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Speaker 1: Welcome to Day three at the NFL Combine. Our final

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Speaker 1: live two hours show, Big Blue kick Off Live from

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Speaker 1: Light Awards, apt to an Amazing Giants Prizes, John Schmulk,

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Speaker 1: pall to Tino and leading off Day three, one of

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Speaker 1: the old school of voices covering the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: that is Pete Prisco from I was telling Paul he

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Speaker 1: this is his dream show, but he's he loves old

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Speaker 1: school football guys like you, Pete, who have been doing

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Speaker 1: this a real long time. And how has this event

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Speaker 1: changed since the beginning, Because I mean I started coming

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Speaker 1: it was then. I can only imagine for somebody like you, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Crown Plaza hotels where the players stay right over here.

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Speaker 1: When I started coming to the Combine, the media events

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Speaker 1: were in the lobby of that hotel. So they bring

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Speaker 1: and they'd sit around and maybe four or five guys

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Speaker 1: would sit there with him. That's that's how the Combine

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Speaker 1: was for me when I first started. I remember chasing

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Speaker 1: Steve McNair out of their one year because the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: might have picked them and I was coming the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: and I ran after him. And uh, that's how this

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Speaker 1: combine has changed so much. It's so much structured, more

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Speaker 1: structured now. And I think I heard a number four

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Speaker 1: hundred credentials this year. Yeah, it's it's it's unbelievable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But but it's great though. The bigger the better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know. I keep hearing they might be moving this

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Speaker 1: because I think this is a perfect The weather is

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Speaker 1: not good, but it's a perfect spot. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, what are the things you like better

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Speaker 1: And now they moved this over here. So it's kind

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Speaker 1: becase they're all walk into the stadium, which you have

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Speaker 1: draft starts with the first pick. How seriously should we

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Speaker 1: year with their Steve times for now quote from the

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Speaker 1: and it's funny. I love your battles with Charles Robinson

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this about Murray, And you're right, Pete.

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Speaker 1: No matter what height he came in at, they were

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Speaker 1: idea of what Haskins is gonna be. Right, he's more

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Speaker 1: out and those kind of guys. No, but he's plenty

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Speaker 1: know what's interesting, though, Pete, and I wanna walker up

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Speaker 1: gonna give the prospect credit for making the throw. Haskins

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Speaker 1: And he also threw at consistently the worst defensive back

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Speaker 1: want to penalize him for that. But I'm not going

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Speaker 1: that have happened. Yeah, it's unbelievable. They watched all the

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Speaker 1: stink off every final question and Dave Gentleman kind of

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Speaker 1: left the door open as the weather or not thinking

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Speaker 1: a franchise landing Collins? Right, what do you think the

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Speaker 1: opinion around the league is of Collins and the value

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Speaker 1: right now in the league of safety that's plays close

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Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage and isn't that single high

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Speaker 1: you know, cover three, you know free you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I think Colin is a good football player, but the

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Speaker 1: game is morphed away from that. You know, we can

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Speaker 1: go back. I saw Steve Attwater last night. He works

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Speaker 1: over he was doing radio over here and where with

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Speaker 1: Steve Atwater would play linebacker probably now the way. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know the value of Colin. I think he's good.

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Speaker 1: But you know, coverage is important nowadays when everybody spreads

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Speaker 1: you out and you gotta be able to cover people. Well,

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Speaker 1: he has to be paired with a safety who can

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Speaker 1: work those areas while he's doing the other stuff. Right,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have a site like if you had when

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Speaker 1: back in the day when they played Camp Chancellor down

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Speaker 1: in the box in Seattle and they had Earl Thomas

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Speaker 1: to run side on the sideline if we but cover

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Speaker 1: three has kind of been the guys have figured that

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Speaker 1: out a little bit now, have you noticed that, you know,

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Speaker 1: to cover three teams have had a lot of problems lately.

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Speaker 1: So and that is still the bill coverage. That's what

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams still do playcause they want to

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Speaker 1: get that eighth man in the box on first and

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Speaker 1: second down, right. I don't think you don't think they'll

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Speaker 1: tag him, do you? I don't think they will, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm coming here. I thought they definitely would.

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Speaker 1: After Dave Gentleman spoke the other day. Yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they would tag him. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: they would tag him. Giants cap situation is rather tight

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, so it could certainly inhibit Day from

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Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, I don't know. I look, I thought

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago he was a better player,

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Speaker 1: he had it better well he was like Sey, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I mean. That's another concern. Didn't have a

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Speaker 1: shoulder done. Yeah, they they need the form man he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a second or third and defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year voting, I think a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Peter great stuff man, we really appreciates sports. Will be

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Speaker 1: back with Tom Rock from Newsday. Right after that, we're

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Speaker 1: back here on Big Blue kick Golf Live presented by Corps.

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Speaker 1: Like John Spell pulled the Tino, Tom Rock from Newsday

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Speaker 1: joins his next on Big Blue Kickoff Live right here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. We thank Pete Priscoe, Tom and

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Speaker 1: it's a good place to start. When we left with

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Speaker 1: Pete and we'll pose that question to you about Landon

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Speaker 1: collins Um coming here, both of us thought, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna get tagged, and then we listened to Dave Gettleman

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Speaker 1: the other day and we're like, oh, maybe not your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some economic gymnasis ticks that they

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Speaker 1: have to go through to do to do that, to

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Speaker 1: to use that tag. But I think that what Dave

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Speaker 1: Getleman said mostly the other day that's scared a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like like you off from from thinking that

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Speaker 1: that was a short thing was was his answer to

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins is posturing and it was just another a

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Speaker 1: chance to say, well, you know, we have we have

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Speaker 1: a choice here too. And so my my, my guess

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Speaker 1: is that it does get done because it just it

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Speaker 1: just makes sense. That's you know, he's he's a defensive

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Speaker 1: playmaker on a team that is hungry for defensive playmakers.

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Speaker 1: He's a young you know, he's a three time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: I know that that gets bandied about. He probably didn't

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Speaker 1: have a Pro Bowl season last year, but but he

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Speaker 1: still is a Pro Bowl type player. And UH, I

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Speaker 1: think if you give him the resources, as I think

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Speaker 1: Paul told Pete just a minute ago, in terms of

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Speaker 1: having having somebody help in the coverage things like that,

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Speaker 1: I think he can be a pretty dynamic playmaker for them.

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Speaker 1: I think think about Landing with the UH cleaning up

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Speaker 1: the locker and all that, all that stuff overlown well,

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Speaker 1: whatever it was. Listen, you know you ask players sometimes

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Speaker 1: and you say, if you weren't playing football, what would

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Speaker 1: what would you be doing? With Landon Collins. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's an answer to the footballs is that he

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Speaker 1: is a football player. So the question isn't that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna pull a Levy on Bell and sit out the season.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of when he shows up.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if he's not on the field with

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Speaker 1: them in the spring, but he's but he's home working

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Speaker 1: out and doing all his stuff, that's fine. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think the giants, you know, would be would

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Speaker 1: be crying about all of that. I think that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, once the season starts, if you take him,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna show up and he's gonna play well.

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Speaker 1: And that's the interesting thing for me, Tom because at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season, when the media conveyed a

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Speaker 1: rout his locker at Baggy Day, he told everybody, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a choice. They can tag me and that's fine,

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Speaker 1: and if they do, I'll play for it. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the arrative came out based off of

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Speaker 1: the Espiano report. That's suddenly he's not gonna play for

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Speaker 1: the tag and he's angry and it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous to me. I don't know what Landon Collins

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Speaker 1: would do if he wasn't playing football. I mean that

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Speaker 1: then he loves the game to for him to sit out,

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Speaker 1: for him to miss those those games at the end

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Speaker 1: of the season, which were meaningless games the last two

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Speaker 1: seasons with his injuries I think killed him. So to

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Speaker 1: be actually missing games that matter in the in the

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Speaker 1: beginning part of the season. I can't see Landon Collins

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Speaker 1: doing that, even if there is a financial windfall coming

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Speaker 1: down the road, which, by the way, Sald the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag is not exactly uh, you know, the opposite of

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Speaker 1: financial windfall. No, And it's funny, I think, and Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman said this to us to where you know, he's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand when getting the franchise tag for a

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Speaker 1: player became such a bad thing. I mean, go ask

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins how that worked out for him, getting the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag for a couple of straight years. It's not

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Speaker 1: the best thing. But it's not the worst thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not, and and and you know you're compensated for it,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, I don't think that I think

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Speaker 1: players have this this conception that um, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: this is awful and it's and it's costing the millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of dollars, and and especially for a player

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Speaker 1: as young as Landon Collins, I just don't feel like

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Speaker 1: that's the case. I mean, you know, so so now

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Speaker 1: he's twenty five. So next year he'll be a free

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Speaker 1: agent again, and he'll be twenty six years old, and

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Speaker 1: ideally have a year under this system. Ideally have a

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Speaker 1: year where the defense was better suited to his talents

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Speaker 1: and his skills, that he was able to flourish and

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Speaker 1: make more impact plays than he was last year. And

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Speaker 1: and ideally, uh, you know, then cash in on a

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Speaker 1: on a long term deal with with a lot of

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Speaker 1: guaranteed money. My phone is blowing up here as I

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Speaker 1: take a look at this sucker that NFL Network has

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Speaker 1: two reports from me and Rappaport and Microfolo that the

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Speaker 1: Giants are shopping Olivier Vernon. Now we know that his

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Speaker 1: numbers is high for the production that he gave them.

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Speaker 1: As I've said to people before, I think Vernon's a

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Speaker 1: good player and he's robbing. He's not that man, and

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Speaker 1: that's the problem. They asked him to be man last

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Speaker 1: year and he wasn't able to fill that cowl. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good line, Okay, So well, right, so he

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Speaker 1: needs a batman, which I think they can draft with

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Speaker 1: the six spot in the draft and get a batman

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Speaker 1: for him. But the problem is if you don't believe that,

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Speaker 1: or if you think his number is too high, you

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Speaker 1: may have other plans for him. How do you see

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Speaker 1: this playing out? Well, I think it's it's it's the number.

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Speaker 1: Is the is the salary cap number. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the defining um element in this in this decision.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not whether or not Olivier Vernon is

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Speaker 1: a is a good player, a great player, or what

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Speaker 1: he's worth. You know, you basically you're paying the contract

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Speaker 1: for that he signed to through was it three years ago?

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Speaker 1: Right now? Now is the time to pay up on

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Speaker 1: that on that deal and and and this is this

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Speaker 1: is uh, you know, this is when you gotta you

582
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Speaker 1: gotta put out for that really for that for that

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Speaker 1: deal that that they signed, that the former regimes signed

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Speaker 1: him to, So you have to figure out how how

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Speaker 1: he's gonna play in your defense. And and like like

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Speaker 1: Paul said, I think you need to anyway, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and they they barely had one last year, uh

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Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of edge rushers. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you trade him or release him, you're

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Speaker 1: still paying the signing bonus that's left. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like the financial is already different. You don't you don't

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Speaker 1: get all free, and then the other team's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to pick up the contract, and then that will then

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Speaker 1: limit the type of return you would get in any

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Speaker 1: you know, potential thing too, So you know, one way

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Speaker 1: or the other, I think they're trying to do what's best.

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Speaker 1: And but to me, it's not gonna be easy to

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Speaker 1: me the trade. The idea of trading him at least

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Speaker 1: gives you some value back and as opposed to maybe

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Speaker 1: just releasing him. It's the same reason in a week

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Speaker 1: or two for trading Snacks back during the season, same

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Speaker 1: exact situation. And I would suspect that Dave Gettlman is

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Speaker 1: trying to get that third round pick to get back

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Speaker 1: into that round in this year's draft, whether or not

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Speaker 1: you can get that for Vernon, I think he needs

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Speaker 1: to get back into that third round. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's that's basically why I think they traded Apple and

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Speaker 1: and Snacks too, is is to get that um to

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Speaker 1: get those assets there in the lower rounds to be

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Speaker 1: able to jump up. You know, if they if they

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Speaker 1: actually use those those sixth and seventh round picks for

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Speaker 1: sixth and seventh round picks, I think that those uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the whole trade, the whole trades and the

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Speaker 1: way they set up this draft is going to be

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Speaker 1: a failure. You know, those those picks need to be used.

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Speaker 1: They need to be bundled together, and and and and uh.

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Speaker 1: I used to jump up a lot of picking ten

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Speaker 1: players in this draft, especially the bulk in the third day,

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Speaker 1: is not going to really help them much, you know. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean they have so many needs right now that

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Speaker 1: you need, you need, you need as many assets up

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Speaker 1: top as as you can get, and you need as

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Speaker 1: many guys who can come in and play right away

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Speaker 1: as you can get. Shermanman went out of his way

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Speaker 1: yesterday or on Wednesday, I should say, to leave himself

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Speaker 1: open to drafting a quarterback of Kyler Murray stature um

627
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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman went out of his way to say I

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Speaker 1: would love to leave the Giants with the franchise quarterback

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Speaker 1: the way only of course he did. He also said,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to be pressured that I had

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Speaker 1: to do it this year and picked the wrong guy. Um,

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Speaker 1: your feelings now on the chances the Giants do goal

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Speaker 1: quarterback high in the strap as they've got him, and

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Speaker 1: also said, look, if you're getting a franchise quarterback, you

635
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Speaker 1: gotta do your first round. Thank you gotta use them

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Speaker 1: in the first round, right, Yeah, I think that. I

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Speaker 1: think Haskins is a is a really intriguing player because

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Speaker 1: he fits their needs in terms of immediate and long term.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's a better shot than Murray? Yes? Yeah,

640
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Speaker 1: I mean I listen, if if you sign Murray, you know,

641
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: among the myriad issues you're gonna have with Kyler Murray

642
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: is the concussions that your left tackle is gonna have

643
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: because he could be plunked in the back of the

644
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: head with somebody passes throughout throughout the year. I mean,

645
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, Nate Soldiers, what he's gonna be almost the

646
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: footaller than than than it's you know, I mean think

647
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: think about that. You know, I can't even see around

648
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Nate Solder. How is how is Kyler Murray gonna be

649
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: able to do that while he's moving and with the

650
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: defensive lineman there? That to me, to me, you know,

651
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: I think everybody's being polite about this hype thing. I

652
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: think nobody wants to be the bad guy to come

653
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: out and say he's too short. But I think he's

654
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: too short, you know, I you know, I think he

655
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: can play. I think there are things that he can

656
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: do as a quarterback on the field, but I don't

657
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: think he can I don't think he could be a

658
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: championship quarterback. And then you know, you look at everybody

659
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: makes the Russell Wilson comparison. Russell Wilson played fifty games

660
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: in college and Russell Wilson was the third round pick.

661
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: So you're talking about Kyler Murray at the top of

662
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: the first round that that seems like a pretty big

663
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: gamble to me. There, you heard what Pete Briscoe said.

664
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: You were over there in the green room as Priscoe

665
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: was here, and you know he made the Charlie Ward comparisonation,

666
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: different generation. Right now, everybody just gets infatuated with these

667
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: playmakers and these athletes, and sometimes they lose sight of

668
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: old school football, which still wins in my opinion. Right

669
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: the definition of what these guys have to I mean,

670
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: used to be six foot and now all of a sudden,

671
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: this guy is an eighth of an inch hole in

672
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: the five ten and everybody says, oh, you made it.

673
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: That was a surprise. It's like five dan, what a

674
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: great job? What right? I mean, I guess, I guess

675
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: because people were speculating that he was five eight or

676
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: or you know, barely five nine, but barely he's barely

677
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: five ten. Yeah, I mean, does that really make a difference,

678
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: you know when you when you're talking about trying to

679
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: trying to look over the line and see the feeling.

680
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I heard Pete tell tell that story about

681
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Drew Brees throwing blind. You know has a skill, and

682
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: that's Drew Drew Brees second round pick by the way,

683
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Drew Kyler Murray, point Kyler Murray. Do you think he

684
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: has the Drew Brees gene in him? I don't know.

685
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, maybe he does, but you know,

686
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: I don't. I think if you're the Giants, you want

687
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: somebody else to find that out, not not you with

688
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: with a top pick. And I think that's a very

689
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: important draft. Put it this way, whatever Kyler Murray came

690
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: in at five eight, five, nine, five ten, the defensive

691
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: lineman who's coming in, it's probably six three, And it

692
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anyway. Could you imagine somebody like Chris Canty

693
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: coming in and trying you know he was, he was

694
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: six six six. Can't you imagine somebody like him? So,

695
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know, I know he's fast,

696
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: and I know he's quick and he can get out

697
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: of there. But and then the other thing too, is

698
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: so now you're worried about his um, his endurance, his

699
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: his injuries and and susceptible injuries. And you're coming off

700
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback that for fifteen years was gonna showing up

701
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: every Sunday. Uh, you know, never missed a game because

702
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: of injury, and now all of a sudden, you gotta

703
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: worry about a week to week whether this guy is

704
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: going to take a hit at the sideline or twisted

705
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: ankle or knee or something like that. I just don't

706
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: think it's I don't think it's the right fit. All right,

707
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: so your field. Then if they don't go quarterback pulling,

708
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: I have kind of come to the conclusion here that

709
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: if they don't go QB, it's either gonna be old

710
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: line or D line. Right, it's the offensive tackle or

711
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: pass rusher um without you can tell about players if

712
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: you want, or just you know, balance those two positions.

713
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Where do you think the Giants are more likely to

714
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: be headed with that first round pick? I think offensive line.

715
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I think I think I think there's gonna be a

716
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: rush on defensive lineman and uh so, I think that

717
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: that will give them the best offensive lineman at six,

718
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman in the draft. So do you

719
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: think they'll get the first office. I think they'll get

720
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: the first offensive line. I think that's a good chance

721
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: of that. I think I think there's an outside chance

722
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: that they look at a guy like Bosa and they

723
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: fall in love with him the way they did with Kwon,

724
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: and they jump up really yeah to try and to

725
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 1: try and get him. I think it's I think if

726
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: you I think if they think he's that special, and

727
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: there's a chance that they might because he's been kind

728
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: of out of sight out of mind for a long

729
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: time here. I would I would not be shocked if

730
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: they if they made them that you would have to

731
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: dip into next year's draft capital. And then when you're

732
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: trying to find that quarterback like get him and talked

733
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: about then what do you do? Yeah, I don't know,

734
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: it's tough. I don't know. But if but if they

735
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: have an eviction on a player and they're so close

736
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: at six, maybe you know, see that's the key word conviction.

737
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: If I'm talking about he's gonna be he's gotta be

738
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: the defensive to yesterday or the y I've totally lost

739
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: track of the day's folks. It happens when you're out here. Uh.

740
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: And he said basically, at six, you gotta slam your

741
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: fist on the table and say I want that guy.

742
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: You have to be that emphatic. At six, you know,

743
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: maybe a two and three you're talking about the gold jacket.

744
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: But when you get into the latter part of those

745
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: top ten, you still gotta slam your fist and say

746
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: that's the guy. And you know, ultimately, if they get

747
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: him and feels that way about any player, you can't

748
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: blame him for taking him, because that's his job. I

749
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: still think they should take take Haskins. Okay, I think

750
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: that I think Haskins is is a good pick. I think,

751
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: I think because he's not I don't I don't know

752
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: that he's necessarily plug and play ready. But you don't

753
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: need him to be. The Giants don't need him to

754
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: be because the Kansas City model right, so so so

755
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: they groom him. And whether it takes until November or

756
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: whether it takes until next September, he's he's ready, he's

757
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: ready to go in when when he was ready. Here's

758
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: what I will say, Tom, because I feel like, um,

759
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the same plane as as what

760
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: they're thinking. I would like Haskins to be that guy.

761
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I think they probably want him to be that guy

762
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: that they can slam their fist on the table and say, boy,

763
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: we have conviction at six. I think they want to

764
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: be For me, he's not there, and I don't know

765
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: if he's there for them yet. And I don't know

766
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: that the combine or a pro day can bridge that

767
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: gap to get him there. Well, that's the problem for me.

768
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: He's you know, because he's young. They haven't they haven't

769
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time face to face with him.

770
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: They you know, they haven't done a lot of questions

771
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: with him, so so they gotta get to know him.

772
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: And and this is gonna be That's what this weekend

773
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: is more about, not not whatever he does on the field.

774
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna go out on the field, he's gonna

775
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: look fine, is gonna move fine, And everybody's gonna say, oh,

776
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: he helped himself this weekend. The helping himself happens in

777
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the in the suites of the hotels, right right, So

778
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: he's got to show up, you know, firm handshake. Look, look,

779
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: everybody in the I answer the right question on the

780
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: board and do the right stuff. Even even that I

781
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: think is is down the list a little bit from

782
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: how he how he projects himself as a friend, as

783
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise. Can he be the face

784
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: of the organization? Can he be the guy that when

785
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: everything's gone wrong in a game and they blew it,

786
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: he's not gonna throw somebody under the bus, Because that's

787
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: what the quarterback for the last fifteen years has been

788
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: able to final one for me, Tom other priorities this

789
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: offseason for you, for the Gihnats, you talked about quarterback,

790
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: right tackle, pass rush. What else are you looking at

791
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: this offseason that the gihn'teat accomplished. We got to find

792
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: a cornerback, you know, I don't know. I'm sure they

793
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: think Sam Beale is gonna come in and and maybe

794
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: compete for a starting job. And Davidan said they believe

795
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: he would be a second round thick in this year's

796
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: left So, uh, you know, I think they need to

797
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: get a little more experience, a little more depth there. Safety.

798
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I think they gotta figure out figure out safety. You know,

799
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: if they if they do have Landon Collins back, they

800
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: need to give him talked about Batman and Robin. They

801
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: need to find him a Robin because he can be

802
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: a batman. He is a batman, but he's so far

803
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: he's he's hasn't had his his sidekick. You know, He's

804
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: gone through how many people in the last four years,

805
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: uh that that we thought we're gonna be there, Darry

806
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: and Thompson and and uh Brandon, Merryweather and and and

807
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean the list goes on and

808
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: on about guys of guys who we thought we're gonna

809
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna be paired up with him. You know Adams, Uh,

810
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, it just keeps going on. You know, Curtis

811
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Riley obviously is is uh. I don't. I don't think

812
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: it's the is the answer there um, But but they're

813
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: gonna I think they need to find somebody that's uh

814
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: that that that's gonna be uh back there and a

815
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: playmaker and that's going to allow Land to emphasize what

816
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: he does well and take the things that he does

817
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: poorly off of his plate a little bit. Everybody seems

818
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: to forget about one name when they talk about the

819
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Giants in the two thousand nineteen season coming up, Tom,

820
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: No one forget and I'm and I'm blown away by it,

821
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you. But nobody talks about

822
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Jamal Brown, who was a huge, huge pickup for that

823
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: offensive line way were picked up during the bye week,

824
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: solidified the line. Look, he's not an All Pro, he

825
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: does have some trouble in pass pro, but he was

826
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: a dynamite run blocker and really seemed to pick up

827
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: the play that offensive line by at least two notches.

828
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: He is an unrestricted free agent. Nobody has asked Pat

829
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: Shermer or Dave Gentleman about the status of him coming back,

830
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: because if he doesn't come back, guess what, now you

831
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: have an even bigger hole on that offensive line than

832
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: you do today. That is a big That is a

833
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: big hole. But it's gonna cost you too. I mean,

834
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna give a hometown this county.

835
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: It was his hometown for for eight weeks, you know. So,

836
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: so he has no attachment to the Giants. I mean,

837
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: he may have liked it here, he may have been

838
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: pleased that they gave him another shot, but there were

839
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: there were a lot of teams. I'm sure they're putting

840
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: claims for him. The Giants just happened to stink at

841
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the time, and they had the number two positions in

842
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the draft waiver waiver wire. So, uh, you know, but

843
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: do you think it's because people assume he's coming back.

844
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: I think it's because no. I I think it is

845
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: a very big question. I think I think that it's

846
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna definitely set the tone for for a

847
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: lot of what they do with the offensive line in

848
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: the offseason, even in the draft. Uh, you know, all

849
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, if you're looking for more of a

850
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: guard player than than than a right to it's a

851
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: really big factor in my opinion. They don't. They don't

852
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: have a starting right guard or starting right tackle under

853
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: contract currently on the roster. Right that's correct, Yeah, yeah,

854
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: I would say I would say that's true, and but

855
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: that may change in the next week or two, you know.

856
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: And I think I think that a lot of people

857
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: aren't asking it because I think a lot of the

858
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: same reason why until this week a lot of people

859
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: weren't asking about the franchise tag because I think a

860
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: lot of people think that, well, that's just what you

861
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: gotta do. Tom. Thank you very much, my friends. Thanks fellas, Tom.

862
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: Great job is always. We'll be back with Tony Pauline

863
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: will join us next on Big Blue kick Off Live.

864
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867
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Speaker 1: prizes now are good, buddy, Tony Pauline. First of all, Tony,

868
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Speaker 1: where can people find your work? I think the best

869
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Speaker 1: thing to do is just Twitter Tony Pauline Draft Analyst

870
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: dot Com on Twitter at Tony Pauline. I've been looking

871
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: forward to this. I better be on my game because

872
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: I have to throw this in the word is My

873
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: sixteen year old daughter is watching this on her camera

874
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: phone at Kennedy Catholic High School. My daughter had My

875
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: daughter didn't care what I did for sixteen years, and

876
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: then she heard somebody talking about school the other day,

877
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: saying about the combine and said, you know, my dad is.

878
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: I think my dad is at the combine. And then

879
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: from what I understood, it's taken a life of its own.

880
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: So please tell me she's not taking a history test

881
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, listen, it's either one

882
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: or the other. Is Catholic school, so it's either one

883
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: or the other. All right, here we go, Tony, Let's

884
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: start with this. We've had a few people come on

885
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: here and tell us they believe, no doubt about it.

886
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: Joan Taylor is the best offensive lineman in this draft class.

887
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: Tell me why they're right or why they're wrong. The

888
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. Um, he's the best right tackle. Okay, Uh,

889
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: he's big, he's powerful, he's strong, he doesn't move all

890
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: that well. So if you're running a zone blocking system

891
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: and you want him out on a second level to

892
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: take out linebackers, I think you're gonna shy away from him. Okay,

893
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: his testing has been okay. But he's a big, powerful guy.

894
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: I think he ran because he didn't run at all

895
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: this week because the hamstring. Right. Even even if you

896
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: watch him, you know on film he's not a big

897
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: mobile guy. He's powerful. He has a lot of upside.

898
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at the best offensive linement, I

899
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be the first offensive lineman selected. I

900
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: think should be selected before Johnah Williams, that's for sure. No,

901
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't. How about Cody Ford. Cody Ford has done

902
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: very well. I mean Coldy Ford. You watch him on film,

903
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: He's a fun guy to watch. He's a big, moller

904
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: it right tack and he plays that size too. I

905
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: mean he just engulfs uh defenders at the point of attack,

906
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: blocks down on him. Did very well in drills today.

907
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Moved exceptionally well for a guy who was so big.

908
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Didn't do two well on the bench press yesterday. You know,

909
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: take it or leave it, um, But the fact is

910
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: this is he showed some skill and tackle people saying,

911
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, you can have to push him into guard.

912
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: He showed some skill in the drills today that makes

913
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: you think that you can leave him out of tackle

914
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna be a liability and pass protection

915
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: against the edge rushers. So real quick, you kind of hesitated.

916
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: You say he's the best right tackle. Who for you

917
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: was the best offensive lineman in the class? You like

918
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Bradberry the center, Bradberry's terrific. I think Andre Dillard is

919
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna make a move up. Now. You know, what happens

920
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: on draft Day is not necessarily what's gonna happen two

921
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: or three years down the road. We all get crazy

922
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: what happens with the results of draft Day two or

923
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: three years down the road. I'm watching Andre Dillard good

924
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: for three years or two years at Washington State, good

925
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, has been terrific today in drills,

926
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: and he's the purest left tackle in this year's draft.

927
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: So I think Dillard will probably be the fourth or

928
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: fifth offensive lineman selected in the draft. But I think

929
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: two or three years down the road, he could probably

930
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: be be the guy who goes to the most Pro

931
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: Bowls of this class. Interesting. Wow, All right, well, then,

932
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: how many offensive lineman should go? We all know some

933
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: guys get inflated and pushed up, but should go in

934
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: the top ten and how many should go in the

935
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: first round top ten. If Jacksonville signs Nick Foles, they'll

936
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: probably take a guy like Joan Taylor in the top ten.

937
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: The fact is there's so many defensive linemen this year.

938
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna load up the top ten selections of the draft.

939
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: They're gonna load up the first round. So it's kind

940
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: of iffy. I don't think any offensive lineman grades is

941
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, but as we've seen year and

942
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: year out, offensive tackles are or is the priority position

943
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: and they're selected earlier. As far as how many offensive

944
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: lineman in the first round, I think Taylor, I think uh,

945
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: Cody Fordable on the end of round one. I think

946
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Dildard middle of round one, um John Williams, Joanna Williams,

947
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Greg Little hasn't looked good, but I think he's still

948
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna go round one, and then Garrett Bradberry. So you're

949
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: talking about six. So you think Reisener drops the round two.

950
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: I never had. I never had Reisener as a first

951
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: round prospect. I never did. I think he's a third

952
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: round guard. Third round. He's not tested well, He's done

953
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: exactly what I thought. He's a dominant Mohler in a

954
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: small area. I don't think he's the right tackle at

955
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: the next level. I don't think he has the agility

956
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: or athleticism. So far, I've been proven right by the

957
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: testing results. What are they? What are the guys we

958
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: talked to yesterday, Loves. Could you see the kid? Yeah,

959
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a lot of experience, didn't start playing

960
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: football to a senioryear in high school. I listened to

961
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: it with the podium yesterday. Do you see big upside

962
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: for that kid or no? At right tackle? Potentially because

963
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: they left tackle at West Virginia, which really doesn't use

964
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: tight ends. They have they have a wide open system,

965
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: so you better be a good past protector, and he was.

966
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the footwork or the agility.

967
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I think he could be a very good right tackle

968
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: down the road. Now, and the Giants don't have a

969
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: third round pick, correct, correct, But if they maneuver one

970
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye. If they maneuver who I

971
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: really like a lot of Isaiah Prince of Ohio State.

972
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: But you're talking late second round, early third round, so

973
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: they would have to move down. He's a big, dominant guy.

974
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: He great fundamentals. Not the flashiest footwork, but he does

975
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: a great job with body positioning and knee band and

976
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: his angles um. But again, they would have to trade

977
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: down for a guy like Isaiah Prince. Well, let's say

978
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: they stay at the top of the second round. I

979
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: believe the number seven in the second round, who were

980
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the right tackle guys who should be there for them?

981
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Should they want to take one, and is that guy

982
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a plug and play guy, because right now

983
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: they'd like to upgrade that spot. Keep the name of

984
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: David Edwards of Wisconsin on Talk yesterday. Very impressive guy

985
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: he has been. He's a terrific player. Coming into the season.

986
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: I thought he was top fifteen material. He's one of

987
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: those guys. He's sort of a Lane Johnson type guy.

988
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: Plays right tackle, but can also play left tackle. He's

989
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: a big mammoth guy like you would expect from Wisconsin.

990
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Had a shoulder injury this year, and we have to

991
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: see how bad the shoulder injury is. Shouldn't have been

992
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: on the field, but he played three or four games

993
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: with the shoulder injury, which continually got worse. But if

994
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: he's healthy, I mean, he's one of those guys you

995
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: get in the top second round, you could be could

996
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: potentially be getting first round value, and he's gonna fall

997
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: because he really did not have a good two thousand

998
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: and eighteen seasons. Paul's a big fan of McGarry to

999
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: but what do you think? What do you think about him?

1000
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: How to Washington third round area? You know, uh, short arms,

1001
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: really short arms, they came right, didn't do well in

1002
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the bench press, doesn't move all that well. But a big, strong,

1003
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: small area guy, which quite frankly, would still be an

1004
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: upgrade for them in the third if they can get him.

1005
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: He's still plug and play for that exactly. I I

1006
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: like him. I would take Isaiah Prince before McGary. But

1007
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: you know what, McGarry is one of those guys. He

1008
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: doesn't look the part, he won't test well, but you

1009
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: get him on the field and he plays very well.

1010
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: He's a good offensive lineman. I want to go back

1011
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: to Edwards for a second because one of the things

1012
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: we found out and talking to him is that he

1013
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: was a former quarterback and then a tight end, and

1014
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: he was talking about to us how he believes that

1015
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: he sees things playing offensive line that most offensive linemen

1016
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: don't see. Absolutely and that to me is very very interesting,

1017
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: and you and he has that athleticism from the quarterback,

1018
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, from the tight end position. Absolutely, And you

1019
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: know people will look at the two thousand and eighteen

1020
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: films and Tony Polly's out of his mind looking you

1021
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: gotta go back to two thousand seventeen and you have

1022
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: to see what happens with the shoulder and if the

1023
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: shoulders fine, he is gonna be terrific value outside the

1024
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: top thirty selections. How about defensive line. I think we

1025
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: did a great job on the tackles that the other

1026
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: need the Giants have as at edge rusher. And it

1027
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: really seems to be a chef's choice scenario at the

1028
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: top of this draft. Do you want the bendy guy,

1029
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: do you want the all around guy? How do you

1030
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: sort out once you get past Nick Bosa? Obviously that

1031
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: next group of pass rushers, Josh Allen's probably at the

1032
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: top of the group. Okay, then it goes Josh Allen

1033
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: of Kentucky, who I like more as a three or

1034
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: four outside linebacker, though I hear when he weighs in

1035
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: people who are gonna go out of their mind because

1036
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: he's about five pounds and he's ripped. Now he's a

1037
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: good athlete. He's a smart football player. I like him

1038
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: standing up in three four because number one, if you

1039
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: watch the film, he gets taken out by plays by

1040
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: tight ends. But he's also smart. He's also good athlete.

1041
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: You can drop them off the line and playement space. Now,

1042
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: if he's to sixty five six five, can he get

1043
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: up to to seven? Can he get to seventy five

1044
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: and keep that speed and quickness off the edge. So

1045
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: Alan's number one. Jakai polite like just from far who

1046
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: came in just under six foot three, taller than people thought.

1047
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Explosive up the field, just absolute explosion, fires off the snap,

1048
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: great first step, can bend off the edge, good speed

1049
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: up the field, can change direction, get down the line

1050
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and make plays in pursuit. Montes Sweat, who

1051
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: I hear is gonna blow up the combine when he

1052
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: works out on Sunday. Uh a guy who again can

1053
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: come out of a three point stands you stand him

1054
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: up over tackle. Was a tremendous pass rusher at Mississippi State.

1055
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: Was a tremendous pass rusher on the college level. It's

1056
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: got a toll thin frame. Maybe a liability against the run.

1057
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Long arms, great physique, great physique, but he's just a

1058
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: toll thing guy, which I think is gonna He's gonna

1059
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: struggle with the run to the next level. But you're

1060
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: looking at edge rushers. See now, I'm going to cheat

1061
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: just a little bit here. Chris Tony and I had

1062
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity to chat yesterday for just a couple of minutes,

1063
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: and he broke my heart when he told me that

1064
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: Clemson defensive end Cleland Farrell is not gonna get down

1065
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: to number six and the Giants. Well, and I apologize

1066
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: for not mentioning Cleland Cleland fell See I I don't

1067
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: like when they brand guys, you know, edge rushes. Cleland Farrell,

1068
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: to me, is a terrific four three defensive end. Yes,

1069
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: he can rush the passer. He can play the run.

1070
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: You can stand them up on occasion and use him

1071
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher off the edge, standing over tackle.

1072
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: He can do everything. You can drop him off the

1073
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: line on his own blitzes, you can get him out

1074
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: in space. I mean right now to me, he kind

1075
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: of reminds me, I'm gonna give a parison to the

1076
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Ron Payne what I mean about the Ron Pain. I

1077
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: thought the Ron Pain was ridiculously undervalued all last year

1078
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: through the draft process. I had him as one of

1079
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: my top five players. He went in the middle of

1080
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: the first round. How a terrific year for the Washington

1081
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing the same thing with Cleveland Farrell

1082
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: right now. Cleanland Fell right now is in my top five.

1083
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: He may fall out of the top five. You know,

1084
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen and these other guy, especially depending what

1085
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: happens with the quarterbacks go, he may fall. He's gonna

1086
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: be great value outside the top five. He could be

1087
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: there for the do they take on I don't know.

1088
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Olivia Vernon as as the

1089
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: news is broken. Yes, how about Brian Burns. It's somebody

1090
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: that in a lot of people think he's one of

1091
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: those like kind of like Polite is very a bendy guy,

1092
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: quick off the line. I think he came in actually

1093
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot heavier than people thought today too. Where do

1094
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna land in this draft class mid

1095
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: to late first round? Oh, I think Polite goes before him.

1096
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with combine way In's because you come

1097
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: in heavier when you step on the scale to combine.

1098
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you're playing right correct, there is

1099
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a trick that these guys they come in,

1100
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: they get bulked up for the combine, and then they

1101
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: don't run the forty because they because they're gonna be slower,

1102
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: and then they're at the forty at their proney when

1103
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: they were a little bit lighter. Hello, Tyler Murray exactly.

1104
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: And that's the word yesterday. That was yesterday. It used

1105
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: to be primarily defensive lineman, an offensive lineman. Burns is

1106
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: a guy I think you gotta stand him up over

1107
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: as a three or four outside linebacker or you gotta

1108
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: use them solely as a one gap defensive vent. He's

1109
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: the absolute pas rushing. I don't think he's a kai polite,

1110
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: but he has that same ability to get up the field,

1111
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: create pressure, speed off the edge, great talents, great athleticism.

1112
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: The one thing that bothers me about Burns when I

1113
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: watched them on film is if the play is not

1114
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: his mini immediate vicinity, he seems you know, no big deal. Now,

1115
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: the one name you haven't mentioned so far. Boy, Despite

1116
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: all of this talk about edge rushers and pass rushers

1117
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: and first round guys and top ten guys is Jalen Ferguson,

1118
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: who quite honestly, quite honestly, I'm not really high on

1119
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and I gotta hunt you're not either, I am. But

1120
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: I think two things. I know this, The Giants do

1121
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: like him. I know that Giants I've been told that

1122
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: John's like put up numbers, okay, number two. I think

1123
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson, Guys like Jalen Ferguson Zach Allen of Boston

1124
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: College are guys who usually go in the first round,

1125
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: but there are so many defensive linemen in this year's draft,

1126
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna get pushed into the second round.

1127
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: So I absolutely think that if Jalen Ferguson's there at

1128
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: the top of round two for the Giants and they

1129
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: don't go they go offensive round one, whether quarterback, whatever

1130
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: they do, I think he's absolutely a uh consideration for him. Now,

1131
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the greatest instincts, you know, sometimes the

1132
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: balls going left, he's going right, but he's a great

1133
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: pass rusher. See but you just mentioned the magic word.

1134
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman has told us instincts is his number one,

1135
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: absolutely unnegotiable factor for any of these draft picks. We'll

1136
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: see what happens during any interviews. I mean, we'll see

1137
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: what happens during the interviews and the you know, I

1138
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: don't I know, you know, we all know the Ferguson star.

1139
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: He's here for the interviews, he's here from the medicals.

1140
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's taking the wonderlick and the

1141
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: Giants have always had this great psychological test that they

1142
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: put players through. We'll see what happens. How about the

1143
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: cornerback class, Tony. We've heard a couple of people say,

1144
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not picking a cornerback till fifteen or twenty. I've

1145
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: heard of two people tell me that they love Byron

1146
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Murphy so much they consider him as a top ten selections.

1147
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: They love the way he breaks on the ball and

1148
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: his own and things like that. Your take on the

1149
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: defensive back class, and if you're looking for value at corner,

1150
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: where should you be looking. Probably it's not a great

1151
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: cornerback class. I mean, once you get out of the

1152
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: top three guys in my top three guys are Greedy Williams,

1153
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, Byron Murphy, Washington, trayvon Mullen of Clemson, you're

1154
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: looking at more Nickel type guys, which is still in

1155
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: some schemes of starting position. About Baker, What do you

1156
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: think about Baker? I'm not a fan, okay, and I'll

1157
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: tell you what. Let's I mean. I love Greedy Williams.

1158
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: I think Greedy women is gonna be underdrafted. I think

1159
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: he's got the size, he's got the ball skills, classic

1160
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: press corner right, terrific. I think talk about the other

1161
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: New York team, the Jets. I think he'd be perfect

1162
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: for Greg Williams type system Byron Murphy. Probably is the

1163
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: most polished cornerback in this year's draft, the most polished

1164
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: ball skills. But he's gonna be under six ft tall,

1165
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: which will be a problem for some teams. Trayvon Mullen

1166
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I've liked forever. I mean I had him rated as

1167
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: his first round pick before the season, began watching him

1168
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: his sophomore film. He's got excellent size, he's got excellent

1169
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: ball skills. The problem with trayvon Mullen is a lot

1170
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks didn't throw in his direction, so there's not

1171
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot of film of him covering players, covering opponents

1172
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: because they didn't throw him. Getting to DeAndre Baker DeAndre

1173
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: Baker is kind of a contradiction and sense that he's

1174
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: a smaller corner five tenant change, but he plays physical football.

1175
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 1: My problem with DeAndre Bakers if you watch the film,

1176
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: he cannot make plays with his back to the ball.

1177
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: He's constantly face guarding. He doesn't turn his head and

1178
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: when he turns, and when he turns his head he

1179
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: loses a half step, and that's a problem. The way

1180
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: he's gotten by on colleges. He face guards, the ball

1181
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: comes and he strips the ball from the receiver. He

1182
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: does a very good job of that. Watch so he

1183
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: basically plays the receiver's hands basically when the ball gets

1184
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: to the receiver. Watch when don't forget about the testing

1185
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: with the Deandrey Baker watched the positions rolls because I've

1186
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: told that in combined training he does not look smooth.

1187
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: He's not look fluid, and that's the problem. I think

1188
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: he's very overrated. All right. We had a number that

1189
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: we were using the other day in the first edition

1190
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: of our show where thirty eight guys who got snubbed

1191
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: from the combine got drafted last year. So who is

1192
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: your top guy who is not here this week? Who's

1193
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: got a good chance to make somebody's roster. There's there's

1194
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: a couple of them. I liked Hi Johnson, the running

1195
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: back from Maryland who was given a late round grade

1196
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: by scouts. Uh, there was a thought process he should

1197
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: have come out last year because the Maryland backfield was

1198
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: loaded and he only saw he didn't get the ball enough.

1199
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: This year, dominated the Shrine game. Practices look terrific and

1200
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: Shrine games. I think he's probably a mid pick, a

1201
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: middle round pick in the last day to draft. Anthony

1202
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: Ratliff Williams, an underclassman receiver from North Carolina who didn't

1203
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: have great production, but they had a terrible offense out

1204
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. He was a big play receiver. You

1205
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: go back to two thousand seventeen, just dominated North Carolina

1206
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: State when they had a real good defense. Uh, he's

1207
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: the guy who should be here. Jimmy Moreland, the cornerback

1208
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: from James Madison, cornerback return specialist. Good college season, went

1209
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: to the Shrine Games and dominated, went to the Senior Bowl.

1210
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: Did well shut down Hunter run Row on the last

1211
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: day of Senior bowld practice. A guy you're looking at

1212
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: as a potential starting dime back potential nickelback returned specialist

1213
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: the next level. Tony watched Penny Hart at the senior

1214
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: but what could cover him? How was he not here?

1215
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy slot receiver return specialists at the

1216
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: next level, incredibly quick. Just put him on the Patriots.

1217
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Just put him on the Patriots and be done with.

1218
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna be a fourth three guy during

1219
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: his pro day. So there's another guy receiver who probably

1220
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: should be here. And Jeffrey Simmons who has the bad

1221
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: personality profile obviously off the field stuff, and then also

1222
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: had the the A C l uh. This is a

1223
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: guy who a lot of people think if he was

1224
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: clean with everything the way it's supposed to be, would

1225
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: be very high. It would have been top ten pick

1226
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: yea he is. He's not the strongest guy, great fundamentals,

1227
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: plays with the good knee bend mechanics, explosive a guy

1228
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: who you know you had Montest Wet on the outside

1229
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: and then you had Jeffrey Simmons on the inside. It

1230
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: was impossible to stop. You watched Jeffrey Simmons defeating double

1231
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes triple team blocks Probate with this explosion, with

1232
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: his quickness, he's gonna get a little bit bigger and stronger.

1233
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: That will come as he's physically matures. I thought that

1234
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: everything considered, he probably would have gone to Cleveland in

1235
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: the middle of round one. I think right now, you know,

1236
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: maybe Oakland at the bottom of round one, because you

1237
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: know they're gonna they're gonna want to be crafty sometimes.

1238
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: Maybe early part of around two is see a high

1239
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: risk pick. Do you think no? I mean that that

1240
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: that film from his early days was really awful. Everything

1241
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: tells me that it's been a one off incident. He

1242
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: basically learned from it. It was an idiotic mistake, you know.

1243
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: He hate you hate to have the guy carried around

1244
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: like a scarlet letter. It's only happened once. I haven't

1245
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: heard any other bad incidents. Everything you talked to from

1246
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: mrs people in Mississippi State said he's been a model,

1247
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: model student in model system, which is good to see

1248
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the final one, Tony. I like how you sometimes think

1249
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: differently than the crowd on on on a lot of guys.

1250
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a few guys that you think

1251
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: the draft community is down on that they shouldn't be,

1252
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: that you like a lot more than they do, or

1253
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: dislike a lot more than they do. One guy that

1254
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: they absolutely love that i'ms out we about was Cleveland Farrell.

1255
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was Dalton Reisner. You know I've seen

1256
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: Dalton rise in the first round. I don't think he's

1257
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't have him to the third round because I

1258
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: think he's limited. Conversely, I think Chris Lyndstrom of Boston

1259
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: College is a guy who's going to go in the

1260
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: third round. But he's top forty five material. He tested

1261
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: well today, he moves well, he was good, he was

1262
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: good throughout his Boston College career. Uh. At tackling guard.

1263
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: He reminds me of a lesser version of Christney guy

1264
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: who was that tough, slug it out, punch in the

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Speaker 1: mouth type of offensive lineman. Uh. He's the guy who

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Speaker 1: I think is probably gonna be taken the bottom half

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Speaker 1: of round two and will be a ten year starter

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Speaker 1: in the league. Uh. Obviously, I'm very high in Cleveland Farrell,

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Speaker 1: Like Trey von Mullen and that I mean the receivers.

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Speaker 1: None of the receivers really excite me. Uh. Tight end

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Speaker 1: Jase Sternberger, I think he's gonna probably go later than correct.

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Speaker 1: These guys started at Kansas, went to a community college,

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Speaker 1: shout out of a year, found the home. It seemed

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Speaker 1: the your Texas D and M. And now he's off

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. The weeper State kid pushed thirty nine

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Speaker 1: reps yesterday. I'm forgetting his name. I know it's a

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Speaker 1: hard one. Good luck pronouncing it. You want to try,

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Speaker 1: because I I don't think I can. I butchered the

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Speaker 1: name Dave so forak okay, But you want to try

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Speaker 1: John Toto or something. Yeah, I think Badlan Burke did

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Speaker 1: a good job on our wrap up yesterday doing it.

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Speaker 1: But but is he helping himself after doing thirty nine reps? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean he is what he is. He is he

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Speaker 1: plays strong. A guy who who helps himself with thirty

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Speaker 1: nine reps is a guy who you know is very mobile,

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Speaker 1: gets out on the second level. It's more of a

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Speaker 1: finesse blocker, but isn't known as a stronger guy. And

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Speaker 1: you're blocking with your legs in football anyway, and he's

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Speaker 1: just supposed to be blocking with your legs, not your arm.

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Speaker 1: He is what he is. I mean, he's a small

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Speaker 1: area blocker who's shows good strength at the point. A

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Speaker 1: college tackle who I think has to push into uh

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Speaker 1: be pushed into guard. He's got the body typed to

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Speaker 1: do thirty nine. I mean that's great. I mean thirty

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Speaker 1: on the bench press. I don't think he's gonna improve

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Speaker 1: his draft. This is what you get out of Tony.

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Speaker 1: We were state breakdowns on places. That's how much great

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Speaker 1: stuff we appreciate the time Tony pulling on Twitter. Check

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Speaker 1: it out, NFL draft down all the stall. He's got

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Speaker 1: his daughter Sophia. The only problem might do whatever. She

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Speaker 1: doesn't like led Zeppelin. I think we and everyone I'm

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Speaker 1: a useless I think we took the wrong kid home

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Speaker 1: from the hospital. He doesn't mean it. He doesn't mean it.

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Speaker 1: Phone four more months before Disney Cruise. I know that

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Speaker 1: she cares about Tony. Good stuff. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: down the road. John Leddier joins us next time Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. We're back here on Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Combine, our third live two hours

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Speaker 1: led Heer, Johnny how are you. I'm doing great, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having I see your whole crew with the

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Speaker 1: Draft Network all over the place. It's good to see

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Speaker 1: that they don't test for pds at the combine. Have

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Speaker 1: you been doing combine training? Would always need to be

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Speaker 1: prepared for any for any avenue to make come up

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Speaker 1: at the combine, so you never know if they asked

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Speaker 1: you do the bench, you gotta be ready, even as

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Speaker 1: a medium member, be prepared. That's my goodness. You guys

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Speaker 1: have just done an incredible job with this folks at

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Speaker 1: the Draft Network that they're doing all kinds of videos.

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Speaker 1: They got the mock draft thing going, which is just

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Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. And in fact, why don't you tell us

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Speaker 1: about the mock draft. Yeah, So what we thought was

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Speaker 1: when we did the mock Draft Machine, we basically thought

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Speaker 1: was there's this huge passion for the NFL Draft, but

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Speaker 1: people have trouble like expressing it. I think, like, where

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Speaker 1: do you express it? How do you kind of build

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Speaker 1: on your feelings for the draft? And I think with

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Speaker 1: mock Draft Machine and build your own big board or

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Speaker 1: two applications on our site, it really allows people to

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Speaker 1: be able to go in and do their own thing,

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Speaker 1: be the expert. You know, they can arrange the board

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Speaker 1: how they want. They can mock draft for all thirty

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Speaker 1: two teams. They can just mock draft for the Giants

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Speaker 1: if they want, then go through do all seven rounds.

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Speaker 1: So what we've done is and we've tried to make

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Speaker 1: it realistic too. So if you get through the first round,

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Speaker 1: who do you want the second round? When out's a

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Speaker 1: realist instead of being able to getting like another similar

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Speaker 1: to the past, you've been able to get like five

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Speaker 1: first rounders in your first five. That's so we've tried

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Speaker 1: to make the board very realistic to how the we

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Speaker 1: believe at this point in time, and it will obviously

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Speaker 1: adapt throughout the draft process and will change it how

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Speaker 1: the NFL views the board of views the players in

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Speaker 1: the draft. So because of that, it allows it to

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Speaker 1: be really realistic when you get in the middle and

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Speaker 1: that can be found on the Draft network dot com.

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Speaker 1: By So, so the the model is fluid, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what we've what we've done is basically created a

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Speaker 1: predictive board that and you can choose other boards tom

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Speaker 1: if you don't want it to be realistic and you

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Speaker 1: want to go off of TDNS player rankings, then that's

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Speaker 1: great too. But what we've done is the default board

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Speaker 1: is a predictive board. So we've set the board based

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Speaker 1: on basically how we believe the NFL seas the class,

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Speaker 1: based on everything we're hearing, we're knowing, you know, even

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Speaker 1: if it's different than what we feel it should be. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got quarterbacks in the top ten. I

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Speaker 1: don't have any quarterbacks in the top ten this year,

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Speaker 1: but for the for this is predictive board, we have

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Speaker 1: them in the top ten because we know the NFL

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Speaker 1: will take a couple in the top ten. They do

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Speaker 1: every year. So it's just that's kind of an example

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Speaker 1: now of one quarterback, you know, his stock bottoms out

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Speaker 1: after this week, or you know, somebody tear us in

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Speaker 1: a c l or something like that, we have to move.

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Speaker 1: You know, we moved Jeffrey Simmons out of the top

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Speaker 1: ten down the board just because with injury, it's very

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Speaker 1: unlikely he's gonna go super high in the draft. All right, John,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. I know you're probably a little

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Speaker 1: bit down on this class compared to other people. How

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Speaker 1: many first round grades do you have in this class

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Speaker 1: right now? Yes? My my first round grading is basically

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Speaker 1: set up by if you can be in a lead

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Speaker 1: player in your position or really really top to your

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Speaker 1: player your position, you have a first round grade. If not,

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Speaker 1: your early second round grade are like the really good

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Speaker 1: players at their positions and stuff like that. So I

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Speaker 1: do set a strict untereria for first round grades. But

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Speaker 1: also that's how the NFL. The NFL works too. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's very you'll never see an NFL team really with

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Speaker 1: thirty two first round usually around eighteen to twenty and

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Speaker 1: a great year. Yeah, and it depends on the class.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the team, but it can be anywhere

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Speaker 1: in that range. So I do think this is a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a worst class, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's really good at two positions, edge rusher and offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really strong and both the convenience exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. It will look way better for

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Speaker 1: certain teams than it will for others. If you need

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you know, if you need if you need

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Speaker 1: even a running back, I need a running back. But

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Speaker 1: if you know mid rounds in a sweet spot to

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Speaker 1: get a running back, I think it's a goodide receiver class.

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Speaker 1: There are certain position groups that the real strength others

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Speaker 1: like linebacker, cornerback, huge weaknesses in this class. All right, now,

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Speaker 1: I understand the amount of first round grade you have

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Speaker 1: on these guys, but there have been people who said

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Speaker 1: to me, the first three rounds will probably include as

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Speaker 1: many as seventy defensive selections and all of these guys

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Speaker 1: should be able to contribute significantly right away to NFL teams.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of the equation true, that there's enough

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Speaker 1: depth that you will get usable parts even if there

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Speaker 1: aren't a bunch of superstar blue chip grades as you

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Speaker 1: have said, Yeah, I think it is true, especially defensive

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Speaker 1: the front set. You know, you're talking about the front

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Speaker 1: the defensive line into your defensive line. Simmons injuries a shame,

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Speaker 1: but I definitely think he's one of those guys when

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Speaker 1: he's healthy. Obviously, quinnin Williams and Oliver's way in today

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable. What did he come to? A seven? Almost six?

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Speaker 1: That might push him into the top, back into the

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Speaker 1: top and honestly might Yeah that he can move to

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Speaker 1: right and you know his testing is gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the testing part I knew about, like

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Speaker 1: I was, I was completely fine with that expectation, right.

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Speaker 1: My expectation was he's gonna test great. But when you waited,

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Speaker 1: John said, it will be good still. But you have

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Speaker 1: to understand he's tour in seventy four. Well you think

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Speaker 1: he played around he played, Yeah, he played around two

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Speaker 1: seventy seventy four, which is which is okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: but in that division that's all we need to play,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and playing in in the A C.

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Speaker 1: But now he's gonna need to bulk up. And I

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Speaker 1: didn't think he could balk up, to be honest, like

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Speaker 1: his frame just look max out. So the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's two eighty seven is great for a stock for sure.

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Speaker 1: How we tested eighty seven, which probably will still be

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Speaker 1: pretty good, will be great for a stock too. So

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that he did come in bigger

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Speaker 1: and if he can hold that athleticism at that way

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Speaker 1: really impressive. So that could alp stock. So he's one

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Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams. I mean, there's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: players in the interior line, and then I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the edge guys as well. Last year the

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Speaker 1: fence quot a break, there were so many good interior

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the class that guys got pushed down.

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Speaker 1: We thought Will Hernandez was a first round quality, late

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Speaker 1: first round quality prosibly they got them in round two.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think that position is going to be

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Speaker 1: this year? Where the Giants are sitting there at six

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Speaker 1: and maybe somebody's gonna get pushed down where you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get really good value at position X? What's position X?

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Speaker 1: What could be offensive tackle? But they're just less likely

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Speaker 1: because it's such a deep, grusip group of offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: But they're it's such a premium position. History has shown

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Speaker 1: us that it's not gonna slide down the board like

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Speaker 1: inter your offensive line. It won't slide down the board

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Speaker 1: like tight ends. Well even linebackers is someunder group will

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Speaker 1: side on the board. So, honestly, positions that the Giants need,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you can count on that happening,

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Speaker 1: you know, now they need a lot of defensive positions.

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Speaker 1: It's possible corner slot just because the value of the

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Speaker 1: class in general. They're just not a very good corner class.

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Speaker 1: So maybe the sweet spot for them comes later in

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Speaker 1: the draft. But no, Honestly, the way I see it

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Speaker 1: right now, safety is probably the best to answer to

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Speaker 1: your question, they could use a safety. Is there a

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Speaker 1: free safety like in that spot that can play that

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Speaker 1: single high I think in the sere Adderly from Delaware

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Speaker 1: is a single high safety. Yeah, there's some people think

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Speaker 1: he could be a little higher. Yeah, there's the chance

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Speaker 1: that he could go hid just because it's a week's

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Speaker 1: safety class. But a Delaware kid, he had a good

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Small school guys tend to drop out. A

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Speaker 1: lot of teams have strong historical tendencies just to take

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Speaker 1: power five in the top two end the top in

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Speaker 1: the first round. So I do think this year Addie

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Speaker 1: could follow the early second round range. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that could happen. Um, he could go later. I mean,

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Speaker 1: justin Reid, everybody thought he was going first round. Last

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: year he fell in the third round. Inexplicable. I don't

1475
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: know why. Character Joe, all the testing was there, every

1476
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: the size, and he an unbelievable season two. So I

1477
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: mean sometimes the safety position is weird. We've seen safety's

1478
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: fall Jesse Bates was the end of the second round.

1479
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. And then you've seen guys like Darrell

1480
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: Edmonds go way higher than anybody thought they would. So

1481
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: there are some things that matter at the safety position.

1482
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: I do think his size and the fact that he

1483
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: comes from smaller uh smaller school FCS level will hurt

1484
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: him and push him down the board. So I'd expect

1485
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: him to be there for the Johnson second round. He's

1486
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: one option. I really like Jauncey Gardner Johnson as well.

1487
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: I think he played free safety. He played some Inklahiah

1488
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: Florida did very very well on that role. He can

1489
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: play in nickel, he can, he might. He came to

1490
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: Florida as an outside corner. There is just so much value.

1491
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: You listen to these gyms and coaches talk about how

1492
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: value does that have? Interchangeable safeties and safeties that can

1493
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things for your defense. It

1494
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,479
Speaker 1: just changes the game. I think that's gonna be super

1495
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: important that these teams come draft time. Chauncey Garder Johnson

1496
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: is a big week this week at the comment and

1497
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: I expect he will and I know he's gonna impressed

1498
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: teams interviews with his demeanor. I think he's gonna end

1499
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: up going first all right now, based on what you

1500
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: said about the corners, and we've asked a number of

1501
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: our guests about Sam Beale, who the Giants took in

1502
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: the supplemental in the third round, and Dave Gentleman has said,

1503
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: we think he would have been a second round pick

1504
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: this year. How fortunate are they to already have him

1505
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: on their draft board because right now he becomes their

1506
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: third round pick because of the way they took right

1507
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd have been a second round

1508
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: pick or not. To be honest, you know, I would

1509
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: have liked to see in one more year to kind

1510
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: of be able to gauge that with him. Um, that's

1511
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: a hard thing to determine if indeed he would have

1512
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: been then now, obviously that's great for the jobs because

1513
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: they got him for the value of a third I

1514
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: think missing your rookie season, yeah, your rookie season with

1515
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: an injury does tend to historically set guys back. I

1516
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: think the expectations for him should still be ready to

1517
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: jump in, you're ready to hit the ground running, should

1518
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: be fully healthy at that point. Because he got injured

1519
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: so early on, they basically need him right. They're going

1520
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: to need him they expect right exactly. So that's a

1521
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: that's a big expectation for rookie coming off a major injury,

1522
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: will essentially be a rookie coming off a major injury.

1523
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: At least he got the mental reps and he can

1524
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: know some things from that perspective, which is helpful. So

1525
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think expectations should be tempered. It wasn't

1526
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: like his tape was dominant in college, but it's very encouraging.

1527
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: I think, I think athletically like there's a lot to

1528
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: get excited about. Some development needed, for sure, but at

1529
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: that point that's on the coaching staff and him to

1530
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: put in the work. So I think as long as

1531
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: he can get back healthy, I mean, he's definitely should

1532
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: be a starter for them this season. I'm gonna be

1533
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: fascinated to see how quickly he adapts to the NFL, because,

1534
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,839
Speaker 1: like I said, I wouldn't have expected him to contribute

1535
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: a lot in his first year, and then he missed

1536
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: his first year with injury, so I'm really not sure

1537
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: what to expect now because there's the recovery process and

1538
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: the fact that he hasn't really practiced, So how quickly

1539
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: he gets up to speed will be fascinating. You mentioned

1540
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: the wide receiver class and you like it. The Giants

1541
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: have two good starters and Starling Shepard Arnold Beckham Jr.

1542
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: They have running back that catches like a wide receiver

1543
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: and Sakelon Barkley of Evan Ingram. So not a huge need.

1544
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: But if they want to try to bring in somebody

1545
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: that has a bigger frame, kind of a six three

1546
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: possession type guy, or someone that ELI can throw a

1547
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: back shoulder throw to, somebody like that Day three guys,

1548
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: who do you like in this class that kind of

1549
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: fit that profile? Ask you good question. I think And

1550
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: he may go earlier in this. It really will depend

1551
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: on how he runs. But j j R. Sega white Side,

1552
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll go third round. So maybe it's out

1553
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: of the giants range there, but I I mean this,

1554
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: he definitely has the ability. I mean red zone. He

1555
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: dominates in that area like he dominated where Stanford. Yeah,

1556
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: and so he he was very impressive. They're um a

1557
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: weird player. He wins contested catches in jump balls without jumping.

1558
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: It's very strange. He like boxes guys out and shields

1559
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: him off from the ball. It's like a rebounder who

1560
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: doesn't even jump, like he's seven. Yeah, it's like that exactly.

1561
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: It's like that. It's just just playing style basically, so

1562
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: a very unique player. He won't seem any like him

1563
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: in college football, very good off the line of scrimmage,

1564
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: dominated the red area. Like I said, guy that can

1565
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: help you in the red zone a lot. So he's one. UM,

1566
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: I would say, I would, I would keep an eye

1567
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: and then if you're looking for like there's a speed factor.

1568
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: You know at day three for sure you know Gary

1569
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: Jennings from from UM West Virginia. He's one that. I mean.

1570
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: He he looked good at the Senior Bowl. UM I thought.

1571
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: I think he came in at six, so he's got

1572
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: some size to him. Um, he's really well built. I

1573
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: was at Oklahoma WuW and the guy was uncoverable. I

1574
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: mean Oklahoma Secondary obviously terrible, but the guy was uncoverable.

1575
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean like he was. He made plays down the

1576
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: field left and right. I think he had two or

1577
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: in thirty yards in the game or something like that.

1578
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: And he was just I mean, I think his projection

1579
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: to the NFL is better than David Sills. I don't

1580
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: know if he's a better player right now. He drops

1581
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: the ball some you're gonna have to learn to live

1582
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: with something. But upside is there for sure with him.

1583
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: Size athleticism. Like I said speed, I think he's gonna

1584
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: run pretty well too for a big guy. So he's

1585
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: another one I would look at guys day three. Is

1586
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: a potential guy. What do you think doss winds up?

1587
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be off the board on day two

1588
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: because I think he's a bigger guy that runs great

1589
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: routes and knows how to get open. Yeah, I think

1590
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: he'll be their Day three. He's another option. Yeah, I

1591
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: think I think he'll be their Day three, just the

1592
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: wider serier group being as good as it is now.

1593
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: If he tests great, I reserve the right to camp.

1594
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know that he'll test at an elite

1595
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: level or anything. So you'll just be a solid tester

1596
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: I think, and he'll walk himself into that round four

1597
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: five range I think can come off the board. Probably

1598
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to prove it on special teams, I think.

1599
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: But you're right, there's some talent there for sure, certainly

1600
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: that NFL teams will be interested in and Day three

1601
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: and Giants could definitely be one of those teams. Sticking

1602
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: with why we see it, but you mentioned Oklahoma just

1603
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: a minute ago. Markes Brown with the foot injury, Where

1604
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: where would he have gone had he been able to

1605
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: work out here? I think he was first round lock

1606
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: um yeah, that but anyway, in one hundred sixty six pounds,

1607
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: and the reality is I think only five receivers have

1608
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: ever been at that weight today pounds. Yes, that's really

1609
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: really like Yeah, And and Sean Jackson was the next

1610
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: closest of anybody that's been successful. And I believe he

1611
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: was one sixty nine coming out I think, Um, so

1612
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: it was close and weight and everybody kind of calms

1613
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: him to John Jackson anyway, So if you believe and

1614
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: Marky's Brown, you believe he's gonna be John Jackson. That's

1615
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: kind of what he asked to get to, you know.

1616
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: In terms of West probably other guy that's down there too, right, Yeah,

1617
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: he was low and he you know, he hasn't done

1618
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 1: much and there was a couple other guys. Tavon Austin

1619
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: was really low. Obviously that's not a great coat. He

1620
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: might have been in tho he was a little bit heavier,

1621
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: I think because he still in that bottom tier range.

1622
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Now there is the situation with Marcus Brown.

1623
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: Was his foot Obviously that's a significant injury. So that

1624
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: will you know, I mean I would think I guess

1625
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: from a distance, I should say typically as a significant injury.

1626
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: Every player is a little bit unique. But also to

1627
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: consider with Marquis Brown, he may have lowesome weight because

1628
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to train and and things like

1629
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: you normally would. So I'm sure that line would be used.

1630
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: NFL teams will want to ask him, what did you

1631
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: win season and how much have you been able to

1632
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 1: consistently keep on? They'll do their due diligence there. But

1633
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: he's like, he's small for receiver, So you're taking a

1634
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: super small receiver with who had a great year of production,

1635
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: a good year production, then a great year of production

1636
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: in Prokloma, but has issues catching the football and back

1637
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: at the time, so he has let some had some drops. Uh.

1638
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: And also he can't play through contact. You know, he's

1639
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: very small, so you know you saw in the Texas

1640
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: game he was creating separation and then he was letting

1641
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: corners played through his hands at the end of the year.

1642
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: So there's concerns with Marquise Brown, like and and there's

1643
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: health concerns with Mark because he is so small and

1644
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: when he gets hit on the field, it's violent, like

1645
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: he looks like he's getting rocked. Um So I would

1646
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: just be really hesitant to take a player like that

1647
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: s Highs in the top twe of our first round

1648
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: lock because he's been described, Um, I think there are

1649
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: better receivers in the class. Also think he's a he's

1650
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: a good player that adds something you're receiving core if

1651
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: you can get him. So it's really I think him

1652
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: more so into players like him more so than any

1653
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: other players. Where where does that balance exist? Because you

1654
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of speedsters in this class, but Cole

1655
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: Hardman you could probably get in the mid rounds and

1656
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people would say if you're just looking

1657
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: for speed, you can you can grab somebody like that.

1658
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot more to it than that though, and

1659
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: Markis Brown is a good route runner and he's good

1660
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: after the catch. Those are two things that Michael Arman

1661
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: has done some good things in that way, but he

1662
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: and others like him aren't as well rounded and polished

1663
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: as a prospect as Marquis Brown. So there's that factor

1664
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: in the evaluation as well. Final one from me, John,

1665
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,919
Speaker 1: we know it's a great tight end class. TJ. Hockinson

1666
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: could be the first skill guy out the board. For

1667
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: all we know, he's that good. The Giants had their

1668
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: receiver in Evan Ingram. If they're looking for a nice

1669
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: two way tight end that can block and do a

1670
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: little bit something else on day three, give me some

1671
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: names of guys they should keep an eye on. Foster

1672
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: Morrow l s U Man, this kid untapped potential. He's

1673
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: super talented. Um. I think they barely use him at LSU,

1674
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: and LSU offense is what it is. I think we

1675
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: won't know that. You know, there's some limitations there for sure,

1676
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: but he was a blocking guy who didn't give any

1677
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: opportunities to receiver. I think he's gonna really impress people

1678
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: in testing. I think he's gonna be a better athlete

1679
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: than people think. I think he catches the ball really well.

1680
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: I think he's good routes. Um. You know, there's some

1681
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: rough edges to his game for sure, but I think

1682
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: he can help you as a blocker right away. But

1683
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: also then I think as a receiver he can help

1684
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: you too. Um. There's some other guy, you know, Tommy

1685
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Sweeney from Boston College will get after people. Um as

1686
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: a Day three option at tight end. Um. I don't

1687
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: know if he'll be available day three. But Ca hell

1688
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: Warring from San Diego State. His full name is actually

1689
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: like seventeen names, but Hall is the only one. I

1690
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: hope I'm even saying that right, but he is. He.

1691
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: So this kid played one year of football in high school.

1692
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: That's it. His senior year. He played water pool and

1693
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: basketball whole life, water polo, water pool. Yes, he was

1694
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: a beast at it. So all his friends graduate, right

1695
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: and by the way, water pool, if you ever played

1696
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: an incredibly difficult to play. So this kid unbelievable shape.

1697
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: He all his friends graduated senior high school that he said,

1698
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: why don't you come out for football? You know, his

1699
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: friends that were still in school, And he was like,

1700
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: all right, I'll give it a shot. He had twenty

1701
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: one catches that year for like five seventy five yards.

1702
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: He averaged like almost twenty seven yards of catches a

1703
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: tight end. It's first year ever playing football at any level.

1704
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: So he gets offers right away like from that, like

1705
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: some small schools, you know nothing. But he decides, I'm

1706
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna walk on. I love football, I'm gonna walk on

1707
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: in San Diego State. He walks on a San Diego

1708
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: State They gave him like a preferred walk on. He

1709
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: earns a scholarship. They hardly ever threw him the ball.

1710
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: He this kid put in so much time to get

1711
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: better as a blocker because he's never done at any level,

1712
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: like even in high school that one year. I don't

1713
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: think they hardly asked him to block at all, so

1714
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: he never really done it. You watched him to take now, Yeah,

1715
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: he can block. He has unbelievable size. He's also all

1716
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: guns team. You know he's got he's got the pythons.

1717
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: He's got. Usually those guys don't work out arms, but

1718
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: he does, you can tell. But no, he he is

1719
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: a very talented player, and I think he's gonna wow testing.

1720
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: I think he's really gonna surprise people six six constructs

1721
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: the field goes up and get compete for the ball.

1722
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: He's my sleeper in this class. Alright, quarterbacks aside my

1723
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: final question because I don't want to deal with any

1724
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: more Haskins or more more we talk. In fact, we

1725
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: had you on the program a couple of months ago

1726
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: on the phone and we did a lot of quarterbacks.

1727
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: So folks, again, he's not a top ten guy for quarterbacks,

1728
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: but he's not even a first round so I'm so

1729
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: glad because now I can sit here with somebody who

1730
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: actually doesn't feel that way. But but in any event,

1731
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: who are you most curious about? Now? In the remaining

1732
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: portions of this combine we're now midway through. What what

1733
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: are you really intrigued by? Is what? What do you

1734
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: got to see in the last few days. The wide receivers,

1735
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: for sure separate. Who separates themselves to the wide receiver group?

1736
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a I guess thing for me. You

1737
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: have such a glut, you have a J. Brown, you

1738
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: can kill Harry, you have Riley Ridley? Like how did

1739
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: these big guys separate themselves? Even Metcalf I think he's

1740
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: most people's wide receiver one, But you know, does he

1741
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: really blow the doors off it like everybody expect. I

1742
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: don't think he doesn't. No, I don't think he does.

1743
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: He's fast, but I don't think he's that fast. But

1744
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: at the same time, even the speedsters, you know Hartman

1745
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: Isabel like the guys like that, Like, how do they

1746
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: separate themselves from each other? The receiving group is so

1747
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: close on tape in terms of what they're able to do.

1748
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: They come from such varied offenses some different skill sets too,

1749
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: but I really just want to see how these guys

1750
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: compare athletically, So that's the big thing for me. And

1751
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: then the other thing breaking up Brian Burns, Josh Allen

1752
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: and Jakai polit those good three speed speed guys that

1753
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: at the lands today. Burns was two forty nine, which

1754
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: was really good for him. Jaki Polay was to fifty eight,

1755
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: which was I never thought he'd be that big. That

1756
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: might put him on the Giant's radar him being that

1757
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: big and he's only six too, so that was impressive

1758
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: to me. Uh. And then I think in Josh Allen

1759
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: was like two sixty two or something like that, which

1760
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: is insane. Um. So that how those guys testing, how

1761
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: they break up. That's John great stuff, my friend dot

1762
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: com check it out. You'll hear from John before the

1763
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: draft to get on Big Blue kick Golf Live. But

1764
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: right back with Brian brought us right after this, We're

1765
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: back here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, John Shall

1766
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: Paul Detino on Big Blue Kick Off Live, Day three

1767
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: of the NFL Combine. Our next guest is Brian brought

1768
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: us former NFL Scout show off the Ring, former Super

1769
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: Bowl champion as well. That's from his days with the Packers,

1770
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: and and he's also host of the Draft Show, which

1771
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: can be found believe it or not a whisper this

1772
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But but they that's why he's

1773
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: got the Dallas shirt on. Actually, I felt like I

1774
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: might be on with you guys today. I wore the

1775
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: blue big Blue. So. But the good thing about the

1776
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: Draft Show and if folks, if you like draft stuff,

1777
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: they do all the prospects. I listened to it every week.

1778
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: It's once a week. It's a great, great show. He's

1779
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: on with Dame Bruegler, our guy on the Draft Show,

1780
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: and David Helmets. They do a real good job with that.

1781
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: No problem, all right, Brian, let's start here. We just

1782
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: had Buddy try to sell us on Jokai polite and

1783
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: I listened to the Draft Show, and I know you're

1784
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna fight back on that. You don't think you have

1785
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: a second round grade on him? Right? Why? You know

1786
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: what I I The problem I have with him is

1787
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: that to me, I look at his weight, you know,

1788
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think about I'm looking at a

1789
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: guy that I that if you're gonna be two d pounds.

1790
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: I want to see you consistently win on the edge,

1791
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: and I've seen times where he especially in the sec

1792
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: I've seen him get hooked up on guys and not

1793
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: even not even sniff and I and that that bothers me. Again,

1794
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: I do not see that elite type of a player,

1795
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take somebody that high. I worry about him. Now.

1796
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: He was a guy at one time was in his

1797
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: two hundreds. He was to seventies exactly, and they went

1798
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: back and I'm and I'm just I just the thing

1799
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: that bothers me the most about him is is again

1800
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: a two nine pound guy. I don't I just don't

1801
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: see him winning with as much consistency. And I trust me,

1802
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me about this go on and

1803
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: and on and at the one thing that the Cowboys

1804
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: treat me like a scout. I get all that tape.

1805
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: I've watched everything and I and I just still it

1806
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: bothers me about him. There's some first first step quickness

1807
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I don't see a counter move to

1808
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: that though. What's the counter? I don't see it. But

1809
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: he gets off the ball and then he gets hooked

1810
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: or I mean gets locked up. He has no ability

1811
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: to disengage. Even as a looper. He doesn't get home.

1812
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: I just it bothers me and I know a lot

1813
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: this is. I was hopeful, guys, I was hopeful that

1814
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna come to the combine and then people

1815
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: were gonna say. You know, sometimes the media scouts didn't

1816
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: catch up with the real scouts. You know, then you

1817
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: get the you know, the real scouts walk up to

1818
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: you and go, I heard you like this polite guy.

1819
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: What's the story? What tape you watch it? You know?

1820
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: And I'm just using him as an example because then

1821
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: the media scouts leave here and then they go, oh, okay,

1822
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: that's what I was missing. Oh you know, so sometimes,

1823
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: like I say, I think we we we have that

1824
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: initial push where the media scouts love a guy, and

1825
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: then and when by the time we get to the

1826
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: end of the where we were really having a draft,

1827
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe not this guy, maybe not this guy,

1828
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: maybe not this guy. Well this is one edge rusher

1829
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: and polite who you're obviously more down on than others are.

1830
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: There are other guys. Because we keep hearing that the

1831
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: edge rushers are gonna be right up there at the

1832
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: top of the draft. There's a bunch of them. Are

1833
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: there are other guys you want to debunk as well? Well?

1834
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: I to me, I think this, I really do like

1835
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: the group of offense and assume the defensive ends and

1836
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle. I think, if you have to get

1837
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: defensive line help in this draft. And again I know

1838
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they're they're looking at defensive tackles right now,

1839
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, depending on what happens with you know,

1840
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregor, it maybe looking at ends as well.

1841
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: But I think that overall though, there it's a it's

1842
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: a solid group. I just don't like Polite as much

1843
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 1: as I mean. I mean, people have really just shoved

1844
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: him way up the board, and I'm like, you know,

1845
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: the kids sweat. I like him just I like him.

1846
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: When I watch him play at miss A State, I

1847
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: see a guy that might be two pounds, but I

1848
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: see him getting oplox, I see him getting hey po.

1849
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: He plays with power. You watch him play the run,

1850
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: and I think, in this day and age, you've got

1851
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: to be able to upset the edge. That was one

1852
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: of the great things about Jason Pierre Paul. To me,

1853
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: when I watched him play, it was hard to get

1854
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: outside of him. I mean, he would find a way

1855
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: to extend. He could rush the pastor he would give

1856
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Tyrone Smith all kinds of fits. And then what he's

1857
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: giving him fits as a pass rusher, grabbing the edge.

1858
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: He's also like, you know, stabbing him at the run

1859
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: and playing wide and he doesn't let you get past him.

1860
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: I just worry about guys again, play guys like that.

1861
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that there's some defensive ends in this draft

1862
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: that that can do those kinds of things. And so

1863
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay if if people are putting guys up

1864
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: on the board, the Boases, the Alan's, the Gary's, those

1865
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: kinds of guys, I'm up. I'm okay with those guys

1866
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: being on those draft boards as high as they are.

1867
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: But again, I have that problem with that polite all right,

1868
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm a farewell guy. Are you with him to? You

1869
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: know what, if you watch him play against Jonah Wives,

1870
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: if you watch the National Championship game, you will fall

1871
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: in love with Ferrell. You're absolutely and your your eyes

1872
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: are not wrong there because you do see him extend,

1873
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: you do see him with the power, you do see

1874
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: him get off a lot. I mean, there's a couple

1875
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: of times he decleted the kid, he drove him completely back.

1876
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean again, he plays with lards for a big,

1877
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: tall guy, he plays with leverage, he plays he's got

1878
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: the length. You know, there's people saying he was a

1879
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: little up and down. But if he's taken, if he's

1880
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: taken out a offensive tackle, I think is one of

1881
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: the top offensive tackles in this draft. And and and

1882
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: and beating him up pretty good, he's gonna hit my consideration,

1883
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: here's what I have trouble with. And as a former scout,

1884
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: you're the perfect guy to talk to about this. When

1885
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: I watch this tape and I'm still learning, I'm figuring

1886
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: this stuff out right. You watch Sean Garry, you watch

1887
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: at Aliphar. Yeah, you just don't see the production. You

1888
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: don't see consistent pressure. You don't see them getting home.

1889
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: How do you evaluate what traits can eventually turn into

1890
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: production at the next level? You some guy's never figured

1891
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: out put some guys do. Yeah, this thing about okay

1892
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: with Gary? Are you looking at him as possibly even

1893
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: for production to play maybe some under tackle or three.

1894
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: That's where I would like to put him at the

1895
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: three techniqueations. See, that's that's where if you're gonna, you know,

1896
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: and we we being Dallas drafted Taco Charlton, you know,

1897
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: and and still waiting for that, still waiting for that.

1898
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: And you know, people said, well, he didn't have production,

1899
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: he didn't do and and they're right. And but I

1900
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: look at Gary and I'm thinking, I see, I see

1901
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: better power, I see better quickness. I see the edge

1902
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: again to get. But I also see a guy if

1903
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 1: you put him at the undertackle or the three technique

1904
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: in certain situations, he can get to the core rate.

1905
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: John Gruden, I was, I was talking with John just yesterday. John,

1906
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, these defensive tackles are becoming more

1907
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: important than the defensive ends because they're people are put

1908
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: them on the shoulders and they're getting their attack in

1909
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the pressure up the middle, pressure up

1910
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 1: the mill. Quarterbacks cannot with the way the quarterbacks are nowadays,

1911
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: the athletes that they are, they're able to avoid the

1912
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: outside pressure. It's the inside pressure. It's given a problem.

1913
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: So like Gary all over, it was another one. I mean,

1914
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: I I personally look at Oliver and I'm like, you know,

1915
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: people were gonna compare him because of the height and

1916
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: all that, you know, with Aaron Donald, and I just

1917
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: don't see that the same. Basically, if you look at

1918
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: the measurables for for Aaron Donald when he came out,

1919
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: he was two eighty five. I believe it, he came

1920
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: out and so, but I just don't see that type

1921
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: of a player, you know. I see a player that's

1922
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: it's got some quickness. I see the player that's got

1923
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 1: it is an explosive guy. But again I worry about

1924
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: it as all the time with him and I and

1925
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like the guy, I mean, the guy

1926
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: feel bad for that he got hurt. Was the Simmons kid,

1927
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: you know from from Mississippi state. If you're talking about

1928
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: defensive towns, because the quinnin Williams is like at the

1929
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: top on a lot of guy's list. But I didn't

1930
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: think that Simmons was that far away from him. Watching

1931
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: him play, you give me a guy that's gonna play square. Yeah,

1932
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why when I'm watching these guys play,

1933
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: I want to see defensive lineman where I can see

1934
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: their jersey number and their name the whole time playing square,

1935
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: Play square and play square, don't get turned. Guys that

1936
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: get turned. That's why it was snacks. It was hard

1937
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: for us to play. You can't turn snacks. I mean

1938
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: you talked to you talked to Zack Martin and Travis Regg.

1939
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: What's like, what's the hardest thing about playing snacks because

1940
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't get turned? You know, he square and you

1941
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: you give me guys like Williams and Simmons and those

1942
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: guys that plants like Gary to the point a little

1943
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: bit too, that plays square along the line of scrimmage

1944
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: and don't turned. Those are goes to the type of

1945
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: defensive lineman you need. Well, let's stay with the interior

1946
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: of the defense. The ls she's taken. We are we

1947
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: taking defensive lineman here earlier? I think it's on the table.

1948
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Would it would have to be. But but also it's

1949
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: been made clear by Dave Gettleman, who says, by the way,

1950
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: the school guy, Dave and I go way way back together,

1951
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: old NFL Europe days around, Yeah, when he was a

1952
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: pro personnel guy, Dave, and I are I love your

1953
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: general manage. I really did. That's really cool. Well, Dave

1954
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: always says, you know, to get that pass rush, though,

1955
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: you gotta stop them run first, because you don't do that.

1956
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: The pass rush is wordless. Alright, so let's talk about

1957
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: the L s U linebacker. Really. You know a lot

1958
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: of people think, wow, very dynamic LU guys would be

1959
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: careful here. That's why I'm bringing it up because I

1960
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even gonna name him. I'm just

1961
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna say the L s U linebacker because he's very athletic.

1962
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: He's very aggressive, sometimes too aggressive, but but there's a

1963
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: guy who between the tackles can do a lot of damage.

1964
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,839
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, You've done some really good scouting

1965
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 1: here so far. That's very good. That's a very good

1966
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: eye for this player. Yeah, Devin White is and even

1967
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: as an a lum, I've I've had my moments where

1968
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: he's a he's an incredible athlete. You're right. The over

1969
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: aggressiveness I think is going to be a problem for

1970
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: him because he he wants to get there so badly,

1971
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: and then he will overrun place, he will overrun the

1972
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: whole he will over I don't think this is a

1973
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: very good, very good year for linebackers in general. If

1974
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you're a team that needs linebacker help, you know the

1975
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: bush kid in Michigan. I mean there's some smaller, shorter

1976
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: type guys but with Devin White though, again, I love

1977
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: the kid. He's a hard worker. I love the fact

1978
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: he played in our bowl game. He could have set

1979
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: that thing out. But you're absolutely right. The things that

1980
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: that bother me the most about him is I don't

1981
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: know how will he really covers. I think that he

1982
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: has to speed to do it. He has to speed,

1983
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna give you everything you

1984
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 1: want as a like a three down play. That's a problem.

1985
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: That is a problem in the league. So keep an

1986
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: eye on that. But I know one thing that he

1987
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: will do that a lot of linebackers on. He's able

1988
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 1: to create turnovers. Yeah, you watch him when he tackles,

1989
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: he's got to pop to him. He's got wrapped. He's

1990
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: got one of those guys. It's not afraid to punch

1991
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: the ball. He will try and create things for you,

1992
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: uh defense, to get off the field. But but again,

1993
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on how well he really

1994
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: covers as a in the passing game that that has

1995
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: been There's been a lot of things with all of you.

1996
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: They brought him on some blitzes and stuff. So and

1997
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Dave A. Randa, the defensive coordinators brought him so he

1998
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: doesn't have to play in coverage, okay, underneed zone stuff,

1999
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: but with having to run with guys and stay in

2000
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: position keep an eye on see now, if you're uncertain

2001
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: about that, that kind of puts him out of the

2002
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: top fifteen, doesn't it. Well, someone's gonna fall in love

2003
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: with the fact that the production. They're gonna fall in

2004
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: love with the tackles, they're gonna fall over the physicality,

2005
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna fall in love with the speed. They're gonna

2006
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: But when you really really really dig in on him,

2007
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: and I know you guys will, he's gonna, he's gonna,

2008
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: there's gonna be sometimes you're like, oh, he just he

2009
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: there's separation. Oh he's got to get you know. He

2010
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,560
Speaker 1: wasn't where he needed to be. Oh you know, the

2011
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: crossing round. He wasn't aware what was going on. And

2012
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: you know that. I think that's where I think the

2013
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: scouts when they get into the room, they start talking

2014
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: about and but by just by naturally by the I

2015
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: think the lack of depth at the position that he's

2016
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those guys that you know is

2017
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, probably overdraft a little bit any day.

2018
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Three linebackers you like if you're looking for somebody that

2019
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: has the potential to eventually become a guy that can

2020
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: play on third down for you, coverage guy or or

2021
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: maybe like a guy that's a run stop right first

2022
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: a second down. And see this is this is a

2023
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: guy that won't be for your team because gentleman's aside speed.

2024
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,879
Speaker 1: I but the David Long, the kid from West Virginia,

2025
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: the lineback, he might seem he's a five eleven guy. Again,

2026
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Dave loves big players. He's a West Virginia kid. Uh

2027
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: he said big. Then it's a big man's game. It's

2028
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: a big man's game. And and but I'm looking at

2029
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think of like with with

2030
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: my team, it's it's about speed. Rod Marinelli comes from

2031
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,799
Speaker 1: that Tampa you know, the Derek Brooks that the smaller,

2032
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: faster affairs. But yeah, if you want if like I say,

2033
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I look at I look at a guy like Long,

2034
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, give me a guy that can run,

2035
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: give me a guy that can finish, give me a

2036
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: guy that will put himself in position to tackle. I

2037
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: mean he's again he's not a very very big guy.

2038
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: But that that that's kind of where I'm thinking right now,

2039
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: if they if they draft a guy. You know, Covington

2040
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: was a kid that we took last year from Indiana.

2041
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: That's a little bit bigger guy, but same kind of thing.

2042
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 1: Run hit linebackers, that's what you're gonna have to go.

2043
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Singletary just ran a four six six on his

2044
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: first run. By the way, I'm sure he wants a

2045
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: better time than that. On a second, you know, what

2046
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: did you think about him when you watch you know,

2047
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: watching we have to say Kwan Barkley last year, I

2048
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: don't think running back is a very big factor. When

2049
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 1: I talked to you, you're like a full You're full,

2050
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know what. So, yeah, I have not

2051
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: gone to the running backs yet. Yeah, I'm getting there.

2052
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't blame you though you're branding back was my

2053
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: favorite running back. So and that's the that's the fear

2054
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that we have now of you know, of having to

2055
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 1: compete against the Giants, is that you know that they

2056
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: went out and much like what the Cowboys did. You know,

2057
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: when you you can you can lean on that running

2058
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: game and the fact that how well Barkley catches the

2059
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield and how that puts so

2060
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: much pressure. You talking about linebackers having here having to

2061
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: deal with that. That's just a totally different scheme that

2062
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you have to play against, especially with him in the

2063
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: passing game. Well, it's funny because of your Cowboys connection.

2064
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: Obviously we're a giant's program, right, We're talking about two

2065
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: organizations that said, look, Ezekiel Elliott, say Kwan Barkley. You

2066
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: can hang your hat on those guys. There's nothing wrong

2067
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: with making them a very high draft choice. Counter to

2068
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: some people who are like, no way in the world,

2069
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: all right taking a running back that high. No, it's

2070
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: Dave did the absolute right thing. Dave had a plan

2071
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: for what he wanted to do at the running back.

2072
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: We in Dallas drafted Ezekiel at for Tony Romo. It

2073
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: just so happened that Tony Romo got hurt in the

2074
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: preseason game. You know, we were trying to extend the

2075
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: career of of Tony Romo and it just so happened.

2076
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: Though it helped bridge to Dak Prescott is what it did.

2077
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: So having a running back that's a dynamic can as

2078
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: a complete back. I mean with Barkley, you watch him,

2079
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: he's just as good a pass block and mean when

2080
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: I saw at Michigan or excuse me, Penn State. Uh,

2081
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: it's just as good complete back. I mean, it's it's

2082
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: difficult to play against guys like that. We'll have to

2083
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: deal with that for a long alight. I got one

2084
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: more because I know we're running out of time. You know,

2085
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: get Leman really well. I do, so, I'm not gonna

2086
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: let you get out of here, okay without giving us

2087
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: a gut feeling for how he feels at number six.

2088
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: We've heard all the chatter about how I do want

2089
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: to get a franchise quarterback for Eli, you know, to

2090
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: mentor and then do what Ernie did and leave here

2091
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: with a legacy. We've heard that. We've also heard him

2092
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: say I won't force the issue, and we also know

2093
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: he loves hog Molly's Yeah, all right, I've laid it

2094
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: out for you. Where's he going? You know? I think

2095
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: that to me with Dave, he's gonna take a big

2096
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: school guy for sure. He loves guys again, the Heighthway

2097
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: speed guys, you know, I you know, to me, I

2098
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: mean he he needs to fix that offensive line. I

2099
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: think he needs that. That's something he has to he

2100
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: has to think about, not just for this quarterback, but

2101
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: for for the years to come though, So I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm kind of I don't. I'm caught between. If

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01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: he were to go defense, you know, he could of

2104
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: course go either way, but I I don't know why

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01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: he wouldn't take a look, take one on an offensive

2106
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: time whoever, which every one that he likes? Who's your

2107
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 1: favorite right tackle in the draft? I personally I like

2108
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Taylor myself. That's what the really we've had on today,

2109
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 1: I think to me though, and I and I just

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01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's done some things. You know, he

2111
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: just needs to he needs to help his current quarterback,

2112
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: but he needs to help the future quarterbacks, whoever that is,

2113
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: and and help block for sake Kwan and help block

2114
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: for sake Kwon. Though this team, the Giants have always, always,

2115
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: and again I had the great fortune work with Bill

2116
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: Parcels at the Cowboys always been a team that had

2117
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: the best offensive defensive lines always, and they need to

2118
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: get back to that. Though. I would, I would take

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01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: I could say I would. I would surely look at

2120
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: the Taylor kid from from from Florida. We know he's

2121
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: old school because he loves the trenches. I just I

2122
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 1: just that, and that's why I love being here. I know,

2123
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on again. I I

2124
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 1: have so much respect for the man to your left

2125
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: and what he does and how you guys study the draft,

2126
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: and again it's a real pleasure. We've been friends for

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01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: a while now and this is really the first opportunity

2128
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: I've ever had to come and be on. So I

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01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: thank you for you have again before the Draft, I hope,

2130
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 1: so thank you the Draft Show. Check it out on

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01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast networks. We'll be right back with Rick

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01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: Sarahtella from the NFL Draft Bible, and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: We're back here at the NFL Combine, Day three, our

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Speaker 1: final two hour program, only twenty minutes remaining, John Shmunk,

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01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,600
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Speaker 1: now we're joined by Rick Sarahtela, formerly of the NFL

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01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: Draft Bible. But where can we find your work now? Yeah,

2139
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: I partnered up with the NFL Draft Scout dot Com

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01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: guys this year, which is Rob ranging his group. Rob's

2141
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: a friend of the program, very well respected and Uh,

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01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, we'll actually have the NFL Draft Bible publication

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01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: on the NFL Draft Scout. So I'm happy about that.

2144
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 1: The first time you doing a draft on how many

2145
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: years about at that gate it's been Yeah, I like

2146
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: to say, you know, we've been cranking at the last

2147
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: ten months, but it's really been about ten years in

2148
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:48,560
Speaker 1: the making now since the last time I did a

2149
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: draft guide. And you know, I traveled the country. I

2150
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: put a little bit of a unique take to the

2151
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: draft guide. I'm gonna have probably close to a hundred interviews,

2152
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I've traveled, you know, from the

2153
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 1: media day is to the to the Games, to the

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01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: All Star process, to different training facilities all over the

2155
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: country and just getting to know these guys, putting their

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01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: story out there. And uh, you know, I think the

2157
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: big thing with the draft why you see so many

2158
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: first round misses. You you can't gauge what's here and

2159
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you can't measure what's here. So you know, the more

2160
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: you get to know these guys, that the little bit

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01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: of advantage that you can get it it goes a

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01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: long way. Well it's interesting you say that because Dave

2163
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: Gentleman says for him the most important thing a guy

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01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: could have. Obviously the tape is shoe, but instincts and

2165
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: you can't know that's not just go to the supermarket

2166
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 1: and pick it up off the shelf. And so you know,

2167
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 1: you could change your height and weight, you can change

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01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: your speed, you can't change your instincts. Correct. Yeah, it's

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01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: a it's a big thing. And obviously, uh the one

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Speaker 1: on one meetings and the medical is a big part

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01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: of it, probably the biggest part of it. And unfortunately

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01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: we don't have access to that. But the way the

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01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: combine before, you know, they're gonna have cameras live streaming

2174
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 1: in the in the boy room and everything. So we

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01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: we have talked over the these three days about you know,

2176
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: the significance of the combine and I've been bringing up

2177
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: a couple of stats to some of the folks. Thirty

2178
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: eight snubs from last year's combine were drafted. A third

2179
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: of the guys who were at this combine last year

2180
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: did not get drafted. Uh, so this is not to

2181
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: be all end all. So from your perspective, um the

2182
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: value of the combine as compared to pro days, where

2183
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: where do you rank them on the basis that certainly

2184
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,759
Speaker 1: there are a lot of very highly thought of players

2185
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: who won't work out here, won't even be here. And

2186
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to add all star games of that equation,

2187
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: all that non game tape stuff. How do you rank them? Well,

2188
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you another stat real quick, there's more undrafted

2189
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: free agents in the league right now than fourth, fifth, sixth,

2190
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: and seventh round picks combined. Did not know that that's true. Well,

2191
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: as long as we're going with the stats, one third

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01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: of all NFL rosters consists of undrafted one number. I

2193
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: did see this number sixteen undrafted free agents on the

2194
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: Patriots and fourteen on the Rams in this past Super Bowl. There,

2195
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, holy smokes. Hey, I'll tell you what the

2196
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent process, which really begins day three. I

2197
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 1: think teams start calling and getting those deals, and I

2198
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: think that's more difficult, but just as important as the draft,

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01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: because now you're bringing in twenty guys in addition to

2200
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: your draft picks, and a lot of these guys are

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01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna go on and have a significant impact on your roster.

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01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 1: So but to answer your question, I think at least

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01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: your great as your game film, that's your resume. Then

2204
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: you get to the All Star games, and you get

2205
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 1: to see the smaller school guys compete against the bigger

2206
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: school guys. How they adapt to that, and you see,

2207
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, who's the alpha male, who's the cream of

2208
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: the crop. Cream always rises to the top. That's what

2209
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Speaker 1: I love about the All Star selection process. Then you

2210
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: get here and it's an apples to apples, orange to orange.

2211
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: We're all running on the same surface, we're all testing

2212
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: at the same thing, and it's it's really just checking

2213
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: off the boxes as you go. Right Loga holy Field

2214
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: just ran a four seven nine am I worried about it,

2215
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: Not really because he ain't that guy. Yeah, like Ernest,

2216
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: Ernest mind. He used to say, Hey, you need three yards,

2217
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: I'll get you three. You need four yards, I'll get

2218
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: you three. You know that. I know he's got some punch,

2219
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: real deal. We made it easy on a lot of

2220
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: other guys. You talked about a top ten guys, top

2221
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: of the draft. We know you dig deep on the

2222
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: small school guys and the little guy. So that's how

2223
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: we that's how we figure a good way to specialty.

2224
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: So we think we wrap up with you on some

2225
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 1: of the guys that nobody's talking about. Okay, who let's

2226
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: start with this because we we we got this with

2227
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Tony Poland he gave us a few names. And Tony's

2228
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: great on these little guys too, who should have been here.

2229
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: That's not wow. Well, let's start in our own backyard.

2230
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Wesley Hills from Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania. I mean, this guy

2231
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: was outstanding at the nfl p A Collegian Bowl. Stop

2232
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: six it to and change. Man. He's got an incredible backstory.

2233
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: We'll have that in the draft guide. But you know,

2234
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he did outstanding at the nfl P I gotta call

2235
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: up to the Senior Bowl. Did very well there. And

2236
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Foster, if you're listening, I don't know why this

2237
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 1: guy is not in town. Michael Dogby from Temple. I mean,

2238
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: this guy is one of the biggest freaks in the

2239
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: entire country. What he's gonna do at his pro day

2240
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be ridiculous. And he's a guy he can

2241
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: play inside, he can play outside. You want the lineman,

2242
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you can call him poor man for Shaun Gary, you know,

2243
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean his strength and speed combination.

2244
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Here's the deal too. Matt Rules, very well respected in

2245
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: the NFL community. Actually, take a look at his track

2246
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: record and the type of players he constantly turns out.

2247
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: He's an original Matt Rule guy and he's gonna be

2248
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: polished ready to play. Listen, this guy we talked about

2249
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: the undrafted free agents making an impact. If he doesn't

2250
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: get afted, he's gonna be making an impact for somebody's roster.

2251
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 1: And the way four or six and a four or

2252
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: five nine on his two runs, I'm sure he wanted

2253
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: to do a little I'm sure he wanted to break

2254
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: under four five five and um, you know, I mean, listen,

2255
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of guys, uh that aren't

2256
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: here that should be here. But you know, that's why

2257
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them do some kind of combine expansion.

2258
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, I know they're doing the Kansas. Why not

2259
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: have them here? Why not get the apples to apples,

2260
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 1: range to range comparison, have them here? It was some

2261
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 1: players here. Now, how many do you want? I mean

2262
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: how many? I mean when you cut down from ninety

2263
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: guys to fifty three there there, how many jobs are

2264
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 1: getting lost to Where do you find these guys? I mean,

2265
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we start with thirty players and

2266
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 1: we chop them down to the top five. M all right,

2267
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for three days to ask you about

2268
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: this player because I I wasn't sure how many other

2269
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: people would know about him, and I know you do,

2270
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: and I haven't set this up, folks, So I hope

2271
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't disappoint here with Rick put him on the spot,

2272
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: Donald Parr him tight end from stets In. Yeah, six

2273
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 1: eight two d I told you about him, but the

2274
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, coming off an ankle injury, unbelievable production and

2275
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: a freakish frame. Mhm, well, his agent is gonna be

2276
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: mad at me. Oh, I just I don't see a

2277
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 1: position for him at the next level. You don't, despite

2278
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: the fact that he really tore up FCS. He's just

2279
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,919
Speaker 1: awkward looking. Okay, guy can't block a fly, skinny ankles,

2280
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, fragile. He got hurt at the Senior Bowl, right,

2281
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean he couldn't even finish the week there. So

2282
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: how how is he going to hold up a six

2283
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: ft seven or six ft eight guy trying to block

2284
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: these guys in the trenches. I don't see it. And

2285
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: he's not fast enough to play wide receiver. Is kind

2286
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: of like phase on owd Um from Fordham a few

2287
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: years ago. If you guys remember him, big tall, pass

2288
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: catching tight end. Uh, you know, tight end and a

2289
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Body just not fast enough to play out

2290
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: there and make a living. And I just don't see

2291
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 1: it as a tight end. So unfortunately, I'm sorry Donald,

2292
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: but uh, I'm gonna take a pass. Okay, that's fine.

2293
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: Give me give me some Day three bigger wide receivers.

2294
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a guy that ELI can throw

2295
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: up to win, you know, at the point of attack,

2296
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe a back shoulder throw here there with that big

2297
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 1: frame catch radius. Who do you like Day three guys

2298
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 1: that could fit that equation? A Day three guy with

2299
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: a tall catch radius, you know. Um this kid and

2300
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: Antoine Wesley. He's a small school kid. Uh, incredible highlight playmaker. Um.

2301
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: I really think he's gonna do some big things. Um,

2302
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, running through the list in my head off

2303
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: the top, it's hard to where do you think Helan

2304
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 1: DAWs is gonna go? Kelan DAWs? There you go? I

2305
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: saw him at the nfl p A and he was

2306
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: also with the Senior Bowl too. Yeah. Well, okay, well

2307
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: he established himself at the nfl p A. I thought

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01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: he was one of the top. He was along with

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01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 1: Ola B. C. Johnson. Here's a name Colorado State that

2310
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: was the most popular or man in Pasadena. He met

2311
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: with every single team. So I think he's gonna get

2312
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: dreaded and I don't think he's here. So that's another

2313
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: guy to keep it looking like it hard to forget

2314
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:18,640
Speaker 1: that one. I think that Well, let me let me

2315
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: ask you this just for our local fans as well.

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01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 1: Kind of different kind of question. Anyone from from Rutgers

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01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: who were not hearing much about who may have an

2318
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to cracking NFL roster. Yeah, and Delvin Randall from

2319
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Temple is not here safety, but Rutgers has a safety

2320
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: that's here. I think say Kwon Hampton, and I really

2321
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: like his uh his field leadership. You watch him play.

2322
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,759
Speaker 1: He's always getting players lined up in the right position.

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01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: He could play in the box. Um. So I like

2324
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: say Kwan Hampton a lot. The kid Isaiah Wharton is

2325
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: under the radar. I don't think he's getting drafted, but

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01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I like his man coverage abilities um bless blessed Song Austin.

2327
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: He's a big, tall, lanky corner, very high on the

2328
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: NFL radar before the season began. Had an injury. I mean,

2329
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: teams had Day two grades on this kid. Where is

2330
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 1: he from? Now? I don't know what the medical is

2331
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: gonna look like here, but I mean there's a guy

2332
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 1: Day three potential. And then Tarik Cole uh, the left

2333
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 1: tackle who you know had his moments, you know. Um,

2334
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: I think he's another guy that falls into that priority

2335
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: free agent mix. But there's a guy like a Chad

2336
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Wheeler that you just kind of bring in and see

2337
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: what he can give you. All right, let's go to

2338
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: the easy stuff. Um, let's start, and we should wrap

2339
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: up with I think some of the big guys that

2340
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: Giant fans want to hear about who they might go

2341
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: with their first round pick. So let's go there before

2342
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: we say goodbye. Your thoughts on the top two quarterbacks

2343
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: of the top quarterback group, who do you have and

2344
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: where do you think their value lies in this draft? Well,

2345
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I have huge concerns about Daniel Jones arm velocity, and

2346
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of Drew Lock and all

2347
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: his you know, backfoot throwing, consistent right and and and

2348
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: the longer Drew lock sits the more the better I

2349
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: feel about him being a starter at the next level.

2350
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: But for me, it's Haskins is the guy. I mean,

2351
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: that's a franchise quarterback in my opinion. And you know,

2352
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna choose one guy, that would be the guy.

2353
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, Kyler Murray is my number two.

2354
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 1: But it has to be the right kind of situation,

2355
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: the right set up a Marcus Mariot to move in

2356
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: pocket where they build the offense around him, and I

2357
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: think it can be successful. So for me, it's Haskins

2358
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: one and Murray too. Where do those top two guys

2359
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: who aren't compared to the quarterbacks from last year? For you,

2360
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, I think Haskins would be in the mix

2361
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 1: for the top guy. I really do. I know a

2362
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 1: lot of people don't feel that way, but I think

2363
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: this guy was shot out of a cannon. I was

2364
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: telling people after a couple of weeks. They said, hey,

2365
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: old your horses, don't get too giddy. But I said,

2366
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: what don't you like about this guy now is deep

2367
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: balls are are a little you know, fluttering sometimes. But

2368
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm nitpicking here, um Kyler Murray. You know,

2369
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's if it was last year, I

2370
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: think it might be a different story. But I think

2371
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 1: this is the best year to be a short quarterback

2372
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: because of the Baker Mayfield right right, right, right, This

2373
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,639
Speaker 1: is the year where if you told me Kyler Murray

2374
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 1: was going number one, I wouldn't be shocked. Well, it's

2375
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: fashionable right now because of that. All right. So where

2376
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: would the Oregon kid Herbert have ranked if he had

2377
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: come out? We'll project you on that one. Yeah, I

2378
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: think he would be number two? Salute you know, and

2379
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy. I think he made the right decision

2380
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: going back. I know that people say, hey, what are

2381
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: you crazy? The quarterback class is so strong next year?

2382
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 1: But you know what, this time last year, everybody thought

2383
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Jared Stidhon was the first round pick. So things are

2384
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: gonna move and shake. Its how that goes right to

2385
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 1: it's the Alabama kid. Everybody was on him until Trevor

2386
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence came around. Right, So there's gonna be somebody Nobody

2387
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: was talking about Dwayne Haskins in August. Right, There's gonna

2388
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: be somebody who shoots out of the can next year too.

2389
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: So hey, some people think that transferred to Ohio State.

2390
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: The Hughes kid from Georgia that could be a breakout

2391
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: player next year, right, And there's a kid over in

2392
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Washington to uh that transferred from Georgia. So I mean this,

2393
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: this transfer portal, this is a whole another nature of

2394
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 1: the beast trying to love with these guys too. All Right,

2395
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 1: if the Johnnies don't go quarterback, let's go to pass

2396
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: Rusher next, and then I'll let Paul take care of

2397
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: the hog models on the offensive line after you get

2398
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 1: pass Allen and Botha. I'm assuming they're your top two

2399
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: edge guys for you. Who do you who's your next

2400
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 1: guy in that listed why? Hey, local flavor, bring bring

2401
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Rashan Gary home. Man. And I don't know how much

2402
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 1: he fits the Jane Betcher defense here, I'll say what

2403
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: he fits. Dave gotten no big, strong and fast. Hey, listen,

2404
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: this guy. I've been saying it. It's it feels like

2405
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: I've been saying it for two years now. I'm so

2406
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: excited for this week because I've been saying Rashaan Gary

2407
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: is gonna have a combine for the Ages. I mean,

2408
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna blow the roof off of Lucas Oil State.

2409
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 1: And this guy is gonna run faster than seventy percent

2410
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: of the running backs here at close to three undre

2411
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: pounds and he's gonna break four five five or four six.

2412
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. Wow, that's that's something. He's two eighty six.

2413
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: It's incredible, this guy. And that's why I say, you know,

2414
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 1: he might not be the prototypical fit, but just like J. J.

2415
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: Watt and Houston, you know, they kind of used him

2416
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: in that hybrid role. So you think you can move

2417
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: inside to a three technique on past I think you

2418
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 1: can play that guy anywhere you want. A final question,

2419
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: we're getting more heat for Taylor at right tackle. If

2420
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: the Giants were to go there at number six, I'll

2421
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 1: take Joe and Williams all day. But I really, I

2422
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: just think he's the most polished tackle prospect watching the film,

2423
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't see you know, here is

2424
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 1: her right tackle. There's not enough good offensive line and

2425
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, coming out, who who If he's not a

2426
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 1: left tackle, then who is in this draft? Because they're

2427
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: not a good not a good but they listen. He

2428
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 1: could play any tackle though, Kenny, I believe. So you know,

2429
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: there's there's all this fugazing nonsense about his alligators. I

2430
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: heard this, uh leading up to the draft, what with

2431
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: Brian Bulagger that's all I heard. He's got all Gator arms.

2432
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh we heard that about Justin Peuch. Yeah, and what

2433
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 1: has he done in the last decade? He started games

2434
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: that tackle Brian final one second round where the Giant's

2435
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,759
Speaker 1: gonna find value better chance of an of an offensive

2436
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: tackle or a defensive vent getting to them in that

2437
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: second round with all a chance to get a guy

2438
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: that they can play right away. Well, it's a loaded

2439
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: defensive end class. Do you think that better chat there? Well,

2440
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you I'll throw a sleeper candidate

2441
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: and it's not a tackle, but it's an offensive lineman.

2442
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 1: This kid Chris Lindstrom from Boston. Somebody telling us that.

2443
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, and I think if you put him

2444
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: in Will Hernandez inside with Barkley. I mean, I like that.

2445
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Rick. Always fun to have you and we'll

2446
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: definitely definitely talk to you before the draft to promote

2447
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 1: your when it comes out. And that's Rick Telly. Thanks

2448
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: for joining us on Giants dot com as you wrap

2449
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: up our draft covered from Indianapolis. Thank you so much

2450
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you to all our guests. Over

2451
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 1: the course of the last three days, Paul, we had

2452
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It has been horrific. We hope

2453
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: we brought you enough information. Today you're much more well,

2454
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: let's say, ready for the draft. You can see all

2455
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: the individual interviews up on giants dot com. Make sure

2456
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: you check it out, and me and Paul will tweet

2457
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: those out as well, and then of course you can

2458
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: find the complete show on any of your podcast networks.

2459
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:15,879
Speaker 1: Will get that up for you as quickly as possible.

2460
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for being part of the show the last few

2461
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: days from the Combine and Indy. For Paul to Tino,

2462
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm John Schmalk. Thanks again to all our guests. We'll

2463
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:23,879
Speaker 1: see on Monday back in East Rutherford.