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Speaker 1: I don't trust this TikTok ban at all, Okay. I
Speaker 1: see what's going on here, and I understand better than
Speaker 1: most people, almost all people, because I have a background
Speaker 1: in intelligence and the history of espionage, and I know
Speaker 1: how totalitarian regimes operate, actually writing a book on it,
Speaker 1: which you will all of course be hopefully buying in
Speaker 1: about twelve months time when it comes out. But I
Speaker 1: understand the concerns about the Chinese surveillance and all of that.
Speaker 1: But let's just take a step back for a moment.
Speaker 1: First off, at the highest level, the Biden administration wants
Speaker 1: to get this done right away. Why what's going on.
Speaker 1: Do you trust the Biden administration? Do you think suddenly
Speaker 1: they care a lot about the nationalscuit already of the country.
Speaker 1: You think all of a sudden, Joe Biden's.
Speaker 2: Like, you're not a joke.
Speaker 1: I really you should take millions from China and now
Speaker 1: I want to stop them from snooping on your kids
Speaker 1: with the TikTok no, I'm sorry, something's going on here.
Speaker 1: I just don't trust this. I know they're saying it's bipartisan.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of Republicans that I really like
Speaker 1: are pushing this, or at least some Republicans that are
Speaker 1: like or pushing this.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of problems with this, A lot
Speaker 2: of problems with this.
Speaker 1: First of all, you are I know it's a forced
Speaker 1: divestiture then ban if they don't divest bill, But you're
Speaker 1: passing a law that's really attacking one app and you're
Speaker 1: doing it under the notion that if you don't, China
Speaker 1: is going to get access to American sensitive data and
Speaker 1: information all the rest of it, and they're going to
Speaker 1: use that against this. But but hold off second, when
Speaker 1: has China done that with TikTok? Now, there might be
Speaker 1: some there's some case I know as a BBC journalist
Speaker 1: or something who says that the Chinese somehow got into TikTok,
Speaker 1: and the Chinese are getting into stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: The Chinese hacking and cyber operations capability is pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1: Really a North Korea, I know, we make fun of them.
Speaker 2: Like, oh what do they have? Dos? Like internet from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: But the North Koreans actually have a pretty sophisticated just
Speaker 1: ask Sony Pictures sophisticated hacking operation as well, and they
Speaker 1: have no consequences.
Speaker 2: Right It's a.
Speaker 1: State actor effectively operating within its own boundaries, doing whatever
Speaker 1: cyber it wants to do, and it's so disconnected from
Speaker 1: the web that there's really no cyber operations we can
Speaker 1: do that are meaningful in response. Anyway, North Korea is
Speaker 1: a problem with that, China is a problem with that.
Speaker 1: But I just think that the focus, the enormous focus
Speaker 1: right now on TikTok is suspect. Why would TikTok. I'm
Speaker 1: just working you through the argument as I see it here,
Speaker 1: or the problems as I see them.
Speaker 2: First of all, it's a.
Speaker 1: Bill that's punishing a company because of the theoretical abuse
Speaker 1: of information down the line that it's acquiring. Second of all,
Speaker 1: if TikTok were to be found to be siphoning, and
Speaker 1: remember it's based in the TikTok arm of the company,
Speaker 1: it's based in Los Angeles, it's headquartered here in the US,
Speaker 1: and so if they were found to be siphoning information
Speaker 1: back to China right in any Way, if that ever
Speaker 1: came out, TikTok is dead as a company in the US.
Speaker 1: I mean overnight, the stock would be worthless. Effectively, the
Speaker 1: whole company would have to because people would be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're feeding my stuff back to China.
Speaker 2: So think about that.
Speaker 1: I know the Chinese will do it, they're ruthless, but
Speaker 1: they're American employees of this company. They say they would
Speaker 1: not comply with any China these demand for US user
Speaker 1: data information about you know, individuals. Now you can say,
Speaker 1: although they're lying, and I don't trust anybody, but.
Speaker 2: Is it in their interest to lie? Really?
Speaker 1: This company is worth I think a couple of hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollars or something like that. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: it's worth a lot of money. Maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars right now.
Speaker 2: So there's that.
Speaker 1: But the bigger problem that I have with all of this,
Speaker 1: right so, there's passing a bill that targets a company
Speaker 1: for something it hasn't done. Oh you don't think Democrats
Speaker 1: will abuse that at some point in the future. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is the I think the absurdity of like, oh,
Speaker 1: but they're going to be spying on our kids and
Speaker 1: I'm going this ties into my next point. But and
Speaker 1: and China is gonna pollute our children's minds with all
Speaker 1: the TikTok stuff, all these arguments I look at, I say,
Speaker 1: what about Google? What about YouTube and Facebook and Instagram?
Speaker 1: And this thing that people do where they watch other
Speaker 1: people play video games that apparently millions of kids and
Speaker 1: teenagers and weird dults are doing on a regular basis
Speaker 1: watching other people play video games. Look, I think video
Speaker 1: games are fun, don't get me wrong, But watching other
Speaker 1: people play I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is a thing. Apparently it's a thing.
Speaker 1: But what about all that all these people that are
Speaker 1: talking so tough on China and TikTok in Congress, Where
Speaker 1: are they on the fact that Twitter before Elon bought it, now.
Speaker 2: It's x and so he stepped up and did something.
Speaker 1: But you know, YouTube and Google and Facebook, all the
Speaker 1: all the big social media giants.
Speaker 2: It's more than that. It's searched too.
Speaker 1: It's basically the underlying Amazon, Amazon Web services, the underlying
Speaker 1: Internet architecture is all under monopoly control. These are monopolies
Speaker 1: now effectively, and they have so much more influence and
Speaker 1: they will. They've already shown you. They will throw elections,
Speaker 1: they will suppress information.
Speaker 2: They do not like.
Speaker 1: They are a much bigger threat to you know, it's
Speaker 1: YouTube that's teaching your kid who's twelve, Hey, you're a boy.
Speaker 1: You're at you actually can be a girl. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should have gender transition surgery, which is impossible because you
Speaker 1: can't transition your gender. But you know, maybe you should
Speaker 1: chop off some stuff and take some hormones. It's YouTube
Speaker 1: that is doing that. It's YouTube that does not care
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, but buck, I'm watching.
Speaker 2: This on YouTube. I have like five followers on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know why this is my eighth YouTube channel or
Speaker 1: something over the last ten years, because they shut me down.
Speaker 1: They shut me down over and over again. My YouTube
Speaker 1: channel got shut down. They got shut down for masks,
Speaker 1: they get shut down, shut down for election stuff in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, get shut down for you know.
Speaker 2: Hate speech or whatever all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't trust anybody who's a conservative who hasn't been
Speaker 1: kicked off of YouTube. I mean, how can you be
Speaker 1: a real conservative and have a huge YouTube following. Think
Speaker 1: about that, because YouTube is a total monopolist, left wing cartel.
Speaker 1: When it comes to speech and idea is they don't
Speaker 1: care about the suppression, and in fact, they care a
Speaker 1: lot about suppressing.
Speaker 2: But I mean, they don't care about the First Amendment.
Speaker 1: So anyone was like, oh, but so and So's he's
Speaker 1: so based, he's so right wing, and he's got a
Speaker 1: big YouTube following. I'm like, look, I do with Clay
Speaker 1: the biggest radio show in the country. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm used to having a big audience. And when I
Speaker 1: see people that have these huge YouTube channels who are
Speaker 1: right wing or I mean, if they're doing politics, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: clearly you didn't say very much of interest during COVID
Speaker 1: because you still have a channel. Clearly you were like,
Speaker 1: take the vaccine and do all.
Speaker 2: This other stuff. Right, So.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm by that it's probably gonna get
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel. So but you know, whatever, I subscribe though, please,
Speaker 1: nothing will piss YouTube off more than subscribing to the
Speaker 1: Buck Brief on YouTube. The good news is we've got
Speaker 1: so many of you listen on audio and they can't
Speaker 1: track us down. And you know, thank god I work
Speaker 1: for iHeart, and I'm able to have free speech at
Speaker 1: the company that I work for, where I do have
Speaker 1: true free speech and the ability to really say what
Speaker 1: I think, because you know, YouTube a bunch of censoring
Speaker 1: comedies over there, and so they're just it's such a
Speaker 1: bigger threat to your civil liberty, to the future of
Speaker 1: this country from these American companies. Anything TikTok is doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, TikTok is poisoning our kids' brains.
Speaker 1: And then they open up their iPad and they're all
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at YouTube. But their kids like, oh,
Speaker 1: look it's YouTube. It's an American company. We can trust them.
Speaker 1: They are more dangerous to your future than anything China
Speaker 1: is doing. Wake up, everybody. You can say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we can walk and chew gum at the
Speaker 1: same time. Is anyone saying we're gonna do anything about
Speaker 1: big tech? Really, we talked about it a lot at
Speaker 1: the end of the Trump administration. They saw they talked
Speaker 1: about it. Is anyone really saying, oh, we've got to
Speaker 1: take action? No, no, they want their Biden administration is
Speaker 1: urging the Senate to move quickly on this TikTok band.
Speaker 1: You trust Joe, I mean, think about what's going on here.
Speaker 1: Oh they're going to foresay divestiture and that will be okay.
Speaker 2: It's not that easy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not that simple and straight for the
Speaker 1: people who are also passing this bill.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 1: Crap about tech, about how these how these systems work together.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like and look, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that I'm an expert in it, but I'm not
Speaker 1: the one who's passing a bill saying that you have
Speaker 1: to invest the companies. So it's just more complicated. There
Speaker 1: are problems here. It's more complicated than what people have
Speaker 1: been led to believe. And I oh, and then tho,
Speaker 1: it's my last objection to it, which is it's just
Speaker 1: a way for people to pretend they're tough on China
Speaker 1: while you know, we still have all of our iPhones
Speaker 1: made there, and like six percent of all of our
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals are made there, and you know, we're still getting
Speaker 1: all this stuff, all this cheap stuff from China. So
Speaker 1: much industry that we have is actually stuff made in China,
Speaker 1: and none of that's getting touched or and no one
Speaker 1: wants to deal with that at all.
Speaker 2: Right, so it's.
Speaker 1: Easy to say, oh, get rid of TikTok. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's honestly, the whole thing is like
Speaker 1: a scapegoat for our Week on China policy, stretching back
Speaker 1: for thirty years.
Speaker 2: This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna ban TikTok.
Speaker 1: And look, you know TikTok is is the American is
Speaker 1: so funny. The American company that is TikTok, or rather
Speaker 1: you know, the American arm of the company Bykedance owns it.
Speaker 1: But that on TikTok, there are a bunch of commies.
Speaker 1: They're just as bad as the Chinese. Basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: what what do you think? What are their politics? You know,
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of left wing lunatics. So you know,
Speaker 1: I've got my problems with TikTok based on that. But
Speaker 1: this notion that, oh well, China is gonna spy on
Speaker 1: your kids. You know, I sit there and what are
Speaker 1: they gonna They're gonna know where I am?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to reverse engineer what Americans like,
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna be able to pollute all of
Speaker 1: our minds. They're not that sophisticated about America. I hate
Speaker 1: this is true of the Soviets. To the Soviets ran
Speaker 1: all this anti American propaganda for decades during the Cold War.
Speaker 1: They really didn't understand American politics very well at all.
Speaker 2: They had terrible.
Speaker 1: Analysts and assessments coming out of the KGB all the time.
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Speaker 1: Now there's something else that people are all fired up about,
Speaker 1: and I really I gotta say, I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: easy to deal with this. The Katie Britt State of
Speaker 1: the Union response. She has now come back and said
Speaker 1: it was awesome that she was made fun of by
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Speaker 1: the Katie bridge State of the Union response, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see that she's leaning into this because that's
Speaker 1: the only way to handle it, The only way to
Speaker 1: handle this is, yeah, it was funny, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I actually like I like what they did here,
Speaker 1: So that's good. She's handling that in the way that
Speaker 1: she should. And I think, you know, she just has
Speaker 1: to move forward. And no one's going to remember this
Speaker 1: thing really already, but certainly in a matter of weeks
Speaker 1: everyone will have forgotten about it. But it is a
Speaker 1: first of all, the GOP leadership. Are these people just
Speaker 1: not very smart? Why was Katie Britt? Katie Britt was
Speaker 1: the choice because they think that she's a mom, so
Speaker 1: she'll appeal to suburban moms.
Speaker 2: That's not how this is going to work.
Speaker 1: The suburban moms that hate Trump. Let's be honest, they're
Speaker 1: not going to stop hating Trump. And there's no woman
Speaker 1: who's going to convince them, and certainly no VP candidate
Speaker 1: or senator who's going to convince them to stop hating Trump.
Speaker 2: It's just reality.
Speaker 1: The GOP likes to play identity politics, even though they're
Speaker 1: always saying we don't do identity politics, but they like
Speaker 1: to play the identity politics game sometimes.
Speaker 2: Now, oh we have to.
Speaker 1: This is the GOP mindset, you know, we have to
Speaker 1: have a woman or we have to have an individual
Speaker 1: who is a minority. Give the following speech so we
Speaker 1: can appeal to fill in the blank group. No GOP
Speaker 1: should be and conservatism must be about ideas about things
Speaker 1: that are true for all of us, regardless of what
Speaker 1: your skin color is, regardless of what your sex is.
Speaker 1: It's true for all of us because it is true. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what our principles, our policies or ideas have to
Speaker 1: be about that fundamental truth and not Oh but we
Speaker 1: change things based upon those characteristics that they are so
Speaker 1: obsessed with on the left, with the EI and all
Speaker 1: the rest of it. So I think that the GOP
Speaker 1: has to have a little bit of a wake up
Speaker 1: moment here. We never get credit, so to speak, politically,
Speaker 1: for representation. I mean, how many front page articles do
Speaker 1: you remember seeing about Condoliezer Rice, a black woman who
Speaker 1: was National Security advisor and then Secretary of.
Speaker 2: State under George W. Bush.
Speaker 1: How many times did you see her celebrated as you know,
Speaker 1: breaking glass ceilings and and you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: tributes from any corner of the media really to what
Speaker 1: Condoleizer Rice meant at that time. I'm breaking down barriers,
Speaker 1: none of that, none of that counted. They just say
Speaker 1: it doesn't count at all. The same way you don't
Speaker 1: read about the incredible legal mind and body of work
Speaker 1: of Justins claris a Justice Clarence Thomas, and how he
Speaker 1: is a truly great American, Yes, but a truly great
Speaker 1: Black American. The left never even refers to him when
Speaker 1: they talk about great black Americans, right, because they just
Speaker 1: they act like it doesn't count. If you're conservative, it
Speaker 1: doesn't count. And unfortunately this is true when it comes
Speaker 1: to voting. It doesn't move the needle. Oh we're going
Speaker 1: to have somebody who looks like the group that we
Speaker 1: want to vote for is, then the more of them
Speaker 1: will vote for us.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, you know, the latin the Latinos, and the the
Speaker 1: Blacks and.
Speaker 2: The women and the.
Speaker 1: Asians who are going to vote Republican are going to
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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, or they just despise Biden and
Speaker 1: the communist Democrats. But you know, it's about the stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not about Oh, we have more diversity and representation
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Speaker 1: So that's one lesson I think that's important to take
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Speaker 1: I guess they can hear it, can't really sniff it.
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of weird on radio, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They they know they know when people
Speaker 1: when you're really being untrue to yourself, it comes across,
Speaker 1: or at least it comes across to enough of the
Speaker 1: audience that he'll have problems. And Katie Britt would have
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Speaker 2: Best advice you ever got about radio.
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Speaker 2: None of that stuff.
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