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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A shock twist when a mom seeking a divorce is

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Speaker 2: stabbed dead just outside her divorce lawyer's office the eve

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Speaker 2: of trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland, Ohio. Elisa Sherman is a dedicated nurse and loving

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Speaker 3: mom of four, working hard to provide for her kids

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Speaker 3: while managing a messy divorce from her husband Sandford. After

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Speaker 3: her first attorney is suspended while handling her case, Elisa

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Speaker 3: finds another promising lawyer from the firm to deal with

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Speaker 3: her divorce, Gregory Moore.

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Speaker 2: Who stabbed this young mother, a beloved nurse, dead on

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Speaker 2: the eve of her divorce. Again, I'm Nancy Grace, and

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as in so many cases, let's start with

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Speaker 2: the nine one one call right now.

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Speaker 4: Raymond rain down as back as I could, and did

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Speaker 4: nobody arrival near her.

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Speaker 5: I don't help it, Timetime, that had no help, is

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Speaker 5: coming breathing normally.

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Speaker 6: No, she got blood coming out of her mouth. It

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Speaker 6: doesn't look normal at all.

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Speaker 7: Don't die, lady.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move a thigh, your thigh.

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Speaker 4: They're coming to promise they wouldn't be okay.

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Speaker 2: That from my friends at w O I O A

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Speaker 2: shocking turn of events in the last days as we

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Speaker 2: go to air tonight. But how does a young mom,

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Speaker 2: a beloved nurse at a clinic in Cleveland end up

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Speaker 2: stabbed dead on the side of the street. And let

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Speaker 2: me point out that this occurred on a Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Crime statistics show.

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Speaker 2: It is very rare that a case like this occurs

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon in broad daylight, her life in

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Speaker 2: front of her. This mom had everything going for her.

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Speaker 2: Why was she selected? We have no sex assault, we

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Speaker 2: have no robbery.

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Speaker 1: Why her? Why does she bleed out on the sidewalk?

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Speaker 2: It's straight out to doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief

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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth. Never a lack

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Speaker 2: of business there. He is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett

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Speaker 2: School of Medicine at TCU, and he is the star

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Speaker 2: of a hitting You podcast Mayhem and the more, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Crowns thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Did she ever have a chance?

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Speaker 2: Was there any way Eliza could have survived eleven stabs?

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Speaker 7: Leased somewhere the stab wounds were at she had two

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Speaker 7: in the neck, probably eight in the back. No, she

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Speaker 7: probably could not have survived that. The net wounds alone

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Speaker 7: were probably fatal because usually when you're stabbed in the

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Speaker 7: jugular vein. The fact that she has blood coming out

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Speaker 7: of her mouth either means her lungs have been compromised

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Speaker 7: by the stab wounds or the stab wounds to the

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Speaker 7: necks communicated into her windpiper trachia, and she is bleeding

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Speaker 7: directly into that. She had no chance of survival.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, you, of course are a medical doctor

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Speaker 2: who have performed thousands and thousands of autopsies, but not

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Speaker 2: everyone knows what kartid jugular trachea means.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain?

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Speaker 7: Sure, you have structures in your neck, the blood vessels

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Speaker 7: in your neck. The crotid artery is a branch off

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Speaker 7: quite profusely have cut. The jugular vein is actually the

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Speaker 7: venus return of the blood actually coming out of your brain.

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Speaker 7: So that's a big vein that goes back into the subject,

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Speaker 7: The trach is the windpipe or what you get oxygen

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's would her trike or trachia have filled up

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Speaker 7: It's a possibility if the crotit or jugular are stabbed

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now, you heard doctor Kiindle Crown's

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Speaker 2: Jan Lash, Eliza's best friend.

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Speaker 5: Jan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: very disturbing to relive what happened to Eliza at a

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Speaker 1: She's finally getting rid of that husband, who is like a.

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Speaker 2: Chain a cement block around her neck, cheating, stealing money.

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Speaker 2: And he's a doctor, for Pete's sake, you'd expect a

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Speaker 2: back on what happened to my fiance just before I

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Speaker 2: were wedding. Five shots to the neck, the back, the head,

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Speaker 2: the face. I don't like to think of it. I

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Speaker 2: hearing doctor Kendall Crowns describe what happened to Elisa and

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Speaker 2: she's just going to her divorce lawyer right on a

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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. How many times did I trudge to the

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Countless? I can't count how many. And on

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Speaker 2: It's a business district, right, What could have been safer, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, other than her hiding under her bed.

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Speaker 2: But jan to hear doctor Kendall Crowns talk about the

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Speaker 1: All the blood pomping from her a order.

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Speaker 2: It's like a water sprinkler that spurts on your front yard. Bam, bam, bam,

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Speaker 2: the blood potentially pouring into her trachea. And you hear

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Speaker 2: She says, she's got blood coming out of her mouth. No,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look normal at all. Have you allowed yourself

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Speaker 8: was sought after to murder, and she was alone except

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Speaker 9: Her earlier and she kept telling me that times were

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Speaker 9: I'm going downtown to meet My attorney has changed his

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Speaker 9: time so many times on me. But I have to

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Speaker 9: be there, and I didn't want her to go down

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Speaker 2: She wanted this divorce. She wanted this divorce.

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Speaker 10: She waited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: Such a dirt bag, but you know, you'd think it

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Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect family on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 11: Doctor Sandford Sherman is an optalmologist and his wife, Elisa,

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Speaker 11: nutscale Beechwood, Ohio and married for nearly thirty years. The

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Speaker 2: Children they've raised together. He is a doctrine ophthalmologist. They

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Speaker 2: live in a really ritzy area in Beechwood, Ohio. Married

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Speaker 2: nearly thirty years. Whoa, but of course looks are deceiving listen.

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Speaker 11: In the last eleven years of their married life, Beechwood

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Speaker 11: police have been called to the Sherman's home twenty two

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Speaker 12: The divorce of doctor Sandford Sherman and his wife of

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Speaker 12: three decades, Eliza Sherman, is going to be difficult with

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Speaker 12: accusations of infidelity and money changing accounts. Gregory Moore of

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Speaker 12: Stafford Law takes over her case.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, hold on just a moment. Difficult. That's certainly

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Speaker 2: putting perfume on the pig. The cheating, the stealing money,

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Speaker 2: to the tune of I know for a fact two

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Speaker 2: million dollars of back to Jan Lash. She wanted this

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Speaker 2: divorce and that makes me sad because this was her,

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Speaker 2: mister Wright, her dream guy. I mean, you know, she

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Speaker 2: caught the big one, right, A doctor, a beautiful home,

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Speaker 2: all that money, the four children.

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Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Right Jan? Well? One would think

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Speaker 1: who Jan was? He having the affair with dad?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, infidelity, money changing accounts, joining me as

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Speaker 2: I said an all star panel. Now, in addition to

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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crown's and longtime best friend, Jan Lash, Tiffany

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Speaker 2: Tucker is joining us renowned anchor nineteen E Woo on

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Speaker 2: the story from the beginning, and you can hear her

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Speaker 2: starting on a podcast, dark Side of the Land by

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Speaker 2: nineteen News. Tiffany, thank you for being with us. Tell

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Speaker 2: me about the husband. Now, I'm just gonna to go

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Speaker 1: But that's just me.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me what led to her going

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Speaker 2: about the husband and the divorce.

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Speaker 13: Well, Nant, I can tell you that this murder happened

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Speaker 13: just a few blocks from the nineteen News studio on

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Speaker 13: a cold Sunday, As you mentioned, there were no sports

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Speaker 13: teams in town. What we've learned, as you just mentioned

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Speaker 13: for some type of domestic dispute, Andford Sherman was well

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Speaker 13: known in the community, and Eliza wanted a divorce. She

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Speaker 13: wanted to start a new life. At the beginning, she

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Speaker 2: That's something I didn't know, you know, Tiffany, I've combed

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Speaker 2: over all these facts over and over. You're telling me

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Speaker 2: that she had on out and botany furniture. Me where

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 13: She was looking to do all that stuff. She was

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Speaker 13: So that is why she was meeting with Gregory Moore

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Speaker 13: because the trial for her divorce was the next day,

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Speaker 13: the next Monday. But it didn't happen, as you know,

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Speaker 13: because she was brutally murdered to stab eleven times outside

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to.

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Speaker 2: A shrink on that, Tiffany, But something you said just

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Speaker 2: struck a chord.

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Speaker 1: With me, you know.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to a colleague, a lawyer who has

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Speaker 2: represented so many defendants. Derek Smith is joining me, veteran

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer who actually knows the divorce lawyer in this case.

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Speaker 2: And you can find Derek at d W. Smith Legal Died. Derek, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to fight with you right now. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you about something very poignant that

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Speaker 2: Tiffany Tucker just said. And maybe it won't strike you

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Speaker 2: that way, But in so many cases that I had, Derek,

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Speaker 2: there would be just one fact that would just choke

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Speaker 2: there's one in every case I prosecuted. My first carjack

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Speaker 2: standing outside of his house, had just gotten out of his.

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Speaker 2: And was shutting the door, and the purp pulls up

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Speaker 2: Was actually hopeful, Derek, hopeful before she was stabbed eleven

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Speaker 1: Jan lash with me. This is Eliza's best friend.

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Speaker 2: Were you aware that police had been called to their

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Speaker 4: I'm at work right now, he dreaming. I ran down

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Speaker 2: At all from WIO and podcasts The Dark Side of

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Speaker 11: Attorney Moore text Elisa Sherman at two thirty PM asking

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Speaker 2: Who wanted Eliza dead, leaving behind four children to face

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Speaker 2: these facts are not adding up. We've got no rate,

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Speaker 2: we've got no sex attime, we've got no grabbing her pocketbook,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing. I've got nothing. It's a random attack.

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Speaker 2: Those are the worst cases to try to investigate, solve,

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Speaker 1: Why are you prosecuting him? It could have been anybody?

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Speaker 1: Phil will tell.

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Speaker 10: You that everything you just listed looking at those set

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Speaker 18: Tells me an awful lot about that scene.

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Speaker 10: So if we have no sexual assault, we have no

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Speaker 18: And the victim. So there's a lot really to glean

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Speaker 10: But I'll tell you what, that is the perfect scenario

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray, Tiffany Tucker with me soaking

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Speaker 2: in everything that fuel Water's homicide to take.

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Speaker 1: We've just said anchor nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Is Woio been on the case from the beginning. And

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Speaker 2: just tell me, because you walk this walk all the time,

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Speaker 18: In my mind for years.

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Speaker 2: The people that loved Eliza, least of all her four children, right,

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Speaker 1: There's never a good time to leave your children.

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Speaker 12: After the murder of his wife, doctor Sandford Sherman moves

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Speaker 1: He refuses to speak to police.

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Speaker 12: The suit by Jennifer Sherman, the daughter of Eliza, and

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Speaker 12: He allegedly made more than two million dollars in deposits

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Speaker 2: The husband moved her money jan last, did Eliza have

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Speaker 12: Doctor Sherman admitting to an extramarital affair a defamation lawsuit

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Speaker 12: involving an exotic dancer and a conversation where Sandford solicited

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Speaker 12: advice from a friend on how to commit the perfect murder,

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Speaker 12: where the friend suggests not using his own car, wearing

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Speaker 12: black from head to toe with gloves and head mask.

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Speaker 2: What, okay, stop everything, So let me understand. The husband,

444
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Speaker 2: the doctor is what dating an exotic dancer. I'm sure

445
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Speaker 2: she did not get her creative dancing degree at Julliard.

446
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Speaker 2: So he's dated an exotic dancer translation stripper, And let

447
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Speaker 2: me understand what I just heard. We find out that

448
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Speaker 2: he asked his friend about how to commit the perfect

449
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Speaker 2: murder and the friend tells him to wear all black,

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Speaker 2: wear a mask and gloves.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: To Derek Smith, veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney who's

453
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Speaker 2: no stranger to a domestic dispute case, Derek Smith is

454
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Speaker 2: the husband that stupid, He actually said those words.

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't he just take out a billboard on Third Avenue?

456
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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's one way to go about it, Nancy. But

458
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Speaker 14: as you know, it's not circumstances. It's not what you

459
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Speaker 14: think may or.

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Speaker 11: May not happen.

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Speaker 14: It's what you can prove and just him, you know,

462
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Speaker 14: exercising his curiosity, looking online to see certain things. I mean,

463
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Speaker 14: the vorses can get, can get very toxic, can get

464
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Speaker 14: for us rating, and your fantasies can get the best

465
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Speaker 14: of you. You start looking online and indulging these things,

466
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Speaker 14: it doesn't mean you're actually going to put it into

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Speaker 14: practice and go.

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Speaker 1: Ahead in toxic doubt.

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Speaker 2: Your indulging yourself, planning your wife's murder and what you're

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Speaker 2: going to wear to the affair while you're dating a

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Speaker 2: stripper and stealing money.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a little more.

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Speaker 2: Than just indulging his fantasies. And then he kicks it

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Speaker 2: off and dies.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 11: Doctor Sanford Sherman passed away in Florida, having moved there

477
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 11: shortly after his wife's murder. Sherman never cooperated with the

478
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Speaker 11: investigation into the death of his wife, Elisa, but the

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Speaker 11: Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation continues.

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Speaker 1: The cold case.

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Speaker 3: Murder of Alisa Sherman is not forgotten by the Cleveland Police,

482
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Speaker 3: as they have handled the investigation from the start, but

483
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Speaker 3: in an effort to get another set of investigators to

484
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Speaker 3: give the case a look, the case is turned over

485
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Speaker 3: to the Ohio Bureau of criminal Investigation. The BCI reinvestigates

486
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Speaker 3: every aspect of the unsolved homicide, and the investigation in

487
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Speaker 3: Elisa Sherman's death is active and ongoing.

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Speaker 2: So now, just to complicate everything, the husband kicks the

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Speaker 2: bucket and he never cooperated. He stole money, he dated

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Speaker 2: his tripper, He planned what to wear to the perfect murder,

491
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Speaker 2: right down to a t, and then dies before investigators

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Speaker 2: ever get anything out of Emmy lawyers up and clams up,

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Speaker 2: but then a lucky break.

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Speaker 11: Investigators get a lucky break when nearby surveillance footage is

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Speaker 11: found of the assailant dressed just as discussed by Ellie's husband,

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Speaker 11: doctor Samford Sherman, wearing black from head to toe, a

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Speaker 11: face mask and gloves. In fact, the disguise is so

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Speaker 11: complete cops can't make an idea of the killer.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars to fuel Waters joining me, Former homicide

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Speaker 2: detective Houston PD President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations. Phil, I

501
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Speaker 2: actually had a case where I had sails video and

502
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Speaker 2: even I, who really wanted to id the defendant, could

503
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Speaker 2: not make a visual idea. It was a bank robbery, right,

504
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: he has such a disguise. I couldn't even identify him.

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00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: Lucky for me, he was slew footed, walk like a duck,

506
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Speaker 2: and then he was stupid enough to take the stand

507
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Speaker 2: and walk like a duck right up to the witness stand.

508
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: I was so happy, twelve jurors, twenty four eyeballs hung

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Speaker 2: over the rail and watched him walk conviction. But in

510
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Speaker 2: this case, look at the video, Phil, there's no way

511
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Speaker 2: to id this guy.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about him. He's not slew footed, he's not.

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Speaker 2: Short, he's not tall, and he's totally decked out in black.

514
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Speaker 1: This was planned.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where you could not

516
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Speaker 2: id the defendant off surveillance video?

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Speaker 1: Phil Waters?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Yes, It is very frustrating for any detective that sees

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00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 10: sees the suspect, sees him there and can't put a

521
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Speaker 10: finger on them. You know this and again, but this

522
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 10: indicates the amount of planning that went into this attack. Now,

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Speaker 10: the only thing that I would look at this video

524
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Speaker 10: right that you might be able to derive from it

525
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Speaker 10: is the manner in which she's running.

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Speaker 18: So then you would have to have a viable suspect.

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Speaker 10: See if you can get them into a running mode

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Speaker 10: and make a comparison.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that. In fact, on this one film.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot like the Missy Beavers case.

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Speaker 2: I can't really tell if it's a man or a

532
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: woman problem. But then whoa, whoa whoa Wait, stop everything listen.

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Speaker 12: Investigators tracing Lisa Sherman's activities for the day show. She

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Speaker 12: was in downtown Cleveland to meet with attorney More. At

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Speaker 12: three fifty seven pm, Sherman texts that she has left

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Speaker 12: and asks More, I left and will wait call me

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Speaker 12: when you get there. A Lisa missus a call from

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Speaker 12: More around four fifteen and texts him back, apologizing at

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Speaker 12: four nineteen, telling her attorney she will wait in her

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Speaker 12: car until she hears from Not hearing from More, Eliza

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Speaker 12: sends another text at five thirteen PM, asking if More

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Speaker 12: will be there soon.

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Speaker 11: It's getting cold, she says. He replies at five point fifteen.

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Speaker 7: Been here.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 11: They found a number of bomb threats called into area

547
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Speaker 11: courthouses that had one thing in common courthouses where Gregory

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00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 11: Moore was scheduled to represent a client. The lawyer for

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Speaker 11: Eliza Sherman placed three phone calls to the Cuyahoga County

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Speaker 11: Old Courthouse on July tenth, stating a bomb was set

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Speaker 11: to explode at eleven thirty am. Moore also called bomb

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Speaker 11: threats into the Jiaga County Courthouse and Lake County Courthouse.

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Speaker 11: In each case, Moore had a case scheduled before the

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Speaker 11: court on the day the threat was called in, causing

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Speaker 11: a delay in the case.

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Speaker 2: To Tiffany Tucker joining us from wo Io, anchor nineteen

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Speaker 2: News explained to me her own divorce attorney had been

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Speaker 2: calling in bomb threats when he needed a continuance.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we reported that he would make these bomb threats

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00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 13: three to be more specific, because he wasn't prepared for

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Speaker 13: his case. He had a reputation of not being prepared.

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Speaker 13: So investigators saying, that's what he did. He called it

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Speaker 13: in so that he would have more time in those cases.

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Speaker 1: So that's what Gregory Moore did. Investigator said, Derek Smith, you.

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Speaker 2: Know this guy, this is the guy that has been

566
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Speaker 2: calling in multiple bomb threats to multiple courthouses whenever he's

567
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Speaker 2: not ready.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, you.

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Speaker 14: Know, sometimes you can get a little overloaded with some

570
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 14: facts and some issues in a case, or with you know,

571
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Speaker 14: an abundance of clients. But to be to be that

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Speaker 14: unprepared to go to these lengths to kind of delay

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Speaker 14: court proceedings. Yeah, that's a little bit much. It's also,

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Speaker 14: I mean a bit of a stretch to shit to

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Speaker 14: that level where you're doing it multiple times. And now

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Speaker 14: I've seen those reports. I've heard those reports, and there's

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Speaker 14: definitely better ways to go about requesting continuance and authorizing

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Speaker 14: it through the court properly. However he thought of these instances,

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Speaker 14: he had to go to another degree on those matters.

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Speaker 2: So we're developing a track record here, Derek.

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Speaker 1: We're developing a track.

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Speaker 2: Record and the track record is whenever the lawyer, Greg

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Speaker 2: Moore is not ready to go forward with plenty of warning,

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Speaker 2: and he had already been paid one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: to handle this divorce for Elisa, one hundred grand.

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Speaker 1: And he's not ready. There was no way I could get.

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Speaker 2: In front of my judge and say, oh I'm not ready. No,

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Speaker 2: I would be held in contempt. So he would call

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00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: in bomb threats multiple times. Well, that was followed by

590
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: an intense police investigation. The divorce attorney that Eliza trusted

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Speaker 2: now wanted as a fugitive.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Josh Lao, Supervisory Deputy US Marshall, Northern District of Ohio

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Speaker 2: who actually apprehended Gregory Moore.

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Speaker 1: Josh Lao, thank you for being with us. Tell me

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Speaker 1: what happened. I assume he had fled the jurisdiction.

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00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: So, on Friday May second, the Marshall Service was asked

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Speaker 19: to get involved in this investigation. The Ohio Bureau of

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Speaker 19: Criminal Investigation reached out to us.

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Speaker 15: And I said that they had a fresh warrant for

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Speaker 15: Gregory Moore stemming from the incident from twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 19: From there, we took over the apprehension responsibility for mister

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Speaker 19: More and we handled this similar to how.

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Speaker 15: We handle most of our fugitives.

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Speaker 19: We started digging into known addresses, family and padams of

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Speaker 19: life for it. Our initial information that we had developed

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Speaker 19: was that he had a residence in Sagamore Hills.

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Speaker 15: Ohio, that he was saying that with his family on

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Speaker 15: that day on Friday.

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Speaker 19: We started looking into that address and we actually discovered

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Speaker 19: that mister Moore and his family were not home.

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Speaker 15: There was a little out of the norm for them,

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Speaker 15: and so then we.

615
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Speaker 19: Started digging into other avenues investigatively, and we had figured

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Speaker 19: out that mister Moore had actually gotten on a flight

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Speaker 19: that morning uh, and he then.

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Speaker 15: Traveled to Austin, Texas. So our first thought was why Texas.

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00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 19: You know, why is he going to Texas as a

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Speaker 19: coincidence or is you know, is he is he trying

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Speaker 19: to flee? So we started digging into Texas with him

622
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Speaker 19: with his family, and we ended up figuring out that

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Speaker 19: he actually has family in near.

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Speaker 15: The Austin, Texas area, a suburb of called round Rock.

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Speaker 19: From there, we passed off our investigation to our counterparts

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Speaker 19: in Austin, Texas. Marshall Service does nationwide reach, and that's

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Speaker 19: what we did in the situation. We said to the

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Speaker 19: guys there and they were able to get eyes on

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Speaker 19: him and actually arrest him in a place in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 19: the eight thousand block of corner would.

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Speaker 2: Drive what happened when you finally apprehended him.

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Speaker 19: So there was no drama involved with the arrest, he complied.

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Speaker 19: I think he was caught off guard a little bit,

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Speaker 19: to be honest with Like I said, initially, we didn't

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Speaker 19: understand why he was in Texas. I genuinely believe that

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Speaker 19: it was a coincidence that he had left to go

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Speaker 19: see family that day.

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Speaker 15: We have no indication put.

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Speaker 2: Him up Josh, Wow, Wait a minute, So he calls

640
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: in multiple bomb threats, He lies to police about where

641
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: he was at the time Eliza was getting stabbed in the.

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Speaker 1: Front of his law office.

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Speaker 2: Then we find out all the other evidence, the one

644
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: That she had been paid, the fact that he had a.

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Speaker 2: Track record calling outrageous stunts when he wasn't ready to

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Speaker 2: go forward with a trial. And you think he was

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Speaker 2: gone as a coincidence.

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 15: Well, like I said, we didn't know you You could

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Speaker 15: look at it either way.

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Speaker 19: Either way, he wasn't in Ohio, where he'd been staying

652
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Speaker 19: consistently in that morning. He had fled or left, whatever

653
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Speaker 19: way you want to look at it. But he wasn't

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Speaker 19: in Ahile.

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Speaker 15: And he was definitely in another state.

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Speaker 19: But I guys were able to figure out where he

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Speaker 19: was at.

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Speaker 6: Work right now.

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Speaker 5: I heard her adreaming.

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Speaker 4: I ran down the back as I could and did

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Speaker 4: nobody rubbing me her.

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Speaker 5: Get it and help it time. It had no help.

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Speaker 5: It coming breathing normally.

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Speaker 6: No, she's got blood coming out of her mouth. It

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Speaker 6: doesn't look normal at all.

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Speaker 2: W o IO podcast Dark Side of the Land.

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Speaker 11: In a secret indictment, former attorney for Eliza Sherman, Gregory Moore,

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Speaker 11: is charged with one count of aggravated murder, one count

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Speaker 11: of conspiracy, six counts of murder, and two counts of kidnapping.

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Speaker 11: More allegedly plotted for months to kidnap or attack Elisa Sherman,

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Speaker 11: all to prevent the divorce case from getting in front

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Speaker 11: of a judge. Having been warned there would not be

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Speaker 11: another continuance. Moore had used bomb threats to prevent other

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Speaker 11: cases from being heard. This time, it is alleged he

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Speaker 11: murdered his own client to prevent the case from going

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Speaker 11: to court.

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Speaker 2: Jane ash Joining me, Eliza's best friend for.

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Speaker 1: Many, many years.

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Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you found out the husband,

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Speaker 2: the cheating husband, had nothing to do with her murder,

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Speaker 2: that it was her own divorce lawyer.

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Speaker 8: I can only say that I'm relieved for her children.

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Speaker 8: It would be horrible to think that your father murdered

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Speaker 8: your mother.

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Speaker 2: You're right to doctor John delatorre joining us, renowned psychologist,

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Speaker 2: to live with the thought your father murdered your mother. Basically, ever, money,

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Speaker 2: it's something you carry around the rest of your life.

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Speaker 2: But a lawyer, a divorce lawyer, your confidante murdering you,

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Speaker 2: stabbing you eleven times, as you heard doctor Kimdall Crown's described,

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Speaker 2: and the juggular in the crotd in the back because

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Speaker 2: he's not ready to go to trial.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, your attorney is supposed to be your safe place, right.

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Speaker 16: When the entire system is against you, when another person

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Speaker 16: is against you, when it's some business, whatever entity is

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Speaker 16: against you. Your attorney is supposed to be the place

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Speaker 16: where you can be safe. Their attorney is supposed to

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Speaker 16: be your zealous advocate against every enemy that you are facing.

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Speaker 16: He is the one person he or she, they, they

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Speaker 16: are the one person that you are supposed to be

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Speaker 16: able to count on that you can be your most

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Speaker 16: vulnerable with that, you can tell the truth and they

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Speaker 16: will listen and they will be on your side. To

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Speaker 16: have that the authority just just just shifted and corrupted,

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Speaker 16: and you put in a position where you trust someone

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Speaker 16: only for them so look.

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Speaker 17: You in the eye as they stab you to death

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Speaker 17: is disturbing in a way.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine Tiffany Tucker joining me anchor nineteen e's

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Speaker 2: WIO what happens now, Tiffany.

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Speaker 13: But what happens now is that fifty one year old

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Speaker 13: Gregory Moore right now is in a jail just outside

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Speaker 13: of Austin, Texas. He has scheduled May fourteenth to have

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Speaker 13: his extradition hearing. Then he is also scheduled to be

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Speaker 13: here in Cleveland, Ohio just a few days later May sixteenth.

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Speaker 13: Will he will answer to those ten counts that we

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Speaker 13: saw in that indictment, as you mentioned, aggravated murder, six

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Speaker 13: counts of murder, kidnapping, conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: He will have his day in.

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Speaker 13: Court, and we are told we will learn more information

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Speaker 13: about this case on that day, A case that is

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Speaker 13: really shaken at this community, a community who so very

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Speaker 13: much loved Lisa Sherman, the fertility nurse from Cleveland Clinic,

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Speaker 13: a nurse who was looking to start a new life,

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Speaker 13: looking to start brand new, looking to rid of all

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Speaker 13: the paths that she had dealt with in terms of

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Speaker 13: family and friends, saying that there were domestic violence issues

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Speaker 13: in the home. This was her way out. Of course,

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Speaker 13: Griggy Moore will have his day in court. Whether he

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Speaker 13: pleads guilty or not remains to be a mystery. We'll

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Speaker 13: find out shortly next week if in fact he is

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Speaker 13: found guilty of these charges. Nancy I'm told he could

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Speaker 13: get up to life in prison without a possibility approval.

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Speaker 2: Out to you, Attorney Gregory Moore. Ohio still has the

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Speaker 2: death penalty.

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Speaker 1: Although they rarely use it. So settling. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be a bumpy ride.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,