Speaker 1: Hey friends, I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and
Speaker 1: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast and we have.
Speaker 2: An extra special long interview with our Challenge USA two winners,
Speaker 2: Dunta du Da. Okay, so we want to get right
Speaker 2: into that ACE app So we're gonna just do a
Speaker 2: quick dive into our gold Star and Timeouts tour. Let's
Speaker 2: start with you, man, who would you say is your
Speaker 2: gold star? Let's do the episode and then do have
Speaker 2: the season. Cool?
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, gold star? Yeah, gold star of the episode.
Speaker 1: O God, I'm gonna give it to Corey Okay, because
Speaker 1: he came back from what looked like to be absolute destruction.
Speaker 1: Like it looked like he was not coming back from
Speaker 1: that five minute like deficit.
Speaker 3: I thought he was toast so to even come in
Speaker 3: second place. And also we haven't had him on the podcast.
Speaker 3: So let's show Corey a little love right now. I'm
Speaker 3: going Corey give him my star for the episode what
Speaker 3: about You?
Speaker 2: My star for the episode is actually TJ. And it's
Speaker 2: not his wardrobe, his support and energy the way you
Speaker 2: see TJ. People don't know this, but a lot of
Speaker 2: times I feel like in previous years, TJ really is
Speaker 2: supportive of the cast. He can be hard on us,
Speaker 2: but he's also like really rooting for you. But you
Speaker 2: don't get to see that all the time on the
Speaker 2: show just because there's only so many minutes in an episode.
Speaker 2: But seeing him really cheer on and almost like giddy,
Speaker 2: like giddy TJ when Chris crossed the finish line and
Speaker 2: he's so excited about Daisy's winning, just everyone finishing is
Speaker 2: really beautiful to see because TJ is the dad, he's
Speaker 2: the dad for us all and the challenge and just
Speaker 2: making him proud and seeing him happy and really rooting
Speaker 2: for you, I think it's just super magical. And again,
Speaker 2: TJ's always so chill and cool, so seeing him like
Speaker 2: a giddy school boy is just great. So TJ is
Speaker 2: my gold star of the episode what about You? For
Speaker 2: time Out of the episode?
Speaker 1: Time Out goes to FeSi because he knew he missed
Speaker 1: that yax and he decided to just try to hide it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if production doesn't have a thousand cameras on us, so listen.
Speaker 1: I think he had a great season all around, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from him as
Speaker 1: a challenger, but on that moment right there, like the
Speaker 1: phrase if you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Speaker 2: It did not pay off. Yes, it doesn't work in
Speaker 2: this game. Usually. I'm gonna have to agree with you
Speaker 2: on that timeout. Initially I was gonna say I had
Speaker 2: no timeouts, but actually I forgot about that one thousand
Speaker 2: percent right, He's definitely the timeout. Who I'll tell you
Speaker 2: my gold star of the season. My gold star of
Speaker 2: the season, actually, okay, is the entire cast. And this
Speaker 2: is why I think this. I said it from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I started feeling it early on. I say it to
Speaker 2: everyone I meet out in like the real worlds now. Still,
Speaker 2: this is one of the best seasons. I think it
Speaker 2: was such a balanced cast. My emotions were everywhere the
Speaker 2: whole time. You guys really did a number on me.
Speaker 2: But because there are moments where it seemed like the
Speaker 2: bets were all going to be wiped out. There are
Speaker 2: moments where it seemed like the rookies were they're gonna
Speaker 2: be the ones you liked, We're gonna be wiped out.
Speaker 2: It's just every It was balanced. It was great. It
Speaker 2: was smart gameplay. It was so good you couldn't easily
Speaker 2: predict or at least I couldn't who was going to
Speaker 2: make it to the end, and I really love that
Speaker 2: everyone gave it there all. There was some unnecessary screaming
Speaker 2: in the early episodes, but they got eliminated soon. But
Speaker 2: other than that, I feel like it was a really
Speaker 2: amazing season. So gold Star to the entire cast. What
Speaker 2: about you?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I'm going to give out a more
Speaker 1: specific gold Star, and I want to give it to
Speaker 1: two people who didn't actually get the chance to win.
Speaker 1: On the female side, I think Chanelle and Mikayla, also
Speaker 1: Desi as well, but she gets the whole truck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like we'll save the trophy for Desi. But also
Speaker 1: Mikayla and Chanell really absolutely dominated, and especially Mikayla for
Speaker 1: leaving after the first elimination on her first season. For
Speaker 1: her to go all the way to the final like
Speaker 1: that is incredible and she really got to show how
Speaker 1: good of an athlete she is and how strong she is,
Speaker 1: And so I got to give it to Chanelle and
Speaker 1: Michaela and Howers.
Speaker 2: Mikayla is through fear, right, I mean we saw she
Speaker 2: was paralyzed with fear and yet utilize that somehow to
Speaker 2: come out on top. That's really amazing. This was sort
Speaker 2: of a comeback story for both her and DESI really
Speaker 2: and an Encore. They're both queen of the Encores. Who's
Speaker 2: your time out of the season?
Speaker 3: Oh god, this is tricky.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you know yours? I actually don't think there really is.
Speaker 2: One, Like I feel like it was a good of anything. Actually,
Speaker 2: I would say, I want to see more behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I want to see shit they should have shown. I
Speaker 2: want to see I want to see these funny moments.
Speaker 2: I want to see, you know, the story behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: stories like I love having everyone come on the podcast
Speaker 2: and having you like spill some of the tea. But
Speaker 2: I know there's more behind that and fun behind that,
Speaker 2: and so that's my time out. I want to make
Speaker 2: that happen. We want more, we want more.
Speaker 1: Yes, And also, can we touch on your predictions from
Speaker 1: last week's episode, because you were fifty percent right?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's kind of like what happens when I play the lottery.
Speaker 2: I win, but I win to go. I want to
Speaker 2: get all the numbers. But yes, I'm so excited for
Speaker 2: both winners. I think both well deserved. I honestly think
Speaker 2: everybody who made it to the final I was rooting
Speaker 2: for in some way or the other. DESI I don't know,
Speaker 2: just I she pulled on my heart strings with USA one.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I really did believe that she would
Speaker 2: have been the winner. Not to take anything away from Sarah,
Speaker 2: but I certainly think it would have been neck and
Speaker 2: neck if she had been able to go further if
Speaker 2: it weren't for her partner. So seeing her and I
Speaker 2: know that affected her so much, and so seeing her
Speaker 2: come out on top, like my heart was just with it.
Speaker 2: I also felt like she played a pretty straight game
Speaker 2: from like a humble perspective the whole time, like she
Speaker 2: didn't really get into much, and so it was just
Speaker 2: beautiful seeing her make it to that point. And then Chris,
Speaker 2: I mean, say what you want to say, like it
Speaker 2: was deserved because Chris took out half the cast, so
Speaker 2: at that point, damn, he should win. I'm very proud
Speaker 2: of Chris, and I definitely think he deserved to win.
Speaker 3: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to hear what they have to say
Speaker 1: because it was awesome to watch them in person. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the last leg of the final,
Speaker 1: but now I get to hear about it from them,
Speaker 1: So I say, we have them on and we just
Speaker 1: let them tell us.
Speaker 3: How it went.
Speaker 2: Ooh, and you guys, trust me, are not gonna want
Speaker 2: to miss this. There is all sorts of stuff there is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that, like Drake just came out
Speaker 2: with an album, but there's a song you're not gonna
Speaker 2: want to miss here, some behind the scenes, a lot
Speaker 2: of good stuff, and we really get to hear the
Speaker 2: stories from the winners of how they were feeling, how
Speaker 2: this journey was for them, and what it really meant
Speaker 2: to them. So if you're a Challenge fan at all,
Speaker 2: which of course you are because you're here, you are
Speaker 2: not going to want to miss this interview. So stay
Speaker 2: tuned because coming right up, we have our challenge USAY
Speaker 2: Season two winners.
Speaker 4: Woo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this. All right, everyone, please
Speaker 2: welcome your challenge USAY two champions, Chris Underwood and Daisy Williams. Yes, yo, guys,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that was beautiful. Just hold on, it
Speaker 2: was beautiful. Good job games, well played, amazing. You both
Speaker 2: overcame so much. Did you realistically did you think you'd
Speaker 2: get here? Like, did you think that you'd make it
Speaker 2: to this point in this particular season as the champions.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we both came in hopeful.
Speaker 5: I think a lot that was behind the scenes, and
Speaker 5: you can like tell me if I'm over sharing Chris,
Speaker 5: But Chris and I were kind of working together undercover
Speaker 5: from the very beginning of this game, Like as soon
Speaker 5: as we got to Croatia, we were like, the two
Speaker 5: of us can ride this thing all the way out.
Speaker 5: Let's have a secret alliance that nobody really knows about.
Speaker 2: Wait. Wait, did you guys know each other before that? Like,
Speaker 2: were you close before this at all?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: We never We never met.
Speaker 2: Now, so what what inspired this? Why did you two
Speaker 2: decide to link up so early in the game?
Speaker 6: I personally, for me, I think that from watching the
Speaker 6: first season of the Challenge, I just I knew that
Speaker 6: Desie was a badass and if I could link arms
Speaker 6: up with her, it would be it would be in
Speaker 6: my favor. We come from Survivor. We you know, we
Speaker 6: connected right off the bat. We had really good energy
Speaker 6: and you know from the from the get I and
Speaker 6: I kind of always had said this, there was there's
Speaker 6: really a couple of people that I in the beginning
Speaker 6: of the game as you're developing relationships, wanted to look
Speaker 6: out for as best as I could, And it was Desi,
Speaker 6: it was Michelle, and then it was Tory for for
Speaker 6: the a lot of the beginning of that game. And
Speaker 6: so I just I didn't have any necessarily going into
Speaker 6: the game. Uh, I'm going to go be survivors strong,
Speaker 6: going to be like this other you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go play with the vets I did. I was playing
Speaker 6: the middle game like I was. But yeah, one of them.
Speaker 2: You hit it pretty well at times.
Speaker 4: A very debatable toy.
Speaker 2: Did you know Chris and Desi had this sort of
Speaker 2: underlying alliance.
Speaker 1: Well, just to speak to what Chris was saying, in
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the game, we were on Blue
Speaker 1: Team together and he was trying to create an alliance
Speaker 1: between myself and Desi and Michaela and there was there's
Speaker 1: there was conversations with us trying to make that happen.
Speaker 1: It took a few battles for it to finally get there,
Speaker 1: but I did know that they were working together. But
Speaker 1: then also once that the game shifted and everyone kind
Speaker 1: of turned their back on Chris, Desi was the person
Speaker 1: who was finally like, actually, I am going to look
Speaker 1: out for Chris.
Speaker 3: So looking at it now.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, you can you can see what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I don't think it was that obvious
Speaker 1: in the house though.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, and that was all done purposefully because I
Speaker 5: had everybody else was like, Chris is sketched, and I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, Chris is totally sketched.
Speaker 4: Yes, Chris, but I'm not going to vote for him, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was exacinitely something that I think we
Speaker 5: were hopeful that we could pull it out together. And
Speaker 5: we have a mutual friend. So I think going into
Speaker 5: the game, our mutual friend was like, Chris is a
Speaker 5: good guy. Like, don't listen to what everybody says about him, Like,
Speaker 5: Chris is a good guy. So I kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: trusted that friends judgment. I was like, I want to
Speaker 5: work with Chris. As he got further into the game, nep.
Speaker 2: Friend DESI like, it's code you keep saying this friend
Speaker 2: that that mutual friend, who's the mutual his Bryce.
Speaker 6: We'll give him a shout out. Bryce Isaiah isa Sis
Speaker 6: your wife you.
Speaker 4: Know from the Purple Pants podcast.
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to take Bryce to dinner or
Speaker 2: have you your he's.
Speaker 5: Your mutual friend and I've seen Bryce since we've talked
Speaker 5: on the phone a toime. I haven't seen him yet,
Speaker 5: but he should be in LA in December.
Speaker 2: I have to go to a dinner happen.
Speaker 1: What did it feel like when you guys like finally,
Speaker 1: like that was a rough day the last elimination, Chris,
Speaker 1: you locked it in and DESSI you didn't have to
Speaker 1: go into the last elimination, but when you finally found
Speaker 1: out you were going back to the final DOSSI, what
Speaker 1: was it like for you to turn? And then Chris,
Speaker 1: what was it like for you to know that you
Speaker 1: were making it there after the ridiculous season you had
Speaker 1: to go through.
Speaker 3: I guess Dasi will start with you.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I have.
Speaker 5: I have the worst case of imposter syndrome, and I
Speaker 5: mean you see it throughout this entire season.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm here, but do I deserve to
Speaker 4: be here? I won? But do I deserve to win?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: I don't know what in my.
Speaker 5: Past has created that for me, but I think that
Speaker 5: was just another realization that I deserve to be there,
Speaker 5: like the first time, like it could have happened by chance.
Speaker 5: It could have been luck, but for it to happen
Speaker 5: two seasons in a row, it felt like I was
Speaker 5: where I was supposed to be. And I even went
Speaker 5: back and forth about whether or not to even do
Speaker 5: this season based upon Season one.
Speaker 4: So it was it was a really true confirmation that
Speaker 4: I was exactly where I was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: It was like, even though you crushed it so much
Speaker 2: in season one, challenge you to say season one, I mean,
Speaker 2: anyone looking at you, you you crushed it so much,
Speaker 2: and we're such a fighter, and obviously you can't control
Speaker 2: who you get partnered with all the time. That's kind
Speaker 2: of part of the game. You were doubting your ability
Speaker 2: or your desire to come back exactly.
Speaker 4: Because you haven't made the challenge before.
Speaker 2: I know, but that's the thing, is like you weren't
Speaker 2: the weaker one of the do You didn't quit, you
Speaker 2: didn't give up, and you made it so far. And
Speaker 2: I said last season or on season one of USA,
Speaker 2: that I thought that if you had made it, that
Speaker 2: there was a good chance you would have won. So
Speaker 2: to hear that you didn't jump at this sort of
Speaker 2: knowing already, I feel like you had an advantage in
Speaker 2: the sense you had a test run of just your
Speaker 2: prowess and how strong you are. It's interesting to hear
Speaker 2: sort of the humility and maybe the lack of awareness,
Speaker 2: and I say this with kindness of just how talented
Speaker 2: you are and that you were potentially not even going
Speaker 2: to come on this season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I appreciate you saying that, But
Speaker 5: I think there's also the flip side of that, where
Speaker 5: it's like, when you do so well your first season,
Speaker 5: then people expect you to always perform that well.
Speaker 2: I had two finals and two seasons. I get it.
Speaker 5: So then it's like, but if I don't make it
Speaker 5: to the final, and then everybody's like, see that you
Speaker 5: shouldn't have been there, you.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you read the comments the fans can
Speaker 4: come up with, never anything.
Speaker 2: Actually taught me that.
Speaker 6: Ye. It's just brutal.
Speaker 1: It's a brutal place to exist, and it doesn't belong
Speaker 1: in your mental matrix, you know, amen.
Speaker 2: Chris, did you ever suffer from that at all where
Speaker 2: you felt like, I mean, we definitely saw your struggle
Speaker 2: and yours was a little different, it seemed because people
Speaker 2: turned on you right like people were coming at you
Speaker 2: I love in this episode when they show the montage
Speaker 2: and you say, you know, when you're trying to figure
Speaker 2: out the order of who got eliminated, and you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I can remember I got the ones unlock
Speaker 2: of the ones I sent home. And then it's this
Speaker 2: montage of just these heavy hitters that are like, Chris
Speaker 2: eliminated them, Chris eliminated them, like all these people that
Speaker 2: you went through, which is just seriously, like, you should
Speaker 2: just take that clip and put it on your social media.
Speaker 2: That and of itself like speaks volumes forever. But did
Speaker 2: you ever have a moment of imposter syndrome or feeling like,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I look strong, Yes I'm doing all
Speaker 2: these eliminations, But or were you? Were you more like
Speaker 2: was your struggle something all together different?
Speaker 6: That's a great question. I think I just from the
Speaker 6: very beginning, I wanted to prove that I was a
Speaker 6: strong challenger. I was a strong competitor. Coming off of
Speaker 6: my Survivor's season was difficult, and I had to navigate
Speaker 6: that in my own way because I just I did
Speaker 6: feel very undeserving after that win. Coming into this season,
Speaker 6: I was trying to be my most authentic self as
Speaker 6: best I could. You know, obviously this is a game
Speaker 6: of politicking, but I didn't hold anything back. And then
Speaker 6: as the season went on, it just got so it
Speaker 6: was really an emotionally taxing stethen. For me, it was
Speaker 6: really really hard because I did feel like my back
Speaker 6: was against the wall for so many days and then
Speaker 6: I mean, you just you're living in that like what
Speaker 6: the hell am I doing? Like what is this even
Speaker 6: worth it? And I was just going back It's like
Speaker 6: is this even worth it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 6: You know what I remembered though, is when I went
Speaker 6: out the season, all I wanted to do from the
Speaker 6: very beginning was like I just want to make it
Speaker 6: worth it. Every single experience, everything, opportunity, you know, all
Speaker 6: of this. I want to make it worth it because
Speaker 6: I'm leaving a lot to be here. I'm leaving a business.
Speaker 6: I'm leaving you know, as a father, as a husband,
Speaker 6: is a lot of people who depend on me. It's
Speaker 6: just like every single day I made that decisions like
Speaker 6: no matter what, no matter how far I get, I'm
Speaker 6: going to give it every single bounce of energy, like
Speaker 6: I'm not coming back, Like this is my one and
Speaker 6: only season and I'm not coming back. So I'm going
Speaker 6: to make every single second worth it, and I'm going
Speaker 6: to I'm going to die out there, like I'm going
Speaker 6: to give it everything.
Speaker 3: Is this your retirement season?
Speaker 2: Yes? Say are you?
Speaker 6: Are you now? Yeah? Who knows? There's so many Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm sure down the road, you know, you may see
Speaker 6: me again. But it's just it's got to be calculated
Speaker 6: because I am you know, I do have so much
Speaker 6: going on back home. But I just played every day.
Speaker 6: I was like this is I'm playing like I'm not
Speaker 6: coming back. And and that's the thing of the challenge.
Speaker 6: I think some people play like they're coming back, So
Speaker 6: you make strategies like you're coming back, and you make
Speaker 6: you know, you know, you make decisions based on who
Speaker 6: am I going to piss off or not piss off
Speaker 6: because I may see them two or five or next season.
Speaker 6: Like I just played like I'm not coming back, So
Speaker 6: I'm going to give it.
Speaker 2: Why you were like if y'all in some of those
Speaker 2: episodes basically and not caring about it because you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm not coming back, so you can kick rocks? Is
Speaker 2: that you?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah good? I mean whether that's a good
Speaker 6: a smart move or not a smart movie. Well, w
Speaker 6: I won, Yeah, I won. I just I needed to.
Speaker 6: I needed to tap into like my inner war year
Speaker 6: and I think I did that.
Speaker 5: And Chris, you kind of went by like a landslide.
Speaker 5: I think you tell us, like, how how long were
Speaker 5: you at the top of the mountain before anybody else
Speaker 5: showed up?
Speaker 4: It was you were there for a minute. I was.
Speaker 6: I was there for a good twenty to thirty minutes.
Speaker 6: I made it my I wanted to crush their souls.
Speaker 6: I knew that I was ahead, and I, in spite
Speaker 6: of being pretty far ahead, I just put it. I
Speaker 6: have pictured bananas. I pictured the back the back of
Speaker 6: Banana's head one hundred yards in front of me the
Speaker 6: entire time.
Speaker 4: So I was.
Speaker 6: Chasing a may believe version of Corey and Bananas and
Speaker 6: Bessie in front of me by one hundred yards the
Speaker 6: entire race.
Speaker 1: Amazing funny story after we after you know, I get
Speaker 1: purged on the axe driving around and we get back
Speaker 1: to the hotel where production holds us, and like the
Speaker 1: day goes by, and like we get a little information
Speaker 1: that possibly you won, but only because one of the
Speaker 1: camera operators was saying that the camera.
Speaker 3: Guy following you.
Speaker 1: Chris couldn't keep up because that's how fast you were pushing.
Speaker 1: And that says a lot because these camera operators are
Speaker 1: so talented.
Speaker 2: They literally do the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do insane tracks and for you to be
Speaker 1: out running them, obviously they have a massive camera on them,
Speaker 1: but still like that just.
Speaker 6: Goes I the rock the camera. I'm like, come on, cameraman,
Speaker 6: you gotta keep up.
Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's go.
Speaker 6: I'm like motivating the cameraman while I'm running up this mountain.
Speaker 2: I love that, Chris, you mentioned throughout the season sort
Speaker 2: of and even when you first got on this interview
Speaker 2: about there being questions around whether or not you deserve
Speaker 2: to win survivor right, are you feeling maybe like others
Speaker 2: didn't think that you necessarily deserved to win and you
Speaker 2: really wanted to prove that you deserve to be here
Speaker 2: and you deserve to win. How did you watching this
Speaker 2: episode and during the competition, seeing FESSI say in his
Speaker 2: talking head interview that Chris is proving himself time and
Speaker 2: time again and that you were, you know, the person
Speaker 2: he was concerned, like most concerned about. And then how
Speaker 2: did it feel hearing tjsay when you won. You deserve that, Like,
Speaker 2: what were those moments like for you?
Speaker 6: They were? They really were priceless. The one thing I
Speaker 6: just one thing I love about FESSI is he's just
Speaker 6: one of those guys where like game respects game, and
Speaker 6: he knew that I was. My back was against the
Speaker 6: wall the entire time. And despite us having you know,
Speaker 6: this this front of an alliance, because I was, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm a rookie at it, I didn't go back and
Speaker 6: watch every single episode of the challenge before going out there.
Speaker 6: And that was a huge blunder of mine, thinking that
Speaker 6: I could you know, infiltrate this this that alliance and
Speaker 6: kind of behind the scenes. That's something that I talked
Speaker 6: about a lot towards the end game. But as I
Speaker 6: continued to push myself and win elimination after elimination and
Speaker 6: then the last two individual challenge wins, to hear people
Speaker 6: like Bananas be like, dude, you're you're in uncharted territory,
Speaker 6: like this isn't this isn't normal, and you're you're doing
Speaker 6: something special. And to hear FESTI like, dude, I threw
Speaker 6: you in time and time again, and you showed you
Speaker 6: showed me up and and respect and props to you,
Speaker 6: like you know, competitor to competitor, and then TJ in
Speaker 6: one of the eliminations, was like, Chris, you either have
Speaker 6: to win or you're going in. You win or go
Speaker 6: in and in referring to the arena, Yeah, at the
Speaker 6: end of the game. And that was just like that
Speaker 6: was my mindset in those last two individual Challenge wins.
Speaker 6: So when I got to the top and TJ gives
Speaker 6: me this massive plug and he's like smiling ear to
Speaker 6: ear and like you're a real and teach this is
Speaker 6: this is special. This is like a special moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was absolutely beautiful. There's so so many questions
Speaker 2: about this whole thing, Tori, I have I have to
Speaker 2: ask you, how does it feel like my mouth dropped
Speaker 2: open when I saw TJ's little scribbled ask note that
Speaker 2: was like by the the game. How were you expecting
Speaker 2: that at all? Like what what was that feeling of
Speaker 2: going so hard getting there and then there just being
Speaker 2: a note kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 1: This is my sixth final, and so you kind of
Speaker 1: know that every final is a little different, and I
Speaker 1: knew this one I was going.
Speaker 3: Up against like some heavy hitters.
Speaker 1: I mean literally Desi, Mikayla, and Chanelle dominated this whole season,
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, one little mistake of not
Speaker 1: hitting the acts and realizing that I had an extra
Speaker 1: mile tacked on to my trek. I knew at that
Speaker 1: point in less unless Chanelle missed it, because I saw
Speaker 1: a Desie makers, then I was toast.
Speaker 3: So it was really.
Speaker 1: About about It was a long run of me accepting it,
Speaker 1: which is why by the time I read the note,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like I'm either going to be
Speaker 1: upset right now where I'm going to be like very
Speaker 1: impressed with the women who and men who dominated this game.
Speaker 1: And I also like, unlike Chris, I've been playing so
Speaker 1: many seasons back to back, I can truly appreciate the
Speaker 1: storylines that get fulfilled over the course of the season.
Speaker 1: So when you see Desi's coming from last season getting
Speaker 1: eliminated and then you see a storyline like Chris, it's like,
Speaker 1: I have so much respect and love for this game.
Speaker 1: I have that I love watching people experience what I
Speaker 1: had just experienced when they finally get that win. So
Speaker 1: it was really a mix of okay, like this one
Speaker 1: wasn't for me, and then a lot more of like wow,
Speaker 1: like history is about to be made for these two
Speaker 1: people and they should be so proud. And yeah, now
Speaker 1: I'm just working on my ax throwing, so no big deal, Okay,
Speaker 1: like it's totally fine, but ultimately, like watching it back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I was shocked with DESI obviously Chrissy
Speaker 1: as well, but Dezi, you're before too.
Speaker 3: Every single checkpoint.
Speaker 1: Like the ability to lock in like that and to
Speaker 1: not be flustered, to read something calmly and then to
Speaker 1: execute like that is something that does you cannot teach somebody.
Speaker 3: You have to have that.
Speaker 1: So what was it like running in the final knowing?
Speaker 1: Especially because we started this day and MICHAELA and.
Speaker 3: I were in the front right for maybe only a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, like tiny, tiny bit, but like you still
Speaker 1: have that mindset of like okay, I have to catch
Speaker 1: up now, or so how did you walk up to
Speaker 1: each station with calmness?
Speaker 3: Like what happens in your brain?
Speaker 5: I'm really big on affirmations like huge one, I shouldn't
Speaker 5: say I haven't always been that way. Season one I
Speaker 5: was not, and so I was always flustered, Like mentally
Speaker 5: I never showed it, but always flustered, always stressed, always
Speaker 5: super anxious. So I knew if I was going to
Speaker 5: come back and play this game again, that I needed
Speaker 5: to figure out a way to get my emotions under control.
Speaker 5: So I just had a mantra of positive affirmations on
Speaker 5: repeat in my head, like that entire ten miles the
Speaker 5: same affirmations.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I said them to myself at least ten times a
Speaker 5: day every day we were in the house, and then
Speaker 5: that entire ten mile journey.
Speaker 2: Can we get a sample?
Speaker 5: Where's my little notebook? I think the other I think
Speaker 5: it's in the other room. But it's just like I
Speaker 5: deserve to be here. I am the strongest woman here.
Speaker 5: If it can be done, I can do it. There
Speaker 5: were seven of them, but just along along those lines,
Speaker 5: like yeah, just along those lines. So that's essentially what
Speaker 5: was running through my head is like I deserve to
Speaker 5: be here, I can do it. If it can be done,
Speaker 5: like why not me? And so that's just what was
Speaker 5: on repeat in my head. And so I don't know
Speaker 5: how I got the axe throw the first like literally
Speaker 5: the first ax I picked up.
Speaker 4: I've never touched an X my life. I threw it
Speaker 4: it stuck.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, that the affirmations through the ax.
Speaker 3: Took the wheel.
Speaker 5: They're like through me truly, she channeled, I've never I've
Speaker 5: never been so deep into affirmations until like prepping for
Speaker 5: this season. That's what I did more than anything to
Speaker 5: prep for the season was affirmations. And it made a
Speaker 5: world of a difference because I'm afraid of heights. Really, yeah, littles,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I'm afraid of heights. I don't really like
Speaker 5: to be in open water. I don't mind it so much.
Speaker 5: But so there were there were a lot of moments
Speaker 5: where last season, like I would have like, there were
Speaker 5: moments where I was shaking from terror, and this season,
Speaker 5: I was just like, stay calm, you got this. God
Speaker 5: wouldn't put you here if you weren't supposed to be here. Yes, girl,
Speaker 5: that's so gracefully. That was kind of gracefully what got
Speaker 5: me through?
Speaker 2: What did you guys think, Because another twist that we
Speaker 2: saw in this final that I thought was pretty cool
Speaker 2: was the double down rule. Right when you first were
Speaker 2: made aware when TJ and his tangerine colored shirt first
Speaker 2: said you know, hey, you have an opportunity to get
Speaker 2: a lead by doubling down. Immediate thought, let's start with you, Chris, like,
Speaker 2: what's your immediate thought when you hear.
Speaker 6: That I My plan was to when I heard that,
Speaker 6: I had played a risky game from from day one,
Speaker 6: so I knew I was going to position myself to
Speaker 6: to the best of my abilities to double down on
Speaker 6: the spelling. I was like, I'm probably not going to
Speaker 6: finish an eating challenge. First, puzzles aren't necessarily my strong suit.
Speaker 6: I'm definitely probably not gonna win the strength challenge. Some
Speaker 6: gonna do spelling. But hearing that I had, I took.
Speaker 6: I had taken a lot of chances and made a
Speaker 6: lot of risky moves leading up to that point. So
Speaker 6: another risky move for me is like, oh, this is
Speaker 6: you just you got you just yeah, you gotta do it.
Speaker 6: Is just just figure out which one that you're you know,
Speaker 6: is your strongest, you know, strong suit, and run with it.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize how I really watched spelling.
Speaker 2: You guys know how to spell vengeance.
Speaker 6: I can't say because I got I got it wrong,
Speaker 6: but I spelled it closer. It looks closer like vengeance
Speaker 6: than Corey's spelling. I was shocked when I won this
Speaker 6: with the strength. I really was that to me, was
Speaker 6: a huge confidence booster because going up against Fessi and
Speaker 6: Corey and even afterwards, Fest was like, let me feel
Speaker 6: those boxes and he like picked them up. He was like,
Speaker 6: all right, it's not that big of a difference. I
Speaker 6: was like, cool, good, good to know because it was
Speaker 6: based on the body weight. So, you know, just having
Speaker 6: that first win just put me in a good mental headspace,
Speaker 6: you know, for the rest of the final.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Desi, when you first heard it,
Speaker 2: were you excited about that sort of twist or were
Speaker 2: you like I would.
Speaker 4: Say, I'm the opposite of Chris, where I am not
Speaker 4: a risk taker.
Speaker 5: I don't like taking risks, and so I went back
Speaker 5: and forth in my head like am I going to
Speaker 5: double down? And I'm not going to double down. I
Speaker 5: talked to Chanelle about it. I was like, should I
Speaker 5: double down? She was like, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of risky.
Speaker 5: And then the moment I was like, I can spell
Speaker 5: pretty well, so let me just give it a shot,
Speaker 5: and I knew there was a chance i'd come and
Speaker 5: last for one of the other ones. I'm like, is
Speaker 5: that the order we did him? Did we do the
Speaker 5: puzzle before the strength?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then it was the spelling and then yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Was just like, I've come this far in this game.
Speaker 5: God's looked out from me as far, like the universe
Speaker 5: is on my side. If I'm feeling it in my gut,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna double them hopeful.
Speaker 3: A lot of trust, a lot of trust.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Tory Elizabeth Ann I'm a loser.
Speaker 3: No, obviously, I'm not a risk taker either.
Speaker 1: But once it got over to the skills, I think
Speaker 1: it was that's when I was like, let me double
Speaker 1: down because it's it's now an act of desperation, and
Speaker 1: thankfully it worked.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then you crushed the eating challenge, which
Speaker 2: but do we need to talk about your eating habits
Speaker 2: because we can do none of that looked good, toy,
Speaker 2: and uh, you really did eat that like you had
Speaker 2: just been taken on a five star date and shout
Speaker 2: out to TJ describing it like it was a Michelin
Speaker 2: restaurant with drizzle like that, look Nasty's health? Was that
Speaker 2: traumatic for each of you?
Speaker 6: Tori?
Speaker 2: I want to start with you, but what I know,
Speaker 2: you're dad ketchup and cheese, But seriously, how did you
Speaker 2: not throw it now.
Speaker 1: That was like a serious thing, Like, I really my
Speaker 1: standards for food are really low.
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. Obviously, I eat vegan.
Speaker 1: Once I found out it was vegan, it was a
Speaker 1: no brainer for me, Like, and I've done so many
Speaker 1: eating challenges on the challenge, this truly truly felt like
Speaker 1: a delicacy in comparison to some of the things that
Speaker 1: I've had. That's fair, so I think just knowing that, again,
Speaker 1: it's an experienced thing. But also like I was pretty
Speaker 1: shocked by how many people were throwing up because I
Speaker 1: really didn't think it.
Speaker 3: Was that bad.
Speaker 2: Note to anyone, don't eat it Tori's house.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say that I feel like I saw
Speaker 5: you eat quite a few things like well in the
Speaker 5: house where I was.
Speaker 4: Like what is she?
Speaker 5: So I was second that Tori does not have high
Speaker 5: standing when it comes to food. She's like it's edible,
Speaker 5: it's vegan, all right, taste great, like yeah, or even
Speaker 5: like when we yeah, yeah, toy will eat anything.
Speaker 6: The process tofu Strips says, came out breakfast, lunch, and dinner,
Speaker 6: and toris just like, oh this is my food, like
Speaker 6: yeah bad.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is actually disgusting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, standards are low.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to talk about Tori's little uh smoothie goateea.
Speaker 4: I think that for me was the thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Thank the handlebar so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so like perfectly symmetrical.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still looking for a boyfriend. So if anybody
Speaker 1: found that attracted an idea, thank you.
Speaker 2: Be careful what you wish for. All Right, we've got
Speaker 2: to take a break, y'all already know, but we will
Speaker 2: be right back after this.
Speaker 1: I think that we can all agree that the next morning,
Speaker 1: it was kind of waking up in that tent being like, okay,
Speaker 1: like today's the day, Like we all looked around.
Speaker 3: We knew one of us was getting eliminated at that
Speaker 3: first station. We knew two of us were going to win.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I just want to know what was
Speaker 1: going through your guys' heads, Like were you nervous going
Speaker 1: into the second day, especially knowing that actually no, you
Speaker 1: had advantages technically, so like what was going through your head?
Speaker 3: I guess Chris will start with you.
Speaker 6: I there's it's there's no other way to say that.
Speaker 6: I just I literally locked in. I mean I had
Speaker 6: I had tunnel vision on my goal and my goal
Speaker 6: was not only to win, but to dominate. And just
Speaker 6: like DESI I had. It's it's amazing the power of
Speaker 6: positive self talk. I mean it's it's unbelievable. And so
Speaker 6: my my mantra the entire time was like, you're an
Speaker 6: effing winner, You're an efing badass. You can go do
Speaker 6: hard things. You got this. And I was like, dude,
Speaker 6: I was cursing up a storm, like I was like
Speaker 6: screaming to myself. They were like, like, dude, your psycho.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was, you know, talking to myself, you know,
Speaker 6: hyping myself up, yelling like I'm gonna take you down, bananas,
Speaker 6: like the whole way up. You know. It was I was,
Speaker 6: I was. I was in like savage warrior mode. It was.
Speaker 6: It was weird, but it was a culmination of all
Speaker 6: of my struggles to the seasons, like I'm not gonna that.
Speaker 6: None of that wasn't in vain. None of that was
Speaker 6: done in vain, And this is my opportunity to really
Speaker 6: prove to myself that I can I can do incredibly
Speaker 6: hard things and come out on top.
Speaker 2: With that said, Chris, looking back now where you are,
Speaker 2: would you change all the challenge, Like the I mean
Speaker 2: pun intended sort of the daily challenges you had to
Speaker 2: go through to get to this point. Because of those
Speaker 2: in the final arguably you had it the hardest or
Speaker 2: were one of one of the ones who you had
Speaker 2: it the hardest. As an individual, I do think the
Speaker 2: Vets had it very hard in the beginning because you
Speaker 2: guys did such a great job as rookies of like
Speaker 2: putting the Vets on their back heels for the first
Speaker 2: few episodes, and it felt like it was an uphill
Speaker 2: battle for them. But ultimately, as an individual, I think Chris,
Speaker 2: you and Cassidy probably had it the hardest in terms
Speaker 2: of the fight you had to do. Would you go
Speaker 2: back and change any of that now and just make
Speaker 2: it easier or do you feel like the win is
Speaker 2: that much sweeter because you had to go in and
Speaker 2: keep proving yourself into out competitors.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the the the win was so was
Speaker 6: so sweet after that those struggles, and I feel like, I,
Speaker 6: you know, I feel like I proved myself. I feel
Speaker 6: like I, you know, I did what I needed to
Speaker 6: do with my back against the wall to come out
Speaker 6: on top. Now, from a you know, a gameplay, a
Speaker 6: strategy standpoint. I there there's a couple points in the game,
Speaker 6: you know, looking back right, there were blenders. You know,
Speaker 6: when you're like when you're playing chess, you make a
Speaker 6: bad move, there's like there's bad moves, and then there's blenders.
Speaker 6: There's like game ending moves. And the first one was
Speaker 6: assuming that the Vets and that alliance, which behind the scenes,
Speaker 6: I did talk a lot about this Vet Alliance that
Speaker 6: was just an impenetrable wall, Like, you know, I thought
Speaker 6: that I could play them. I thought I could play
Speaker 6: the middle with people on both sides, and you know,
Speaker 6: when it came down to it, I was going to
Speaker 6: protect on the girl's side, Desi, Tory, and Michelle, and
Speaker 6: then on the guy side Josh, which this was never showed,
Speaker 6: but Josh was my number one guy, and I was
Speaker 6: rooming with with with fest and with Corey, even Sebastian,
Speaker 6: we're we're we're bros, like we're friends. But from a
Speaker 6: strategic game, plays like this is not his It is
Speaker 6: not going to get me farther in the game to
Speaker 6: a line closely strategically with Sebastian like he was yeah,
Speaker 6: like he was up to hug that with Tory, like
Speaker 6: if I go super toast on him. There's only two
Speaker 6: Survivor guys, there's five Survivor girls. Like, if it gets
Speaker 6: down to it, we're gonna eventually go in at each other.
Speaker 6: And you know, even with with Toy, when when Torri
Speaker 6: and fest nominated me the first time, that's where my
Speaker 6: game shifted and I was a mess. I mean, Torri
Speaker 6: and Desie could admit I was a mess. I mean
Speaker 6: it was. It was. It was a you know, a
Speaker 6: tough one for me and I spiral to definitely spiral.
Speaker 4: We saw it.
Speaker 6: I was bad, and it was because I just felt
Speaker 6: like I was. I just felt like I was wrong
Speaker 6: because I was playing a game a lot like Michelle,
Speaker 6: where you know, there was alliances on both sides. I was,
Speaker 6: you know, not not aware of, you know, the reality
Speaker 6: situations like if I would have gone back probably teaming
Speaker 6: up with you know, Mikayla and Desi and you know
Speaker 6: Monty and Tyler and Lewis from the very beginning would
Speaker 6: have been a better strategic game than trying to play
Speaker 6: a middle game like Michelle, but not have several seasons
Speaker 6: before me different.
Speaker 2: Right, right, It's a delicate role, which is the difference.
Speaker 6: So anytime. If it's me or Michelle on the chopping box,
Speaker 6: I'm going to go in. If it's Josh me on
Speaker 6: the topic, I'm going to go in.
Speaker 1: It was like you submitted an application to an employer,
Speaker 1: but with no experience, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean, where Michelle was like, I have years
Speaker 5: of experiences.
Speaker 1: And so it's not anything you can do about it.
Speaker 1: It's just truly the experience and the relationships built over
Speaker 1: the year. Like if we go back in next time,
Speaker 1: you're going to tell me that some new rookie isn't
Speaker 1: gonna come in a girl and she's gonna ask to
Speaker 1: work with you, Chris, and you're not gonna have Desi's
Speaker 1: back over.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, it's just the way it goes. The way
Speaker 6: that it goes, it's the way that it goes in
Speaker 6: the in the challenge. And so then the second thing
Speaker 6: was that was part one. The second section of that
Speaker 6: downfall was really I because I was playing in the middle.
Speaker 6: It's either it's gonna work really well or it's gonna
Speaker 6: work terribly. And that was like, yeah, that was how
Speaker 6: kind of Michelle's in happened. And I was mad because
Speaker 6: the night at the bar, whenever I got that nomination.
Speaker 6: Sebastian was pitching Cory, and I was like, this is
Speaker 6: a this is an attack, Like I didn't see that
Speaker 6: one coming. And then I asked, if anything that Michelle
Speaker 6: would just you know, put in make it a girl's stay,
Speaker 6: and like it just it wasn't in her best interest
Speaker 6: to do that, and I felt hurt by that. So
Speaker 6: then I was like, Cassidy, you've got you have two
Speaker 6: options to Probably they're gonna want to get Survivors out.
Speaker 6: You're probably you're not gonna have a good chance at
Speaker 6: beating Tory in an elimination round. And it was and
Speaker 6: it happened. Yeah, but I mean even toy I told
Speaker 6: Tory multiple times like, hey, I'm voting for you because
Speaker 6: I'm not going to put in a Survivor girl, but
Speaker 6: I actually truly believe you're gonna win because you're so
Speaker 6: good at this and you're a badass. And I told
Speaker 6: her that ahead. I was like, I'm voting for you,
Speaker 6: and I'm so sorry, but I am actually confident you're
Speaker 6: gonna win. So but then at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: it was always me. It's so funny though, because she
Speaker 6: was like, yep, good luck. And then it was all
Speaker 6: and I didn't see it coming. So that was just
Speaker 6: another you know, strategic mistake on my end. And I
Speaker 6: was like, you know what, I ain't got nothing but
Speaker 6: to just hear my stripes in these challenges and this
Speaker 6: emlanation because I got I got nobody, I mean other
Speaker 6: than DESI at the very end, after Michelle kind of
Speaker 6: had that, they had that falling out.
Speaker 5: So I remember us having one conversation and this is
Speaker 5: where I think, like, you were like, it's just so
Speaker 5: weird to me because everybody else is lying and I
Speaker 5: haven't lied to anybody. I just haven't told the whole truth.
Speaker 5: And I was like, Chris, do you not understand that
Speaker 5: that's the same.
Speaker 4: Thing as lying.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't so much like we wanted to trust you,
Speaker 5: but it was like he's very clearly lying.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You definitely got messy in there for a while. I like,
Speaker 2: there was moments it was it was hard to root
Speaker 2: for you, bruh, because it got messy. Doi Chris speaks
Speaker 2: about feeling like he was kind of on an island
Speaker 2: at a certain point, sometimes by his own actions. Chris,
Speaker 2: but that towards the end of the game he felt
Speaker 2: that way whereas you came in with this band of
Speaker 2: rookie women sort of and you guys seem to hit
Speaker 2: it off from the jump. I started referring to you
Speaker 2: all as Destney's child and have all the way through.
Speaker 2: And you make it to the final with that group,
Speaker 2: which we don't see often, particularly when it is a
Speaker 2: team of rookies, right, Like that were so tight from
Speaker 2: the jump. How did it feel going into that final? Like,
Speaker 2: what were the conversations had in the travel period that
Speaker 2: we don't get to see on the show, the behind
Speaker 2: the scenes realizing that you this sort of sisterhood has
Speaker 2: made it to the final and where does your relationship
Speaker 2: with the girls stand now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I do want to say I did not
Speaker 5: come into this game like I'm going to work with Chanell.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work with Mikayla. I had never had a conversation.
Speaker 5: Now, I've met Chanel, but I knew Shechanelle was like
Speaker 5: really close with Tiffany, she was really goes close with the.
Speaker 4: Like the Big Brother girls.
Speaker 5: I did not think I was going to be able
Speaker 5: to work with her in his game. I had never
Speaker 5: met the Kayla before, and I think we sort of
Speaker 5: felt ostracized from like it became clear that Michelle was
Speaker 5: like doing some weird stuff. Like we wanted to be
Speaker 5: survivor strong. Michelle was doing weird stuff, Chris was doing
Speaker 5: weird stuff. Sevastian was doing fun stuff, just doing yeah,
Speaker 5: doing also weird different stuff, and Cassy was just like
Speaker 5: playing a bad social game. And so we kind of
Speaker 5: got forced to work together and get really close. Even
Speaker 5: through like when Tiffany was still there, she was doing
Speaker 5: weird stuff, so we were like, she's in our room, Well,
Speaker 5: we can't really trust her. So we kind of just
Speaker 5: were forced to work together. And once we were forced
Speaker 5: to work together, we were like, we have to stay
Speaker 5: committed to this because.
Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna have it out for us obviously.
Speaker 5: But when the like when we all made it to
Speaker 5: the final, and I will say even like touring, I
Speaker 5: think she became a part of our alliance towards the
Speaker 5: end and there was a stronger alliance, And I kept
Speaker 5: trying to tell.
Speaker 4: Michelle, like, how's it feel to be in the stronger alliance?
Speaker 5: Michelle, because she's you know, sort of in it, like
Speaker 5: because she was so well protected in the house. But
Speaker 5: I think when the four of us like we had
Speaker 5: that conversation that we could be the four at the
Speaker 5: end and we'll just duke it out when we get there.
Speaker 5: I think to actually have said that and have it
Speaker 5: come true was like, yeah, that was crazy shit, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Affirmation again this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this season was a lesson for me in that
Speaker 5: and more than one way. And how much self talk
Speaker 5: can just the way you know, the way you speak,
Speaker 5: can control the outcome.
Speaker 2: Told you, But Chanelle said that she affirmed that she
Speaker 2: would be on the challenge like before she ever got
Speaker 2: the call. Before anything, she said, I want to do
Speaker 2: the challenge. I'm going to be on the challenge. She
Speaker 2: started like training for it and then she got the call.
Speaker 2: So the power of speaking it into existence. We've talked
Speaker 2: a bit about blunders for you guys and Tory, I
Speaker 2: would know this for you too. You all have had
Speaker 2: impressive moments this season. Was there one game move from
Speaker 2: the season that you're most proud of? Let's start with
Speaker 2: you Desi and then do Tori and Chris. But what
Speaker 2: like game move all season you're most like, Yes, I
Speaker 2: owned that.
Speaker 5: I would actually say it was the episode where Chris
Speaker 5: and I won the Daily because I was very torn
Speaker 5: up over the fact that I had like lied to Tori,
Speaker 5: I'd stabbed her in the back up or she'd save me.
Speaker 5: We're talking like episode What's that eleven twelve, Yeah, one
Speaker 5: of the last episodes where Chris and I won that
Speaker 5: puzzle challenge and I had a bad like I was
Speaker 5: crying that all day, just like having a really bad
Speaker 5: mental health day, feeling like this game was changing my
Speaker 5: sense of character.
Speaker 4: I'm a person who has a lot of integrity.
Speaker 5: I felt like like I let this game take my
Speaker 5: integrity away from me. Like I just felt like a
Speaker 5: horrible person and I couldn't recognize myself in the game,
Speaker 5: and it was like I don't even know if I
Speaker 5: should stay, Like should I go home? Should I even compete?
Speaker 5: So when Chris and I won that challenge and then,
Speaker 5: I mean I even said in my confessional, I had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to write that wrong put Michelle in because
Speaker 5: Michelle is the one who essentially was lying to everyone
Speaker 5: at that point in time. And also just like pay
Speaker 5: Tory back for the several times and yeah, for the several.
Speaker 4: Times she kept me out of the elimination ring.
Speaker 5: For me, that was like a perfect episode, like all
Speaker 5: the survivors kind of worked together to make sure we
Speaker 5: had the eight puzzle pieces when nobody else had eight
Speaker 5: puzzle pieces. We Chris and I worked together to like
Speaker 5: nominate the perfect two people who were the most protected
Speaker 5: in the game. That was you know, Josh and Michelle
Speaker 5: were the most protective throughout the entire game, barely got
Speaker 5: any balls ever in the hopper. And then for one
Speaker 5: person who I like truly was ready to go home,
Speaker 5: to go home, I was just like, this is this
Speaker 5: is perfect. Everything about this is perfect, And I just.
Speaker 1: Want to say thank you DEGI for that because watching it,
Speaker 1: like we didn't really get to see the full conversation
Speaker 1: that we had, which I thought was like and how
Speaker 1: I really felt about it was so beautiful. A lot
Speaker 1: of people come into this game and don't play with
Speaker 1: their heart, and of course there's moments where a strategy
Speaker 1: can take over and it's just all fair in love
Speaker 1: and war and the challenge, it's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: But it does show your character and how good of
Speaker 1: a person you are and also now a champ, and
Speaker 1: I do think that there's this karmic aspect of being
Speaker 1: a challenge champ and That's why it's also beautiful to
Speaker 1: see both of you two have that title because you
Speaker 1: see your growth through the entire season and these ups
Speaker 1: and downs, and you shared it so vulnerably that now
Speaker 1: it's so easy to root for you guys at the end,
Speaker 1: it's so easy to celebrate this win with you, Like
Speaker 1: it feels like a win for the viewers in a sense,
Speaker 1: and especially for the people who have seen the journey,
Speaker 1: you know, firsthand. So I just want to say that
Speaker 1: that was really beautiful and I appreciate your heart so
Speaker 1: much because I was really touched by that. You didn't
Speaker 1: really owe me anything. You know, it's a game, but
Speaker 1: it showed a lot when you when you did.
Speaker 4: That, well, thank you. I mean I felt like I
Speaker 4: had no choice.
Speaker 5: I like could not live with myself that day, which
Speaker 5: I know that sounds crazy, like it is a game,
Speaker 5: but to me, it's like also.
Speaker 2: A part of part of life. What about you, Chris,
Speaker 2: what move were you most proud of this season?
Speaker 6: I was speaking to that that win with Daisy, I mean,
Speaker 6: that was such poetic justice for me, and she helped.
Speaker 6: She was the reason why I won that challenge because
Speaker 6: she did I mean, they and they showed it. She
Speaker 6: passed me. It's like, there's three more pieces down that tunnel,
Speaker 6: and so I was like, okay, So I went down
Speaker 6: to the bottom one, the second one, and then the
Speaker 6: one closest to the top, and then just had a
Speaker 6: head start over the guys. So once I won that,
Speaker 6: I was sitting up on top of the castle just
Speaker 6: watching them walk back and see me sitting on top
Speaker 6: of my finished puzzle piece, smiling ear to ear, and
Speaker 6: you know, FESSI throws up right in front of me.
Speaker 6: I'm like sitting on my castle just and Banana like
Speaker 6: this is too perfect. But I would honestly say my
Speaker 6: my biggest personal victory was the West elimination because I
Speaker 6: was in such a low point in that game where
Speaker 6: I was just I like had kind of just let
Speaker 6: go of control and was like, I'm not gonna fight
Speaker 6: myself out of this. No one is gonna trust me
Speaker 6: in this game. I'm going to tell them what I
Speaker 6: would like to happen, and then I'm just gonna see
Speaker 6: if it happens. And it again, speaking to the fact
Speaker 6: that they didn't really show my alliance with Josh, I
Speaker 6: just asked him. I was like, if there's anyone to
Speaker 6: vote for, just please vote with Wes. And to me
Speaker 6: that was like such a I don't know, it was
Speaker 6: for his own game. He was doing it for his
Speaker 6: own reasons, But to me, I was like, at least
Speaker 6: someone said that they were going to do something, you know,
Speaker 6: and actually carried out. And to send Wes Holme with
Speaker 6: only three balls in the hopper and one of them
Speaker 6: being mine against Wes, I was so nervous. I hadn't
Speaker 6: been really been nervous in the eliminations going up to that,
Speaker 6: but I was so nervous going up against Wes because
Speaker 6: he's so good, he's such and he's strong. Like so
Speaker 6: when we saw this is gonna be a wrestling match
Speaker 6: in the air and I have a legitimate chance of
Speaker 6: losing to him, to come out with that win and
Speaker 6: then everyone in the house will be like, dude, you're
Speaker 6: like on a heater right now, man, like yeah, listen, yeah,
Speaker 6: like you got you got Wes out, and uh, you
Speaker 6: know he's got he's retiring now. It's like, whoa, this
Speaker 6: is again uncharted territory that I didn't effect for my season.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to come into the season and make
Speaker 6: it worth it and and do everything I could to
Speaker 6: give it my all, and I was like, damn, all right,
Speaker 6: it's been worth it, Like I've made the season worth it.
Speaker 6: That was That was a special for me personally. That
Speaker 6: was super special.
Speaker 2: That was iconic. Let's talk a little bit about this
Speaker 2: final and just some of the other players, because I'd
Speaker 2: love to get you guys' take on this quick. What
Speaker 2: did you guys think about Mikayla's decision to not stay
Speaker 2: and wake up? Does he's make an I was here
Speaker 2: to not stay and wait for the rocks, but to
Speaker 2: just run, Like how long did it even take for
Speaker 2: you guys to do the like each of you to
Speaker 2: kind of like do the rock thing. Was it a
Speaker 2: really long time? It didn't seem like it was that long.
Speaker 5: That's what won me the game, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 5: I mean McKayla and I got to the scales at
Speaker 5: the same time. We read the thing out loud, and
Speaker 5: then she paused and she was like, Okay, what do
Speaker 5: we do now? And I was like, oh, you don't
Speaker 5: know what to do? So I picked up a rock
Speaker 5: and started doing it.
Speaker 2: You did that, by the way, Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: you don't know what to do?
Speaker 5: They said it was first come, first serve, so Garma
Speaker 5: put a rock in this basket. I was shocked that
Speaker 5: she decided to continue on because already at that point,
Speaker 5: I mean, I was dehydro from the day before. My
Speaker 5: legs were already starting to cramp. So for me, it
Speaker 5: was like, there's no way I'm running further than I
Speaker 5: have to run, knowing that we've got ten miles ahead,
Speaker 5: and we've already been climbing for probably two So anyway,
Speaker 5: it didn't take that long to do it. It probably fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5: I also witnessed Bananas get it wrong. Yes, So for me,
Speaker 5: once I saw him get it wrong and they're like,
Speaker 5: oh no, you don't get the shortcut, then I really
Speaker 5: laser focused in and I was like, there is no
Speaker 5: way I'm going to screw this thing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your strategy to know that it was balanced?
Speaker 2: Because Bananas is known as a strategy king, right in general,
Speaker 2: he's pretty good at things like that, and so for
Speaker 2: him to do it and be so far off you
Speaker 2: and you did it and did it kind of the
Speaker 2: most beautifully I think out of anyone. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were likely balanced. How did you do that?
Speaker 5: I mean I would just put it in, and I
Speaker 5: would step back affirms I mean affirmation, but also like
Speaker 5: I would, I did do it very methodically. So whereas
Speaker 5: people were like looking at the size of rocks, all
Speaker 5: those rocks were made of different materials. So just because
Speaker 5: the rock is the same size doesn't mean it weighs
Speaker 5: the same as the other rock. Like all rocks aren't
Speaker 5: created the same. Don't you guys remember that from third grade?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 4: Listeners, By the way, it's just weird.
Speaker 5: To me that, like that's the strategy that people were using.
Speaker 5: So I just put it in, I take a step back,
Speaker 5: and like, does that look like it's perfectly balanced? If
Speaker 5: it didn't, then I would I just would keep going.
Speaker 5: And after seeing Banana screw it up, I just couldn't
Speaker 5: screw it up.
Speaker 4: So I took as.
Speaker 5: Much time as I needed to make sure I got
Speaker 5: that right, knowing that Michaela's on foot and there was
Speaker 5: no way I wasn't gonna make up time.
Speaker 3: Right on an ATV. The trick is, if you see
Speaker 3: an ATV.
Speaker 1: You don't run away from it, right run you try
Speaker 1: to work with it.
Speaker 6: That is fast, that eliminates a ton of time and
Speaker 6: is basically effortless, like you have to have that as
Speaker 6: you know, as as as a rest opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much how long were you guys running in
Speaker 2: the at or not running? But like how long was
Speaker 2: the ATV portion of.
Speaker 4: Like twenty minutes?
Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, maybe I would say ten, Yeah, between ten
Speaker 6: and twenty of driving an ATV so max wow, running yeah,
Speaker 6: that same distance. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I ran so far. I ran through
Speaker 1: some guy's backyard. Meanwhile, I have this rock on Okay,
Speaker 1: so you did too. The guy was outside his house.
Speaker 2: I have this.
Speaker 3: Golden rock on my shoulder on running through.
Speaker 1: He's like, and we're the middle of Croatia, Like there's
Speaker 1: really nobody here, and all I'm thinking is this is
Speaker 1: going to be a fairy tale in one hundred years.
Speaker 1: Like there was a woman running with the golden egg
Speaker 1: on her shoulder.
Speaker 6: Like he had a plow, like he was old. He
Speaker 6: had like wow, Like we were running through Croatias.
Speaker 4: And what was weird?
Speaker 5: Like I think, Chrissy, because you were in first you
Speaker 5: had a cameraman with you the entire time, but for
Speaker 5: most of that final there were no cameramen around, so
Speaker 5: it was just me or probably you toy, like alone
Speaker 5: running through a man's backyard, Like am I going the
Speaker 5: right way?
Speaker 4: Am I not going the right way? Like? Are we
Speaker 4: supposed to be seeing people?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually had somebody running with me, shout out to Val.
Speaker 1: He had a gimbal in his hand, and we were
Speaker 1: both like where are we?
Speaker 2: Like like he didn't know where we were going either,
Speaker 2: So I was like, well.
Speaker 3: This isn't a great start. So that's obviously when I
Speaker 3: was starting to accept my fate in the game. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: you know, at.
Speaker 2: Least I'll be in a fairy tale in one hundred years.
Speaker 2: The girl passed down you can write it actually of
Speaker 2: Tory somewhere like museum in Croatia, like this girl with
Speaker 2: the long hair and a golden rock, just running.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we have to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Who were and this questions for all three of you.
Speaker 2: Who did you see as your biggest competitors going into
Speaker 2: the final and did it change at all throughout the final? Chris,
Speaker 2: let's start with you, but like who going in? So
Speaker 2: you guys have all made the final. Four guys, four girls,
Speaker 2: Who do you see as your biggest competition? Initially and
Speaker 2: then once we got about say halfway through, did that
Speaker 2: change for you or not?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Before before heading into the final, Josh was I
Speaker 6: would say, for some reason, I just had a feeling like,
Speaker 6: if this is a long distance kind of endurance run,
Speaker 6: it's either gonna my biggest competitors either going to be
Speaker 6: Bananas or Josh. Fessi and Core really strong. But they
Speaker 6: they were doing a lot more lifting throughout the season
Speaker 6: than they were doing you know hit like cardio CrossFit
Speaker 6: type exercises, where I was doing a lot of those
Speaker 6: with Josh, and that's probably why people were target like
Speaker 6: they were like, dude, this guy's actually in pretty good shape,
Speaker 6: like by the end of it, So Josh and then
Speaker 6: getting him out or putting him in a position where
Speaker 6: he was going up against fests in the very end,
Speaker 6: partially was for my own you know, hubrist, Like I
Speaker 6: just wanted them to go at it against each other
Speaker 6: because they like they had screwed me over. It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: no shame here. But I would say at that point
Speaker 6: then after that was Bananas. Bananas was going to be
Speaker 6: the guy that would have figured out a way to win.
Speaker 6: But those wrist stations were I mean it was make
Speaker 6: or break on each one, and they were equalized. They
Speaker 6: really were. And if you got it right, like you
Speaker 6: had a really good shot at pulling ahead from some
Speaker 6: one who might have gotten it wrong. We saw that
Speaker 6: with Tory. You know, Tory, you ever want to you know,
Speaker 6: there are some strategy you know there is.
Speaker 1: Like hold it with two hands, like.
Speaker 6: It's like smacking sideways like the whole like, oh gosh.
Speaker 6: So those were some big those wrist stations. We were equalizers,
Speaker 6: So it was it really would have been. It could
Speaker 6: have been anyone's game. But for me, I was just
Speaker 6: in a weird like out of body, like automated. I was.
Speaker 6: I didn't even consider risk. It's just like I am
Speaker 6: doing these things. And for me, fortunately they the chips
Speaker 6: like the stars aligned kind of. It was just a
Speaker 6: domino effect, like I was Momentum after momentum just kept
Speaker 6: me going personally. Once I had the head start, I
Speaker 6: was like, there is nobody catching me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like, I got this, I got this?
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 4: DESI?
Speaker 2: Who was your biggest competition sort of going into the
Speaker 2: final and then once you know, halfway through or so,
Speaker 2: did it switch up? Was there someone else you had
Speaker 2: your eye.
Speaker 5: It's going to be an annoying answer, but I truly,
Speaker 5: because I was asked this before we started the final,
Speaker 5: who I thought my biggest competition is And I truly
Speaker 5: thought it was such an even playing field. Not only
Speaker 5: did we have the four like strongest women left in
Speaker 5: the game, but probably the four smartest women left in
Speaker 5: the game. So for me, it was like these all
Speaker 5: these women are strong, they're really smart, They've got great strategy,
Speaker 5: they've got a lot of heart. So for me starting
Speaker 5: out the final, it truly could have been anyone. I
Speaker 5: didn't see anybody as having I mean, Tory obviously had
Speaker 5: won before, so maybe that's a slight advantage. But I
Speaker 5: truly felt like it was a super even playing field.
Speaker 5: And I think we all knew that going into the final,
Speaker 5: and we all knew that we were taking a risk
Speaker 5: by bringing the other lady best of women, yeah to
Speaker 5: the final with this, but then obviously after it started,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, I mean once it started, it was me
Speaker 5: and Mikayla like neck and net, so I knew that
Speaker 5: Mikayla was my biggest competition. There was a part of
Speaker 5: me that was like, where is Tory, Like, did we
Speaker 5: miss something is she Is there a chance she's ahead
Speaker 5: even with the gold today?
Speaker 2: I thought that too until she showed up at the thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I forgot about Tori, and I
Speaker 2: say this is lovingly. I was like, oh, Toy, and
Speaker 2: then we saw the note and then yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 6: Before I thought Toy was gonna, I was like, told,
Speaker 6: I have a feeling like you or me or both
Speaker 6: of us are going to be at the top.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like yeah, Then that freaking acts like where's story?
Speaker 5: And I never saw anybody else either, Like I never
Speaker 5: saw once I passed Mikayla, I never saw another woman again.
Speaker 4: So I thought Tory was because I never saw Chanel.
Speaker 2: What'd you say, I said, subtle flexed.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't imagine like what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, But there was always something in the back of
Speaker 5: my head that was like, what if I'm not in
Speaker 5: first place?
Speaker 4: Because it's not right, it be told it's fair.
Speaker 5: I didn't run most of the like I was so gassed.
Speaker 5: My legs were cramping, like I was very dehydrated. I
Speaker 5: empty out my my like backpack of water and I
Speaker 5: shouldn't have so like my legs were cramping, so I
Speaker 5: was thinking, like maybe somebody else, like, am I going
Speaker 5: the wrong way? There were just so many things in
Speaker 5: my head because there was nobody on the path with me.
Speaker 5: There was not a cameraman, there was not nothing around,
Speaker 5: so I'm like, I couldn't be going the wrong way.
Speaker 4: I'd seen Bessie go the opposite way as me. When
Speaker 4: he got him, What.
Speaker 2: Did you guys? Yes, did you guys think about that?
Speaker 2: And BESSI going do you think he really did do
Speaker 2: it on accident or do you think oh explained?
Speaker 1: So what when after we had finished and we talked
Speaker 1: to him, he was like, yeah, my axe like stuck
Speaker 1: in there, and I thought it stayed and then it
Speaker 1: fell out, But that never happened, so he knew that
Speaker 1: it never actually.
Speaker 2: Just thought he'd get away with Yeah, he thought he
Speaker 2: was sly, you know, But I don't blame him because well,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you you.
Speaker 1: He already knew he was going to lose, like unless
Speaker 1: Corey didn't miss.
Speaker 3: But like, dude, it like obviously people were making it,
Speaker 3: so I don't know.
Speaker 6: We were out there were the three of us were
Speaker 6: at that together and we both bananas hit it and
Speaker 6: I hit it, and I didn't even think that. I
Speaker 6: I did not look back to check and I think
Speaker 6: that he's interesting. I was just it was just I
Speaker 6: was locked into what I was doing every point of
Speaker 6: the finals, so I didn't realize that fest had missed
Speaker 6: his He was running up. He was running the shortcut
Speaker 6: path with us, and like when I look back in
Speaker 6: the beginning before I pulled ahead, I thought that they
Speaker 6: were both on it. But then come to find out
Speaker 6: that FESTI was slot trying to gamify it a little bit,
Speaker 6: like Oh, I thought it was supposed to thought it
Speaker 6: was going to stick. But they made him do the
Speaker 6: same distance just on the shortcut trail. Is why he
Speaker 6: had to go back.
Speaker 2: He was doing and pulling an Angela allah Usa season one.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to trying the game of system and
Speaker 2: it doesn't quite work like that. But I mean, good
Speaker 2: on him for taking that risk. All right, I want
Speaker 2: to know first calls. Okay, first calls, after it's all
Speaker 2: said and done, who did you call first? As he
Speaker 2: Let's start with you, who was the first and you
Speaker 2: got your phone back? Who was the first person you called?
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm engaged, so obviously I called my fiance
Speaker 5: like I couldn't call anybody else, And unfortunately he had
Speaker 5: already like heard the spoilers, so I didn't really Actually
Speaker 5: he texted me before I called him because we have
Speaker 5: to wait and like do our you know, of course,
Speaker 5: our exit press, our exit interviews all that. So when
Speaker 5: I got my phone back, like I saw text message
Speaker 5: from him that he was like I heard the news.
Speaker 4: Is it true? Question Mark? And I was like, who's boy?
Speaker 2: I know, because I was going to.
Speaker 4: Kind of keep it from like we're planning a wedding.
Speaker 4: He's supposed to pay for it. I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know anything.
Speaker 2: So who just had a wedding? Let me tell you
Speaker 2: those suckers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was like I would just hide by
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty thousand until after the wedding.
Speaker 4: But no such luck.
Speaker 2: Chris, Who did you call? I'm assuming your wife, but
Speaker 2: tell us what that call was?
Speaker 6: Like, Yeah, I mean I called her and was like, hey,
Speaker 6: we're you know, we we're at the end. It's like
Speaker 6: but I don't want to I want to wait till
Speaker 6: I get home and before I tell you what happened, Like,
Speaker 6: you know, we had planned a little trip. We were
Speaker 6: going to go to Greece together. It was it was awesome.
Speaker 6: We had a great time in Greece after I got
Speaker 6: after the show ended. But it was funny because she
Speaker 6: FaceTime me and with a look on her face like
Speaker 6: jaw dropped. She was like, Bryce told me something and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, Bryan spoiled it for.
Speaker 2: Like that, like bry So, now you don't need to
Speaker 2: take him to dinner. Yeah, that was that neutral.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're like, oh my god, Like I think for
Speaker 6: what she told me, it's like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 6: so sorry. I spoiled it for you. I spoiled it
Speaker 6: for you. But I thought that. I mean, I wanted
Speaker 6: to tell her, but but Bryce told my wife before
Speaker 6: I could.
Speaker 2: Brice, we take half of that shout out back earlier.
Speaker 2: But that is so amazing and so exciting, Dosi, we
Speaker 2: heard what you're gonna use the money for now? Because
Speaker 2: you can't keep it a secret, girl, sis, I mean,
Speaker 2: he is your fiance anyway, You've got to share things.
Speaker 2: If you get stressed or need any tips, call me.
Speaker 2: I'm still suffering from the PTSD of planning, but I'm
Speaker 2: here to help you with that I have. But Chris,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna you some of that money for so.
Speaker 6: We're probably I wanted to build a house. We want
Speaker 6: to you know, purchase land here in South Carolina and
Speaker 6: build and so I'm always kind of just like business minded,
Speaker 6: I guess so, but we want to have you know,
Speaker 6: we want to have a home. And that still rings true.
Speaker 6: So it's going to be you know, tucked away and
Speaker 6: and eventually we're going to purchase some land and you know,
Speaker 6: build a home.
Speaker 2: I love that, and then maybe one day you'll have
Speaker 2: a girl with a golden rock.
Speaker 6: Golden egg.
Speaker 1: DESI are you still investing in because you have a
Speaker 1: medical business, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have like a home health agency, and.
Speaker 1: That's something that I think that like we don't really
Speaker 1: get to like hear a lot about too, Like Chris,
Speaker 1: I love hearing about your business all of our business
Speaker 1: endeavors because we are challengers.
Speaker 3: But like the truth is outside of this, when we're
Speaker 3: not competing for all of the months.
Speaker 1: That we're not, we do have things going on outside.
Speaker 1: So like, are you investing any of the money into
Speaker 1: your business?
Speaker 4: I mean, like yes and no.
Speaker 5: So what it has allowed me to do is I
Speaker 5: was working in my business and working as the administrator
Speaker 5: of the company as well, So I was like literally
Speaker 5: burning the candle at both ends. So what it does
Speaker 5: allow me to do is like take a step back.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this much clinical work and I'm mostly
Speaker 5: just doing administrative work because now I've got a little
Speaker 5: will room. So it has allowed me to like breathe
Speaker 5: a sense of relief and not have to work like
Speaker 5: sixteen hour days, which is nice.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's amazing. What do you guys plan to do
Speaker 3: after this?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna come back to the challenge? Are you
Speaker 1: really retiring? Chris Daisy?
Speaker 3: Like, I feel like you got more in you.
Speaker 5: Are we gonna make it a three pet So I'm
Speaker 5: not totally against it. I'm open. Let me say I'm open,
Speaker 5: but I will never say never. Like when I got
Speaker 5: called for season one, I didn't think like that was
Speaker 5: shocking to me. I was on Survivor five years before that,
Speaker 5: So never in a million years that I think I'd
Speaker 5: play this this game. So I won't say never, but
Speaker 5: we'll see what the future holds.
Speaker 2: You guys should see the smirk she's doing. First of all,
Speaker 2: her angles are fabulous, but also she definitely has this
Speaker 2: evil smirk of never say never. But it's very much like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna go ass again. Is for those who don't
Speaker 2: have the visuals, I'm trying to share it, Chris, what
Speaker 2: about you?
Speaker 4: Are you tiring?
Speaker 6: I I will say that right now I'm in a
Speaker 6: just like my heart is full. I'm in a really
Speaker 6: good place as a as a person outside of reality television,
Speaker 6: like I'm in a got a beautiful, you know, beautiful family,
Speaker 6: like I'm you know, I feel that my my work
Speaker 6: is is meaningful and impactful and and I'm you know,
Speaker 6: impacting lines outside of the challenge. And you know, I
Speaker 6: think I get yeah, I mean, and I think I
Speaker 6: get a pass every few years. So you know, maybe
Speaker 6: the time will come where I can step away and
Speaker 6: I can I can play this you know, incredible game again.
Speaker 6: But it's it's really cool. I will say, like, it's
Speaker 6: really cool that I am right now, you know, two
Speaker 6: for two on me. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So I'm to be on a T shirt, a hat,
Speaker 2: a bumpers or something like anytime anyone gives you trouble, Chris,
Speaker 2: Just I feel like you don't even have to say anything,
Speaker 2: Like it's just like a check the record thing, an
Speaker 2: ultimate eye drop. That's pretty bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is to risk, you know, to risk spoiling that.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 6: I'm living in that right now. It's it's really awesome
Speaker 6: and I'm just super proud of myself. So three for
Speaker 6: three would be would be pretty cool. But right now
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm happy take on the.
Speaker 2: Goats Man, take on the go go on the next
Speaker 2: Great British baking show or something really well rounded, well round.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that if I go I mean, this
Speaker 6: is just the the mindset that I as a as
Speaker 6: a competitors that go in as when I've played in
Speaker 6: sports before, I try so much harder to beat the
Speaker 6: person that's gotten a lot of credit or is the
Speaker 6: top dog or like the you know, the best guy
Speaker 6: in the league. And so me coming into another season
Speaker 6: is I'm I might need a little bit of time
Speaker 6: to maybe people maybe forget some because I just know
Speaker 6: like when I go back into it, they're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 6: Chris thought he was big and bad and he had
Speaker 6: a great rookie season, Like we're gonna show him, Chris,
Speaker 6: and they.
Speaker 2: Were trying to show you.
Speaker 6: So I'm like mentally at a point where if I
Speaker 6: go back it's a I'd have to completely reset and
Speaker 6: put myself into like this dark place where I, like,
Speaker 6: you know, am angry and I want to just like
Speaker 6: I'm out for blood, because it's just that's how it is.
Speaker 6: Like I'm either going to have really good alliances and
Speaker 6: people are gonna want to work with me because I
Speaker 6: know I'm a strong competitor and you know I.
Speaker 2: Might have that this time. I think yourself, so sure,
Speaker 2: I think that you. I think, look, there's always some
Speaker 2: hazing of the rookies right there, just is there, just is.
Speaker 2: So I think a part of that was thrown your
Speaker 2: way because you're rookie, because you were a survivor winner,
Speaker 2: and then because you did lie by omission sometimes and
Speaker 2: some stuff you were saying. But Deasy was waiting for
Speaker 2: that when she was like like, yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 2: to that last part this time. Seeing how much respect
Speaker 2: you gain even from your biggest adversaries. I really think
Speaker 2: that when you come back, if you stick straight forward
Speaker 2: to whatever it is you say you're going to do,
Speaker 2: I actually think you'd be able to really rally a
Speaker 2: solid alliance and team around you. I really do.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if you try that and it doesn't work.
Speaker 6: Keep that I'll talk that one away. I'll tuck that
Speaker 6: one away.
Speaker 2: All right. You guys have been amazing. Congratulations again. It
Speaker 2: was beautiful seeing you guys win. You both absolutely deserved
Speaker 2: it and I know that you're going to do such
Speaker 2: good and I bet you there are so many people
Speaker 2: who have watched that or are watching it and are
Speaker 2: inspired by each of you all's journeys and getting there.
Speaker 2: So thank you for being vulnerable, open, human and kicking ass.
Speaker 6: For the win.
Speaker 2: So excited for you all. For those who want to
Speaker 2: continue following along or just be nosy because you know
Speaker 2: that's how people are sometimes. Where can they find you
Speaker 2: on social media? Does you start with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Please be nosy.
Speaker 5: My Instagram is at dozy J Williams, d E s
Speaker 5: I J Williams And that's probably where I'm most active.
Speaker 5: I'm happy you too, It's not that exciting. I have
Speaker 5: a TikTok exciting. So call me on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I love that one about you, Chris.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can find me at Chris dot under dot Wood.
Speaker 6: That's where I'm definitely most active on Instagram. Uh, if
Speaker 6: you want me to. And this is a you know,
Speaker 6: selfish plug, but I love inspiring I love motivating part
Speaker 6: of my business. I talk to sales teams, you know,
Speaker 6: all of the country and uh so if you you know,
Speaker 6: you're like, hey, you got a cool story, like would
Speaker 6: love to you know, have you come work? You're be
Speaker 6: a part of our organization for an event. So'm I
Speaker 6: love that type of stuff. So love that.
Speaker 2: Yes, get that plug, get busy.
Speaker 5: Yeah sure, I mean I also do public speaking. If
Speaker 5: I mean, I've I've done a lot of things in
Speaker 5: my lifetime. Obviously I came from pageants. For my entire
Speaker 5: career was doing public speaking. Yeah, and I'm it's a professor.
Speaker 5: So also, if you want to book me, give me
Speaker 5: an email.
Speaker 4: I'd be happy to come.
Speaker 3: Motivate love And also you're a great beat boxer.
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna need we got to finish with this one.
Speaker 2: God, yes, we.
Speaker 4: Actually need the rap.
Speaker 6: I'm good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, Chris was not a fan of the rep.
Speaker 2: Wait, Chris, do you not like rap music or do
Speaker 2: you not like Toris rap music.
Speaker 6: Is fair?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I didn't. I didn't like this wrap. It was it
Speaker 6: was a vulnerable point in the game for me, and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, this is a roast wrap.
Speaker 5: I don't like you Okay, it came out just as
Speaker 5: his whole game imploded in front of his face.
Speaker 2: Okay, a roast wrap.
Speaker 4: It's so good. It's so good.
Speaker 1: And for the record, I wasn't even the one who
Speaker 1: originally did this rap. I just wrote it with Mikayla
Speaker 1: and actually Alyssa s.
Speaker 3: Performed it, which made it.
Speaker 2: So wait.
Speaker 3: Just try to imagine this and alyssas his voice, yes.
Speaker 2: Not Tori being the ghost writer I advocate.
Speaker 5: And it was also the timing in the game, Like
Speaker 5: Chris was pissed about this rap?
Speaker 4: Who else did?
Speaker 5: He didn't want even want to listen to it, Like
Speaker 5: he tried to gather everyone for his performance, and there
Speaker 5: were people who knew that they were about to get roasted.
Speaker 4: Who were like, no, don't want to be a part
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 6: This is my face shaking my head right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris wants you to know, Chris does not prove
Speaker 2: this is exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also you'll know you'll know by what point we
Speaker 1: were in the game by who's mentioned in the raps exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, does it have a name?
Speaker 2: Does this song have a name?
Speaker 3: It doesn't, it's just the boys distrapped.
Speaker 1: The wrap of the season, bananas and pajamas, jumping down
Speaker 1: the stairs.
Speaker 3: He tells a lot of stories, but nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, ho.
Speaker 1: Then there Scry with his curly hair. Don't let him
Speaker 1: near your girl. He's got babies everywhere.
Speaker 5: Hey oh hey, no.
Speaker 3: Now we have Fessel. He thinks that he's a man.
Speaker 1: He wants to be a Vet, but he's just a
Speaker 1: West fan. Hey oh, hey, speaking on West, he's not
Speaker 1: that bad. His wife is three must pregnant. Are you
Speaker 1: sure that he's a dad?
Speaker 2: Hey? Oh, hey, talking about dads, let's talk about Chris.
Speaker 1: You tried to run a boat, but the whole thing
Speaker 1: wasn't missed. Hey hey, let's talk about Josh. He'd be
Speaker 1: getting loud, but until you win a daily better sit.
Speaker 2: Your eyes down.
Speaker 1: Hey oh hey, I'm just making jokes. Don't blame it
Speaker 1: on me. Y'all need to look at Minty because he
Speaker 1: sits in winy peace.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: Hey see that's kind of cute. See that's kind of fine.
Speaker 2: Why story his only storyline? Hey? Hey, that was really fun.
Speaker 3: Now I gotta go. Wait did I miss a guy?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Tyler's on the show.
Speaker 4: Hey hey, it was a bird.
Speaker 3: It was so good.
Speaker 4: It was so good.
Speaker 6: It was a.
Speaker 2: Bird drop Mike drop, y'all did it you want? Chris?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about it? Now? Here?
Speaker 6: I can laugh about it now. And it might have
Speaker 6: been like, well, some mother roads were worse than mine.
Speaker 6: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Monty's business is now all out there.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 3: For the record, what happened. Let me just give the
Speaker 3: backstore on that. For two seconds.
Speaker 1: We were watching a movie night and the when they
Speaker 1: turn all the lights off in the house, you can't
Speaker 1: actually use switches in the bathroom.
Speaker 3: So Monty had to pee, but he cracked the door
Speaker 3: open a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, so I didn't know he was in there.
Speaker 1: And so instead of getting pee all over which I'll
Speaker 1: give him credit for, he in the dark sat down
Speaker 1: and he because he didn't want to get pee all
Speaker 1: over the place.
Speaker 3: But I walked in on it.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's just a mess, just.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't hate each other.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, we love, but we love the mess and live
Speaker 2: for the mess. Hey, so thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Looky right now, Chris, Yes, Chris, Yes, the.
Speaker 2: Interview that's ass is not going to be out for long.
Speaker 2: Little c is going to be in his house. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: but when you arrive, I just asked that next time
Speaker 2: you come with the fake big gold chain, Chris, some sunglasses. Okay,
Speaker 2: just roll up on day one.
Speaker 4: Please don't forget the Nike. Don't forget the Nike.
Speaker 6: Boots, the Nike boots, the Corey's chain, Bessie's jacket. Called me. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I've evolved. The Blue Room has changed me from the
Speaker 6: inside out.
Speaker 3: So much amazing.
Speaker 2: You guys are amazing and your Challenge champs, congratulations, love
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I know how good it felt to win,
Speaker 1: but hearing them talk about it and being able to
Speaker 1: witness that, I think everybody can agree watching this season
Speaker 1: that those two people deserve to win. Desi and Chris,
Speaker 1: like without a doubt. So it was just so beautiful
Speaker 1: and they're so they're so sweet. Yeah, that was so fun.
Speaker 1: They're so fun. They can come back anytime, anytime.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, while we're waiting for them to
Speaker 2: come back, if people want to follow you toy on
Speaker 2: socials or get a copy of that new book of yours,
Speaker 2: how can they do that? Thank you so much?
Speaker 3: Yes, guys, I might be failed a Challenge Finals.
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty good at poetry and apparently pretty good
Speaker 1: at ghostwriting wraps too. So if you want to support
Speaker 1: my new book, it's called The Soul Spill. It would
Speaker 1: mean the world to me. You can find it on
Speaker 1: my Instagram. Just go to at Tory underscore deal and
Speaker 1: take a.
Speaker 3: Look at it.
Speaker 1: Let me know what you think. And Devin, where can
Speaker 1: they follow you? How can they support you? What Amazon
Speaker 1: clothes should they purchase?
Speaker 2: Some of all the details? You guys want to support me?
Speaker 2: Or if you're single and you want to be matched,
Speaker 2: because you know I'm a matchmaker and I have had
Speaker 2: some Challenge fans come on as clients recently, so shout
Speaker 2: out to you guys. But you can go to my
Speaker 2: website devinsimone dot com. It's Devin with a Y Simone
Speaker 2: with an I dot com. At the top you'll see
Speaker 2: a matchmaking tab. Just click that. If you scroll to
Speaker 2: the bottom, you'll see my socials. I'm most active on Amazon,
Speaker 2: as Tory mentioned for that, you can just google Devin
Speaker 2: Simone and Amazon and you'll get all the tea in
Speaker 2: the scoop. And I like to like point out what's
Speaker 2: on sale, So if you like sales. Definitely hit the
Speaker 2: follow button for me on Amazon, but also my Instagram
Speaker 2: is where I'm most active, so that's Devin's own altogether.
Speaker 2: It's consistent across socials, Twitter, TikTok, you name it, then
Speaker 2: you can find me there. Yeah, for a grand old.
Speaker 1: Time, everybody, go comment Devin some pictures of fuzzy coats
Speaker 1: and stuff, the things that she likes to sell on Amazon,
Speaker 1: and let's spam her.
Speaker 3: Feed with it. It'll be funny.
Speaker 1: And then whoever sends like the most emojis that I see,
Speaker 1: I'll follow them back. I think it'll just be a
Speaker 1: really great time to spam Devin's account.
Speaker 3: I mean you have finally.
Speaker 2: I like that. I mean I say that I like it.
Speaker 2: Now we will see that will be hilarious, especially for
Speaker 2: the people who don't know to go in and see
Speaker 2: a bunch of random spammy And can I just say,
Speaker 2: by the way, we've heard Toy talk about her book
Speaker 2: that is available for pre order. But the cover is beautiful.
Speaker 2: I bet you it's going to be amazing, So make
Speaker 2: sure you go and check that out as well. You
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do a giveaway if you guys's book. Wait, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I think we'll do. We'll do a little giveaway,
Speaker 2: so or pre order Tory's book when it's out. We'll
Speaker 2: figure out how that. Centori and I'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: But then I'll do a little giveaway on my ig.
Speaker 3: So I love that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not the only one who launched something. Actually,
Speaker 1: MTV also recently launched a mental health initiative that we're
Speaker 1: really excited to talk about here on the Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: So we're going to share a little bit of info
Speaker 1: that they sent over to us.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a friend come to you with
Speaker 2: the problem and felt like you had no idea how
Speaker 2: to help them? You're definitely not alone. MTV's mental health
Speaker 2: is Health just did a study and found that while
Speaker 2: people are most likely to turn to a friend or
Speaker 2: family member when they're struggling, nearly seventy percent of us
Speaker 2: don't feel like we know how to help. That's a
Speaker 2: huge problem, then, isn't it, especially with mental health issues
Speaker 2: on the rise.
Speaker 1: So MTV worked with Active Minds, a leading mental health
Speaker 1: and nonprofit, and came up with a super simple way
Speaker 1: to help a friend or a loved one when they
Speaker 1: need it.
Speaker 6: Ask.
Speaker 1: It's an acronym that stands for A acknowledge, s support
Speaker 1: and K keep in touch ask ASK.
Speaker 2: Here's how it works. A acknowledged the person's feelings and
Speaker 2: recognize the courage it took to come to you. S
Speaker 2: support by asking how you can help by sharing resources
Speaker 2: for coping methods or assist them in finding professional help,
Speaker 2: and KA keep in touch to show you really care.
Speaker 1: Ask is a valuable tool that can really make a
Speaker 1: difference in the lives of people you love most. So
Speaker 1: go to ask to help dot com. That's ask too
Speaker 1: help dot com to learn more because the best way
Speaker 1: to help a friend.
Speaker 3: Is to ask.
Speaker 2: Love it very happy we were able to share that
Speaker 2: with you guys. Thanks for listening to this entire season.
Speaker 2: We've had the best time with you tour. I've had
Speaker 2: the best time with you too. And if you liked
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Speaker 2: What was our theme? Tory?
Speaker 1: Don't Overthink, over Think, overshare that includes this podcast.
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