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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan,

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Speaker 1: warmly joined today by Tara Roberts, who has been on

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Speaker 1: the show many times. Of course, today we are talking

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Speaker 1: running back position battles to know for fantasy drafts. Before

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Speaker 1: we get into it, Tara, how are you doing. I

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Speaker 1: have not really done any offseason shows with you.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, our this is our happy reunion, so the first

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Speaker 3: of many to come.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm doing good. How about you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I was just telling you a little bit about some

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Speaker 1: of the HVAC stuff that our audience has already heard

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Speaker 1: many times. I won't bore them with the details, but

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Speaker 1: it is nice to actually be sitting in a cool

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Speaker 1: house now. I know you can relate to some very

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Speaker 1: hot weather living where you do as well, so you

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Speaker 1: know what it's like and sometimes you don't really have

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Speaker 1: a choice but to just do whatever it takes to

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Speaker 1: get that cool air. So thankfully we're doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit better here today. Yeah, we should be back for

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Speaker 1: our Monday shows this season, I think, so you'll see

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Speaker 1: more of us together when we get into the regular season.

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Speaker 4: So I hope everybody enjoys the show.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're talking running back position battles to

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Speaker 1: know for your fantasy drafts. Reminder for everybody, all of

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Speaker 1: our twenty twenty six consensus rankings and tiers can be

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Speaker 1: found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.

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Speaker 4: No real order here, Terra.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just go kind of in the order that

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Speaker 1: I wrote down the names into the show sheet. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with the New England Patriots. Kind of a main

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Speaker 1: two obviously, right, some of these backfields you can get

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Speaker 1: three names deep, maybe even four names deep if you

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Speaker 1: really want. The Patriots, it's just really the big two, right,

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Speaker 1: remindre Stevenson and Travon Henderson, what are the more fascinating

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Speaker 1: situations to watch play out last year?

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Speaker 4: Just given that.

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Speaker 1: Henderson was a player. A lot of people liked Henderson was,

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Speaker 1: you know, providing these explosives, and Stevenson had that fumbling issue,

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Speaker 1: and we kept talking about when is Mike Rabel going

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Speaker 1: to bench this guy and give Trayvon Henderson an opportunity. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: with an injury, Henderson got an opportunity. Looked pretty good,

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Speaker 1: but that didn't end very strong, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: pretty non existent in the playoffs. So going into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. Do you view this as something close to

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Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty split. Do you view this as

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Speaker 1: you view this as a passing of the torch where

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Speaker 1: Henderson takes the mantle from Steven said, what is your

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Speaker 1: kind of macro level view on the Patriots backfield?

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Speaker 3: My macro level view on the Patriots backfield is that

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Speaker 3: it on the surface feels like it's one of the

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Speaker 3: least dramatic ones because, as you mentioned, there's so many

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Speaker 3: others where we've got a factor in three backs and

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out who's good at what, and we

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Speaker 3: know exactly what this is. It's just extremely scary because

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: volatility in not knowing just how floor or just how

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Speaker 3: low that floor could potentially be for Trevon Henderson. Because

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Speaker 3: on the surface, if you look at the season as

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Speaker 3: a whole, like if this were any other second year

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Speaker 3: ten total touchdowns, the receiving upside that he has a

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Speaker 3: solid finish last year as an RB two. You would

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Speaker 3: be looking at this and saying, Okay, we're looking for

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Speaker 3: a breakout season, We're all in. We'd be moving him

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Speaker 3: massively up the rankings, and yet we're not doing that

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Speaker 3: how Travion Henderson fits with Ramadre Stevenson in terms of

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Speaker 3: trust level. And that's the key here, because this is

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Speaker 3: not a quantifiable like looking and trying to figure out, Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to have this specific role. The

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Speaker 3: problem is is that, as you mentioned, the production was

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Speaker 3: So the concern for me here in terms of how

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Speaker 3: Ramondre Stevenson as the back that they trust in past protection,

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Speaker 3: the reliable back who apparently fumbles and it's not a

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Speaker 3: big deal. So it's a confusing situation because we're having

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Speaker 3: much do you want to risk the potential ceiling here?

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Speaker 3: Because Henderson is going to constantly have Stevenson as a

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Speaker 3: wants to say, Ramadre Stevenson, we're not scared of him.

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Speaker 2: He's not a threat, he's nothing.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what we think as much as what

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I think the ADP

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Speaker 3: a problem with that, taking him next to guys who

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Speaker 3: wouldn't utilize him as somebody that maybe you're waiting and

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Speaker 3: turn around thinking that Trayvon Henderson is going to be

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Speaker 2: I would not go that route.

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Speaker 3: I would trust him as an RB two and know

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Speaker 1: It is funny to the point you made earlier that like,

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Speaker 1: you really don't hear people talk about him as a

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Speaker 1: you know, rushing and receiving combined was over eleven hundred

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Speaker 1: That is not the way the conversation has been shaped,

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Speaker 1: at least that I've heard around Trayvon Henderson this offseason.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good rookie season, even with the up

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Speaker 1: if you think there's any kind of step forward, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get why there's excitement, But he's you know, he

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Speaker 1: was RB twenty one last year.

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Speaker 4: He's not going as RB twenty one. He's going as RB.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three, so he's going a little bit lower than

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Speaker 1: even what that volatile year gave us. He's RB twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Ro Madri Stevens RB twenty nine. Does that feel right

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Speaker 1: to you? That gap RB twenty three to RB twenty

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Speaker 3: It feels right, But I think you could maybe make

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Speaker 2: Bit further, maybe just a tiny bit.

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Speaker 3: And be more appropriately ring and it's kind of squabbling there,

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Speaker 3: but maybe more appropriately within that kind of Blake Korm

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Speaker 3: think maybe you could make that argument, but I feel

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Speaker 1: There is there anything that you think Travon Henderson like

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Speaker 1: think the coaching staff wants to see that could get

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Speaker 1: him more of an opportunity, But that doesn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: require an injury or anything like that. Like he came

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Speaker 1: a matter of like knowing the playbook a little bit

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Speaker 1: better in your two Like, is there anything like not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does come down to the pass

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Speaker 3: protection because we know he's an explosive back. He can

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Speaker 3: the other factor, is that the reliability And again why

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Speaker 3: it might have turned out this way in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: The reliability of that Patriots offensive line kind of falling

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Speaker 3: that we might need that extra boost, Yeah, we need

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Speaker 3: to see that extra boost in pass protection from Travon

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Speaker 3: The only weird thing is that as we go through

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Speaker 3: and I haven't seen a whole bunch of Traveon Henderson

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Speaker 1: All right, Tarah, Let's go to the Steelers. You just

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Speaker 1: mentioned there a bunch of different names in this one.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start with Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 2: This is a this is a fun one.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's start off with Caleb Johnson and nick him out,

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Speaker 3: nix him out of the conversation, like.

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Speaker 4: I think I did.

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Speaker 1: I did write him in the show sheet for everybody

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Speaker 1: to know with a bunch of question marks. I was like,

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Speaker 1: are we even gonna mention this guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I hate it for him, but I do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's probably I mean, honestly, if they

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Speaker 3: but the fact that Rico already has that built in

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Speaker 3: trust with the coach, I mean, it just makes it

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Speaker 3: such an uphill battle for Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So, and we already saw last year.

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously new coaching staff, but we already saw last

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Speaker 3: I do think it boils down to jalb Warren and

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Speaker 3: We've got Jalen Warren as the incumbent running back, and

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Speaker 2: So it's possible that this could go as a committee.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, let's look at it from a broad

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Speaker 3: We know that Michael Pittman is one of the more

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 3: We've heard so many positive things about Jeremy Bernards, so

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Speaker 3: At Rico doubt O versus Jalen Warren, the one thing

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Speaker 3: good in pass protection and receiving. Ric o'dado has operated

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Speaker 2: He can.

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Speaker 3: He's not the best pass protector in the world, but

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Speaker 3: he can do it, and he can handle checkdowns. But

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Speaker 2: Over Rico Dawdle.

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Speaker 3: So if this were too split to a committee, my

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Speaker 3: it change of pace in blocking.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But I was doing a Twitch live yesterday with Scott

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Speaker 3: Bobman and he made a really good point, right, because

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Speaker 3: kind of ridiculous. At what point do we just accept

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great point that you bring up there.

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Speaker 1: I think this one is really tough for me because

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Speaker 1: some of the other position battles that we're looking at,

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Speaker 1: there is a gap in where these guys are ranked,

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Speaker 1: and with this one there's really not. I think they're

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Speaker 1: like a round apart in ADP and it's Jalen Warren's

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Speaker 1: not like some huge discount on today.

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Speaker 4: Like sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Get into these uncertain situations at different positions too during

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Speaker 1: fantasy draft season, and I find myself saying, I'll just

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Speaker 1: take whoever's going latest, and that way I don't have

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Speaker 1: take this one. It's like, Okay, you can wait around

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Speaker 1: You know, Jayleen Warren, like you said, is maybe just

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Speaker 3: I think if I were to say which one has

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Speaker 3: clear and defined three down back over Jalen Warren. No,

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Speaker 3: I think it would end up being a split there.

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Speaker 3: But can I fathom a world where Jalen Warren is

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Speaker 2: Aspects over Rico daddle Yeah, I could. I could. I

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, when you look at the Vegas odds,

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Speaker 3: they're they're projecting that Rico Daddo has the more rushing

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like everyone is thinking, this is just

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Speaker 3: I do think it would be Warren.

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Speaker 2: But again, I'm one hundred percent with you. It's a

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Speaker 3: There's no clear to find a breakout here for either

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Speaker 1: Would you rather draft either of those two or Ramandre Stevenson,

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Speaker 3: I think I would rather draft one of those two,

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Speaker 3: just because I can fathom a world where Trevion Henderson

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Speaker 2: Value just into a handcuff.

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Speaker 3: At least with these two running backs in Pittsburgh, I

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Speaker 2: Consistently have a value there.

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Speaker 3: So I neither one's really my favorite, but I would

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Jacksonville Jaguars base shall Teuton obviously

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Speaker 1: I actually do like at cost quite a bit. Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: just taking a kind of like what I was just saying,

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Speaker 1: But and just to let everybody know, RB twenty five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a dreamer on this one, Ryan, I am

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Speaker 3: we look at Chris Rodriguez, we know that he is

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Speaker 3: If we were pumping this ADP up right but you're

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Speaker 3: thing that I tell people is, like, one the camp

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Speaker 3: guy that Liam Cohen showed extreme amount of trust, odd

440
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 3: amount of trust for a rookie who was operating as

441
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Speaker 3: a backup because Traves Etn was the.

442
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 2: Clear lead back.

443
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: But there was very keen situational usage for Bacial Tuton.

444
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 3: He had a lot considering that he was a certified backup, right,

445
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 3: this was not a any kind of committee kind of situation.

446
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 3: He had an odd amount of usage in the red zone.

447
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 3: There twenty three attempts inside the red zone, converted four

448
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 3: of those into touchdowns. All four of those were inside

449
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 3: the five, so he was shown to have trust at

450
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: the goal line. He also had two red zone receptions

451
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 3: that were converted in two touchdowns as well. So I

452
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 3: think there, I think that's kind of like a nice

453
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: little caveat of something for us to look at and say,

454
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 3: there is inherent trust that Liam Cohen showed last.

455
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: Year with Bacial Tutan.

456
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Speaker 3: And we have gotten some little camp notes and whatnot.

457
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: Some coach speak is always fun there. Liam Cohen has

458
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: been recently speaking on Bacial Tutan and.

459
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: Just you know, saying stuff that you know, it's funny.

460
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: People can interpret it any way they want, but saying like, hey,

461
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 3: we want you to do the things that you can do,

462
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: be the best that you are, and then saying we

463
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 3: definitely expect Touton to have a big year for us.

464
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Speaker 3: Take that as you will, but I'm happy to see

465
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: positive reinforcement from Leam Cohen regarding Basil Tutan.

466
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: And if there is one player.

467
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 3: In this backfield who could theoretically handle all three downs,

468
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 3: obviously with some work in from the others, it's a

469
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 3: change of pace, it would be Bachel Tuton.

470
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: For me, are you interested in Chris Rodriguez at his

471
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Speaker 1: cost even if you also are like kind of being

472
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: the dreamer on Tutin and want to be investing in him,

473
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Speaker 1: because I mean, if Tuton's going in round six and

474
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: Rodriguez going around eleven, you could very easily get both

475
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: of them on your roster and invest in both. Does

476
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: that interest you or are you sort of pushing all

477
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 1: of your chips in on Tutin only it's.

478
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Speaker 3: Not the worst thing in the world, But my problem

479
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: with that is that we know that he will never

480
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 3: have that receiving word. That's just something that he doesn't do.

481
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: And Liam Cohen knows that about him, right. He didn't

482
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 3: catch passes in college either. So if we know that,

483
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: let's say Bachiltuton were to go down or anything like

484
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 3: that and he's out of the picture or whatever, and

485
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: we know that more than likely that would come down

486
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 3: to early down and goal line for Chris Rodriguez and

487
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: then probably laquent Allen Junior factoring and from the receiving

488
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: and blocking perspective, So from that perspective, like.

489
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: The ADP, isn't that it's not the worst thing in

490
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: the world.

491
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 3: Because if it ends up being a committee, maybe you

492
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: can get a guy who can give you a solid

493
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 3: ten points maybe a week, that eight to ten kind

494
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 3: of baseline of a guy getting some yardage and touchdown potential.

495
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: But he also goes back in a range where you

496
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Speaker 3: start to look at potential handcuffs that could have a

497
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: lot higher value, where they to step into starter roles

498
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 3: right three down, high upside, league winning upside. And that's

499
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: the difference for me is that I can't say that

500
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: I would see league winning upside from Chris Rodriguez, safe upside,

501
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 3: like safe cool, We could get a nice flex option,

502
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: but at that point, I see a lot of guys

503
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 3: where I'm like, Okay, I could see this as a

504
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: three down back happening there and giving me an ample

505
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: amount of Fantasy points on a weekly basis, So I'd

506
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Speaker 3: rather go that direction.

507
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Speaker 1: These backfields are exactly the kinds of situations you should

508
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: test with the draft simulator. Run realistic mocks, see where

509
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: each running back is coming off the board, and compare

510
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: how your roster looks when you chase the upside, take

511
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: the safer role, or fade the entire backfield. Go to

512
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com, slash mock or download the Fantasy Pros app,

513
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: use the draft simulator, and practice these tough calls before

514
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: draft day.

515
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Speaker 4: All right.

516
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Speaker 1: One of the toughest backfields of my opinion Denver Broncos JK.

517
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: Dobbins, RJ.

518
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: Harvey, and the rookie who I liked a lot coming

519
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: into the draft in Joanah Coleman. I think there's a

520
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: real role for him in the NFL. Three really interesting

521
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: names for kind of different reasons. You know, Dobbins has

522
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: always been talented, but has never been even close to

523
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: healthy throughout his NFL career.

524
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Speaker 4: You know, RJ.

525
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: Harvey scored fantasy points last year once Dobbins went down,

526
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: but didn't necessarily look like the best running back doing it.

527
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how much of a believer you

528
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: are in Harvey. The player I know fits when we

529
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: talk about Harvey on the Dyna Show, is pretty interested

530
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: in fading r J.

531
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Speaker 4: Harvey.

532
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: And then Jonah Coleman, a limited, I don't want to

533
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: say flawed, I'll say limited running back, but a guy

534
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: who can do some things pretty well, who's really productive

535
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: at Washington at times in college, and who was drafted here.

536
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: So three names that I could see this backfield going

537
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: in any direction, given various inefficiencies, various injuries. It feels

538
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: like maybe Dobbins will certainly get the first crack at it,

539
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: I would think, But you know, if he gets hurt again,

540
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: or if they just want to take it easy on

541
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: him and make sure they have him around for the playoffs,

542
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: which they didn't last year, then then I could see

543
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: this going in a few different directions. Fantasy wise. How

544
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: are you approaching the Broncos backfield?

545
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: It has got to be the weirdest running back group

546
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: as a whole, because you nailed the reason that makes

547
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: it the weirdest running back group last year once RJ.

548
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: Harvey became the lead back, the problem was is like

549
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: from a fantasy.

550
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Perspective, if you look at those weeks, you.

551
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: See the points, you're like, okay, good, No, I was

552
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 3: all happy, yeah, but unfortunately the efficiency on the ground

553
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: was a problem, right, And I think that why know,

554
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: Sean Payton knows that that's why we had all of

555
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: the off season fodder around them potentially dipping into the

556
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: free agency market for a running back, why they drafted

557
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman as well.

558
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: We've also got r J.

559
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: Harvey saying that he's, you know, been watching tapes of

560
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: different backs, like I think Kenneth Walker was one that

561
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: he mentioned, So I think he is also clearly and

562
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: probably Sean Payton, who does not mince words, has made

563
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: it very clear as well that the work on the

564
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: ground wasn't good enough.

565
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: So the fear that you have there is, you know,

566
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: we know for an.

567
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Unfortunate fact that the odds of JK. Dobbins making it

568
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: through an entire season are slim, So you're drafting R J.

569
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: Harvey with the understanding that the backfield will more than

570
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: likely look the way that it did if we're just

571
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: not even addressing Joonah Coleman right now, the backfield, if

572
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: it's just Dobbins and Harvey, will look the way it

573
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: did in the early half of the season before Dobbins

574
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: went down, which was the vast majority of the carries

575
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: going to JK. Dobbins, but he was not exactly the

576
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: most usable back in the world because the red zone usage.

577
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, for the efficiency on the ground issues, we

578
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: had a lot of usage for RJ. Harvey and the

579
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: red zone in particular, the receiving touchdowns were there as well.

580
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: So it's a weird one where you've got a volatile

581
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: potential production from Harvey at.

582
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: The beginning of the season because you know he's not going.

583
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: To have a certain level of workload on the ground,

584
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: and then a mediocre production from JK. Dobbins, and then

585
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: we hear all these camp rumors about Jonah Coleman looking excellent,

586
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: potentially factoring in earlier than we would see even once

587
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: a JK. Dobbins injury where it happen, So then we've

588
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: got to address it from a three headed monster approach there,

589
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: So what happens if JK. Dobbins goes down and then

590
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman comes in and just fulfills that JK. Dobbins role,

591
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: And here you have drafted RJ. Harvey for inevitable three

592
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: down work that never comes because Sean Payton has collected

593
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: all of the players that he needs to ensure that

594
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: this stays into a perma committee through the end of time.

595
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: So it just makes it very unappealing. Now, if you

596
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: as a drafter don't.

597
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Believe in Coleman, then for sure you invest in Harvey

598
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: because at some point JK. Dobbins will go down.

599
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: But if we're sitting here in camp and we're getting

600
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: nothing but positives out of Jonah Coleman, you have to

601
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: be aware of the possibility there that this may never

602
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: exclusively be RJ.

603
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: Harvey's backfield. And then there's one more weird caveat that

604
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know is being addressed. The addition of Jalen

605
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: Waddell could actually affect RJ.

606
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 3: Harvey as well, because because when we were looking at

607
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: that first half of the season production last year for RJ. Harvey,

608
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: that was a lot of receiving work right, So what

609
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: happens if we still get those checkdowns of receiving work, right?

610
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: But what if those touchdowns go away?

611
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: What if we get the addition of Jalen Wattle adds

612
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: a different dynamic weapon, which is good because physically he's

613
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: a lot different than Courtland, Sutton and Pat Bryant, who

614
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: were all big, towering receivers. Right, We've got Wattle that

615
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: can play a more underneath role here potentially once they

616
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: get into the red zone and give them some versatility

617
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: in terms.

618
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: Of how they're getting these touchdowns. So it doesn't have

619
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: to be Harvey.

620
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: We could see the effect of touchdowns shifting to the

621
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: wide receivers a little bit more there. So there's a

622
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: lot of factors that go in here in terms of

623
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: Harvey's floor potentially being a lot lower than people might

624
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: expect it to be. So it's not my favorite pick

625
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: in the world to invest in anyone in this backfield

626
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: because the most logical outcome for me is a true

627
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: permanent committee here.

628
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Not only you know the possibility of Waddle mixing up

629
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: this offense, but also Sean Payton, you know, stepping down

630
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: from play calling duties.

631
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Who knows that will last the whole season, right.

632
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a chance that we get a

633
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: month and a half in and it's not going well

634
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: and he takes play calling duties back over from Davis Webb.

635
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: But that was like a big deal, especially for one

636
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: of these sort of like seminole foundational offensive minds of

637
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: this century of NFL football. And Sean Payton is now

638
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: not going to be calling plays and he is a

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: real deserved reputation for not caring about your fantasy team.

640
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: So now that it's somebody else, maybe there turns into

641
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: a little more certainty in this backfield.

642
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: I and it very much remains to be seen.

643
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: I think I think you put it best when you

644
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: said that this is the weirdest backfield to try to navigate.

645
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: Here, they're very close R. J. Harvey and JK.

646
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Dobbins in the Expert Consensus rankings. They are RB thirty two,

647
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: RB thirty four, Joonah Coleman further down at RB fifty four.

648
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: Obviously, I I don't know.

649
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: I was going to say that I'm surprised that Harvey

650
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: is ahead of Dobbins. Excuse me, But at the end

651
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: of the day, I do think like the injury history

652
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: just plays such a big role in that ranking that like,

653
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: you cannot really assume anything close to a full season

654
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: from Dobbins, which which is a bummer because I really

655
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: liked the player, but you just can't assume it. He's

656
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: he's played fifteen games back in twenty twenty and then

657
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: eight one, thirteen, ten and those thirteen and ten like,

658
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: we're not you know, good finishes.

659
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: It's just you have to bake it in.

660
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: So I guess that probably, I guess for that reason,

661
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not as surprised, but I do think when both

662
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: are healthy that like Dobbins is the guy that will

663
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: rank higher on a week to week basis, just not

664
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: season long.

665
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

666
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny cause I've seen some people saying that,

667
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: you know, Harvey is the better back and that JK.

668
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: Dobbins is just the plotter. I don't think the stats

669
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: show that. I think that in terms of who was

670
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: more successful on the ground, JK. Dobbins was the one.

671
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 2: So again, I just hesitate for people to think that

672
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: right off the bat, we're going to see significant uptick

673
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: and volume on the ground from Harvey. So just be

674
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: aware that Dobbins is still present and does have that

675
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: favorite with Sean Bayton.

676
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: In the same backfield. JK.

677
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Dobbins just averaged five yards per attempt last season.

678
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 3: RJ.

679
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: Harvey was three point seven yards per attempt. Harvey gave

680
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: you Moore as a pass catcher for sure, and obviously

681
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: played the full season, which made many finished a lot

682
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: higher in the season long rankings. But Dobbins was the

683
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: better runner last year. I thought that was pretty clear

684
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: in my opinion, at least strictly as a rusher. Same

685
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to another backfield with three names, maybe not

686
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: as weird as the Broncos, but probably murkier at least

687
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: maybe you disagree with the Washington Commanders. Rashad White, Jacory Krafski,

688
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: Merrit and k tron Allen are the three names that

689
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I put down. Obviously White coming from Tampa, Bill Krafsky,

690
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Merritt just everybody's favorite sleeper in August to the point

691
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: where he really wasn't a sleeper anymore, and then doesn't

692
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: have that great of a year. And then Kate tron Allen,

693
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: who maybe not the athlete that Nick Singleton was in

694
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: the same backfield at Penn State, but.

695
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: Sort of the better just pure runner.

696
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: It felt like to a lot of people who would

697
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: watch the games, and you know, better use of his

698
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: blocking and better vision and that sort of thing.

699
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: So an interesting.

700
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Player coming out of Penn State, one of the most

701
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: prolific running backs Penn State's ever had, interestingly enough, just

702
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: given that he played.

703
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: A full four years there.

704
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: But between these three, do you have a favorite? I mean,

705
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: this is the one of all the backfields we're talking

706
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: about today, This is the one where there is no

707
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: one guy who is going all that high in drafts.

708
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: For Shod White is RB thirty seven, Jacory krosski Merit

709
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: is RB forty, and k Tron Allen is RB sixty six.

710
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: So one guy inside the top forty and he's not

711
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: even inside the top thirty six. So feels more wide open,

712
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: or at least as wide open as any of those

713
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: other position battles we're talking about today, maybe with less

714
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: subside at least if you go based on rankings.

715
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one that you know what everyone theoretically does.

716
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: So it's not super murky.

717
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: In terms of skill sets, but it is super murky

718
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: in terms of what Washington actually wants to do. And

719
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: we've got a change an offensive coordinator. So again in

720
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: this where we're not privy to any kind of preferences

721
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: here in terms of who would have the more upside

722
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: between these backs with the offensive coordinator. So when you're

723
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: looking at this one, though, I will say, as you mentioned,

724
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: the rankings are so much further back for these guys,

725
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: So I don't actually think that any one of them

726
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: is a negative to invest in because none of them

727
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: are going to break the.

728
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: Bank for you. You know, I've gotten comments of people saying, no,

729
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: it's k Tron Allen that you want.

730
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, if you feel that that is a

731
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 3: very last round pick, absolutely take that stab. It is

732
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: not going to hurt you in any way, shape or form.

733
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: So get your guy on this one if you really

734
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: truly do have a belief that one is going to

735
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: come out.

736
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of JCM truthers. There's a lot of.

737
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, a lot of Rashad White truthers as well.

738
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: But it's funny because when you break down the skill sets,

739
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: I think we know who's good at what right. We

740
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: know that Rashad White is very good when it comes

741
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: to blocking and receiving. We know that JCM does not

742
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: have that skill set and did not have that skill

743
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: set last year and that was something that held him back.

744
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: But on a positive note, compared to some of the

745
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 3: other previous guys we've talked about, it seems very clear

746
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: that he understands this and has reportedly definitely been working

747
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: on it in the off season.

748
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: So this is one of those ones where a training

749
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: camp is actually going to be very beneficial for us

750
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: because we can actually look at the footage and say,

751
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: I want to see Jacory Krossky Merrit in action and

752
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: put up for seed. You know, is this something that

753
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: you actually improved on?

754
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: Is it possible for you to be a contributor when

755
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: it comes to third down work here? Because while I

756
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: don't think you would, over the course of a year

757
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: improve to the level where you're going to get.

758
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: As good as Rashad White, can you be good enough

759
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: to where.

760
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Washington doesn't have to have a set back here and

761
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: they can kind of mix and match and make the

762
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: offense a little less predictable on that level, So that

763
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: one's the key there for me. And then trying to

764
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: figure out if k Tron Allen could in any way,

765
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: shape or form be better at the goal line than

766
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: Jacory Krossky merit because that was a secondary issue that

767
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: came in with him last year. Whenever JCM got carries,

768
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: he was successful with them for the most part. But

769
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: the problem was is we got into this weird back

770
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 3: half the situation or back half of the season situation

771
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: where Chris Rodriguez was getting the preferred goal line work

772
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: and he was good at and successful at it, and

773
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: I get it, but it gives you pause and sitting

774
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: there and saying, is it possible that JCM is just.

775
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: Not the best in that aspect and.

776
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: Maybe Kitron Allen, who you mentioned was very reliable in college,

777
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: could he sneak in there and get that goal line

778
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: work and make this a weird, nasty three headed committee

779
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: where nothing is effective. So it's it's this one is peculiar, right,

780
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: And I did go back and look because that probably

781
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: leads you to saying, Okay, since Rashad White would have

782
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: the receiving upside, is he the most reliable option in

783
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: this backfield? Well, let's go back and look at Jayden

784
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: Daniels in his rookie season, because last year we can't

785
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: really use that as a comp and try to figure

786
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: out what this would look like in terms of checkdowns

787
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: for him, because Washington has utilized the committee through multiple

788
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: regimes here and back in twenty twenty four during the

789
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: rookie season there for Jadan Daniels, it was Brian Robinson

790
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: and Austin Eckler. Eckler missed some time, but his seventeen

791
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: game pace in terms of receptions was about three per game,

792
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: so seventeen game pace would be about fifty total there.

793
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: So there is some potential there for Rashad White to

794
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: have the most reliable floor.

795
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: In this backfield just based off.

796
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: The receiving work. If we were to take it back

797
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: and see what the checkdown rate was for Jadon Daniels

798
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: in his rookie season. So if I were going to

799
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: look at this backfield and parse everyone out there, Rashad

800
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: White is the safer pick because of that receiving upside.

801
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: Ja Corey Krofsky Merritt would be your boom high upside

802
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: pick because he would potentially have the ability to have

803
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: the early down work and the goal line work, and

804
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: maybe he creeps in there and gets a little bit

805
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: of that receiving work if he's really improved on that end.

806
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: So I would approach it from that end, as long

807
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: as we get the confirmation that we're not going to

808
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: have Kateron Allen sniping at the goal line.

809
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: Is there, like?

810
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: Is this an offense that you want to be investing in,

811
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: especially when you can do it for cheap like this? Like,

812
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: what are your expectations for year three of Jade Daniels?

813
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Obviously an excellent year one injury riddle of the year two?

814
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, we do have the new young hot shot

815
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: coordinator play collar. You mentioned getting the new offense in

816
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: there in general, because we know roughly what Jade and

817
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: Daniels is going to cost in drafts, we know roughly

818
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: what Terry McLaurin is going to cost in drafts.

819
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: There's a lot of uncertainty beyond that.

820
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: Is this just an offense in general that you think, Hey,

821
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: there's some real upside here. I think there's gonna be

822
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of scoring opportunities. I want to take some swings.

823
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: Or is it, generally speaking an offense that you're more like,

824
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: I'll let somebody else try to play these mind games

825
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: and figure it out.

826
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take swings on it.

827
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't get any discount on Jane Daniels,

828
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: So if you're investing in that, you know you're investing

829
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: in it, right But everybody else, I mean, we're even

830
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: getting a discount on Terry mclaur and, who we mentioned

831
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: is really the only primary pass catcher in this offense. Now,

832
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: there are still other guys out there in free agency,

833
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: whether or not any of those pan out my thought processes,

834
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: maybe you eventually see a Stephan Diggs wind up there,

835
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: But for right now, we've got Terry McLaurin as the

836
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: primary pass catcher that is not going inside the top

837
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: twenty there. So we're getting a little bit of a

838
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: decent discount on that, and we know that all things equal,

839
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: in a full healthy season, Jane Daniels brought Terry mcluur

840
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: into life in terms of production that we just hadn't

841
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: seen because of the poor quarterback situation previously. So I'm

842
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: interested in Terry McLaurin as a low end wide receiver

843
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: two that's of good value. And then outside of that,

844
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: Chickoconquo I think is a little sleepy or a sneaky

845
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: sleeper pick there for us as well, sliding in as

846
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: a starting receiver again, you know, go back to we

847
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: know that Zach Ertz was actually, you know, a fairly

848
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: solid streaming option for what it was worth in terms

849
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: of garnering a decent amount of receptions. He was second

850
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: in receptions previously. So with no clear and discernible wide

851
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: receiver two two step up here, we could see Chig

852
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: step up take advantage of that opportunity and really make

853
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: something of the volume. So people looking to do any

854
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: kind of late round streaming options or maybe some little

855
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: sneaky options and tight end premium, that's one that's.

856
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: Very interesting listeners of this show.

857
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: I've heard me talk about chigacoc Quo enough, otherwise I

858
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: would start talking about him even more. Again, Let's go

859
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back field. Bucky Irving RB

860
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: twenty one in ECR, Kenny Gainwell is down at RB

861
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: thirty six, so a bit of a gap there. Ironically,

862
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: Gainwell is once apot ahead of Rashad White, who he

863
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: replaces in this backfield, and I throw out Sean Tucker

864
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: as well. He's has some flashes before, for sure, but

865
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: he is a bit further down in the rankings.

866
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: I'm not even sure.

867
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rbly fifty eight, so a little bit further

868
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: down as well.

869
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: I kind of view this as.

870
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving's backfield, but with interest in Gainwell given some

871
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: of the injury stuff last year for Bucky and just

872
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: the fact that Gainwell is a good player. But I

873
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: do think the rankings kind of reflect my thought on

874
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: the backfield, which is there is definitely a lean towards

875
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: Bucky right now. I know again I mentioned him already,

876
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: but Pat Fitzmorris on some of the Dynasty shows has

877
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: really been talking up Bucky and that's definitely seeped into

878
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: my twenty twenty six ranking of him. But what do

879
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: you make of this backfield? Is this Bucky's backfield to lose?

880
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: Do you see it as more of a split than

881
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: the rankings would suggest.

882
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: Let me try negatively influence you there, right, I'm bucking

883
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: won't be that bad. It will be that bad.

884
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: I agree he is he is the lead back. I'm

885
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: not disputing that. I agree with that. My problem here

886
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: is that he is the lead back in an offense

887
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: where when we saw last season, the one thing that

888
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: if you kind of look at the stats and point

889
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: out his usage in the red zone, and he was

890
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: a bellcow running back right with when in games that

891
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: he played you know Sands the injury.

892
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Once he came back, volume was there in.

893
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: Terms of touches, but what was missing was the red

894
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: zone work there. And once you get inside the tin,

895
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: his usage drops so far below everyone else in terms

896
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: of the guys that had those true bell Cow level

897
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: of touches there.

898
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: That's the concern for me.

899
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: So we're talking about a situation where we trust in

900
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: theory if you you know, injury issue was definitely traumatizing

901
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: on that one.

902
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: But when we trust that he is the lead back.

903
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: But if we've got two guys and Kenneth Gainwell and

904
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: Seanchucker Tucker that are chipping away at the workload. Kenneth Gainwell,

905
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: who has been described let's talk camp Pipe, has been

906
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: described by his coaching staff as you know, very positively

907
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: talking about he and Bucky Irving are very similar.

908
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: They can mirror each other. These are very.

909
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 3: Interesting language that they are using in reference to Kenneth

910
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: Gainwell and Bucky Irving. And we know that he is

911
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: an upgraded version of for Shot White. For every positive

912
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: thing that I said about for Shot White, it's you know,

913
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: a little bit up further for Kenneth Gainwell. And I

914
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: think the money kind of does. It's not massive money,

915
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: but the money does kind of indicate that they view

916
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: that as well, that he is worth really being that

917
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: one b.

918
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: So if we've got Gamewell.

919
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: Chipping away at the receptions, right, and then we've got

920
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: Sean Tucker chipping away at the goal line, I'm worried

921
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: that with Bucky Irving, we get into a situation where

922
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: he is perpetually in that RB maybe eighteen to twenty

923
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: four range, where there's a certain level to where you're

924
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: not busting and it's a complete like, oh no, he

925
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: got me two fantasy points this week, but you're never

926
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: getting that.

927
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: Level of upside that you were hoping that you could

928
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: see that we've seen from him previously though. And then

929
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: we've got the change in offensive coordinator here.

930
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: So one thing I do, I like the Tampa Bay

931
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: Bucks offense as a whole for a bounce back here

932
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: because we had poor offensive coordinator work last season. Baker

933
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: Mayfield was injured right and playing through it throughout a

934
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: lot of the season. Receiving corb was dealing with injuries

935
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: as well. So I like Tampa Bay for a bounce

936
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: back here, especially under new coordinator Zach Robinson. Who, by

937
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: the way, was the guy in Atlanta that was giving

938
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: goal line touches to Tyler Algier at an egregious clip

939
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: over Beijon Robinson. So if we've got an offense that

940
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: was already doing this and then we got Zach Robinson

941
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: who had this tendency in Atlanta, I'm very concerned that

942
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: there's to certain ceiling that Bucky Irving unfortunately can't have

943
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: in this offense.

944
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Where sorry, did you say, where is he ranked for you?

945
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Because he's, like I said, RB twenty one in consensus?

946
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: Where do you have him?

947
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: He is my RB twenty one?

948
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So right there, he's two spots ahead of Henderson

949
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: based on what the way you've talked about it, Would

950
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: you rather have Henderson or do you see a gap there?

951
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: I've got a two gap between those two.

952
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: I mean I would rather have Bucky just for the

953
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: fact that I think.

954
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: There's a more stable floor there.

955
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: Again, I would expect him to have the most touches

956
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: between him and the other backs there, and the most

957
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: stable touches between him and Travon Henderson. So if you're

958
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: looking for the ceiling, play Traveon Henderson. I don't know

959
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: that in the context of the Bucky Irving offense that

960
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: we see with Tampa Bay that we're going to get

961
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: those massive thirty point games that we got out of

962
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson last year. But the floor is a lot

963
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: safer with Bucky Irving.

964
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: For sure, we got.

965
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: One more backfield.

966
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,160
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Speaker 4: This one.

1009
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious what you have to say on

1010
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I am something of agedarian price truther. I'm not saying

1011
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: that he's the best running back to enter the NFL

1012
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: and quite some time or anything like that. I'm not crazy,

1013
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: but I do think the runway here is just so clear.

1014
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: With Sharbonnay's injury and the timeline there. I'm very convinced

1015
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: that Seattle will, even when Sharbonay is ready to play again,

1016
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: which will be several weeks into the season at best,

1017
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: that they will want to kind of slow play him

1018
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: and make sure he's ready and fully kind of geared

1019
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: up for the playoffs. This is a team with obviously

1020
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl aspirations trying to repeat as opposed to caring

1021
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: about you know what Sharbonay does in November or anything

1022
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: like that. So just given how late the surgery was

1023
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: in late February, general timeline for how serious an injury

1024
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: this was, and the fact that they just spent a

1025
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: first round pick on Price, Like, I'm very bought into

1026
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: Price in twenty twenty six drafts.

1027
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: How do you see this backfield? Why did he make

1028
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: the list? For you?

1029
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: I have come around to the idea of Jidarian Price

1030
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: because I too.

1031
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: On the majority of the off season, was very much

1032
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: so looking at this timeline for sharbon like, there is

1033
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: no way it doesn't make logical sense for them for

1034
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: him to be ready week one. You would think exactly.

1035
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: Like you're saying that, we'd be looking at them not

1036
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: taking too aggressive of an approach. We know they're a

1037
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: super Bowl team, they want to make that push. You

1038
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: have the pieces in place to be able to just wait,

1039
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: not rush him along, and then hold him for your

1040
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 3: playoff push towards the super Bowl. And then they started

1041
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: using all of the could be ready for week one

1042
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: and it did kind of spook me a little bit,

1043
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 3: But it does seem at least now. Now, I will

1044
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: say this, going on the pup and training can't doesn't

1045
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: necessarily guarantee that you will be on the pup in

1046
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: regular season. We've seen multiple players do that, come off

1047
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: and be ready week one, but it does seem more

1048
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: inclined that they were just kind of hyping him up

1049
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: and that we should be on a more relaxed timeline

1050
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: in terms of him not being ready at the beginning

1051
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: of the season. And with that said, as long as

1052
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: we don't have an aggressive shift in ADP, I'm good

1053
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: with Jadarian Price because my fear was is that we

1054
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: would have the rookie hype around him.

1055
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: Right the first round pick.

1056
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: You're getting very excited and you push him up into

1057
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: the rankings to where you're taking an extreme amount of

1058
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: risk because at the end of the day, we do

1059
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 3: know that this is a very high volume run offense

1060
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: where theoretically you have to have multiple backs involved. The

1061
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: amount of touches in general that Zach Cherboney and Kenneth

1062
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: Walker had last season is physically not possible for one

1063
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: back to handle. So operating with the assumption that we

1064
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: would always have an additional back involved, but if Jadarian prices,

1065
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: ADP stays in that high end RB three range. I

1066
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: think we're getting a very nice discount on somebody who

1067
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: could be operating as a lead back for the majority

1068
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: of the season. The only issue we might run into

1069
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: is what if Zach Charbeney comes back into the Fantasy

1070
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: playoffs and then you have this situation of the ceiling

1071
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: is capped and cut down right, But that's a risk

1072
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: that you have have to take care. As long as

1073
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: we don't shoot up in the ADP, it's perfectly fine.

1074
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: I find it funny that when we talk about Traveon Henderson,

1075
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, people will tell you you don't need to

1076
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 3: be scared Overmandri Stevenson, you don't need to be scared.

1077
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: But when it comes to Jadarian Price, somehow we're supposed

1078
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: to see George Hallani as a threat. That one doesn't

1079
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: congruently make sense to me because we have actually seen

1080
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: Stevenson operate as an RB one. We have not seen

1081
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: any kind of significant usage out of George Halani. So

1082
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: we can hear all the positives that they love him,

1083
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: they believe in him, but at the end of the day,

1084
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: we have not seen that man operate as anything and

1085
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: even when he had to step in the playoffs after

1086
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: the injury to Zach Sharboney, it was not in any

1087
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: kind of role other than coming in on passing downs

1088
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: and having.

1089
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Some kind of checkdown work, right, not significant workload on

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00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: the ground. So while again Price is a rookie and they've.

1091
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: Tried to be, you know, very cautious in their wording,

1092
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: we're not going to overload him. You know, we'll have

1093
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: him on some special teams and this, this and that.

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00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the most talented back

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00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: on that roster that is going to be healthy in

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00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: week one is Jadarian Price. So I would expect it

1097
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: to be a fairly safe pick in terms of the

1098
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 3: early season usage. So as long as we don't get

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00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: camp HiPE pushing it up, I'm okay with investing in him.

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00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: You beat me through it.

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00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about George Hollani here, so

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00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: you already got that with covered.

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00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of operating.

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00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: As far as the whole notion of Sharbonay coming in

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00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: during the Fantasy playoffs and being a problem, I'm kind

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00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: of viewing it as like I'll worry about that when

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00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: we get to December. Like for now, if I think

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00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: Price has this great runway, and I know Sharbonay is

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00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: not going to be there for a half full of weeks,

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: maybe even longer than I'm like, I'm very willing to say, like,

1111
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: worry about that when the time gets here. Let's let

1112
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: Price get me to the playoffs and get me to

1113
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: that time when I can start worrying about it, which

1114
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: I think is really possible. And I also think we

1115
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: don't know how good of a player he is. I mean,

1116
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: he was behind this awesome player in Jeremiah Love in college,

1117
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: and so he didn't get the opportunity to show what

1118
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: he can do with the bigger workload.

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00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: I tend to think he'll.

1120
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: Be more on the scale of, you know, not as

1121
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: good as Jumior Gibbs, but like an early career Jamier Gibbs,

1122
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: where it's more we're hoping for efficiency in a smaller

1123
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: workload as opposed to you know, a guy who's a

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00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: true bell cow. But I mean, if let's say sharpa

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: Day is out for two months to start the year

1126
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: and Lani's not that good, like they're going to have

1127
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: to give the ball to Price a lot. I just

1128
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: don't see any way around it. So that really excites

1129
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: me and what that possibility could be. If he was

1130
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: going like RB seventeen, I'd feel a lot different RB

1131
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: twenty six.

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00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: I love it.

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00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm very in on that at that price. I do

1134
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that three of the names we've talked

1135
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: about today. A lot of these guys are in similar range,

1136
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: but three of them are back to back to back.

1137
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: That's base Shall Tuton is RB twenty five, Judeium Price

1138
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: RB twenty six, Jalen Warren R twenty twenty seven.

1139
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: Does that feel like the right order to you or

1140
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 4: would you shake that up at all?

1141
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: No, that's the exact order I have.

1142
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: I've got bachel Twoton twenty five, Price twenty six, and

1143
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 3: then one person gap of Tuba Hubbard and then Warren

1144
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: at twenty eight twenty eight.

1145
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, all in the same range for them

1146
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, I like Price. I think Price is

1147
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: fascinating in Dynasty. Honestly, that's the one where I'm like,

1148
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't really know what to do because I don't know, like,

1149
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: is Charbona there long term or is he leave? And

1150
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: then they they love spending day two picks on these guys,

1151
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Maybe they draft somebody else next year, Like, what does

1152
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: price look like here? Even if he has a great

1153
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: year with this, you know, opportunity, do you sell high?

1154
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: Like to me, dynasty is really interesting, but redraft I

1155
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: at current cost could change, but at current cost I

1156
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: definitely like price. Sharbona is RB forty six by the way,

1157
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: just for what it's worth. Like to me, I just like,

1158
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: injuries are going to find your team anyway. It's obviously

1159
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: not that it's he's that expensive. I'm just not that

1160
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: interested in wasting a pick on him and then just

1161
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: having him take up an IR spot for the first

1162
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: two months of the season, knowing that other guys are

1163
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: gonna need to take those spots eventually, and how much

1164
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: are they gonna use when he comes back. Just in

1165
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: the hope that you have a guy for the fantasy playoffs,

1166
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: I would let somebody else draft him, and then maybe

1167
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: if you get to October and he's been dropped, then

1168
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: maybe you pick him up off waivers or something like

1169
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: that later in the year if your team's looking good.

1170
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't really want to start the year with Sharpennay

1171
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: on my team. He'd have to be like like even

1172
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: if he was like the last pick of the draft,

1173
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm gonna value that IR slot

1174
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: unless you're gonna league with a ton of them, just

1175
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more than the potential upside for a

1176
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: guy who might not even be better than Price. I mean,

1177
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: there's a world where he is, but like there's also

1178
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: a world war. Price comes in and it's oh wow,

1179
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: now that we see him with a full opportunity to

1180
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: lead a backfield. This guy's actually awesome. That could happen.

1181
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: It just feels too risky for me to use a

1182
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: draft spot on Sharpenay. I'd much rather leave the IR

1183
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: spot open for somebody else to get hurt on my team.

1184
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that I was sitting here

1185
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: looking at my rankings and thinking.

1186
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 2: About we talked about Rodriguez earlier.

1187
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: Would you prefer Chris Rodriguez or Zach Sharbonay.

1188
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: Because Rodriguez you have a little bit more stability. With Sharbaday,

1189
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: you see the upside that could, like, especially when you

1190
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: get to December, be good in the playoffs. I think

1191
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: for me, i'd honestly probably just take Rodriguez, knowing that hey,

1192
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: maybe he could help me kind of stay afloat during

1193
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: some bye weeks. In the middle of the year, you know,

1194
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: survive other injuries. It's just if I felt like Sharbonay

1195
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: was gonna miss a month, then yeah, I could definitely

1196
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: make a strong case for him get just how late

1197
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: in the offseason his surgery was. Yeah, and the timeline

1198
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that there's no rush for Seattle to

1199
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: get him back, like they're gonna win a lot of

1200
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: games with this defense, regardless of whether or not Charbona

1201
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: is on the field. Like I for all of those reasons,

1202
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: I think I would go with Rodriguez and say, maybe

1203
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: he runs hot on touchdowns this year and it ends

1204
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: up working out well. But like they are very close

1205
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: in the rankings to your point, Rodriguez RB forty three,

1206
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: jerbon AARB forty six. I just think, like, knowing me,

1207
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the IR spot available.

1208
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense because I said earlier

1209
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: with Rodriguez, you know, capped upside because of the lack

1210
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: of receiving. But yeah, honestly you get that same kind

1211
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: of you know, sharbon Ay can catch, but we don't

1212
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: have prolific past catching going on there in terms of

1213
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 3: checkdowns for him. So yeah, I think kind of yeah,

1214
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: when you get into that range and you start looking

1215
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 3: at those guys. I think a Charbonay getting pushedback makes

1216
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: a lot of sense in what you're saying, So I

1217
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: agree with that.

1218
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: I like that take.

1219
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 4: Let's end on some agreement. We'll go ahead and wrap

1220
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: things up there.

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