1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. This is one of our 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: favorite times of the week where we bring the best 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: part of the show to you. That's the takes, the opinions, 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: the thoughts, the concerns of your fellow conspiracy realists. Peek 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: behind the curtain. We did a double header today. We 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: are trying to more frequently record uh these in sort 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: of like a two pack not not related to music 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: like t w Q pack. But also it is technically Tuesday. 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: It was February two two as we recorded this. Uh 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, anyway, it's a nerd joke, but we hit 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: the portal just so everyone knows. The portal did open 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: too today, So just be aware of that, yes, do 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: be do be aware of that and this week's segment, 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: um is really excited at least uh my end, guys, 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: because we're gonna explore some elite clubs that are not secret, 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: but I would argue our our de facto are in 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: practice secret. We're gonna talk about one of my favorite 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: old stories, uh that run into every time with jfk Uh. 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: And then we're also going to hear a really interesting 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: story from our pal Honey Badger. And I'm not sure 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: where this part of the conversation is going to go, 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: but it is a follow up to the very interesting 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: tale we heard about military hardware being stored in abandoned walmarts. 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: And you're like this, there's also a little there's a 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: hint of Disney, so I hope are strange news earlier 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: this week was met with acclaim or approval rather than approbrium, 35 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: So here we go. Honey Badger says, this is Honey Badger. 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: This email is a response to our listener mail episode 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: in regards to walmarts being used for military storage. Feel 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: free to let Dad Joke sixty nine know about this 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: so he'll know why there are black hawks being stored 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: in walmarts. It's true, Dad, Dad Joke sixty nine is 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: a longtime listener, a good friend of the show very recently. Again, 42 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I think it good enough. Wrapper could just do a 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Cadence rhyme of black Hawks and Walmarts, you know, like, 44 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, nice Emily Dickinson slant rhyme there. Yeah, it's 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: a good call. No So, Honey Badger says, I was 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: stationed at a black site prison in Bagram, Afghanistan. I 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: was there two thousand one to two thousand two. The 48 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: prison I worked at is no longer a secret after 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Biden's glorious departure from that region. The prison has now 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: been taken back by the off Ghan people. Unclear if 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: that glorious departure is sarcastic just the note, because we're 52 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: getting this via text. While I was there, there was 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: an inmate there named six to six. That was his number. 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know his name. Turns out his son had 55 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: turned him in for shipping unknown experimental explosive materials and 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: shipping containers from Pakistan to the US. He wasn't a 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: pleasure to have in the facility, says Honey Badger. He 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: always yelled about how he was an American and how 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: Richie was blah, blah blah blah blah, No I gave. 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting was the conversation between the 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: higher up officers I happened to overhear. This guy would 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: ship fabric to the US, and the fabric would be 63 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: sown by his companies in the US places that furnished 64 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: the names like Martha Stewart, Olsen, Twins Clothing Line, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 65 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: When this material was found, it was also found that Walmart, Kmart, 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: J C. Penney's, Sears and Toys r US were writing 67 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: off the weights on the shipping containers, which one of 68 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: these companies is still flourishing to this day, Walmart. Now 69 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: let's pause here because we need to just to unpack 70 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: what Honey Badger is telling us. He's saying that that 71 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: there was a guy who was turned in by his 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 1: own son for shipping explosives from Pakistan to the US. 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing counter intelligence really wants to 74 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: know about, you know what I mean. And this dude 75 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: apparently had a lot of corporate connects. And we know 76 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: the story of sweatshops and weird obsuccation of brands ultimate 77 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: like producers all the time, right, Uh, we we know 78 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of like look at Luxotica right. Uh. 79 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: In this case, what honey Badger is asking is how 80 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: come these companies that we're receiving this stuff, how come 81 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: they weren't checking on the weight? Because you can predict, 82 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you can measurably and routinely predict how much a container 83 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: of the same fabric every time is going to weigh. 84 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: So something might have been off unless somebody who's writing 85 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: it off or wasn't doing their job. That's the idea. 86 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: Reminds me of the Great Train Heist and Breaking Bad 87 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: and the whole emphasis is on making the train weigh 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: the same when it gets checked. So that is a 89 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: real thing. That is a real thing. Uh. Then Honey 90 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Badger continues and says, then there was a scratch our 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: back and will scratch yours deal made where Walmart wouldn't 92 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: get shut down if the military could use a few 93 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: of their places for storage. Now, it made look like 94 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: on legal paper why these other places went bankrupt or whatever, 95 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: But trust me, says Honey Badger, it's not the reason. 96 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: Walmart did this to save their asses, and it worked. 97 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: So the place where everyone spends their hard earned paychecks 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: was once in on some diabolical scheme against the US. 99 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: I knew about the whole Walmart story and equipment story 100 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: since the end of two thousand one, and when I 101 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: saw the whole conspiracy evolved, I was just like, ah, 102 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I know why, great? Huh kind of great, Honey Badger 103 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: if true, and Honey Badger says, want to hear it, 104 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Just last week, a friend 105 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: of mine inform me that after I told him this 106 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: story that not only is Disney one of Walmart's biggest customers, 107 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: but in two thousand two, Lilo and Stitch came out. 108 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: Stitches name was Experiment six to six. Was Disney trying 109 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: to tell us something? What are the chances of that 110 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: to use Easter eggs all the time? But one that 111 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: goes this deep? Maybe who knows? Anyway, great show guys, 112 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: big fan, uh, Honey Badger. So the connection there is 113 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: that the inmate was known as six to six and 114 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: Stitch was Experiment sixties six. That that's fascinating, but I 115 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: think it's also I don't know, we need more to 116 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: have some kind of confirmation there. But what do you 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: guys think about the idea of a backroom deal of 118 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: this sort between Walmart and Uncle Sam, like Walmart got 119 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: caught do it shipping what terrorists? Well, okay, so let's 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: let's go Yeah, let's let's go back to the original 121 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: message that we got way back in the day from 122 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Dad Joke. It was just it was a message that 123 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: it was a building not necessarily a Walmart. It was 124 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: a large building that was no longer an existing superstore 125 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: like a Kmart or Walmart one of those, and it 126 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: was being rented out by the people that own the 127 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: property too. I believe it was the Coastguard, maybe in 128 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: the National Guard, but the military area. They were just 129 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: renting it out to them so they could store their 130 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: equipment there. It wasn't as though Walmart the company signed 131 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: a deal with, you know, the Coast Guard to store 132 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: their black Hawk helicopters, at least that's my understanding. So 133 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a you know, not to poke 134 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: holes in Honey Badger's story, but it does feel like 135 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: there's not a bigger conspiracy there necessarily. Right. It's fun 136 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: to explore though, because it also gives us an opportunity 137 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: to talk about the importance of drilling down into the 138 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: logistics of these things. So a lot of these large 139 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: entities subcontracts. They don't own the they don't necessarily own 140 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the shipping containers, or they don't necessarily own a cargo ship. 141 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: What they do is they own a an agreement with 142 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: with one of these pieces, one of these links in 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: the supply chain and company. The size of Walmart by 144 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: any given metric has tremendous ability to dictate the terms 145 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: of those deals. But but the reason I'm talking about 146 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: this about the size and the panopoly of different entities 147 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: that may be evolved in the supply chain, is that 148 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: it is possible that Walmart no Like did not have 149 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: any clue, right even if even if something uh sketchy 150 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: was on one of their ships or on a container 151 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: that was marked you know, this is destined for walmartin 152 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: um uh two below falls West Dakota, which is not 153 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: a real place unless that game control is real, which 154 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: I hope uh. Anyhow, the uh the idea then is 155 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: that it becomes the concept of watching every falling sparrow, 156 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: or it becomes the concept of a whale not being 157 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: explicitly aware of every single little piece of algae, or 158 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, whatever smaller thing you want to imagine. A 159 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: dietm even. But someone somehow law enforcement found these claims 160 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: credible and they and they locked this guy up. At 161 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: this time, Afghanistan very dangerous place. Pokistan ann hotbed for 162 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: fomenting terrorist acts, you know, or fomenting terrorist operations, I 163 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: should say, so they're like that part of the story. 164 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: It seems to me that there could be sand because 165 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: that happens pretty often. It happens more often than is reported, 166 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: and like your local CBS news or whatever. But the 167 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: idea that Uncle Sam would find out about something like 168 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: this and then find out about Walmart's involvement and then say, hey, 169 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: we've got you by the Jimmy's. I don't know if 170 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: it's a real term. Absolutely it is. You know they 171 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: call a condom in the UK. Uh, well, well they 172 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: call it a johnny Actually what they ever heard rappers something? 173 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: They call it a jimmy hat. Oh yeah, okay, well 174 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: they've got you by the condoms. Um. But but the 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: idea is like that idea is is interesting, but I 176 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: think we would need a little more, um, explicit info there. 177 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: But still, yeah, it is. It is true. There there 178 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: is a lot of military hardware out there in the 179 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: US it's put in all sorts of places, um, and 180 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: there are reasons for that, right, as later conspiracy realists 181 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: pointed out. You know, it's not as if you can 182 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,359 Speaker 1: kick in the door of an abandoned Walmart holding Blackhawks 183 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: and then just like push one out the door and 184 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: then fly it off as as like cool and grand 185 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: theft autos that would be. The reality is that those 186 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: things are purposely like decommissioned or uh. Components are purposely uh, 187 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: not removed necessarily, but they're they're like purposely disassembled to 188 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: a degree, partially to maybe fit them in there, and 189 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: then partially uh because they don't want the local yokel 190 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: crew to pop in and would be the next Florida Man. Right, 191 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Florida Man steals Blackhop helicopter along with Gator sidekick. That's unfair. 192 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: Check out our episode on why That's unfair. We figured 193 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: out the mystery of Florida Man, and it is depressing 194 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: h and sad. But this this brings us, they think, 195 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: also to a larger conversation. Like most most folks don't 196 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: like to think about those black sites, prisons and honey Badger. 197 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: You brought this up as a fact, which I greatly 198 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: appreciate because for a long time they were not treated 199 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: as fact by the very same government that was creating them. 200 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: And when we ask ourselves why people don't trust large 201 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: government entities, it's because their track record is terrible over time, 202 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: their track record of being transparent with the public is terrible. 203 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: And it's something that we dive deeper than ever before into. 204 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: It's something that we can tell you about, hopefully very soon. 205 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: But trust us when we say that we we already 206 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: were pretty convinced and now we walked away absolutely convinced. 207 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: You should always question this government, any government. Just do 208 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: some digging as soon as you have time, you know, 209 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: because everything is being told to you through a series 210 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: of filters. And that's not like governments have to do 211 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. Secrecy is is part of it. 212 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: It would be like having a pizza without cheese to 213 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: not have secrecy. It's it's part of you know, what 214 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: makes a pizza. Ben I keep going back to the 215 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: quotations that that Honey Badger used with the term experimental 216 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: explosives on known experimental explosives. Yeah, like, what the heck 217 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: could that be? And do you think it melts steel beams? 218 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just oh boy, 219 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: we'll have We're fun at parties is what it is. Um. 220 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: So with that one pause, I wanted to first off, 221 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: it's always thank everybody who's reached out to the show 222 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: has reached out to me, and I want to keep 223 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: the door open to hear your thoughts, especially if you 224 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: have experience with this, if you have something that could, 225 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: uh maybe even provide some corroboration for Honey Badger's concepts here. Uh, 226 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: you can find me at all the personal social media's. 227 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: You can write to the show directly Conspiracy diheart radio 228 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also call us at one eight 229 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: three three st d w y t k uh and 230 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: I would like to give a particular shout out for 231 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: you close out this part of the show to Dwayne 232 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: who wrote in with a wonderful idea about acquired savalet syndrome, 233 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: which is very real. Thanks so much. We're gonna take 234 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: a pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll 235 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: return with more letters from you. And we're back with 236 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: another piece of correspondence from from you. That's right, you, 237 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: specifically you. Uh. This one comes from code name Noel Green, 238 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: a man after my own heart. Uh as in Grassy 239 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: and Noel, and he knows that Noel is spelled with 240 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: a K. But I wanted to go for a little 241 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: bit of mystery. I probably shouldn't have spoiled it. Should 242 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: have left it as an Easter day for you all 243 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: to figure out. It's gonna become obvious after the story 244 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: that that, he writes us in this email. Um, he writes, loves. 245 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite. So it's very good. It's 246 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: a good one, and um, here we go, he writes us, 247 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: Lee for the uninitiated. On the day JFK was killed, 248 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: three men later dubbed the Three Tramps, were stid in 249 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: the train yard behind the infamous Grassy Knoll at Deely Plaza, 250 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: having been spotted climbing into a train car before it 251 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: pulled away. They were photographed being hauled in by Dallas police, 252 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: but mysteriously no record was kept of who the men were, 253 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: and they were released soon after their arrests. Numerous conspiracy 254 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: theorists have been convinced two of these tramps were none 255 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: other than Charles Harrelson and E. Howard Hunt of Watergate fame. 256 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Now this is me. You may recognize the last name Harrelson. 257 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Charles Harrelson is in fact Woody Harrelson's father, the well 258 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: known actor of Natural Born Killers and other fantastic roles 259 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: that that you might know Woody from really really great 260 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: dude uh and and big outspoken marijuana advocate bongo enthusiast 261 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: or that that's Matthew McConaughey. I think I think they 262 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: probably both like to play the bongos. But pretty sure 263 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: both of those dudes have done multiple interviews for High 264 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Times magazine. Also fond of very brightly colored like print 265 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: shirts um you you You'll notice, and a recent cameo 266 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: pearer in UM Curb Your Enthusiasm as a super heightened 267 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: version of himself who wants to meet Larry's cow Um 268 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: and hilarity ensues. Anyway, back to the letter UM. Charles 269 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: always maintained his innocence and alibi, claiming he wasn't anywhere 270 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: near Dallas that day. Okay, maybe not always. During a 271 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: standoff with police following the assassination of the judge, he 272 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: yelled out that he killed Kennedy, but later recanted the statement, 273 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: saying he was high on cocaine and also thought the 274 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: claim might help keep him alive through the standoff that 275 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: is in fact true. There is a fabulous article in 276 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: the Telegraph um about just that. The article is called 277 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: natural Born Killer, The Violent Life of Woody Harrelson's hit 278 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: man Father by Tom Forty. Um. This story is also 279 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: the subject of a really really great podcast UM from 280 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: journalist Jason kavan On that that you can find. It 281 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: is called On of a hit Man. In the article, 282 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: it talks about this this exact standoff with the police 283 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: where he like apparently got so high from intravenously injecting cocaine. Um, 284 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: he got out of his car, uh and was like 285 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: super in some kind of like rage hulk mode and 286 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: like started just shooting his car, you know, with a shotgun. Um, 287 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why. And then when the police came, 288 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: he did shout out that he had killed John F. Kennedy. Um. Anyway, 289 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: back to the letter, Okay, nothing new in there, but 290 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: that's just the backstory to this tidbit. Naturally, here's where 291 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. He says, after Charles passed away, Woody 292 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: told my friend the following that his dad told him. 293 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: While he indeed had nothing to do with Kennedy's assassination, 294 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: per se he Charles had been trained by the CIA 295 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: to be an assassin, and that he actually was in 296 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Dallas on November twenty nineteen. Not only that, but that 297 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: he had been instructed to be in the area behind 298 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: the Grassy Knoll. He was expecting to get further instructions, 299 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: but none ever came. Here's where it gets even crazier still, 300 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: he says. He said, in addition to himself, numerous other 301 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: CIA assassins he recognized were there, and none of them 302 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: knew why either, like none knew who the other was 303 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: receiving orders from, or maybe he didn't even know who 304 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: they were. I'm sure a lot of these people were 305 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: kept isolated from one another. Wouldn't really make sense for 306 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: them to be like buddies, um, they would want plausible 307 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: deniability and then so that one person could knock on 308 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: the other one right. Uh, let's see, he may have 309 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: made it up. Charles may have lied to him, perhaps 310 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: to impress his famous son, hoping to compensate for his 311 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: years behind bars with a claim to having served his 312 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: country in a glamorous James Bond like fashion. I just 313 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, I'll leave it at that for now. 314 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: I have a number of other items on my agenda 315 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: to cover for you guys, including a theory on the 316 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: flaming objects cited by the guy in boot Camp before 317 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: Y two K. But uh, for now, I'll bid Adio 318 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: thanks again for a great show. I learned something they 319 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: wish I wouldn't know every time I tune in your 320 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: is in Mystery Noel Green, Um, this is so great. 321 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: It really touches on a lot of things that are 322 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: in fact out there, including an interview with Harrelson himself, 323 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: the the elder Haroldson and a quote, uh from the 324 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: the younger Harreldson in that um Telegraph dot co dot 325 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: uk article. He had this to say to the journalist 326 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: or actually I think it was a piece of tape 327 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: that they got. Um. I don't know that he directly 328 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: interviewed him, but um, he would he himself had something 329 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: super interesting to say. This is from the article. Uh 330 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Wody Harrelson said, I think that it was in the 331 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: trial that was mentioned for the murder of this judge. Um, 332 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: I think it was not a fair trial. I'm not 333 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: going to say my father is the same, but I 334 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: think he's an innocent of that of this killing. What 335 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: he had also said he believed his father was a 336 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: secret CIA operative. Um, he says, I shouldn't get into 337 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: this right now. This is where we're going to get 338 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: into trouble. I know it's true. Um. And then you know, 339 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: we found this, uh this this clip on YouTube, very 340 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: nondescript clip. Um, and I'm gonna share a little bit 341 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: of it with you guys right now, and then then 342 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: we'll hear from uh the elder Harrelson's own mouth. Well 343 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: here before we play this, just quickly, that's okay. Sure, 344 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: do you guys think if somebody like Woody Harrelson, who 345 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: has you know, such fame, he's he's known the world over, 346 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: do you think if his father actually was involved with 347 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: the CIA, that some other retired agent would at some 348 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: point divulge that to him. I mean, deathbed confessions are weird. 349 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm very well acquainted with his story, with all with 350 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: the angles of the way it's been reported, and you 351 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: guys know why. So I'd like to thank you Noel 352 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: Green for writing this out. This is a piece of 353 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy lore, but the issue is one of idology or conflicts. 354 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: So deathbed confessions are very much a real thing. But 355 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: also people locked away in prison lying in hopes of 356 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: some betterment. That could also be a real thing. I'm 357 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: not I maybe met Woody Harrelson once. It was a 358 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: really weird time and we didn't talk about this, but 359 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: uh huh, well it was him or a guy who 360 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: looked exactly like him. I'm not going to tell the 361 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: circumstances of the story on on this show, but it was. 362 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: It was in a parking lot behind the local and 363 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: I'm pretty convinced it was true. But cool dude, at 364 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: least from that conversation. Also, you know, you have to 365 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: ask people's motivations for saying these things. Um, if the 366 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: c I A story is true, which hasn't been confirmed 367 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: asn't improven, but the idea of multiple people not knowing 368 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: who was whom, but recognizing each other as maybe mutual 369 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: fans of their work, um, that could be possible. But 370 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: if it were possible, it would remind me of the 371 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: old practice of uh, in the days of firing squads. 372 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: If you ever been around of firing squad, one of 373 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: the really common things that we do all the time 374 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: in the early days was to have one gun loaded 375 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: and the other you know, four is six or whatever. However, 376 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: many people were there. The other like four or whatever 377 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: would be would not be firing live round seef be 378 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: firing blanks so that you could live without thinking that 379 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: you had murdered someone in cold blood. Interesting anyways, never 380 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: thought about just that perspective to the benefit of the 381 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: the executioners not knowing which is the one who actually 382 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: dealt the killing blow. Canna play this clip real quick. 383 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting to hear from him, and 384 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: then maybe we can discuss a little further because he references, 385 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: He references all of these things and then kind of 386 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: waffles a little bit in a very interesting way. No, 387 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: I did not kill John Kennedy. That is a photograph 388 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: of one of three so called triumps who were apprehended 389 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: and then mysteriously disappeared on the day of the Kennedy assassination. 390 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: And the fellow was I'm told at one time positively 391 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: positively identified as myself, which is ludicrous if you look 392 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: at the man. I was twenty five the day Kennedy 393 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: was assassinated, and I would say that gentleman is probably 394 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: in his mid the late thirties at the very least. 395 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: But the facial structures um isn't even close. Man, that's amazing, isn't. 396 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: That is closer, much closer. But here again the person 397 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: is probably in his thirties, and the brower ridge isn't 398 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: isn't the same here, but it is. It does look 399 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: very It looks a lot more like me. I would 400 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: say this view than does the other. But no, I 401 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: don't know the gentleman, and I never did know. Everyone 402 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: who was involved in that thing has been eliminated. Had 403 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: I been involved in it, I would have been killed. 404 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Had I been approached to be involved in it, I 405 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: would have laughed, because it's obviously a case of emilation. 406 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: You're going to destroy yourself by doing something like that, 407 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: because the agency involved and carrying out this assassination cannot 408 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: have someone with firsthand information regarding the assassination. No way 409 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: the country would destruct if that came forth. I mean, 410 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: he's he's he's right, you know. I love the way 411 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: he's puzzles over this, and then kind of was like, oh, 412 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: it does kind of look like me. But I never 413 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: would have agreed to do something like that unless he 414 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: was already under the protection of the CIA, unless he 415 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: was already an asset of the CIA, as were maybe 416 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: those other tramps. This section is not necessarily a long 417 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: term investment strategy million percent. Of course. You know, you're 418 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: you're made to feel as though you have the protection. 419 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: Then you become a lie of ability, and then to 420 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: his point, you you get eliminated. But I mean, I 421 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: don't know, but this, yeah, I could reach you in prison, 422 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: of course they could. I do think this is one 423 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: of the more convincing conspiracies around the jfk assassination. And uh, 424 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: I know Woody Harrelson. You know, he's got a reputation 425 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: as being a bit of a bit of a kuk 426 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: uh maybe you know, hitting the wacky tobacco a little 427 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: too hard. But he also, you know, he's an interesting guy. 428 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: And then he obviously believes this story about his father 429 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: being there. If you're listening, Yeah, seriously, I'm mainly referring 430 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: to maybe sort of the reputation he has in public. 431 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's even something they played into in his 432 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: cameo in Curb. I'm not being mean. I love what 433 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: he Harrelson. I think he's awesome, but I think he 434 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: does get a bit of a reputation and is painted 435 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: by the media as being this sort of like you know, 436 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: fringe e radical and that's totally the character they over 437 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: emphasize in in curb. Um. But he does seem to 438 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: believe that this story is true. Uh, that somebody told him. 439 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: That's uh, you know, someone who is reputable. I think 440 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. And he's still in prison, right, he 441 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: hasn't passed you know, he did just passed away. Okay, 442 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: we'll probably never know that, but uh, that's all I 443 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: got there. Guys, it's chilling, kind of don't you think 444 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: hearing this tape especially, I'm not sure what this is from. Um, 445 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what this documentary footage that that 446 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: that is on YouTube is from. Yeah, it's it's it's 447 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: very unclear. But um, i'd love to see the whole thing. 448 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Let us know if anybody recognizes that audio, where where 449 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: the the larger with the larger context might be. We 450 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: just played the tiniest clip of it. But I would 451 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: love to watch the whole the whole documentary. But UM, 452 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: let us know what you think. Let us know if 453 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: you have any insight into this, or if your friend 454 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: with Woody Harrelson, or if you're Woody Harrelson yourself. UM, 455 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: we'd love to know. Um, in the meantime, let's a 456 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: quick break and then'll be back with one more piece 457 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: of listener mail. All right, and we are back when 458 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: we are jumping to a message or own voice mail system. 459 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: And it sounds a bit like this, Hey guys, um 460 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: shows y'all want to But I just wanted to talk 461 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: about something that I came in the possession of that 462 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure I'm supposed to have. So it's 463 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: it's a small nine page book and it is literally 464 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: just a list of names. And uh these names are 465 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: like the one per cent of the one percent. And 466 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: uh the book is is a member's list for this 467 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: exclusive something or another social club in New York City 468 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: called the brook b r o o kay Um. The 469 00:28:48,720 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: names are people like Michael Bloomberg, Lord William Astor, uh Godman, 470 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: Princess Saudi, Princes, English Princes, uh, David coax in here. Uh, 471 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: just just all sorts of things anyways, Um, Jim and 472 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: I got I mean, it's in his nineties and I've 473 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: been doing this just you know, household work for him 474 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: and his wife during the pandemic. And uh he is 475 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: a member former Panama Exact. But his resume really makes 476 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: you wonder what kind of role this club plays, and 477 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, for small hand at plays and shaping the 478 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: way of the world runs like he went from being 479 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: a Panama exact working on the board as I think 480 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: it's called Opus group, which literally determined like where cancer 481 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: drugs went, like how they were allocated. And it seems 482 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: to me like the kind of you make when here 483 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: in one of these clubs, your buddy says, hey, well, 484 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: why aren't gonna work for me? You know, I'll pay 485 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: you twice as much just to uh tell people they can't, 486 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, have our drug one thing or another anyways, Um, 487 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: it really makes you wonder. Um it's called the Brooks 488 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: Social Club. Not sure if I should have shared those names, 489 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: but man, yeah, yes, what was that guy from the 490 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: older generations of TV? Yes that for a dollar? Well 491 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: so in collaboration of those characters. That's awesome, man. And 492 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: this is a proposed to another conversation we had off air. Uh, 493 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: state's up there. So the brook Club, Matt, you did. 494 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: You did some great digging on this. It's something it's 495 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: similar perhaps to some stuff we've talked about in the past, 496 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: the idea that there are these exclusive private entities you 497 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: know that go there are much fancier than but he 498 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: mean growth, by the way. So the first question, a 499 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: lot of people in the crowd today are good to 500 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: have it in their minds, is this not? Is the 501 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: Brook Club real? The Brook Club is very real, and 502 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: it's probably not as excitedly scary as you maybe hope 503 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: or imagine from that message from anonymous person. Thank you 504 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: very much for calling in. By the way, it is 505 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: one of the social clubs that currently exists, that has 506 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: existed for a long time in cities across the world, 507 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: especially in places like London and New York, maybe Philadelphia, Boston, 508 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: there are social clubs like this. Atlanta, Atlanta is one 509 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: of those cities there across the world. I found an 510 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: article from the New York Times from nineteen o three 511 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: for real, and it is titled new club is launched, 512 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: an exclusive organization with peculiar advantages, and it is called 513 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: the Brook Guys. Uh. It's named after a poem by Tennyson. 514 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: Are you familiar, Ben, I'm assuming you are Alfred Old? Yeah? 515 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: Is it? It's Song of the Brook right, And I 516 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: believe that's it. The line is men may come and 517 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: men may go, but I go on forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 518 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: that's that's the Brook. I had to look it up 519 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: real quick just to double check. I mean, uh, it's 520 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful line in the poem, you know what 521 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean. Yes, And the reason why they used that 522 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: line and this concept of the Brook is because it 523 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: was going to be very different from the other social 524 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: clubs that existed in New York City in the early 525 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. They were going to make that baby open 526 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: twenty four seven. Yea, No matter when you need to 527 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: go sneak away from your loved ones or the people 528 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: who are around you in your daily life and you're working, 529 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: you can sneak away and read a newspaper around a 530 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: giant table, or have a meal perhaps, and share some 531 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: discussions with other men. Only a hundred men, because only dudes, 532 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and only one hundred or I guess ninety nine other 533 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: dudes who also might be let in, because there were 534 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: only going to be one hundred members at any given 535 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: moment of the Brook. This thing is, this thing is 536 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: fascinating to me, uh, the the way it's written about 537 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: in nine three by the New York Times. It is 538 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: just a regular old thing. It's another one of these clubs. 539 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: These gentlemen's clubs, not the kind that you think of 540 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: right now, not the kind most of us listening to 541 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: could get into. It's the kind that you couldn't get into. Yes, 542 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: this is no cheetah. It is, in fact a it's 543 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: like a Piedmont driving club kind of thing. It's a 544 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: it's a club where you go to socialize, specifically with men, 545 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: and there's some great stuff you can find line about 546 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: this place. You can find out roughly where it is 547 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. You can look it up. I won't give 548 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: the address here because I don't want anybody just running 549 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: over there because we're talking about on the show. But 550 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, no harassment, everybody. It's a private social club 551 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: that still exists in Manhattan. Think about that. Though a 552 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: private social Yes, it's no one feels like that's whatever. Yeah, 553 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: can I tell you? Can I tell you was also 554 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: a member? Oh please, I've got a I've got a 555 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: notable members list here. I hope you name my favorite 556 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: sith lord. Well, the first one ties directly to the 557 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: previous story. John F. Kennedy was allegedly a member of 558 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: the Brook. Yeah that makes sense. A blue blood. I 559 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: thought you might. I thought you might mention Henry Kissinger, 560 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: who is I feel like I had to do this 561 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: every time I bring him up in a show. Who 562 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: is still alive? Henry Kissinger? Still alive? The most diplomatic 563 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: thing you could say is he's a CONTROVERSI will figure. 564 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: But I did rightly describe him as a sith lord, 565 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 1: and not without not without reason. So he's in there, 566 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Our caller mentioned Lord Liam Astor, 567 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: princes princes from Germany, Saudi Arabia, David Coke, John Jacob 568 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: Astor is in there and mentioned by a couple of 569 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: websites here, William K. Vanderbilt the second, Oh, that was 570 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: John Jacob Aster the fourth. I apologize right right right, 571 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: because old money gets terribly uncreative when it comes to 572 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: naming their children. Uh. This, this is is fascinating, But 573 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: we should say immediately the existence of a place like 574 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: the Brook does not necessarily mean there is anything untoward, 575 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: anything um ethically front or anything even like illegal going on. 576 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: They could just be hanging out because they want a 577 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: quiet place to read, which you and I talked about 578 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: a little bit off Airmatt, which I totally agree with. 579 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: The problem is that there is tremendous opportunity for corruption here, 580 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: just like the practice of lobby Like you've got the 581 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: one of the richest got wait no, at the time, 582 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: John Jacob ast her Forth and trying not to say 583 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: that to the cadence of John Jacob Genalheimer. Um, but anyway, 584 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: Astor was the richest dude in the United States, and 585 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: he was hob nobbing with people who would be able 586 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: to put their hands on the wheel of policy. Right, 587 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: so you could conceivably have conversations in this club that 588 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: later turned the course of um turned the course of 589 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: the law to your preference. You know, like if you 590 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: were remember this club, and you had you know, kind 591 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: of hot, hot shot kid who got in trouble, you know, hit, 592 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: hit a building, drive in a car, or something like that, 593 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: then this, your friends here at this club, would be 594 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: able to get that erased. It's just possible. Doesn't mean 595 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: they did it. It's just just possible. I'll give you, 596 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: I'll give you club membership. Reasoning from Anthony le June, 597 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: writing for City Journal. I believe this is n yes 598 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: when when Anthony le June wrote this. The article he 599 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: wrote is titled A Tour of New York's club land, 600 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: and what Anthony states little ways down the article is 601 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: quote nobody joins a New York or London club for 602 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: the gastronomy what one clerical club man called, quote the 603 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: piece of cod which passeth all understanding unquote is all 604 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: too common. Fair conversation is supposed to be the point, 605 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: or rather, there are two conflicting points, refuge and company, 606 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: which is why real club men need at least two clubs, 607 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: one where they can hide grumpily behind the newspaper and 608 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: another where they can talk. So according to Anthony East, 609 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: it is a social club. It is to have thriving, 610 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: interesting conversation. Yeah, you know, the descriptions that we just 611 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: had hypothetically of covery, up crimes or altering laws are 612 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: both thriving and lively. It's i mean, all those Bohemian 613 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: grove conversations, I'm sure are quite illuminating. And like there's 614 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: another thing here too, which is you know, we're we're 615 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: on record saying this. Whenever we find out about secretive organizations, 616 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: one of the first things we try to do just 617 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: for ourselves is figure out what like their typical menu contains, 618 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: if they if they have food, and at this point Matt, 619 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: I don't think that's on on the record, right, I 620 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: don't think so. There within the Anthony let June article, 621 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: there is one moment where he discusses one of the 622 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: clubs in New York has a grill, essentially a large 623 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: grill that operates all the time while the club is 624 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: open and there's no menu. You literally walk up and 625 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: just request something and they make it. And they don't 626 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: keep lists of who eats what. You just go up, 627 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: you ask for something, they make it for What a 628 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: stressful What a stressful position for the person working the grill. 629 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: That's terrible. I'll have one hawk of lamb roasted and 630 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: I will lead it whole, so the juices dripped down 631 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: my face and manly chest to ortlan and the eye 632 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: of a lying child, you know what I mean. Like, 633 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you no, we're exaggerating, but that 634 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty amazing. It is in the concept 635 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: of the brook. I was twenty four hours that you 636 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: just get to go and just be. You're the most 637 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: important person and all these other people are the most 638 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: important persons and only one d of you exist vibe. 639 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: But that's why I hang out a waffle house, lovely, 640 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: just give you some more names of clubs if you're 641 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: interested in looking this kind of stuff up. There's the 642 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: Union Club, Knickerbocker Club, Metropolitan Club, and there's so many 643 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: more now that have cropped up over the years. There's 644 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff that we could get into if 645 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk more about these, But gosh, I 646 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: highly recommend going to the Wikipedia page for Brook Club 647 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: or the Brook Club and find this nineteen o three 648 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: article because there's a link. There's a link to it 649 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: down there in the bibliography, and just read it. It's 650 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: wonderful just how it was written about in nineteen o three. 651 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: And also we gotta mention just that one rumor that 652 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: I love so much I'll start club. Yeah, can you 653 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: share that? Can you share that with the class you? 654 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: You gotta do it? Okay? Well, allegedly, according to many 655 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: places that have written about the Brook online, and there 656 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: there aren't that many, but all the ones that write 657 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: about it, they tend to mention this that there is 658 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: a rumor that the Brook was founded by quote two 659 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,479 Speaker 1: former members of the Union Club who were expelled after 660 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: trying to poach an egg on a bald member's head. Oh, 661 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: That is the height of decadens right there, Jerry, Jerry, 662 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: don't move for a moment. I'm standing Steve. I'm someone's 663 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: cracking an egg on your head. Jerry, gross off shot, 664 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: that's the origin of egg on the face. Oh no joke. 665 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm choosing to believe you, and we'll think nothing else 666 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: from this moment forward. But this reminds me of that 667 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: offshoot secret society that like kissed the bulldogs butt holes? 668 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: Remember that one? Oh yeah, yeah, how are those guys? 669 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're fine. What were they called? Though? They 670 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: were they were an offshoot of like, um, I want 671 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: to say Rosa Crucians or something, and they have these 672 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: little they weren't real. They weren't real. They were statues. 673 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: There were statues, um, but they were crawling all fours 674 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: and like kiss the the anus of the of these 675 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: small dog statues. Was it what I think they were? 676 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: Pugsy kissing butt holes? Search histories. It's the order of 677 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: the pug, the Order of the pug. And it was 678 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: a French thing that I believe the creators were banned from. 679 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: Was it Catholicism? And it wasn't to do with religion. 680 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: After the Pope banded, the Freemason joining Freemason. So these 681 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: people get up to stuff. It's true. Who doesn't like 682 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: to belong to a club that was a great deep cut. 683 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: You can learn more about that on Ridiculous History. I 684 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 1: think we'd use that. True. Yeah, and this Matt with 685 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: all now that you know all this, and Anonymous, thank 686 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 1: you for writing to us, because one important point I 687 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: think we should know about the Brook in the modern 688 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: day is it it's one of the few private clubs 689 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: of its kind left. Is it that correct? I don't know. 690 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: I think I think places like Montauk Club, which has 691 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: been around since nine still exists. I think is the 692 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: knicker Barker Club not a thing anymore? I'm pretty sure 693 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: it is. It's so fun to say. I hope it's 694 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: still around. What did you do with the Knickerbocker Hotel 695 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: in New York? Ah to East sixty Street, It's still around. 696 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: Knicker Bocker Club is still around? Yeah, I mean I 697 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: think most of these are like the Pimot Driving Club 698 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: was established in the eighteen hundreds here in Atlanta. I 699 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: mean it's like, well, the thing about the Brook and 700 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: the Knickerbocker in the Union, the thing that's so interesting 701 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: about these clubs from an outsider perspective. To be clear, 702 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: is that the Brooks started because these two guys apparently 703 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: thought the Union Club either stinks at partying or they're 704 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: no fun when it comes to eggs. But the Niggerbocker Club, 705 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: according to the story, started because they thought the Union 706 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: Club had lowered standards of admission. Who are they going 707 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: to let next the left? We can, yes, dude, you 708 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: can read about that in the tour of New York's 709 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: club Land by Anthony L. June. There's discussion in there 710 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: about how they started to admit bankers and attorneys who were, yeah, trades, 711 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: that's how they referred to it, like oh, he started, 712 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh you know, these are what attorneys? That was not 713 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: good enough. They don't differentiate. They don't differentiate banker. There 714 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 1: are people who had jobs, which means you don't believe 715 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: the Knickerbocker Hotel has anything to do with the Knickerbocker Club. 716 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: Just just for the record, but it's just a phrase, 717 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: nicker Bocker. Yeah, I'm sure I had inspired by or 718 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a person or what 719 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: is the knicker Bocker people from Manhattan basically our knicker Bockers. 720 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: Gotta yeah, I believe that's correct. Someone, if you're a 721 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: nicker Bocker, right in, if you have a if you 722 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 1: have a membership at the knicker Bocker Club and feel 723 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: that you have the history of the club has been 724 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: unfairly represented, please also right in? Also, can we get 725 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: an invite, uh, you know, just to pop in, just 726 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: like a guest pass, like in a gym. That's a thing, right, 727 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm actually going I'm actually working on forging a collaboration 728 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: with a club like that in Atlanta. So I will 729 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: give updates once we have more info. I want, I 730 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 1: just want a shotgun. These are all These are wishes. 731 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,959 Speaker 1: These are wishes we could we could grant everybody. Someone 732 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: in the crew needs to have shotgun in general. You know, uh, 733 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: these days this brings us to a bitter sweet clothes 734 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: because we enjoy these conversations. Were grateful, as we said, 735 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: for everybody's time. But it's a little bitter sweet for 736 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: us because we haven't gotten to all the correspondence yet 737 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: on our continuing mission to explore strange new thoughts. I'm kidding, 738 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how far we can get with that 739 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: paraphrasing before he gets sued. But the point is, if 740 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this, we'd love to have you on there. 741 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: We'd love to have you aboard. We can't wait to 742 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: hear from you, So why not try to reach out 743 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: and tell us your story. We're easy to find online. Yes, 744 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: you can find us on Facebook and Twitter and YouTube 745 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: at Conspiracy Stuff. You cannot find us at the prestigious 746 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: clubs around Atlanta. You must use some form of technology 747 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: such as Instagram, where you can find us where we're 748 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: at Conspiracy Stuff Show. But if you don't like using 749 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: social media, there are other ways to contact us. You 750 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: can use some sort of you know, flash paper situation 751 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: where you can write your missive on there and throw 752 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: it in uh, you know, some kind of ceremonial urn 753 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: and set it ablaze and was as the smoke drusts 754 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: up into the ether um. You know, look to the 755 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: north to the west. I always forget, and you'll see 756 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: your your answer written in the sky and the constellations. 757 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: That's one way, But if you're into, like, you know, 758 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: the dark arts, you can also just reach us via 759 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: the telephone, which is, you know, in and of itself 760 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a dark art. What do they say, uh? 761 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: Technology at a certain levels indistinguishable from magic. Well technology 762 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: started with the telephone. You can give us a call 763 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: one eight three three s t d w y t K. 764 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: What do they do then, Well, after you've called one 765 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: eight three three st d w y t K, you 766 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: will if you're a message telling you that you're joining 767 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,439 Speaker 1: a very exclusive club, confirming you're in the right place, 768 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: you'll have three minutes. Those three minutes are yours. Get 769 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: weird with it, go nuts. Can't wait to hear from 770 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: you a couple of a couple of things that will 771 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: help us out on our end. Let us know if 772 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: we can use your name and or message on air. 773 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: Give yourself a cool moniker uh that we we get 774 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: so many we enjoy them all. Tell us what's on 775 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: your mind, and most importantly, do not censor yourself that 776 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: is antithetical to the mission of this show. If you 777 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: have supporting links, if you have a story that needs 778 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: more than three minutes, or comment that needs more than 779 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: three minutes, right it all out, paste those links, send 780 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: us to the rabbit hole, and do it by email. 781 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 1: We read every letter we get. 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