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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Speaker 2: Michael Tellinger back with us author, scientist explore humanitarian who
Speaker 2: has become a real life Indiana Jones character, making groundbreaking
Speaker 2: discoveries about advanced spanished civilizations at the tip of Africa
Speaker 2: and South Africa. He continued analytical science approaches has produced
Speaker 2: stunning new evidence that will force us to rethink our
Speaker 2: origins and rewrite our history books. And again, if you
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Speaker 2: look at some of the photographs that we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking about tonight. Michael, welcome back. Have you been.
Speaker 3: Hello George, very good to hear your voice, my friend,
Speaker 3: I've been very well.
Speaker 2: Where are you Are you in Africa these days? Where
Speaker 2: might you be?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yes, I've been here. I haven't traveled at
Speaker 3: all since my last trip to the US, say in
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen when I got married, and then since then
Speaker 3: the lockdown thing happened, and I haven't been out of
Speaker 3: South Africa because which you've been so busy with the
Speaker 3: once More Town initiative. It's really kept me on my toes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about that. Congratulations on the marriage.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks thanks five years now five years on the
Speaker 3: twenty third of July.
Speaker 2: Ash Where does time go? Michael?
Speaker 3: I know sure that it seems like it's speeding up.
Speaker 3: It really does. I was just sitting this morning thinking,
Speaker 3: oh my god, we're going to be in August soon.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's really weird. It is a strange phenomenon
Speaker 3: as get as you get older, the time seems to
Speaker 3: go faster.
Speaker 2: It does faster and faster. Let's talk about some of
Speaker 2: these stone ruins and these lost civilizations, and then I
Speaker 2: want to talk with you about the Ononnaki as well.
Speaker 2: There is a series of stone ruins in South Africa
Speaker 2: that are just true remarkable. How old might they be?
Speaker 2: The Stone Circle Ruins?
Speaker 3: Yeah, George, this is yeah, this remains for me one
Speaker 3: of one of the greatest sort of discoveries I've ever
Speaker 3: was blessed with stumbling upon and then feeling away layer
Speaker 3: by layer, the mysteries of the Stone Circle ruins. You know,
Speaker 3: because this is a big subject, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: huge subject and potentially one of the most interesting and
Speaker 3: mysterious chapters of our history on planet Earth, really exposing
Speaker 3: the hidden history of the world that so many people
Speaker 3: are starting to become aware of, and how much has
Speaker 3: been hidden from us for you know, all kinds of reasons,
Speaker 3: by all kinds of people, by all kinds of entities.
Speaker 3: Who knows. And and the Stone Circle Ruins of Southern Africa,
Speaker 3: which is mostly South Africa and Zimbabwe are probably and
Speaker 3: possibly one of the most important components or ingredients or
Speaker 3: players in this mystery. And the reason I say that
Speaker 3: is because it is such a vast network of these
Speaker 3: stone structures it goggles the mind. So the dating of
Speaker 3: these structures is a fascinating thing because some of them
Speaker 3: could be as recent as you know, twelve thousand years
Speaker 3: or and when I say recent, in many people's minds,
Speaker 3: that's old. But once you start studying real ancient civilizations,
Speaker 3: you know, it becomes very clear that these these structures
Speaker 3: and these ancient civilizations go back hundreds of thousands of years,
Speaker 3: not just not of thousands or dozens of thousands of years.
Speaker 3: So some of the stone structures, the stone circle ruins,
Speaker 3: could be that could be go could go back to
Speaker 3: just before the Great Flood, and many people have placed
Speaker 3: the Great flooded around between ten and twelve thousand years,
Speaker 3: and I suspect that some of these structures are built
Speaker 3: as recently as as them, and then a lot of it,
Speaker 3: most of it was wiped out by the flood, and
Speaker 3: that's why in essence they're so badly damaged. But a
Speaker 3: lot of the stone circles I have been able to
Speaker 3: now analyze, and as you know, I've been doing this
Speaker 3: for many years now, since two thousand and seven. You're
Speaker 3: and and as you get to know, like it's like
Speaker 3: any subject, you know, the more you more time you
Speaker 3: spend with it, the more you analyze it, the more
Speaker 3: you look at it, the more you walk through them,
Speaker 3: the more you pick up the rocks. The more time
Speaker 3: you spend you also pick up you know, other frequencies
Speaker 3: and information from the ether. You pick up spiritual information
Speaker 3: for those that are understand what I'm talking about, from
Speaker 3: different realms and so forth. So it's not something that
Speaker 3: happens overnight. But as recently as twenty twenty, when I
Speaker 3: first got my drone and I started to fly my
Speaker 3: drone myself, so I could actually you know, harbor over
Speaker 3: things and focus on things that I was interested in
Speaker 3: and not get drawn footage from people who want to
Speaker 3: be Steven Spielberg, you know exactly. So I started to
Speaker 3: realize that some of the stone walls and stone structures,
Speaker 3: the terraces that connect the stone circles together, the channels
Speaker 3: that link them together, that look like little pathways when
Speaker 3: you look at it from the aerial photographs, some of
Speaker 3: these were washed away by flooding and also by rivers,
Speaker 3: the rivers that come down the mountain. And that's when
Speaker 3: the penny finally dropped for me. And I've had the
Speaker 3: scientific and geological evidence that the stone circle ruins are
Speaker 3: older in the rivers that come down the mountain because
Speaker 3: the rivers wash them away. So yeah, you make up
Speaker 3: your own mind how old the rivers are. Well, the
Speaker 3: ruins are older than the rivers, and that brings a
Speaker 3: whole other question. You know, when did the river form?
Speaker 3: How long has that river been there? And then we
Speaker 3: have an idea as to how old these stone circle
Speaker 3: structures are.
Speaker 2: And what happened to the people who made them.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's an obvious question, right, That's the question
Speaker 3: that everybody asks because we automatically assume that the stone
Speaker 3: structures and buildings like this are built for people, either
Speaker 3: for people or shelters for animals or cows or sheep
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, ostridges. Who knows what these guys
Speaker 3: were farming or growing or what animals they kept all
Speaker 3: those thousands of years ago. There's actually a very funny story.
Speaker 3: Go for it. I'll come back to the funny story. Okay,
Speaker 3: remind me of the funny story about the dwarf cattle,
Speaker 3: or maybe I'll just make while we add it. So,
Speaker 3: because of some of these stone structures, we always assume
Speaker 3: that they built for animals or people. That's just how
Speaker 3: our brains work. You know, why would ancient people build
Speaker 3: stone structures unless they were going to use them or
Speaker 3: or shelter for their animals And some of the many
Speaker 3: of the stone structures. In fact three, I mean take
Speaker 3: a few steps back. Most of the stone structures that
Speaker 3: you find have no doors and entrances. And this is
Speaker 3: one of the great mysteries that you know, worried archaeologists
Speaker 3: and researchers over the last several decades, since the basically
Speaker 3: since the nineteen thirties and early nineteen hundreds, why do
Speaker 3: these stone structures which are all circular. They all circular,
Speaker 3: by the way, So just imagine circular structures with all
Speaker 3: kinds of interesting internal patterns inside the circle, that they
Speaker 3: have no doors and entrances, and they just led it slides.
Speaker 3: They didn't take that very important observation to its next
Speaker 3: logical conclusion, and that conclusion should be that if they
Speaker 3: don't have doors and entrances, then they couldn't have been
Speaker 3: created for people to live in.
Speaker 4: Obviously, otherwise that have doors and entrances always passages, all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, But these time circles don't. There
Speaker 4: are solid walls that form a whole grip package.
Speaker 3: You can't get in and you can't get out. However,
Speaker 3: many of these structures have been altered and changed by
Speaker 3: more recent inhabitants, the various tribes that have come through here,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about African tribes and also the white
Speaker 3: settlers when they arrived. Well, the Africans are also settlers there.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's let's make sure we say that, because
Speaker 3: before the African tribes arrived here, there were no African
Speaker 3: tribes in Southern Africa. There was only the bushmen, the
Speaker 3: Koisant people that lived here. We've got evidence of those
Speaker 3: being here for two hundred and fifty thousand years, living
Speaker 3: in the caves and the rock arts and the rock paintings,
Speaker 3: and the accumulation of food and seashells that they lived behind.
Speaker 3: That clearly show us the presence of the bushmen in
Speaker 3: Southern Africa for two hundred and fifty thousand years. We
Speaker 3: know that for sure. However, the African tribes arrived in
Speaker 3: Southern Africa, you know, much much more recently. So everyone
Speaker 3: other than the bushmen here are settlers in Southern Africa,
Speaker 3: had arrived here at various times over the last one
Speaker 3: and a half thousand years or one thousand, two hundred
Speaker 3: years around there. So so we assume that somebody, these
Speaker 3: tribes that found these structures used them for their own
Speaker 3: for their own benefits. So they made entrances into them,
Speaker 3: they converted them into dwellings, and they used them, which
Speaker 3: is it. Obviously everybody would do that. If you if
Speaker 3: you're migrating tribe and you come across this huge settlement
Speaker 3: and the cluster of these stone structures, it's like a
Speaker 3: blessing from God. Oh my goodness, we've got a pre
Speaker 3: made city here for ourselves.
Speaker 2: How tall are the wells, Michael, by the way.
Speaker 3: Oh, the walls are not that tall. The walls are
Speaker 3: only like you know, waist heights, a little bit high,
Speaker 3: maybe shoulder heights, maybe up to head heights in some places.
Speaker 3: And they vary in width from you know, from maybe
Speaker 3: two meters and places to an average about one meter,
Speaker 3: a little bit wider and in some places even narrower.
Speaker 3: But I'm getting to a point here, George, which is
Speaker 3: really important, because it's important to know that they were
Speaker 3: not built for people, and and yet some of them
Speaker 3: have been converted into dwellings. And the dwarf cattle story.
Speaker 3: That's why I really was leading up to, just to
Speaker 3: show you how how short sighted are archaeologists and historians
Speaker 3: and anthropologists are at the mainstream institutions, which is it's
Speaker 3: actually quite funny and laughable. They couldn't understand why some
Speaker 3: of the doors and entrances were very narrow if they
Speaker 3: were if these places were built for cows and you know,
Speaker 3: keeping cows. So they invented a historic animal called the
Speaker 3: dwarf cow or dwarf cattle. There were tiny cows that
Speaker 3: could go through these little narrow entrances. I just thought
Speaker 3: out through that and it always makes me laugh, how.
Speaker 2: Many of these stone circle ruins are. They're out there.
Speaker 3: Well that that was a big reveal for me when
Speaker 3: I started studying this. I first came across these ruins
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, in two thousand and five
Speaker 3: while I was writing Slave Species of God, and it
Speaker 3: blew my mind that in those days there was very
Speaker 3: little known about this. There were a few books written
Speaker 3: about it starting in the early nineteen hundreds nineteen o
Speaker 3: two our Theodore Bent and then a few Roger Summers.
Speaker 3: In the sixties and seventies and a few other people
Speaker 3: wrote books that covered the Sun Circle ruins and mostly
Speaker 3: focusing on Grade Zimbabwe because Great Zimbabwe is really part
Speaker 3: of this ancient civilization and the structure of Graade Zimbabwe
Speaker 3: is identical to the Sun Circle ruins because it's part
Speaker 3: of it. So in those days when I started studying it,
Speaker 3: the few scientific papers that were written on it were
Speaker 3: saying that there were about twenty thousand of these stone
Speaker 3: ruins in Southern Africa, not a small number. These are
Speaker 3: not a small number, so I was already quite surprised,
Speaker 3: But so if I just go back a little bit
Speaker 3: to Theodore Bent in the early nineteen hundreds when he
Speaker 3: wrote his famous book that is just a treasure to have.
Speaker 3: If you have one, it's probably worth of fortune. Right now,
Speaker 3: he traveled through Southern Africa on horseback. Who went to
Speaker 3: South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe. He ended up excavating Great Zimbabwe
Speaker 3: and he was the one that found the first famous
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe birds, was known as the bird on a pedestal,
Speaker 3: and that it worth millions and millions if you find one.
Speaker 3: And he estimated that there were about four and a
Speaker 3: half thousand or four thousand of these stone circle structures
Speaker 3: from horseback. That was his determination. Then by the seventies
Speaker 3: Roger Summers did a calculation and they calculated about twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: And let's why I came across these stun structures, but
Speaker 3: I wanted to. Then I moved here out to where
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you from right now, which is close
Speaker 3: to my museum, the Stun Circle Lodge, a museum where
Speaker 3: we do tours to the stone circles and to Adam
Speaker 3: Scallander and so forth. And I started to walk the
Speaker 3: mountains and within within the first six months I must
Speaker 3: have walked through at least one thousand stone ruins myself.
Speaker 3: A thousand, okay, just not not not ten or twenty
Speaker 3: or one hundred A thousand stone circle ruins walk through the.
Speaker 2: Little thing though, right yeah.
Speaker 3: And I and I then I determined that if I
Speaker 3: can walk through a thousand of these just within a
Speaker 3: ten kilometer radius, they must be at least one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand of these. So I started to look at aerial photographs,
Speaker 3: at Google photographs and Google shots, and then I started
Speaker 3: to count them and really try and be as scientific
Speaker 3: as I could. And when I started to add it
Speaker 3: all up, I'm still it fell off my chair. Literally,
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that moment. In fact, I was sitting
Speaker 3: in the same chair that I'm talking to you from
Speaker 3: right now when that happens. When I started to add
Speaker 3: up those stone circle numbers, and it came to more
Speaker 3: than ten million, more than ten million stone circles, and
Speaker 3: and you know, I kept going back to see if
Speaker 3: I didn't make a mistake in my calculations, and no,
Speaker 3: it was all accurate. So we have a very mysterious
Speaker 3: situation going on here. We have ten million, you know,
Speaker 3: even if it's five million or even if it's one million,
Speaker 3: it is still an insane number of ancient ruins anything,
Speaker 3: I beg your pardoner, even a thousand, yeah, even a thousand,
Speaker 3: there's a lot, but you know, to have ten million.
Speaker 3: And then then I realized, and the penny dropped for me,
Speaker 3: that we're dealing with a vanished civilization and no one
Speaker 3: knows about No, there are no two books written about it,
Speaker 3: there's no lectures at universities about it, nothing, nothing, No
Speaker 3: one is talking about it. And that's when I decided
Speaker 3: to write my books and started to travel the world
Speaker 3: and talk about this. And that's when I also started
Speaker 3: to compile my museum, which is you know, people listening
Speaker 3: to this, I would really like you to think deeply
Speaker 3: about the important of this tiny little museum that I've
Speaker 3: put together since two thousand and eight. It is possibly
Speaker 3: one of the most important museums that is, you know,
Speaker 3: more than a thousand tools and artifacts in it.
Speaker 2: Is that the one small town.
Speaker 3: Museum and more scattered around you know that points to
Speaker 3: a hidden history and ancient history. It's connected potentially to
Speaker 3: the Annaki and so much more so, it's it's a
Speaker 3: critical museum to connect us to our ancient past.
Speaker 2: Is this what you call the one small town?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, this is just my Stone Circle museum.
Speaker 3: It's just my Stone Circle museum.
Speaker 1: In your in your in.
Speaker 2: Your opinion, Michael, What are the stone circle ruins used for?
Speaker 3: What were they used for?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if they not dwelt things for people animals,
Speaker 3: they must be used for something else. And just like
Speaker 3: everything else, you know, as you learn, as the years
Speaker 3: go by and you have more experiences in the stone
Speaker 3: circles and you go in there with various tools and
Speaker 3: measuring devices and things, you start to discover things. And
Speaker 3: that was again there was a journey of discovery for
Speaker 3: me and the many people that I've taken through the
Speaker 3: vehruents with all kinds of various measuring devices, and one
Speaker 3: by one we started to measure very interesting phenomena happening.
Speaker 3: The first one was with a very basic cell phone,
Speaker 3: you know phenomenon you know, one of those Google follow me,
Speaker 3: follow me apps that follows you and then it shows
Speaker 3: you exactly where you've gone. And then we then we
Speaker 3: realized that as soon as we walked into one of
Speaker 3: the stone circles, the signal got lost and just what
Speaker 3: scrambled and so you see this little green line go
Speaker 3: into the stone circle we walked into, and then suddenly
Speaker 3: we lose the signal and it shows us jagged, weird,
Speaker 3: kind of jagged like a child the crown and just
Speaker 3: drew like crazy, you know, crazy stuff. And then you
Speaker 3: see this single green line come out of the stone circle.
Speaker 3: So we realize that the sun circles scramble the signal
Speaker 3: of you know, whatever is going on in there. And
Speaker 3: that's where we started to realize, oh my goodness, the
Speaker 3: stunt circles have magnetic and electromagnetic properties. They have they
Speaker 3: emit very strong frequencies, sound frequencies, and electromagnetic fields and
Speaker 3: also magnetic fields. And that's very quickly we realize that
Speaker 3: the stone circles are actually energy generating devices. They're not
Speaker 3: dwellings for people or cows, and that that then obviously
Speaker 3: you can imagine. Then then you realize that we're dealing
Speaker 3: with ten million structures that generate energy, and they generate
Speaker 3: large amounts of energy and or or put together, we
Speaker 3: potentially have the largest energy generator on Earth.
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