1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: me Ben, and we are joined as always with our 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: the top of the week, which means it is time 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: for some strange news. Before we begin today, I'd like 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: to extend a hearty congratulations to the people of Iceland 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: who have officially concluded some some great results from their 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: recent experimentation. And with the four day work week, it's 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: something a lot of people talk about. Uh, it's something 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people who have a 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: five day work week are big fans of personally. So 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: if you were in Iceland, let us know, tell us 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: how it's going. Kudos to you. You might be listening 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: to this on your extra day off. Way to make 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: socialism work right scenario? Is there listening to it while 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: they're at work? For one of those days, there we go. 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: And it's it's funny because for people outside of the US, 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: one of the only times that the average um U 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: S employee is going to get a an abbreviated week 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: is going to be due to a holiday. Like recently, 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: the US observed July four, which is the celebration of 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the country's independence from the British, and that meant that 29 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: we all got a Monday off, well off, the four 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: of us, right right right, Yeah, it's also uh, it's 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: fourth of July a k A amateur hour. This is 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: what I like to refer to it as people just 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: don't know how to act ben uh. And specifically in 34 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: San Diego, apparently there we're all commit in California in general, 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: you know how flammable things are. They're just all kinds 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: of horror stories about people being very irresponsible with fireworks. 37 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: And apparently in the San Diego fireworks display, some error 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: lad to all of them going off at once. What 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a thirty to forty minute display. 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: They all just blasted at once, which is probably pretty cool, 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: but then also it's kind of like, okay, that was 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: that was a little quick, but also kind of scary 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: if you were nearby. Imagine, Yeah, and it gives authoritarians 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: yet another chance to say, see what happens when you 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: have a little bit of freedom. So this is I mean, 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: it's like, it's part of the reason why I don't 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: particularly care for the phrase slippery slope. When you're using 48 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: it in a figurative sense. Every slope is slipper. It's 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: like it's like saying atm machin ervin number to imply otherwise. 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: But at this point we cannot wait to share with 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: you some of these strange stories we encountered when last 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: we spoke. Fellow conspiracy realist, We're diving into the world 53 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: of psychedelics, We're diving into the world of fraud, uh, 54 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: and we are diving into the troubling future of your dreams. Matt, 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: can you tell by my intonation I'm kind of okay, yeah, 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, no totally. And I'm just thinking about last 57 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: week and just as an up day for everyone, birds 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: still are not real, uh, at least according to that group. Okay, 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: so thank you for that. Man. Of course, we've got 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: quite a few messages about that. But yes, Ben, we 61 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: are heading into the world of dreams, and not just 62 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: the cool ones, the lucid ones where you do whatever 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: you want, uh, the dreams where advertisements play on a 64 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: loop NonStop for the rest of your dreams. This instantly 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: makes me think of that Black Mirror episode twenty million merits. 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called, where you have to 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: like pay tokens essentially to shut off the advertisements. Not 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: that happened in your dreams, that just happened in your 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: waking life, but you you can't look away, and if 70 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: you close your eyes at like, you know, hanks at 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: you and forces you to look and finish the ad 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: unless you pay to have it suspended. I I'm sorry 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: not to interrupted that them getting serious Black Mirror vibes here. 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about this when too meant because I 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: think we were both reading about it fairly in depth 76 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: a clock Sometimes it feels like we share the same 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: strange radar because this is something this kind of science 78 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: before it's like we're seeing the early stages of commercializing it. 79 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: But this kind of science, sure we'll talk about has 80 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: been a goal of a lot of research institutions, government 81 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: and private for some time. It's just kind of like 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: the story with cloud seating. Uh it's not yet as 83 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: sophisticated or as targeted as people would like it to be, 84 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: but that that may change pretty soon. Uh yes, and 85 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: we are not in black mirror territory as of this moment. 86 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: But what we're going to discuss is a slope which 87 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: is inherently slippery just by its very nature. Okay, so um, 88 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna begin with a story here out of The 89 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Guardian titled nightmare scenario scenario If you're nasty, Jesus, keep 90 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: it alarm as advertisers seek to plug into our dreams, 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: and here are just the first few paragraphs. When brewing 92 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: giant Cores launched a new advertising campaign earlier this year, 93 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: the format came as a surprise to many. The company 94 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: was planning to infiltrate people's dreams to get them to 95 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: buy and presumably drink, Cores beer. By the way, pulling 96 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: myself out of the article here, I am a fan, 97 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: of course it really it really does go down easy 98 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to drinkable beers. Cores is one of 99 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: those beers that, you know, it gets a hard time 100 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: by some folks who might consider themselves cicerones, which is 101 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: the beer equivalent of a small ya for why uh yeah, 102 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's I feel like, if you're paying 103 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: and you're being responsible, then drink which you want that 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: this kind of, this kind of approach seems unusual for 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: a beer that many people do not consider top tier, 106 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, they consider it like a barbecue kicking, kicking 107 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: back in the backyard kind of beer. Yes, if you 108 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: travel to New Jersey and hang out with my in laws, 109 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: Cores is the beer of choice. And I wonder how 110 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: much of that has to do with their advertising campaigns 111 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: when I just instinctive when I think about Cores, I 112 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: think about that can with the Mountains, the Rocky Mountains 113 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: cast the Rockies. Isn't that their official all? I all 114 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I know is what I what. The images that are 115 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: conjured up when I think about Cores are very very refreshing, 116 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: like just from there already regular old advertising campaigns. Right, 117 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: But if we jump to what they're trying to do now, 118 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to that article. It says Cores 119 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: encouraged people to watch a short online video before going 120 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: to sleep and then play an eight hour sound escape 121 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: through the night, so while they're sleeping, and if successful. 122 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: This quote targeted dream incubation would trigger refreshing dreams of Cours, 123 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: according to the company. And yeah, well first these first 124 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: this this is something that can be real science. Yes, 125 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: very diplomatic, it can certainly be real science. It's definitely 126 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: a weird science. Is this. This is like like implanting 127 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: subliminal messages in your mind that carry over into your 128 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: dreams and sort of influence Dove. But in this case, 129 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: it's not subliminal per se, because in that in that scenario, 130 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: you're generally being presented with something subliminally that you have 131 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah, this is this is something you choose 132 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to do so um in in this campaign, Cores could 133 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: not make you do this. You had to voluntarily watch 134 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: a video then listen to this eight hour soundscape as 135 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: they call it. Um it's it's really interesting stuff. And 136 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: they did this in January of this year alongside the 137 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl rather than you know, paying for this giant commercial, 138 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: which they couldn't do because this other beer company kind 139 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: of has the law on Super Bowl beer commercially trying 140 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Natty ice yea with the horses with the horses right 141 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: pass blue ribbon? Yes, uh, and hey that's an award 142 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: winning beer guys. Um, sorry, sorry for everybody who doesn't 143 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: drink beer or is too young to, so they're all 144 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: enjoyed at beer is such a silly concept to be 145 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: But but like the you know, the names, the histories, 146 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: that's a whole another show itself. But what you're what 147 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about is uh kind of leveraging those those 148 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: pre existing associations, right, like the sensation of hot or cold, 149 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: right the taste, which you know some people enjoy, some 150 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: people hate, probably the smell right there there. There are 151 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: a lot of ways this could go. So, Matt, do 152 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: we have access to this soundscape for clip purposes or 153 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: is this like a you only got it if you 154 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: signed up for the pilot kind of program. I I've 155 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: been able to find the raw files. I'm sure they 156 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: exist somewhere online. I wasn't able to find them. I could. 157 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: You can't find the original link that was shared when 158 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: this campaign was happening in January, but you can. It'll 159 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: just take you to the cores what is it, the 160 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Molson Coreps website and yeah, the Molson Corps website, like 161 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: will tell you about it. And then you've got some 162 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: videos of like how they did how they did this 163 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: whole thing and parts of the video, but I haven't 164 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: been able to find that soundscape. UM, let me know 165 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: if you guys happened upon it somewhere I was looking 166 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: for to there's UM. Yeah, I'm probably gonna keep digging 167 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: after after we recorded today because I'm I'm very much 168 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: interested in this sort of science. But also you know, 169 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: in an advertising way, this is a bit of asymmetrical warfare, 170 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: isn't it. If the if the beer that historically gets 171 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: those Super Bowl place those Super Bowl spots, if they 172 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: could be considered like the US or something, then this 173 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: is this is the equivalent of saying, why build an 174 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier when we can build something that blows up 175 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: an aircraft carrier much less expensively. But then, Matt, this 176 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: is not occurring without pushback from experts. There is an 177 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: open letter that you can read by Robert Strick, Gold, 178 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Antonio Zandra, and A J. H. Har h A A 179 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: r uh. You can find this just search for advertising 180 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: in dreams is coming. Now what you'll be able to 181 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: find that I found it on like I think some 182 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: public just a public server somewhere that had this, And 183 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: in here you are seeing pushback from a lot of 184 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: different groups and people just saying, hey, uh, maybe we 185 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't advertise to people while they're sleeping. And they call 186 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: this thing a massive slope because Coors isn't the first 187 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: group or company to try this stuff. When Xbox X 188 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: series was coming out, they tried to do the same thing. 189 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: They actually ran a mark and again it's associated with 190 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: marketing campaigns. It's like a marketing campaign. It's like Matroshka 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: dolls of marketing, where like it's marketing inside a marketing 192 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: campaign where they were boasting they could get gamers to 193 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: dream in Xbox games essentially or to dream of Xbox games. 194 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: So they You can find this, by the way, if 195 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: you head on over to I found it on the 196 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: drum dot com, but there a couple of other places 197 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: you can find this. Uh, it's a marketing campaign made 198 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: with the mccan world Group company. They got a bunch 199 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: of gamers, attached these really interesting looking devices to their foreheads, 200 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: had them play the new Xbox X series for like 201 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: a long long time, then had them go to sleep 202 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: with this thing attached, and they would communicate with the 203 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: gamer as they were sleeping, so like right as they 204 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: got into rem sleep. They would pull them out by saying, oh, 205 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: tell me about what you're seeing. What you're dreaming about 206 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: right now? They would describe it like Dolly right, yes, yeah, Well, 207 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: one one of the people was dreaming about using a 208 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: power called stasis that's featured in one of the desks. 209 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: I think is Destiny too has this power called stasis, 210 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: and he was like running away from monsters and then 211 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: realized that he could use stasis and helped he and 212 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: his friends escape. Another person was imagining Master Chief djaying 213 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: at a club. It was just, I mean, it's interesting stuff. 214 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: It becomes this like big um marketing campaign for Xbox 215 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: and how great it is and how much the gamers 216 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: love it. The people who were played this new system. 217 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. There's a really interesting point that's made in 218 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: the the open letter that you described, matt Um A 219 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: just read. Part of it is our dreams cannot become 220 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: just another playground for corporate advertisers, regardless of corps intent, 221 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: their actions at the stage for a corporate assault of 222 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: our very sense of who we are. And it's not 223 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: difficult to imagine Core's ad campaign negatively impacting abstinent alcoholics 224 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and they go on to talk about how people that 225 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: dream about a drug or something that they once struggled 226 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: with addiction of are much more likely to have cravings. 227 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: And then it could be a very um again slope 228 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: keeps coming up, but it is especially for things like 229 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: alcohol or or cigarettes or underage drinking. That's another thing 230 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: that is that's a huge problem with the technology or 231 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, not specifically the technology, but the application of 232 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: this technology. Like if they were just saying, if they 233 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: if they were just doing something like this is a 234 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: public campaign to get in your dreams about the importance 235 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: of using turn signals and taking shopping carts back to 236 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: the place where you're supposed to drop the shopping cart off. 237 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: Don't be a monster. That's what they ever like to 238 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: get behind, right like this is this, Yeah, this could 239 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: be problematic for some people. Folks in recovery and it 240 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: doesn't just have to be alcohol, folks in general and 241 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: recovery from some substance abuse. Still forward the future, Matt, Yeah, 242 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: well right, because I would love it if I could 243 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: play cyberpunk in my dreams, right, God, I would love that. 244 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: That would be so much fun. All the glitches would 245 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: be gone, everything, the frame rate would be perfect and 246 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: I still get to do the fun question. Um but um, 247 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: look up burger King, nightmare King. That was another situation 248 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: where a company was trying to use dreaming about a 249 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: product to their benefit through marketing campaign. Um. Last thing. 250 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: One of the big scary parts of this is the 251 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: fact that a lot of us have those little spies 252 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: that we keep in our houses, you know, not just 253 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: the ones in our our pockets with our phones children. 254 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. The is too currently not accessible by 255 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: most marketing companies to say things I will but the 256 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, your Google homes and your Alexis and all that. 257 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: There is a future potential where a company could trick 258 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: you into signing up for something where certain things play 259 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: while you're sleeping. Because so many people are wearing those 260 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: watches that monitor our sleep. Even our phones sometimes can 261 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: do that. Uh if if you're if your network knows 262 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: you're sleep and you're going through rim sleep, something could 263 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: be triggered to play on one of your devices where 264 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: you're getting subliminal or non subliminal advertising while you're sleeping. 265 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: In the future, it would require an opt in, but 266 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: it could be one of those things that like maybe 267 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: you don't even know that you have to and yeah, 268 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: it really requires an opt out or if you're if 269 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: you sign up for the service, you're going to get 270 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: a certain discount, right, I mean that's how it happen. 271 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: That's generally the way I'm thinking about this. Anyway, you 272 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: can look all of this stuff up right now. Check 273 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: it out. That Guardian article one more time is titled 274 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: nightmare scenario alarm as advertisers seek to plug into our dreams. 275 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Look it up, read about it and prepare your dreams 276 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: for these advertisers. There it is, and we've returned. Matt. 277 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: I want to go back to this, this earlier conversation 278 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: we just have before the break. I strongly believe this 279 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: should be a full episode. So let's let's let's see 280 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: what you have to say about a fellow conspiracy realist 281 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: in the meantime or waiting for that episode. Uh, I 282 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: thought I would come in with some intriguing good news. 283 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: It's also uh, it's also a story that takes place 284 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: in one of the most enigmatic environments known to this species, 285 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: the human mind. We know about as much of the 286 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: about the human mind as we do about things like 287 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean, which is to say, not 288 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: very much at all, Like, so still very little that 289 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: you should be worried by that fact, because the stuff 290 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: the species has figured out has generally been used to 291 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: manipulate groups of people rather than to better uh, the 292 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: quality of life for humanity or the quality of life 293 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: or non humans on this planet. So here's some good 294 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: news about the brain. Uh, psychedelic mushrooms. You know, fellow 295 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists, you're longtime listener, you know, we love talking 296 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: about this stuff. We love talking about the edges of 297 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: inner and outer space, and psychedelics can take you on 298 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: those journeys. They're not to be played with recreationally. This is, 299 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: of course, I'm sure legal requires me to say. This 300 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: is not stuff they don't want you to know, saying, oh, 301 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: go do mushrooms. They're coolish, they are very cool, but 302 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: we're not legally telling you to do them. Though. If 303 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: someone pulled a clip of what you just said out 304 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: of context, God help you. No, it's true. Uh. And 305 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: there's We're living in an interesting age too, right Ben, 306 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: where there's tons of new research. We're always finding out 307 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: new things and new properties of these substances that lend 308 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: themselves to some positive things, whether it be in mental 309 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: health or dare we say, even like some weird form 310 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: of evolution that's you know, we've talked about this little 311 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: bit in the past, especially the idea that there may 312 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: be some role psychedelics played in the um the rise 313 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: of what what became religion, right, the precedents for that 314 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: abstract sort of belief system. But the research, the research 315 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: into the hazards and the potential advantages of psychedelic use 316 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: has been stymied for generations in in the recent era 317 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: because they were associated with hard drugs, things like crack, cocaine, heroin, 318 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: powerful opioids. But now that we're reaching a new era 319 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: of research for psychedelics, the species is learning some fascinating things. 320 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: And a lot of this research comes about due to 321 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: tragic situations, due to uh PTSD survivors from recent conflicts, 322 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: and they're trying to say, you know what, what can 323 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: we do to alleviate these these conditions that are preventing 324 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: us from living our lives to the fullest extent. In 325 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: research shows that's where so called magic mushrooms can can 326 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: play a role. He here's why this is news. A 327 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: recent study found that psychedelics psilocybin specifically doesn't just help 328 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: address feelings of um, you know, mental illness, or feelings 329 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: of anxiety, PTSD, depression, so on. They've found that it 330 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: actually physically changes the structure of the mammalian brain. In 331 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: a very recent study that was published July five, researchers 332 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: found that dosing mice specifically can create what they call 333 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: neural adaptations. A single dose of psilocybin leads to a 334 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: ten percent increase in both the size and density of 335 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: what are called dendritic spines. And we need a whole 336 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: episode to get into the nuts and bolts of this, 337 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: But the important part is that first it's physically changing 338 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: the brain. It's helping the brain recover in ways that 339 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: are scientifically unprecedented for this kind of application. This means, 340 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: and again this is not a recommendation, your mileage may vary. 341 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: This means that if hypothetically you in suggested these substances, 342 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: they could heal damaged brain cells in people suffering from depression. 343 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: The second thing is that this is a lasting solution. 344 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: The study, which is again published in Neuron, finds that 345 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: this what they call structural remodeling, occurs within twenty four hours, 346 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: so it happens very quickly after you take a dose 347 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: of hallucinogen. And then when the researchers went back and 348 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: checked on their test subjects a month later, they found 349 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: those changes remained the same. This came from researchers in California, 350 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: but it's quite possibly leading a revolution in this era 351 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: of research. You know, it turns out that maybe those 352 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs ads, 353 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: you know, with the egg and the frying pan. It 354 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: turns out that maybe they were onto something. But in 355 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: some cases it might be a good thing. This is 356 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: stimulating the growth of new branches and connections between brain cells. 357 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: That means it might not just help address things like 358 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: chronic depression, which is incredibly dangerous, but it could help 359 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: ameliorate the symptoms of addiction. So people have suspected this 360 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: for a while, but have have you guys ever? Have 361 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: you guys heard of research like this. I was surprised. 362 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was just a popsy headline, but 363 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: it's legit. I haven't and I honestly never even really 364 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: associated the idea of things like depression or anxiety as 365 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: being because of brain damage exactly. I don't know that's 366 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: not exactly what's being said, but I think that's in 367 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: and of itself as a fascinating takeaway to consider how 368 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: little we do know about about the brain and how 369 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: magical these things are, for lack of a better term, 370 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they're called for a reason, because 371 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: they definitely do things that nothing else can. And I'm 372 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: interested to see where this goes. Ben. I'll give you 373 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: my unscientific remembrance of how this has been talked about 374 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: with me in the past, just in in conversation. I 375 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: believe the concept was when someone is maybe stuck in 376 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: a rut mentally when it comes to anything, uh, specifically, 377 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: if you're in UM, if you're feeling depressed and maybe 378 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: there's a there's a track that kind of never stops 379 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: playing in your mind, like you just kind of stuck 380 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: in that one place. If this substance really can um, 381 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: as you said, enhance those neuro receptors, change them a bit, 382 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: and allow you to break some of the calcification that's 383 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: going on there, even though the calcium is not involved. Metaphorically, 384 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: that's the way it's been spoken to me, like it'll 385 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: help you rewire your brain. But it was always in 386 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: an abstract kind of way, not in at least from 387 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: what I remember reading, never shown to actually physically change 388 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: those Yeah, let me let me add like, so this 389 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: is this is something that will be of interest I 390 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: think to to a lot of us listening along at 391 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: home or in your job or an iceland on your 392 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: day off. Congratulations again. Uh yeah, depression can types of 393 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: depression can affect your brain physically in detrimental ways, according 394 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: to the lead researcher of this latest study, a doctor 395 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: David Olsen, he says, quote, one of the hallmarks of 396 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: depression is that the new rights in the prefrontal cortex, 397 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: a key brain region that regulates of motion, mood, and 398 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: anxiety view, those new rights tend to shrivel up because 399 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: you know, the brain functions in many ways like a muscle. 400 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: And then you know you can see some of these 401 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: changes in cases of addiction, PTSD and so on. So 402 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: it's astonishing to realize. We talked about this a little 403 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: bit an episode we did a long time ago Mind 404 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: over Matter, right, like the you know, you see the 405 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: studies of certain monks are holy, holy aesthetics, right, and 406 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: they they have meditated so long that the parts of 407 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: their brain that are associated with empathy and compassion or 408 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: physically larger and denser than those of the average person. 409 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: And if that sounds like too much of a woo 410 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: woo explanation, folks, then consider also the famous black cab 411 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: drivers of the United Kingdom. They have to take this 412 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: monstrous test called the Knowledge and it teaches them how 413 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: to basically they memorize London in various what if scenarios 414 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: and they can't they can't use the GPS or anything. 415 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: And after those folks have been driving for a number 416 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: of years, the parts of their brain and believe, the 417 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: hippocampus and a couple of other spots, the part associated 418 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: with memory and spatial reasoning, is also physically larger. Your 419 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: thoughts shape the organ that well, your brain calls itself. 420 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: I guess it's the best way to put it. And 421 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: so with this in mind, you know, we have to wonder, 422 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: are we in the modern world, like how much does 423 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: the stigma of this sort of experimentation, how much good 424 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: does it actually do? Right as we record, the majority 425 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: of psychedelic substances that people would commonly associate with the 426 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: phrase psychedelic, they're illegal in the US. If you are 427 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: someone suffering from depression or PTSD, or maybe say you're 428 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: a veteran or you've survived some horrific experience or trauma, 429 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: and then you get busted by the police and you've 430 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: been doing LSD or magic mushrooms, you're in possession of 431 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: something like that, then odds are the authorities are not 432 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: going to say, hey, you know, I read a pretty 433 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: good article and sell earlier that said this might be 434 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: a great way to help you get you back on 435 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: the track to mental wellness. Apologies, sir, please enjoy your rave, 436 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: keep keep increasing the density of those dendrins. They won't 437 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: because it's a you know, like because in the eyes 438 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: of the law, you are committing a crime. And you know, 439 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: of course the legislation always lags behind the technology. But 440 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: I know, guys, we've got a lot of people in 441 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: the audience today who have probably had a similar experience, 442 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: and it's one that you know, maybe felt like it 443 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: was relegated to the realm of anecdote forever, but now 444 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: science is backing you up. If you have had an 445 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: experience like this, I think that's I think that's profound. Um. 446 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: I also don't think it's the same thing as saying, hey, everybody, 447 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: you're ever feeling a little bit down, go trip. That's 448 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: terrible advice seen in setting play a huge role in 449 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: this and the study I found is well worth the 450 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: read if you have the time. It is a little 451 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: bit dry because it's, you know, it is an academic journal, 452 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: but the revelations are fascinating and worthwhile. Notes of course 453 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: important caveat. This was done on mice, so there hasn't 454 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: been an experiment of this sort replicated on human beings 455 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: or other animals. But it would be interesting, especially you know, 456 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm just spitball in here, especially if we give it 457 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: to some octopuses, maybe some Corvid's see what happens. Like 458 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: the octopus certainly enjoyed doing M D M A. There 459 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: was there was an observation on that you heard about that, right, 460 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: I did not know? Did you hear about that one? No? No, 461 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: I haven't yet. God, Well, we'll keep it closer because 462 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna wrap. But I do want everybody 463 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: to check this out. This is a legit story to 464 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: you can find it and outlets like MPR and so on. 465 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: There was a study that gave octopuses ecstasy and ecstasy 466 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: and human beings is known for encouraging like cuddly warm 467 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: feelings and people feel extra lovey, dovey, etcetera, etcetera, everything 468 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: is going to be okay. Uh. They found that when 469 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you give this to an octopus, a creature that's almost 470 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: completely antisocial for most of its life except when it's mating. Uh, 471 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: what they found is that they do a one eighty. 472 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: They do an emotional and social emotional social one eighty. 473 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: They want to hang out with other octopuses. They even 474 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: like hug them, you know, just like they're both in 475 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: their hallucinogenic cups at a party. And this is profound 476 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: because up until this discovery, scientists who had to who 477 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: studied octopuses usually had to put them in separate, separate housing, right, 478 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: separate aquariums or whatever, so that they wouldn't kill or 479 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: eat each other. So they went from like a mad 480 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: Max Highlander, there can only be one cannibalism situation to 481 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, the colors right, and they 482 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: can communicate through chromatophores. So what happened when they play 483 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: the octopus is MGMT like, how did they react to that? Uh? 484 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: That that is an excellent question matter. I believe the 485 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: research is still out though it does appear. Don't quote 486 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: me on this, I'll dig into it, but there is 487 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: some I want to say. There was compelling research about 488 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: octopuses musical preference. I can't remember what that is. I 489 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: can't remember what that is, so I made from the 490 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: electric feel that's probably what it is. It probably is, 491 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: but I wanted to give like this is some good 492 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: news forward with the future. UH, scientists who are working 493 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: around the clock. We often doing thankless jobs, but they're 494 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: doing important work. Would love to hear your experiences with 495 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: psychedelic mushrooms. Does this news in particular surprise you? Were 496 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: you expecting experts to say that this stuff is literally 497 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: healing your brain on a physical level. Let us know 498 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: one three three std w y t K. 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UH. 505 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: The situation with John mccafy um, the impresario of anti 506 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: viral software that went on to become something of a 507 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: globe trotting you know, sex freak among gun totor Um, 508 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: just all around odd guy UM, very problematic, some very 509 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: troubling allegations about this gentleman in his life, One of 510 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: which that happened right before he allegedly committed suicide, was 511 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: that he was doing something called pump and dump UM 512 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: where he would take to social media and Twitter UM 513 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: and I think that was his platform of choice. And 514 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: UM attempts to inflate the value of certain crypto coins 515 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: that are referred to as alt coins, meaning that they're 516 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: not the mainstream big dogs of the crypto sphere, being 517 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: things like ether, Bitcoin, binance coin, some more kind of 518 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: tried and true coins that that have backing behind them, 519 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: not only in terms of the volume, but also in 520 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: terms of like the code behind them, the use of 521 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: them for purposes beyond just kind of having a clever 522 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: name and uh and a logo associated it with it, 523 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: and so now things all coins would be things like 524 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: dose coin that obviously did get some life when when 525 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: folks like Elon Musk kind of made it their pet Project. 526 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: That's the issue with crypto is that it is very 527 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: volatile and it can be very subject to the whims 528 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: of influencers. UM. So today we're talking about a new 529 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: scandal involving some e sports influencers a group that I've 530 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: never heard of, but I'm sure that you know either 531 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: listeners out there and possibly your kids will have heard 532 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: of an Los Angeles based e sports group or organization 533 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: called Phase Clan. UM. Essentially, it's like a group of 534 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: I think it's almost exclusively men. I only know a 535 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: handful of them, uh, the members who are involved in 536 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: today's story, but they you know, play things like Fortnite competitively, 537 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: and they all each individually are big YouTubers with you know, 538 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: millions of followers on Twitter and of course YouTube. Um. 539 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: Several members of FAY they all have names to like 540 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: sort of like how Wu Tang Clan members all have 541 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: like kind of names that are like sort of related. 542 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: Each of the members of the Phase Clan Uh, their 543 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: names begin with the word Phase and it's spelled f 544 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: A z um. So several members of Phase Clan. We've 545 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: got Phase k Uh, Phase Jarvis, Phase Nicon, and Phase 546 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: Tico t e q O are all allegedly involved in 547 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: a very egregious pumping up scam involving an all coin 548 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: with the name kids k I d S. And why 549 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: do you think that is? Well, supposedly, this coin, called 550 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: long Form Save the Kids UH is a charity coin 551 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: token rather, and this is not like the kind of 552 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: coin that you buy on like a regular crypto exchange. 553 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: This is what is called a DEFY project, which stands 554 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: for decentralized finance. So it's essentially these projects that DEFY 555 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: as I mean, for forgive me if I'm oversimplifying for 556 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: any crypto people out there, but DEFY is essentially a 557 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: way of creating investment opportunities and projects that you know, 558 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: have some of the same types of mechanisms as traditional 559 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: banking or you know, financial exchanges do, but it's completely 560 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: decentralized and peer to peer UM for the you to 561 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: my understanding, that's that's what it means. UM. There are 562 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: tons of them, and honestly, I've invested in a few 563 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: very small ones and actually had an experience where I 564 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: realized how scary and volatile these can be. But there 565 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: you have to be part of a something called UM. 566 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: It's a it's a very specific type of chain, uh 567 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: that uses um what's called web three point oh I believe. 568 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: Like so essentially it's a browser extension that allows you 569 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: to link a crypto wallet to these exchanges UM and 570 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: then you're able to you know, unlock various wallets and 571 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: various they're called pools where you take cryptocurrency. For example, 572 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: this one took place on what's called the binance smart chain, 573 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: which uses binance coin, which is one of those you know, 574 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of more tried and true ones. You can either 575 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: invest the coin, convert your binance coin to whatever token 576 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: is in question, like this one is called kids. There's 577 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: other ones any name you can imagine, like gunk probably 578 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: exists as as a defied token you can stake in 579 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: just like converted to that and then stake it in 580 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: these pools, or you can basically do what's called pairing, 581 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: or you pair your regular crypto to that token, and 582 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: then they're sort of linked together. So when one fails, 583 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: if like the token fails, you haven't lost everything. UM. 584 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: It's very interesting and and I'm very complicated, but also 585 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: uh rife for fraud because when you go to any 586 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: of these defied pages, there's a message that comes up 587 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: that says this couldn't be fake essentially, and this could 588 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: be absolute BS proceed with caution, So you really have 589 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: to know what you're putting your money into and who's 590 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: behind it, and what the code is and what the 591 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: use of it is, and even then you could lose everything. 592 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: So kids, this company or this organization which no one 593 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: still knows who exactly came up with this coin, but 594 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: this organization called UH save the Kids, which is about 595 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: the most cliche sounding you know, UM charity you could 596 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: possibly imagine. Everybody wants to save the kids. Everyone wants 597 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: the kids to be okay UM this token UH. There's 598 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: an advertising campaign behind it with all of these uh 599 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: these Phase clan people, you know, talking about how they 600 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: think it's a very valid um investments and it's something 601 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: that they all personally are going to hold onto our 602 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: hotel as the crypto people say. Um. But it turns 603 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: out that most of them got their advanced UM tokens, 604 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: which means they got it before the actual you know 605 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: it opened up too regular UM people that are investing 606 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: in it and dumped it. One in particular, one member 607 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: Phase K dumped almost a hundred percent of his like 608 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: million plus tokens twenty four hours after UM it was 609 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: available to to the public. And the research behind the 610 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: story UM that I looked into, or that I found 611 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: that I thought was the most fantastic and very very 612 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: very good internet sleuth thing was done by a YouTuber 613 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: that goes by the moniker coffee Zilla. I cannot recommend 614 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: highly enough to check out his report on this on 615 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, but he the thing that's interesting about 616 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: does you can trace, you know, wallets. It's all public information, 617 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: so he was able to literally track down the wallets 618 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: that all of these YouTubers used to buy and flip 619 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: these alt coins, and he was able to see a 620 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: pattern in particular with with Phase K that he um 621 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: promoted the hell out of this coin UH using hashtags, 622 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: using all the things UM, and then immediately when it 623 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: went live dumped it. All but four of these coins. 624 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: He dumped them. It's almost like keeping a memento of 625 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: your crime in a weird play UM. So that's essentially 626 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: where it stands. The most interesting part, I think in 627 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: the biggest smoking gun that coffee Zilla uncovered, because you 628 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: can also look at the providence or the chain of 629 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: custody on the the token itself that there's developers that 630 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: that make these things, that build these things their pieces 631 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: of code, and there are like beta versions and like 632 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: one point oh and two point over versions. So he 633 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: was able using the b SC scan, which is like 634 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: the the record for finance smart chain UM transactions, he 635 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: was able to trace the versions of this and as 636 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: sin initially, the people behind Save the Kids said, okay, 637 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: this is a total safe bed because there's it's it's 638 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: rug pull proof. Rug pulling is when someone who holds 639 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: an exorbitant amount of a particular token they're referred to 640 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: as whales, dumps all of their coins um, usually very 641 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: uh strategically to manipulate the price, you know, to their 642 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: own benefit. Or a handful of these whales collued in 643 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: order to do that um. And it's the kind of 644 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: thing that you know, as imperfect as it is the 645 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: SCC and you know, the regulators of the Stock Exchange 646 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: there are measures in place to keep that from happening. Um. 647 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: But the folks behind Save the Kid's Token initially said, 648 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: there this is an unrugged pullable. We have anti whale 649 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: mechanisms of place, which what which prevent anyone from selling 650 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: uh point five percent and one transaction of their holdings 651 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: right of this coin. UM. But it turns out that 652 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: the last minute, the developer changed that. Uh yeah, for 653 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, UM changed that to one minute, essentially 654 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: implying that they knew it was a scam in the 655 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: first place. UM. And again, coffee Zilla reached out to 656 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the members of this group and to 657 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: the actual guy that developed the token and got some 658 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: really fascinating, um, just really really excellent investigative journalism from 659 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: from this YouTuber. UM. And he got the guy to 660 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: admit that he was told to do that, which implies 661 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: that these influencers were kind of in on it from 662 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: the start. UM can't say that, you know, unequivocally, but 663 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: that's certainly what it feels like. UM yeah, and it's me. 664 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: It's essentially really highlighting how gross, uh, this kind of 665 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: influencer culture can be. UM, how rife for manipulation and 666 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: taking advantage of followers of of this of these you know, 667 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: influencers there can be and um, how maybe there is 668 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: need for a little more regulation. Again, I'm I'm fascinated 669 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: by the whole world of crypto and the fact that 670 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: it is kind of open ended, but this seems to 671 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: be a bridge too far, especially when charity is involved 672 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: and you're dangling this like you know, helping helping out 673 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 1: under privileged kids. Also the mission of the organization super vague, 674 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: so vague, like what okay, which organizations is this going to? 675 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: Which kids are you saving? It was very unclear. So well, 676 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting too because um, I think K Phase K, 677 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: who is the one on the most extreme end of 678 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: the spectrum. The WAH got kicked out of phase plan. Uh, 679 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: he really took pains to try to distance himself from 680 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: being associated with a pumpet dump scheme, like you know, 681 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: like you said at the top that McAfee had been 682 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: accused of. But this, this is tough for him to 683 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: walk back because, uh, you know, one of his defenses 684 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: is I love this space, my wallets, public, etcetera, etcetera. 685 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: But you can't that doesn't address the timeline, right, Like 686 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: the it goes public, the initial public offering happens, and 687 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: then within moments, uh, they've gotten rid of all but 688 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: four of these coins after after arguably purposefully inflating their value. Right, 689 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: So the question then becomes a little bit tougher to 690 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: prove is it intention you know what I mean. Are 691 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: we to believe that someone genuinely said, Hey, I'm just 692 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: learning about a really new space. I think it's complicated, 693 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: but I messed up and I didn't mean to screw 694 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: anyone over. Is it playing dumb? That's the question. Well 695 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 1: with him, what coffee Zilla uncovered, you know through again 696 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: tracing the Again, these transactions are all public, and he 697 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: figured out who's while it was who's Um the other 698 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: members of Phase Clan, their behavior was much less egregious 699 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: and and showed much less nefarious intent because in general, um, 700 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 1: this hapens a lot where like an alt coin will 701 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: pay like an influencer, say to pump up there to 702 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,479 Speaker 1: to promote this project. Um. So if you don't really 703 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: believe in it and you're just doing it to collect 704 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: the free tokens, make no mistake, they're getting these for 705 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: free initially as their payment. That's the only way they're 706 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: going to cash in as if they like, you know, 707 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: sell them right. Um And and these projects can can 708 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: turn on a dime, guys, like it's crazy. Again. I've 709 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: only done a couple, but I had one where you know, 710 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: it was trading it like a couple of bucks and 711 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: the next day because I was very new. But this 712 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: next day I looked at it and it was less 713 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: than a cent, you know, and thankfully I was not 714 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: in it much at all. But these these projects can 715 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: really go south, especially if there isn't that anti whale 716 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: protection and the fact that they advertised him as unrugged, pullable, 717 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: total anti whale you know, protections in place and then 718 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: literally changed it right before going public to one minute 719 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: time limit for selling not even a percentage apparently, you know, 720 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: based on Phase K's behavior, as much of it as 721 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: he wanted. Um. But some of the other members who 722 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: were not kicked out of Phase Clan, who were just 723 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: uh suspended, three of them, you can look at their history, 724 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: their transaction history, and they're much more likely to have 725 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: been holding some of these projects. So it seems that 726 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: in the past they were more in it because they 727 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: did believe in it, to your point, Ben, but it 728 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: seems like Phase ks patterns were much more. Overall, he's 729 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: in it for himself and he's in it to pump 730 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: and dump and a lot of these It needs to 731 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: be said that a lot of the members of Phase 732 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: Clan and in in a ton of the followers are 733 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: themselves quite young, you know what I mean. That's why 734 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: I said, your kids, you know, I mean, this is 735 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: a great this is something that I'm not in on really, 736 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: And I asked my kid if she'd heard of him, 737 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: so she hadn't either, and she's pretty into the twitch stuff. 738 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right then. And um, there's a great 739 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: article uh that these are a lot of these Uh. 740 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: These dudes, by the way, are British. Um. Phase K 741 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: absolutely is. And there's a really great article from e 742 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: sports news dot co dot uk that has a quote 743 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: from SEC chairman Gary Gensler UM, who obviously is a 744 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: proponent of regulating the crypto markets, and he said, of 745 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: this type of situation, uh quote, I would like to see, No, 746 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: we need tighter restrictions, penalties and disclaimers put in place 747 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: to better protect young, impressionable people out there that might 748 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: take their favorite influencers words as gospel and and there's 749 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: a larger there's a larger context here, I would argue, 750 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 1: which is that phase plan. You know, some people say 751 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: they reached their height of relevance during the call of 752 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: duty glory days And what I wish was more reported 753 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: in some of these stories, I realize it's an ongoing event, 754 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: and it's the oral borrows of social media chatter. Right, 755 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: it consumes its tail eventually. But the bigger point here, 756 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: at least in my opinion and may be wrong, is 757 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: that this is an example of something that many, many 758 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: other groups or influencers could easily do right. And some 759 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: people get a little bit of a blindness when they 760 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: see Um. I don't know why. I always thought the 761 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: badge thing was silly, but some people get a little 762 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: bit of blindness when they see someone they follow that 763 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: maybe has like a blue checkmark or what are the 764 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: authority uh the authentication things, and that person says, hey, 765 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: you're a fan of mine. I really like this. I 766 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: endorse that you know what I mean that people like 767 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: this doesn't have to be restricted to the world of 768 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: gaming plans. This could happen with someone who is a 769 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: makeup mayven. This could happen with someone who I don't 770 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: know what do what do people review? There's someone who 771 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: like just does chicken sandwiches and the chicken sandwich guys 772 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: like chicken coin right now? Do we have any cryptocurrencies 773 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: upcoming in the next couple of quarters, guys? Uh no, No, 774 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: we're not. To do that. Yeah, my favorite. You're right. Then, 775 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: By the way, anyone who has sufficient enough reach could 776 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: do this right. And that's why it's been looked at 777 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: so toughly at people like Elon Musk and you know 778 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: Mr McAfee, uh, because they've got they've got that reach, 779 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: interest and money and they just go, hey, check it 780 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: out and then they make a ton of money when 781 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: they us. Did you know Phase has an Atlanta clan 782 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: or a subclan, Yes, and they are badasses at Call 783 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: of duty. To tell me more about this this situation, like, 784 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: how many people are we talking? When I hear Phase 785 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: Clan again, I think of like a rap group and 786 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: there's like ten guys total. But this is a very 787 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: large organization subgroups kind of because okay, so the I 788 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: forgive me Phase Clan fellow people who out there, if 789 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: you're listening. But my understanding is that the Atlanta group 790 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: is only like three to five maybe four people, and 791 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: they specialize in Call of Duty, so they they live 792 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: and die call of duty all day long. They win 793 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: tournaments playing Call of Duty. There's oh gosh, I remember 794 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,280 Speaker 1: seeing something about them winning. They won something pretty recently. 795 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: I remember hearing about this but then there are others 796 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: that just play, um lord, I'm blanking all the other 797 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: things like FIFA. Some people the only play pub g 798 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: yeah or Fortnite or those kind of things. But then 799 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: you'll have smaller crews who just do that. Some people 800 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: are just content creators who are members of Phase plan 801 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: so influencers, not that the pro gamers aren't probably influencers 802 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: in their own right. Some people are are more the 803 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: video creators and that's what they specialize in. But hey, 804 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: if you're out there Atlanta, Phase, hit us up. I'd 805 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: love to chat with somebody about what that's like to 806 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: live your life right now being a pro gamer. I'm 807 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: just gonna say that if you if you know Sonya, 808 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: the Black Widow, Thomas or you know will be Ashi, 809 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: or if you listen to the show and you're one 810 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: of those people, or if you've just been Nates hot 811 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: Dog contests, Dude, Atlanta, Atlanta Phase eats Nubs like like 812 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:17,760 Speaker 1: Black Widow eats Nathan's minutes. The stats I was getting 813 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: this derailed. No, No, we're we're we're there, guys. I 814 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: mean they're just just to to sew it up Phase clan, 815 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,919 Speaker 1: you know, proper issue to statement. Um, we have made 816 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: the decision to remove K from Phase Clan and have 817 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: suspended Jarvis Nican an Tico until further notice. Phase Clan 818 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: has absolutely no involvement with our members activity in the 819 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: cryptocurrency space, and we strongly condemn their recent behavior. The 820 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: trust and respect of our fans has been and will 821 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: always be our number one priority. So, uh, there you go. 822 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: And just again just so you understand, fully, I think 823 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 1: we made this said this along the way, but I 824 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: mean this, this project, this token, it absolutely crumbled night. 825 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: Um it started off and and then this is like 826 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: very similar to to like does right, these are fractions 827 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: of are a couple of cents right per share? That's 828 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: why that's what we're talking about, dealing in volumes of millions. 829 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, Uh, 830 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 1: Phase K made around thirty grand American off of this deal. 831 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: Uh probably not worth all of the piece having to 832 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: eat now, UM, I would argue. And uh so it 833 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 1: started off at an all time high point zero zero 834 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: forty four on June tenth, and then after that sell off, 835 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: it absolutely tanked the token and went down to point 836 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: zero zero eleven. And at the time of this piece 837 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: in crypto Slate dot Com by Liam Frost. 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