1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Gentlemen and Katie, this is final thoughts Manifest. I'm strong 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: and one. Also, when is an Indian not an Indian? 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Stay with us, won't you. 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: Donnor feather? 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: If you missed our loving tribute to aussy curiosity, Jack Carlson, 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: the Democracy Manifest guy at during the Armstrong and Getty 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: radio show Slash Armstrong and Getdy on demand podcast, you 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: missed a good time. But there's a little more stuff 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: we want to get to, including what do we do 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: the fairly recent interview he did, Let's go ahead and 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: listen to that. Did you ever think when you sat 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: down for that succulent Chinese meal that all these years 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: later you would be a social media super stuff? 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that, or I don't even know 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: if that's happening now? 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: Is there? 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: Oh? 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, surely you've been still in. 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: The streets numerous occasions. 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: What was the succulent Chinese meal? 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: I forget what it was made. I used to eat 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: plenty of stuff there, and we're we're eating it now. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: We're in the same rest not the same restaurant, but 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 3: the same excellent succulent Guinese food. 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: But there were some pretty crazy theories flying around what's 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: the wildest one you've heard over the years. 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: One of them was that they thought I was a 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: Hungarian chess player. I don't speak with a Hungarian accents. 30 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Play. Yeah, I think there was one where he was 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: a UFO come down from Mars at one stage two. 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: What's more likely, Jack, that you're an alien or that 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: you're a test grandmaster. 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Now, I'm just doing the best I can to stay. 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Out of jail, So just go ahead. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: I was just letting you know that other voice that 37 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: you heard that said that others thought he was an alien. 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: That was one of the cops that arrested him. They 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 4: were having lunch together. 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: Wow, Uh so is a guy kooky like super kookie? 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Just I think so? Troubling childhood, orphanage, petty crime, spent 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: half of his early life in jail and then tried to, 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, stay out of jail, but was still you know, 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: for instance, allegedly snarf and Chinese food with a stolen 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: credit card. 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 2: Was he drunk when he did that whole thing? 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: He where's the where's the headlock? One? Michael? We have 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: that one. I love that one. 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: I have a little short headlock. 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: I do have this one though. 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: And her. Are you waiting to receive lent venus? 53 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: All right? 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: What? 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: He was drinking a nice glass of whiskey, and during 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: that last clip we heard. 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so he's a drinker. Yeah, and leave your 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 2: LP out of it. I just I don't want to 59 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: hear about it. 60 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Nobody does, really Yeah? 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh? 62 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: And anyway, at one point we discussed the possibility or 63 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: or surely the existence of remixes. I guess we have 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: at least one remix of his screed. Let's hear that, 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: all right? 66 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: Look at the head bok, Look at that headlong, look 67 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: at that head bond, look at that head bobbing and jewish? 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: How are you waiting to receive it? 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Surely there's there's better than that. 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like they emphasized the genitalia 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: portion of his screed more than I need. 72 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 4: You know, I was digging and digging for that was 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: the best one that I could find on the internet. Yeah, 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: all the other ones. There was one with a symphony, 75 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: but all the levels were off of the music was 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: way too loud to be able to hear him. 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: It's just funny that people do that. You have to 78 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: do something with your day, but Yeah. 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Anyway, what a character. I wish I'd been his manager 80 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: back in the day. So we got this email, Jack, 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: I thought you might find it interesting. It's from anonymous 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: guys a long time listener here. I grew up in Cheyenne, Wyoming, 83 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: named after an Indian tribe, lived in the Indian Hills 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: subdivision on Shoshone, also an Indian Tribe street, and went 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: to Cheyenne Central High School where a mascot was you 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: guessed it, the Indian. I'm a white girl who's taught 87 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: the history of our state and with that reverence for 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: the many tribes who reside there in their plight when 89 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: the white man showed up. Please tell oh, so she's 90 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: talking about your discussion of being in quote unquote Indian country. 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: She also says next year he needs to go to 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: the Cheyenne Frontiers Frontier Days last week of July and 93 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: witness the daddy of them all. Okay, cool, best known, 94 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: big rodeo, largest versus awesome. 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: Sounds awesome. 96 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: They also sell delicious Indian tacos, whatever that is. 97 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, being in a variety of places in Wyoming, Montana, 98 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: and South Dakota, and my youngest son is a superhistory buff, 99 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: which is fine with me because I am also. And 100 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: we listened to some documentaries and YouTube lectures and sort 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 2: of stuff as we were headed to, for instance, the 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: Battle of the Little Big Horn site where George Custer 103 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: met his end there and watched all that stuff before 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: we walked around and gave it a lot of background 105 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: information and everything like that. But it's a tough thing. 106 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 2: Our take over the years in the Armstring and Getty 107 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: Show has just been you know, the history of the 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: world is people take what they can and always have, 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: always will and Indian tribes took what they could from 110 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: various injur tribes and very violent ways all the time too. 111 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: But it's not it's not comfortable and enjoy if you 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: go through the history of US making deals with various 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: tribes and then completely violating them over and over again. Yeah, 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: it's just it's abhorrent. It's horrifying, and in particular to 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: the Black Hills of this of South Dakota. So what 116 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: led to Custer's death, Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull the 117 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: tribes from South Dakota and the Black Hills was there 118 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: like religious Land, It would be like the Israel and Jerusalem, 119 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: a similar sort of thing, and and so they just 120 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: they needed to keep that because that's their sacred land. 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: They're going back forever and with the gods they believe 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: in and everything like that. And we said, oh, yeah, sure, 123 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: you can keep that, Okay, fine. Then gold was discovered 124 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: there and all of a sudden we decide no, no, 125 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: you can't. You gotta go. And then they're like, well, 126 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: we're not leaving, We're not. This is be like telling 127 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: the israel Is you have to leave Jerusalem. We discovered 128 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: gold there, so you gotta go. They're not going to 129 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: They're going to fight to the death for that. And 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: the Indians fought to the death for that, and Crazy 131 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Horse led they got together a whole bunch of different 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: Indian tribes who also believed that there was their sacred 133 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: land and went to war with the cavalry. And Custer 134 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: went out there because he was one of the greatest 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: Indian fighters in American history and thought he was on 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: to about six hundred warriors when he came over the hill. 137 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Turns out there was twenty five hundred of him, and 138 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: he got wiped out and died. But eventually, you know, 139 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: our equipment and mass as the United States overwhelmed them, 140 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: and then when Crazy Horse finally surrendered the white flag 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: and everything like that, then they stabbed him to death 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: to make sure that he couldn't, you know, band anybody together. 143 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: And it's a pretty rough story. It's not you know, 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: it's not something to be proud of. I realized that 145 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: he is a history of the world, but still. 146 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: Well right exactly, And that's the miserable failing of the 147 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: woke crowd. You can recognize the abhorrence of several of 148 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: the things you mentioned there, but understand, in the age 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: of conquest, that is how virtually everybody was acting. It 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: was very much a dog eat dog, snatch up territory 151 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: and resources world. That doesn't make it right, but it's 152 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: like I was discussing the other day with my wife. 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: We were at a historical site that was talking about 154 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: slavery and that sort of thing, and it had a 155 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: map of the flow of the African slaves to the 156 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: United States, and I said, that map is accurate, but 157 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: what it leaves out is that eighty percent of the 158 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: slaves went here. I pointed to Brazil and here the Caribbean. 159 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: The vast, vast, vast majority did not come to the 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: United States, they went to other places in an era 161 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: when slavery was ubiquitous. It was everywhere. Everybody was enslaving everybody. 162 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: So I don't for a second deny the evil, but 163 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: you've got to view it in the context of the time. 164 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: And then you know, giving the Indians land, but just 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: like the worst land in America, he couldn't grow anything 166 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: on just barren, cold, windy land. Ear if you want to, 167 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: you can't live over there where you can grow stuff, 168 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: And killed off the buffalo by the millions because that 169 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: was so important to the tribes to be able to survive, 170 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: so that it would be impossible for them to survive. 171 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: They didn't have all of the resources that came with 172 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: the buffalo herds. It's just it's definitely an ugly story. 173 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: It was. It was, you know, fit in perfectly with 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: the times, but still still an ugly story. And then 175 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: you go more modern than that, having driven through a 176 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: couple of Indian reservations, now you get to the how 177 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: socialism doesn't work, and it should be so evident by 178 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: looking at the Indian reservations. You cross over from you know, 179 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: the regular United States of America and everything that is 180 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: with a little town that's functioning fine. You cross a 181 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: line all of a sudden you're an Indian reservation and 182 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: it's like you're in a different country. Well you practically are, 183 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: it's a sovereign land. But it's just it's just the 184 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: squalor and the filth, and the people sitting around ground drunk, 185 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: and it's just it's just horrifying. Yeah, living off the 186 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: dependence of all these programs that are supposed to help 187 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: them somehow, the whole thing is ugly. I wish there 188 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: was a way to fix it somehow. I'll tell you what. 189 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: The best way to fix it is, get the hell 190 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: off the Indian Reservation. 191 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely true. And I've at this point, I've been 192 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: saying this for a very long time. Yeah, that's it's 193 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: such a miserable, hopeless life to be dependent on the government. 194 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: And with all respect to the things you said about 195 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: history and all, you can preserve your culture and have 196 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: it thrive and and talk about the old ways and 197 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: have a very happy life in the modern world. And 198 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: it's it's I can't get inside the head of somebody 199 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: who rejects that in favor of staying on the reservation 200 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: as a I don't want to say gesture. I don't 201 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: want to be at all dismissive, because again I haven't 202 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: lived this life, but somebody choosing that misery as opposed 203 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: to finding a way to preserve and promote their history 204 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: and culture. Outside of that just absolute vacuum of joy. 205 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: And there were subsequent presidential administrations that decided what we 206 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: had done was horrible, and we passed various resolutions apologizing 207 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff over the years. Whether 208 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: that was heartfelt or not, I do not know, but 209 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: it was impossible for me. And I don't know what 210 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: the average person does, like when they go to the 211 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: battlefield of the Little Bighorn, to not have been rooting 212 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: for the injury Indians and take great joy in the 213 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: fact that they killed Custer. And I don't know why 214 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: do that. I don't know if it's just the oppressed 215 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: oppressor thing that we all have just kind of naturally, 216 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: where you root for the underdog, I mean, and they 217 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: were being screwed, absolutely screwed out of something they'd been promised, 218 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: so it was hard not to be, you know, think 219 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: cool glad they died, which is weird because well, because 220 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: for the obvious reasons. 221 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Anybody who thinks we the people have not 222 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: done ugly, unforgivable things as a fool, and anybody who 223 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: thinks that makes us uniquely evil. 224 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: Is a fool, right, or that there's somebody better out there, 225 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: which country you're going to point to that that hasn't 226 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: happened on their land at some point, including recently if 227 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: you want to get into you know, like areas like 228 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: Serbia and that part of the world, or Africa, what's 229 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: going on right now? 230 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: The Middle East? Of course, Yeah, well, I guess that's it.