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Speaker 3: dot com. All right, let's turn it down to the

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Speaker 3: full Tucker Carlson Ted Cruz interview. I gotta tell this,

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Speaker 3: it's probably maybe one of the top five moments of

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Speaker 3: my life was watching Ted Cruz get owned completely into

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Speaker 3: the sun. This clip has been more viral than any

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Speaker 3: news clip that I have seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm well left right, so it's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to say, listen, I understand why

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Speaker 2: the right loves this guy. It's fun when he's on

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Speaker 2: your side. Well, this was a treat to watch. I

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Speaker 2: have to say the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to have you with us, at least for

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Speaker 3: a moment. There's a reason he's been in generational talent.

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Speaker 1: For thirty years. Let's start, though.

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Speaker 3: There are several moments of this which I think are

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Speaker 3: really important. First and foremost is actually getting to the

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Speaker 3: core of Ted Cruz's ideology, of his explanations, and of

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Speaker 3: the vicious tactics that a lot of people who are

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Speaker 3: Israel supporters use to shut down the debate around striking Iran.

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Speaker 3: First and foremost is anti Semitism. Now, you're going to

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Speaker 3: watch here in this clip where Ted Cruz says that

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Speaker 3: one of his pledges sworn pledges when entering the United

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Speaker 3: States Senate it was to be the main defender of

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Speaker 3: the state of Israel, and then also accused Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 3: at the same time of saying he is obsessed with Israel.

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Speaker 3: Every accusation is a confession.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: It's just interesting because what you're now describing in a

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Speaker 4: very defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence over

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Speaker 4: our politics. Now, and you began, and it's so transparently

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Speaker 4: obvious to everybody. I don't know why you would be

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Speaker 4: embarrassed of it. You've said that you are sincerely for Israel.

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Speaker 4: I believe you. I don't think you have some weird

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Speaker 5: You seem to be, by the way, Tucker, it's a

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Speaker 5: very weird thing, the obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking

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Speaker 5: about for it. You're not talking about Chinese, you're not

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Speaker 5: talking about Japanese, you're not talking about the Brits, you're

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Speaker 5: not talking about the French. The question what about the Jews?

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Speaker 5: What about the Jews? Like anti semi?

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, you're just.

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Speaker 5: In the question you're asking why are the Jews controlling

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Speaker 5: our foreign policy?

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Speaker 4: And that's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and

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Speaker 4: I have that that's exactly what you just said.

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, I.

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Speaker 4: Can speak for myself and tell you what I am

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Speaker 4: saying on behalf, not simply of myself, but on my

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Speaker 4: many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which

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Speaker 4: is to what extent? And it's interesting you're trying to

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Speaker 4: derail my questions by following me an anti semi, which

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Speaker 4: you are. I did not, of course you are. And

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Speaker 4: and rather than be honorable enough to say it right

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Speaker 4: to my face. I are city squeezy feeline way implying

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Speaker 4: it or just asking questions about the Jews. I'm asking

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Speaker 4: questions about the Jews I have. There's nothing to do

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Speaker 5: Is in Israel controlling our foreign policy. That's not about

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Speaker 5: the you said I'm asked by. You're the one that

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Speaker 5: just called me, I think a sleazy feline.

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Speaker 4: So it's sleazy to imply that I'm an anti Semite,

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Speaker 4: which you just did.

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Speaker 5: No, I just you're asking give me another reason if

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Speaker 5: you're not an anti Semi, give me another reason why

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Speaker 5: the obsession is Israel.

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Speaker 4: I am, in no sense obsessed with Israel. We are

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Speaker 4: on the brink of war with Iran, and so these

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Speaker 5: But you're not.

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Speaker 4: If I can finish, you asked me why I'm obsessed

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Speaker 4: which yes, to defend Israel. Yes, And I'm the one

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Speaker 4: who's obsessed with Israel. I don't see a lawmaker's job

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Speaker 4: as defending the interest of a foreign government, period, Any government,

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Speaker 4: including the ones that my ancestors come from.

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Speaker 5: So that's my position.

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Speaker 4: That does not make me an anti Semite, and shame

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Speaker 4: on you for suggesting otherwise.

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Speaker 3: And I mean that, yeah, that is exactly That is

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Speaker 3: how that should be handled. Is that this guy says,

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Speaker 3: one of my sworn pledges is to enter the United

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Speaker 3: States Senate and be a sworn defender of the State

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Speaker 3: of Israel.

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Speaker 6: Be the strongest defender of the State of Israel.

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Speaker 3: And then says, you are obsessed with Israel. You know

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Speaker 3: why we're not talking about the UK. Look, if a

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Speaker 3: UK wants to drag us into some shitty war, I'll

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Speaker 3: talk about the UK all day long. If Japan wants

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Speaker 3: about that well.

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Speaker 2: And he says that they're talking about a Rod and

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Speaker 2: the Mullus because we're not giving them.

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Speaker 6: We're not like giving them the bombs. We're talking about

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Speaker 6: the country that.

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Speaker 2: We said billions of dollars to every year that has

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Speaker 2: helped persuade our president.

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Speaker 6: And again he's a willing participant.

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Speaker 2: To get into an insane war, like of course we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: That is yeah, and I love that he.

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Speaker 6: Calls him out on how he's just trying to.

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Speaker 2: Like suggest it, like fucking man up and say it

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Speaker 2: to my face then, And I can't. I cannot tell

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Speaker 2: you how many times I remember Dean Phillips doing this,

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Speaker 2: in particular when I interviewed him where Yeah, well, why

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Speaker 2: are you so interested in the Jews? Yes, first of all,

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Speaker 2: no one said anything about the Jews. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: a foreign government. And actually, thank you very much, it's

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Speaker 2: quite anti semitic to conflate every Jew with this foreign

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Speaker 2: governm if you want to talk about actual anti semitism.

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Speaker 2: So it felt so good to see him call out

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Speaker 2: his sleazy feeline suggestion here instead of just listen, if

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Speaker 2: you want to call me an anti semi do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so is the best Israel is both a

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Speaker 3: multi ethnic incredible democracy or it's a Jewish state, and

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, which is actually twenty five percent of

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Speaker 3: your own population? Oh yeah, by the way, I actually

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Speaker 3: know something about population. Twenty five percent of that population

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Speaker 3: is not Jewish, all right, And they brag about that

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Speaker 3: all day long.

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Speaker 5: Right, They're like, oh look.

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Speaker 3: All yeah, but that's what they hold up, right, it's

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Speaker 3: a multi democracy. They got better rides here than they

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Speaker 3: do in any other country in the world. And it's like, well, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're just talking about the Jews, right, It's like you

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Speaker 3: can't have it both ways. And I was so glad

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Speaker 3: to see this defenestration on the anti semitism question because

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Speaker 3: they are the ones who use the anti Semitic tropes.

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Speaker 3: You can't talk about the State of Israel without being

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Speaker 3: than an anti semi yourself. And look, this is part

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Speaker 3: of a year's long campaign and especially post October seventh,

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Speaker 3: to conflate Zionism and Judaism itself with the state, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is anti Semitic. Remember, Joe Biden, not

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Speaker 3: a Jew in the world would be safe if the

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Speaker 3: State of Israel did not exist. They're more Jews living

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Speaker 3: in America. Okay, there's a huge Jews Jewish population in America.

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Speaker 2: There's no place that is more unsafe for Jews than Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, right.

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Speaker 3: In terms of being bombed in the Middle stry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: would you rather live in New York City?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather live in Tel Aviv? Right now?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to apac then, because this was

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Speaker 3: also an incredible moment because Tucker asks Ted Cruz whether

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Speaker 3: APAK is the foreign lobby and why it's not required

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Speaker 3: to be registered as such. And here you see Ted

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Speaker 3: Cruz twist himself into knots about APAC.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think I'm obsessed with this, okay, but

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are in like the question.

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Speaker 5: Israel spies on us? Well, so does every other country.

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Speaker 5: Why are you mad at israel I?

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Speaker 4: Guess no, No, I'm hardly the one who's I've never

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Speaker 4: taken money from the Israel lobby?

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Speaker 5: Have you taken money from the israel A pack? So

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Speaker 5: APAK raises a lot of money for me, But it's

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Speaker 5: actually a missnomer because the people who raised money are individuals,

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Speaker 5: So it's not the pack itself, but their individual members

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Speaker 5: in the American Israeli UH friendship and foreign lobby. No,

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Speaker 5: it's an American lobby. It's the A pack stands for

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Speaker 5: the America Israeli political action. What is it lobby for? So,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, not a whole lot effectively, Listen, I

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Speaker 5: came into to Congress thirteen years ago with the stated

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Speaker 5: intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the

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Speaker 5: United States Senate. I've worked every day to do that

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Speaker 5: a pack. A lot of times APAC I wish were

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Speaker 5: much more effective. Like they're there are the swamp terrified

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Speaker 5: of a pack and APAC.

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Speaker 4: I'm not terrified of a pack at all. I'm you're

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Speaker 4: the one who seems little uncomfortable. I'm asking now, I'm

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Speaker 4: not uncomfortable all. I'm just asking what APAC does. My

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Speaker 4: understanding having none, we could tell you that is the

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Speaker 4: lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government.

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Speaker 3: Oh actually, and by the way, you want some evidence

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 1: Who what c six? Please here up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Here we have a story from our friend David Dan

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Speaker 3: just you know from yesterday Ryan sayline and Ryan grim

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Speaker 3: is on that byline as well. A PAC demands democrats

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Speaker 3: quote stand with Israel. Okay, I don't know how much

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Speaker 3: evidence that I need to shove in your face to

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Speaker 3: show literal direct coord coordination between APAC and the State

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Speaker 3: of Israel, including photos post October seven showing a PAC

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Speaker 3: here in Washington, DC and across the United States on

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Speaker 3: every college campus in America, to basically turn US citizens

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Speaker 3: to foreign lobbyists. And by the way, fine, okay, but

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Speaker 3: then just be registered under the law, which is under

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Speaker 3: the Barker, Which is exactly the point that Tucker I

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Speaker 3: know lots of.

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Speaker 2: People who lobby for foreign curners. He's like, I'm related

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Speaker 2: to some of them, think his brother, they have to register?

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Speaker 2: Why does an APAC? And then he asked Ted cru

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Speaker 2: Is a really simple question, like because Ted Cruiz tries

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Speaker 2: to oh, well, they're not just representing what the Natanyahu

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Speaker 2: government wants. He's like, okay, I'm an example, one example.

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Speaker 2: Of course he can't do it. Yes, Oh well I

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Speaker 2: have to go back and look. Yeah, because there isn't one.

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Speaker 6: I have to go because there isn't one.

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Speaker 2: Because whatever it is that the current Israeli government, which

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Speaker 2: you know, off and on for decades at this point,

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Speaker 2: whatever they want, that's what APAC signs up for. How

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Speaker 5: You engage in reckless rhetoric with no faction. And to

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Speaker 5: This is you got me busted. No, I'm just saying, okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm my views. Look, I like Trump. I can't paign

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Speaker 5: for Trump. I know Trump.

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Speaker 4: I talked to him last night, not against Trump, and

441
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Speaker 4: you know that I but policy.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, look that's a very revealing exchange. And look,

443
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Speaker 3: Ted Cruise is correct. Trump does operationally get to Descisin.

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Speaker 2: This is the one point he got against Stucker to

445
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Speaker 2: be on.

446
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Speaker 3: But because it's a political point and it's one which

447
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Speaker 3: is Trumpian. But you know, again, I'm not gonna let

448
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Speaker 3: sit here and just let the record, you know, say

449
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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump gets to define America first at an

450
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Speaker 3: actual level when it's a movement which has existed since

451
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Speaker 3: the nineteen twenties. Any you know, this is preposterous. Operationally

452
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Speaker 3: it may be true, and that's actually a separate question,

453
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Speaker 3: but that's the part that really bugs me is the

454
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Speaker 3: way that it is being weaponized in that form. And also,

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Speaker 3: you know, look, there are at least some maga folks

456
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Speaker 3: out there who probably did vote for Donald Trump because

457
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Speaker 3: he's anti war or appear at anti war, believed he

458
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Speaker 3: was anti war.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not all of them, not a sizeable.

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Speaker 3: Percentage, ten, fifteen, twenty percent. Sure I'm claiming it is

461
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Speaker 3: a majority, But what's wrong with them for protesting against

462
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Speaker 3: us and say, hey, this is not what I believed

463
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Speaker 3: a lot of Biden supporters got upset at Biden over

464
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Speaker 3: Israel that they're like, hey, that's not what I thought

465
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Speaker 3: was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: A lot of George W.

467
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Speaker 3: Bush supporters got mad at him over the war in Iraq.

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Speaker 3: It's perfectly fine, normal and democratic small d you know,

469
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Speaker 3: to protest even when if somebody is doing something, even

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Speaker 3: if you did vote for them, that you don't support her,

471
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Speaker 3: you don't like because it doesn't conflict with the understanding

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Speaker 3: of what you had when.

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Speaker 2: You went, Well, what you're talking about is a normal

474
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Speaker 2: functioning political system, which we do not have. And I

475
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Speaker 2: mean that's the sad truth is, like, you know, whether

476
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Speaker 2: or not Tucker called Trump to apologize, it doesn't really

477
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Speaker 2: matter if it's true unless he actually comes out and

478
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Speaker 2: is like, no, I didn't do that, That's not what happened,

479
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: because then that just becomes facts in reality because Trump

480
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Speaker 2: says that it is. You know, if you listen to

481
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Speaker 2: the entire Tucker versus Ted debate, if you listen to

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Speaker 2: the entirety of I listened both to Sure Tucker on

483
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Speaker 2: with Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon on with Tucker. I listened

484
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Speaker 2: to all of those and the whole effort and you

485
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Speaker 2: hear this in Charlie Kirk's Rutter as well, Marjorie Taylor

486
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Speaker 2: Green's Rheter as well. Is to say, this is the

487
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Speaker 2: true representation of what Trump really wants, and to the

488
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Speaker 2: extent that he's not pursuing this path, which is the

489
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Speaker 2: most true to his intentions, beliefs, and ambitions, it's because

490
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Speaker 2: he's being tricked by this person or that person, or

491
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Speaker 2: the deep state or the neocons or whatever. That's where

492
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Speaker 2: the battle is fought. Because Tucker knows. And if they

493
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Speaker 2: didn't know, Trump demonstrated that when you went after Tucker

494
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Speaker 2: and said he was kookie and you know me said

495
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Speaker 2: he needs to go get a television network because basically

496
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Speaker 2: he's a husband. They know that the minute that they

497
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Speaker 2: actually go against Trump, if you do anything other than

498
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Speaker 2: signal in advance that at the end of the day

499
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Speaker 2: you're going to one hundred percent bend the knee, then

500
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Speaker 2: you're out, Then you become you become Liz Cheney, you

501
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Speaker 2: become Adam Kinzinger, you become justin homaj you become you know,

502
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Speaker 2: any number of the senators or members of Congress who

503
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Speaker 2: are no longer senators or members of Congress who've been

504
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Speaker 2: consigned to the dustbin of history. You are excised from

505
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Speaker 2: the movement, and that's it. Your influence is over your

506
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Speaker 2: whatever perks you get being in the Trump world, in

507
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Speaker 2: the Trump circle and having access to President and all

508
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Speaker 2: that stuff.

509
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Speaker 6: It's done.

510
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Speaker 2: So that's why they fight on that turf of well,

511
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Speaker 2: I am the true representation of what Trump, in his

512
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Speaker 2: all knowing brilliance, what he really wants, which is why

513
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Speaker 2: Steve Bannons is now running around telling Financial Times an

514
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Speaker 2: other outland. Let's do like listen, at the end of

515
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Speaker 2: the day, if he has more intelligence than we do,

516
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Speaker 2: then we're going to go along. It's why when Bannon

517
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Speaker 2: was out criticizing Elon at the beginning and Trump told

518
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Speaker 2: him shut up, that he did until Elon was persona

519
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Speaker 2: on Grada and then he went back to it. Well,

520
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Speaker 2: that's the way that this works. That's why Charlie Kirk

521
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Speaker 2: changed his tune. And Charlie Kirk was never critical of Trump,

522
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Speaker 2: but he got a call from the White House saying, hey,

523
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Speaker 2: tone it down, and he said, yes, sir, no problem.

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Speaker 6: All.

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Speaker 3: Look, they're all the same and it's operational. It's the

526
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Speaker 3: only way that you maintain your access and your ability,

527
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Speaker 3: and that's the problem of trying to straddle these two worlds.

528
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Speaker 3: You can be honest and you could say what you think,

529
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Speaker 3: like me by I'm telling my phoney ringing off the.

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Speaker 1: Hook right now on my phone.

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Speaker 3: My phone calls are going one way and not there's

532
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Speaker 3: not a lot of incoming, and there's a lot of

533
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Speaker 3: us screw you that.

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Speaker 1: Is happening right now.

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Speaker 3: But that's the world that it is what it is,

536
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Speaker 3: and that's it's very unfortunate. But I also think it's

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Speaker 3: important to show people and to even tell people, you know,

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Speaker 3: from my perspective of that is the only way that

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Speaker 3: you can maintain influence within the system.

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Speaker 1: It's really unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: I guess there is a second way though, actually, and

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Speaker 3: this is a good transition because we're now going to

543
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Speaker 3: talk about theovon is. Sometimes you become like this cultural

544
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Speaker 3: and you become a big enough figure. That's some of

545
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Speaker 3: the things that you say becomes something that the White

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Speaker 3: House or others need to respond to. And so that's

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Speaker 3: why when I saw this clip here of THEO vaugh

548
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Speaker 3: somebody who I don't know if he voted for Trump,

549
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's ever said he attended his inauguration,

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Speaker 3: and he's had on.

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Speaker 6: And Jared Dona, Marl.

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Speaker 3: Banka just had JD vans On, had JD vance On

553
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Speaker 3: before previously on the campaign, the first major podcaster to

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Speaker 3: have on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he's also somebody.

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Speaker 3: Though who is not has been willing to at least

557
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Speaker 3: speak out against Israel and his campaign in Gaza. But

558
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Speaker 3: here you have a very very interesting message direct a camera,

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Speaker 3: pretty rare in my opinion from THEO on political events

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Speaker 3: speaking out against a war with Iran.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, we're trying to get us into

562
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Speaker 7: a war with Iran or not America if Israel is

563
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Speaker 7: trying to. I don't trust the Israel leader at all.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe anything that guy says. And I I

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Speaker 7: don't think that our soldiers should have to go and

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Speaker 7: defend stuff that they start. I'm not a soldier, so

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Speaker 7: I might I'm obviously speaking out of turn. I'm not

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Speaker 7: even brave enough to serve. So there's that element. But

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Speaker 7: that is kind of how I feel, I guess, And

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Speaker 7: so it's like, yeah, when do I speak?

571
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Speaker 5: When do I say that?

572
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Speaker 7: You know, because it feels like they're trying to push

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Speaker 7: Trump to go do that, and it's like who makes

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Speaker 7: that choices? He make that choice, and then what do

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Speaker 7: we get? You know, what's the win for us? We're

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Speaker 7: just involved in some other thing while we have suffering

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Speaker 7: here at home. So maybe something like that is like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I have Should I even speak up? Because I'm not

579
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Speaker 7: in service. Servicemen and women may be like, we want to,

580
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Speaker 7: We'll do it, you know, and that's their commitment and

581
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Speaker 7: their job.

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Speaker 5: Uh, But yeah, I just I don't know.

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Speaker 7: That guy really scares me and and I don't know

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Speaker 7: why we support them. I don't understand that. I wish

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Speaker 7: they would really give us a better explanation, you know,

586
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Speaker 7: especially after the massacres in Gaza. I don't understand. I

587
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Speaker 7: do not understand that. And some people say, well, you

588
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Speaker 7: don't know enough about it. That may and it may not.

589
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Speaker 7: But it's like, dude, can I still speak about it?

590
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Speaker 7: Can I speak about how I feel about it?

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Speaker 1: Serious as it gets on the theio Monto?

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Speaker 3: But look, I mean I appreciate him doing it, and

593
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Speaker 3: because look, you know, there was so many and I

594
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Speaker 3: talked about this yesterday, Yeah, Chrystal. And this is even

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Speaker 3: in the context of our own show, The White House

596
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Speaker 3: made a huge deal about alternative media and podcast right, yeah, right,

597
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Speaker 3: well guess what you know, we literally had either our

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Speaker 3: second or our first biggest day ever this week ever

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Speaker 3: in terms of our analytics. Why because we're providing content

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Speaker 3: which is both newsy and it is obviously some A

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Speaker 3: lot of it's opinionated and against the war, and anti

602
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Speaker 3: war content literally could not be bigger right now. So

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Speaker 3: if they care so much about YouTube and about anti

604
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Speaker 3: war content, I'm sure Kyle's channel has blown the hell up.

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Speaker 3: You can go and you can look at the YouTube

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Speaker 3: views on any you know, major content creator who's political,

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Speaker 3: who's speaking out against the war.

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Speaker 1: I'd be willing to bet that they're all seeing similar rise.

609
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Speaker 3: And so they cared so much about all the views

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Speaker 3: of the bros and the podcast and all.

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Speaker 1: This other stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's like, we'll pay attention, pay attention right now, Dave Smith, Right,

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Speaker 3: you know, you guys made a big deal about him.

614
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, what happened whenever he speaks out against you?

615
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 3: You know, really it's only cable news and the political establishment,

616
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Speaker 3: which is really just willing to go along with this.

617
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Speaker 3: People were not connected to the system think this is very,

618
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Speaker 3: very messed up what's.

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Speaker 1: Happening right now.

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Speaker 6: But we all know what Trump is watching.

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Speaker 3: Sure, we all know you're at your taking a case

622
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Speaker 3: for influence on Trump. I'm saying though, that if in

623
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Speaker 3: some way, like again, they claim to have the pulse

624
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Speaker 3: of the American people, then at that time, well.

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Speaker 1: Here's the pulse.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying we're representative of the whole country, representative

627
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Speaker 3: of some of the country a decent amount of our audience.

628
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Speaker 1: But for Trump, I know that so well.

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Speaker 3: A lot of them don't support this war, so she'll

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Speaker 3: probably take that into account.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I.

632
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Speaker 2: Would say is, listen, I think the Trump I think

633
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Speaker 2: Trump is one hundred percent correct that his base, his movement,

634
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Speaker 2: they're going to be along for the ride. And also listen,

635
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry when you pull the Republican base. They are

636
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Speaker 2: just more pro war than the Democratic base. That's just reality.

637
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Speaker 2: They always have been, they still are, even as there's

638
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Speaker 2: been some erosion in that direction. And you know, there

639
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: was obviously like it was important for Trump politically in

640
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen when he finally speaks the truth about the

641
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Speaker 2: Iraq war. And I think this time around it wasn't

642
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Speaker 2: that people perceived him as anti war that solidified his

643
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Speaker 2: support with the base. The base was going to be

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Speaker 2: there no matter what. It's Independence, and that's who you know,

645
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Speaker 2: I think will be unhappy. I think Independence will. They

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Speaker 2: may at the beginning actually support the war. I don't know,

647
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Speaker 2: because there's just that's if. You would be hard pressed

648
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Speaker 2: to find a war that the US got into that

649
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Speaker 2: didn't enjoy some level of public support. Unfortunately over the

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Speaker 2: course of my lifetime. But I think, you know, THEO

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Speaker 2: Vaughn and those sorts of voices matter for Independence.

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Speaker 6: I will also say, though, just in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of his framing there, it's so convenient for Trump that

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Speaker 2: it's not him, it's he's getting pulled in. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's the Israelis and who's really making the decisions here,

656
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Speaker 2: And I don't trust that guy being that Yahoo Like

657
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Speaker 2: I just it's very convenient.

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Speaker 6: It's not even critique of Trump.

659
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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, these nefarious forces are pulling us into war,

660
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Speaker 2: which is also like I said, it's just it's a

661
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Speaker 2: convenient and inaccurate narrative. Maybe I'm being too expecting too

662
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Speaker 2: much from THEO Vonn say, I think you are, Like

663
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Speaker 2: I said, it is a way to justify what is

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Speaker 2: already a horror show from Trump. Already a horror show

665
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: from Trump. It's a way to justify the things that

666
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: already you know should be unacceptable. And people with character

667
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: like Dave Smith have already said that's it, like already,

668
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Speaker 2: even without whether we get directly offensively or have boots

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Speaker 2: on the ground or you know, actively put up the

670
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Speaker 2: mission accomplished banner.

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Speaker 6: I'm done. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: He should be impeach already for what he's doing. Like

673
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Speaker 2: that is the actual, like principled, accurate read of where

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Speaker 2: you are, if what you actually cared about was keeping

675
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Speaker 2: the station.

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Speaker 3: Out of I would say, with THEO and with the look,

677
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Speaker 3: one of the things I actually detected a lot, and

678
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw. This is when he's like, I'm

679
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Speaker 3: not sure if I'm allowed to speak about it. This

680
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: is the concern trolling around expertise and really about people

681
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Speaker 3: being willing to speak out on war. And he's like,

682
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I know enough about it, because

683
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Speaker 3: what happened THEO had Candice Owans, and I forget who

684
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Speaker 3: else on the show who spoke out against Israel, and

685
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Speaker 3: what do you think ninety eight percent of his phone

686
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Speaker 3: was from some of the people who are pro Israel

687
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Speaker 3: you don't know nearly enough to be able to comment

688
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Speaker 3: on this, Like how dare you say the word genocide

689
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Speaker 3: to the Vice President of the United States, Because that's

690
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Speaker 3: what they did, is they'll be like, oh, you're not

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Speaker 3: qualified enough or knowledgeable enough to be an involved actors.

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Speaker 3: I actually detected like a lot of discomfort from him,

693
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Speaker 3: like having to speak about this issue. And ultimately, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think what's penetrated as conscience is about the Israeli

695
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Speaker 3: military action in Gaza, which kind of informs a lot

696
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Speaker 3: of his thoughts here.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I cut him and many other as much

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Speaker 1: much bigger break.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the reasons why you could shouldn't

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Speaker 3: hold Dave in theater the same standard is like Dave

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Speaker 3: is you know, incredibly knowledgeable.

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Speaker 6: Well, Dave has an ideology.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, Dave is an ideological liberty

704
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Speaker 3: amount of anti war actors thought deeply about his own politics,

705
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Speaker 3: about where things are going to go. I mean, this

706
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Speaker 3: is just like I don't know, I think, take what

707
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Speaker 3: you can get, because for me, it's a barometer of

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Speaker 3: where things are and what is important.

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Speaker 1: Should we move on to the polling because.

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Speaker 3: This is the biggest black pill that we can possibly take.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, as I might say, it is true,

712
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Speaker 3: YouTube and many other places big online audiences, anti war

713
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Speaker 3: content is doing very well. But unfortunately that is not

714
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Speaker 3: what the vast majority and particularly the voting boomer base

715
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Speaker 3: of this country is watching. They're watching cable news, and

716
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Speaker 3: over on cable news, it is just a mainline of

717
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Speaker 3: pro war propaganda. And even worse, you are just watching

718
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Speaker 3: the framing by the Trump administration be accepted here by

719
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Speaker 3: a lot of the American people. Here's student ends, Harry Enton.

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Speaker 3: We got to tell everybody the truth. The truth is

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Speaker 3: is that if Trump does decide to strike Iran, it

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Speaker 3: will probably be pretty popular.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a.

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Speaker 8: Listen, and overall, I feel like there's more support for

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump's positions than is comically acknowledged opposer Ran getting

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Speaker 8: a nuclear weapon. I mean, look at this, seventy nine

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Speaker 8: percent of adults agree on that they agree with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 8: but Ron cannot get a nuclear weapon, eighty three percent

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Speaker 8: of Republicans, seventy nine percent of Independence, seventy nine percent

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Speaker 8: of Democrats. When you get seventy nine percent of Democrats

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Speaker 8: and eighty three percent of Republicans agreeing on anything. You

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Speaker 8: know that that position is the very clear majority in

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Speaker 8: this country. And so the American public is with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: They definitely opposed I Ron getting nuclear weapons for Ranch

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Speaker 8: trying to make a nuclear weapon. Look at this overall,

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Speaker 8: you get the slight plurality. I mean it's within the

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Speaker 8: margin I remember, but the slight plurality of Americans actually

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Speaker 8: favor US air stripes compared to forty seven percent of

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Speaker 8: posing it.

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Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, there.

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Speaker 3: Republican number is seventy percent. I mean, I guess I

742
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Speaker 3: can take it to the bank that there's thirty percent

743
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Speaker 3: of people out there. But let's all be honest at

744
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Speaker 3: the same look, there is some confounding stuff. And I'll

745
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Speaker 3: also say this about America. Americans are fickle, right, So

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Speaker 3: at the very beginning, do you remember what the numbers

747
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Speaker 3: were on Ukraine? It was like ninety ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was literally ninety.

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Speaker 6: I will suffer.

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Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, how'd that work out for you?

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Speaker 1: Huh huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to say I told you so, but

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm going to run do it. But that's

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Speaker 3: part of what I guess. You know, reading a book

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Speaker 3: can get you.

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Speaker 1: This is the problem.

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Speaker 3: Though I've read enough to say the vast majority of

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Speaker 3: the American people supported the war in Vietnam. Eventually, everybody

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Speaker 3: always has retrograde amnesia. Though no, I never spoorned that bullshit. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the vast majority of the American people supported the war

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Speaker 3: in Vietnam up until nineteen sixty eight, and actually even

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Speaker 3: well into the nineteen seventies. Well, the vast majority of

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Speaker 3: the American people supported the war in Iraq. The vast

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Speaker 3: majority of the American people supported the Libyan intervention in

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of.

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Speaker 3: The American people wanted to pick a good side in Syria.

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Speaker 3: They supported the strikes, you know, on the Asid regime.

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Speaker 3: If you were to pull people and be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: do you think it's worth taking out North Korea's nuclear

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Speaker 3: weapon in twenty seventeen, most people are going to say yes. Now,

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Speaker 3: what I always say is that if you ask them

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Speaker 3: to consider the consequences, that's when things usually change a

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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 1: But even then, let's all be honest.

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Speaker 2: We're bad at projecting the consequence, like people are bad

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Speaker 2: at projecting in the future.

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Speaker 6: Oh, ten steps down the road, this is going to

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Speaker 6: go poor.

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Speaker 1: And look, I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult because it requires, you know, like a level

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Speaker 3: of critical thinking that the vast majority of people don't want.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not putting people down.

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Speaker 3: Most people are living their lives and they don't want

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Speaker 3: to think very much about the news.

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Speaker 1: Or war or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Now I would ask you to because does of course,

788
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Speaker 3: you know, affect your gas prices and you know, oh,

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Speaker 3: the national debt and whether we have the social programs

790
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Speaker 3: and ability as we all learn from the war in Iraq,

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Speaker 3: But you know, you.

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Speaker 1: Do continue to live your life.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to put the Economist poll up here at

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Speaker 3: least some good news. I think for me, most Americans

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Speaker 3: think that the US military quote should not get involved

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Speaker 3: in the conflict.

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Speaker 1: Between Israelity Iran.

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Speaker 3: So here they say, do you think the US military

799
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Speaker 3: should get involved in the conflict. The reason why I

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Speaker 3: think that's really important is that doesn't just say strike,

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Speaker 3: it says involved.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I noticed. It doesn't say anything about nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 6: Yes, And this is why, this is why.

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Speaker 2: The most important thing that you can impress upon people

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Speaker 2: is this is not about nuclear weapons. Because the moment,

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Speaker 2: let's say we asked the public, do you support a

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Speaker 2: regime change war in Iran, I guarantee you the results

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Speaker 2: of that would be overwhelmingly know. But let me tell you,

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Speaker 2: if you were listening to any cable news network, if

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Speaker 2: you are listening to you Know, and some in the

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Speaker 2: media too, the question is, and this is what Trump

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Speaker 2: wants it to be, should Iran have a nuke or not?

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Speaker 2: That is not the question. That is not the appropriate framing,

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Speaker 2: That is not what this is about. Iran was not

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Speaker 2: pursuing a nuclear weapon. In fact, if you don't want

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Speaker 2: Iran to have a nuclear weapon, you should be outraged

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Speaker 2: that this bombing blew up the potential for successful diplomatic

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Speaker 2: negotiations to make sure that Iran does not get a

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon, because the logic is much more straightforward now

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Speaker 2: for Iran to race to a bomb as we were

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Speaker 2: discussing before. So these polls that have come out so

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Speaker 2: far are all over the place, and it is the

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Speaker 2: most significant indicator I have ever seen of how important

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Speaker 2: is to get the narrative and the information right and

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Speaker 2: for people to understand what is really going on here.

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Speaker 2: Because yes, if you ask the American people, hey, should

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Speaker 2: we do some limited strikes to make sure Iran doesn't

829
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Speaker 2: have a bomb. Yeah, a majority is going to say yes,

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Speaker 2: I agree, which is why Trump is consistently saying they

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Speaker 2: can't have a bomb.

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Speaker 6: They can't have a bomb, they can't have a bomb.

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Speaker 2: That's that's why that's his line, because he knows that

834
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Speaker 2: is solid political ground. The moment people realize that's not

835
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Speaker 2: what this is about, this is about another like disastrous

836
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Speaker 2: or game change war, then the politics completely change and

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Speaker 2: completely shift. And so again that's why the most important

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Speaker 2: thing that you can impress upon people is what this

839
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Speaker 2: is really about, and that the idea of the nukes

840
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Speaker 2: is fake, invented, there is no evidence to support it,

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Speaker 2: and that is a pretext to obscure the real goal

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Speaker 2: of what's.

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Speaker 6: Going on here.

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Speaker 3: Let's also put this Washington Post stuff on the screen,

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Speaker 3: because this gives you a very very clear picture about

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Speaker 3: how this all looks as well in terms of the

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Speaker 3: propaganda and in terms of the framing. Can we put

848
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Speaker 3: that up please, guys, this new Washington Post element that

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Speaker 3: we have. They ask at this time, would you support

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Speaker 3: or oppose the US military launching air strikes against Iran

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Speaker 3: over its nuclear program. You've got twenty five percent support,

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Speaker 3: thirty percent unsure, forty five percent oppose.

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Speaker 1: But you can still see that that unsure number is

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Speaker 1: pretty big.

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Speaker 3: So they say forty seven percent of Republicans they already

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Speaker 3: support it, Okay, twenty nine percent unsure, so that's a

857
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Speaker 3: vast majority or the support are unsure only twenty four

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Speaker 3: percent oppose. Democrats kind of the opposite, since a more partisan.

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Speaker 3: But this gives me a little hope here with the

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Speaker 3: independent figure twenty percent support, thirty six percent unsure, forty

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Speaker 3: four percent say that they oppose military and veteran household.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a little bit higher there for support. There's

863
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Speaker 3: still some strong opposed numbers, and same with non military.

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Speaker 3: But the point is is that you can still see

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Speaker 3: a significant amount of support here amongst the Republican Party

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Speaker 3: already as long as you sell it to them about nukes.

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Speaker 3: And this is a why people who want nuance will

868
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Speaker 3: have warnings always lose is because we have to start

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Speaker 3: from disproving the allegation and then warning about fortieth order consequences.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I wish, though, that we would have enough experience at

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Speaker 3: this point that I could just say Libya and someone

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Speaker 3: would be like, oh, yeah, that's a good point, right,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just.

876
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Speaker 3: About striking air defense in Libya. Nothing else, guys, no

877
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: boots on the ground. Oh except what over one million

878
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: people flooded Europe and caused massive demographic crisis. Oh, Siria,

879
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: not a single American stepped on the ground. Oh wait,

880
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: except until Isis accepted a caliphate and a bunch of

881
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: more slaughtered in the Bata Klan. And actually it's twenty

882
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: twenty five and they're still over a thousand troops that

883
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: are on the ground in Syria today. You know, it's

884
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: like having to warn about all these consequences. Same with Iraq.

885
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: You know, the Iraq question was about nuclear weapons. Now

886
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: if I had if they had correctly posed to the

887
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 3: American people, do you support nation building in Iraq?

888
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: I do not think that the vast majority would have

889
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: supported it.

890
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: But the point is is, once you're in, you're in,

891
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: and you just slowly get bought in and next thing,

892
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: you know, Oh, we have to bring peace between the

893
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: Sunni and the Shia, because Americans are super qualified for

894
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 3: that one, right.

895
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: Right, And then oh, actually no, it's a civil war.

896
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: We got to get involved here.

897
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: We've got to make sure girls can go to school.

898
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: Right now, exactly right.

899
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 6: We went committing that. By the way, in regard to

900
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Speaker 6: a rod.

901
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, like oh yeah, oh, oh my god.

902
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm reading this book right now about I told you about.

903
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: It's called Revolutionary Iran. Fantastic book. I highly recommended this hole.

904
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: Oh they wore mini skirts into Yeah, that was in

905
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: like one neighborhood in Tehran.

906
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: Okay, as usual, it's always the same.

907
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Speaker 2: Well, that also misrepresents the reality for women in Iran

908
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: right now. I'm not saying that they don't discriminate and

909
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: it's not oppressive, et cetera. But you have like a

910
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: huge number of women who are preponderance of the STEM graduates,

911
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean, the whole thing is just like

912
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: distorted all the way.

913
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: But what point is that it's nuanced. It's a difficult picture. Okay.

914
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 3: You had another Islamic nation called Turkey, which basically tried

915
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Speaker 3: to eradicate the religion and all of religiosity from society.

916
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Want to ask how that worked out. There's a guy

917
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: named Aridiwan who's in charge. Basically came on the back

918
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: of a rebellion against that despite what years decades of

919
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: propaganda against the religion of Islam. It turns out they're

920
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: not very good at it. My only point is that, look,

921
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: whether things should be or should not be is not

922
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Speaker 3: my decision.

923
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Speaker 1: That's for the people of Iran, that's for the people

924
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Speaker 1: of Turkey.

925
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: You live how you want to live, and I'll live

926
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: how the way I want to. But to transpose like

927
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: these like western neighborhoods onto the.

928
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Entire society is ridiculous.

929
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking, in Jordan, anybody's ever been to Jordan,

930
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: there's like this one neighborhood where all the Americans hang

931
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: out and there's like a gay bar there, and people

932
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: will be like, oh, so he's such a progressive society, and.

933
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, there's one, okay.

934
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Speaker 3: And the reason they all go there is because they

935
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: can like drink or whatever, go and pull the vast

936
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: majority of the city I have. I'm on and be like, hey,

937
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: what do you think about this? They probably outraged or

938
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: they digitous. Let live and let live and they make

939
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: exist in one place. This is not to denigrate. They

940
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: can live how they would like.

941
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 6: And I'm on it maybe the most western.

942
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the most western places.

943
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's so much to say about it. And

944
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: here's the bottom line too, It's not that I don't

945
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: care about the fate of women and girls, but I

946
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: know a regime collapse in Iran is going to be

947
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: devastating for everyone. That is the most devastating thing you

948
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: can imagine, right, So, yeah, the justifications that were already

949
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: running through for why this would be great idea. I mean,

950
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: it's like a speed run through what we saw throughout

951
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: all of these failed regime change operations. I want to

952
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: read a few of the comments from because what Washington

953
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: Post does is they do the poll, but they also

954
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: talk to the voters about their justifications, which are kind

955
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: of interesting. So they have a Nevada woman, sixty two Republican,

956
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: voted for Trump. She says, the US cannot allow Ran

957
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: to have nukes. Israel is our friend, Iran is the

958
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: main sponsor of terrorism. So that is a Fox News

959
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: watcher through and through watching the same content as the

960
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: president of the United States. You have another Republican, though,

961
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: who voted for Trump, seventy four year old woman. She says,

962
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: I think Trump in the US need to continue negotiations

963
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: and alternatives before the US bombs Iran and starts World

964
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: War three.

965
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 6: Okay, that's good. I like that one.

966
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: You've got a Democrat who didn't vote says Roan is

967
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: not an imminent threat to the US. You've got an

968
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: independent who voted for Trump, forty four year old man

969
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: who says, I'm not convinced they have nuclear weapons.

970
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 6: We need proof.

971
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you if you look further into this

972
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: poll and the results that they got, and this again

973
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: is why Trump is saying over and over again they

974
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: can have a nuke.

975
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 6: They can't have a nuke.

976
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: They can have a nuke because a eighty two percent

977
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: of respondents to this poll, Democrats, Republicans, independence, eighty two

978
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: percent said they are concerned about Iran getting a nuclear weapon.

979
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: So you know that's why they feel like the firmest

980
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: ground is when they're trying to convince you that they

981
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: were right on the edge of getting this nuclear web

982
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: and we have to act now. And if they're able

983
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: to persuade the public of that for some time, they

984
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: will enjoy some level of support. Now I will tell

985
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: you I had I won't say who exactly, but I

986
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: had a young man nineteen years old who is, you know,

987
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: not a newswatcher. He is very much your like nor me,

988
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: not super He works in the trades.

989
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 6: He's not focused on any of this stuff.

990
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: Who was deeply concerned about this actually, like this broke

991
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: through to him, and he is the tie. He's the

992
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: theolon watcher, Like that's that's where he falls. And so

993
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: I think in terms of independence, I think you have

994
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: a real chance to make the case when I look

995
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: at those Republican numbers who already support it, and then

996
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: you've got a whole bunch of them who are unsure.

997
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: You know, I just look at that, and I know

998
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: the minute Donald Trump makes the decision, they're all going

999
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: to walk in and like Trump says, it's good, so

1000
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: it must be good.

1001
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 6: That's what we're doing.

1002
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: So if you guys want to know what they're watching

1003
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: over on Fox, I tweeted this, but literally they had

1004
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: on the sun of Elie Wisel, the guy who wrote

1005
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: Night to the Holocaust Survivor, to come on and to

1006
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 3: compare striking Iranian nuclear facilities to bombing Auschwitz during World

1007
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: War Two at the height of the Holk that's the

1008
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: level of shit that these people are imbibing into their brains.

1009
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: And there's not a single element of skepticism of anything

1010
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: that you're hearing. Usually The way that they frame the

1011
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: question is, but like there is a risk of foreign entanglement,

1012
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: why don't you tell us why that's not true. That's

1013
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: the closest that they'll come to even presenting the risk.

1014
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 3: It's just so so bad. It's honestly, it might even

1015
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: be worse than two thousand and three. The only like

1016
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: shining thing that I saw is that that Tucker interview

1017
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: went so massive, viral like viral into the sense that,

1018
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: like you said, the nineteen year olds are listening like

1019
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: on liberal, on conservative wherever, like it was all over TikTok,

1020
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: and it was framed it was exactly the right bite

1021
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: sized moment, you know, and all that, and that really

1022
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: did break through.

1023
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: Now we didn't have that, No.

1024
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: Three, and there's probably not enough to stop what's coming,

1025
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: but at the very least it exists in the historical record.

1026
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: Real quick after grec myself, it's seventy percent who are

1027
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: concerned about the Iranian nuclear program.

1028
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 6: So still high, still very high.

1029
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: All right, Well, next we have a very special guest,

1030
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 3: Soraba Marii. Sorab is an expert both on Iran. He's

1031
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: a former neo Khon who wanted regime change he's now

1032
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 3: a realist who opposes regime change. He can tell us

1033
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: in exact like exactitude, why a regime change operation in

1034
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: Iran would be a total disaster.

1035
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 6: For critically, she knows how many people live in Iran,

1036
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 6: and he.

1037
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: Also knows how. Let's get to it.

1038
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: Very excited now to be joined by Soraba Marii. He's

1039
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: the US editor for Unheard, great friend.

1040
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: Of the show. It's good to see you man, Thank

1041
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: you for joining us, Thank you both for having me.

1042
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: So so we gave you a fantastic introduction already, and

1043
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: so let's just get down to it. About the population

1044
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: of Iran. Whether you can tell us, because certainly Ted

1045
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: Cruz can't. Let's take a listen, and most importantly, let's

1046
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: dissect why that matters for US regime change attempts.

1047
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Here, let's take a listen.

1048
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 5: How many people living around? By the way, I don't

1049
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 5: know the population at all. No, I don't know the population.

1050
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 5: You don't know the population of the country you seek

1051
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 5: to topple. How many people living around? Ninety two million? Okay, yeah,

1052
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 5: how could you not know that? I don't sit around

1053
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 5: memorizing population tables.

1054
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the

1055
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: overthrow of the government.

1056
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: Why is it relevant whether it's will because ninety million

1057
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 5: or eighty million or a hundred million.

1058
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: Why because if you don't know anything about the country.

1059
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: I didn't say I don't know anything about Okay, what's

1060
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: the ethnic mix of wrong? They are Persians and well

1061
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: presuminantly Shia.

1062
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 5: Okay, you don't know thing about Iran. So okay, I'm

1063
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 5: not the Tucker Carlson bird on Iran.

1064
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 4: You're a senator who's calling there the one the government

1065
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: at the country.

1066
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 5: Eight. No, you don't know anything about the country. You're

1067
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 5: the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

1068
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. Who can't figure out General SOLMONI

1069
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 5: you believe they're trying to murder Trump?

1070
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: Yes, because you're not calling for military strikes against them

1071
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 4: in retaliation.

1072
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 5: And if they really believe that carrying out military strikes today?

1073
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 5: Who said Israel was right with our help? I've said

1074
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

1075
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 4: Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government

1076
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 4: last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Fifer

1077
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on

1078
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.

1079
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 5: We're not bombing, then Israel's bombing. Then you just said

1080
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 5: we were. We are supporting as you're a senator. If

1081
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: you're saying the United States government is now, we're with

1082
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 5: I run right now. People are listening.

1083
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: So so why does it matter that somebody who wants

1084
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: to overthrow the regime in Iran doesn't know the population

1085
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: or the ethnic makeup of Iran?

1086
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 9: First of all, like kudos to Tucker for that interview.

1087
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 9: It reminded me of a kind of journalism you see

1088
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 9: on UK broadcast. Tell us journalism, you know where you

1089
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 9: really probe, and too often we don't in the United States,

1090
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 9: where it's just so deferential to anyone in power. But

1091
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Speaker 9: it matters because Iran is a large and extremely complex society,

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Speaker 9: vaster and more sensitive than Iraq, where the last time

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Speaker 9: we attempted a real kind of regime change, direct occupation

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Speaker 9: and nation building. So yes, it really it matters for

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Speaker 9: many reasons. One is, first of all, just the sheer

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Speaker 9: size of the country tells you something about how difficult

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Speaker 9: the kind of post regime collapse scenario would be. And second,

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Speaker 9: of all, you know, it also goes into how much

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Speaker 9: the Iranians, how many people, for example, they can recruit

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Speaker 9: if the United States is forced into a ground operation

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Speaker 9: and there's a kind of war of attrition between the regime,

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Speaker 9: whatever regime we would install, and where the regime remnants,

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Speaker 9: the older regimes remnants home, they could recruit, how many

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Speaker 9: people they could recruit. So it's just I mean, it's

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Speaker 9: just appalling. And I admire Senator Cruz on some issues,

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Speaker 9: but it's just appalling that he doesn't know. And the

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Speaker 9: excuse making for it side wall is he supposed to

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Speaker 9: look up Wikipedia?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yes, actually read up briefing.

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Speaker 9: You have access to, you know, information that the rest

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Speaker 9: of us don't like read.

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Speaker 6: Read your article. Yeah, we could put it eat you

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Speaker 6: up mama's screen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is so I knew the population number

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Speaker 2: because Soccer and I one of the first things we

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Speaker 2: did when we knew that this was being contemplated, when

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Speaker 2: we knew we were backing this war in Iran. It

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Speaker 2: is okay, Well, how does this compare it to see her?

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Speaker 2: How does this compare it to a rock? What is

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Speaker 2: the population of Iran versus Israel? Like this is the

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Speaker 2: most surface level that you could possibly know about this conflict.

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Speaker 2: And yes, it's incredibly significant, but I would love you

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Speaker 2: to lay on a little bit of what you do

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Speaker 2: in this piece of like, Okay, let's say you get

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Speaker 2: your wish. Let's say the current regime collapses. How do

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Speaker 2: you see that unfolding? Given the fact, as you just

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Speaker 2: stated that Iran is a complex, multi ethnic society.

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Speaker 9: Yep, So, first of all, the biggest problem will be

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Speaker 9: the question of political authority, a national authority that can

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Speaker 9: keep the country together and govern minimally. And given Iran's

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Speaker 9: political culture. Iran's political culture is defined by a term

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Speaker 9: in Persian and Arabic stebdad, which means an arbitrary rule. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: the way that it's developed, everything goes through a central authority,

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Speaker 9: whether it's whether you call it a shah meaning a king,

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Speaker 9: or whether it's an ayatola who is basically a king

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Speaker 9: under a different aspect, he's just instead of a crown,

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Speaker 9: he wears a turban. That degree of central authority and

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Speaker 9: a tradition of of centralized rule that has forestalled the

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Speaker 9: development of a sense of different social classes being able

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Speaker 9: to resolve differences through civil society. Through well defined legal

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Speaker 9: rights and duties, etc.

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Speaker 1: Et cetera.

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Speaker 9: Is underdeveloped. We've had attempts at trying to build those

1144
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Speaker 9: up in our twentieth we I mean Iranians. I'm Iranian American,

1145
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Speaker 9: but the Iranians have attempted to build it up. In

1146
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Speaker 9: some cases those attempts have been short circuited by foreign imperialists.

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Speaker 9: There was a constitutional revolution in nineteen oh five, and

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Speaker 9: the Brits and the Russians basically in part set out

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Speaker 9: to scuttle that because they treated Iran as a prize

1150
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Speaker 9: in the so called Great Game. There was a parliamentary

1151
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Speaker 9: democracy for a while after World War Two, and the

1152
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Speaker 9: leader of that movement was toppled in parts through It's complicated.

1153
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Speaker 9: It's not just in a leftist kind of talking point.

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Speaker 9: It's like we toppled our democratic government. The story is

1155
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Speaker 9: more complicated. But at any rate, it hasn't developed that

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Speaker 9: political culture that would easily be able to stand up

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Speaker 9: a new order. So that's the main problem. And so

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Speaker 9: who would you install. They floated the Shah of the Sun,

1159
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Speaker 9: and monarchy is has some attractive things about it. He

1160
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Speaker 9: represents a kind of continuity, a link to the path

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Speaker 9: to the Iranian past. There are problems with it, though

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Speaker 9: everyone I know who's taught who's worked with Reza Pahlavi,

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Speaker 9: the heir to the Pahlavi dynasty, describes him as basically

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Speaker 9: like indolent and curious, et cetera. Second, he's become like

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Speaker 9: a quasi spokesman for the idea of He didn't act

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Speaker 9: in a kingly way, which is when that happened.

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Speaker 1: He should.

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Speaker 9: He should have said something like, I feel my compatriot's pain,

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Speaker 9: I'm doing I'm using all my influence to bring it

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Speaker 9: to an end, and uh, you.

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Speaker 1: Know that sort of thing.

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Speaker 9: What he said instead was you know, this is all

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Speaker 9: Iran's fault, which there of course, I mean, the Iranian

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Speaker 9: regime has shouted this nasty slogan death to Israel, death

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Speaker 9: to America.

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Speaker 1: I don't deny that.

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Speaker 9: But he said it's a Ronswald and rise up and

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Speaker 9: you know, overthrow the regime. Well, meanwhile, you know, you

1179
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 9: see footage of fathers holding their infants with bloody diapers

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Speaker 9: because of the bombings. How is that guy going to

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Speaker 9: rise up? And you know, mounted small de democratic revolution.

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Speaker 9: So but sorry, just to clean up this point. Even

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Speaker 9: if he were the second coming of Cyrus the Great,

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Speaker 9: you know, the biblical emperor, the Persian emperor who's mentioned

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Speaker 9: in the Bible at various points. Even if you were

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Speaker 9: second coming of Cyrus, he needs to be able to

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Speaker 9: assert control over this far flung, sprawling country of ninety

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Speaker 9: million with a fractious ethnic makeup, and he couldn't do

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Speaker 9: that without a prolonged US intervention, right, in other words,

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Speaker 9: that you would have to help him do that. Otherwise

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Speaker 9: it would be just like Afghanistan, where there's a government

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Speaker 9: a rump state that can only control the capital and

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Speaker 9: its surrounding environment, and the rest of the country becomes

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Speaker 9: like Libyanized and Syrianized, and is you know, spreading instability

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Speaker 9: all over the place. So, for all these reasons, Senator Cruz,

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Speaker 9: if you're listening to this, buy a book.

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Speaker 1: Genesis is great.

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Speaker 9: I revere the Book of Genesis, but it's not enough

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Speaker 9: for understanding them.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you would be happy to speak with that.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ask you some.

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Speaker 1: Question, Senator Cruz. Listen, he's a curious guy. He should

1204
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Speaker 1: call you.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things I won't really want to

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Speaker 3: dive into here, like you just said, is about this

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Speaker 3: necessity for authority and how in the vacuum of authority

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Speaker 3: the United States must step in. And I saw that

1209
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Speaker 3: this was kind of a controversial point, but it just

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Speaker 3: seems very obvious to me. Israel is a country of

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Speaker 3: nine million. What they're going to impose regime change in

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Speaker 3: a country of ninety million. There's no occupation force that

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Speaker 3: is capable of that. And what would it involve, you know,

1214
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Speaker 3: basically a fall of the Iranian regime? Like do you

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Speaker 3: think it is even possible for the Iranian regime to

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Speaker 3: survive at this point even if the United States does

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Speaker 3: not get involved? Given Israel's statement, their defense minister just

1218
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Speaker 3: today threatened the Ayatola Homanium basically compared him to Hitler

1219
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Speaker 3: and to a Nazi, and was like, yeah, we're going

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Speaker 3: to kill him, I mean effectively saying that. So is

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Speaker 3: there even a scenario at this point where they can

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Speaker 3: survive in their current form, if not dramatically weakened, And

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Speaker 3: what will come as a result of that?

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Speaker 9: You know, if you had asked me that forty eight

1225
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Speaker 9: hours ago, I would have said, no, that the pounding

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Speaker 9: that they're getting from the Israelis will lead to collapse. However,

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Speaker 9: looking at it from the perspective this morning, I think

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Speaker 9: that that will be a long term proposition. That is,

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Speaker 9: I don't think the Israelis have it in them alone

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Speaker 9: to be able to achieve that. What I've heard and

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Speaker 9: gathered from open source open sources and talking to people

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Speaker 9: on the inside, et cetera, is that the regime has

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Speaker 9: kind of like gotten reconsolidated itself. Let's say, in recent

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Speaker 9: recent days they claim to have taken care of the

1235
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Speaker 9: Mossad infiltration that wrecks such havoc in the early stages

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Speaker 9: of the conflict. They are getting better at their kind

1237
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 9: of very experimental people so they just like were like,

1238
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Speaker 9: let's try different things with with Iron Dome and with

1239
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 9: David slaying, and they're getting their kind of learning and

1240
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 9: adjusting tactics as they go on. As I understand it,

1241
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 9: and here, I, you know, take this with a grain

1242
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Speaker 9: of salt, because I'm not like the kind of military expert,

1243
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Speaker 9: but as I understand it, there miss they're like missile

1244
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 9: launch structure is very automated and and hard to get at,

1245
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 9: more so than than Israelis have claimed or did claim

1246
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Speaker 9: in the triumphant early days. And so with all that

1247
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Speaker 9: in mind, I think that what they want to do

1248
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Speaker 9: is to make this a kind of long war of

1249
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Speaker 9: attrition that goes on for a long time. I just so,

1250
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Speaker 9: in other words, I'm saying is like the risks of

1251
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 9: regime collapse have somewhat been reduced to my mind over

1252
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Speaker 9: the past forty eight hours. However, that doesn't mean that

1253
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Speaker 9: if it happens, it's a good thing for all the

1254
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Speaker 9: early reasons I mentioned, or that the war of attrition

1255
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 9: model is good for anyone in the region, you know,

1256
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Speaker 9: whether it's US troops who are vulnerable and don't have

1257
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 9: an iron dome sitting in Iraq and elsewhere, whether it's

1258
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Speaker 9: Israel itself. I mean, I love the city of Tel Aviv,

1259
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 9: and it really breaks my heart to see what the

1260
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 9: Iranian ballistic systems have done. I mean, this has to

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Speaker 9: be put to a stop through a negotiated settlement.

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Speaker 2: So so, what I hear from people who are supportive

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Speaker 2: of US getting offensively directly involved is basically like, well,

1264
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Speaker 2: we can just go in, drop some mongerbusters on four

1265
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: dough get out, and I don't know what you people

1266
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: are so concerned about, Like this will be quick, it'll

1267
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Speaker 2: be easy. It doesn't require us to be boots on

1268
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Speaker 2: the ground and this long sal scale, you know, involvement.

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Speaker 6: How do you see that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so basically, okay, the way I think about it

1271
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 9: is actually, this is an analogy from a friend of mine,

1272
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Speaker 9: Kurt Mills, who said, you know, there are two houses.

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 9: One is a mansion and one is like a fixer upper.

1274
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 9: The mansion is a negotiated settlement. The fixer upper is

1275
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 9: the quick hit, and it looks more attractive, it looks

1276
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 9: cheaper upfront, it's easier to sign the deal, meaning of

1277
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 9: buying the house or in this case striking four dough.

1278
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 9: But the house is actually termite ridden and collapses, you know,

1279
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 9: when it's exposed to the lightest storm. So what I

1280
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 9: mean by that is that this idea that you can

1281
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 9: go in very quickly, hit four dough and get out,

1282
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 9: you have to take it with a big chunk of salt,

1283
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 9: not a grain of salt. Because Iran has only so

1284
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Speaker 9: far used it's long range ballistics against Israel, that makes

1285
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 9: sense because of the distance. It has a whole bunch

1286
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 9: of short and medium range missiles that can reach US

1287
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 9: bases which are vulnerable. As I said, it can try

1288
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Speaker 9: to close the Strait of Hormuz through which twenty percent

1289
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 9: of the world's energy supplies traverse and if they do

1290
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Speaker 9: either or both of those things, and the United States

1291
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 9: will inevitably right be forced to respond in a bigger way.

1292
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Speaker 9: And we're in that bigger war. So the mansion, which

1293
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 9: looks expensive and difficult and daunting to get of a deal,

1294
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 9: is actually the more realistic option than the fixer upper

1295
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 9: of just go in, strike and get out.

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Speaker 2: And lastly so rob and by the way, we should

1297
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: mention to people who are concerned about things, you have

1298
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Speaker 2: been there, so you are eminently qualified on every level

1299
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Speaker 2: to speak of such things. But the other thing that

1300
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: Trump has posited is that American strikes Asraeli strikes, and

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Speaker 2: then you know, ultimately potentially American strikes on Iran will

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Speaker 2: soften them up so that that mansion will be more

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Speaker 2: easily acquired.

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Speaker 6: What do you make of that logic?

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Speaker 9: I just think at that point their incentives is you

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Speaker 9: basically have someone in a hole who's like firing at you,

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Speaker 9: and you fire even more, and you're telling him, but

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Speaker 9: come out, and his mentality is, well, if I come

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Speaker 9: out with my arms up, you're gonna shoot me.

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Speaker 5: So the only the only.

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Speaker 9: Rational thing from my point of view is to just

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Speaker 9: hole up and keep firing and maybe I'll die in

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Speaker 9: a flash of you know, heat, or I won't. But

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Speaker 9: I just don't see I don't see Iranians being able

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Speaker 9: to uh, the Iranian leaderships as we know known it historically.

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Speaker 9: You know, at that point, once that has happened, they think, well,

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Speaker 9: you're out to kill me, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna take my chances with firing rockets and closing

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Speaker 9: hor moves and you know, potentially setting off terrorist proxies

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Speaker 9: elsewhere in western heartlands, et cetera, et cetera. I just

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Speaker 9: I'm trying to think through that, and I just don't

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Speaker 9: see them being softened up. I'm seeing that just feeling

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Speaker 9: so cornered that.

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Speaker 1: I don't see any historical evidence for it. I see none.

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Speaker 3: You know, nations that are under the gun and ask

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Speaker 3: for unconditional surrender very rarely do it until they suffer

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Speaker 3: immense and mass death, and usually the population allis to

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Speaker 3: the flag because they don't want to deal with it either,

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Speaker 3: as bad as it is, They're willing to fight to

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Speaker 3: the death. And that's a very bad scenario I think

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Speaker 3: for all of us so up. Your commentary, your pieces

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Speaker 3: and all that have been so so helpful for all

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Speaker 3: of us, and I know they've been circulating wide part

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Speaker 3: of the reason we wanted to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: I encourage everybody to read it and please keep up

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Speaker 3: the good work. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Great to see it sarth bad news.

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Speaker 2: Guys, You're going to have to wait until tomorrow the

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Speaker 2: Friday Show to find out what our dear leader Obama

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Speaker 2: had to say about the present situation. So I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you'll be waiting with baited bread. Just went too long,

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Speaker 2: as we often do in the rest of the show.

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Speaker 6: We got to get it wrapped to get badlines, get

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Speaker 6: it out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sticking with us this week

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Speaker 2: for all of the coverage. I think we're going to

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Speaker 2: have all four hosts for the Friday show. To Mario,

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Speaker 2: I'll make it work, so we're going to have extensive

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Speaker 2: coverage there. And Rocana is actually going to join us.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the Democrats who's been pushing the War

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Speaker 2: Powers resolution fight in Congress, so really important to talk

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Speaker 2: to him right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: Then