacturer of 200 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: mining and construction equipment, lowering its twenty six earnings and 201 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: sales forecasts as a slump in demand persists after a 202 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: meltdown in commodities prices. GE reported first quarter profit that 203 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: beat analysts estimates, revenue just missed, and its shares are 204 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: down more than one percent. Honeywell International raised the low 205 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: end of its profit forecast after first quarter earning stopped 206 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: analysts estimates with the help of a five point one 207 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: billion dollar acquisition that bolstered sales. Advanced micro devices were 208 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: all also watching up twenty three percent. It said it's 209 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: licensing technology to a Chinese state back joint venture will 210 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: produce server processors for that country's market. Futures this morning 211 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: are higher. Snp EMNY futures up two points. Dow E 212 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: Mini futures are down three though, and now's DOCUMENTI futures 213 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: are down three as well. The decks in Germany is 214 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: down half percent right now, can your treasury little change? 215 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: The yield one point eight six percent, the yield on 216 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: the two year point eight zero percent. NIMEX screwed oil 217 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: four ten percent or seventeen cents to forty five of 218 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: barrel coll MIxS. Gold is down a quarter percent or 219 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: three dollars to twelve announced. The euro a dollar twelve 220 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: sixty four, the end one ten point six nine. And 221 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: that's a Bloomberg business flash. Tom and Mike tra Moscow, 222 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: thank you very much. We're talking with Michael Mayo from 223 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: c l s A Bank Analysts, and you're before the break, 224 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: you were talking about how banks, as you go to 225 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: their annual meetings are going to have to explain themselves 226 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: and what their plans are. Some shareholders already concerned about 227 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: what City groups plans are. They proposal break the bank up. 228 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: I think it's called proposition eight something like that. Uh, 229 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: isn't that what Michael Corbett has been doing. Hasn't city 230 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: been trying to essentially shed the unprofitable parts of the business. Uh, 231 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: what would this do that he isn't already being well. 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: The good news is City Group last year had the 233 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: best returns since before the financial crisis. The balance sheet 234 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: is very strong. They've moved in the right direction, they've simplified, 235 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: and they shed a lot of assets, as you pointed out, Um, 236 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: but they haven't done enough. And so for City Group 237 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: or any bank with returns below the cost to capital, 238 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: their returns are low for all of the last eight years. 239 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: What is plan B. It's been a long time. Now 240 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: enough waiting? Do more? Sell off some massets, redeploy those proceeds. 241 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean City Group, under one financial metric, trades at 242 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: eight of its tangible book. The stock prices below the 243 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: book value, and so that means investors don't have enough 244 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: confidence that the future will improve enough. So we're going 245 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: to the meet. The question that meeting is why not 246 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: consider plan beat? Why not get more aggressive with your restructuring. 247 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: I got a bunch of questions here about if City 248 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: Group is a ten for one reverse split. The stock 249 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: has gone from next to nothing to fifty down to 250 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: four dollars and sixty six cents, and they do a 251 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: fancy split to make it forty six dollars sixty cents 252 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: a share. What jump starts those stocks. It's free cash 253 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: flow like with every other company, right, absolutely better free 254 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: cash flow. But relative to the equity City Group has 255 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: to hold. So the good news is City Group is 256 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot safer their capital is. The bad news it's 257 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: tough to generate returns on those higher levels. They need 258 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: just fewer people. I mean, what's let mean, let me 259 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: get it up here right now. They're they're head count. Um. 260 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: You know, all of these banks are loaded up with employees. 261 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: City Groups two people. Where's that number in five years? Well, 262 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: it's come down quite a bit already, and we think 263 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: City will continue to be smaller as the years go on. 264 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: They have streamlined quite a bit, but they need to 265 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: perhaps restructure more aggressively. Those businesses that are, you know, 266 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: capital hogs. You just want them to go faster, but 267 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: they're not getting it done. I mean, you have some 268 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: banks like JP Morgan Wells Fargo with with very good returns. 269 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: City Group has poor returns. That's why that's why we're going, 270 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: That's why our teams going to the annual meeting on Tuesdady, say, 271 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: some of your peers are getting it done. It's time 272 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: for you to get it done. Board of Directors, What 273 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: has management doing if they can't get it done, what 274 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: is your plan being? And Mike, what you can do 275 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: from Gainesville is going right down to Coral Gables. That's 276 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: what they're They're holding the meeting at the University of Miami. 277 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Why are they holding the meeting in the middle of nowhere? 278 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, we're very frustrated with the behavior, not just 279 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: a you know, city group, but for many of these 280 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: banks which hold their annual meetings, you know, fall are away. 281 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Two years ago I went to City Groups annual meeting 282 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: in St. Louis. What does Saint Leus have to do 283 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: with city groups? Investors? And so, you know, this is 284 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: a city group has gotten better. You know what's good 285 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: about City Group. They're the only large bank with a 286 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: separate chairman from the CEO, and the chairman, Mike O'Neill 287 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: is a long time bank restructuring expert and he's on 288 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: the scene. This is the one time of year you 289 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: actually get to hear from that chairman, Mike O'Neil. So 290 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: for all the issues, including having the annual meeting down 291 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: in Coral Gables, Florida University of Miami. They have made 292 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: some positive governance changes. Well, can they sway you can? 293 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: Can you be persuaded that they're on the right track. 294 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: You're very negative on them, and yet you're praising the 295 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: management as people who know what they're doing and who 296 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: seem to be committed to what you want them to do. 297 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: But we're more positive on the stock. We're very positive 298 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: on the stock. It's very inexpense. The fundamentals have improved, 299 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: it just hasn't improved enough. So you know what is 300 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: it comes down to return? Returns have improved also, the 301 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: best in a decade, but they're still not at that 302 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: threshold where you go from value destruction to value creation. 303 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: It's a fair, fair question for any bank. If your 304 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: returns are allousy, what is the border directors doing to 305 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: make sure that the returns will be adequate and closer 306 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: to peer levels? Now, how do you resolve the tension 307 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: between what you want them to do on behalf of shareholders, 308 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: which is uh, make more money, which incentivizes management maybe 309 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: to take more risk, and regulators who say no, no, no, 310 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: don't do that, we just want you to survive. Well, 311 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: I think you know regulators and investors can be on 312 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: the same page. I mean City Group directionally has more 313 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: utility like outcomes. Directionally, they have less risk than they've 314 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: had since before the financial crisis, and going back even further, 315 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and to the extent that banks the regulators want City 316 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: Group and other banks to streamline and simplify, and I 317 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: think investors would be more enthusiastic if City Group went 318 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: faster to shed some of their assets. I mean, the 319 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: Mexico is what we brought up. Why not sell your 320 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: Mexican bank. For almost all of City Groups history, they 321 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: didn't have this bank in Mexico, or sell off some 322 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: other appreciated assets and use those proceeds to buy back 323 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: your own stock. It's like you know, seeing dollar bills 324 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: and paying eighty cents for every dollar bill that you buy. 325 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: So this is the financial analysis here. It's it's really straightboard. 326 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: It's just just execute better. And now on a Friday, folks, 327 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: in honor of those that will sit for the CFA 328 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Exam cub June, we ask a deferred text esset question. 329 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Douglas and Florida notes that all these banks in particular 330 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: City Group have a strange thing sitting on their balance sheet. 331 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: They deferred text asset. I guess it's sort of like 332 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: City Stadium whatever it is, or the mets plight. What's 333 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: a deferred text asset? And how critical is that for 334 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: Mr Corbett to keep the House of Cards going, particularly 335 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: as regards book value. Well that that's a great question. 336 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: It's a tech a cool question. And just think of 337 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: it in terms of a tax benefit. City Group has 338 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: a tax benefit of almost fifty billion dollars that's gonna 339 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: come someday. Well, as they earn more earnings, they get 340 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: to use those tax benefits, that their tax credit, and 341 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: that's hurting their returns to the other point. But you know, 342 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: at some point you say, you know, boo who we 343 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: don't have better returns. We have this big tax credit. 344 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: And our response is, okay, use your tax credit. And 345 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: one way to use that tax credit is to sell 346 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: appreciated assets and don't pay taxes on those games. So 347 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: get more aggressive in using that tax credit. You're you're 348 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: also going this week to Bank of America. Uh and 349 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: uh you mentioned City is the only one that has 350 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: split the CEO and chairman's job. Is that is that 351 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: back again to do something to to make Mr moynihan 352 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: shortened his business card. That's you know done. We didn't 353 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: like the way that was done. Last September twenty two, 354 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: they had a special shareholder meeting in Charlotte. I was there. 355 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: I asked one of the four questions, and as I 356 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: was saying, before we went to break, before the fourth 357 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: and last question, er, uh, they literally pulled the microphone 358 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: away from the person at this Yes, they pulled mid 359 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: mid sentence. They pulled the microphone away. But this wasn't 360 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, an ex employee or wasn't me. This was 361 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the representative of Cowper's and Calsters. They managed five hundred 362 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: billion dollars of assets under management for millions of employees 363 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: public service employees in the state of California, firemen, police, teachers. 364 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: And they pulled the microphone away because he had reached 365 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: the two minute limit, even though he had traveled six 366 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: thousand miles round trip to ask his question and represent 367 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: the state of California five billion dollars of assets under management. Oh, 368 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: by the way, the CEO, Brian Mornahan and the lead 369 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: director Jack Bowener Jr. Were on the stage and did 370 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. This is not just bad corporate behavior. What 371 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: would you like from Mr Well, I'd like to see 372 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: him just answer all the questions. But you know Berkshire Hathaway, 373 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: they have an all day annual meeting. By the way, 374 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: that meeting you and Warren Buffett asking questions on stage. Well, 375 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, in this Bank America case, that meeting lasted 376 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: less than fifteen minutes. Who's more important than the owners 377 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: of your company? So what I'd like to see, just 378 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: for starters, is for Bank America to answer the questions 379 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: that are asked next Wednesday and don't artificially end the 380 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: meeting after you know, you know, two hours or one 381 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: hour or fifteen minutes, at least go three hours. These 382 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: are your owners. You have one time a year to 383 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: ask questions a Bank America's board a positive step. The 384 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: new lead director at Bank America the start of the 385 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: annual report says, we want to engage with shareholders more. Well, 386 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: let's see those words backed up with actions. Mike, ma'am, 387 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Fired up, But I want to 388 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: make the distinction again. He is positive on the banks 389 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: as a general statement, even though sharply critical on some 390 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: of their governance UH methods and techniques. Our technique is 391 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: to announce that Michael McKee is in Gamesville, Florida and 392 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: support of the Business School of the University of UH Florida. 393 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: We are in New York to get your Friday ready 394 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: and your weekend reading lots coming up UH and we 395 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: will do that. On economics, finance, investment, and international relations. 396 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: Today the relation is a weaker yeen one ten is 397 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: really quite a move. I would say over the last 398 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: number of days dollar we have dollar strength, not too 399 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: much d x y eight another hour of Bloomberg surveillance