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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck begins

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Speaker 2: right now. First up, we are watching closely as Hurricane

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Speaker 2: Idallia has made landfall. We've seen the footage of what

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Speaker 2: it has done to what they call the Big Bend

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Speaker 2: in Florida, that area of the state. I'm down here

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Speaker 2: in South Florida. A lot of flirtings I know are

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Speaker 2: very on edge about what this is doing to the state.

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Speaker 2: It's also moving into Georgia and going to be hitting

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Speaker 2: the Carolinas. So we're watching this powerful storm and we'll

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Speaker 2: have updates for you as they come along during the show,

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Speaker 2: and of course, our thoughts and prayers go out to

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Speaker 2: everybody who is affected. We also have a number of

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Speaker 2: news stories that we'll be looking at here.

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Speaker 3: Including.

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Speaker 2: The latest on the Hunter Biden Victor Choken Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: corruption axis. Even more emails making it more clear than

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Speaker 2: ever before if that's even possible that there was a

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Speaker 2: corrupt scheme underway here and a tied directly to Hunter

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Speaker 2: getting all these illicit payments.

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Speaker 4: So we shall discuss.

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Speaker 2: Uh the Veke Ramaswami is talked about. This was on

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Speaker 2: our friend Glenn Beck's program, Clay may have seen. Glenn

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Speaker 2: asked Trump during an interview, what about the Veke for VP?

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Speaker 2: And he says that Vivec is smart and full of talent.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see that would be a very interesting turn

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Speaker 2: here at some point if Vike just said I want

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Speaker 2: to be a part of the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 4: I know he.

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Speaker 2: Says that that's not going to happen, but I'm betting

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Speaker 2: right now that at some point that is a conversation

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Speaker 2: that it's going to happen. We shall see if I'm

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Speaker 2: right on that one. Trump said he's certainly opened to it.

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Speaker 2: He's open to it, which I don't think he's open

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Speaker 2: to that many other candidates these days as a VP.

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Speaker 2: So that's something that we will definitely get into. This

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Speaker 2: just from over the weekend, Clay, we didn't get to it,

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Speaker 2: but ninety nine percent this is a Daily Mail headline,

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of COVID deaths recently are not primarily

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Speaker 2: caused by the virus.

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Speaker 4: That's according to the CDC.

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Speaker 2: Written about the Daily Mail, we should discuss how they're

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Speaker 2: still trying to make COVID an even bigger thing than

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Speaker 2: any reasonable person could.

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Speaker 4: But let's dive into this.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 2: I saw this, I thought, oh boy, here's a moment,

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Speaker 2: and I knew Clay you were going to be fired

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Speaker 2: up by this one too.

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Speaker 4: Because this is.

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Speaker 2: I've got to assume ninety ten issue. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how good the polling is on this. White House was

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Speaker 2: asked about this. Kareem Jean Pierre was asked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to women and men and sports competition,

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Speaker 2: this should be going.

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Speaker 4: Into an election, right.

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Speaker 2: This should be the most straightforward, obvious. This is a

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Speaker 2: pitch right down the middle. You've just got to put

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Speaker 2: that in the upper stands. This is so easy, but

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Speaker 2: it's not easy for Joe Biden's White House. It's not

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Speaker 2: easy for his White House Press secretary to handle. So instead,

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Speaker 2: when I asked should men and women be able to

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Speaker 2: compete separately in sports? Here is the non answer answer

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Speaker 2: you get from the Biden regime. Does he care that

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Speaker 2: girls are allowed to compete in sports?

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Speaker 5: But now I just I hear of injury?

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Speaker 3: Does he think it's fair for girls to have to

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Speaker 5: I just answered the question. It is a complicated issue.

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Speaker 5: It is truly a complicated issue with a wide range

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Speaker 5: of views, a wide range of views. There is no

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Speaker 5: yes or no answer to this. It is complicated. There's

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Speaker 5: a rule that the Department of Education has put forward

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Speaker 5: and we're going to let that process move forward.

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 5: We want to make sure that while we establish god

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Speaker 5: rails with this rule, that we also prevent discrimination as

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Speaker 5: well against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with

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Speaker 5: a wide range of views, and we respect that.

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Speaker 2: Clay, she can say complicated five or six times as

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Speaker 2: she does there. It is not complicated and it is

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Speaker 2: a straightforward yes or no.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's so interesting if we just go

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Speaker 7: unwilling to say that men are bigger, stronger, and faster

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Speaker 7: a difference between men and women's athletics, then I can't

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Speaker 7: I'm an expert. And let me just kind of give

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Speaker 7: people a context on this, Buck, did you see the

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Speaker 7: Little League World Series? Any moment of the Little League

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Speaker 7: World Series in Williamsport, Pennsylvania just ended. No, okay, you

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Speaker 7: did not see it. I bet a decent percentage of

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Speaker 7: our audience has watched at some point a Little League

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Speaker 7: World Series game. This year's where Little League World Series ended.

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Speaker 7: Congratulations to El Segundo, California. That's the south side of

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Speaker 7: La County. They beat curus Ou to win the Little

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Speaker 7: off home run, twelve year old kid and everybody goes

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Speaker 7: crazy buck. What would happen if it came out that

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Speaker 7: that kid was fifteen years old?

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Speaker 3: Everybody would have fucked out time.

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Speaker 2: I tell you this happened in my New York City

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Speaker 2: soccer league. There was a kid who was like two

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Speaker 7: It also happened, by the way, in the New York

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Speaker 7: but he was like two or three years too old.

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Speaker 7: He was a pitcher, and anybody out there who knows

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Speaker 3: Old and a twelve year old right.

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Speaker 7: First of all, fifteen year old can have a mustache,

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Speaker 7: flame thrower. There's a big difference. Everybody out there would

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Speaker 7: react with indignation if this occurred. I went to Cooperstown,

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Speaker 7: New York for a twelve U baseball tournament. People remember

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Speaker 7: I broadcast from up there. You had to give the

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Speaker 7: original birth certificate in order for your kid. You couldn't

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Speaker 7: know this because I lost the original birth certificate in

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Speaker 7: the process of traveling to Cooperstown, New York.

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Speaker 3: And let me just.

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Speaker 7: Say, Mom does not look fondly upon dad if Dad

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Speaker 7: I Mom may have a point there. Mom may have

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Speaker 7: a point. We lost the original birth certificate. We had

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Speaker 7: My point on all this is aggressively you have to

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Speaker 7: tremendous difference in the competitive outcome.

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Speaker 3: Now, imagine that you have.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, oftentimes, especially when you get to

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Speaker 7: twelve or thirteen years old, that's because puberty hits, and

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Speaker 7: puberty changes everything in all facets of life, including how big, strong,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so as they've become men. No one would argue this.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there's anyone out there who would argue buck, Hey,

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Speaker 7: I could be transage. I'm not twelve, but I feel

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Speaker 7: like a twelve year old, and therefore I should be

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Speaker 7: able to compete against twelve year old. Your age is

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Speaker 7: a biological reality, just like your sex is a biological reality.

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Speaker 7: And the refusal of the White House to address this

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Speaker 7: because it demonstrates how much of their organization and their

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Speaker 2: Well, it eats a reminder of the initial lie, and

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Speaker 2: this is what consistently aggravates me about this, the initial

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Speaker 2: lie of the Biden administration, which, because I remember the

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Speaker 2: whole thing was while he was hiding in the basement,

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Speaker 2: we're all scared of COVID and the BLM rioters are

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Speaker 2: looting and destroying and burning things down. It was Oh,

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Speaker 2: good old Grandpa Joe, he's not an extremist. He's not

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Speaker 2: was a trojan horse. That's what I'm saying. He's a

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Speaker 2: trojan horse for the left. We all remember the ancient

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Speaker 2: be exactly what he is, which is, oh, don't worry,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, good old grandpa Joe. Doesn't think that your

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Speaker 2: should be able to have hormone blockers, should allow a

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Speaker 2: Joe's not gonna do that, of course he is. And

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Speaker 2: it goes to the power that the activist left has

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Speaker 4: That need a new crusade.

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Speaker 2: They probably don't like that term, but a crusade to

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: What is the great civil rights struggle?

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Speaker 2: According to the left of modern day, it is to

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Speaker 2: is effectively a state of mind. Here here's one for

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Speaker 2: you clip.

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Speaker 4: Why is it.

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Speaker 2: That that physicality does not determine gender? But to be

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Speaker 4: Femininity or being a woman. Why must you if it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: If having a penis does not make you a man,

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Speaker 2: be a transgender woman?

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Speaker 4: What difference does it make? They don't have answers for this.

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Speaker 7: And again I think that this is so that this

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Speaker 7: really blows up when you go, okay, can you be transage?

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Speaker 7: I'm forty four If I felt like I was sixteen.

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Speaker 2: We both look young for our age to be fair,

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Speaker 2: so we do defy the age categorization for.

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Speaker 7: Your age, I might look old for my age But

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Speaker 7: if I felt trans age and I wanted to go

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Speaker 7: back to high school and I wanted to play high

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Speaker 7: school football, Let's say, uh, should I.

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Speaker 3: Be able to do that?

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Speaker 7: What about if I woke up today, Buck and I

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Speaker 7: felt like I was a Filipino? Should I be able

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Speaker 7: to identify I? Should I be transracial? And could I

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Speaker 7: say to everyone, Hey, I'm Filipino. And by the way,

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Speaker 7: it's not just me acting like it.

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Speaker 3: It's me acting like it.

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Speaker 7: And you have to acknowledge that even though it's fundamentally

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Speaker 7: not true.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm a white guy.

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Speaker 7: I'm forty four, but if I want to be why

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Speaker 7: I'm a woman. But if I say I'm a sixteen

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Speaker 7: OO, welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 8: You know we had we talked a lot about a

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Speaker 8: that's truly how the government works. It's not because she

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Speaker 8: said I'm going to waiver on this, and there needs

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Speaker 8: to be a consensus that is simply the facts, and

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Speaker 8: it cuts them off at the knees. They can't come

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Speaker 8: after her for this, because there is no reason to

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Speaker 8: come after any candidate for this. The candidate can't do

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Speaker 8: anything on it, but they will run the ads and

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Speaker 8: win and by manipulating the people's minds and making them

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Speaker 8: believe that someone will go in there and take this away.

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Speaker 8: And I'm telling you we lost the hearts and minds

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Speaker 8: of women on this decades ago, and that work needs

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Speaker 8: to be done outside of government.

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Speaker 2: So just tutor, what's different about what Nicki Haley said

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Speaker 2: versus what your approach was in Michigan.

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Speaker 8: So Nicki Haley was very clear that she believes this

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Speaker 8: is going to be a decision by the people, that

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Speaker 8: people will have to come together and it will and

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Speaker 8: if it comes to be a federal answer, that it

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Speaker 8: will be that they will come out and that the

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Speaker 8: Senators will have to come together, the House will have

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Speaker 8: to come together. It'll be consensus.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 8: She was very clear about the process. She did not

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Speaker 8: go out and say these are the reasons that I'm

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Speaker 8: pro life, and this is why I believe that women

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Speaker 8: will have these experiences that they should still have a baby. Now,

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Speaker 8: if you look at Rondasantis' approach, I know. I can

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Speaker 8: tell you I've had this same and lived the same thing.

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Speaker 8: The girl came to him and they clearly said we

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Speaker 8: want you to meet this person. And he talked about

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Speaker 8: the woman who was you know, on the she was

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Speaker 8: so they tried to abort her several times. Their grandmother

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Speaker 8: saved her. And I'm telling you they will use those

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Speaker 8: stories against you because they'll say this is these people

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Speaker 8: were forced to have a baby. They didn't want to.

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Speaker 8: It's a terrible situation. A child was forced into it.

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Speaker 8: I can just see the ads that they're writing and it's.

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Speaker 3: Just so clear.

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Speaker 2: So like your takeaway if if you were advising somebody

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Speaker 2: else who was running as a Republican in Michigan on

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Speaker 2: this issue, I mean, yes, the left lies. They're horrible.

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Speaker 2: They lie on this issue. They probably lie on this

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Speaker 2: issue more than any other. So then what's the what's

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Speaker 2: the response to be able to win in a state

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Speaker 2: like Michigan on this issue.

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Speaker 8: Well, if you are running for a federal position, I

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Speaker 8: would say that your response should be, Look, we know

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Speaker 8: we would if there were some federal decisions that would

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Speaker 8: come to on abortion, we would come together. And I

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Speaker 8: want to be a part of that decision. I want

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Speaker 8: to be a part of that discussion, and I think

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Speaker 8: it's okay to share if you're a pro life person

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Speaker 8: that you're pro life, but to recognize that this is

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Speaker 8: not this is not going to be a decision I'm

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Speaker 8: going to make for someone else. We're going to make

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Speaker 8: this decision together, and that's where I leave it.

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Speaker 7: And you're a mom, this is this is interesting, by

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Speaker 7: the way, because I do think there's so many people

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Speaker 7: out there. You met my wife, she's got three we've

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Speaker 7: got three kids, You've got four daughters. I bet you

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Speaker 7: are also surrounded by other moms, and it's like the

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Speaker 7: Republican brand for some of them is toxic, even though

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Speaker 7: they would agree with you and me and a lot

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Speaker 7: of our listeners on virtually every issue, but it's like

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Speaker 7: they can't get past abortion. Do you meet those people,

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Speaker 7: do you see them, and do you think they're really

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Speaker 7: decision makers in terms of how elections are one or

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Speaker 7: lost in Michigan?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, because they will likely never use abortion, or they

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Speaker 8: never use abortion past the first trimester, past that fifteen

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Speaker 8: week point. But they are not going to say I'm

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Speaker 8: going to take it away from someone who had some

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Speaker 8: catastrophic situation happen. I don't want to be that person

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Speaker 8: that votes to take that choice away from some woman

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Speaker 8: who has an experience that you will never know, that

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Speaker 8: we will never experience. And so I think that's what

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Speaker 8: people need to understand is these are not cruel and

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Speaker 8: sick women who are like, you know, we just want

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Speaker 8: to be able to have an abortion whenever we want.

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Speaker 8: There are people that feel strongly about the fact that

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Speaker 8: that choice should be there, should there be some medical complications,

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Speaker 8: should there be some disastrous situation, And that's what they

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Speaker 8: told that's what they've talked to me about, you know,

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Speaker 8: like this is just something that we can't we feel

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Speaker 8: like we can't vote to take that away. And they

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Speaker 8: feel that a vote for a Republican right now is

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Speaker 8: a vote to ban abortion. And whether it is at

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Speaker 8: six weeks or ten weeks or fifteen weeks, that term

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Speaker 8: ban is really powerful with women right now. And I've

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Speaker 8: tried to talk to people across the country who I'm saying, look,

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Speaker 8: this does not mean that you are out of taking

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Speaker 8: care of lumen, or taking care of babies, or trying

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Speaker 8: to convince people that having their child is the best

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Speaker 8: option for them. That's not what this means. It means

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Speaker 8: that that work is going to be done outside of

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Speaker 8: elected officials. That work has to be done, that has

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Speaker 8: to be the long game, that has to be done

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Speaker 8: through carrying organizations that are outside of elected officials, because honestly,

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Speaker 8: you're not going to be able to get good policies

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Speaker 8: for working moms, good policies for families, good healthcare for families,

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Speaker 8: if you can't get into office. You're going to still

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Speaker 8: have these radical policies where moms can't afford school supplies

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Speaker 8: if you can't get into office, and they know they

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Speaker 8: can stop you from getting into office with this one issue.

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Speaker 7: primary race. A couple of news stories that are out there.

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Speaker 7: It appears, according to reports that the third Republican debate,

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Speaker 7: of Alabama. That is the Tuscal Lusa campus. Buck, that

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Speaker 7: is where you went to see your first ever college

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Speaker 7: football game between whose me and excuse me, sir.

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Speaker 4: My beloved rule Tides.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Crimson Tide Oh yes again their season at

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Speaker 7: home against Middle Tennessee State University on Saturday. We need

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Speaker 7: to both get down there. You would be able to

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Speaker 7: return to Tuscaloosa. I will pretty much guarantee that if

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Speaker 7: this debate takes place on the University of Alabama campus

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Speaker 7: that I will be down there, and I'll probably try

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Speaker 7: to pair it with a college football game, depending on

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Speaker 7: when the actual debate takes place. They've been on Wednesday,

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Speaker 7: I think so far right. I think that's the day

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Speaker 7: of the week that they're trying to put them because

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Speaker 7: there's NFL or college football games on Monday and Thursday,

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Speaker 7: and they don't want to go head to head with those.

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Speaker 7: Wednesday is the best day of the week when there

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Speaker 7: aren't major sporting events that would cut into potentially the

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Speaker 7: audience of people who'd be watching. I love the idea

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Speaker 7: of Nick Saban, by the way, as the moderator Alabama

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Speaker 7: Crimson Tied head football coach. I'm not even I think

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Speaker 7: he would do. I'd be happy to vote for Nick

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Speaker 7: Saban for president. By the way. I think he would

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Speaker 7: do an incredible job as the moderator because he doesn't

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Speaker 7: take any slack right, and he is like dismissive of

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Speaker 7: all attempts to make excuses.

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Speaker 3: I kind of love that idea. So that is going

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Speaker 3: on now. Buck.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday also I said I thought there were six candidates

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Speaker 7: who could win one of the first primaries, and I

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Speaker 7: said everybody else should drop out.

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Speaker 3: Some people just agreed with that.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna firmly reinforce that again, Trump, DeSantis, Vivek, Nicky Haley,

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Speaker 7: Tim Scott, Chris CHRISTI. Only those six people have a

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Speaker 7: chance to win one of the first four primaries. And

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Speaker 7: if you're like Chris Christy, he's number two right now

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Speaker 7: in New Hampshire, Okay, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 7: some of the crazy shenanigans that might happen in New

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Speaker 7: Hampshire before all is said and done with who's on

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Speaker 7: that ballot. But Vivek has moved into a solid number

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Speaker 7: three spot, I think it's fair to say, Buck, and

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Speaker 7: has challenged Ron DeSantis for the number two spot overall.

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Speaker 7: We had Veveke on the show last week in the

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Speaker 7: wake of the debate, and I thought, in terms of

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Speaker 7: candidates on the radio with us, he did as good

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Speaker 7: of a job as anybody has to make a case

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Speaker 7: for why he should be the nominee. But I definitely

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Speaker 7: think it's worth all of you an eyebrow raise if

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Speaker 7: you presume that Vivek is now in second or third place.

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Speaker 7: Trump has attacked Ron DeSantis with every verbal I I've

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Speaker 7: never seen.

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Speaker 2: A real poll that has him in any kind of

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Speaker 2: solid second place nationally or even in an important state.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen that? I haven't seen.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's There have been a couple of polls I

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Speaker 7: think of questionable again pulling.

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Speaker 4: Polls.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any major polling agency has shown him

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Speaker 2: in second place overall in the contest.

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Speaker 7: I've seen a couple where he is in second, second,

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Speaker 7: or third, whatever you want to say. He has increased

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Speaker 7: more than anybody else in the Republican primary field. And yet,

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Speaker 7: to my knowledge, Trump has not said a single negative

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Speaker 7: word about him, and by and large, Vivey has not

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Speaker 7: said a single negative word about Trump. Yesterday, Trump went

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Speaker 7: on our friend Glenn Beck's program. He was asked about

659
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Speaker 7: the idea of the vague Ramaswami as his VP. This

660
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 7: is what Trump said.

661
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 6: Well, I think he's great. Look anybody that said I'm

662
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 6: the best president in the generation, I don't know. You

663
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 6: have to define generations so long, and he said it

664
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 6: a couple of times, and he said it in one

665
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 6: hundred years. So I have to like a guy like that,

666
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 6: you know. I can't get up upset with him. But

667
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 6: he's a smart guy. He's a young guy. He's got

668
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 6: a lot of talent. He's very very a very intelligent person.

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00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 6: He's got good energy, and he could be in some

670
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 6: form of something. I tell you, I think he'd be

671
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 6: very good. I think he's very good. I think he's

672
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 6: really distinguished himself. He's starting to get out there a

673
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: little bit. He's a little bit getting a little bit controversial.

674
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 6: I can tell him be a little bit careful. He's

675
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 6: been very nice to me.

676
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: It's not funny Trump saying WHOA, yeah, controversial, buddy, be careful.

677
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very funny.

678
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 7: But buck here is the question, and I would raise

679
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 7: this question for anybody out there listening. Who wants to

680
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 7: weigh in eight hundred in two eight two two eight

681
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 7: a two what's going on here?

682
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 3: Well?

683
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 7: Trump is only saying super nice things about the Veke.

684
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 7: The Veke is only saying super nice things about Trump.

685
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: I don't dispute it. Look if if.

686
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 7: If Trump's the nominee, I want everybody saying super nice

687
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 7: things about each other. These guys are running against each other.

688
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 7: This is totally different.

689
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: They're not really They're not really Trump right this, They're

690
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: not really running against each other.

691
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so what is your theory of what's going on here?

692
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: The theory is that this is the Veke would be

693
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: a phenomenal VP for Trump. And that's how I mean,

694
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: that's the whole that's the whole game. And by being

695
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: in the race, I think he creates a you know,

696
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: he he creates a sort of Trumpian alternative to Trump

697
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: a little bit, but not really, and I don't think

698
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: he's really pulling any vote from Trump when push comes

699
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: to shove. And it also creates this atmosphere of why

700
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: isn't Ron DeSantis or why isn't Nicky Haley or why

701
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, name another candidate doing what Viveke does. I

702
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: see this a lot, which I always want to say, well,

703
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Vivike's not trying to defeat Donald Trump, obviously, because this

704
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: notion that he's going to beat him and Trump's going

705
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: to be his advisor if that was going to happen, well,

706
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: first of all, why doesn't Trump just say that? Now

707
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't hold up. It doesn't make any sense to me.

708
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: I'm just looking. I'm open to being wrong on this one,

709
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: and I like Viveke. I think he's you know, obviously

710
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: been incredibly successful and done. But I think he's running

711
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: to be Trump's VP. Is that Is that a surprise

712
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: to anybody?

713
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 7: Well, I just think I think it may be something

714
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 7: other than running to be Trump's VP, because we've had

715
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 7: Viveke on. I think he's super sharp, smart. We had

716
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 7: him on long before he announced for president as well

717
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 7: to promote his books. If Trump really thought Vivike was

718
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 7: a threat, he would attack him play as he attacks

719
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 7: anybody who's a threat. Obviously, this is this is where

720
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 7: we're breaking this down. Okay, we can allow That's what

721
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 7: I'm That's what I'm going to If you're out there

722
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 7: and you're saying, well, the reason Trump's not saying anything

723
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 7: negative about Vevec is because Vivek is saying nice things

724
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 7: about him. Okay, but if Trump really thought that Viveike, who,

725
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 7: let's be clear, has risen more in the last two

726
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 7: or three months than any other Republican candidate out there.

727
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 7: He's gone from one or two percent to eight or

728
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 7: nine percent, whatever you.

729
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 3: Want to say.

730
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 7: He was the number one Google searched candidate after the

731
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 7: Republican primary debate last week, and we had him on

732
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 7: and I said, hey, if you think Trump's the best

733
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 7: president in the twenty first century, why are you running

734
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 7: against him? And his answer is, well, I think I

735
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 7: can do better. I think I would like to have

736
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: Trump as a mentor. I think I could build them

737
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 7: with the best. Let's just can we just deal with

738
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 7: it this? So there are a few things here. I'm

739
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 7: sorry that I wasn't here. I was on vacation with

740
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 7: Aveke came on because I would ask him about this,

741
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 7: the idea that somebody was the best president in many,

742
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 7: many decades or over numerous president Obviously, we're not that

743
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 7: deep into the twenty first century, so it's not that

744
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 7: big of a of a statement, But to say that

745
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 7: I think he said that Trump's the best president of

746
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 7: his lifetime as well? Am I wrong in saying that?

747
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 7: I believe he's also? Oh, I saw twenty first century.

748
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 7: I didn't see the wife. I might I might be

749
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 7: I might be off on that.

750
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: But my point is merely, if somebody was a mate,

751
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: like if Trump did an A plus job, which I

752
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: think Vivike would say he did and he's a phenomenal president,

753
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: which I think Vivike would say he did. In what

754
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: context do you think that you're going to do a

755
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: better job than somebody who's been in the job for

756
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: four years and was the best at it.

757
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?

758
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't.

759
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 4: It just doesn't hold up. I just I don't buy it.

760
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: Like people can see, they can people can believe whatever

761
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: they want about it. But to me, you know, it's

762
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: it's it's a dodge and this.

763
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: Thing that he did, I'm just going to say it.

764
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: You know, Andrea Mitchell act he was pushing him on

765
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: it where he was talking about how, in my capacity

766
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: as as president of the Senate, I would have pushed

767
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: through vote.

768
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: It's like vic that it's not that.

769
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about Mike Pence's role on

770
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: January sixth.

771
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: Because he doesn't want to say what he wrote in

772
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: his book, which is that he agreed with Pence certifying

773
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: the election, which he always doesn't really say, but he

774
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: actually does believe that, so he should just say that.

775
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Now he'll say that he does say that, but he'll

776
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: actually say something that's a little different than that he

777
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: believes that Mike Pence did the right thing in that moment,

778
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: and then he added in this, but there are all

779
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: these other things I would have done as well.

780
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: That's all extraneous.

781
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: If he agrees with the Pence move, he should just

782
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: say I agree with what Mike Pence did, and to

783
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: be clear, everybody he says he does when pushed on it.

784
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: But there's always this other kind of fast talking thing

785
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: that goes on.

786
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: So that's what I see.

787
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 7: I think it's super strategic by Trump, and I think

788
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 7: there's an agreement behind the scenes with the Vague in

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 7: some way. And let me explain what I mean by this.

790
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 7: Trump is the Trump results. There are tons of you

791
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 7: out there who said I love the Trump results, but

792
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 7: there's a lot of people who say, I don't like

793
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 7: all of the bullet and China Shop Trump aspects. And

794
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 7: I think Trump is smart and recognizes that that element

795
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 7: of the population is out there. So what the Veke

796
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 7: is doing is saying Trump is amazing. I would be

797
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 7: a younger, better version of Trump. Well, that protects Trump

798
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 7: because it dilutes the I like what Trump stands for,

799
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 7: but I want to go in another direction, which is

800
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 7: I think one of the selling points that DeSantis tried

801
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 7: to adopt. So I think what Trump has done here

802
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 7: with the Veke, and this is why he's not attacking him,

803
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 7: is he knows Avec is not going to overtake him.

804
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: But the Veke.

805
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 7: Takes some of what would otherwise be a vote that

806
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 7: would go to others, and it keeps it clear, keeps.

807
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: It in the Maga family.

808
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, That's that's kind of what I was trying

809
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: to get at, you know, at the beginning, we're talking

810
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: about this year. And I also want to be clear again,

811
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: I think a Vake is super smart.

812
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: I like Viveke.

813
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm not.

814
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the political strategy that is unfolding here.

815
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: And if anyone disagrees with this, they have to tell me,

816
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: what do you think Donald Trump is like? If it

817
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: turned into a avicant Donald Trump race for some if

818
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: it really turned into that, meaning that there was a

819
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: chance that Viveke could actually I think Trump would be saying, yeah,

820
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: he's great, he's smart, he's.

821
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: A good guy.

822
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: Or if he thought there was any possibility that could happen.

823
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: Right, that's even that's an even better way of putting it.

824
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you have to go to that level.

825
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 2: And I will just also say, from the perspective of

826
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: a political novice like vivegu if he runs this gauntlet,

827
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: which so far he has done, he is the standout.

828
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: We don't really hear about RFK Junior anymore. I'm just saying,

829
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, notice that kind of fizzled. I was

830
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: a little I was a little I don't know, guys,

831
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, he's gonna beat Biden.

832
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: That's not happening.

833
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody thought he was gonna beat Biden

834
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 7: very well, some maybe something.

835
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: There were people who were out There were people who

836
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: were saying, oh, twenty percent, he's gonna beat Biden. I'm like, guys,

837
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I don't see it. Now,

838
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: no one even talks about him anymore. But anyway, back

839
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: to Viveke, if he is successful in this process, and

840
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: let's say he ends up either VP or maybe you know,

841
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Maydie White House chief of staff or or whatever it

842
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: may be, it's a it's a remarkable success for him.

843
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, it's already a remarkable sir. It's already a.

844
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: Big w So it's not to say, you know that

845
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: this isn't very well thought out and calculated from perspective

846
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: of both Trump and Vivike. They are both winning in

847
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: this process, is basically what I'm saying. So when you

848
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: look at it, it all makes sense because it works

849
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: well for Viveke, it works well for Trump. But if

850
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: someone's like, well, I really think Viveke is going to

851
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: be the guy, I got news for them. Trump has

852
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: zero concern that Viveke is going to beat him or

853
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: else he would be taking this in a very different

854
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: direction right now.

855
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 7: Eight hundred and two A two two eight A two.

856
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 7: By the way, if you disagree with this analysis of

857
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 7: the Theveke aspect of this run, and also if you

858
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 7: disagree with me that they're six people who are still alive,

859
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 7: I think everybody else should drop out. And I think

860
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 7: if Trump's not going to debate, there should only be

861
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 7: five people on the stage in September when we have

862
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 7: that debate out in Caligula.

863
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: You think, another thing I'll put out and maybe we'll

864
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: come back into this. Well, we have we have Tutor

865
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Dixon joining us as well, so we can get her

866
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: take on some of this. She'll be with us shortly,

867
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: but the numbers didn't move a lot. But my sense

868
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: is from looking at what the polls are and it's

869
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: all you know, nothing is pure science here. There's some

870
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: art to this. But Trump lost a little bit by

871
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: not showing up to this debate. Now, if that's all

872
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: that it is, that's all that it is. But there

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Speaker 2: Phenomenal guests joining us in this moment. Kevin O'Leary, mister

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Speaker 2: Wonderful from Shark Tank entrepreneur, investor, and the guy who

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here, great to beer.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Let's start. I know you're up on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to advocate for the small business men and

914
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: women of America, which is super important obviously, really the

915
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: engine of economic growth in so many ways. What headwinds

916
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: are they running into right now under this administration?

917
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 4: Like what are they doing?

918
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: What is this White House or this Congress doing wrong

919
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: when it comes to the small businesses of America.

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00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 9: Well, let me paint the picture, because I deal with

921
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 9: this every day. I've got over thirty portfolio companies, primarily

922
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 9: first and second generation families in America. You know, we

923
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 9: think about our economy. A lot of people don't know this.

924
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 9: The S and P five hundred massive companies, biggest index

925
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Speaker 9: in the world, but they only represent forty percent of employers.

926
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Speaker 9: And many of the people at work for the S

927
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Speaker 9: and P five hundred, those giant companies, those employees are

928
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Speaker 9: outside of the United States, almost in some cases half

929
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Speaker 9: of them, depending on the company. So domestically, who employs

930
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Speaker 9: all of us? It's small business, and so what I'm

931
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 9: frustrated about is right now. You remember the beginning of

932
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Speaker 9: this latest banking crisis when Silicon Valley Bank and unfortunately

933
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 9: run by idiots, went to zero, but that caused a

934
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Speaker 9: ripple effect, and what's occurring now is the regulators of

935
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Speaker 9: small regional banks, there's about four thousand, one hundred and

936
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Speaker 9: sixty of them, which really bank and provide credit for

937
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 9: small business in America, are under tremendous pressure. They're being

938
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Speaker 9: required to change how much capital they have liquid on

939
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Speaker 9: their balance sheets, and basically what that means is they're

940
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 9: closing their loan books, so it's very, very hard to

941
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Speaker 9: borrow money anymore. This is happening at the same time

942
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Speaker 9: that Congress has done a trillion dollars with a paper

943
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Speaker 9: printing which even hasn't gone off the door yet, and

944
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Speaker 9: it's called the Inflation Reduction Act, the IRA, and the

945
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Speaker 9: other one is the Chips and Science Act. All of

946
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Speaker 9: that money is one of the big guys, all of it,

947
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Speaker 9: not some of it, all of it, one hundred percent

948
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Speaker 9: of it to S and P five hundred companies. So

949
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Speaker 9: he asked me why the stock market's doing so well.

950
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Speaker 9: It's because it's got this unlimited lift of printed paper

951
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 9: to go to them for free. It's basically free money,

952
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 9: and yet nothing for the small guy, nothing, absolutely nothing.

953
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 9: Now that is totally screwed up, imbalanced, not fair. And

954
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Speaker 9: I'd argue on American.

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Speaker 7: Am I crazy? And the answer may well be yes,

956
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Speaker 7: So don't be afraid to say that. People out there like, yes,

957
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 7: you're crazy. It seems to me that we have never

958
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Speaker 7: had a more or financially illiterate group of leaders, both

959
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 7: Republicans and Democrats, but in particular the Democrat Party has

960
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 7: totally lost its way when it comes to business. As

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Speaker 7: a guy who is focused primarily on business, do we

962
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Speaker 7: have good representatives from a financial perspective at all in

963
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Speaker 7: your mind?

964
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Speaker 9: You know, it's a great question. And my answer is,

965
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Speaker 9: having now spent almost a year and a half going

966
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Speaker 9: to Congress sometimes twice a month, it's a mixed bag.

967
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Speaker 9: And it's really about executional skills at the state level.

968
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Speaker 9: And where I look at states, I look at the governor.

969
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 9: You can consider the governor of state as the CEO.

970
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 9: A lot of the policy around what happens. So I've

971
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Speaker 9: stopped investing in states like New York, for example, or

972
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Speaker 9: Massachusetts or California. I don't put a dime in those places.

973
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 9: They're not open for business and their taxes are too high.

974
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 9: My new focus is on places like North Dakota, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida.

975
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 9: To those let's call the managers, governors, senators, whatever you want.

976
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Speaker 9: They're executing towards pro business, whether it be big or small.

977
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Speaker 9: And they've made it that. There's a very interesting dynamic

978
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Speaker 9: occurred after the pandemic. We have competition between states. Now,

979
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Speaker 9: why would you ever put money in Massachusetts where Elizabeth

980
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 9: Warren wants to take it from you if you're successful,

981
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 9: or where AOC make sure that no new jobs come

982
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 9: to her jurisdiction. Why would you even go there? Why

983
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 9: fight with those people? If they want to destroy their states,

984
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Speaker 9: let them do that. I'll take my money and go

985
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 9: to where I welcomed, where I can sit now with

986
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Speaker 9: the governor Bergham who's now running for president, and say

987
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 9: what can we do together here? What can we invest in?

988
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 9: Same with Florida, same with Texas. So I want to

989
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 9: encourage people to make economic decisions wisely and to make

990
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 9: sure that the people that vote for these individuals. And

991
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 9: I'm not saying Elizabeth Warren isn't a very successful politician.

992
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 9: She is, I just hate her policy, and I think

993
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 9: that's a fair debate to have. I'm going to be

994
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Speaker 9: going to the legislature in Massachusetts in October. I do

995
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Speaker 9: some work at Harvard where I teachs, you know, young

996
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 9: entrepreneurs and engineers, and I want to make sure that

997
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Speaker 9: we can get into a solid debate about good policy investcy.

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Speaker 2: If we could get you and some of their staffs

999
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: actually listen to the show, Kevin, we're speaking of Kevin o'liary,

1000
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Speaker 2: mister wonderful of Shark Tank. For anybody who's joining us

1001
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: in progress here, if we can get you to sit

1002
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Speaker 2: down with all of the Republican candidates right now at once,

1003
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Speaker 2: and you could give them one thing that you believe

1004
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Speaker 2: would be most important, useful, powerful for helping small business

1005
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Speaker 2: and really with it just the broader economy. I mean,

1006
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Speaker 2: if you could get one thing right in front of them,

1007
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Speaker 2: so whether it's Trump or whomever, if they end up

1008
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Speaker 2: beating Biden, they could pursue it.

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Speaker 9: What would it be? Right now? I see this trum.

1010
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Speaker 9: I'd call it imbalance between the support that the SMP

1011
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 9: is getting the big companies in America and what we're

1012
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 9: not doing for small business. And so we have programs.

1013
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Speaker 9: We have two big ones right now, and I want

1014
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Speaker 9: to be very specific about this, and I've actually done

1015
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Speaker 9: this with both Republicans and Democrats. Set them down. When

1016
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Speaker 9: I get to the hill, I'm very fourthh they'll take

1017
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Speaker 9: a meeting and their staff just as importantly and say, okay,

1018
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 9: let me get this right. You have authorized a trillion

1019
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 9: dollars for the S and P five hundred and two

1020
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Speaker 9: specific acts, the Chips and Science Act and the Inflation

1021
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 9: Reduction Act, the IRA. Where in those bills, because I've

1022
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 9: looked at them, you show me anywhere where you're supporting

1023
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 9: small business, your own constituents, in your own geography that

1024
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 9: represents sixty percent of the jobs created in your state.

1025
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 9: Where's the support for them? And there isn't a single

1026
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 9: active act right now at a time when they need

1027
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 9: it more than the big guys. The big guys have

1028
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 9: no trouble raising money right now. The cost of capital

1029
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 9: for small businesses four to five percent all the way

1030
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 9: up to eleven to seventeen percent matter of eighteen months,

1031
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 9: and nobody cares about them. So the only act I

1032
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 9: know that's active, and I know you guys promote this

1033
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 9: quite a bit on your platform. Is the employee retention credit.

1034
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 9: I also do that. I've got a business called Wondertrust

1035
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 9: dot com and all of my companies have applied for

1036
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 9: this and hundreds more. And I go out of my

1037
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 9: way to say to those senators and governors, you extend

1038
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Speaker 9: this act for me for twenty four months, for everybody

1039
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 9: in America that deserves to get access to this capital

1040
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Speaker 9: that they actually paid into. Because what's going on here

1041
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 9: is my companies and many others millions more market during

1042
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 9: the pandemic in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, we paid

1043
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 9: our employees. We paid them even though they couldn't work,

1044
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 9: We kept them on payroll, We invested in them, our

1045
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 9: businesses and America. And now you give us nothing. I

1046
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 9: don't get it, and that has not fallen on deaf years.

1047
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 9: I've even gone all the way to the Wayans Committee

1048
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 9: and I've talked to the chairman and said, think about this.

1049
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 9: You're going to have to do some think for these

1050
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 9: small guys when things get worse than the months ahead. Meanwhile,

1051
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 9: at the farm, you've made sure that everybody in the

1052
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 9: SMP is just dripping with cash and nothing for the

1053
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 9: small guy. Extend this act for twenty four months.

1054
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Speaker 7: We've talked a lot on this program about red getting

1055
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 7: redder and blue getting bluer. You just kind of hinted

1056
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Speaker 7: at this about the importance of federalism. The governor, the

1057
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Speaker 7: CEO of a state. I don't know what state your

1058
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 7: home base is in. Now you can maybe tell people,

1059
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Speaker 7: because I'd be curious. But if you were advising someone

1060
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Speaker 7: young today and they were saying, Hey, I'm thinking about

1061
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Speaker 7: starting a small business, and I could base that small

1062
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Speaker 7: business anywhere in the country, where would you tell them

1063
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Speaker 7: it would make sense to go, and how much of that?

1064
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Speaker 7: I feel fortunate? Bucks now in Florida. I'm in Tennessee.

1065
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Speaker 7: We have no state income tax. The idea that I

1066
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Speaker 7: would pay fourteen or fifteen percent of my hard earned

1067
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Speaker 7: income to the state of New York, or to California

1068
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Speaker 7: or to any other state is crazy to me. But

1069
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Speaker 7: I'm curious. We get a lot of questions, as Buck

1070
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Speaker 7: and I do. Hey, let's say you're twenty years old

1071
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Speaker 7: and you're about to graduate from college and you're interested,

1072
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Speaker 7: or you're just twenty years old and you're you've got

1073
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 7: an entrepreneurship bug. Where would you tell them if they

1074
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 7: could go anywhere in the country that you see the

1075
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Speaker 7: most dynamic business environments that they should consider founding a company.

1076
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, you know that's you've hit the nail

1077
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 9: on the head. There's a reason Nashville has exploded over

1078
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 9: the last eighteen years. There's very few cities growing as

1079
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 9: fast as Nashville. Why a well managed state with no

1080
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Speaker 9: state tax. The same things happening in Florida, the same

1081
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 9: things happening in Texas. The same thing is happening in

1082
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Speaker 9: North Dakota. They just lowered their state tax. It's not

1083
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Speaker 9: zero yet, but they're on their way there. Every state

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Speaker 9: that I look at that has moved towards pro business

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Speaker 9: and lower state tax is growing. So if you're starting

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Speaker 9: a business, and I advise all of my young entrepreneurs, look,

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00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 9: you can run a business today from anywhere because forty

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00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 9: percent of your employees are not going to work headquarters.

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00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 9: That's post pandemic. That's what's occurred. That's our new economy

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00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 9: America two point zero digital, and that means don't stick

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00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 9: it in a place where they hate you, where they

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 9: put regulation on you. Where they overtax you and they

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 9: don't want you to start a business. They don't want

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Speaker 9: any jobs. Don't put it anywhere near AOC, for example.

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Speaker 9: And why would you ever do it in Massachusetts where

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00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 9: Elizabeth one wants to tax you if you're successful. What

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00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 9: built this country and makes it great is entrepreneurs, and

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00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 9: that's who apploys sixty percent of the people. We now

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00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 9: have this fantastic dynamic of states competing with each other.

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Speaker 9: Reward the good managers, the good governors, the senators with

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Speaker 9: your vote and your business, and make sure that you're

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Speaker 9: punitive to ones that are not pro business. And let's

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00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 9: hope they get voted out of power because they are

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Speaker 9: not doing their job and not carrying forward the American dream.

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00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 9: Anytime you tax someone into oblivion and you just take

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00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 9: the government and overregulate rules, you are forcing those businesses

1107
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 9: to do the right thing. And that's simply move. That's

1108
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 9: how it works.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, How worried are you about a major downturn in

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00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 2: the economy over the next call it year or so.

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00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been told for many months. I used

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00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: to see the Goldman Sachs projection, Oh sixty percent likelihood

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: of our recession in the next quarter whatever. Going back

1114
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: now for a while under the Biden administration's tenure, are

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00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: do you feel like we're out of the woods or

1116
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 2: are we still just hoping and praying?

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Speaker 9: You know? That's that is the question for every investor

1118
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 9: in America trying to figure out this extraordinary situation we're in.

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 9: I mean, let's just take stock of what we know.

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Speaker 9: We know that we have had the fastest rate high

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00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 9: cycle in almost history. It's very rare that we've gone

1122
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 9: from basically zero to five percent in a matter of months.

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00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 9: That never happens. And five and a half percent, we

1124
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 9: also know, and this is extraordinary and I've never seen

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00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 9: it before. We're still at full employment. Anything under four

1126
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 9: percent unemployment is full employment. So not only is your

1127
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 9: cost of capital gone through the roof, but you still

1128
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 9: can't hire anybody to work in your business. And at

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 9: the same time, we have the trillion dollars of free

1130
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 9: helicopter money coming in these two acts I talked about

1131
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 9: the IRA and the CHIPSAC and so this is a

1132
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 9: really strange force. We have inflation going up, and yet

1133
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 9: we're still printing money like a South American dictatorship. I mean,

1134
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 9: it's just unbelievable what's going on here. We actually don't

1135
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 9: need all this money at this point, but we're trying

1136
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 9: to do some things. And you can blame any administration

1137
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 9: because they're always trying to figure out ways to print

1138
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 9: money and get votes. I get that, But this situation

1139
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 9: now is an extraordinary one because we've got a lot

1140
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 9: of pressure points. So when people tell me, well, you know,

1141
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 9: there's a sixty percent chance of a recession in the

1142
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 9: next six months, they have no idea what's going to happen.

1143
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 9: Nobody does. And so when we're planning in our businesses,

1144
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 9: which we do each week, we plan for every outcome.

1145
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 9: Right now, it looks like a soft landing, but nobody

1146
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 9: knows that with certainty. So you've really got to conserve

1147
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 9: your cash. You've got to make sure that you have

1148
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 9: access to capital for inventory, and you've got to keep

1149
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 9: an eye on your receivables and run your business. Is

1150
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 9: a good manager, same for a state, same idea for

1151
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 9: the country. And so we're at an inflection point where

1152
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 9: rather a remarkable presidential cycle coming up here for a

1153
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 9: million different reasons, and you guys have talked about it

1154
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 9: quite a bit, but at the end of the day,

1155
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 9: what you're voting for, and I don't care what party

1156
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 9: you're with, vote for good policy. What drives America is

1157
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 9: good policy. I've never made money in politics. I make

1158
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 9: money in good policy and capital and money, domestic and international.

1159
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 9: Follo US a path of least resistance. You want to

1160
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 9: make America, America and American business the least resistive. You

1161
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 9: want everybody to invest their money here.

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Speaker 7: Quickly, last question for where you what's the best investment

1163
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 7: you've ever made in your life? What is the one

1164
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 7: that you regret not investing in? Because people think a

1165
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 7: lot about the successes, but I'm also curious what you

1166
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 7: passed on and you're like, oh, I was an idiot.

1167
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: I should have one hundred percent gone all in on that.

1168
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's a good one. Let me tell you

1169
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 9: what I've learned. And this goes back to Shark Tank.

1170
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 9: I've been doing Shark Tank for fifteen years. I've seen

1171
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 9: thousands of pitches. I've looked at thousands of deals and

1172
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 9: each year, I do you know, fifteen seventeen, twenty deals,

1173
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 9: whatever it is, And I'm pretty sure when I'm making them,

1174
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 9: I know what I'm doing and I'm saying to myself,

1175
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 9: that's going to be a winner. That's going to be

1176
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 9: a winner. You basically think, you know. The truth is,

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 9: you have no idea. What happens three four, five years

1178
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 9: later is the ones that you thought were dogs end

1179
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 9: up being monster hits. I'll give you an example when

1180
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 9: I just had a huge liquidity event in this woman

1181
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 9: comes on three years ago. Anna Sky was her name Skaya,

1182
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 9: Anna Skaya, and she had a company called bass Pause.

1183
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 9: You take a swab, you stick it in a cat

1184
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 9: where the sun doesn't shine. You send it into the

1185
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 9: lab and she tells you your cat DNA and it

1186
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 9: can help the cat have a longer life. And I

1187
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 9: said to her, what are you out of your friggin mind?

1188
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 9: I can buy your you're this is twenty nine ninety five.

1189
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 9: I can buy a new cat for five bucks. A

1190
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 9: lot of cat people didn't like that comment.

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Speaker 7: In America, I invest.

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Speaker 9: I get it, I don't you know. Anyways, what happened

1193
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 9: was she said she was so compelling, such a great entrepreneur,

1194
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 9: such a really driving force on that set. No one

1195
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 9: wanted to invest her, and they thought the whole idea

1196
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 9: was stupid. I gave her the dough. Three years later,

1197
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 9: she sells the business to one of the largest pet

1198
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 9: divisions of a giant pharmaceutical company for over fifty million cash.

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Speaker 9: It was one of my best outcomes ever, and I

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01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 9: thought that gives you an example. You just have no idea.

1201
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 9: It's serendipitous luck sometimes. So I do a lot of deals,

1202
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 9: and you know I've been working with Let me give

1203
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 9: example Barbara for example. She doesn't even look at the number,

1204
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 9: looks at it. So I like the guy. I like

1205
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 9: the gal. I'm gonna invest in him. And by the way,

1206
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 9: the only recent Barbara gets to shark take every year

1207
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 9: is I buy her a new broom.

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Speaker 2: got with that website.

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Speaker 9: It's wonder trust dot com. And I've got a team

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Speaker 9: twenty six dollars per employee. I work very hard at this.

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1216
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Speaker 2: thank you so much take.

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