WEBVTT - Fentanyl: Prescription or Poison? (Michael K. Williams recap) 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.120 This episode discusses drug use and overdose, which can be 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.000 triggering to some. If you or someone you know is 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:10.719 struggling with addiction and needs information, please visit www dot 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.280 s A, m h s A dot gov or call 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.040 the National Helpline at one eight hundred six six to 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.400 h E l P for twenty four hour free and 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.680 confidential help. Hey y'all, Hey, what's up? And welcome to 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.200 Let's Red Table that I'm Tracy t Row and I'm 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.000 Carl Pressley. Listen, how are you feeling to day? Tracy? 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:40.040 So amazing? Every day amazing. That's how I'm feeling. For me. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.240 You know, I already got a little jingle, So every 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.560 day amazing. Because it's clean up time, everybody do your part. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.239 My clean up has been a little slow. I've been 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.879 a little slow movement, a little bit everything. But let 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.760 me take you. Okay, you know how you just touch 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.000 one thing and then moved to the bank. But the 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.160 big project I've been working on my backyard. So now 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.840 let me tell you what I'm doing. Okay, Okay, tell 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.520 us about it. Last year this time, where were we quarantined? Oh, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.119 come on, Carl. Last year this time we were getting 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.440 ready to go somewhere fun. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.280 years of COVID have blurred together. Excuse me, Yes, yes, 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:20.120 it is almost our anniversary of Yes, yes, that up 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.720 going to the house. We went to the big house, y'all, 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.720 and we ain't talking about jail. We went to the 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:33.840 smith House for three years. The Lord is such a 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:40.520 blessed be here for the entire rt T. The backyard 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.720 was beautiful, and so I was inspired. I'm working on 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:50.080 the backyard. It's literally changing the furniture that's in the patio, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:54.320 furniture in the backyard, and upgrading some other stuff. So 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.080 we are in progress right now. So I'm gonna keep 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.240 you close because let me tell you, I'm gonna be proud. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.400 I feel like a before and after. It needs to happen. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.800 We got but like, we've been in this house for 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.680 ten years, and so some of the stuff that was 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.520 there it's ten years old or older. Well, no, it 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.600 makes sense. I did the same type of thing in COVID. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.480 I did a whole like yard re hall and don't 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.880 you follow me on Instagram? Yeah, you got a lot 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.720 going on on. I got a whole little TV show 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.280 called Outside with Carra where I go outside, and I 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.560 examined the bugs though, because this is what it is. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.000 I examined the books the bugs and the squirrels that 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.800 they do a lot in the yard, and I'm always 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.000 out there creating and resting and relaxing. Okay, what does 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.519 Bella have to say about these books? Bella, she's no 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.360 leaving yard with me when she's home part time she is. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.440 She is the part time dog. She is the part 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.320 time dog. She is home. It is summertimes, so we 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.359 know she's gonna take some longer walks in the evening. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.000 Who knows that she'll come back. She stayed with her 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.880 second family. But yeah, so I'm outside and I examined 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.080 the books. Over to day. I found a praym Mansis 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.079 that was dope. Yes, alright, but you know what we're 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.200 gonna hear about this episode. This episode was incredibly informative, 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.160 but it was equally heartbreaking car hearing about how the 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.480 poison how fitting All, has infiltrated recreational drugs and killed 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.400 so many people. For those who don't know exactly what 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.560 fenton All is, it's a synthetic opioid and it's used 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.080 pharmaceutically to treat severe pain like for advanced cancer patients, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.520 and it is fifty to one hundred times more potent 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.840 than morphine according to the c d C. That's some 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.840 serious potency. Okay, but the heartbreak from me. I loved 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.760 Michael kay Williams. I thought he was such a phenomenal talent. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.040 To lose him like that, there were several moments, and 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.080 then to see the heartbreak that his nephew had and 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.920 to find him. And Olivia's story, where do we it's 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.320 allowed to unpack with this episode? What was something super 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.760 impactful to you? Even get into it. Olivia's story broke 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.600 my heart because what would have been something that you 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.800 and I could have done back in the day. Sneaking 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 out hooking up with some guy would have just been 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.560 a story we would have told our girlfriends. She literally 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.440 lost her life because of it, and the hurt oh 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.400 and her mother and her father. It just it was 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.640 just heartbreaking. Not even just Olivia, but Kate friends and 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.960 one night woke up and was paralyzed herself. I got 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.279 something to say about that. Now, I already noticed such 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.400 a subject for you, because I felt like she's at 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.320 the table she was. It's still a little nonchalant in 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.120 some conversations. Is that what you thought? It felt like 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.880 it right. We're gonna get into the comments later. Don't 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.960 worry about it. I just think about how there's such 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.560 a ripple effect, how many people were impacted by those stories. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.400 Is just the multiplying factor of heartbreak for me. Shout 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.440 out to Gammy Willow and Jada, you guys did a 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.240 really good job. Oh yeah, Oh, they're touching a hard 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.839 topic this season. Who had the meeting and sale? We're 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.480 digging deep this year. I think that's what's happening with 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.560 the pandemic. Absolutely, we've had time to be introspective and 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.560 dick deep and say what is really going on, what 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.799 is really happening with myself, what's happening with my neighbor, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.080 what's happening with my family? And then what do you 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.960 plan on doing with your life? The awareness is necessary. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.440 People need to understand the dangers in general before they 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.400 go out there and try to solve their problems another way. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.799 Now it's time to hear from you our community. This week, 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.520 we asked our online Red Table Talk community. After learning 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.599 about the dangers of fitting all these drugs, have you 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:34.400 reconsidered recreational drug use or had conversations about staying safe 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.320 with your loved ones. Here are some of your answers. Carl, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.000 you want to go first. I see that. I heard 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.440 Jason said everybody I know is on drugs. They want 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.440 to die, obviously, and they do not want help. It's 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.200 hard to say that so directly like that, but I 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.680 understand you, Jason. It seems like some people out here 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.720 two sheets to the wind, and some people will say, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.120 but I think some people truly feel like they don't 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.919 have a choice. I think that's what it is. You 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.080 think they don't have a choice. I think some people 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.480 feel like they don't have a choice, like they may 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.520 not know other alternatives, or they may know that I 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.159 did that last weekend, so I'll do it again, or 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.039 the people that are around you are doing it, so 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:12.640 you go ahead and do what's around you, do what 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.719 you see. Yeah, that's tough. Maggie Evans shout out to you, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.320 Memphis Sister friends. Red Table Talk community member said the 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.000 only drug I've ever done is a couple of pot 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.640 gummies when I was freaking out because my dog was 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.919 diagnosed with terminal cancer. I made it forty eight years 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.600 without a single drug. Those gummies were bio and I'll 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.440 never do it again. That's my entire personal experience with drugs. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.120 I think recreational drugs, by and large, she says, should 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.479 be legalized. Our drug laws are stupid and disproportionately affect 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.400 people of color. A man of that, Maggie. If you're 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.480 going to use them, then you have to make an 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.039 informed choice and accept that your use may result in 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.080 your death. Unless you know one hundred percent of the 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.159 supply chain that created that product, you are rolling the dice. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.240 That's literally why I've never done drugs, except for those 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.600 damn dispensary gummies barf emoji. I didn't want to wind 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.560 up brain damage or worse. Maggie. You had a lot 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.200 to say, and that was a lot to say. That 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.720 was true, Maggie. We feel you. I was scared away 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.840 from drugs too. I've heard about that story of the 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:24.040 basketball player I can't remember his name. Yes, yes, one 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.320 time and was gone len Bias. It was before my time, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.680 but I definitely came up and heard that story over 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.360 and over again. Yeah, it was key and just me 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.800 thinking twice whenever I was out, not like people were 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.360 doing lines and colak at the party but it was 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.720 definitely something in the back of my head. Another comment 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.000 we have is I'm scared to death about using any 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.520 drug that has not been prescribed for the use of 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.600 treating an illness or condition. There can even be adverse 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.119 effects of prescribed drugs, So why would you trust street 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.120 drugs from folks who were trying to make as much 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.360 money as possible by extending in stretching the amount of 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.160 the drug for their greater profit. To me, it's a 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.160 no brainer not to use drugs in a recreational way. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.160 You may only get one opportunity to make that decision, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.920 and not from Diane Feeling Cook. Thank you, Dane. In 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.080 our communities, I hear you too. People do not have 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.840 your best interest in mind. I think we're gonna tap 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.080 into that a little bit as well, like intentional drug 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.880 use and do you trust the person you're getting it from. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.640 So many things to factor in and consider before you 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.280 even use something. We feel your Dianne. Yeah, Diane Feeling 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:26.720 Cook is right. I'm with her in the heck. I 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.480 can tell you I don't even want drugs that have 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.520 been prescribed to me if they're too strong. I'm gonna 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.520 tell you something, cal I took. I had a secret 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.680 thumb one time, and what I tell you, I took 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.959 that prescription narcotic and I felt like my face was melting. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:44.600 No thanks, wait wait wait wait did you say melting? 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.000 I promised you taking it was oxy. Okay, okay, it 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.360 was too too strong for you. It wasn't too strong. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.840 If anybody ever tells you I'm popping peels, just know 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.800 that is It's the worst line they ever told, because 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.520 that is not happening. When I took that dog on 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:04.480 oxy that was ride for melting pain management after surgery. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.080 I sat there and I promise you, I felt like 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.959 my right side of my face was melting off. Did 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.920 you touch it? I didn't touch it. I was like, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.680 my face is melting. This is this is your example 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.120 right here. I don't know who needs to hear this. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.160 You don't have to live it to learn from it. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.320 Please know that Tracy's face was melting one time and 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.640 she didn't last. I mean, how many examples do you need? Okay? 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.400 All right? Well, thank you for sharing your story as well, Tracy, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.920 and thank you so I read table talk community. Man. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.000 We appreciate you always chiming in and giving us your comments. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.559 We're gonna take a quick break, but when we get back, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.520 we'll be joined by two guests from our Red Table 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:51.640 Talk community. We're welcoming to fellow RTT community members onto 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.280 let's Red Table bat. I'm so glad that Debora Fields 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.400 Harris is at the virtual Red Table today. Debora is 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.199 actually joining us from mrs it Be, where she works 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.880 as an HR manager for a manufacturing company. Deborah has 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.320 witnessed the dangers of fitting all lace drugs at her 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.960 job and in her family. So seeing that up close 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.000 personal relationship with that she can actually see and share 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.960 with us today how deeply harmful it is. So thank 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.880 you Debora for coming and for being willing to just 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.240 share your experience with us today. Hello, everyone, excited to 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.200 be here. Hey Debro, thank you so much for being here. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.120 And I'm excited to introduce our other amazing guest, April Ryan, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.520 who has been a part of our Red Table Talk 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.160 Memphis Sister Friends community since two thousand eighteen. I'm really 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.120 grateful that you're able to share your unique perspective on 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.960 drug use as you have tried councling our cottage. We're 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.880 gonna talk about that, but only because they've been prescribed 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.280 to you. So thank you so much for being with 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.960 us on less Red Table that April. Thank you, thank you, Yeah, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.920 thank you both, thank you both. We appreciate you, guys, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.840 says the part what where we go? What of the show? 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.520 Where we reveal which moments made us pause, rewind, take 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.640 that back and listen again. Wait what, Cara, we had 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.079 some moments for our wait what moments? Let's talk about it. Yeah, 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.959 we had a lot of moments in this episode, so 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.360 let's just kick it off by discussing with our guests 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.679 the first moment, which is when Jada asked Gami if 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.200 she would have stopped using drugs if she'd known that 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.640 finnol was on the streets. Do you think that would 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:33.880 have helped you stop? Absolutely not really, I'm so glad 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.480 that it wasn't because I'm o d before I would 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.920 definitely be dead and that there's no question in my 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.640 mind about that, which is heartbreaking from me because first 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.120 of all, we love Gam, we love all of our 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.760 people friends, and just this episode brought a lot of 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.000 those things to like just knowing they wouldn't have stopped 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.640 no matter what. So, did you notice how Gam gave 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.840 you a certain look? Before Jada asked that question, she 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.319 really was looking at her like, do you want to 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.960 really ask me that? That moment right there really touched 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.120 for me simply because my mom, as beautiful as she 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.400 was and did the best that she did, she did 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.679 have her own struggles, and drugs was one of them. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.600 Just this gammy head. She was addicted to crack. She 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.080 was one of those functioning drug gags where she held 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.880 down a government job. Once the job found out about it, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.400 they sent her to rehab and she got better. That 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.760 really touched home. And I put myself in that situation 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.920 and wonder if my mom knew this powerful drug was 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.600 out there, was she had successfully gone through rehab. Yeah, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.599 I appreciate the Gamy said no because she was just 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.559 knee jerk, honest. But if you're in the midst of addiction, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.800 I guess there's really no way to say, well, I'm 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.880 going to wait and not do that one versus this one. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.360 If you're literally truly pursuing a high. Never what do 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.520 you think it resonates with me growing up and South Memphis. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.320 And I don't know if you recall my cousin Robin, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.920 she has been on drugs probably twenty five years since 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.560 she was about ninety or twenty. She went from crack 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.720 to meth and then meth to heroine. And she's had 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.720 some mental situations and severe medical episodes in her life 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.360 and now she's unfit and all and her mom is 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.520 just going through And so recently she came to Memphis, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.959 her family visited. She ended up getting left behind, and 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.960 my heart is going out because memphisis not the place 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.520 to be when you are drug used or you addicted 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.920 to drugs, being out there on the streets, and like 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.480 right now, we don't know where she is. And he 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.520 had gone back home with her family, maybe they would 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.360 know where she is. They know where the drug house is. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.720 This girl looks like the Night of the Living Dead. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.560 And that's where it resonates with me dealing with this girl, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.360 and that's where it's sitting with me. First of all, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.400 I appreciate both of you being so honest and sharing 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.920 your experiences with such candor, because it's not easy. It's 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.280 not easy having family members on drugs. What are the 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.880 weight What moments for me that just I'm gonna tell 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.080 you all the truth got all over me. Was when 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.400 Kate said, after losing three friends, now y'all saw this episode. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.880 Three of her friends were dead from fitting All, and 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.040 then her warning was like, maybe I lived to talk 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.199 about this because people mess up. Man, It's okay to 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.000 start from the bottom and you know, kind of dig out. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.599 I don't know, to be careful with your drugs. I 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.280 don't know about you all, but I want to know 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.240 from y'all, because I'm gonna tell you from me. I 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.600 was like, what the heckle check on? How are you 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.840 talking about? Wait careful to drugs? If anybody could be 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.400 a thing gonna advocate for someone to say, I don't 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.760 advocate using drugs. Here's what happened to me, and just 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.960 be a little bit more aggressive with the whole message 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.080 and warning about how powerful and dangerous fitting All is 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.160 and that she's seen it firsthand. She literally almost died herself. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.280 But to say be careful with your drugs, okay, So 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.920 y'all can tell how I felt about it, because I 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.880 was on fire when I saw that. Tell me what 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.560 was your reaction, especially for both of you having loved 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.320 ones who are on drugs, How does that resonate with you? 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.600 What she said with loved ones, they just will not 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.800 admit an addict will never admit to their problem. And 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.160 that's one thing is they'll say, oh, I'm not a user, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.080 or oh I'm not on drugs. The first step is 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.840 if you want to be out of it, you would 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.880 first admit to the problem. And see they're never they 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.400 will never get help because they were in denial. That's 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.840 my biggest problem. This might be why she just said 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.720 be careful with your drugs, like she literally watched three 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.920 friends pass away and we're still talking about it as 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.000 if just be careful versus girl, this is deadly exactly. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.240 That's exactly what I was gonna say. Maybe that's the 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.360 point of view. She was looking at it, like she 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.560 knows that people are still going to you. People are 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.640 still going to abuse. At least, if you're gonna do it, 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.120 be careful with it. I feel where you're coming from, Tracy. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.240 But at least she did heat a warning be careful, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.760 get it from a steady person, get it from someone 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.360 you trust. You know what I'm saying. But you know 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.560 I'm gonna ask this question. I'm not trying to be funny, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.080 but y'all think people pray for the drugs. Okay, wait, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.120 I believe my cousin takes the Lord went there in 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.280 the crack house. I believe it. I'm talking about it 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.480 because the reality is to your point, April clean needles 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.960 and things like that. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.000 it's a wait. What within the wait? What do people 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.920 pray the way they pass? So you're saying it's prey 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:24.120 puff puff pan, it should be? Should it not? Could 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.200 it be? You know some friends in COVID that were 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.160 smoking with each other and I was like, y'all still 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.400 y'all still sharing? They were smoking and COVID you're still 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.280 sharing blunts and COVID still sharing. But see, I think 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:35.960 they just take the Lord with them and they say, well, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.880 just be careful. I'm just what I'm hearing. This is 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.400 what I'm hearing. I'm gonna I'm gonna say this. If 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.960 people ain't praying over their drugs with fil being put 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:50.600 in everything they need started absolutely need, because this is 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.040 the thing. Even if they're not stopping to call on 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.080 the Lord and actually truthfully pray, you can't tell me 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.640 that someone isn't, at least for a split second thinking 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.000 I hope nothing that because they still just want to 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.200 get high. I think they're just clouded and disillusioned by 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.800 the actual drug. Of course, I get it. I get 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.000 what you're saying, like they're in pursuit of the high. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.440 It's not that anyone that is addicted is intentionally trying 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.000 to kill themselves. I'm with you, I'm tracking with you alone. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.840 The same topic is the other weight what moment, which 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.600 is learning how fenton al actually works when you ingest 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.360 any opioid and needs. Initially you get that sense of euphoria, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.840 but then your drive to breathe is gonna go down 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.720 or stop breathing, and that's actually what kills you. Fentinel 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.280 can do that within a matter of ten minutes or so. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.440 I don't know about you guys, Like I think, we 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.639 hear all these stories fitting all in different drugs, and 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.640 we just assume it goes from use to a passing. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.280 But I had no idea that it slows down your 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.439 breathing until you completely stop. So knowing how it works 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.760 is also just important. Before you were impacted in your 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.399 families or personally by this drug or just use in general, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.119 did you know or have any awareness of what this 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.840 would even look like. Y'all recall that Prince was having 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.240 a medical condition. Prince suffered with hip pain. With all 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.320 the years of performing in the heels, he suffered with 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.520 pains in his stinkles and pains and his hips, and 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.479 he really needed hip replacement surgery. His medical professionals had 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.800 recommended it, and he did not have that surgery, and 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.480 he needed it to order to be able to have 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.359 a functional life. So he lived. It was prescribed sent 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.879 on and that's how he died, was an overdose of it. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.119 I did not know that he was prescribed it, but 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.280 wasn't what he had synthetic if I remember correctly. And 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.880 that was the issue. And here's the thing. It only 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.399 takes what a small amount. Look at a little fifteen 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:45.639 year old Olivia great sand Words took one pell and 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.560 it took her off the face of planet forever. She 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.440 didn't overdose. There was grains of sand worth of fentanyl 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.280 that killed. Oh, bless her heart, and she was already little. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.119 It's important to know as much as you can. Well, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.200 what do we know. It's tasteless, it's odorless, is powerful, 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:08.440 it's replicated, it's generic. It's just scary. And I won't 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.879 officially stay here. Tracy t Row is not telling you 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.239 be careful with your drugs. Tracy t row is saying like, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.000 don't do it. I don't want to be generic and 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.440 say just say no. But I am saying like, wow, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.479 take key to what's going on around us. And to 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.520 your point, I think April, you said that Kate was 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.400 maybe being cautionary and realistic at the same time. The 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.240 thing that y'all said that I didn't factor in was 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.240 that devil what you said about the nile and that 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.480 she may not be able to see what other people 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.480 see because from her perspective, it's different depending on what 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.920 level of drug she has or not having. Different take 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:48.280 a little bit different take on that. I am sickle 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:54.720 cell disease. That's worst case scenario. So my experience with 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.840 these payments, I know a lot about them. They started 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.880 me off on demron at a very young age, got 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.359 off of that. I've been through addiction, so I don't 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.440 like taking narcotics and they're required when I'm having severe pain, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.960 so I know quite a bit about it. They went 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.880 through a series of medicine, pay medicine narcotics to try 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.359 to find a pay medicine that works for me. A 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.240 lot of stuff I'm allergic to. One of the medicines 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.600 they tried was morphine. Trying to get me off of 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.440 Demerov found out I'm definitely allergic to morphine. Yeah, I 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.720 went into full arrest. I was dead. Was dead. So 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:38.399 when we know morphine codeneen fentcinel is actually one of 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.360 the ones I'm allergic to, because once I became an adult, 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.960 they tried that as well, but they tried that in 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:48.160 a patch form where it's slow releases and through the skin, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.480 and I still had very bad effects from it. So 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.359 it's a drug not to play with at all. So 0:20:54.520 --> 0:21:04.480 these grains are saying they're not joking about that. What 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.439 did y'all think about the episode? Like, how did you 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.159 connect with it? I connected with it again, like Olivia, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.600 I had a friend that had been through rehab. He 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.040 was on the straight and narrow. He was doing this 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.920 thing and just one night a party and with some friends. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.080