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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like T. D. Lambs and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. There

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Speaker 1: are one hundred in twenty seven days until the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft April twenty ninth, of twenty twenty one. We are

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Speaker 1: on the last episode of twenty twenty though, actually I

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Speaker 1: take that back. We've got one more, I guess next week,

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Speaker 1: but the last one with these two guys, Jeff Cavanaugh

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Speaker 1: and Dane Brugler. I'm Kyle Yeoman's here on the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're

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Speaker 1: with us. We're gonna hit a ton of names today

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Speaker 1: because you know, it's the Hall of Day season and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna gift a ton of names off of the

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Speaker 1: list of Dane Brugler and Jeff Cavanaugh here over the

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Speaker 1: next forty five minutes. No Kat today is he is

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Speaker 1: out at the moment, but we wish Kat the best.

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Speaker 1: We won't have him back on once the new year turns.

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Speaker 1: But I want to address something really quickly right off

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Speaker 1: the top of this show, and we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. We're gona talk about the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: But the Cowboys gotta win. On Sunday, they defeated the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers forty one to thirty three,

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Speaker 1: and Jeff is Jeff is pumping his fist, but he

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Speaker 1: also on our little WebEx call said rip to Captain

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Speaker 1: trade down. Jeff is Captain trade Down dead at the moment,

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Speaker 1: he is he done because of this Cowboys win. Well,

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Speaker 1: dead is a very extreme term, but I guess I

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Speaker 1: did put our ip. He did so Team Tank Team

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Speaker 1: Tank through a tread so it's kind of stuck and

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Speaker 1: doing circle and Captain Trade Down has been unseated from

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Speaker 1: the horse. He couldn't hold on for the eight seconds

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Speaker 1: tough spot. We're currently Uh, I'm gonna have to get

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Speaker 1: a new shirt. You see, you have to capt trade

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Speaker 1: down shirt. He kept trade down but yeah, thank you. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get a Captain stick and pick shirt.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to do something different. Cap

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Speaker 1: captain trade down's in peril or in peril right now?

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Speaker 1: He sent a little bit of trouble And Dan, I

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Speaker 1: know you had talked about earlier in one of the

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Speaker 1: previous shows that we had that you were okay with

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Speaker 1: trading down. Are you are you on Captain sticking Pick's

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Speaker 1: right hand side this time? Are you are you rolling

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Speaker 1: with still with captain trade down? As the Cowboys currently

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Speaker 1: sitting ninth, Yeah, and well last week they were with

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Speaker 1: that Charger's win, it felt like the Cowboys were in

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Speaker 1: still think they're in a position to trade back. You know,

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Speaker 1: you look at some of the teams that are directly

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Speaker 1: it just it brings up a new different scenario with

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Speaker 1: So from a Cowboys perspective, I hope the Jets do

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Speaker 1: twenty one show. Kyle Yeoman's Dane Brugler along with Captain

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Speaker 1: as always, and we're gonna start things off from fanatic

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Speaker 1: cowboy And this is the one I tas going into

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Speaker 1: the break, gentlemen, But what is the best range for

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Speaker 1: an off ball linebacker in this class? We'll start with

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Speaker 1: mister Dane Brugler on this, And I mean we talked

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Speaker 1: about Michael Parsons early on. Is there another off ball

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Speaker 1: linebacker later in the draft, maybe a Nick Bolton that

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Speaker 1: could potentially scoot their way into the first round. But

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Speaker 1: what's the sweet spot for that position. I think it's

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Speaker 1: pretty spread out. Like I don't I wouldn't call it

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Speaker 1: a deep position this year. But you know, you have

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons who's probably gonna be a top twelve pick,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Usu Koramoa who's probably going to be somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the top twenty. Is Aven Collins some probably somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the top twenty. Nick Bolton I think will be somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the back half a round one, and only because

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams won't be on board

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Speaker 1: with the lack of length with Bolton. But could we

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Speaker 1: see maybe a Chasserat out of North Carolina sneak into

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Speaker 1: that top thirty, top forty conversation. Absolutely, So this is

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Speaker 1: a draft where I don't think it's a very you know,

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Speaker 1: deep position at linebacker, But every ten picks or so,

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Speaker 1: there's another linebacker that's kind of worth it. You know,

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Speaker 1: Baron Browning right there as a borderline top fifty guy

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Speaker 1: out of Ohio State, Jabril Cox out of LSU. He's

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Speaker 1: in that maybe back half a round two areas. So,

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Speaker 1: now this is a it's a position where I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have options. You don't have to take a

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Speaker 1: guy early to get to get a linebacker. You can

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Speaker 1: wait till the second round and still feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: about your options. Jeff, I think that's I think that

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Speaker 1: is what worries me about Micah Parsons. Where because Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, out of all those guys he's naming, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is the most freak show of an athlete.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he wasn't a very good

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Speaker 1: me is watching him for NFL purposes. I watch him

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Speaker 1: make some risky decisions like trying to shoot gaps that

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Speaker 1: lead to missed plays and just trying to sort of

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Speaker 1: hero ball it up, and he's not always immediately reading

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Speaker 1: and reacting properly. And then you start watching there's guys

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Speaker 1: that don't have his physical gifts and we do this,

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Speaker 1: the teams have to do this at every position with

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Speaker 1: every player. But you're weighing like, Okay, Micah parsons ceiling

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Speaker 1: is way up there, somewhere beyond the roof Bobby Wedder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but would you feel better picking a guy that you're

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Speaker 1: much more comfortable with his floor? When you're talking about

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Speaker 1: an off the ball linebacker forty picks later, I would

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Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, But I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's just kind of where I am with Micah Parsons

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Speaker 1: at this point. Is I kind of like a lot

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Speaker 1: of those other guys. And if you told me I

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Speaker 1: could pick my linebacker and the thirties or forties, that

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Speaker 1: I feel better about the floor than I do with Parsons.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the range for me. I

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Speaker 1: like that a lot, I really do. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of guy is in there. And I know

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Speaker 1: we just named a bunch of guys, but Jabril Cox

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Speaker 1: is in that conversation for me. Uh, Nick Bolton, we've

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Speaker 1: already mentioned Dan. Can you say his name one more time?

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Speaker 1: The the Notre Dame linebacker frecher junior Jeremiah woosu Koramoa. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is that who? Actually, he just won the Butt Kiss

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Speaker 1: Award for the College Football's top linebacker. So it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting talking or watching him, uh in the College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff semi final against Alabama, you know, against Naji Harris

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Speaker 1: and everything that offense is going to throw at that defense.

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Speaker 1: So Woosukoramoa is an explosive guy who is kind of

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Speaker 1: like this year Isaiah Yes Zaiah Simmons from last year,

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Speaker 1: who just the versatile jack of all trades. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: can play him as a blitzer, you can line them

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Speaker 1: up in the slot, you can play him as a

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Speaker 1: traditional offball overhang linebacker. You just do a lot of

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Speaker 1: things with him, and that versatility is the key. You

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Speaker 1: think he's Uh, where do you have him on your

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Speaker 1: board right now? Do you have him up above like

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Speaker 1: a chatter rot at the at the moment or where

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Speaker 1: is he sitting at this time? Yeah, I think he's

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Speaker 1: He's he's right positioned to be the second linebacker. I

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Speaker 1: think him, Zaven Collins, they're they're kind of fighting out

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Speaker 1: and I think Nick Bolton. I throw him in there

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Speaker 1: as well as the linebackers fighting to be the second

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Speaker 1: linebacker drafted. Gotcha there. I mean, there's a ton of

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Speaker 1: guys there, and that's the that's the thing about this

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Speaker 1: this position. Whenever it comes to linebackers, there's some top

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Speaker 1: heavy names like the Micah Parsons of the world, but

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Speaker 1: there's options later on. And that's kind of what Jeff

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Speaker 1: was talking about a moment ago. Uh. Second question here,

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Speaker 1: from the Star Vision. He says, who are the top

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Speaker 1: five safeties in this draft? And he says he wants

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Speaker 1: to pair somebody with Donovan Wilson, Jeff, who are your

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Speaker 1: top five safeties? Oh man, I'm gonna preface this with

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Speaker 1: I don't love the safety class. I don't love this

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Speaker 1: class so far. So interestingly, the best guy I've seen

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Speaker 1: I have no idea if he's going to be in

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Speaker 1: the draft, and I'm told and Dane can take us

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Speaker 1: down this road because Dane is the best in the

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Speaker 1: country at this draft stuff. But my favorite guy that

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Speaker 1: I've actually seen on tape was the twenty nineteen tape

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Speaker 1: of the five eighth safety from TCU or Darius Washington,

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Speaker 1: and I'm told that twenty twenty hasn't been going as

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Speaker 1: well for him and that his teammate Trevan Merrig maybe

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Speaker 1: the top safety in this class. I didn't love Merrick

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Speaker 1: on the nineteen tape. So this is one of those

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Speaker 1: things where it's December and I haven't seen twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: stuff yet. But my favorite safeties that I've seen are

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Speaker 1: actually Gillespie at Missouri and Niscyraldine at Florida State, and

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Speaker 1: they're very different the Florida State is like six to

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Speaker 1: four to twenty. He looks like Cam Chancellor. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that he pairs with Donovan Wilson ideally because I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to play center field, but he

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Speaker 1: could play deep half. He can play down Javon Holland

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Speaker 1: I don't love in Oregon. He's okay. Marrig his nineteen

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Speaker 1: tape is okay. So I defer to Dane and say,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the twenty twenty and what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: see from some of these guys. Jeff, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you first, would you think of Andre Cisco out of Syracuse? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: andre Cisco is a really popular name that I hear

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Speaker 1: from Cowboy fans because of his thirteen career interceptions. I

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Speaker 1: think he probably gave up twice as many touchdowns as

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Speaker 1: he had interceptions. So I'm terrified of Andre Cisco. Like

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Speaker 1: everybody's telling me he runs with four to three. I'm

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Speaker 1: watching him misstackles in the open field and then not

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Speaker 1: run down guys who don't run four threes. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he runs a football four to three,

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Speaker 1: and so like guys who catch them ball in front

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Speaker 1: of him get around him. And beat him to the

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Speaker 1: end zone. I think his awareness to cover deep as

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Speaker 1: a free safety is not good. So I think he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that has great stats and I'm told he's

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Speaker 1: a great athlete, but on tape he's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the guys where I if you're talking about

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Speaker 1: picking him in the top sixty, seventy eighty, I'll let

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Speaker 1: somebody else do it. All right, Dane, where are you

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Speaker 1: sitting at in this safety class? Well, I think that

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Speaker 1: a lot of what would Jeff was saying, I agree

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Speaker 1: with it's hard to love any of these guys. Morey

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Speaker 1: got a TCU still as my top guy. I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at his range, his ball skills, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that you can work with there. Javon Holland

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Speaker 1: out of Oregon, he's kind of your prototypical big nickel

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Speaker 1: safety type who I don't love as a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I love him as a top forty pick.

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Speaker 1: I think he's more of a mid second type of player.

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Speaker 1: The interesting name here is Sean Waite out of Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: and it's a it's a projection because this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who played inside corner last year as a nickel

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Speaker 1: moved him the outside corner this year, where I thought

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Speaker 1: he would he would fit better because of his size,

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Speaker 1: because of his ability to turn and run, and he

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Speaker 1: just look lost as an outside corner. So now we

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Speaker 1: have to figure out what to do with him. And

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Speaker 1: he's a big athlete who can tackle, and you just

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Speaker 1: have to figure out from a you know, read and

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Speaker 1: react standpoint, can't he play off and be a safety,

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Speaker 1: a guy that can play the nickel, that can you know,

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Speaker 1: play single high, do what everything you want out of

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Speaker 1: a Safety's that's what we have to figure out because

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Speaker 1: Sean Wade, to me, is the interesting name in this

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Speaker 1: discussion where his best position on the field might be

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Speaker 1: lined up as that kind of versatile, do everything type

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Speaker 1: of safety. Yeah, and I liked his tape in the

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Speaker 1: slot as well. I think Sean Wade was better in

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Speaker 1: the slot than he was by at any point this

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Speaker 1: season on the outside. And I don't know, maybe we

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Speaker 1: thought the move to the outside would have worked for Wade,

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Speaker 1: but of course it didn't and he ended up having

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Speaker 1: some issues out there. Maybe the move to safety does

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Speaker 1: the same thing. That's what worries me about Sean Wade.

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Speaker 1: But Nassiri Dean out of Florida State. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna be at the Senior Bowl, has

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Speaker 1: already accepted as Senior Bowl invite, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be one of the guys that I have circled

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Speaker 1: all that week of who how does he stand up

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Speaker 1: against some of these other players, some of these other

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Speaker 1: these linebackers. And I know it's tough to kind of

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Speaker 1: figure out or excuse me, safeties and we're talking safeties here,

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of tough to figure out safeties at

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Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl like that. We tried to do it

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Speaker 1: last year with Kyle Dugger and things like that, but

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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that I have my eye on. Now.

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Speaker 1: in terms of guys that we can look at as

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Speaker 1: your early candidate for a pet cat, somebody who is

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Speaker 1: into the early parts of the draft or somebody that

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Speaker 1: there's a few. Bulling Green's got a tight end Quentin Morris,

729
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: who is not a well known name. He's a former

730
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Speaker 1: wide receiver making the move to tight end. Bulkan up.

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00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: player who equipment Morris is if you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: tight end somewhere in the mid rounds, I think he's

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Speaker 1: the guy you need to look at. And then you

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Speaker 1: know keeping a wide receiver, uh, you know this is

736
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Speaker 1: another deep wide receiver group. I mean you could really

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Speaker 1: point to a lot of names here that are highly,

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Speaker 1: highly intriguing. Maury Rodgers at a Clemson is a guy

739
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: that grows on me more and more every time I

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00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: watch him. He's when you watch him on tape, it

741
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,880
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742
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743
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Deebo Samuel to a Mari Rodgers

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Speaker 1: just with the way he plays. He's got that running

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Speaker 1: back body after the catch. You know he lines up

746
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Speaker 1: in the slot, but he can beat you horizontally vertically.

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Speaker 1: If I'm the Jets of the Jaguars, whoever takes Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence with the first pick, Maury Rodgers would be the

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Speaker 1: guy I'd be targeting and say the third round to

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Speaker 1: pair of those guys back up, because he's just a

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Speaker 1: really talented player who I don't think he's getting talked

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Speaker 1: about enough. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he

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Speaker 1: ends up being one of the first ten receivers drafted

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Speaker 1: this year. Wow. So you okay, So Maury Rogers, do

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Speaker 1: you have him over Justin Ross out of the Clemson

756
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Speaker 1: wide receivers or is he is Justin Ross still above

757
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Speaker 1: him on your board? Well, Justin Ross is a freak,

758
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Speaker 1: and I don't honestly, he's not on my board right now,

759
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Speaker 1: just because we have no idea what's going on with

760
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Speaker 1: the medicals, very very serious neck issue, you know. So

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Speaker 1: when he's finally cleared and he's part of this draft class,

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Speaker 1: then we'll kind of cross that bridge. But you know

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Speaker 1: it's Maury Rodgers is a guy that just the more

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Speaker 1: you're watch him, the more you're just like, this guy

765
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Speaker 1: just plays and he could play special teams. He can

766
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Speaker 1: line up all over the formation that the program there

767
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: loves him. So just a big fan of Maury Rogers

768
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: and what he can do for you. Yeah, both those

769
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: guys are stout players now. Jeff early candidate for pet

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Speaker 1: cat here in December. I know it's way early, but

771
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Speaker 1: who you got, Yeah, it's December, man. This is a

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler special. I guess one of the safeties I named.

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Speaker 1: I guess I would go Tyree Gillespie because he's the

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Speaker 1: name that I haven't heard much. So I'm in on

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00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: a couple of Missouri defenders. Gillespie is one of them.

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Speaker 1: And of course Nick, I mean Nick Bolton is of

777
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: course my pet cat at the linebacker there. But their

778
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: safety has zero career picks zero. And I'm sitting there

779
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: watching him play free safety, and I'm watching him cover

780
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts and just I'm watching him and I'm like,

781
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: that guy looks like a starting NFL safety. And I'm

782
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: watching all the other guys that are considered better prospects,

783
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't trust any of these guys,

784
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Speaker 1: and I do trust the guy who has zero career picks.

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Speaker 1: So that's the way the world works sometimes, So I'll

786
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Speaker 1: go Tyree Gillespie, Missouri safety, you know, and Tyree Gillespie's

787
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: a guy who I watched a little bit of because

788
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: I was watching Bolton and I was watching one of

789
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Speaker 1: the other Missouri safeties and bloods that has already accepted

790
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: his Senior Bowl invite. But whenever it comes to Gillespie Dane,

791
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: where does he sit where on your board? Because I

792
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: think with Missouri there's a lot of these guys, like

793
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: Jeff just said, that are pretty much they're the players,

794
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: but not necessarily the prospects that you're looking at. Yeah, no,

795
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big Gillespie fan. Nasarel Deane and then

796
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Gillespie the top two senior safeties for me this year.

797
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: I think you guys think pretty similar in that regard Gillespie,

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00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: He's just he's a guy that you know, his effort

799
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: out there is fantastic, both on defense and special teams.

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00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: He times his hits well, he'll separate man from ball

801
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: the range that he shows his ability to see it

802
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: and go. He's not overthinking things out there, and then

803
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: he'll drive through his target as a tackler and as

804
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: a blitzer. So he just the way he'll explode into contact.

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00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: He gives as good as he gets. So Tyrede Gillespie

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Speaker 1: a big face and in this draft, and you know,

807
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: if he's if he's available, I don't know that he's

808
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: gonna sneak into the top one hundred. So if he's

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Speaker 1: available to me at the top half of the fourth round,

810
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: that's an easy pick for me. Okay, So final question

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00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: But three most likely players to be drafted by the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Once again, Jeff, I know it's super early,

815
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and I know it's it's super super early, and you

816
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: guys can say the same, same players, but we'll start

817
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: with Dane. Top three players to be picked by the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys as we sit at this moment. First round, right,

819
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Speaker 1: first round, guys, Yes, just to make it easy, we

820
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: don't need to go later than draft, all right, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say three different positions just to keep it

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Speaker 1: keep it spicy. Let's go with with Klea Farley, a

823
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: Virginia tech corner who six two two five is gonna

824
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: run a four four or his best football is still

825
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: ahead of him. A big fan of Farley. Michael Parsons,

826
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Speaker 1: the linebacker right of Penn State, who can give you

827
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Speaker 1: rush help? Can you know he's the big time athlete?

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Speaker 1: You know, you draft him top ten with the hopes

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Speaker 1: that he becomes Bobby Wagner. And then for a third,

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Speaker 1: let's say Kyle Pitts. Uh, you know, I know, it

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Speaker 1: just seems like you're why not make a strength even

832
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Speaker 1: more of a strength? You know? Why not? You know,

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Speaker 1: add him because he can block like he's not He's

834
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: not going to drive defenders off the ball, but he

835
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Speaker 1: can get in the way. He can do his job,

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Speaker 1: and so you can use him in line. But the

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Speaker 1: reason you draft him that high is because what he

838
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: can do down the field. If you got if you

839
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: have your three receivers out there plus Pitts running down

840
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Speaker 1: the scene, good luck for any defense trying to cover

841
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Speaker 1: the team. Fifty Burger is alive. And well, all right, Jeff,

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00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: who are your three guys? Why not? Well? I probably

843
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: like Dane's three better than my three because I pretty

844
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: much agree with his three. So all I'm gonna do

845
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna change out one. Okay, because I'm more

846
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: interested in being right than giving you other names. So

847
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Micah Parsons. I'm gonna go Caleb Farley

848
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: and instead of Pits. No, I'm either gonna go Rashaan

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Speaker 1: Slater or I'm gonna go Patrick Certan. Pick one of them.

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00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: I'll go Slate, I'll go Slater, Farley Parsons, Rashawn Slater

851
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, linebacker, corner. Okay, I'm interested. I know we're

852
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: out of time, but I'm gonna ask this anyways because

853
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: I can do this. But whenever it comes to Certain

854
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: and Farley, I know there's still a long way to go.

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00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: But we talked about this in the break. But why

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00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: do you guys both have Farley over Certain Because I

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00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: know a lot of people haven't flip flop the other way,

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00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: including myself. I like Certain better than Farley right now,

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00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: but I want to know why you guys have Farley

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00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: on top. The more I see of Curtan, the more

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00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: what I don't trust him to do is be a

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00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: guy that's going to shadow a team's number one wide receiver,

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00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: and I think Caleb Farley absolutely has a chance to

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00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: be that guy. I think Caleb Farley's athleticism gives him

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00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to say, hey, this week we

866
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: are playing against I'm just trying to think of random

867
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: teams and their number one receivers. Hey we got Tyree Hill.

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00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Good luck, guys. I think Farley's got a chance and

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00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Curtain's dead in the water, and then next week if

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00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: it's a big receiver, no problem. I think Curtan is

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00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: probably more scheme and matchup dependent, and the more I've

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00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: seen of him, the more I actually do see him

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00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: getting called for some pi's as well. So I like

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00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: Curtain as being a starting NFL cornerback for a long time.

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00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: I like Farley's potential to be a star. Dan, do

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00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: you agree that the potential to be a star for

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00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Farley is much better and much higher than Patrick Certain

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00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: and then also the penalties being an issue for Certain

879
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: out there? Yeah, I mean I do, And I mean

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00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: look with Certain, you have a guy that's very polished,

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00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: he does a nice job staying in phase, and he's smooth, instinctive.

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00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: The game seems to slow down for him a little

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00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: bit at the corner position. I just want a more

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00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: sudden player, and that's what it comes down to for me.

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00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: That's the difference is you know, with Farley, you got

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00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: guy with a little more juice his ability. He also

887
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: has instincts, He also has, you know, a lot of

888
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: the things that you look for at the corner, but

889
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: his reaction skills and the movements are what really shine.

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00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: And so the ceiling I think is much higher for

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00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Certan over Certain for Farley, and that's why he's my

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00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: number one corner at this moment. I think the opt

893
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: out scares me with Farley, and maybe that's the case,

894
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: but I like what I've seen from the twenty twenty

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00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: tape of of Certain more so than what I liked

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00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen Farley. But a man I really wish

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00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: Farley would have had at twenty twenty. I feel like

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00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: I would feel much differently if if Farley had had

899
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty season to go off of. But this

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00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: will be a debate that continues to Ray John, I

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00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: may even ask this on the with the other group

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00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: of guys and see how they fare with with the

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00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: both of them and where they stand right now before

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00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: we really get into the rest of this draft process.

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00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it here for us. On the

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Speaker 1: Draft show by the way I joked about Derek hopping

907
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: down and kicking us out, he legitimately just walked into

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00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: the studio and set his stuff down. So yeah, I

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00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of do have to get out of here now

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00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: at this point. But that'll do it, Jeff says. Hi.

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Speaker 1: So for Katie unfortunately not with us, he'll be back

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Speaker 1: after the turn of the new year. But for Dan Brugler,

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Speaker 1: for Jeff kavanaughm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.

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