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Speaker 1: of the OTP. We are still here in Indianapolis. We're

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland. Now, Cynthia Freeland, you have seen on NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: You've seen her do all kinds of analytics and tell

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Speaker 1: you who to put in your fantasy football lineup, or

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Speaker 1: who you should be making bets on, or why someone

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Speaker 1: ran really faster or jump super high. She is one

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Speaker 1: of the smartest people that we know and we are

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Speaker 1: so excited whenever we get the chance to talk to

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Speaker 1: her and wow. Her insights, well they're just amazing. So

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Speaker 1: this is our conversation with NFL Networks Cynthia Freeland. All right,

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Friedland from NFL Network. We are so happy to

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Speaker 1: have you here.

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Speaker 3: Always good to hang out with you.

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Speaker 1: Always our favorite conversation because you have such a unique perspective.

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Speaker 2: Or weird I think that happens here.

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Speaker 3: No, you're weird.

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Speaker 2: It is not weird. It's exciting.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there's so many cool things about

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Speaker 1: what you do, the way that you are able to

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Speaker 1: approach events, even like this here at the combine, where

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of data, a lot of information coming

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Speaker 3: Fake and send this one though, But we just need

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Speaker 3: to figure.

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Speaker 2: Out what it all means. Not a lot, not a lot.

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Speaker 3: If they've already done the things that mean the most.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but still there are numbers that we are

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Speaker 1: researching that need to be ingested and communicated.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you're here for.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So when you're looking at all the prospects, especially

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Speaker 4: so it will be interesting as well. None of these drills.

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Speaker 4: It's all about range as coach. I'm I'm looking to you.

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Speaker 4: Make sure keep me honest here, but all I will absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Let me just say this. What you do is really good.

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Speaker 3: See I told you it's so much right there.

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Speaker 5: It's legit. It is legit, and people that really want

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Speaker 5: to open up their minds about what this is because

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've been doing this for a long time

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Speaker 5: and it's different. It's different, but it's relevant.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. So go ahead and try really hard on that.

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Speaker 4: Because the point is is like, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: ways you could say the same thing, right, and there's

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Speaker 4: Like that's not how it works, Like it's you know,

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Speaker 4: what's your strategy?

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Speaker 3: Do you you know the Super Bowl is a place, right?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to give Patrick Mahomes the ball back

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Speaker 4: ninety yards with your defense? If you're the egos, that's

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Speaker 4: the cat and I'm not the one making that decision.

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Speaker 4: But that's the way to look at the that's the

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Speaker 4: But don't there's no analytics. Say who is the analytics?

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Speaker 3: Do these fifteen interviews? Talk to it like it's a

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Speaker 4: Are you hurt like all, you just kind of want

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Speaker 5: Well, let me let me just say this. I know

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Speaker 4: He told me nothing, what I could do whatever be

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Speaker 5: Well, hearney, it's good that he owes you money because

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Speaker 4: It, sir, sir, My student loans are still being paid.

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Speaker 4: But no, but but but that's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: This is not a very strong O line class. I

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Speaker 1: What's interesting with this for the Tennessee Titans where we're sitting,

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Speaker 3: Is that Travis Hunter better be in your team because

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's your guy. I mean, yes, I don't want

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Speaker 4: I'm draft I Alrea did a mock draft and I

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Speaker 4: was like, you must take him, okay, and you must

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Speaker 4: make him play wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: We're going to ask you about that.

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Speaker 7: You need to see this mock draft for everybody watching

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Speaker 7: the YOURTP that loves mox Cynthia has a different level

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Speaker 7: in this thing because her mox Cynthia Freeland dot com

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Speaker 7: and fl dot com on YouTube, the Numbers game and

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Speaker 7: her caveats are no trades, and then there's also the

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Speaker 7: free agency part of this that's factored in. And so

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Speaker 7: it's no secret you have told us Travis Hunter is

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Speaker 7: the pick that you had for the Titans at one.

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Speaker 4: Why yes, well, number one. The number of snaps that

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Speaker 4: he's basically played two college full college seasons in one season,

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Speaker 4: increasingly more important. So this guy's played the stamina and

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Speaker 4: He really doesn't get the level of fatigue. I don't

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Speaker 2: On board with robots, pretty sure, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But he does not lose the speed.

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Speaker 4: The change of direction speed is one of the first

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Speaker 4: like he's I don't even I'm not sure what he's eating.

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Speaker 4: It's good right, but but ultimately he's a really special player.

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Speaker 4: And no shade against quarterbacks, I have no you know,

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Speaker 3: I want everyone to be good.

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Speaker 4: I would love every all thirty two teams to be

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Speaker 4: It's really hard to evaluate these two specific quarterbacks. To me,

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Speaker 4: and he ranks like he would be fourth in last

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Speaker 5: I'm so glad to hear you say that. Yes, I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but times four now that you've mentioned that, it could,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're dialed in when you don't have a

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Speaker 5: Used to could you know when I was evaluating Jake

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Speaker 5: Arizona State to look at it. You have all these

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Speaker 3: It makes it like the variance goes from here to there.

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Speaker 4: And you know what else it really messes up. That's

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Speaker 3: I dare you?

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Speaker 3: Well, hello, Like they just don't do that anymore.

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Speaker 4: a different quarterback or it's a different this where they

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Speaker 4: have too many players moving team to team. Sore the

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Speaker 4: can do this. You have to keep it simple.

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Speaker 1: This makes so much sense, though. Think about the young

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Speaker 1: Think about where they've struggled. Just think in your brain,

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Speaker 1: Because these are advanced concepts in football. We're not flashing

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Speaker 3: I'm an adult.

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Speaker 6: Treat me as such.

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Speaker 3: And they look at you like this.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's much harder to learn.

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Speaker 5: Real money didn't come in until you were in this lead.

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Speaker 5: Now they've got real money. If they're really a dude,

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I would have bought when I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and probably that's good things a lot when you

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Speaker 4: I'm my new like my think my next iteration of

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Speaker 3: This is where Russ Oh, no, my bank account.

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Speaker 4: I don't need another degree, but I'd like to take

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Speaker 4: you know, technology, and like where we are right now,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to factor that. It's very hard to.

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Speaker 7: Cynthia, I'm so glad you said that because I wrote

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Speaker 3: In your opinion, I think it's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: So to me, in general, the good information in good

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Speaker 4: So it's about figuring out where where am I missing?

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Speaker 4: What hole am I missing? And how can data help

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Speaker 4: make me ten percent better? You don't need to go

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent, right, Like if you're if you were

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Speaker 3: Your thing and whatever. So yeah, I'll stop talking about

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Speaker 5: But yeah, no, no, but that that let me ask

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Speaker 5: when Russ funded all of yours, all Rush funded all.

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Speaker 3: Of America come in your way, Yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 5: Have you have you experienced or do you feel any

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Speaker 5: See that's great.

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Speaker 4: Look, the thing about Rest that I liked was he

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Speaker 3: But to teach you how to bluff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they need a outside perspective on run a

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Speaker 4: Just interesting stuffing, like, be a little different with it,

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Speaker 5: Because see just the way you talk. If people would

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Speaker 4: You, then they get their butt kicks by it. Well,

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: In two thousand and eight, I got a chance to

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Speaker 4: You rule things out instead of like the offense gets

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Speaker 5: Say it did stop right there. That's exactly how you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 5: Don't defeat the block. Get ahead of the block.

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Speaker 3: It's angles. Everything is angles.

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Speaker 5: But but you have to know what's come ye see this? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we could talk for I love it.

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Speaker 4: And my favorite part about like I loved being in

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Speaker 4: those rooms number one watching film in the dark with

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Speaker 4: the cowboy clicker, with the snacks. It's like the end swearing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there needs to do some good curse words in there,

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Speaker 4: Like that's really like I love LA. Of course I

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Speaker 4: got on air, oh yeah, certain Indianapolis GM on air

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Speaker 4: on ESPN went after me hard, and I held it

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Speaker 4: in until I got to the green room and I

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Speaker 4: was like, dang, and we and we've since made up.

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Speaker 3: But he's a that that that one's that one's real

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Speaker 3: quick for.

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Speaker 5: The OT people. When I first when I when I

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Speaker 5: stepped out of coaching and got it in broadcasting. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I came and these two actually and Amy, they came

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Speaker 5: to me and said, coach back after they were scared

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Speaker 5: of me for a while loud, but then they and

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Speaker 5: then they they came and said, could.

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Speaker 6: You teach us a little bit?

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Speaker 5: So for one whole off season three hours a day.

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Speaker 5: I said, look, I don't need to practice my coaching.

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Speaker 5: I will as long as you'll take notes. And we're

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Speaker 5: gonna And I made Amy run the Cowboy clicker and

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Speaker 5: I would you know, I would just I would drill

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Speaker 5: her and I look over there and she got tears

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Speaker 5: coming to our rise. She said, I'm just so nervous.

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Speaker 5: I said, stop being nervous and start being productive.

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Speaker 2: I think what I said is I'm doing my best.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, it was great because and I could just

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Speaker 5: see you that, yeah, I can take it all. Just

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Speaker 5: I want to learn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I I was very amenable. I also like,

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Speaker 4: I'm good with being wrong as long as I have

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Speaker 4: a good reason for being wrong. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to be like, so why is the

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Speaker 4: sky blue? Like that's stupid question asking, but like there

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Speaker 4: are stupid questions.

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Speaker 3: Right but there.

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Speaker 4: But but like if you say, like you know, hey, coach,

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Speaker 4: what happened on play forty three? I don't understand this, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they will tell you because they're like, I'm like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. The safety looked like it is here? Is

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Speaker 4: it a false levergy?

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Speaker 3: What what is this? And look like now he actually

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Speaker 3: just read this wrong?

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Speaker 5: So now people, now people. My whole point of this

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Speaker 5: is now people are more receptive.

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Speaker 3: They are okay, yes.

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Speaker 7: Yes, less dismissive. Dismissive is what? Yes, I know there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of people some visceral, but I think it

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Speaker 7: sounds like they were dismissive, like man, whatever that.

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Speaker 4: Is, Yeah, dismissive, But also like they they're like, how

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Speaker 4: can someone who's never played know anything about it? And listen,

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Speaker 4: don't let this, don't let this uh exterior fool you.

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Speaker 3: I would have been a mean safety.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, as coach Mack would say, this was what

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Speaker 7: a coach would say, is like she has no water

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Speaker 7: in her buckets. She never did anything. I read like,

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Speaker 7: how are you going to tell you?

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Speaker 5: How?

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Speaker 6: I get that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, and you're And the other thing is like

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Speaker 4: you just kind of got to like like every anything

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Speaker 4: else is like do I love this more than like

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Speaker 4: you're giving? Sometimes the negative feedback is good, like it

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Speaker 4: helped me be a better question asker or more concise

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Speaker 4: with my answers or more you know, it framed up

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Speaker 4: like I did learn something from that. That was feedback.

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Speaker 4: And now, to be fair, I didn't really like Twitter comments.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't really but the but the like the one

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Speaker 4: on one like I can see if someone's not like

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Speaker 4: if they're not getting it or they're being polite and

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Speaker 4: shaking their like I'm like, wait, do you do you

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Speaker 4: want to explain more? Like you know, it's like just

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Speaker 4: be open to that and put your.

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Speaker 3: Check your ego at the door.

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Speaker 1: But seeing teams embrace it and continue to grow, I

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Speaker 1: mean analytics departments in the last.

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Speaker 3: The Big Data.

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Speaker 4: Seventh Big Data BWL this season, yeah, over four hundred

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Speaker 4: people enter at the Big datable the five top teams

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Speaker 4: they can So every year we pick a topic.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Teams pick a topic and they ask a question that

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Speaker 4: they'd like answered with data. So this year is about

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Speaker 4: pre snap motion and the value of it. The funny

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Speaker 4: part is, and I love the league for this, they

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Speaker 4: give eight games of next gen stats, but from two

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Speaker 4: seasons ago, so literally we had like like some places

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Speaker 4: where like Marcedes Lewis was there, and these college teams

533
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Speaker 4: were like, what happened first? These people were born or

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Speaker 4: Marcedes Lewis started a lad But I just love that

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Speaker 4: they like sequester the good data, like you know, two

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Speaker 4: years whatever. So but these people come up with these

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Speaker 4: really great ideas and they've ended up turning into things

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Speaker 4: like expected rushing yards, which, by the way, the next

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Speaker 4: Gen stats aren't perfect, but what they do is provide

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Speaker 4: a good framework to look a year. Every year, Like,

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Speaker 4: for example, this year, we have the most expected rush

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Speaker 4: yards for running backs and for quarterbacks that we've ever

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Speaker 4: had since sexual assessment tracking, right, you know, for running

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Speaker 4: back it was four point two yards. For a quarterback

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Speaker 4: it was six yards. Past years it was like three

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Speaker 4: and a half and five point seven or something like

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Speaker 4: that before. So it just it's just been interesting to

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Speaker 4: see directionally how the big trends are moving. Now we

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Speaker 4: have a good defensive tackle class this year, is that

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Speaker 4: going to change? Like are we going to now stop

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Speaker 4: the run better? It's a pendulum. It swings back and

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Speaker 4: forth right as we know, so you know, it's just

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Speaker 4: directionally right. It gives us clues as to where to

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Speaker 4: look further. Because all I'm doing is, like if I'm

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Speaker 4: working for you, coach, I'm doing is trying to make

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Speaker 4: your life ten percent easier.

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Speaker 5: See, And that's so great because when I came when

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Speaker 5: I come here now in this role, I always spend

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Speaker 5: at least two nights with position coaches saying, what's happening

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Speaker 5: in the league right now? Yep, what's happening? What is happening?

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Speaker 4: Well, now everyone's looking for Zachmond and that like, who's

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Speaker 4: the guy we can transition into be an off ball linebackers?

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Speaker 5: Before that?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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Speaker 5: And that's right, that's right, that's right to your point,

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Speaker 5: Trends change, Trends change, and that's why you know if

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Speaker 5: you keep up with it, but you've got to you've

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Speaker 5: got to investigate it, yep, rather than just say, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: you know this is what's happening. It's it's it's fascinating

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Speaker 5: and you're to be commended for what you do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Make me for hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: Nobody in the league loves to learn as much as Cynthia,

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Speaker 1: and we got it.

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Speaker 4: Russ Russ and Russ Bank account student loans.

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Speaker 1: back to the OTP. Dame Burglar from the Athletic thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with us a little

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Speaker 1: bit here at the combine.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's not the combines till I gets a chance

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Speaker 8: to talk to you guys, right, I mean exactly, this

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Speaker 8: is I don't know how many years we've done this

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Speaker 8: in a row, but a lot. It's working out. Let's

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Speaker 8: keep it going.

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Speaker 2: It's a tradition, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this draft class of what makes

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Speaker 1: it unique, What has stood out to you as you've

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Speaker 1: been reviewing some of the tape.

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Speaker 3: What are some of the trends that you're seeing.

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Speaker 8: It's a really polarizing quarterback group, that's for sure. I'm

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Speaker 8: sure you guys uh know a little bit about that

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Speaker 8: with the number one overall pick. And then you know,

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Speaker 8: there's certain positions that are deep defensive lines, stacked running backs,

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Speaker 8: great tight ends, loaded, so uh, there are certain positions

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Speaker 8: that are just fun to study in this draft because

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Speaker 8: there's so many of these guys and they're all different.

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Speaker 6: They offer something a little bit different.

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Speaker 8: So understanding, try to understand, you know, what teams are

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Speaker 8: going to value, you know where they're gonna land in

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Speaker 8: the draft.

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Speaker 6: It's it's a lot of fun. So uh.

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Speaker 8: And then here at the combine, you know, it's a

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Speaker 8: lot the combines one big cross checking exercise, you know,

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Speaker 8: So like the Hayes in the barn we've watched the tape.

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Speaker 8: We you know, we know about these guys. Now it's

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Speaker 8: about just confirming what the tape says. You know, if

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Speaker 8: a guy's fast on tape, all right, let's see him

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Speaker 8: run a four four, you know, and if he doesn't,

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Speaker 8: then it's like, all right, we need to go back

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Speaker 8: and figure out did we miss something? You know, what's

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Speaker 8: what's the disconnect there? So the combine is a really

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Speaker 8: valuable tool for for me, for teams where you just

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Speaker 8: want to be able to cross check what your initial

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Speaker 8: evaluation says.

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Speaker 1: In your evaluation, can you tell me why this is

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Speaker 1: a good year for the Titans to have the number

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Speaker 1: one pick in the draft?

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Speaker 8: And I think it's debatable when you look at because

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Speaker 8: every draft has its own identity, you know, it's a

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Speaker 8: little bit different. Last year we had three guys at

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Speaker 8: the top that I think you would have been over

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Speaker 8: the moon drafting any of those top three quarterbacks come about,

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Speaker 8: Kayleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake May and I think all

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Speaker 8: three of them lived up to his rookies where maybe

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Speaker 8: it wasn't. Jane Daniels was phenomenal, but you know, Caleb

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Speaker 8: Williams wasn't perfect all the time, but you can at

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Speaker 8: least see where it's going. This year, it's not as

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Speaker 8: cut and dry. I think cam Ward from Miami is

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Speaker 8: the favorite to be the first quarterback drafted, whether that's

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Speaker 8: at one or maybe somewhere else in the top five.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's something that hopefully we get better sense

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Speaker 8: of here this week and then throughout the process. But

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Speaker 8: if the if the Titans decide, it's never a bad

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Speaker 8: year to have the number one pick because there's always

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Speaker 8: going to be someone at the top or someone that's

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Speaker 8: interests where. Okay, if you stick a pick and it's

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Speaker 8: not a quarterback, hey Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, two really

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Speaker 8: dynamic players, cornerstone type of guys that are gonna make

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Speaker 8: your roster better. But there's also, you know, an interesting

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Speaker 8: quarterback or two at the top where your phone should

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Speaker 8: be ringing. So if I'm the Titans, I'm going through

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Speaker 8: this process giving off vibes like we're gonna take a

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Speaker 8: quarterback because that's just gonna help me. The teams behind us,

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Speaker 8: whether Giants, Raiders, whoever it may be, teams may be

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Speaker 8: a little bit more desperate for a quarterback. They're gonna

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Speaker 8: sick it up the ante if they're gonna give us

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Speaker 8: a call and say, hey, what do you think about

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Speaker 8: you know, a two in a three or whatever.

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Speaker 6: It may end up being. So at the end of

659
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: the day, you just want options.

660
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 8: And you know for a team like the Titans that

661
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 8: you know you have the number one pick for a reason.

662
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 8: So it's how are we going to get better? Not

663
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 8: just for twenty twenty five, but for the next three years,

664
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 8: four years. What is going the decisions we need to

665
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 8: do make right now that's going to put us on

666
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 8: a path to success. And you know, this is a

667
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 8: really interesting year to have a number one overall pick,

668
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 8: and it's a big opportun unity for this organization.

669
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: You and I both were brought up in the scouting

670
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: world by.

671
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 6: A legend, the legend, the legend, that's right.

672
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's fun for me to talk to

673
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 5: you every year like this because I mean just so much.

674
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 8: We could talk for hours about Coe and what he

675
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 8: meant for the league, for the scouting community, and and

676
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 8: for each of us individually. It's just it's really awesome.

677
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: When CEO would talk about a player, and I was

678
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: in a lot of draft rooms with him for a

679
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: lot of h'd say, just give me a plus and

680
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: a minus on this guy. That's all I want to

681
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 5: That's all I want to hear. Do you still go

682
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: buy that? Just just give give me a bullet point?

683
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: Didn't like a lot of.

684
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 6: Bs, right, that's absolutely right.

685
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't like you to wander around? Uh c O,

686
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 5: I use this with rent C. Don't give me the

687
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 5: Charles Dickens novel on this dude. You know I want to.

688
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: I want some bullet points? Did you still is that

689
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 5: you still subscribe to that?

690
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 8: I doubt, no doubt, because at the end of the day, like, yeah,

691
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 8: I can give you a manifesto about you know, a

692
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 8: player and all these different things, but sometimes we can

693
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 8: get too much in the weeds on these guys, you know,

694
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 8: like at the end of the day, what makes them

695
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 8: successful or what's a one area where you know, if

696
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 8: things get disrupted, it's because of this, And so no

697
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 8: doubt about it. Things I took away from CEO were

698
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 8: just to be succynct with your evaluations, and then also

699
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 8: just the importance of being observant. Sometimes being a scout

700
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 8: is just being observant, and you know, there's no such

701
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 8: thing as a genius scout or it's just it's about

702
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 8: being observant and the most the best scouts were always

703
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 8: the guys that were the most observant.

704
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: There've been in a lot of draft rooms with him.

705
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 5: Were you know, somebody be reading the report and reading

706
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 5: the report and reading report and see what would.

707
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 6: Slap the tape and go is he good or not?

708
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I still don't know if he can play.

709
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 7: Give me a couple of guys, because of course everybody

710
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 7: in the world knows about the Beast, and hats off

711
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 7: to you for that, because that is the gift of

712
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 7: the draft season every year. But give me a couple

713
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 7: of the guys that you think will will explode in

714
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 7: testing this week, Like Jihad Campbell is one of those,

715
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 7: yes from Alabama that I think will test here very well.

716
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, guy's a freak and he's interesting because he was

717
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 8: recruited as a pass rusher, but because they were kind

718
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 8: of stacked a pass rusher, they stood them up as

719
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 8: a linebacker and so the instincts aren't you know, they're developing,

720
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 8: they're working progress. He's not there yet, but he still

721
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 8: had one hundred and seventeen tackles this year. You don't

722
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 8: do that by you know, being a bad football player.

723
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 8: So the athleticism, the way he moves, the range. But

724
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 8: I think you know, my favorite tape was un is

725
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 8: getting after the quarterback? So how do you work that

726
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 8: into How does that work in your scheme? You know

727
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 8: how if you're going to draft a player like that,

728
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 8: you have to make sure your defensive coordinators on board with, Hey,

729
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 8: yeah he can do this, this and this, but he

730
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 8: gets after the quarterback. That's what he does really well.

731
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 8: Jalen Walker, same thing from Georgia, who a freak guy

732
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 8: with length and you know when they let him run,

733
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 8: he would get home. But can he be a true

734
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 8: edge rusher or you gonna play him off the ball.

735
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 8: So there are a few conversion guys. But back back

736
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 8: to your point about the guys that are gonna blow

737
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 8: up this year, no doubt about it. Campbell's one of them.

738
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 8: Nick em and Warry from South Carolina, the safety six

739
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 8: two and twenty five pounds and he'll he jumps, will

740
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 8: be forty inches in the vert he'll be over eleven

741
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 8: in the broad. Very eager to see what his forty

742
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 8: comes out being because the mile brower says he's gonna

743
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 8: run under four to four. Will that show in the testing.

744
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 8: He's a really unique player who's already kind of in

745
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 8: that first round conversation, but could help himself even more.

746
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 8: Shamar Stewart, who was at the Senior Bowl, two hundred

747
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 8: eighty pounds shouldn't move like that. Two hundred eighty pounds

748
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 8: shouldn't have that burst off the ball in the ability

749
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 8: to corner flat and get to the quarterback.

750
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 6: But he can do it.

751
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 8: So he's long, he doesn't have bad weight on him,

752
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 8: it's well distributed. He's a really good player. It's just

753
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 8: people look at the one and a half sacks then

754
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 8: they kind of get obsessed with that instead of looking

755
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 8: at the tape and saying he's getting home. He's disrupting

756
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 8: the quarterback at the end of the day. Yeah, you

757
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 8: want you would love for your your guy to have

758
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 8: fifteen sacks, but more than anything, I want him to

759
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 8: affect the quarterback. And that's what Shamar Stewart did consistently.

760
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 8: And I think based on how he tests this week,

761
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see his ten yard split. I

762
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 8: think it'll be somewhere in the one fives, which is

763
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 8: I mean von Miller, I think was one five to nine.

764
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 8: So anything one fives that two eighty pounds is going

765
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 8: to be outstanding. He'll come away from this week creating

766
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 8: a little bit of buzz for himself.

767
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: Dane.

768
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 7: The medical checks are always huge here, huge, and I

769
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 7: think a lot of people wanted to see Abdul Carter work,

770
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 7: but we know what Abdul Carter is.

771
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 6: Yes, he's a can't miss prospect.

772
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 7: But for somebody that is being talked about in the

773
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 7: first round, Chevin Revel from MECU the Corner, it's a

774
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 7: shame that he had the ACL surgery back in the

775
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 7: middle of October because I'd love to see that guy

776
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 7: test this week.

777
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I just talked with Chavon last week and

778
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 8: he's if anybody that can can work back from an ACL,

779
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 8: it's this guy. The amount of adversity he's had to

780
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 8: face in his life going back to high school and

781
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 8: then he didn't have the grades to out of high

782
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 8: school to go to a top college, so he goes

783
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 8: to Louisbourg College. COVID wipes out his first season. He's

784
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 8: working at Amazon like he doesn't know where he's going

785
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 8: at ECU East Carolina has a prospect camp he shows up,

786
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 8: blows everybody away, has a roster spot, gets his grades

787
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 8: back on track. Twenty twenty three comes along and he

788
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 8: has his breakout year, and Alabama's calling him, Penn State's

789
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 8: calling him, Ohio State's calling him, and he's decided stay loyal.

790
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 8: And then of course the ACL injury happened, which is

791
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 8: just is heartbreaking. But if anybody that can overcome it,

792
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 8: it's him because of his ability to overcome adversity throughout

793
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 8: his life. So he's expected to be cleared. He's running

794
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 8: a little bit right now, but not enough where he's

795
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 8: going to test before the draft. Sometime over the summer

796
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 8: is when he'll get a chance to be back full healthy.

797
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 8: He's a top fifty player in this draft, and even

798
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 8: with the AC, as long as nothing else pops up

799
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 8: for the team trainers and physicians, he'll go to one

800
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 8: of the top fifty and a team will get a

801
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 8: little bit of a discount on a good player.

802
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: Let's go back to CEO real quick. I've got three

803
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: offensive tackles I want to ask you about, and just good,

804
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: bad account on each one of them. Donovan Jackson Ohio

805
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 5: State versatility.

806
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 8: He was the unsung hero for Ohio State this year,

807
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 8: going as soon as Josh Simmons got hurt, he kicked

808
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 8: out from guard to left tackle. That first game was

809
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 8: a little dicey against Abdul Carter and Penn State, but

810
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 8: the rest of the year in the playoffs, especially pitch

811
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 8: a shutout. So versatility is the first thing that stands

812
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 8: out with him in terms of maybe some areas that

813
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 8: you maybe question a little bit balance at contact. There

814
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 8: are sometimes where he falls off a little bit, but

815
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 8: this is a good player. That versatility is something that

816
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 8: you key in on, whether it's a guard, whether it's

817
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 8: a tackle. Coming back for his senior year, I think

818
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 8: was such a key to key something that changed for

819
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 8: him and really turned him into a top fifty type.

820
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: Of guy from Minnesota.

821
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 8: I struggle with him, I do, but there's not many

822
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 8: urseries just walking around guys that are that big, yep

823
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 8: and move like him. If you rush him down to center,

824
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 8: he'll stop you. You know, he has a power in

825
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 8: his body where he's gonna slow you down, grind down

826
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 8: that rush. But if you attack his edges, that's where

827
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 8: he starts to break down a little bit. And so

828
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 8: I think, you know he's he's a little bit of

829
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 8: a late bloomer. He'll get better and better. So I think,

830
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 8: you know, you're drafting Ursery for not necessarily who he

831
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 8: is now, but what he's going to grow into. But

832
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 8: it just gives me a little bit of pause in

833
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 8: terms of if we're talking abou him as a first

834
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 8: round guy, scares me a little bit. We're talking about

835
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 8: him as the SCD round guy.

836
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 6: All right. I like the.

837
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 8: Value there because there is some there's some bus potential there.

838
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 8: But I see the traits, I see the talent. I

839
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 8: like what he could develop into.

840
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: Cameron Williams from Texas.

841
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 8: Cam's a tough one because one your starter, all right, yep,

842
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 8: it's but again, they don't make him like Guys that

843
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 8: look like that just don't come around very often. And

844
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 8: so he moves really well for three hundred and four

845
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 8: forty pounds or whatever he's going to be. This this

846
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 8: week we talked about the medicals. The knee is going

847
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 8: to be important with him. With the knee, it's nothing,

848
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 8: you know, it wasn't like a he didn't miss half

849
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 8: the year. He only missed one game this year because

850
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 8: of the knee. But it's something that teams need to

851
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 8: sign off on, so the knee will be big.

852
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 6: He's just he's raw. He's very raw.

853
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 8: He's won year starter, and so how long before you

854
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 8: feel comfortable putting him out there on an NFL field.

855
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 8: I'm not sure what that answer is, and that's where

856
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 8: I hope my offensive line coach has a better answer,

857
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 8: because he needs to kind of be rebuilt with his

858
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 8: technique and some of his movements. But he has the traits,

859
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 8: he has the tools, so that he's a tough prospect

860
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 8: to talk about because he's really talented, but he's just

861
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 8: not NFL ready right now.

862
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 7: That's why I ask you, because I know you feel

863
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 7: the Titans need a right tackle. And there's a guy

864
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 7: I've been watching for a while and a value pick

865
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 7: I think probably late night to early day three. Ozzie Trapillo,

866
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 7: Boston College.

867
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know he's a legacy guys dad played

868
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 8: in the league before he asked away unfortunately, but you

869
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 8: know he's he's a taller guy, and usually with those

870
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 8: taller guys, they lose leverage so easily and they could be,

871
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 8: you know, really bullied at the point of attack. But

872
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 8: he does a nice job sitting down. He's a good athlete, moves. Well,

873
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 8: I've been impressed with him. I think he has you know,

874
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 8: if you don't get your tackle in the top fifty picks,

875
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 8: I think he's the guy outside the top fifty picks

876
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 8: that's like, hey, let's target him, you know, let's let's

877
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 8: let's go after him.

878
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: I think, you know, we might have a starter on

879
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 6: our hands.

880
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 8: So yeah, in a tackle class, that's I wouldn't call

881
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 8: it deep. He's one of the few that probably isn't

882
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 8: gonna go top fifty, but I think a start a

883
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 8: potential once you get outside that top fifty.

884
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: All right, hit me with something on a guy that

885
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 7: a lot of people don't know about but are gonna

886
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 7: learn more about this week and going forward. William and Mary,

887
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 7: that's right, Yeah, he I almost brought him up when

888
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 7: you asked about who's gonna rise this year or at

889
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: the combine because of the way they test. He is

890
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 7: an absolute freak and he he he didn't grow what

891
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 7: you know, being a football player.

892
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 6: He didn't real play football till high school junior year.

893
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 8: I think, right, yeah, he kind of got involved as

894
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 8: a sophomore and then but he didn't really get reps

895
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 8: until his junior year. He was a wrestler, play a

896
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 8: little bit basketball growing up, but he really didn't focus

897
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 8: in on football until he got to got to junior

898
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 8: year in high school and then goes to William and

899
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 8: Mary's two hundred and forty pounds. You know, he just

900
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 8: he needs a lot of work, and he still needs

901
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 8: a lot of work. I thought the Senior Bowl was

902
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 8: gonna kind of be his launch point to see how

903
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 8: he did, but he got hurt the final game of

904
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 8: the year, so he had to miss the Senior Bowl.

905
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 8: I'm told he's gonna be a full participant here at

906
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 8: the Combine, which will be huge because he should test

907
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 8: really well. Talk about the ten yard split, talk about

908
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 8: the three cone. You know, just the way he moves

909
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 8: is really unique. But you know, again, how far away

910
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 8: is he from because he's really light, He's probably gonna

911
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 8: around tw hundred ninety five pounds. How far away is

912
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 8: he from seeing those NFL snaps? So a little bit

913
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 8: more of a the developmental guy than a plug and

914
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 8: play guy, but a guy that we just you don't

915
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 8: have these traits very often.

916
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: Give me one corner in the belly of this draft,

917
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 5: which is the strength of the draft, right, I mean,

918
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: it's you're talking about the tackle. Last year we were

919
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: spoiled with why the tackles came off the board.

920
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 6: No doubt you.

921
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 5: Got you one. Give me one corner in the belly

922
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: of it.

923
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 8: Denzel Burg from Ohio State is one of those guys

924
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 8: who you know he's he's not going to be a

925
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 8: top seventy five pick probably, Yeah, but you know, once

926
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 8: you get outside the you know he's just he's a

927
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 8: four year starter Ohio State, and you know he's battle tested.

928
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 8: You know he's there's some low lows on his tape,

929
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 8: but they are also some high highs. And I give

930
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 8: me the corner that's battle tested who because it's it's

931
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 8: a it's very much a mentality position where yeah, you

932
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 8: need the speed, you need these athletic tools, but you

933
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 8: also need to be able to come back from a

934
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 8: mistake and act like it didn't happen.

935
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 6: And I think he can do that.

936
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 5: That's a range I was looking for this. Yeah, COO

937
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 5: would be proud.

938
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 7: I love to hear that, dang you touched. On quarterbacks,

939
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 7: there's two at the top. It's debatable who's the third.

940
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 7: A lot of people mentioned Jackson Dark from Ole, miss

941
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 7: is kind of being in there, But I'm interested to

942
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 7: hear your thoughts on Kyle McCord from Syrahcues, who I

943
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 7: think can help himself this week, and then we saw

944
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 7: kind of things that maybe Tyler Shuck can build off

945
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 7: of from the senior ball.

946
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a big Tayler Shuk guy.

947
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 8: I think people would get obsessed with the age, you know,

948
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: the fact that he's gonna be a twenty six year

949
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 8: old rookie, and I mean, the medicals need to check out.

950
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 8: He missed a lot of time in college, so the

951
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 8: medicals need to check out. But the guy in terms

952
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 8: of just talent, he's among the best in his class

953
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 8: and just some pure talent that size, the mobility and

954
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 8: the arm. The ball explodes off his hand and you know,

955
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 8: to see him healthy, finally healthy. This year at Louisville

956
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: and Brahm's offense, it was a lot of fun to watch.

957
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 8: So if I had a bet on a quarterback outside

958
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 8: the first round, is Tyler Shuck all day? And I

959
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 8: get it. You want twenty two year old twenty one

960
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 8: year old quarterback. There's some value to being a little

961
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 8: bit older. I mean, I know we don't see it

962
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 8: very often. I mean this isn't like a Brandon Whedon situation.

963
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 8: It's just a very unique situation.

964
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 6: And so.

965
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 8: Tayler Sho is a guy that I think, you know

966
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 8: can is a worthy roll of the dice. When you

967
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 8: get outside the first round. If it doesn't work all right,

968
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 8: next year you move on. But it's a day two pick,

969
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 8: so you don't feel like you're totally invested where you

970
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 8: can't move on the next year. Kyle McCory, I agree

971
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 8: he can help himself this this week, especially in the interviews,

972
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 8: because that's where I think he separates himself. How sharp

973
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 8: he is. He's not in terms of mobility, that's not

974
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 8: where he really That's why Ohio State decided to kind

975
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 8: of move on and you know, in their mind upgrade

976
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 8: with a guy like Will Howard because Will Howard gave

977
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 8: you that mobility aspect. What do you do is legs

978
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 8: and worked out. You know, they won a national championship. McCord, though,

979
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 8: is so good from the pocket. He can anticipate, he

980
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 8: can throw a very accurate ball, you know he is.

981
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 8: I do worry about him extending plays and he's not

982
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 8: necessarily a creative quarterback, but he can go make plays consistently.

983
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 8: From the pocket, and that's not a bad place to

984
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 8: start with the quarterback.

985
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 7: Brian Callahan, the head coach, had been asked about running

986
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 7: back today. He says he's happy with Tony Pollard and

987
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 7: with ta j. Spears, but there's value in this in

988
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 7: this draft at the running back position. I'm gonna ask

989
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 7: you about Kyle McCord's back and Leaquinn Allen. He's three

990
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 7: down back, right.

991
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 8: That's the thing you like the most about LeQuinn Allen

992
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 8: is what he can do on passing downs. He can

993
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 8: catch the ball and he can block. So I don't

994
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 8: think he's ever gonna be a full featured guy in

995
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 8: the NFL, but as an electric committee back, oh yeah,

996
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 8: he has a lot of value because special teams, catching

997
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 8: the football, blocking, he can do those three things. And

998
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 8: so where's that go. That gona be third round, fourth round,

999
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 8: and we'll see where he ends up being drafted. But

1000
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 8: I mean, you're absolutely right about the depth is running

1001
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 8: back class. I mean you that might be the biggest

1002
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 8: argument not to take an ash and Gent in the

1003
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 8: first round because you feel good about getting a running

1004
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 8: back Day two, Day three, a guy that's going to

1005
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 8: make an impact for your team. So it's just a

1006
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 8: a loaded I think I gave draftable grades to thirty

1007
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 8: two running backs this year. Wow, and all thirty two

1008
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 8: aren't Gonae drafted. You know, there's not a not every

1009
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 8: team's gonna draft a running back.

1010
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 5: Let's stay on running backs. Devin Neil from KU.

1011
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 8: Different body type, but play style reminds me a little

1012
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: bit of Kyron Williams with the rams. Just the way

1013
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 8: he plays kind of He's not I want to call

1014
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 8: him explosive, but he glides. You know, he just really

1015
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 8: well balanced in and out of his cuts. Another guy

1016
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 8: that can catch the ball in the backfield, and you know,

1017
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 8: there's something to be said about in terms of character.

1018
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 8: He might be one of the top character guys in

1019
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 8: the draft. Lawrenceville Lawrence kid. It stayed put and had

1020
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 8: plenty of opportunities to go elsewhere, could have transferred dinner,

1021
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 8: he stayed put, became the school's all time leading rusher.

1022
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 6: He's a really talented.

1023
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 8: Guy that I think it would be easy for him

1024
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 8: to get lost in a loaded running back class. But yeah,

1025
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: I'm glad you brought him up because he is a

1026
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 8: He's a fun player.

1027
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: That's why I wanted to ask you about it. He

1028
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 5: kind of you kind of look at that. It's a

1029
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: great description as a glider. Yeah, a lot of time

1030
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 5: those gliders don't take a lot of big hits.

1031
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 8: No, absolutely, And he's balanced so he's in and out

1032
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 8: of his cuts really smoothly. I don't think he's gonna

1033
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 8: like the forty. I don't think it's going to be exceptional.

1034
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 8: But you know, he just knows how to play the

1035
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 8: running back position and lesson not not gonna make get

1036
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 8: a lot of hits on his body.

1037
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 6: It's it's it's a lot of fun.

1038
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 7: To watch Dane. The Titans need off ball linebackers. I

1039
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 7: want to ask you about a couple one that I'm

1040
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 7: interested in in Cody Lindenberg Minnesota.

1041
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was a Senior Bowl guy.

1042
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 8: You know he's I think when you talk about progression

1043
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 8: and getting better, he's a good example of that where

1044
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 8: you know, you watch him his underclassman tapes like all right,

1045
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 8: you know, solid player, moves okay, and then you watch

1046
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 8: him get better and better every year and that's what

1047
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 8: gives you, you know, encouragement for okay. He's because I

1048
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 8: ideally you want to love the player right now, but

1049
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 8: then also see the upside and see, Okay, you know,

1050
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 8: I like who he is now, but he can get

1051
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 8: better here here and here, and with our coaches, I know,

1052
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 8: I know he's gonna be a better player. And so

1053
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 8: I think Cody Lindenberg that's a good example of that.

1054
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 8: Who he sees the field well, he reacts well, and

1055
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 8: when when he does drive on the ball, he can

1056
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 8: go make a play. So the strength of this linebacker

1057
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 8: class I think like too much. I love Campbell. Carson

1058
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 8: Schwestinger from UCLA is one of my favorite players in

1059
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 8: this draft. A little bit light for the linebacker position.

1060
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 8: You see that with some of his take on but

1061
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 8: the speed, the range, the smarts, the instincts are outstanding.

1062
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 8: But the strength of this linebacker class is rounds between

1063
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 8: rounds three and five. Yep, there's ten, maybe eight to

1064
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 8: ten guys in that rounds three to five range that

1065
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 8: are just good quality linebackers. There might be something maybe

1066
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 8: they're missing that's keeping them from going higher. Whether you

1067
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 8: know Danny Stutsman from Oklahoma and not the best coverage player,

1068
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 8: but outstanding downhill. Chris Paul from Ole Miss. He doesn't

1069
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 8: have the length that you want, but another rangy, active player.

1070
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 8: So a lot of linebackers in that third to fifth

1071
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 8: round mix, and Lenniburg is one of them.

1072
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 7: A guy in that range, the converted safety Oregon Jeffrey Bassa.

1073
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, another guy didn't play football until later on, is

1074
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 8: kind of a you know, and you could see that

1075
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 8: watching his underclassman tape. Then another guy got better and

1076
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 8: better and better, had a good week at the Senior Bowl.

1077
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 8: Moves really well. He should test pretty well here at

1078
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 8: the combine, and you know, what do you expect from

1079
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 8: a former safety? So but in his drops he looks good. Downhill,

1080
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 8: he looks good. As long as he sees it, he

1081
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 8: can attack it. And so, yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

1082
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 8: He is in that mix in that third to fifth

1083
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 8: round range.

1084
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 5: Tight end is a nice class. Oh it's loaded Harold

1085
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 5: Fannin Jr.

1086
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's is he an tight end or is

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Speaker 8: he more of an h back or you know, kind

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Speaker 8: of just figuring out his exact role important? Yeah, and

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Speaker 8: so but how many twenty year olds catch one hundred

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Speaker 8: and seventeen passes? I don't care if he played in

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Speaker 8: the MAC or Bowlinger. You know, he he played at

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Speaker 8: a high level and his he's not a bad athlete.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying that he's just a little bit of

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Speaker 8: an awkward athlete and so, but he's linearly explosive and

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Speaker 8: he catches everything. And again he's twenty years old. You know,

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Speaker 8: he's still so young that you know, he's one of

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Speaker 8: five or six tight ends in this draft that I

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Speaker 8: think you look at and say, all right, yeah, we

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Speaker 8: can feature him in our offense as someone that's more

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Speaker 8: than just a complimentary piece. He is someone that will

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Speaker 8: be part of what makes our offense great. And yeah,

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Speaker 8: Fannins in that mix is be He'll be somewhere off

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Speaker 8: the board in day two. But I do think that

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Speaker 8: he's a little unique where he won't be for everybody,

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Speaker 8: but if you find the right role for him, he

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Speaker 8: will explode.

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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, I think we could keep you here all day.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'd run through the entire draft.

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Speaker 3: Class if we could with you.

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Speaker 6: I'd love that. Yeah, I mean, you're.

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Speaker 1: Welcome today, but I know you're a very busy man.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people want to talk to you, but

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Speaker 1: we so appreciate your time and we look forward to

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Speaker 1: the beast.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a drop date?

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Speaker 5: Uh? One day?

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Speaker 6: And like, all right, yeah, here.

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