1 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December the twenty ninth, 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: and a man in Oklahoma got himself a gun for Christmas. 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: It was a Christmas gift to himself, and he went 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: out on Christmas Day to test it out in his 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: backyard and he ends up accidentally killing his elderly neighbor. 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: This is a story Robes and maybe several people missed 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: over the weekend, but this happened on Christmas Day. It 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: has a lot of elements that are tragic, bizarre, wild 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: coincidences and heartbreaking. But your reaction, We're going to get 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: into all the details, but just the reaction to what 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about. A Christmas Day tragedy and a man 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: actually out and back trying to enjoy a Christmas gift. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: Yes, it's one of those freak accident that obviously is 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: incredibly tragic. And then when you hear where this woman was, 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: who was around her, it could have been even more 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: significantly tragic given who was sitting on that porch alongside 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: this woman. I mean, think about that they had just 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: opened their gifts. It was in the afternoon, probably it 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: had their Christmas meal, just enjoying the day on their porch, 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: never thinking for one moment that a bullet from what 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: a half a mile away could possibly erroneously and tragically 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: kill them one. 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: And we will get into but what you're alluding to 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: there is that there were not children just close by, 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: but quite frankly in the arms of the woman who 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: was shot. This is according to police. But this is 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: in Comanche, Oklahoma. Not that familiar ahead of time with it, 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: but about one hundred miles south southwest of Oklahoma City 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: is where this is happening. And on Christmas Day, three 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon, police get a call of a 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: woman who who was shot. And right now as we speak, 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: there's a man by the name of Cody Adams, thirty 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: three years old, who's been charged with first degree manslaughter. 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: Now, initially, Robe doesn't know. 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: She saw some of the early articles but they were 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: saying they only identified the woman as an elderly woman 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: who had been killed. They didn't say her name, but 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: now they have given us her name. I haven't seen 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: the age, but again the police are saying an elderly woman. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: Yes, her name is Sandra Phelps, and she was sitting 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: there on Christmas Day on the porch holding a child 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: in her left arm, and there was another child in 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: a stroller in front of her, and I believe there 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: were two other adults on the porch alongside her. And 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: she was shot in her right arm. And did you 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: understand this as well, babe, that it had actually moved 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: into her chest cavity at some point and she was 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: killed pretty quickly. They've tried to perform CPR on her, 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: but to no avail. 51 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: Died at the scene. 52 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: But yes, to that point, you hear when I first 53 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: was here, she got shot. 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: In the arm, I said, wow, well what happened? But yes, 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: that's the thing. 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: It moved so wasn't shot in the chest, but essentially 57 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: shot in the chest because it moved into her chest 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: and that's why she ended up Deading what just the 59 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: idea that just the chances of all of this, first 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: of all, that somebody it was maybe up to half 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: a mile away, the bullet ends up in that exact place, 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: doesn't go to the left or to the right a 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: little bit where two children were it that it's just, man, 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: if you ever believe in miracles or God or something 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: else going on, there are just some things that happened 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: in the world that you can't understand that type of 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: coincidence by a matter of inches. 68 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: And the trajectory of the bullet too. The police were 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: saying that it came at such a strange trajectory. I 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: don't know if that's how it moved, but they noted 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: there was some chipped piece of terra cotta that made 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: They were actually having to go back and trace to 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: figure out how the hell has happened. I'm just imagining 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: being on that porch because by the accounts of the 75 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: folks who were sitting next to her, she had kind 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: of made a joke somebody got a gun for Christmas 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: because they were hearing someone practicing shooting rounds, and then 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: they said moments later, all she said was ouch. 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Again, this is in the AffA David. This is not 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: some hearsay or some reporters talking to little No, they 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: say she actually made that comment. And several people commented 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: around that area that yes, they did hear folks shooting guns. Yes, properly, 83 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: people got guns for Christmas. Yes, When police were canvas 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: in the area, several homes were known as. 85 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: What they call them places that shoot. Yes, right, but 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: when you have a place that. 87 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Shoots in your backyard, here's the issue. You have to 88 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: have a proper backstop. You have to have something that 89 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: catches your stray bullets because you're gonna miss your target 90 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: a plenty. And this was the only home they said, 91 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: as they canvass the area that wasn't cleared as having 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: a proper backstop, and just so happened this was the 93 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: house that they were looking for. 94 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: You know, this is scary because I didn't even know. 95 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: I am not familiar at all with guns, but having 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: had a home in a row, you would hear gunshots 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: all the time. But I, you know, it always was 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: a little scary, especially I like to hike and it's wooded, 99 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: and you just think, I don't know where these people 100 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: are shooting. I don't know if they have all the 101 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: safety precautions in place. It is a frightening thing. And 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: anyone who lives outside of a city almost certainly knows 103 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: exactly what we're talking about. We I would hear it daily, 104 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: and I just you have to hope that the people 105 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: around you who are practicing are doing it safely because 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: this type of thing, obviously it's rare, but to hear 107 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: it happen the way it happened, that is that would 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: definitely give me pause. Now you kind of almost want 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: to check out, how do you know what your neighbors 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: have in place and what they don't and. 111 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Who regulates that. I don't know if someone if you're 112 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: required to. I know, Iody's coming by your house to 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: check and maybe you don't. You don't get in trouble 114 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: until after the fact, until after a tragedy possibly happens. 115 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: But this they go to this guy's house and they 116 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: get to his house because several people in the neighborhood 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: apparently told him and. 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: Everybody was aware. He got a new gun. 119 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Christmas for Christmas and it had been shooting it in 120 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: days prior. According to them, he actually got the gun 121 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: for himself, bought it as a Christmas gift to himself, 122 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: and in a couple of days prior to Christmas, he 123 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: had been out so they had heard him firing. But 124 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: then happened, This happens on Christmas Day. Now police went 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: and this was also another interesting nugget here at Robes. 126 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: They go to his house, They go out to the backyard. 127 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: They say he had been shooting in a red bull can. 128 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: They see the spent casings. But they're standing where he 129 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: would have been standing to fire his gun and where 130 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: he said And they have a direct line of sight, 131 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: wow to emergency vehicles and emergency sirens, and they hear 132 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: and see the police vehicles that are at the scene 133 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: where the woman was dead. It was a direct line 134 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: to where that home was. Again, another chilling moment. I'm 135 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: sure he never thought that maybe this could happen, But man, 136 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: some of the numbers they give you out there for 137 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: how far bullets can travel free, that is what's scary. 138 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: And you also think about the fact, I don't know 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: if he was a gun owner to begin with, or 140 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: if this was his first gun, but look, at some 141 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: point it's someone's first gun. So they're learning as they go. 142 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: They're practicing, that's what they're doing. But do they know 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: all the safety measures that have to be in place? 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: Do they know about backstops? Do they recognize how far 145 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: bullets can travel? You know, I was looking in one 146 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: of these articles. There was a link to just how 147 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: many accidental gun deaths there are here in the United 148 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: States each year, and I guess the most recent numbers 149 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: are twenty twenty three. But it was four hundred and 150 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: sixty plus accidental deaths in one year from folks who 151 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: are just mishandling guns, misfiring guns, and that is just 152 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: a damn shame. That is a huge number. 153 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: And now we add this woman to the tragedy. He 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: is now facing up to four years minimum four year 155 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: minimum in prison for this. And he was cooperative, according 156 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to the affidavit. And they said Robes, as soon as 157 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: they explained to him what had happened and that they 158 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: thought he might have been responsible for this woman's death, 159 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: there was I think Robes and what they describe a 160 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: genuine human reaction to a guy who just had no 161 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: idea that he was endangering somebody else. 162 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he cried, He cried, and I think most human 163 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: beings would have done the exact same thing. And what 164 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 2: he said was, I'm sorry. I cannot even imagine dealing 165 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: with that or having to go through that or hear 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: that you had caused us a tragedy like that while 167 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: you were just out back shooting at a red bullcan 168 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: practicing with your new gun. That had to be one 169 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: of the most horrific things to be told on Christmas Day. 170 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: We don't know, at least from the affidate of the 171 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: ages of the children. I was curious to know, but 172 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: they did say one was in a stroller, and again 173 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: there was an elderly woman holding another child. You can 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: imagine it's a small child. Don't know how the family 175 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: is doing, don't know how the kids are doing. But 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: they had to watch this woman their loved one. Again, 177 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: they didn't realize what happened, And I thought it was 178 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: interesting that they said she simply said ouch. She said 179 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: ouch and then collapsed, as if it wasn't necessarily a 180 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: chaotic scene or maybe a bloody or some kind of explosion. 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: She got hits that ouch and just collapsed is how 182 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: it's described. 183 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: Wow, I know you. Oh, I mean look, I think 184 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people wonder what it would feel like, 185 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: what it would be like, and just to know that 186 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: it was that quick, I think that was the takeaway 187 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: from all accounts that at least it didn't sound as 188 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: though she suffered. It didn't sound as if it was 189 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: some horrific death. It sounded like it was quick. And 190 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: they did rush to her, try to perform CPR on her, 191 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: and unfortunately, as she died on the scene, she didn't 192 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: even get a chance to get to taken to the 193 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: hospital and one bullet, one bullet just at her at 194 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: the wrong place, at the wrong time. 195 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: Well, folks, sure, wrong place, wrong time, Sure awful coincidence. 196 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: But we will let you hear exactly how the government 197 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: describes this man's actions and will give you our thoughts 198 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: about this man now, who made a mistake, who made 199 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: a tragic and now deadly mistake. But does that really 200 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: lessen the impact and the responsibility he should hold for 201 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: what has happened? 202 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: Stay here, all. 203 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: Right, folks, we continue here on AB and TJ, on 204 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: this Monday morning, a Monday morning after a weekend, at 205 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: Christmas weekend, a lot of people enjoying time with the family. 206 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: Hopefully you had. 207 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Hopefully you had a successful and fun and safe one, 208 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: but a tragedy in Oklahoma as a thirty three year 209 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: old man, Cody Adams has been charged with first degree 210 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: manslaughter for what, by all accounts was the accidental shooting 211 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: death of Sandra Phelps, who police describe as an elderly 212 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: woman who was hanging out at her home at a 213 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: home with her family holding a child at the time, 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: and Cody Adams was doing some target practice in his 215 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: backyard with his New Christmas Glock forty five when she 216 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: was shot. Now ROSI described here and look we by 217 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: all accounts, yes, he said he's sorry. Yes he cried, 218 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: and he immediately was upset. But this is how the 219 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: government put it in the AFT for David. They say 220 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: he created a situation of unreasonable risk and probability of 221 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: death or great bodily harm to another person and demonstrated 222 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: a conscious disregard for the safety of others. That has 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: to be that's given. I mean, that's just true. I 224 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: mean it is no matter what you think. This is 225 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: one I think about drunk driving deaths. Nobody drinks and 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: drives and is trying to kill anybody, but there is 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: a there's a reckless disregard for other people. This has 228 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: to be in that same type of vein, even though 229 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: it's an awful tragy. 230 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just looked up because they did decide to 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: charge Cody with first degree manslaughter, they could have done secondary. 232 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: I was looking at the difference between the two, and 233 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think, because first degree manslaughter occurs 234 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: when someone intends to injure someone severely instead of solely 235 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: hurting them, the injuries cause death. Okay, that's first degree. 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: Second degree manslaughter occurs when someone is acting recklessly and 237 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: aware of their potentially fatal actions. Instead of stopping, they 238 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: continue with their reckless acts, which leads to another person's death. 239 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: It sounds I mean, I again am not anyone with 240 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: any sort of legal training, but it sure sounds like 241 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: what happened, or at least what's been described as having happened, 242 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: sounds a lot more like second degree manslaughter than first 243 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: degree manslaughter. 244 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: Look, they those prosecutors, let them do their thing. They 245 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: know what they're doing and why. 246 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: And I won't ever pretend to understand that's out of 247 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma statute. I assume they might be different in different states. 248 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: But that's you say, that's what they say it is. 249 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: But I just I don't know how if you're in 250 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: your backyard yard firing a gun, you can't just say that, well, 251 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: nothing's close enough, so I should have had a reasonable 252 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: belief that I was doing something safe. 253 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: It just doesn't work that way. 254 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, A half a mile, I mean again, I just 255 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: try to think about that visually. As a runner, I 256 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: know how long it takes to run half a mile. 257 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: Takes me about four and a half minutes to run 258 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: half a mile, So that's the distance this bullet traveled 259 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: before it hit this elderly woman holding an infant in 260 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: her arms. 261 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: So I don't know how to And I saw it 262 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: and it was tragic, and I obviously you feel bad 263 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: immediately with their victims, but there are also two families 264 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: who are now going to be devastated in a way 265 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: and changed forever. And I don't know how to feel. 266 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes it almost feels terrible to have sympathy for him, 267 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He didn't mean to do this, 268 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: but he did something wrong that resulted in somebody's death, 269 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't know how we handle, how we deal it, 270 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: just the emotions. I think a lot of people would 271 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: look and immediately go, you monster, you idiot, you reckless 272 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: fool out there firing off a gun. Yeah, I guess 273 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: all that's true. But man, there's just something about these 274 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: types of story. It just you almost feel torn, and 275 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: it's difficult to just disregard the guy. And I don't know, 276 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: it seems weird to have some type of sympathy, but 277 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to express. 278 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: In a story like this. 279 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I think everyone feels it, babe. I think you 280 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: expressed it perfectly, because that is it can be true 281 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: that there can be there can be sympathy for both 282 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: sides in this one, because there wasn't an intention to 283 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: do harm, but there was a recklessness that caused it, 284 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: and so yes, there has to be accountability. There has 285 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: to be some sort of punishment. I think that Look, 286 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: if that were your mother, if that were your grandmother, 287 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: you would feel very passionately about it. We can have 288 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: a little bit more of a distance from it emotionally 289 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: and look at it from the facts and say, man, 290 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: this poor stupid guy who did a dumb thing is 291 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: now going to pay for it, not just with his 292 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: loss of freedom and having to go to prison, but 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: also just living with that guilt for the rest of 294 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: his life. That's not nothing. 295 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: And you know what, those kids. 296 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: Are going to live with something for the rest of 297 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: their lives. Those other adults who are on that porch 298 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: are going to live with something watching their loved one 299 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: die on Christmas Day and not being able to do 300 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: anything about it and actually, quite frankly, not even understanding 301 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: what was happening in the moment. This is just an 302 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: awful story. And you know, all the times roads to 303 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: try to find some lesson or some I don't have 304 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: it yet on this one, or a nice some kind 305 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: of a takeaway, but my god, just please folks, keep 306 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: folks and your loved ones close and just be a 307 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: little kind, a little grace because people went through some 308 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: hell on the holidays. 309 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: That was my takeaway. Actually, when I was reading the 310 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: story and we were researching it, I just thought about 311 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: the fact that we have our three girls sleeping here 312 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: with us right now, and I just felt so grateful 313 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: knowing that, Look, we don't have security in this world, 314 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: in this life, and so what we have is right 315 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: now and it is a reminder to hug the people 316 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: we love. That is my takeaway. 317 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, wherever you may be today, please 318 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: please hope you have a happy and safe one. Know 319 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there are still making their 320 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: way back from the holidays as well. 321 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: Please be careful. 322 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: A lot of weather going to be in your way, 323 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: but we always appreciate you spending some time with us 324 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: here on Amy and TJ. I am TJ. Holmes On 325 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: behalf of my dear Amy Robach. We will talk to 326 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: you all