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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, party people,

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Speaker 1: that's your boy, Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday May five.

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Speaker 1: Hope everybody had a joyous May fourth. You've got the

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Speaker 1: Star Wars jokes out of your system. Then last night

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Speaker 1: you watched a little NBA action, which we'll get too shortly,

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Speaker 1: but I gotta tease our guest today, um NFL reporter

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler from ESPN. He he's kind of risen in

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Speaker 1: He's pretty meteoric rise from you know, like a team

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Speaker 1: is the guy who covered Bret Farvin Minnesota, Johnny Football

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Speaker 1: stories about all of them. It's good stuff. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this, Andrew Luck retired early from

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Speaker 1: the Colts, and the Colts didn't make him payback twenty

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Speaker 1: because remember Aaron Rodgers, if he goes through with this

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Speaker 1: Andrew Lux, you know, twenty four million dollar parachute payment,

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Speaker 1: playoffs a bunch of times. Aaron Rodgers has done much

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Speaker 1: First of all, this news that Lebron is gonna miss

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Speaker 1: both big games this week, the Thursday night game against

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Speaker 1: the Blazers not ideal. Not ideal for the Lakers chances

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Speaker 1: of avoiding that playing game. That being said, I think

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Speaker 1: Lebron and his team sometimes fade late. They don't really care.

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Speaker 1: They're disinterested. The playoffs matter. Okay, Bucks Nets was an

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Speaker 1: interesting game and result, folks, Just so you know, the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets tried really really hard to win that game.

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Speaker 1: They want the number one seed. If you are, the

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Speaker 1: top three teams in the East by far are the Sixers,

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Speaker 1: the Nets, and the Bucks. Two of those will have

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Speaker 1: to meet in the second round. Whoever gets the number

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Speaker 1: So if the Sixers get that number one seed and

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Speaker 1: they're now up one and a half games thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Nets loss in Milwaukee, UM, and the Nets tried hard. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Katie played forty minutes, scored thirty two points. Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 1: I mean, they just had too much offense. Janics got

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Speaker 1: and I don't care about that sty irrelevant. The big story,

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Speaker 1: Bradley Beale earlier in the season was so bitter with

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Speaker 1: just shift his ass out of town Clippers. Long way

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Speaker 1: Without further adode, let's get to Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: Meyer in Florida. Jeremy Fowler from ESPN, Jeremy, how are you, man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Jameson, Thanks for having me. I think the

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Speaker 1: He seems really engaged. So if you get offered that job,

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Speaker 1: you don't take any contact, you make ten million a

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Speaker 1: year or whatever it is. Um, that would be a

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Speaker 1: a paid decrease for him. But um, you know, certainly

426
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Speaker 1: I could see it the packers. I don't know, that's

427
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Speaker 1: a lot of money to just let him keep for

428
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Speaker 1: just a couple of years. I mean, we saw Calvin

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Detroit. Now that was a little ugly. He

430
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Speaker 1: had a couple of years left on his deal. They

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Speaker 1: made a payback some of the signing bonus, and it's

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Speaker 1: been very tenuous even since then. So they're just starting

433
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Speaker 1: to now reconcile. This would be even uglier because they

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Speaker 1: already he had friction and then they asked for more money.

435
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: That would be you might be onto something. Maybe they

436
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Speaker 1: wouldn't ask her that money. I'm I'm curious did you

437
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Speaker 1: happen to know a ballpark on the Calvin Johnson number?

438
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: Because I've had forgotten that one. I think it was

439
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: only a few million left. But it's like, you know

440
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: that that signing bonus pro rates. So whatever deal he

441
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Speaker 1: had done, it was a six year deal and he

442
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: had some left on it, but it was it might

443
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: have only been like a million or two. I don't

444
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: think it was a massive number, but it's like, come on, really,

445
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Speaker 1: I produced for you. I'm a Hall of Fame guy,

446
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna ask me to pay back like money

447
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: that you probably don't need. Um, But in this case,

448
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: that's a big signing bonus. UM. Plus, they just gave

449
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: him a six point eight million dollar roster bonus. So

450
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: there are a lot of dynamics here. Employ Or if

451
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: he walked away, you know, it's convenient for him to

452
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: say I want to walk away because it applies pressure

453
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: on them now and that's part of his leverage. Uh.

454
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Speaker 1: You you covered a bunch of good quarterbacks in the NFL.

455
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, Uh, Aaron Rodgers, Brett far I'm just curious.

456
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, Roethlisberger's near the end, and in this offseason

457
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Speaker 1: I thought Pittsburgh. You know they didn't they didn't have

458
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Speaker 1: a plan, bat, they didn't make a move really in

459
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: free agency. I'm not counting Haskins. Um, where are you on,

460
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: big Big Ben? Do you think? I mean, is this

461
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: it for him? His wants on? Probably? So he's thirty nine, Yeah,

462
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: and he's got I mean, you know, when you take

463
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Speaker 1: a five million dollar salary cut, I don't care how

464
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Speaker 1: you slice it. Um. Even if he's helping the team,

465
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: which is good on him to do that, but like

466
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Speaker 1: you know, that's always a bad sign. That's always a

467
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Speaker 1: sign of declining play. If he had a monster year,

468
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have asked him to do that. Um. So

469
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Speaker 1: you know, he goes from nine to fourteen million. It's

470
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Speaker 1: a pay cut. It is what it is. So you

471
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Speaker 1: have to think that his declining play. Anytime a guy

472
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Speaker 1: takes one, it's it's near the end. Um. You know

473
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Speaker 1: that said, they felt like he could still do enough,

474
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Speaker 1: if they could get him more of a running game.

475
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Speaker 1: They feel like, okay, maybe we have something for one

476
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Speaker 1: more year. Catch lighting in a bottle, maybe get in

477
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Makes a noise and then you reassess. But

478
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Speaker 1: you know, I think they're thinking in two thousand twenty

479
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: two they can then they can not necessarily blow it up,

480
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Speaker 1: but look harder at quarterback options. But this is another franchise.

481
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: They're not like They're like the Packers. They're they're very conventional.

482
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: You know. They got Dwayne Haskins, which Mike Tomlin always

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: liked his talent. I think they said, hey, let's let's

484
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Speaker 1: get him in our building for a year. Maybe we

485
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Speaker 1: can sort of juvenate him a little bit, you knowing,

486
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Speaker 1: knowing the talents there. And they signed Mason Rudolph to

487
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Speaker 1: a contract extension. People with debate whether he's the answer not,

488
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: but they do still like him. They had a high

489
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Speaker 1: grade on him in the draft. They think, hey, maybe

490
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Speaker 1: in twenty two at least have him under contract. He

491
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Speaker 1: could start a few games as a one year bridge guy.

492
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Jeremy, why I just started thinking about this.

493
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Speaker 1: Why are ending so ugly at quarterback? I mean, listen,

494
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Speaker 1: in the NBA, it happens, you know. I tell people

495
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Speaker 1: like Patrick Ewing didn't end up with the Knicks at

496
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Speaker 1: the end of his career, a Larjah One ended up

497
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Speaker 1: with the Raptors. Like this kind of thing happens sometimes

498
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: but in the NFL, Like, it's just weird when you

499
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Speaker 1: see Joe Montana in a Chiefs jersey. You know, Peyton

500
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: played a few years in Denver, Um, tom Brady and Tampa,

501
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: but between four I can't see Roethlisberger playing anywhere else.

502
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: He he looks shot. At the end of the season.

503
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: In the playoff game, he was bad. Um. I don't know,

504
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: It's just I can't imagine Aaron Rodgers putting on a

505
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos jersey. That just is a tough one for me.

506
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I know it. It's it goes down to like all

507
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: these players, or most of them, you know, they feel

508
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Speaker 1: like they can still do it for more time, whether

509
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: they can or not. Tom Brady could, some others could not,

510
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: And so when you can, it gets ugly and you

511
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: get forced out. Um. Yeah, I mean I'm trying to

512
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: think of Rodgers in any other jersey. Uh, and Denver's

513
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: really the only place that makes sense. Yeah, the Raiders.

514
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Speaker 1: Apparently the Raiders. Some reporter claimed that there was interest.

515
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Speaker 1: I don't. Rogers doesn't seem like a Vegas guy. Him

516
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: and Gruden seem like oil and water, like or oil

517
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: and oil. I don't never makes a ton of sense,

518
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Speaker 1: it really does. They got a new GM that that's

519
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: really well respected. They got a ton and he's collaborative,

520
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: which Rogers obviously wants a ton of weapons. Three good receivers,

521
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: good defense. Like it makes a lot of sense. And

522
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Speaker 1: I think I think Rogers would take pride and trying

523
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Speaker 1: to beat myhomes every year and like, you know, being

524
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Speaker 1: in that same division. Um. But yeah, it's just it's

525
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: these teams. It's calculated, you know. It's all about the

526
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: money and the performance. And if a player, however great

527
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: he's been, doesn't match that, it rarely ends well unless

528
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: you just kind of ride into a Super Bowl sunset,

529
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Speaker 1: which Peyton Manning and John Elway did, but not very

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Speaker 1: Meyer is back. Is in back coach again. He's in

535
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Speaker 1: the NFL. And I don't want to say the media

536
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: gave him a pass at Ohio State, but I feel like,

537
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to give you too much credit

538
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to but when he was at Florida, I feel like

539
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: you and other reporters kind of held his feet to

540
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: the fire back when the Gators had a bunch of

541
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: off field stuff. Um, I'm curious how you think urban

542
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: Meyer will transition to the NFL. So it's that's interesting

543
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: because I we're to what I think Urban might actually show,

544
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: uh and reveal more than he has or or has

545
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: been given credit for. Honestly, is the football acumen. I

546
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: do think he's wired like a Bill Belichick or Kyle Shanahan.

547
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's at their schematic level, but he

548
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: might be pretty close. Like he knows all twenty two

549
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: positions exactly, every nuance of how they should step, where

550
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: they should be. You know, how the left guard should

551
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: shade on a run blocking player. He's really pretty brilliant

552
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: with that step. So I think he might actually show

553
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: a little bit where he didn't get a lot of

554
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: credit because it's like the spread offense and oh, you

555
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: just have a bunch of five star guys at Ohio

556
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: State and you can you can maul people. But um,

557
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: he's actually pretty good at that stuff. So I think

558
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: he could scheme his way into some wins. Um. But

559
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: you know the problem is there, you know, I mean,

560
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty short on talent. He saw in the draft.

561
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: They just had to get whatever they good at every position.

562
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, corner, safety, linebacker, Like the

563
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: whole defense is pretty pretty thin. So if it doesn't

564
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: go well early on. And plus we don't know how

565
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna handle losing because he's never had to lose,

566
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: and when he does lose, he's shown maybe he hasn't

567
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: handled the best at Florida with with you know, retiring

568
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: and coming back and retiring again. So that's the question

569
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: is you know, how how long can he sustain it? Um?

570
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: What's the shelf life for an urban Meyer era? Is

571
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: it five years? Um? That seems to be you know

572
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: the kind of the case, five or six years. So yeah,

573
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: Jim Harball like right, kind of yeah. I mean that's

574
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: been the m O so Um. But I think schematically

575
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: held actually be pretty good. Um. I think he understands

576
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: like I gotta be hands off, like I can't be Mr.

577
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: Intensity all the time. Like I think he gets that. Um.

578
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: But you know, you're if you're taking a running back

579
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: in the first round saying Travis is gonna be a

580
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: third down back, Like I'm trying to figure out what

581
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: his plan is, or if he's naive, or if he

582
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: actually has a master plan and we don't understand yet.

583
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he was just saying that to play Kate the

584
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: undrafted kid Robinson who had a really good year, although

585
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: I think he might suppressing. Honestly, well, I'm bullish on

586
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: the Jacks. I guess Jeremy my question, Like in Columbus,

587
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: he was, you know, the biggest deal in Ohio. If

588
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: he talked about a presidential race, like people would react.

589
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: He's kind of hidden in Jacksonville. It's kind of not

590
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: a big NFL market, you could argue as the smallest.

591
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: They have to play every year there in London. Um

592
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: is will he be kind of protected being in one

593
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: of those small markets in kind of a bad division

594
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: or will the spotlight of Trevor Lawrence, who you know

595
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: should be an incredible NFL player, or will that just

596
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: bring a lot of attention regardless of the market. I

597
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely protected. I mean, Dave called well, the

598
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: GM lasted a long time. I don't remember the exact years,

599
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of losing seasons and he

600
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: did some good things and made some you know, some

601
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: good trades. And got some good players. They had that

602
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: one playoff year where they they almost got to the

603
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: super Bowl. But Doug Maron Dave called ball lasted longer

604
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. They would have been New York with that

605
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: same scenario with the games they lost. So I do

606
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: think the leash is longer. I do think you can

607
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: hide a little bit there because of the market. It's

608
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: clearly a number thirty two, uh, thirty one or thirty

609
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: two as far as interest, and so you know, that

610
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: can kind of help you a little bit. So you know,

611
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I think I think that he probably welcomes that at

612
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: this point, knowing that if you win games, people will care,

613
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: and if you lose games, like you know, you can

614
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: at least work your way through it a little bit

615
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: until I want to quickly go to Cleveland. So you

616
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: did get to cover the Johnny Manziel experience. First of all,

617
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: did you have to move to Cleveland for that? What

618
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: was that like? And then you know, second of all, like, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess I like the Browns a lot

620
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: like your rationally, So I think you can make an

621
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: argument they have arguably the second best roster in the

622
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Speaker 1: a f C. That's how stacked they are. I'm sure

623
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Ravens fans would disagree. Um, but I just, I guess

624
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: talk about Cleveland where they were with you and Menzela

625
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: and then where they are now. Yeah. So I was

626
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: in Minnesota covering the Vikings and I moved to Cleveland

627
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: in two fourteen to cover the Browns. No. No, I

628
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: was in Chicago in between there doing college football. But

629
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Speaker 1: then I moved to Cleveland, says Johnny's first year, and

630
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: they were they were like seven and four with Brian

631
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Speaker 1: Hoyer and like Andrew Hawkins and like all those guys,

632
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Cameron at tight end, like they were just somehow

633
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Speaker 1: winning games. Um. And then it just all fell apart

634
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: and they put Johnny in and he was just woefully

635
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: up paired, like and then the stories that were pouring

636
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: out of there, like it was just every worst case

637
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: scenario of Manzil amplified by ten, Like it was just

638
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: a complete mess of just how you know, his life

639
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: was in disarray. Um, And so it was. It was interesting.

640
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: I only covered that team for a year and then

641
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: ESPN movie to the Steelers and then I eventually moved

642
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. But it was, yeah, it was a different times,

643
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: it's a very like they were still trying to figure

644
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: it out. You had a new owner who was Jimmy

645
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Haslm who was kind of all over the place and

646
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: just throwing darts on the wall trying to figure it out.

647
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Now they have figured it out, but at the time,

648
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, you had I remember over here on one

649
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: of the funniest lines I heard, and it told me like,

650
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: this is probably a bad sign in Cleveland. Is they

651
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: beat the Bengals to go I think six and four,

652
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: so they were on top of the ANFC North the

653
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: first time in a long time. And then I heard

654
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: some executives coming out of the locker room afterward and

655
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: they were high five and hugging each other, and then

656
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: one of them goes, We're going to Vegas, baby, really loud,

657
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: all media around, and I'm like, you know, what these

658
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: guys are is not, Like the football culture is just

659
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: not What is that executive still in the NFL Jeremy

660
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: uh No, at least one of them is not. But

661
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: like they just you know what I mean, Like the

662
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: stereotypes of Cleveland were like, yeah, they're just not ready.

663
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna fumble this, and they did. That's what happened.

664
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: But um, now it's way different, and you're right, they're

665
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: they're absolutely loaded. Um. I mean I think they have

666
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: like ten new starters on defense, or ten guys who

667
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: could start or had started last year on their defense

668
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: between injury and free agency and the draft, or you know,

669
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: like capable starters in the draft. So there. I mean,

670
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: the pressure is gonna be on defensive coordinator Joe Woods

671
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: to get it done. He wanted help. He didn't have

672
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: a lot of it last year. Now he does. Yeah. Um,

673
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if memory serves Johnny football, Like I

674
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: didn't show up at a Saturday practice. They couldn't find him.

675
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: It turns out he had like a raging KEG party.

676
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember covering that? Covering that? Yes,

677
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly what the party was. I

678
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: don't recall that, Um, but I know like security had

679
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: to go to his house and find him, and and

680
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: then when they did, you know he was he didn't play.

681
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I think you know he was he was on. He

682
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: was out for that game anyway because he had gotten

683
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: hurt like a hamstring. That's right, he's missing the final game.

684
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: But they essentially had to suspend them and then they

685
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't good. But were there a lot

686
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: of guys on the team hanging with him at the

687
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: at the part? I mean, was it based on the

688
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: culture issue some but like he hung out with Josh

689
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Gordon some um and then obviously Josh had his problems,

690
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: but they've and then so yeah, I think some teammates

691
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: hung out with him here there. I mean, he was

692
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: very well light. He just he just wasn't ready at

693
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: that stage, you know what I mean, like you just

694
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: showed up and didn't do the plays and stuff like that.

695
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: And I guess I should wrap up asking about another

696
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: guy who um is kind of you know, small ish

697
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: white quarterback who looked very I don't want to say immature,

698
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: but just looked young at the draft. Uh, And that

699
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson of my jets. Um, I will say, you

700
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: watch the highlight reel and Zach Wilson looks like he's

701
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: making the place, and you read, oh he's got the

702
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: quick twitch stuff of my home it there's a if

703
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: you squint, you can see a little Aaron Rodgers and

704
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I'm so excited and optimistic

705
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: because we haven't had a franchise quarterback with the Jets

706
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: and forever. But I don't know, like, where are you

707
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: on Zach Wilson? What are you hearing? So, I mean,

708
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny and this is a small majority,

709
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: but I didn't talk to enough people around the league

710
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: that thought, like if if the hype around Trevor Lawrence

711
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: hadn't built for three years and Zach Wilson might actually

712
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: make a compelling case for number one, like among a

713
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: small majority, like maybe ten to fift percent um. But

714
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I've talked to a few enough respective people are like,

715
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I think you at least make it interesting, Like if

716
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I was picking number one, I would at least think

717
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: about it, because it's the it's like the maybe it's

718
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: just the Aaron Rodgers bias. Everybody wants that the wild

719
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: throws and all the off platform throws and all that.

720
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: But he really is highly highly skilled at that to

721
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: the point where teams are like, man, you could really

722
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: create with this guy. It's like Steph or what like,

723
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: you know when you think of like the creativity of

724
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: the game and what you can do and making plays

725
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: on the run and all that. So Trevor is the

726
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: total Trevor's the total package, he's a better prospect, but

727
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: Zack ceiling because of that. You know, now granted he

728
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: was teams are concerned that, like, Okay, the bodywork is small,

729
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: he didn't play anybody, and he's thrown and he's got

730
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: an ocean of a pocket. It's not even a pocket.

731
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: It's like just it's got nobody around him and he

732
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: can just make the throw cleanly. So you know, how

733
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: does he react to that? We don't know, like how

734
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: does he handle pressure? All those things? But I mean,

735
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: I think it became really clear very early on in

736
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: the draft process that he would be number two. Like,

737
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't like something that the team had

738
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: to debate. Everybody just knew Zach was the second best. Yeah,

739
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: it's weird. Like Aaron Rodgers, you think back to his

740
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: time at Cal, you know, two year starter, put up

741
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: monster numbers, was no doubt an awesome, awesome talent, But

742
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: like Zack, Wilson didn't go into last season as the

743
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: definite starter at b y U E to like win

744
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: the job because the previous years he had been hurt.

745
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: Like what what's your confidence level in a guy who

746
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: has shown it again for one year in a COVID year.

747
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to say there's a little

748
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: zach Levine to borrow an NBA name, Like Zach Levine

749
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: looked has looked incredible this year, but like half the

750
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: league is hurting, you know, like it's just an awkward

751
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: year in the NBA. What what if this is just

752
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: a weird year in college football? Because Jeremy be honest, like,

753
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: had anybody mentioned the name Zach Wilson to you before

754
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: last college football season? Yeah? Not until I remember like

755
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: hearing from a few agents that were like study quarterbacks,

756
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: like you got watch after this kid, but it was

757
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: more like underground at that point. It wasn't really Um yeah,

758
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: he definitely was not known before the game one of

759
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: the season, like it was sort of you kind of

760
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: had to search them out. But then like the moment

761
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: he started throwing the ball and they had a few

762
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: Thursday night games or whatever, it was like they had

763
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: just enough nationally televised action where you get to see

764
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: him live. Um, and and the buzz grew really fast

765
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: after that. Um, you know, but and I think teams

766
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: knew about him that You're right, it was like the

767
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: shoulder injury and you know, there's some questions and um,

768
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, and I think the COVID season helped him, right,

769
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Like there it was a weird year and there weren't

770
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: probably enough storylines that there normally wouldn't be with some

771
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: of the pageant trade schools. So it's like, okay, who's

772
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: this kid? And he got more played than maybe he

773
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: would have. Yeah, it's weird. I looked at the draft.

774
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to bore you with who's good. Um,

775
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: it's all a projection. But everybody wants to find the

776
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, the Kyler Murray, uh, the Joe Burrow, the

777
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: guy who comes out of nowhere has a monster year

778
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: and becomes like an early pick. But let's be kind

779
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: of honest. And I mean, but it's not like Burrow

780
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: one much. In his first year he looked pretty good.

781
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: But like it's it's good one thing to do it

782
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: in college, but then to do in the NFL. Like

783
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: we see the turnover, like Whence gone, golf gone, Like

784
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this maybe this is the new cycle?

785
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: You know, teams make a run with the quarterback, but

786
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: when it comes time to pay him, we're gonna start

787
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: to cycle over, let's build around the rookie quarterback. Yeah,

788
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: that's been talked about by a number of teams, Like

789
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: do we start the draft a guy every three years

790
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: even if we have a star? Right, Like let's say

791
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: h Allen's probably bad example because I think he's like

792
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: becoming a top guy. But let's say the Bill said, Okay, well,

793
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: you know we can't pay that guy and still feel

794
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: a competitive team under the salary cap constraints, So let's

795
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: just draft another guy, no matter how will Alan played. Now,

796
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is going to pay him and he's

797
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: the guy, But teams are at leased talking about that

798
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: model now, UM, Like Russell Wilson in Seattle, you know

799
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: they've had their problems. Uh, you know, Russell wants more

800
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: help and he's getting it this offseason. They've tried, you know,

801
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: and I think they're in a better place. But I

802
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: think Seattle was like, how much can we do with

803
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: this contract? You know it's it's a big number. Um,

804
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I think all you know, Kirk Cousins is a forty

805
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: five million dollar cap hit in UM. Now the dead

806
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: salary cap money is the same amount. So maybe it's

807
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: a wash if you move on. But like Yeah, these

808
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: are the numbers are so outrageous and at the at

809
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: the c b A last year and they're negotiating that,

810
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: um the I know the NFL wanted a sort of

811
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: like max slot, kind of like in the NBA. They

812
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: talked about him, like, you know, you can set aside

813
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: cap for one player, which would basically be a quarterback rule,

814
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: right because every all the quarterbacks were the highest paid. Yes,

815
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: and the players wouldn't go for it for obvious reasons.

816
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, they don't want to a competitive and balance.

817
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: But that was the league was trying to get in

818
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: front of that. And now that they have ten more

819
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: years of ballooning quarterback money, but the cap is sort

820
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: of what it is, and you're trying to manage and

821
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: sign ten other stars like they're wondering did we just

822
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: keep drafting rookies? Like That's definitely a conversation point. I'll

823
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: get you out of here on this. I did have

824
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: someone in the league when I kept saying I would

825
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: never pay Dak forty mail, I would never pay him

826
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: forty someone texted me like, Jay, the cap is gonna

827
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: be going up, Like this is gonna be the new

828
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: normal in three years. Dax deal is not gonna look bad.

829
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: The cap is gonna keep going up and I and

830
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that people think it's gonna

831
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: keep going up in perpetuity, that oh, CAP's gonna go

832
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: up twenty mil and then thirty Like can this be?

833
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Can this continue to happen in the league? May be,

834
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: it's not an issue. I don't know. Yeah, I mean

835
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: the forecasts are big, for sure, So it's difficult right now.

836
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be easier three years from now. And

837
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: that's why Dad wanted a four year deal and he

838
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't do five years. Even the year before when they

839
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: were negotiating, he wouldn't do that because he saw this

840
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, kind of windfall coming. He wants to do

841
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: the four years and then get back on it and

842
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: get a new deal at fifty million or whatever it's

843
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's gonna be crazy, but um, those numbers

844
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: are gonna keep going up to so it's still gonna

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Speaker 1: be a challenge for some of these teams. Now, Like

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Speaker 1: I know, teams like to hide behind the salary cap

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Speaker 1: has this big problem and they can usually get around

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Speaker 1: it anyways, But there's still a question like how many stars.

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Speaker 1: Can you pay right now? Right? Like and seven? Maybe

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Speaker 1: like seven veterans on what are the Rams have? Like four?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean Stafford Ramsey, Uh, Aaron Donald. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just three Leonard Floyd. Um, oh that's right, Leonard Floyd. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess if you're right, you can you can try

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Speaker 1: that strategy. I like how the Rams are getting creative

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Speaker 1: right though. They're trying something that nobody else is trying.

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Speaker 1: Like I give them points for that. Yeah, no first

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Speaker 1: round picks in like twenty eight years or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. Yeah, I mean I actually

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Speaker 1: joked a less neat about that because I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: you guys are getting a mansion for your draft party.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have a first round pick, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of it shows that they're independent, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I kind of like that. And

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Speaker 1: he said, yeah, we're not trying to uh we respect

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Speaker 1: to everybody does their job. We don't have all the answers.

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Speaker 1: We're just trying some new stuff that we think's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to hit on our day two picks

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Speaker 1: and hit on her home grown talent and pay the

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Speaker 1: stars and then you know, if we don't have first

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Speaker 1: round picks as a result, that's okay. Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: the kid to to at well, um real tiny guy,

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Speaker 1: but McVeigh will probably scheme him up like Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: or something. Right, they got him and de Sewan now

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Speaker 1: I mean they got too I forgot about him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they got speed. Yeah that's what they needed to They

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Speaker 1: needed burners, and they had Matt Stafford with the cannon

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Speaker 1: right just unloading if he can get protection. So all right,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler ESPN, great stuff as always, Jeremy, thanks a

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Speaker 1: lot for the time and keep up the good work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jason YouTube man, appreciate having me