1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, an iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. Lauren Zima 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: and Chris Harrison coming to you today with the story 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: of a woman who has literally time traveled and I 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: really mean that. Julia Hart of the show My Unorthodox 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: Life on Netflix spent the first forty two years of 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: her life in an ultra Orthodox Jewish community, living without TV. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: She had never seen movies, she had never worn the 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: clothes that you and I wear every day. She had 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: not grown up in America, even though she was technically 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: in America. This community was located in New York. At 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: age forty two, she left with her kids, and, as 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 2: she describes it, was an eleven year old even though 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: she was an adult trying to figure out the world 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: on her own. She went on to build multiple multimillion 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: dollar businesses, get her own net fie show. Now she's 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: got a new shapewear line and a new TV show 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: in the works, And Chris and I are going to 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: talk to her about dating from her perspective, getting married 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: and divorced from her perspective, because she is in the 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: middle of a very high profile multimillion dollar divorce right 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: now and much much more. I actually have met Julia 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: once before, interviewed her for Entertainment Tonight at her home 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: in New York before her Netflix show premiered, but at 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: that time she was married. Still, I met her husband 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: in their penthouse. Since then, they've split up, so we 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: have a lot to catch up with her on Babe. 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: Were you a little blown away when you first heard 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: her story? 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Reading her story? I really wasn't aware of it, and 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I have so many questions I cannot wait to dive in, 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: So let's get to it. Julia Hart, Hi, Thank Julia. 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: Julia, Hi, Hi, Julia. Do you remember me? I came 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: to your house with et your penthouse and interviewed you 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: before the first season of My UNORTHODOXYG Oh. 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: My goodness, no, wonder you look so familiarly, so good 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: to see you. 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Great to see you too, and we were in your 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: fabulous closet. 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: Are you Are you in la now? 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: No, we live in Austin, And again I'm Laurence. This 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: is my husband, Chris. It's so good to see you. 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Great to see you. You know I grew up in Austin. 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: No, did you really? 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: I left Moscow? When I was three, I spent two 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: years in internment camps, was like seven months in Vienna, Austria, 47 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: and almost nine months in the Vatican in Rome. And 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: then IBM hired both my parents and the first place 49 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: we came to America was Austin, Texas, and I lived 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: there until I was eleven. 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: In that ten seconds you get a glimpse of the 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: wild life Julia has led I. When you speak and 53 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: you tell your story, it's like you don't know what 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: this woman is going to say next. You have done 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: so much and seen so much. So where did you 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: go after Austin. 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: To the eighteen hundreds? 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I couldn't remember. Chris was asking 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: me where was that part of your life? Physically? The 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: what state were you in? 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: Rock and County, New York state? Rock and upstate New York, 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: Rock and County Muncie suffering. 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: And when we say that state, this was so how 64 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: old were you when you entered the ultra Orthodox Jewish? 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: Ten? 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: Ten years old? So up to this is like zero 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: to ten. What was life you were just, I mean 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: just Jewish life was. 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: First Moscow and then it was you know, living in 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: the tent in Rome and having my first cherry and 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: my first slice of pizza, you know, and then coming 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: to Austin, Texas, as you could imagine a five years 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: I've been already been in four countries, four different languages, 74 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: and you know, I got to go to public school. 75 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: I learned English, and the first year that we were there, 76 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: there was some kind of state tests because they were 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: still trying to segregate blacks and lights to the seventies. Right, 78 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: Austin when I came in, was still not segregated, so 79 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: it was still SegReg Yeah, I'm sorry, it was still segregate. 80 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: They hadn't done and so the federal government forced desegregation, 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: and so Texas came up with their idea of, well, 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: if we can't divide them by color, we'll divide them 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: by test score, because they thought they were wrong, but 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: they thought that black kids would score worse than white 85 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: kids and then they wouldn't have to be bussed, and 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. And the end it failed. Yeah, 87 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 3: in the end it failed, and busting worked and the 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: schools became integrated. But that all happened when I came 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: to Texas. Of course, I didn't know any of this. 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: I was a child. I was five years old, but 91 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: I take the state test and I get the highest score, 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: and I'm this little immigrant kid from Russia, and I'm 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: the first person in all of Texas that comes from Russia. 94 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: Because this is before Peter Stroika, this is before Gorbachev. 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: This is still ussr Resina, right, this is cold family, 96 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: this is cold war. This is my parents and I 97 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: were traded for grain through the Jackson Vanekvild. So this 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: is real, full on cold war. And so it was 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: first birthday in free world, you know, because it was 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: so unusual. I was I think we were the first 101 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: Russian family in the entire state of Texas. 102 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: I never intended for this interview to go this direction, 103 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: but so I grew up as a kid in Texas 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: also in the seventies and eighties, so I remember those times, 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: and I imagined being Russian at the time, Like were 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: you mocked where you pointed out. 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: I was just like this exotic plant, you know, So 108 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: like people just wanted to like they were just fascinated 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 3: because I was the only Russian they'd ever met. Totally, 110 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: So it was kind of like, oh, let's go look 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: at the Martians so far. But I have to tell 112 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: you that I felt more at home and more comfortable 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: and more myself when I was the only Jew in 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: a public private school called Kirby Hall. You know it, 115 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: I was their token Jew and there was one token plaque. 116 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: And like people always say, like did I feel comfortable? 117 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: Did I feel anti Semitism? There? Honestly, not an iota. 118 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: There was this these two twins, they were Germans. I 119 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: think their names were like Ulrick and Deep Trick or something. 120 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: And when we learned about the Holocaust, they came over 121 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: and like they hugged me, like we're really sorry, and 122 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't have to about it, but it 123 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: was really beautiful. And then when I left, my math 124 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: teacher costured her kitchen. She was a vegetarian, so it 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: was actually very easy for her because at that point 126 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: I was already kosher. She costured her kitchen so that 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: she could give me a going away party that I 128 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: could eat at. 129 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, and so you moved to New York, 130 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: and I guess obviously your parents are the ones that 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: dictate this. They decide we're going to move into this 132 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: ultra orthodox Jewish community, and this is like stepping back 133 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: into the eighteen hundreds, right, I mean this is no TVs, 134 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: no devices, no radios. 135 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: I always tell people I'm a time traveler. I lived 136 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundreds until I was forty two years old. 137 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: I am eleven years old in this century. 138 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: But what I didn't get was that you lived in 139 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds for quite some time, you know, almost 140 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: until your teenage years. Then you joined this. 141 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah well no, no, no, we became religious much earlier. We 142 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: became religious when I was around let's see six or seven. No, yeah, 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: around six or seven. So we became religious in Texas. 144 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah right, my parents. My mother started wearing a wig, 145 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: I started keeping kosher. I wasn't allowed to hang out 146 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 3: with any of my non Jewish friends. I wasn't allowed 147 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: to go on the weekends. I couldn't watch cartoons anywhere. 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 3: So it started before I actually came to Monseya. However, 149 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: when it got to monsey just the doors of the 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: outside world closed completely. 151 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: So were you mad at your parents for moving you 152 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: out of Texas? 153 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: At the time, I was fully indoctrinated, and that's what 154 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: God wanted. And I shouldn't be with non Jews. They 155 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: want to kill us. And by the way you look 156 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: at what's going on today and you say to yourself, 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 3: they're not wrong. I just don't think the answer is 158 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: hiding and separating yourself from the rest of the world. 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: But I mean, there is a lot of hatred for 160 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: the Jewish people, and so you know, I was brought 161 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: up to think that every non Jews dangerous and wants 162 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: to turn me into a lampshade and burn me in 163 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 3: an oven. So you know it was us and them. 164 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: Wow, Well, I'm glad that you found some warmth and 165 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: welcome in Austin. I am despite all of these. 166 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: I love Austin. I really do. Like Austin is one 167 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: of They're my only happy childhood memories. They're all in 168 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: as before we became religious. They're the only ones I got. 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: We've found there. There are such warm and loving people here, 170 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: and so I'm glad to hear that despite the turbulent, 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: to say the very least times that you and your 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: family had lived through. Wow. Okay, yeah, I know I 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: interviewed you before, but I'm like, I didn't know this 174 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: origin story. Oh my gosh. And Chris is wrapping his 175 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: head around it all. 176 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: There's a book I wrote because this show is my present. 177 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: The book is my past. It's it goes to the 178 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: whole story. And know, it's real interesting. It's in English, obviously, 179 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: you know the other language it's been translated in so 180 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: far German, German. 181 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 182 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: It's interesting, right. 183 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: Can I bring up a similarity you guys have really quick, 184 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: because I feel like you should talk about this. Well, 185 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: Chris is Jewish. Chris's whole family is Jewish, and he 186 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: grew up in Dallas, and you were really the only 187 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Jewish family you knew in Dallas. 188 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: There was a there's a very tight knit Jewish community 189 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: in Dallas. Same thing here in Austin. It's it's a 190 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: small it's a small community in the seventies and eighties. Yeah, 191 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: my parents, my family had been there for three generations, 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: four generations now, and so yeah, there is a very small, 193 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: tight knit group. And but yeah, they were you know, 194 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: ostracized and persecuted in their own ways growing up in Dallas. 195 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: It was Texas and the seventies for sure. You know 196 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: the story. My parents tell me stories about it all 197 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: the time. But what's interesting is, I'm what I'm trying 198 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: to wrap my head around is then this young girl 199 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: goes into something that I think we would all like 200 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: into a third world country where you disappear from Earth, 201 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: but this is in New York. You're not this is 202 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: this is happening in the United States, where there is 203 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: this community that is not watching TV, not listening to 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: the radio, not engaging with the outside world. And then 205 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: you emerge three decades later. You go in as a 206 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: ten year old, you come out as a forty two 207 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: year old woman. 208 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: You know which movie? When I saw it, I was like, 209 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's me. It's a movie with Hugh Jackman. 210 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: And Meg Ryan. 211 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: Meg Ryan. Yeah, what was it called, you know, Trying 212 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: to Leopold. Yes, oh my god. 213 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Well one and only time that movie was ever mentioned. 214 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: I like that movie. It's cute. 215 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that that that's what I was trying 216 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: to think of, Like what's. 217 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it felt like. It's you know, how 218 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: he he The story is of Kate and Leopold. He 219 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: falls through a wormhole in time from the eighteen hundreds 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: and he lands in twenty first century New York City, 221 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: and he's discombobulated and completely lost because it's it's like 222 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: going tomorrows such a different planet, and that those first 223 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: days of his in the city. That's what it was 224 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: like for me. Everything I was like, you know, my 225 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: eyes were like giant saucers, Like I thought everything was 226 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: super exciting. I'd never been to a bar, I never 227 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: kissed anyone I chose it. I'd never slept by myself, 228 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, like just things that people just so much 229 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: take for granted. I never watched without permission. There's just 230 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: so many things that you know, I'd never done, and 231 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: I knew so I knew nothing about the outside world 232 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: except when I read and watched. 233 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: You were a mom at the time. 234 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Miriam. 235 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: You had your daughter. 236 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: Did you just for children? 237 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: Four kids at the time? 238 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, kids, all my four kids were. My last 239 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: child was born when I was thirty five. 240 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: So and but man, you up and moved out of 241 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: this community and the safety net you had with four 242 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: kids to take on the world. Yeah, that's a badass move. 243 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: Great, it's an insane room to make. Honest, people don't 244 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: make it. Most people can't because you're just not equipped 245 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: to handle the outside world. You're really not. You don't know. 246 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I got, you know, roof feed and raped. 247 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: I think the first year that I was out because 248 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: I'd never heard of ro Hipnol. I didn't know you 249 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: can't take a drink from I literally was like a 250 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 3: five year old child. On one hand, I had this intellect, 251 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: this talent, my herd, crazy work ethic, and on the 252 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,119 Speaker 3: other hand, I was like, what's a Madnum bottle of champagne? 253 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't know anything about anything. You know, 254 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: what do you. 255 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Think was the key to your survival during that time? 256 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 2: Because you were so lacking and like being educated on, 257 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: like you said, the world, what was it in your 258 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: inner personality? If there's one quality or one thing that 259 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: made you push through all that, what was it? 260 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: Governess? Governess can be. 261 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: But you know, I think what you're hitting on is 262 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: actually something Chris and I've been talking about so much lately, 263 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: Becau because I just feel like, right now there's a 264 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: lot of research and discussion about how, interestingly, despite all 265 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: of the education and mental health help that we have 266 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: for people, like more than ever before, people are like 267 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: more depressed than ever before, and the suicide rates are up, 268 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: and and it's just interesting to hear because you persevered 269 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: through so much, and I'm like you in your answer, 270 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: interesting me because you're like stubbornness. 271 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: You know. 272 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: It wasn't like like, oh, had I had, you know, 273 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: a good therapist. It's like, now, I was just stubborn, 274 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes I wonder if you know, I'm like, man, 275 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: we need some of that resilience. 276 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, you know, I think, I think 277 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: my biggest strengths were I'm an internal student. I don't 278 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: assume I know anything. So I go and I deep 279 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: dive and I study and I learn. I'm a voracious reader, 280 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: and I have a pretty decent memory, so I tend to, 281 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, retain when I read. But I think, you know, 282 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: my success has all been around the unknown, right every 283 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: industry I've gone to, I've invented something. With the shoes, 284 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: it was an organomically designed shoe with Laperla and the lingerie. 285 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: It was the first ever stretch lace, the first clothing 286 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: that had cup sizes put inside, so you could buy 287 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: things not just by your dress size, but by your 288 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: cup size. I come to WG. It's a modeling agency 289 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: valued at seventy million dollars in two years through COVID, 290 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: I built it into a billion dollar business by transforming 291 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: it into a media conglomerate, using my talent as brands 292 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: and networks and building them up so that they can 293 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: shift the power dynamic there in control now and they 294 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: can elongate their career because to me, I didn't care 295 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: if you walked, you know, a runway, or it was 296 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: a tennis court or a football stadium. I didn't care 297 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: what your area of expertise was. I just understood that 298 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: social media is the new television, it's the new magazine, 299 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: and so if we can put the power in the 300 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: hands of our talent, the power dynamic, and now it's 301 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: the magazines and the editors and the creative director's chasing 302 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: after them because they have the audience. They're the media. 303 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: So everything I've done has always been to disrupt whatever 304 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: industry I've gone into, turn things upside down, and do 305 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: things the way that I think they should be done 306 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: instead of the way they're currently being done. And I 307 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: think that my not being educated in a certain way 308 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: where I was, you know, like this is fashion, this 309 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: is this. So it's always been going into industry turning 310 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: it upside down, finding the spaces and the holes in between, 311 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: which is again what I did with my plus body 312 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: shapewear brand. Right, Why did I start a shapewear brand 313 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: for the same reason. It's the same idea, always innovation, 314 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: always helping women. Because I saw Bridget Jones's diary much 315 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: later than most people. Okay, but I watched that scene 316 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: where she's sitting on the on her bed and she 317 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: has to decide does she wear the shapewear. She'll look 318 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: better in her dress, she'll get grant, but then she 319 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: can't bring him home because no woman wants to get 320 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: caught dead in shapewear beije white and black. It's super ugly. 321 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: So I started thinking, I say, okay, I don't want 322 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: women to ever feel ashamed or humiliated. How can I 323 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: make shapewear sexy so that if you take it off, 324 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: nobody's going to realize that it's shape or to begin with. 325 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: And that's how Plus Body started. So everything I've done, 326 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: it's always about going into an industry, figuring out what 327 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: women need and giving it to them. 328 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: To think about where you came from. So you're forty 329 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: two years old, and first of all that starting life 330 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: and starting business and starting an entrepreneurship at forty two 331 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: crazy like you kind of took everything and turned it 332 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: upside down right. The modern I guess diagram of this 333 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: is I get my undergraduate degree at an institution of 334 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: higher learning, I go to a business school, I network, 335 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: and in my twenties and in my thirties, I get 336 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: here and then maybe by the time you're in your 337 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: forties you start making these moves. You basically were birthed 338 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: at forty two without all the other stuff. How do 339 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: you figure that you were able to accomplish what it 340 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: took others decades of schooling and grinding and networking to do. 341 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: Two answers. The first one's kind of embarrassing, but it's true. 342 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: And I started my shoe brand. I had no idea 343 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: how hard like. If I had actually known what is 344 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: entailed in starting a brand, I never would have tried it. 345 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: But I was so incredibly ignorant that my basic philosophy 346 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: was I've time traveled from the eighteen hundreds and survived 347 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: shoe brand. That's going to be easy. That was literally 348 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: my thinking. I just had no clue how difficult it 349 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: would be. And then again, part two, I would say, 350 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: is the fact that I had time traveled, I had 351 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: done the unthinkable. And most women who leave my community, 352 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: they end up committing suicide or going to drugs because 353 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: you aren't equipped to handle the outside world. You're really 354 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: not equipped to handle the twenty first century. I know 355 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: over twelve people who have committed suicide. Leaving right it's 356 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 3: an almost impossible thing to do, it really is. So 357 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: when I survived that, and I was still smiling and standing, 358 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: and my children were with me, which never happens. Basically, 359 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: you leave, you leave without your kids. So the fact 360 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: that I had managed to bring my children along and 361 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: I was still standing, I was like, Julie, you're just 362 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: time traveled. You can do anything. And so I went 363 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: and did it. 364 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's beyond culture shock. You time traveled, 365 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: it's world shock. You stepped away from something like you said, 366 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: you'd been indoctrinated into. So, I mean, Julia, you've reinvented 367 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: yourself on a level that people would aspire to. I think, 368 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: not just once, but multiple times. Because then not only 369 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: did you leave that world, but and you succeeded in 370 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: so many businesses. And then you got a Netflix show, 371 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: My Unorthodox Life, and you wrote a book. So and 372 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: now I mean, I know you've even got a new 373 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: show you're working on with Jill Zarin, former Real Housewife 374 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 2: of New York and I think you're single and you're 375 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: dating again. 376 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: Now, yes, I am no any does. 377 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 2: What if you learned in this kind of second round 378 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: of reinvention of like becoming getting divorced, becoming single and 379 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: now doing reality TV? 380 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: What a great question. Thank you. I think you're the 381 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: first person to ask me that I love this question. 382 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: I have learned a lot because I think, oh gosh, again, 383 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 3: I don't have a filter. One of these days I'm 384 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 3: going to learn how to not tell everything out. But 385 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: you know, look, if the purpose of what I'd done, 386 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: of telling my story is to help other people, I 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: gotta tell it I like it is, with all the 388 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: bumps and words and bruises. Otherwise it doesn't help anybody. 389 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: As fierce and independent and confident as I was in business, 390 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: until I went through the monstrously horrible divorce that I've 391 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: had to go through, I did not knowledge and recognize 392 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: that I was still that woman in my personal life. 393 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: I was still trying to please the man, make the 394 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: man happy. It was so indoctrinated into me that the 395 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: man is always right, and that it's my job to 396 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: be pleasing that as much as I had eviscerbated that 397 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: from my brain when it came to business, and I 398 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 3: was fierce and fearless. When it came to my personal life, 399 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: I was still little miss homemaker. And I didn't recognize 400 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: that until the blank hit the fan, right, and then 401 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: I realized, Okay, here's my theory. I'm curious to hear 402 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: what you think about it. Okay, people can to be 403 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: divided into two categories. Okay, here's my dating philosophy. Gardeners 404 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: and flowers. Gardeners are people like me. We nurture, we grow, 405 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: we build, we water, we feed, people who take care 406 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: of others. Right, I've been mommy my entire life. I 407 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: have seven siblings and I was ten years older than 408 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: the first one after me, so my youngest brother is 409 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: younger than my eldest daughter. I literally raised them. They 410 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: called me mommy. I'm not kidding. And then I had 411 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: my own four So I've raised like eleven humans in 412 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: my life. And you know, I'm a garden I'm always 413 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: going to be a gardener. However, I dated married flowers men, 414 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: and it can be a man or a woman. A 415 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: flower can be each give me, give me, give me, 416 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: water me give me some light. I'm just going to 417 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 3: sit here and look beautiful, and I want everything given 418 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 3: to flowers, right, And so I realized that if I'm 419 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 3: going to be a gardener, I have to be very 420 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: careful who I allow into my garden because I'm tired 421 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: of flowers. I want someone who guardens back of freaking on. 422 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: You need a succulent, for lack of a better word, suculent. 423 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: She needs a hoe, a garden hoe. Everybody, come on, 424 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: that's good. 425 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: Okay. 426 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: So this is interesting then because Lauren kind of sets 427 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: me up for a question I was going to ask anyway, 428 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: which is you never had chosen a partner before, you've 429 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: never chosen a date. So you're in New York City 430 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: newly kind of rebirthed. What was that like? Because it 431 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: sounds like you've kind of found yourself now and you've 432 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: had to do a lot of learning and self teaching, 433 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: which means you probably tripped on some hurdles along the way. 434 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, honey, I had a big hurdle two years ago. 435 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: You heard all about it. That was my biggest mistake 436 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: I've ever made in my life. 437 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: Not a lot of discretion on the Yeah, I know, 438 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: the divorce and it's very public. 439 00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: And I was. 440 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 3: Literally three years old when I met him, three years old. 441 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: I was so clueless and he he was like this genius, 442 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: world traveled and elegant. Like there's so many like warning 443 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: signs like looking back now sells a big company buys 444 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 3: a lingerie brand, and a model eng agency like that 445 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 3: should have told me everything I need to know. You know, 446 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: so many warning signs, but of course I was literally 447 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: three years old. I didn't know anything. I was such 448 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: a freaking trial. And to your point, you know, I 449 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 3: actually first started dating dating dating, because when I first 450 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 3: left the community, I'm gonna be honest, it wasn't dating. 451 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: It was I want to have sex with people. So 452 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: it was like experimentation. And then I met my boyfriend 453 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: and I broke up with him, and then I met Solia, 454 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: So I never actually dated, and so when the divorce happened, 455 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: it was the first time in my life I was like, 456 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: I don't know how to date, Like what do you do? 457 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 3: And so I started, you know, all the apps, and 458 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: it's been the most extraordinary experience for me. Like I 459 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: know that people's think are going to think I'm crazy, 460 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: but for me, here's the thing that really it shook me. 461 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 3: So I was on Riya. You know, it's a dating 462 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: app like for people like me, and there's this feature 463 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: there that if you're on Riah Premium or whatever it is, 464 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: you can see who likes you first right, and then 465 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: you can decide as a woman. So I bought that 466 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: feature and I'm scrolling through and I'm going no, no, 467 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: and then I'm about to hit the X button and 468 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: then I look up on top of the screen and 469 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: it says that he had liked me, and I was like, oh, 470 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: do I need to hit the Y button? And then 471 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: I saw myself. I'm like, a second ago, I was 472 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 3: going to say no to him. The minute I saw 473 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: that he had said yes to me, my monthly brain said, oh, 474 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 3: the man wants something, you give it to him. And 475 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 3: I was about to switch to a yes, just because 476 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: that's what he wanted. And I stopped myself and I said, 477 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: Julia Hart, three seconds ago, before you saw what he wanted, 478 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 3: you were going to say no. And you can stick 479 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: to that note. And it was the most one of 480 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: the most empowering moments of my Again, next iteration of 481 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: I guess Julia Hart three point zero was this realization 482 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: that in my personal life, I have a long way 483 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: to go before I become a truly independent woman who 484 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like an inferior being to men. And I'm 485 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: always going to garden, so now I just have to 486 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: be much more careful who I allow into the garden, 487 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: and not just flowers. No more flowers, if you know 488 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: any gardeners. 489 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: I think that you're saying something that actually very few 490 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: single people say, which is that you're liking being single, 491 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: Like you're liking the journey you're on right now. 492 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: I am. I'm loving it. This has been so that's 493 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: an adventure. I've learned so much about myself and it's 494 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: really nice to say. No, it's freaking empowering. I love it. 495 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: And I actually think like from what you're saying, your 496 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: story does sound familiar to me in that I think 497 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: when you first got to New York and tell me 498 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: if you agree, but you were almost in that like 499 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: college dating phase. If you'd grown up normally in America, 500 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: high school, college experimenting, losing your virginity, experimenting literally, then 501 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: it was almost like you were kind of the late college, 502 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: fresh out of college, young twenty something, even though you 503 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: were in your forties. Who thinks I found the one 504 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: and I'm getting married and then you kind of are 505 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: married to that person for a while, and then you're like, wait, 506 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 2: did I ever realize? 507 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 3: Who? 508 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: Did I ever find myself? And now you're in that 509 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: finding yourself phase? 510 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: I love it and yes to all the above. 511 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: But what's great is you've wound up actually like your 512 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: age is now the same as a lot of people 513 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: who are in this space. I know a lot of 514 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: people do this. I got married at twenty two, divorced 515 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: twenty years later. 516 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 3: Thing. Yeah, but I think the difference with me is, like, 517 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 3: you know, I'm eleven years old, right, I'm fifty three 518 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 3: on one hand, but I'm also eleven. Meaning I'm just 519 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: getting started the Plus Body that we launched it this season. 520 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: It's going to be in thirty stores. We just launched 521 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: it last year. I've got another two brands coming this 522 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 3: year and another television show. 523 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Are we going to get more of my unorthodox life? 524 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: Legally not allowed to. 525 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Say, Well, what it's going to include is allegedly her dating. 526 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 3: So I'm just getting started, and I found that dating 527 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: guys my age generally obviously there's exceptions. Happy to meet 528 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: the exception, happy to date the exception, but they want 529 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: to play golf and they want to retire, and I'm like, 530 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna help the world. I'm going to make the 531 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: world a better place. I'm gonna change this, I'm gonna 532 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: change that. I'm going to invent this, and like I'm 533 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: just getting started and I need that energy. So you know, 534 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: I got made you people made it so much fun 535 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: of me because I keep dating guides in their late 536 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: twenties and early thirties. But in a way, to your point, 537 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: we're kind of in the same place. I'm eleven years 538 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: in the workforce. If you're in your mid thirties, that's 539 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: where you are. You're eleven years and to your workforce. 540 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: So you know, I need that energy, that excitement. Like 541 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: I have so many plans and I really do want 542 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: to change the world as goofy as that sounds. So yeah, 543 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: I need someone with that of energy to hang out 544 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: with me. 545 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: Anybody special in your life right now? 546 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: No? No, not, you know, I apparently I'm a serial monogamoust. 547 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: I get like very intense and I'm like, okay. 548 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: Goodbye, welcome into my garden. It's not the guard Instead 549 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: and Julia I mean, you know, we talked about it 550 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 2: a little bit, but you have since the last time 551 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: I've seen you. You are now in the middle of 552 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: this high profile what sounds like a very tough divorce. 553 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: And look, Chris and I are both divorced. We are 554 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: sending you our love. I can't imagine what you're going through. 555 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: But what have you learned in this divorce process? What 556 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: would you potentially advise other women, considering you've spent so 557 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: much of your life kind of standing up. Don't get married. 558 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: Don't put a legal god drag out of love. That's 559 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: my absolute advice. Really do not. I am never getting 560 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: married again. I believe in love. I want to live 561 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: with someone for the rest of my life. I'm a nurturer. 562 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: I need someone to love like that. It's what I do. 563 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: I want someone to choose every single day of their 564 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: life when they wake up next to me, that they 565 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: want to be with me, not because they don't want 566 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: to go through a divorce, and not for any financial reason, 567 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: but because they choose me every day. That's what I want. 568 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: And I think you know, when you're young, I get 569 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: I understand marriage because I think children with children, I 570 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of benefits in marriage. Your kids 571 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: need to know that you're legally required to show up 572 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: every day, you know, and when you're pregnant and you're 573 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: nauseous and you're cranky, it's nice to know you're married 574 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: to someone, right. I get that. However, I think the 575 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: next stage of your life, once you've had your kids, 576 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: if you're divorced, don't get me married, don't do it. 577 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: Interesting, Julia, this is the first time anyone's ever said 578 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: that on this podcast, so you have this is the 579 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: first time, and I am in awe. 580 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: I think you know, I had this crazy idea, although honestly, 581 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 3: I think it would solve so many problems and fix 582 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: so much in the court cases and the court system, 583 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: which is not ideal. To put it mildly, imagine if 584 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 3: a marriage license was like a driver's license and you 585 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: could renew it every seven year. 586 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: Chris and I have said this, Actually we've said it's 587 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: why is marriage the one contract you never renew and renegotiated? 588 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: That's right, exactly, like the marriage contract is the only 589 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: contract that's like forever, you know, we change, we grow, 590 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: and especially think about it, go back a couple hundred years, 591 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: people died the average age of death was thirty six. 592 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 3: You were married. Even if they you know, they got 593 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 3: married much younger thirteen, fourteen, fifty. Still you're married twenty years. 594 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: Nowadays we get we're still getting married in our late twenties, 595 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: early thirties, and then we're living into our one hundred twenties. 596 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I said this, ninety. 597 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: Years with the same person, long time, long, long time. 598 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: And think about how many times we change. Like you said, 599 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: I you know, the phoenix rising from the ads just metamorphouses. 600 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm on Julia three point zero. Who knows what Julia 601 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: four point oh. 602 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what that is. 603 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: We are in complete all of your story, so excited 604 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: for your new shapewere line for your new show. And 605 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: it's so good to see you again and thank you 606 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: for sharing all of the ups and downs and triumphs. 607 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: Well, if you guys are ever in New York, you 608 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: let me know, and you know, well, come hang out 609 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 3: with me. Heck yeah, and I got to get try 610 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 3: that shape Austin barbecue with you. 611 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly. Julia, thank you so much for the time. 612 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate its pleasure to meet you. 613 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: By guys, take care, great and great to see you. 614 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 615 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 616 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a 617 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 618 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: next time.