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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Cents Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is legendary DJ and program director, the

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Speaker 1: one and only Scott Shannon. Scott. Good to have you

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. Nick Fan, longtime reader and sometimes a listener.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. Okay, you recently left the CBS Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: What went on there? I haven't left it yet. I

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Speaker 1: announced that I was going to leave it. The company

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Speaker 1: that I worked for is having some financial problems. Their

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Speaker 1: stock went from six bucks down to thirty cents in

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Speaker 1: the past year or two, and uh, it just was

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Speaker 1: time to move on, and so I retired from the

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Speaker 1: CBSFM Morning Show here in New York. I have other

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Speaker 1: projects that I work on with the same people. So

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Speaker 1: I have a syndicated radio show it's four hours every weekend,

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Speaker 1: and I have a that's a classic hit show. And

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Speaker 1: then I have a worldwide oldies network called the True

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Speaker 1: Oldies Channel, and it features music from the sixties and seventies.

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big fan of oldies. I've collected

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Speaker 1: him for years, and uh, I'm pretty knowledgeable and the

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Speaker 1: stories of of days gone by, an artists gone by. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: we ever see you in the morning again. That's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: It's a good possibility. I probably will do it again.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing it for forty eight years. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's pretty hard just to walk away. Um. Most baseball players,

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Speaker 1: if they could, they would keep playing. Same with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: If he can play to a you know, a decent level,

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Speaker 1: he'll keep playing. So you say, a big expert on

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Speaker 1: the sixties and seven DS, do you start with the

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Speaker 1: British Invasion de and with disco? What's really your area

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Speaker 1: of expertise. My my whale house is fifty nine through

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Speaker 1: sixty four. I know the Beatles and uh and, but

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Speaker 1: I really concentrate on the early inductees into the Rock

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Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm talking about Buddy Holly,

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Speaker 1: who I'm a big fan of and uh. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the top ten Buddy Holly uh personalities in

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Speaker 1: the world. Maybe because I've got every record he ever recorded,

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Speaker 1: every book that was ever written. I found him very

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Speaker 1: fascinating because he was the first artist that actually could

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Speaker 1: play his own music, sing his own music, and write

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Speaker 1: his own music. That was not that was not something

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Speaker 1: that happened back then. You had all the songwriters that

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Speaker 1: wrote the songs for the stars. Elvis never really wrote

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Speaker 1: a song in his entire life. Okay, I'm just a

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Speaker 1: little younger than you are. I certainly remember the early sixties,

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Speaker 1: but it exploded with the British invasion. Terms of my

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Speaker 1: radio listening other than the baseball games, how did you

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Speaker 1: first hear Buddy Holly? Um? I was. I was a

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Speaker 1: young guy, and uh, I was more into athletics. I

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Speaker 1: was played football and at a mediocre level, and baseball

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Speaker 1: at at a slightly higher level. But there was just

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Speaker 1: something about rock and roll music that attracted me. Um

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Speaker 1: I remember, I remember the first time I saw the

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Speaker 1: Beatles on television like everybody else, and I certainly have

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Speaker 1: recordings of the first time Elvis was ever on television,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I remember the day I found out that

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Speaker 1: Buddy Holly died. And I had a Schwin bicycle and

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Speaker 1: I worked as a I worked as a newspaper boy

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Speaker 1: and a caddy at a golf course, and I'd ride

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Speaker 1: had a record section, and every week I would buy

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Speaker 1: three or four forty fives and take them back. That's

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Speaker 1: how I started my collection and at that time, you

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Speaker 1: only had Hit Parader magazine and there was no you know,

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Speaker 1: an American bandstand, and I would watch that religiously, but

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Speaker 1: you really didn't know anything about the artist then. You

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Speaker 1: really didn't know anything about how the songs were done.

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Speaker 1: And as I got older, you know, I bought albums

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Speaker 1: and I would actually read the back of the album

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Speaker 1: Bobby Ryde Dell. I was also into R and B.

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Speaker 1: Hank Ballard in the midnighters, and I thought Chubby Checker

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Speaker 1: was very talented. I don't know why he's not in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You know, he revolutionized the world

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Speaker 1: at dance, and he also had about fifteen songs that charted,

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Speaker 1: and he gives an amazing life performance. But do you

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Speaker 1: remember the first time you heard Buddy Holly? Um, I

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Speaker 1: guess it. I guess it was Peggy Sue. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I kind of went backwards with Buddy Holly the first time.

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Speaker 1: I was so into him. At that time, I was

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Speaker 1: working in Los Angeles at Casablanca Records, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I love Buddy Holly. And I got a call from

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Speaker 1: Bob Wilson Radio and Records. He shared an office there

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Speaker 1: and the dope would walk through the ceilings all over

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Radio and Records. I fit there,

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Speaker 1: but he called me, hey, chatting, I'm going to Clear Lake, Ioway,

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Speaker 1: don't you like Buddy Holly, don't you I'm MCing the

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Speaker 1: Buddy Holly Reunion Joe and uh, I, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 1: information and I went with him. And that was the

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Speaker 1: very first Buddy Holly reunion celebration. People came from all

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Speaker 1: over Europe. I mean, there were so many Europeans in

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Speaker 1: I think Freddie Cannon was there, Jimmy Clant was there,

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Speaker 1: And there was a guy named John gold Rosen and

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Speaker 1: John was the first person to write a book about

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Speaker 1: Buddy Holly. And I sat with him in the front

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Speaker 1: row and and that was, you know, just just one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest nights of my life. And it was

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Speaker 1: in the in the ballroom there, the clear Le Guowa Ballroom,

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Speaker 1: and it was so funny because it's so many of

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Speaker 1: these people that I talked to were there the night

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Speaker 1: that Buddy Holly played his last show. I actually drove

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Speaker 1: from the clearly the Surf ballroom right. I took the

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Speaker 1: same route that Buddy Holly took at midnight. There was

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Speaker 1: about four ft of snow on the ground, and we

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Speaker 1: site several times. Now. It sounds like I'm, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a music geek, but that just you know, I

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Speaker 1: and uh and moved on. I mean, but I think

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Speaker 1: he was such a trend setter and such a star

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Speaker 1: in the world of rock and roll. He would have

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Speaker 1: still been probably active at least recording if he if

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Speaker 1: he hadn't have died. What's your favorite, Buddy Holly saul Um,

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Speaker 1: I like, oh boy, all of my love and all

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Speaker 1: of my kissing. You don't know what you've been missing,

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Speaker 1: old boy. But he had. He had so many great songs,

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Speaker 1: and I think a great example of his ability is

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Speaker 1: if you listen to his music today, it's still brings authentic,

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Speaker 1: It's still it's still there, It's still got something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's an amazing thing that there's so many people around

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Speaker 1: the world that's still have discovered Buddy Ali in two

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Speaker 1: and you go back and you you study his library

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Speaker 1: and you just it's amazing what he could do. The songs,

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Speaker 1: well all writes beautiful song. Um he had, he did

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Speaker 1: rock and roll, he did country, he did beautiful ballots.

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing, amazing person. And if you've seen

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Speaker 1: the whole of Graham Show, I have not. I that

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not fond of that whole. I don't

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Speaker 1: see it sticking. Did you go to one? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: did see it. But tell me why you thought it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't stick. Um, I just see, Well they've they've done

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Speaker 1: other artists, and you don't. You don't see that. They're

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Speaker 1: not hanging a down there still not out there? Are they?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it was a double feature

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Speaker 1: header with Roy Orbison and Buddy and uh Orbison doesn't

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Speaker 1: It's good for about a song after that, it's like

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Speaker 1: you have a live band. You're listening to it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I went to a rock

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Speaker 1: my father was in the service. But in my embryo,

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Speaker 1: And uh, and I have my mom dropped me off

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Speaker 1: and it was a Dick Clark Caravan of stars and

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Speaker 1: but a net foond Cello was. And I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: the time. And Frankie Avalon was on the show, and uh,

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Speaker 1: that time he only had one song out called Living Doll,

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Speaker 1: which the flip side is a great song called apron Strings.

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Speaker 1: It's a rockabilly song. I'm in the I love the

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Speaker 1: that night and that's all I thought about, was watching

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Speaker 1: their amplifiers. You couldn't hear a damn thing. And plus

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Speaker 1: they had the Righteous Brothers open up. And I've always

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Speaker 1: been a big Righteous Brothers fan. This was long before

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Speaker 1: Phil Spector got ahold of them. And they were doing

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Speaker 1: Little Latin Loopie Lou and Coco Joe and all those

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Speaker 1: great songs that were on the the original label. I

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Speaker 1: can still see it going around on my record player. Man,

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Speaker 1: and uh it was. It was just a great night

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Speaker 1: once again. Went home at trouble going to sleep because

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Speaker 1: to see here. I went to see Paul McCartney at

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Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and I'm thinking, man, it's been a

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Speaker 1: long time, buddy, but welcome back. Okay, let's go back

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Speaker 1: to the fifties. In the seventies, the oldiet station played

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Speaker 1: the fifties, but as time has gone on, the oldie

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Speaker 1: Beatles stuff? Is that going to survive? Like people say

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Speaker 1: that Elvis's merch sales are going down because his audience

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Speaker 1: better example is Doo Wop. I mean it's very I

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Speaker 1: don't go to a Doop concert because it makes me

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Speaker 1: my parents. We were raised Catholic, and when we moved

426
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: we couldn't always get in a Catholic school, so I

427
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: would be in a public school, and then when the

428
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: semester hit, I could transfer over, so that made it worse.

429
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I went from one school I didn't know anybody though

430
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: another school where I didn't know anybody. For God's sakes,

431
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: I still I have like one or two friends for

432
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: my childhood. That's it. I don't know anyone, have anybody else. Okay,

433
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: how did you decide to drop out? What your parents say?

434
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: They didn't say anything. I didn't tell them. I left

435
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I had an old

436
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Chrysler fifty three Chrysler convertible and it was like nineteen

437
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty three, and I had like forty dollars.

438
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: And uh. The thing about it was back then when

439
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: someone was a missing person, they put out a three

440
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: st three state alerts. I went to the library and

441
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: I took a little compass and I figured out how

442
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: far I could get away in the time before they

443
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: were discovered that I was out of you know, going

444
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I had. I got up early to go to I

445
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: worked at the Indiana Gun Club. I thought they call

446
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: a trap boy. I would pick that would hold the

447
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: clicker and fire the ducks out there they would shoot anyway,

448
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: let's beyond. I don't know why I got into that,

449
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: but I just took off, and uh I wound up

450
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: in Hot Springs, Arkansas because it was three states away. Okay,

451
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: And then you did what. I got a job at

452
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: Oscar's bakery. Say. I was going to go off and

453
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: be a DJ, but then I figured out that I didn't.

454
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: I didn't stop to think that I had to eat

455
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and find a place to live. I forgot about that part, Bob.

456
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: So I wound up just doing odd jobs, you know,

457
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: and I got to know people. I would sleep on

458
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: someone's couch or you know, made a girl, and you know,

459
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I just I just made it. I don't I don't

460
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: know how I did it. But then I found out

461
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: that in Little Rock there was a some of my

462
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: friends would go to Little Rock on Saturday because they

463
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: had a TV show called Steve Show where you could dance.

464
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: Is like a little Arkansas version of American Bandstand. I

465
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: think Bill Clinton used to go there, left I saw it.

466
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: I saw a documentary on this show, and he talked

467
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: about watching it on TV. It was just all over

468
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: Arkansas and this this this jockey would pretend he was

469
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Dick Clark and we danced there. And I got another

470
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: job at the Dennis Laboratory. I was riding around on

471
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: a on a motor cycle, well, motor scoot. I guess

472
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I should say it sounds more macho to say motorcycle.

473
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: But basically it was a motor scooter with a big

474
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: box on the back of I have would pick up

475
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: the teeth that were you know, the impressions and the

476
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: teeth and go deliver them. And I would ride by

477
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: the local radio station and look in the window and

478
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: see the DJ working and thinking that's I need to

479
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: be on that side of the glass and not this side,

480
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: looking at him and uh. And I eventually weaseled my

481
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: way in there and started until learn how to be

482
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: a DJ? And how long till you made contact with

483
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: your parents? I waited, will be a year to let

484
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: them for my mother. I didn't give a rat's ass

485
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: that my dad was upset, but we didn't have a

486
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: very good relationship. But my mother I called her and

487
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: told her I was okay. About a year into you

488
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: know when you in those days, a month seemed like

489
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: a year. You know, so much happened to me. I

490
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: got a I could I could write a whole book

491
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: on just three years of my life. You know. Okay,

492
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: so you got inspired to be a DJ when you

493
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: look through the glass in Arkansas? Well, I started in

494
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Indianapolis because they also had the same thing. There was

495
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: a w I F E radio here. I say that

496
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: you can tell him a professional, W I f e

497
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: Indianapolis And uh, I would stand there and watch, you know.

498
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: So I wasn't getting anywhere in Indianapolis, so I WM

499
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: I hit the road. I read this book called On

500
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: the Road by Jack Carroll Whack, and UH, as a man,

501
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: this is this is great. That's me right there. I

502
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: could do that. And it turned out it warn't is

503
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: romantic because he made it sound in his book. So

504
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: ultimately you go into the service how long after you

505
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: leave home? And how he decided to do that. I

506
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: got drafted. I didn't. I didn't decide to do it.

507
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: They decided to take me. And that was the best

508
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me because I was I

509
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: was developing into a nightclub guy, and I go see

510
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: these bands who were in the nightclubs and hang out

511
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: with people and if I really fell in with some

512
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: bad characters at that time. And I got my draft

513
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: notice and I said, oh my god, this is the

514
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: end of my life. But that basically save me from

515
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: probably a life of decadence. I don't you know, the

516
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: things just I just wasn't where I needed to be

517
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: at that time. But I got in the Army, and

518
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: it taught me discipline and organization. And the problem was,

519
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: in order to make a living when you're on your own,

520
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: you have to be in a big city so you

521
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: can stay lost, no one can track you down and

522
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: all that. When you go in the service. That exposed

523
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: me for the first time to small towns and you

524
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: could walk right up to the radio station and hang

525
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: out in there with the control board guy in the DJ.

526
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: And that's when I started. While I was in service. Okay,

527
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: but you were in the service. Vietnam was starting off

528
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: at the end of it. Chest the end of it,

529
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: it was still going on, but I was at the

530
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: tail in, and uh, somehow I managed to avoid going.

531
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: By that time, we knew it was a bad deal

532
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: to go because I was at Fort Benning, I'm sorry,

533
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: Fort Bragg in North Carolina and uh, and these guys

534
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: were all shipping out because they were running out of

535
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: It was towards the end, and we were losing so

536
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: many young kids. It wasn't even funny. They were just

537
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: shipping them out. A lot of people don't realize this,

538
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: but at that point they were short of people. So

539
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: instead of eight weeks basic training, they gave you four

540
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: or five weeks and a i T, which is advanced

541
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: individual training. You're supposed to get ten weeks or something

542
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: like that, and they cut that in half. So by

543
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: the time you get you learned how to shoot a

544
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: rifle if you're on a rifle range at the army base.

545
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: But when you're out in a monsoon with rain coming

546
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: down and people shooting at you, you're not so good

547
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: at it. And that's what happened. I mean, they were

548
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: just they were shoveling people over there, right and left.

549
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: It weren't coming home. So you're in the army for

550
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: two years, two years, and you don't believe me. By

551
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: the time I got out, though, I had my I

552
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: had experienced in radio. Now this was radio because the

553
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: different towns you were in or in the Armed forces, radio,

554
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: not the enforce, a different towns. I was in two

555
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: different towns. I was a DJ in UH in Fayetteville,

556
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and then they transferred me to Columbus, Ohio.

557
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: By that time, I was rocking and rolling, I was going,

558
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I knew what I'm well kind of what I was doing.

559
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: I sound like hell And that's where I started to

560
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: develop my radio personality there and uh in uh Fort

561
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: Benning in Georgia, which is Columbus, but our studio was

562
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: over in Phoenix City, which is not the kind of

563
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: place you want to hang out in too much. You know,

564
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: he's okay, so you get out of the army, and

565
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: then where do you start? I got discharge and when

566
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: I as while I was getting out in processing myself,

567
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I called a fella because I read I met a

568
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: another guy who was an established radio program director who

569
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: happened to be visiting our station. I said, I'm getting

570
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: ready to get out of service, and uh, do you

571
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: know anybody that might need a DJ? And he said, yeah,

572
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: you should call Bernie Deppman down him. Won't be all Alabama,

573
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: w A B B. I said, he needs a disc jockey.

574
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: He's always looking for a disc jockey. Because it was

575
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: one of those feeder systems. You go there and you

576
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: work for eight or nine months, when you you know,

577
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: when you got a good tape, you'd send it out.

578
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: And he didn't have people who lasted that long. So I, uh,

579
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I wrapped up a little tape, sent it to him

580
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: and waited two weeks and I called down there, I said,

581
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: Mr Deppman, this is Scott Channon. I'm up here in

582
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Columbus on Columbus, Georgia. I sent you a tape. I

583
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: listened to your tape. Yeah, I think I could use you.

584
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: I said, you can. He said, yeah, I think I

585
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: got a job for you. I said, okay, Uh, when

586
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: can I start? He said, well, whenever you can get here.

587
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: I said, how far is it? He said, we're about

588
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: twelve hours. I said, I'll be there tomorrow. Is that.

589
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: Aren't you gonna ask me how much you're gonna make?

590
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I said, you can tell me when I get there.

591
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: And how much? Was it? Hundred and twelve dollars a week?

592
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: And what year are we in? Nineteen sixty eight? In

593
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: the sixty nine Super Shan was on the radio mobile

594
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: Alabama w A B B fourteen eighty. I was rocking man. Now,

595
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Scott Shannon is the name on your birth certificate or

596
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: radio name? That's a that's for both. Okay, okay, I

597
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: had a different I had a different last name at

598
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: the time, but I switched that I hadn't legally changed

599
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: early on. Last name was M M O O R. E.

600
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Moore more that I could have been a DJ Michael

601
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Moore My my uh my maiden name is Michael, Michael Scott.

602
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: I go by the middle of this out in the middle.

603
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: So how did you come up with Shannon? I was

604
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: reading Billboard magazine. There was a guy up in Buffalo

605
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: named Tom Shannon. It was a good disc jockey, and

606
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: I said, well, he's not gonna mind if I borrow

607
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: that name. So that's where I got it. But I

608
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: did that very early in life. I actually found out.

609
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: I asked a guy, how do you how did you

610
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: change your name? And he told me, and it's pretty

611
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: simple to do. They do it in Hollywood all the time.

612
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: So you're in mobile and what's that like? Um, I

613
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: didn't care. I was on the radio I changed. I had.

614
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: My radio name was super Shan. I was the fastest

615
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: mouth in the South, Super Shan on the radio. Yo

616
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: leet a fast mouth in the South. By bla bla

617
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: bla blay and go like that. And I only said

618
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: about I had about I had written down on cards

619
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: things I heard other DJ say and I own I didn't.

620
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't come up with any ad libs at the time.

621
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: I would just say the same thing over and over,

622
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, but I would shuffle the cards. I wouldn't

623
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: say that. No one would notice it was the same stuff.

624
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: And how long did you last in Mobile? Uh? Year

625
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: a year and a half had a big contest called

626
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: super Shan We'll die for your school. That it was.

627
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: It's like, you know you're right in I want Supershan

628
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to die from my school. I'll come to your school.

629
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll bring a band and we'll do a concert. And uh,

630
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I'll come and host the concert at your school. We

631
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: had like ten thousand entries and there was a band

632
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: They're called Wet Willie. They were just getting started and

633
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: later on they became pretty popular. They to keep on

634
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: smiling right on Capricorn Records. You know the lead single,

635
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: correct Capricorn Records. I just heard from the lead singer

636
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: like a month ago. He's got a new album. But

637
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: in any event, you're in Mobile. He's found he's sounded

638
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: like Mick Jagger back then. He's got a great voice.

639
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: The band only needed a little bit of better material

640
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: in my eyes, not that I want to get into

641
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: with his family, but so you know that this is

642
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: a stepping stone. How do you get from Mobile to

643
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: your next gig? I had I bought a briefcase. There

644
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: was a store back then called Wolco. It was Woolworth,

645
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: but it was like a best Buy or something, you know,

646
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: that's not that big, but back then it was pretty big.

647
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: And I bought a plastic suitcase, I mean a plastic briefcase, sorry,

648
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: And I got a copy of UM this magazine called

649
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Magazine, and I cut out they had a list

650
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: of the top one hundred markets in the country, and

651
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: I taped that inside the lid of the briefcase where

652
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I kept all my DJ to stuff. You know, I

653
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: have my head bones and I had little notes that

654
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: I had borrowed, and uh and and I circled mobile

655
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: and it was down there like one twelve, and I

656
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: looked all the way up at Number one was New York,

657
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: number two was l A, and number three was Chicago.

658
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: Now I never dreamed I get up in those places,

659
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to move up to like the fifties.

660
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: You So I got a call from Memphis, Tennessee, and

661
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: they said, we're looking for a nighttime DJ how about you.

662
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: I said that'd be good, that'd be a good idea.

663
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: I might be right up there. W MPs and uh

664
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: and I I left. I gave two weeks notice and

665
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: this time I'm rolling in the cash a hundred and

666
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: sixty a week man. And uh, I loved Memphis because

667
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: I was such a music fan. I used to hang

668
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: out at Stax Records and that's where I met That's

669
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: where I met the drummer from the drummer from Booker

670
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: T and the MG's um the local nightclub and hang

671
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: out where Ronnie Millsap who was a rock and roll

672
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: singer then when later became a country singer, he was

673
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: the nightclub band. I would hang out in that place,

674
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: ran into b J. Thomas. Memphis was I loved it

675
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: because it was all about music. Steve Cropper, I see

676
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: him all the time. Um, I got to know Isaac

677
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Hayes there. I got to know his partner David Porter,

678
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: who's still with us. And it's just phenomenal, phenomenal. One

679
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: night I was I worked for the people who owned

680
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: the radio station and owned bay Or Aspirin, and it

681
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: was plow and they made uh, you know, I made

682
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: prescription drugs and all that. But they wouldn't they were

683
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: really tight ask they wouldn't let me have, you know,

684
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: person to answered the phone. I had it got to

685
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: answer the phone and be my assistant. When you've got

686
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: two lines, they're all ringing, you can't answer there. So

687
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: one night the front door we're only like on the

688
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: third floor. One night the front doorbelt had a little

689
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: buzzer up there, and uh, this guy said, I said,

690
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: can I help you? Said, yeah, I'm a singer. I'm

691
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: out from the San Francisco. I was over to Sun Records.

692
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: They have a warehouse and he was buying some forty

693
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: five's there. He said, I got a new record out.

694
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Can I come by and play it for you? And

695
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: he I said, well, I guess yeah, what's your name?

696
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: He said, John Fogerty. I go down and I remember

697
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: they had a big glass. I take the elevator on,

698
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: put on it and got it the beat. I ran

699
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: downstairs and I put the key in the bottom of

700
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: the door and opened it up. And he had a

701
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: girlfriend with him, Eskimo girl, I believe, and uh, and

702
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: they came on up and I liked him, and I

703
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't interview him. I didn't know how to interview people. Then. Uh,

704
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: that's a weak point of my development. Took me a while.

705
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: And uh. He brought this song called susie Q and

706
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: he was staying at the at the Memphis Holiday Day

707
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: in on the Mississippi River, and as I recall, he

708
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: had written this song and it kind of inspired him

709
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: when he was staying in that hotel Proud of Mary.

710
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he wrote it there, but he said

711
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: he got the inspiration, and I don't know. A few

712
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: months later, I got a real too reel. I'll still

713
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I wish I had have saved it. And he recorded

714
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: that song and he sent it to me and asked,

715
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? I put it on

716
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: the I put it on the recorder there and I

717
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: played it back on the air and where he got

718
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: he said, you can't play it. Yeah, we're not finished

719
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: with it. I thought it was done, but it was

720
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: not done though. That was and just I just had

721
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: a wonderful time there. Sometime I got off at midnight.

722
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I was on seven to midnight. Sometimes uh Isaac and

723
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: David Porter would come by and pick me up. And

724
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: they're a big Cadillac because they were songwriters, but they

725
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: weren't singers. And one night we were at a night

726
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: club and there's a group called the short Cuts. They

727
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: had they were integrated. They had a black singer and

728
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: a couple other guys that were white and black, which

729
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: is unusual at that time. And we would go there

730
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: and and sometimes Isaac would drink too much or smoked

731
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: too much weed in a car on the way over,

732
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: and he would get up and sit behind him and

733
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: B three and just start singing. He won that good

734
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: of a singer. But what he did one night he

735
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: played this song called by the Time I Get the Phoenix.

736
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: He liked that song by Glenn Campbell, and he started

737
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: playing it, but he didn't sing the lyrics. He started

738
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: telling a story and he played it for about twenty minutes.

739
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: The band finally just got down and left because he

740
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: just got playing. And and when he got done, I said,

741
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, you ought to record that, Isaac, And he

742
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: goes record what I said, that song you did by

743
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: the Time You Get the Phoenix. That's a good song,

744
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: he said. I don't remember one day I did. I'm sorry, man.

745
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: So I never rode home with him. I always got

746
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: a cab because they were they beat two stone to

747
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: get me home. But um, I remember I called the

748
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: guy Jim, who ran Stax Records at the time, and

749
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Isaac Hayes has got a song

750
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: you ought to record. He said, Isaac doesn't sing. I said,

751
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: he can sing. He's what is it? I said, by

752
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: the time I get the Phoenix. Well he went ahead.

753
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: He recorded him that I think that night, and uh,

754
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: Isaac kind of duplicated what he's sang in the bar.

755
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: There's one. The bar was one of those places up

756
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: on top of the Holiday Inn where it goes around,

757
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, and then you really get dizzy. But it

758
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: turned out to be. The album was called Hot Buttered Soul,

759
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: and uh, one side, one complete side was that long

760
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: with him rambo in the same way he did on

761
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: that stage. And uh, you know, he's one of the

762
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: few people who remembered that I helped him and his

763
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: when he was a songwriter, because Jim Stewart, who you know,

764
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: was the CEO of Stax Records, didn't know he could sing.

765
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: And Uh, Isaac later became a DJ here in New

766
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: York and actually um thanked me on the radio. He

767
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: gave me credit for starting his career, and I went, like,

768
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: no one ever does that. You know, it's never you know,

769
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: they did it themselves most of the time. But that

770
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: was just one of the many crazy stories that has

771
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: happened to me over the years. So how long did

772
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: you last in Memphis? Two years? Man? Maybe m almost

773
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: two years? And then I went to Nashville and that's

774
00:46:52,840 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: that's where I got to be a program director. Well

775
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: how did you get to Nashville and how did you

776
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: become the program Well? Uh, in that in those days,

777
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: the record guys who promoted you, and I'm sure you

778
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: met a few, and the guys, the guys all knew

779
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: me because I was the music director of the station

780
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: there in Memphis and in in Nashville, I mean in Mobile,

781
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: and I got to know those guys. And they told

782
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: this guy, the guy who ran the number one station

783
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: in Nashville lost his nighttime guy got think he got

784
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: he had He had a teenage modeling agency and uh,

785
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: let's just say things went south on him a couple

786
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: of a couple of photo sessions. He was his own

787
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: photographer and uh and you don't say yeah, so I'll

788
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: leave that one alone. But it didn't work out so well.

789
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: They needed to get somebody in there, and they heard

790
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: super Shan was good. Some of the record guys that

791
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: told this guy about me, and he hired me to

792
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: take me in there. He was also our program director,

793
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: and I said, I'll never forget. He had one of

794
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: those blue metal desks with a kind of fake wood

795
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: top on it. And I'm sitting there and I said,

796
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: how much does this job pay? Mr? Sullivan? He said

797
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: it pays. I don't know, maybe not, I don't know what.

798
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: He said, six hundred dollars a month. I went, how

799
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: much is that a week? But I never I never

800
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: got paid about a month before. That was something new,

801
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: So whatever it was, I forget what it was, but

802
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: it was. I think it was something like a hundred

803
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: eighty dollars a week, whatever it was. And man, I

804
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: was rolling. And Uh. That's and then when he decided

805
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: to go into the concert promotion business, they promoted me

806
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: to be the program director. And that's when I because

807
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: I immersed myself in the world of radio. I just

808
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew because I loved it and I

809
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: listened to radio. I knew what people liked. In my

810
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: own head. I go by what I liked, and I

811
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: figured everybody liked the same thing I liked. And uh,

812
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: and at that time, Uh, they started this radio station

813
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: out in l A called k h J, and that

814
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: is UH was done. By a guy named Bill Drake, who,

815
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: as I thought, was a genius, and I paid a

816
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: guy I've ran somehow ran into a guy in Nashville

817
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: who was related to one of the engineers out there,

818
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: and I called him and I said, could you send

819
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: me some tapes? And I actually paid him a few

820
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: bucks each month to send me, uh tapes of the

821
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: real Don Steele and Robert W. Morgan and uh and

822
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: that I could you know, listen to and be inspired by.

823
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: And so I've been a program director basically for forty

824
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: years of my career. He and, uh, yeah, okay, you're

825
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: in Nashville, how long? And we're after Nashville. After Nashville,

826
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I went to Atlanta, Georgia as the program direct From

827
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: then on, I was like, if you ever watched the

828
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: show when you're a kid called Have Gun Will Travel?

829
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: I had readings and yeah, I was pallet in the

830
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: station in Nashville had an incredible reputation. We were number one,

831
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: and when I was in Mobile, I had like a

832
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: seventy two share of listeners at night, which was unheard

833
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: of at that time. And then I went to Nashville,

834
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: and then from there I went to Atlanta Georgia, and

835
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: I had a pretty good reputation as a gun slinger,

836
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, on them. Um, the I got into a

837
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: little I guess a tip with the manager of that station,

838
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: and they went from eight to number one, tied for

839
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: number one with WUS, another big station there, and the

840
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: guy fired me, and I thought that was the end

841
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: of my life, I mean, my career. And I was

842
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: just so bummed out. I actually cried that night the

843
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: guy fired me, and the ratings came out two days

844
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: later and that's when we went to number one. And Uh,

845
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: A friend of I was friends with a guy named

846
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Bob Wilson who started radio and Records, which was the

847
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: bible of the music business and the radio business at

848
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: that time. How did you know Bob Wilson. Um, he

849
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: would come to town and see me and I would

850
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: give me my ideas. You know this, we're just friends.

851
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he did interviews with me and

852
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: have ran my picture all the time. That was important

853
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: because you know, other people in the business would see

854
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: your picture and think you're a big shot. No, I

855
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: just knew Bob Wilson. So you're crying. You call Bob

856
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 1: Wilson in l A and Bob Wilson says, come out

857
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: here right now and work for me. And that's how

858
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: I got to know what man Jack was. He was

859
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: also in that same office, and U I started a

860
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: thing called street Talk, which was like a gossip column

861
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: of people things people were doing, the pictures and all that,

862
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: and uh, I did that for quite some time, and

863
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: I traveled with Kiss, and uh one of my best

864
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: friends was a fellow named Charlie Minor was also in

865
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: the music business. We started together. I knew him from Atlanta,

866
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 1: and UH, well that's why we hit me. We would

867
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: be at Mr Chiwd's or the Merry Go Round or

868
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: all these places. And I just never really other than

869
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, with the guys and Kiss and Donna Summer

870
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: and got to know her a little bit and her

871
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: manager and other bands there. But I just never felt

872
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: comfortable a in Los Angeles and be outside of radio.

873
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: So I did, like I didn't like two and a

874
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: half years in in the record business, and I enjoyed it.

875
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: I had fun, you know, and uh, but then I

876
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: got a friend of mine called me and said, I'm

877
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: leaving my job in d C. They need a program director.

878
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: Would you like to come? I said, I'll fly in

879
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: there and talk to the guy. So and then I

880
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: went back into radio. Okay, wp g C, Washington, d C. Okay.

881
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: Other than l A, well, maybe you're living in all

882
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: these different places. How is that affecting your personal life?

883
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: M I didn't worry about that. I was in love

884
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: with radio. I had had a girlfriend in Nashville, and uh,

885
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: we decided we should be married. And she decided, I

886
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: think the problem is he's She said, you love radio

887
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: more than you love me. I said, you're right, and

888
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: that was my that was my my wife radio. Everything

889
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: else was it was just scenery. And you know, when

890
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: you're a big shot on the radio, you're famous. Did

891
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: you feel that? I mean, you're working alone inside the dark,

892
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: But everybody liked that, though Bob, I thought that I

893
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: just enjoyed being in that room. That was a great way.

894
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: The reason I got in and that I got attracted

895
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: to radio because I saw a Billboard magazine. I would

896
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: buy it at the record store, and I noticed that

897
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: they had these little rooms when they broadcast from and

898
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: you could talk to all of these people, but you

899
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to see him. And I thought I was

900
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of a very I don't know self involved person.

901
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't have a girlfriend when I was a

902
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: kid because my father was too strict. I didn't really

903
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have a girlfriend until I was like sevent

904
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. Uh, it was all of a sudden,

905
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: girls like it because you're on the radio. They can't

906
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: get a rock star. So I didn't get a DJ.

907
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: So it was just different all of a sudden. I didn't,

908
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't. I couldn't fanom it, phantom it.

909
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: I just it was a different world. But it came

910
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: second to radio. That was my whole existence, the music

911
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: and the actual function of being on the radio. I

912
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: loved it, and that to this day, I still love

913
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: doing it. Okay, are you a social guy? If I say, oh,

914
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna go hang out, it's gonna be some people.

915
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna say yes, You're gonna say no, I'd rather

916
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: stay home. I'd rather stay home. Okay, So you go

917
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: to d C is the p D. Then what happens, Uh?

918
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: I got fired again the the owner that the owner

919
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: didn't think I was a good DJ and wouldn't let

920
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: me on the air, and so the station. The station

921
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: was already number one, but I made it number one

922
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: R and uh, we got in an argument. He didn't

923
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: think the death of John Lennon was a big deal.

924
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: I overreacted by playing all Lennen music in the morning show,

925
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: and he said, and he called the hotline and said,

926
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: you got what are you doing there? Man? You're screwing

927
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: up our station. And said, oh, you haven't heard. Yeah,

928
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: I heard John Lennon's dead, but you're overreacting. And he

929
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: hung up on me. So a few days later, I

930
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: took People Magazine, Newsweek and Time Magazine and I walked

931
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: into his office and I laid him across the disk.

932
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: I said, Mr Potter, you got to call these people.

933
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: They're overreacting. Two weeks later I was unemployed. Were you

934
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: crying this time? No? I didn't cry about that one.

935
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: I wanted away from that asshole. But within two weeks

936
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: I had another job. And Uh, by that time, I had,

937
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, a good enough reputation were as a pro

938
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Graham and I have gun will travel, I had, I moved.

939
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a job at that time that

940
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: that let me do the morning show because this guy

941
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: didn't let me on the air. So when he fired me,

942
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't stay in d C and I and I

943
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: had a girl that I liked. At that point, I

944
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave d C. But I chose once

945
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: again shows radio. But I figured, if I was a

946
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: big morning radio star and you fire me, I just

947
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: go across the street and then kick your ass. And

948
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: so I decided I was going to be a morning DJ,

949
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: and I wanted to find a station that would let

950
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: me be a morning DJ, and that was in Tampa, Okay.

951
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I certainly remember in the mid sixties it was about

952
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: the evening DJ. Right when did it become about the

953
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: morning DJ in the I believe in the seventies. In

954
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: the seventies, the morning radio panel started to come back.

955
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, my dad would drive me

956
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: around and I used to listen to the Breakfast Club

957
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: out of Chicago, and I always thought that was cool.

958
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: They were just and they would just beat, they just

959
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: talked to people, and they had a band and they

960
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: would band would play and all that. It was on

961
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: w l S in Chicago. I think it was Don

962
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: McNeil's Breakfast Club and it was on a network. I

963
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: thought that was cool, and so I always thought about

964
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: that having a morning show where you could just talk

965
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: about things and have calls and people come in and

966
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: and I kind of built this thing called the Morning Zoo,

967
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: and it was based on the Breakfast Club. And I

968
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: grew up with listen to my dad's in the back

969
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: seat of my dad's station wagon, or in a mix

970
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: of Saturday Night Live, which was already on the air,

971
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: then doing skits and funny things. When you're in Tampa,

972
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: do you go justice the DJ or you the p

973
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: D two both. That's where I found my niche the

974
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: morning show and being a program director best fun. As

975
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: soon as you land in Tampa, you start right away

976
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: with the breakfast club idea, or you work up to it. Well,

977
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: I met with a guy that was already doing the

978
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: morning show, a great personality named Cleveland Wheeler. He thought

979
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: I was going to fire him, and uh Asa, no,

980
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: I want you to know. I want to work with

981
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: you so I can learn how to be a morning DJ.

982
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: And I said, I got some ideas. I will run

983
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: and past you. And I shared my whole thing about

984
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: the personality and the phone calls and the skits and

985
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: the parody songs and all that. He said, I'm in man.

986
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean he did voices and and I had a

987
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: great laugh, and that's very important when you're doing the

988
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: morning show. And uh, and the station had fallen out

989
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: of the top because had come petition come in there

990
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: and they wanted to get back to number one because

991
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: they were a losing money and be you know, like

992
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: number ten in the market. So within sixty days we

993
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: were back to number one and had this was the rage.

994
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the Morning Zoo was the biggest thing that

995
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: ever hit Tampa and St. Petersburg and we had a

996
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: big signal, so we had a lot of listeners and

997
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: it was huge, and the word got out of what

998
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: we were doing. And like an idiot, I never I

999
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: never thought about copyrighting or anything like that, trademarket or

1000
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: anging like that. I just was radio. And then the

1001
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: company that I worked for had me fly to Houston

1002
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: and put the same show on in Houston with some

1003
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: other people and we did that. So and then I

1004
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, to three years in Tampa

1005
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: and that's okay, before you before you leave Tampa, how

1006
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: did you do side to name at the Morning Zoo

1007
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: or how did that become the name? Um, I don't

1008
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: really know. I didn't want to call it. I wanted

1009
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: something different. I wanted to be I wanted to be

1010
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: was that an interrupt or whatever they call that, the disruptor?

1011
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: And I wanted it to be different from anything else

1012
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: on the radio. So we had like a cast of

1013
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: five people. We had a guy in the air, traffic

1014
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: guy with personality. We had a newsgirl that Pat Brooks

1015
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: was over here. She was great. And we had had

1016
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,479
Speaker 1: a kid that was our intern, ninety Mike. We called

1017
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: him because he listened to the other station, night Rock,

1018
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: and nobody ever talked about other radio stations, and they,

1019
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, that was forbidden. And we talked about everybody,

1020
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: talked about the mayor of the city, and talked about

1021
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: the other DJs and that worked over there, and made

1022
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: fun of people and it was just just a good

1023
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: time time radio show. And it caught on and they

1024
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: heard about it. Did you play any records? Oh yes,

1025
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: we did. You know, we could have easily not played records,

1026
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: but we played three or four records an hour, okay,

1027
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: And then New York comes to call it. That's it.

1028
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 1: New York came a calling, and I transferred that same

1029
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: show up to New York. A different people who a

1030
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: little bit slower. First, there's a documentary which came out

1031
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: earlier in the year, and I'm not blowing smoke up

1032
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: your grass, but I couldn't turn it off. Usually these

1033
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: documentaries run watchable. It was really well done, the story

1034
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: of Z one. How did the documentary come to be? Um,

1035
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: all my friends, you gotta write a book, you gotta

1036
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: write a book, You gotta write a book. And I

1037
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: just don't have it in the um. I just don't

1038
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: have the everybody that I've ever talked to that I

1039
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: decided to write a book, it was a bit you know.

1040
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: They they got started, it was okay, but then you

1041
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: get through the middle of it, and then you put

1042
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: it away for a while, and then you never get

1043
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: around to finish it, and and and unfortunately already took

1044
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: the money. So you gotta put some crap together and

1045
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: put it out. You know, my friend Elvis Durant wrote

1046
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: a book, and I won't get into detail, but he

1047
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: it turned out, you know, he didn't turn out as

1048
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: well as he wanted it to. And it was successful,

1049
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: but it just you know, he just kind of like

1050
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of it said, oh boy, which I

1051
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten into this, but my wife decided. My wife,

1052
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: Trish decided, who I met in Tampa, by the way,

1053
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: decided that instead of a book, wonn't you just make

1054
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: a documentary? They're getting pretty popular now and so that's

1055
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: how it came about. And who paid for it? Uh,

1056
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: we did, along with Elvis Durant. He was one of

1057
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: our invest There's him and as manager. There's just four people.

1058
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: And now that it's done, what do you think about it?

1059
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: I was happy we did it, you know, I thought

1060
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: it was it's it was all. It's a lot of

1061
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: people um use it. It's almost like a instruction manual

1062
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: on what to do and in creativity. And I think

1063
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: it's also important to note that it's the result of

1064
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: someone hiring you and leaving you alone to do what

1065
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: you do and and it worked out pretty well. Okay,

1066
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: So how did you meet Trician Tampa? And how did

1067
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: she end up going to New York whereas before everybody

1068
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: was left behind? But she wasn't one of my DJs.

1069
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: Bob I met her. She worked at the High and

1070
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: she was in um in charge of publicity and hospitality.

1071
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: And one morning they brought by a breakfast for the

1072
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: morning zoo people would always find out some way to

1073
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: get on there. And so that they were opening a

1074
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: new hotel and they brought breakfast to us. And she

1075
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: was an attractive blonde. She was involved in a relationship

1076
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: at that time, and uh, let's just say that I

1077
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: didn't I had had nothing to do with the unraveling

1078
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: of the relationship, but we were friendly, and uh, when

1079
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: it unraveled, I called her and, man, I feel bad.

1080
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: I know you're bummed out and everything. How about we

1081
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: go to Longboat Key for the weekend? Almost hung up?

1082
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: She's not why are you crazy there? She's a conservative

1083
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: lady and U And then when I got the call,

1084
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: they go to New York. You want to want to

1085
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: go with me? Are you nuts? Were not married? I'm

1086
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: not moving in with you. That's how that went. So

1087
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: we worked at out eventually and we got married. And

1088
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: the rock you never had any kids? Right? They had

1089
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: one child, one daughter? Okay, And how old is she today?

1090
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: You know what it's You know she's on a turney bob. Well, yeah,

1091
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: at least she's off the payroll, right, Yes, yeah, she's

1092
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: a great, good kid. Okay. So the movie depicts in

1093
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: case people listening want to check it out, but it

1094
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: was really good. I will admit that it kind of

1095
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: shocked me. First of all, I met ken Lean when

1096
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: he's working for Daniel Glass at Chrysalis. Must be kay,

1097
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he started with you. And the

1098
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: other thing is really a different era. I remember that

1099
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: era whatever. But just to set the scene, it's basically,

1100
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: it's a alright station. It's it's the Caucus, New Jersey,

1101
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: it's nowhere, and it's you know, tell us how you

1102
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: just what they pitched and how you decided to do it.

1103
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: They didn't pitch much. They just said you want to

1104
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: come and build a radio station. I said, yeah, if

1105
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: it's the top forty station, I'll do it. I said, okay,

1106
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: it could be a Top fourt They was still research

1107
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: and I said, I only do Top forty and U

1108
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: and uh. We came up with the name and they

1109
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: basically let me alone. They really did. I mean, as

1110
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: you see in the movie, there's a couple of encounters

1111
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning. And then I was ready to go

1112
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: back to Tampa because Mr Maltz, who was the president

1113
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: of the company and the owner, promised me I would

1114
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: have a Rolls Royce radio station. And during the construction

1115
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: of the building and the studios. It turns out I

1116
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: getting a Volkswagen and uh we had a uh we

1117
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: put a stop on things, but the temporary halt, well

1118
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: we got that worked out and he went ahead and

1119
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: kept his promise. And nothing to do with money. It

1120
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: just was about the quality of the actual studio. And

1121
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: uh the engineer had just that was in charge of

1122
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: the project just wasn't building it the way it should

1123
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: have been built. And it eventually was built the way

1124
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: it should have been built. Do you remember how many

1125
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: watts that station at enough? Okay, well, how far away

1126
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: could it reach at nighttime or whatever? Well, it's not

1127
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: a nighttime is is a a product of an A

1128
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: M station. FM signals the same all the time. It

1129
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: covered the entire tri state area. Once you put the

1130
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: we called that the p shooter when we first signed

1131
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: on it only you know, basically was heard in New

1132
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: Jersey and for about I don't know, three weeks, and

1133
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: then we put it up on the top of the

1134
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: Empire State Building and blew the roof off. The sucker.

1135
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: You had a lot of violent, uh terminology in the

1136
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: construction of the station. I wanted it to sound like

1137
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: New York. But I didn't want it to sound like

1138
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: any New York radio station. The format was easy. We

1139
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: played one black record, one white record, one black record,

1140
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: one white white record, and uh, and that didn't go

1141
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: by the color of the skin. It went to the

1142
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: appeal of the sound of the song. If you understand

1143
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: what I mean, I think you do. And uh. And

1144
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: then then we hired this jockeys who were not from

1145
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: New York. We brought in all new people and uh.

1146
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: We kept it. That's what I call sledgehammer radio. Just pounded.

1147
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: You know, you had to listen. You didn't want to

1148
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: miss any thing. The morning show every day had something

1149
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: else going on. We talked to people and it didn't

1150
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: sound It was not polished or professional. It was meant

1151
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: to be like an earworm and wanted to sound like

1152
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: nothing that had ever been on the air in New

1153
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: York sounded like. We would get called people would say,

1154
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: what is this? What do you mean? What? What kind

1155
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: of station is if we never heard anything like this before.

1156
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about other radio stations, We talked

1157
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: about other personalities and other radio stations, and that was

1158
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: taboo back then. People didn't do that the way it's

1159
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: portrayed in the movie is the pieces are in place,

1160
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 1: but you don't start climbing the readings until you become aggressive.

1161
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: You know, there's putting up stickers, certain other campaigns, you know,

1162
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: put up a poster in your window. So how important

1163
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: is this from emotional marketing building a station? As one

1164
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: of the Gary Fisher, the manager at the time, said

1165
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: it was the first viral campaign that he'd ever seen.

1166
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: It was viral before there was viral, and uh, it

1167
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: just was word of mouth. That's how that's how it

1168
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: was built, word of mouth. And uh, like I said,

1169
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 1: like you saw in the movie, everybody else that the critics,

1170
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: all who put it the other stations laughed at it

1171
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: because it didn't sound like New York. It didn't sound polished.

1172
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: It was just a different animal. And uh, you know

1173
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: there's some of the terminology, you know, like get out

1174
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: of a way, and it was aggressive from the top

1175
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: of the Empire State Building. Well that's a point in

1176
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: the movie. Everybody broadcasts from the top of the bob.

1177
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: Nobody said it. Okay, if you had done no marketing whatsoever,

1178
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: which is all depicted in the movie with the station

1179
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: still have been as successful. No, no, no, way. It

1180
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: was an attitude. They didn't the listeners, didn't the people

1181
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: our customers, so to speak, they didn't look at that.

1182
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: They didn't regard that as marketing. That was just Z

1183
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: one hundred. That was the zoo, That was the people

1184
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: that that they loved. They a lot of people grew

1185
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: up with that radio station. It was it was. It

1186
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: was really like the heartbeat of New York and still

1187
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: is to this day. It's still a big, big factor

1188
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: in music and marketing. Okay, in some businesses you know

1189
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: all your competitors and other businesses, you only know the

1190
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: people you work with. You come up, you disrupt, to

1191
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: what degreed, you end up knowing the infrastructure of New

1192
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: York Radio. No, I hadn't. I had not. I didn't

1193
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: know a him about New York or New York Radio.

1194
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: It was a radio station. It was almost like I

1195
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 1: described it to our team as this is a pirate station,

1196
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: like the pirates station that took Europe in England. We're

1197
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: we're off shore, we're out here in the swamp in

1198
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and we're broadcasting to that country right there,

1199
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: New York. And that's how it was. We really didn't

1200
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 1: go after as you see in the movie. We didn't

1201
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: go after the five boroughs. We went after New Jersey,

1202
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: Long Island and Westchester. That was it. Connecticut too. I

1203
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of got your baffle there, done it. Yeah, the

1204
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: station goes from what number hundred to number one that

1205
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: we were probably like night or something like that. Roque

1206
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: then just depicted in the movie like all hell breaks,

1207
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: lose your celebrity. You're on all these shows, tell us

1208
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: about that when I was not ready for that. I've

1209
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: never wanted to do television, even though I've done quite

1210
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: a bit over the years. It's not my favorite medium.

1211
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: I enjoy radio. I enjoy sitting in a room with

1212
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: a microphone talking to people. I like that. That's what

1213
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: I like to do. And uh, laughing having it's enjoyable

1214
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: to me, it's not work and uh and that you know,

1215
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm on Oprah and we're on

1216
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,480
Speaker 1: Regius all the time, and you know, in Time magazine

1217
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: and all this, and it just wasn't comfortable to me.

1218
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: It's not it's not I mean, I did it, but

1219
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: it was part of the jobs part, you know, the

1220
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: important part to me was communicating a microphone to people. Well,

1221
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: at this point, with all that attending publicity. You became

1222
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: a celebrity, and how did you like that? Good or bad?

1223
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: It is fine. It just comes with the territory. I mean,

1224
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't I enjoy it. Maybe you know,

1225
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: you get your your flu shot before anybody or something

1226
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, it doesn't. It's I love

1227
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: doing what I do, and then that's it. I mean,

1228
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not shirking. I'm not throwing the

1229
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: jacket of celebrity hood off. It's not the most important

1230
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: thing in my life. Okay, so you're doing the station.

1231
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: You're talking about all these poor paying gigs before this,

1232
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: When do you start making money? I started making money

1233
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and uh that was that was probably the

1234
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: beginning of it. I never really whenever. I'm not like

1235
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: a money monger and it's nights. I live in a

1236
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: nice house, I drive a nice car. I can do

1237
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: what I want, you know, but I still buy a

1238
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: lotto tickets. You know. I'm just are you good with

1239
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: your money? My wife is I'm not tricius. Okay, okay,

1240
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: you're on You're at one. Then you leave for l A.

1241
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: How do you decide to leave that was I was

1242
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: up for Marina Gos, I was up for the contract signing,

1243
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: and they wanted to give me stock, and I wanted

1244
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: I really didn't want stock in the company. I don't

1245
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: want to be in that area. So along came the

1246
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to move to California and build. Really was what

1247
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: attracted me was to build a news station. Pirate radio,

1248
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: well certainly in terms of marketing every but he was

1249
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: aware of Pirate Radio in Los Angeles. But the ratings

1250
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: did not match the success of Z one. How did

1251
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: you feel about that? I didn't feel good, but I

1252
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: felt like we did a good job entering the marketplace.

1253
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: There were some other um there were some other factors

1254
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:30,839
Speaker 1: that were involved that Number one, I was overpaid. Number

1255
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: two paid the owner paid too much for the actual facility. Also,

1256
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: so they ran into a problem with the banks. And uh,

1257
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: we got it. We got almost two years out of it.

1258
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: It was the last couple of rating books were fine.

1259
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: You know. One of the problems is you got to

1260
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: remember too guns and Roses fell apart, and that was

1261
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: the crux that was the center of the radio station.

1262
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can't make a living playing warrant and

1263
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: some of these other groups that we had at that time,

1264
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: hair bands. But I don't make any excuses for it. It

1265
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: It didn't work. And should you know, if you had

1266
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: to do it over again, anything you can think of,

1267
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: you have done differently. Uh, probably been making I probably

1268
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: would have made it more top forty centered with that

1269
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: same Pirate image. I mean there's people who still love

1270
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: that station, and they had they had a website devoted

1271
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: to it, and I still get mailed from people, you know,

1272
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: like emails from people who enjoyed the station and remember it. Okay,

1273
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: it ends at Pirate how soon? And how do you

1274
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 1: end up back in New York? I came right back

1275
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: and started at another station in New York when we're

1276
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more adult than Z one,

1277
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: and that did very well. We were like number one

1278
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: females and uh, it didn't have the same pizzas, but

1279
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: it was a good, solid, successful radio station, a big

1280
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: money maker for the company ABC TV Radio and what

1281
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: you have in the morning. I'm living in l A,

1282
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: so I don't really know. We were very successful in

1283
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: the morning. It was like the I think one of

1284
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: the top two or three radio morning shows. So it

1285
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: was a zoo like concept. At Mellower. You know, it

1286
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: was it was. It was more of a US, a

1287
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: two man show. It was a comedy and we did

1288
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: phone scams where you know, we called people up and

1289
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: put them on and all that kind of thing. But

1290
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was. It was a successful project.

1291
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. We did it for twenty one years.

1292
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: So I would say it went pretty well. And how

1293
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: did you how did that end? It ended? How did

1294
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: it in? Oh? I got stabbed in the back by

1295
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 1: my partner, That's how it ended well? Said, it's all public.

1296
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: Who is your partner? His name was Todd petting Gill

1297
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: that he wants In his defense, he wanted the show.

1298
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: He thought he could do it better by himself, and

1299
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: it didn't work out that way. And how soon before

1300
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 1: you ended up at CBS two weeks Okay, let's go back.

1301
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: You start Morning Zoo Howard Stern and comes up with

1302
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: a show where there's a lot of talking. What do

1303
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: you think of Stern show? I always have always been

1304
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: a Howard fan. Unfortunately he hasn't always been a Scott

1305
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: fan because I happened to be, you know, up against him,

1306
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: and he's he didn't he didn't mow me down like

1307
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: he's done many many other competitors. And now we're on

1308
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: speaking basis friends of sorts. You know, he doesn't, he

1309
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: doesn't really, Uh, he's not. He's not a guy who

1310
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: runs around with other guys. You know. He pretty much

1311
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 1: stays on his own lane. And would you call yourself

1312
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: a guy who runs with other guys? Are just more

1313
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: than Howard, A little more than Howard. Yeah, I get

1314
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: out a bit more than he does. I think most

1315
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: people get out of little a bit more than he does. Right,

1316
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: And how do you end up doing syndicated shows? Um?

1317
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: They were just offered to me. And I do as

1318
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: much radio as I can. I do a lot of

1319
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: different things. I have an oldies network called the True

1320
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: Oldies Channel, and I told you that that each of

1321
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: the sixties, mostly the sixties and some seventies. And I

1322
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: do a Classic Hits weekend show that's on k Earth

1323
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and of course on my station here

1324
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: in New York. And then I also do voice over.

1325
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: I uh, the voice of Sean Hannity's network six and

1326
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: seventies stations. I introduced him and certain little sweepers and

1327
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: things like that. Production And how did you meet Sean Unity.

1328
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: We were in the same building. He started out with

1329
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: ABC and I worked for ABC when we at b LJ,

1330
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: And uh, he's one of the uh finest guys that

1331
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 1: I know, is very easy to work with and mental.

1332
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't seem to care for him

1333
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: on a political basis, but in him and I get

1334
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: along time. Well, he's not tourious, no choices. Right away,

1335
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: everybody says he's a great guy from every every spectrum

1336
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: of the political sphere. I would do anything for him

1337
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: and he's great. Okay, how about the issue that he's

1338
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 1: known for a particular political viewpoint? Is it that you

1339
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: align with that or your friends with them or what?

1340
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm friends with him, But I mean, we certainly don't.

1341
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we don't discuss you know, I would

1342
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: lean more that way than the other way if I

1343
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: had to pick a lane. But he doesn't care that

1344
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm the announcer, I'm the voice over guy.

1345
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: He doesn't he didn't try to uh preach to me.

1346
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way or whatever. We're friends and

1347
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: we discuss golf and other things. How good a golfer?

1348
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 1: Are you mediocre? How often you play five days a week. Okay,

1349
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: when you were on the radio, we're still on the

1350
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: radio on the radio. What's your daily schedule? I get

1351
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: up at three fifteen, I'm in the city. At five,

1352
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: five am, I do show prep. M go on there

1353
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: at six. We're off at nine, and if it's nice out,

1354
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: I t off around ten fifteen, ten thirty, and then

1355
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: I come back and record in the afternoon and early evening. Okay, Look,

1356
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: where do you live. I'm not asking for the street address,

1357
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, no, in Westchester County. I'm not a

1358
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: city guy. And you're a member of a club there,

1359
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: so you can play golf. You have your regular but

1360
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: you have your regular buddies. It's not like. It's not

1361
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: like I play with everybody. I play with anybody and everybody,

1362
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just I don't like playing with the

1363
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: I play with. I don't play with the same people

1364
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: all the time. And do you play for money? Very little? Okay?

1365
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: So you come back and record stuff, and then when

1366
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: do you leave again the next morning? No? No, no,

1367
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: when do you leave the studio after you come back

1368
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: to record stuff. I'm in my studio now, in my house. Okay,

1369
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: let me ask a question. So, when you're on CBS

1370
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: right now, are you broadcasting from the city or from

1371
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: your house the city? Okay, after you play golf, you

1372
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: go back to your whole studio. And when would you

1373
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: be finished with show prep normally in your home studio six?

1374
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: And what time do you go to bed? You know,

1375
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: there's a whole life in the evening that do you

1376
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: ever feel like people might say, let's go to dinner

1377
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: or something? He said, when I'm going to bed at

1378
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: eight thirty Friday night, Friday night, Saturday night, we go

1379
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: out if we have to, well, you know, oftentimes don't.

1380
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: And how late would you go to bed on Friday

1381
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: and Saturday? Oh man, really late, like ten and getting

1382
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: up at three fifteen for all these years, how much

1383
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: of a grind does that? Uh? You never get used

1384
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 1: to it, that's it. But I like it because it

1385
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: frees up my day. I haven't programmed and uh probably

1386
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: ten years my program my own products and my own shows.

1387
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: But I don't pro I don't. Radio programming was an

1388
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: art and now it's a business. We'll tell me you

1389
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: go a little go a little deeper. Um. The trouble

1390
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: started with Bill Clinton when he freed radio owners so

1391
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: they can have multi stations. When they could have a

1392
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: cluster of stations in the market. And that's when companies,

1393
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: hedge funds and big big money got involved in radio.

1394
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 1: It was like what three three big major owners. Now

1395
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: it's just completely different. I like that when there was

1396
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: one station, one boss, and you're the you're the program director,

1397
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: your DJs worked there, and all the concentration was on

1398
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: that product and we were there to serve the community.

1399
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: And you know, that's it. Now you if one station

1400
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: gets a contest or a promotion, the other people bitch

1401
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: about it, and it's it's a different world. It's a

1402
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: different it's not fun, okay. So in the old days

1403
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: before the Telecommunications Act of maybe that was part of

1404
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that where they rolled up the stations allowed them to

1405
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: what was the key to programming a station? Well, you

1406
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: start with the music, and then you go with the personalities,

1407
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: and then you go with the production elements around it.

1408
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: You try to create a sound of that station. I

1409
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: never really built a station that was a copy of

1410
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: the other one. The morning show from Tampa was similar

1411
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: to the one in New York, but it wasn't a

1412
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: carbon copy. There was a different and people, different vibe

1413
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 1: and the same thing. UM Tampa was a completely different

1414
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: radio station overall. It was more of an adult top

1415
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: forty station, even though we had teens who listen. We're

1416
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: number one in teens, number one in plus, number one

1417
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty four. But in New York we focus

1418
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: more on a younger audience and the parents who of

1419
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: those kids. And one point in the movie is that

1420
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: the stars come to do press in Manhattan that at

1421
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: first don't want to come to the caucus. Didn't have

1422
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: cabs back then, cabs would not come to New Jersey

1423
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: and do it. Madonna got her boyfriend, a disc jobi

1424
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: named jelly Bean, to bring her over to the station. Well,

1425
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 1: that is all depicted in the movie about she's banging

1426
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: the door to have you played holiday? Were you the

1427
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: one interacting with her. She's known as being aggressive, and

1428
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean that with any connotation to what degrees

1429
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: or success based on that aggression. It's a great, great

1430
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,839
Speaker 1: deal of her success. It was a major component because

1431
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: she never took no for an answer. You have to

1432
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: admire her for that. The most important thing was her

1433
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 1: success in the minute she arrived here in New York, city.

1434
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: She was driven, he was driven, and you were the

1435
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: You were the first to play Holiday at first major

1436
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 1: station to add it, I believe I think Katie, you

1437
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: might have been playing it a little bit. It's all

1438
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: depicted that she's coming to the door. She's coming to

1439
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: the door. Ultimately, I wasn't the primary contact at that time.

1440
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: If somebody wasn't happy with the answers they were getting

1441
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 1: from my music director, they could see me, and that

1442
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: was her demand. I want to talk who else? Who

1443
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: makes up the decisions? But she knew by that time

1444
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: when don't know, they knew who I was, and she

1445
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: she wanted that record on Z one h it because

1446
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: it was the hot station at the time. Did you

1447
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: know she was Madonna at that point? In just another

1448
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: woman coming to your door? She was you know, she

1449
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: was not Madonna yet. I mean she called her name

1450
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: was Madonna, but you know she was a nightclub animal.

1451
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: And how did people ultimately start coming to the caucus

1452
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: when the ratings came out We didn't have to buy

1453
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: our own music anymore. They showed up, They showed up big.

1454
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: It was But the reason it was so important is

1455
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that we were like the number one music we we

1456
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: broke songs when we played a song that the rest

1457
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: of the stations, not the rest of them, but a

1458
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of stations around the country would be in flu

1459
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: wents by our playlist. Okay, and anybody you haven't met

1460
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: that you'd like to meet, The ones that I that

1461
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I would like to meet are no longer here. John

1462
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Lennon never interviewed him. I talked to George Ringo, Paul

1463
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: several times. Interview Jagger Keith great interview. Not really, I don't.

1464
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Would you? Is this all professional or any

1465
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: of these people you're regular friends with. I don't have

1466
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: any show bid they're not friends. I mean, it's a

1467
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: big difference between show biz friends and friends, and these

1468
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: leave me. I know so many guys in radio and

1469
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 1: in in in publications and television, they really get confused.

1470
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: They think these are their real friends. They lose their

1471
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: job and see how often they hang out with you,

1472
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, never they know you can't you know what,

1473
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't hang out. Do you do you

1474
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: have civilian friends I've got I've got a friend of mine.

1475
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: I got a friend of mine who's a musician, but

1476
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: we're not friends for that purpose. He played. He's in

1477
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: Billy Joel's band and you know, a wonderful guy and

1478
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: we do things, have dinner once in a while, and

1479
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: he plays gigs whenever he's around if I need him.

1480
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's plays for a children's hospital every year

1481
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: we do a show. But he's a friend, friend, He

1482
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: just happens to do that for a living. Is that

1483
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: how you met him through Billy's man? Okay, you were

1484
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: talking to Doug, our engineer earlier, and you said you

1485
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: got your board from Rush Limbaugh. Do I have that right?

1486
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: So how did that come to happen? He worked in

1487
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: the same building with us in ABC. Also he got

1488
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: he was he was before Sean and he would come

1489
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: in my office and just talk about music. We didn't

1490
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: talk politics. He you know, he was a discjoct he

1491
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: but he actually when he built his home, uh down

1492
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach, he had like a radio station with

1493
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: turntables and he had it. He loved music. He was

1494
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: a big music fan. He would sit and talk seventies

1495
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: of late sixties music, beatles music, his favorite songs and

1496
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: uh it just he he was a nice guy. I

1497
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: had no problem with him whatsoever. He was a very

1498
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: shy person. And okay, the radio landscape is radically different

1499
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: the way from what it used to be. Certainly AM

1500
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: ruled in the sixties seventies FM, Oh, there was still

1501
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,480
Speaker 1: pop AM. Then Top forty went to FM in the eighties,

1502
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: and then we had the breakthrough of political talk radio.

1503
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, first, to what degree to the twenty two

1504
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,480
Speaker 1: minutes of commercials eighteen to twenty two minutes of commercials

1505
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: hurt terrestrial radio killed him? Yeah, didn't didn't kill them,

1506
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: but it fatally injured them. It was trendic. You know.

1507
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: If there wouldn't have been that, that complete reversal of

1508
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the radio station is supposed to serve the community and

1509
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: you can only have one or two at the very most.

1510
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: That that came down from the government, I don't think

1511
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: the success of Serious x M would have been what

1512
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: it is today. I mean, we just radio just played

1513
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: right into the hands of anybody else. They took over

1514
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the music, not just Serious XM, but all the other

1515
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: streaming services. Just that's it. We killed ourselves. Okay, So

1516
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: when you were running the eight eighties, how many minutes

1517
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 1: of commercials did you have? An hour? Really eight minutes

1518
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: ten in the morning? Ate the rest of the day.

1519
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: What is the future of music radio commercial terrestrio. I

1520
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: can't say it's bright. I think it's I think radio

1521
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 1: is gonna have to become more of a more dependent

1522
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: on spoken word and personalities and content. So you think

1523
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen? And what is it gonna look like?

1524
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna look like. I don't

1525
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: know when it's going to happen, but it certainly is

1526
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: beginning to happen now it's been going on. I mean,

1527
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you know these subscriptions, the Serious x M have gone up.

1528
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Look at the all the streaming services. Were you ever

1529
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: approached by Serious XM? No? No, if they approach you,

1530
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: would you be interested, I'd be interested. Yeah, i'd be

1531
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 1: I'd be I talked to him. That's radio, okay. And

1532
01:35:55,560 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: what's your view of serious XM? Um, it's not. The

1533
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: stations aren't programmed as well as some stations, you know.

1534
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the stations are programmed as well as

1535
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: they could be now. And I certainly grew up and

1536
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: you grew up in the air whereas radio was king.

1537
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Is there any way to make radio king anymore? Or

1538
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: we live in such an on demand culture can't happen.

1539
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I I think you've got the answer there. It's an

1540
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: on demand culture, and I don't you know, it may

1541
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: survive for longer, but I don't think it's gonna grow

1542
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: unless something comes along this revolutionary and I doubt if

1543
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. And how did you end up

1544
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 1: being part of Neil Young's journey through the past? God's sakes.

1545
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: I was working in Nashville and I happen to know

1546
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: this guy named Elliott Maser. I don't know where I

1547
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 1: met him or how I knew him, but I knew him,

1548
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: and he was helping Neil do a movie. As I

1549
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: recalled this a long time ago, and I'm a I'm

1550
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: a baby DJ super Shan on the air in Nashville, Tennessee,

1551
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: and we get a call on the request line that

1552
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: Neil Young wants to come by and do an interview.

1553
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,520
Speaker 1: I said, oh, okay, so I got a I had

1554
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 1: an intern and uh he went, and you were on

1555
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: the way. We'll be there in a half an hour.

1556
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: It's a Friday night, and the kid goes and lets

1557
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: him in the front door, but there's a film crew

1558
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: with him. They didn't mention that, and this is in

1559
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: the This is in the seventies when they had those

1560
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: great big cameras. There were two of them, and he's

1561
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: got his girlfriend with him at the time. That girl

1562
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that played Oh God, Diary of the Mad Housewife, Now

1563
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: that was a movie she was in. She was a

1564
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: girl lived in the attic. Right, it was a diagram Madhousewife. Yeah,

1565
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: that was the movie. Okay, I forget all about it.

1566
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that it was his girlfriend. I

1567
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: thought it was his wife. I remember, I screwed that

1568
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: up and he left his wife and was carry Terry Snodgress.

1569
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: That's it, That's who it was. Man reached back there.

1570
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: So they walked into the control room and I had

1571
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,719
Speaker 1: no idea what was going on, and he just started

1572
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: rolling and I interviewed him and played some contemplates, some

1573
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: cuts from his album. Uh that was played some Buffalo

1574
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: Springfield that he sang on and uh. The interview wasn't

1575
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,839
Speaker 1: very good, but it went out live on a Friday

1576
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: night and h Elliott said, could you play that again

1577
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,879
Speaker 1: tomorrow night? So we shoot some scenes of them listening

1578
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: to it in their hotel room. I said, okay, And

1579
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 1: on Saturday also they picked me up and I took

1580
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: him around Nashville for some shooting points. We went out

1581
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: to the local drag strip, and I remember being in

1582
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the car with him and I was in the front

1583
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: seat him and carrying the back seat, and they were

1584
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: smoking a big bat joint and I didn't I didn't partake.

1585
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I had the window down because I was more of

1586
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: a juicer then and uh, we went to the drag strip.

1587
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,719
Speaker 1: I said, come over here, this would be a good shot.

1588
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: We had a one camera shoot going. And they had

1589
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: some uh some guys there with a car and there's

1590
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: a two black guys that were in the car and

1591
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: they were getting ready to drag to run it. But

1592
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, and you know, looked at it. Why

1593
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: this car said look at the name on the tail fin.

1594
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mr Soul, which is a song that it

1595
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 1: took him a second to realize why. I was telling

1596
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: you need to stand over here. But it is to

1597
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 1: get it, you know. I was trying to suggests a

1598
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: scene for the movie, you know. And uh and and

1599
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: then uh, that night we we edited the interview down

1600
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: and in the film, him and Carrier in their hotel

1601
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: room listening to a Mickey Mouse plastic radio interviewing them

1602
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 1: and they're smoking a big joint and that's in the

1603
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: movie and flat flash flash forward years later. I was

1604
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: at the at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

1605
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: at the Waldorf Hotel and I went into the bathroom

1606
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: to relieve myself and he walks in. He's at the

1607
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 1: unial next to me. He says, how's it going, Scott.

1608
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 1: I had not seen him since the seventies in Elle,

1609
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going I'm fine. I couldn't cut out. Hellly

1610
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: knew I was that. That was me that remember we

1611
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: did them. He's going to a Remember we did that

1612
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: movie together in Nashville. I forgot all about it. You're right,

1613
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: but they put my picture on the album. It was

1614
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: a fold open album. It was a stiff album and

1615
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: a stef movie. But that was my first chance to

1616
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: be in the movies. It was fun. Now we were

1617
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: starting your your big fan of the pre Beatles fifties music,

1618
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: and you talk about programming top forty stations after the

1619
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: classic rock era. We are you a fan of that

1620
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: FM rock? Are you a fan of these new music?

1621
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: Are really you're a fan of the oldies. I like

1622
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: I like music period. I like there's some great country music.

1623
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm nuts about. I like Blake Shelton song and I

1624
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: I like a lot of country songs. I like a

1625
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: song with a hook. I'm not really good. The first

1626
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 1: time I ever heard the first time I've ever heard

1627
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Benny and the Jets, I didn't understand that it was good.

1628
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't even played it anyway. And then after

1629
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: about ten spins, I got it many many many in

1630
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: the Jets, but I didn't get it at first. I'm

1631
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: more of a pop guy, you know. I like the Beatles.

1632
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: My favorite Beatles album is Meet the Beatles. But you know,

1633
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: most no one says that Serjian Pepper's Let It Be

1634
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. Well, my favorite in America's Beatles in England, uh,

1635
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: the Beatles for Sale. It's got every little thing and

1636
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: no reply whatever. If that's the one I lost. Rubber

1637
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 1: Soul it was pretty hot too. I thought that was

1638
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: a good album. I like Rubber Solo a lot. Listen,

1639
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: they're all good, and I certainly you know in my

1640
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: life as time going on has really penetrated. Any other

1641
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: couple of other inside radio stories you want to share

1642
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: with us, I'm done. I'm talked out. At six thirty

1643
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: I gotta go to bed, so okay, then I'll ask

1644
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: you one last question. Will you be remembered? Do you think?

1645
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: And do you care? I really don't care. I did

1646
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: what I want to do and I'm still doing what

1647
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I love to do. And um, I don't think anything.

1648
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't think people get remembered much anymore. I mean,

1649
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, when someone famous dies, man, they you know,

1650
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,440
Speaker 1: they play their records for a couple of weeks and

1651
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: kind of fades out. Unfortunately, that's the way the world goes. Everybody.

1652
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's something new that takes the attention away

1653
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: right away. Well, I'm gonna let you go to sleep.

1654
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 1: I was at the end of my time anyway. And Scott,

1655
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for taking the

1656
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: time to talk to me in my audience. Well, I

1657
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Well,

1658
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: I could analyze why, but I'll just accept that as

1659
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: it is. So because you know, you're you're, you're, you're

1660
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 1: dangerously precise in a lot of areas, and that it was.

1661
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: You know, I read your stuff. I read you when

1662
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: you're upset, I read you when you're not a fan,

1663
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: and you know you go up and down, and then

1664
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: you're lovable and make me cry thinking about some of

1665
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: the when you bring back the memories of the summer

1666
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: camps and all that kind of stuff. I enjoy your

1667
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: writing and uh you have a marvelous uh sphere of

1668
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 1: experience and thoughts. Now you're gonna make me cry. Now

1669
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,599
Speaker 1: you're just you know, I like it, and you're smart

1670
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: enough to list the complaint letters when they go, Man,

1671
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a good world and you're finally

1672
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 1: figuring out a way to monetize it. Absolutely. But on

1673
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 1: that note, we're gonna call it a day. Scott, thanks

1674
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: for the time. Until next time, it's Bob left Sex