1 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Yea. Let's start today's episode with a quotation from The 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: New York Times on March tenth, eighteen seventy six. We'll 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: just give you the headline here, flesh descending in a shower, 4 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: an astounding phenomenon in Kentucky, fresh meat like mutton or 5 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: venison falling from a clear sky. Yea, yes, they said 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: like mutton or like venison. But what was it? Hi, 7 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, Okay, I'm no, and uh it's rain and 8 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: meat rain. Yeah, it was a singer when I walked in. 9 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Why you gotta one on me? Ben? Now you didn't 10 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: even right. It's rating min No, that's true. Oh but 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: we are also joined by our super producer, Casey Pegram, 12 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: and this is the first time the three of us 13 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: have been back on the show together in a little 14 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: in a little while, isn't it. Yeah, I guess it 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: has been a minute, probably like a like a month 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: or something. Oh yeah, that voice from the sky like 17 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: like like showers of meat in our ears. Super producer 18 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram, Man, I've missed you, guys, missed you. I know. 19 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: It's weird. Casey was in France for a while and 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: then we were away and then I was away last week, 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: and here we are. Here we are, and we decided, 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: now that the three of us have reunited after far 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: too long, that we were going to pick up our 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: continuing mission to do an episode for every state in 25 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the United States. Uh, and we're going to hopefully succeed. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Where Sufyan paused for a second, he just I think 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: it was a troll. Honestly, I don't think he had 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: any intention of doing it. He only made two. Maybe 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: he's got a back cat. Maybe he's just really stuck 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: on Rhode Island. You mean, like a vault maybe unreleased 31 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: state records that no one's gonna ever hear, sort of 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: like J. D. Salinger had all those stories that no 33 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: one saw him laughters. Idn't know that, Yeah, but hopefully 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: a little bit different. Well, speaking of stories, speaking of stories, 35 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: no we got one today. We do. We do, so 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: this episode will count for our our Kentucky episode, right 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: And from this headline you can tell that we're describing 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: something pretty bizarre. You see, back in March nine of 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: what do we say eighteen seventy six? Yeah, back in 40 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: March ninth in Bath County, Kentucky, there was someone named 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: Alan Crouch. This guy lived about two or three miles 42 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: from a place we've seen alternately called Olympian Springs in 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: the original New York Times piece, but then later called 44 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: what was that Olympia Springs? Who knows? Who knows? Probably 45 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the people that lived there, right, And Mrs Crouch was 46 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: out in the yard at the time. She was making soap, 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: and then she looked around. She heard the pitter pattern 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: of what she thought was, you know, maybe the beginning 49 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: of rain on a clear day without a cloud in 50 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: the sky. And she looked around, and what was falling 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: in her yard was not rain, not precipitation. It was meat. Yeah, 52 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: in an event that would go down in history as 53 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: the Great Kentucky Meat Shower, which is not some kind 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: of crazy mullet right right, or or weird euphemism. Also, 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: I love the fact that they added great to the 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: name because it implies that there were some other relatively 57 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: mediocre there. There had to have been some lesser meat showers. Um, 58 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: But what what happened? Why? Why why was meat raining 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: from the sky? And it wasn't. It wasn't just like 60 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: little pieces of meat. It was like all kinds of 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: from sized pieces of meat. Yes, yeah, the ones that 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Mrs Crouch saw where three to four inches square, so 63 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: pretty substantial, you know. And other people saw this too, 64 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't just Mrs Crouch. And people try to immediately 65 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: figure out what this could be. And we have to 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: remember that the people in this area at this time 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: were well aware of other anecdotal stories of strange things 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: falling from the sky rains of fish, for instance, you know, 69 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: or or a rain of stones, but these were often 70 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: considered to be um stories of old you know, things 71 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: you would read about in ancient text. Is there anything 72 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: in the Bible about a plague of meat rain? Surely 73 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: there's some sort of supernaturalesque rain, but I don't think 74 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: it's just straight up meat. Was there's frogs? Yeah yeah, frogs. Yeah, 75 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: they will eventually become meat. I mean, if you're ambitious. 76 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Not only did other people see it, 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: but to people in the area got their gumption up 78 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: and they said, there's one easy way to figure out 79 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: what kind of meat this is. Let's taste it. M M. Yeah. 80 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: There was a guy um named Harrison gil who was 81 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: nearby and who the New York Times article refers to 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: as having unquestionable veracity. So he he spoke the truth. Um, 83 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: and he was seeing these pieces of meat like sticking 84 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: to fences and all scattered every which where. And yeah, 85 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: he was one of the ones that decided, let's give 86 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: it a taste. And um. It was kind of argued 87 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: between some of the tasters, the intrepid sky meat tasters 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: whether it was bare or possibly venison or a popular 89 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: one was mutton, right because they described a slightly gamey 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: taste to it, and mutton and venison especially can meat game. 91 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I've never eaten bear, No I have either, but I 92 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: would assume it's super dark meat, very very gay, mean 93 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: all the mutton. To me, it would be the dead 94 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: giveaway because you know lamb and then he kind of 95 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: meat like mutton, has a very very distinct taste it 96 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: It tastes like anything else. Distinct, is the is the 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: correct word? I would think there. And I don't even 98 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: know if it's legal to eat a bear. That just 99 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm not living the kind of life where that's come up. Yet. 100 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: What about you, Well, this is in so that was 101 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: probably the wild West as far as bear meats. That's 102 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: a good point. That's a really good point. The first 103 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: explanation from a man of science at the time comes 104 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: from a guy named Leopold Brandy's about what three months 105 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: after the incident, he is able to get ahold of 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: some of the specimens, or it looks like a specimen, 107 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: but he gets some of it in a jar preserved 108 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: or a bottle preserved in glycerin, and he starts poking 109 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: around at it, and then he makes the declaration that 110 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: while this may appear to be meat, it is not 111 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: actually meet at all. Wait what, Yeah, that's what he said. 112 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: He said it was not in fact meat. He believed 113 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: it was something called no stock. No stock. Oh that's right. 114 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: This is like a like a plant based organism. Yeah. Yeah, 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: it's a Sino bacteria that comes actually from the soil, 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: from the ground. You can find out moist rocks, bottoms 117 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: of lakes and springs. It used to be called troll 118 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: butter or which jelly back in Europe. You're joking, No, 119 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: that's true. Those are amazing names for food products. I know, 120 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: I know, troll jelly or witch butter, troll butter, which jelly, 121 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: but I think either one, you know, they're both evocative. 122 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: This is great. I'm going to use those, yeah, just 123 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: for I don't know, I don't know why yet, but 124 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I love those. Yeah, I've I've been thinking the same thing. 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: And when this stuff is dry, it's pretty easy to miss. 126 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: But when it's when it's wet, it does have this 127 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: jelly like I guess you could say maybe meat esk 128 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: meat esque appearance. But Brandy said that it's pretty easy 129 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: to identify the subject he was He was, also, by 130 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: the way, convinced this was true. The Kentucky wonder is 131 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: no more or less than nostock, and people have known 132 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: about the nostock since the sixty hundreds. I mean, that's 133 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: how you get nicknames like which jelly. But how did it? Where? 134 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Where did it come from? What was his What was 135 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: his idea about how this stuff made it up in 136 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: the atmosphere and then showered down upon this relatively small area. 137 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: It goes back to when it is dry versus when 138 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: it is wet. So when this stuff is dried so inconspicuous, 139 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: people thought that it would float on the breeze until 140 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: it rained, and then when it was raining, the nostock 141 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: would absorb the moisture and then it would fall from 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: this guy as a jelly. Interesting, but that's not the 143 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: only theory that's not the only theory. That's not the 144 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: only theory. Um. Oh, we shall also mentioned those other nicknames, 145 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: Star slubber, I don't know what I want to care for, 146 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: that one that feels somehow dirty, and then star jelly, 147 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: which is still I don't know which is butter, which 148 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,359 Speaker 1: is jelly? Those are my picks. So he believed Brandy's 149 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: of course, believed that this was the absolute answer. But 150 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: the problem is that for his theory to be correct, 151 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: it would have had to have rained at some point, 152 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: or there would have had to be at least some 153 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: rain bearing clouds in the sky, you know what I mean, 154 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: because the non stock would have to absorb this moisture, 155 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a cloud in the sky. Is perfectly 156 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: clear day. And this meant that there were going to 157 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: be other theories. Like you said, no, what was What 158 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: was one of the other theories that came up? Yeah, 159 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: this is a pretty gross one. Um. It was this 160 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: notion from a guy named dr Ama Edwards who believed 161 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: that this meat stuff was actually lung from a horse 162 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: or possibly an infant, yes, a human child. And now 163 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: what's the deal with that? There there was a lot 164 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: of them. That is a lot of lung meat. You 165 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: don't have to have a lot of babies to make 166 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: that much lung meat. I mean we're talking like, you know, 167 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: sticking to the fences, bed scattered across the ground. Yeah, yeah, 168 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: that's the problem, right, that explanation, it's even tougher to believe, 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: but there is truth to it. Right. They examined seven 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: samples of this meat shower and they confirmed, I believe 171 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: two of them to be lung tissue, and three were 172 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: muscle tissue, and two were made of cartilage. So there 173 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: was lung tissue in there. But how would it come 174 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: from human infant specifically or a horse? And also how 175 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: similar are the lungs of a horse and the lungs 176 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: of a human infant apparently quite apparently distressingly similar, So 177 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: what gives People couldn't really answer that question, could they? 178 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: They said, They just said, because it's lung tissue, we 179 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: believe that it came from human infant or a horse. 180 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: But they didn't really explain how it could have gotten 181 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: there into the sky then onto the ground to Bath County. 182 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: That's the thing that no one seems to be looking 183 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: for that particular solution. They're more like, what's what's the meat. 184 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: It is the mystery of the meat, not about how 185 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: in the hell it ended up coming down from the sky. 186 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: That seems like the least of people's concerns, which is 187 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: strange because it makes you think about priorities, you know. 188 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: But again, there were more theories, right, some more plausible 189 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: than others. So one of my favorite theories that actually 190 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: does try to take a look at how this material 191 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: could have managed to make it up into the sky 192 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: and and and rain down upon these hapless people of 193 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: Olympia blames this occurrence on a meteor shower. Do tell 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: super meaty meteor shower? Um. So here's a quote from 195 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: the New York Times from William Livingston Alden. He wrote, 196 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: according to the present theory of astronomers, an enormous belt 197 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: of meteoric stones constantly revolves around the Sun, and when 198 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: the Earth comes in contact with this belt, she has 199 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: soundly pelted. Okay. He goes on to say, similarly, we 200 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: may suppose that there revolves around the Sun a belt 201 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: of venison, mutton, and other meats divided into small fragments 202 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: which are precipitated upon the Earth whenever the latter crosses 203 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: their path. Help me unpack that, Ben, I mean it 204 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: sounds like what it says on the tin. So how 205 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: likely do you think that is? Not? Mary? I actually 206 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: saw another version of this theory that said that this 207 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: was like potentially like alien meat. So this is space venice, 208 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: space meat and space nis alright, space mutton. So that 209 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: that idea is fascinating. I don't know if it's true. 210 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it. I don't want to be 211 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: a pessimist, you know, I don't want to shut the 212 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: guy down. What do you think, Oh, I mean it's bonkers. 213 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to live in a world 214 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: space venison. I don't know, man, I mean that's not 215 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to live in that world, just that 216 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that that world exists. How did they 217 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: get up there? I don't know that it was a 218 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: real jump. And this guy he's like, so here, there's 219 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: this thing called asteroids, an asteroid belt. So if there's 220 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: an asteroid belt, why couldn't there also be a similar 221 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: belt of meat. Maybe the guy was just very pro belt. 222 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't I think it was high. So speaking of high, 223 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: there may be another explanation, and it's an explanation that 224 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: involves animals, birds, your favorite your your favorites. And this 225 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: explanation originally came from an old farmer in Ohio, who, 226 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: upon uh learning of the meat shower, said, I have 227 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: an explanation. It's not space venison. It's not it's not 228 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: human lung tissue. It's nothing that you guys have said before. 229 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: It is, in fact, something that I've seen vultures do 230 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: in the past. He said that this deluge of meat 231 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: was actually a disgorgement of meat from vultures who are 232 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: flying too high to be visible from the ground. And 233 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: some vultures can fly as high as like a little 234 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: less than forty feet or twelve tho, so it'd be 235 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: tough to see them. And he said that this was 236 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: vulture vomit. And then a little bit later, a guy 237 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: named Dr. L. D. Castebine, writing in the Louisville Medical News, said, Yeah, 238 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: I think the farmer's right. I think this is vulture vomit. 239 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: And he obtained his own sample and he lit it 240 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: on fire and he's like, Ah, this is not just mutton, 241 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: it's rancid mutton. And this made him believe that the 242 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: culprits were vultures. They ate a dead sheep and they 243 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: flew off, but due to the weight of the meat 244 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: they were carrying in their bodies, they were having a 245 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: hard time flying, so they vomited in the sky to 246 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: make it easier for them to fly. What is the 247 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: thing the vultures do, kind of on the rag, they'll 248 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: unburden themselves of a heavy load of meat because you know, 249 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: they eat this stuff raw. They also have really acidic 250 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: stomachs to aid in this digestion, and so sometimes they're 251 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: so loaded down um from gorging themselves on you know, 252 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: Lincoln dead sheep, Like you said that, they have to 253 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: puke it up just so they can fly properly. And 254 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: some vultures even vomit on their feet to regulate their temperature. 255 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: That's disgusting. The vultures are filthy, disgusting creatures. They're very different. 256 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: They're very different things. Have you ever seen them up close, 257 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: just to the side of the road. Yeah, you know, 258 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't go for them, don't stop. I don't go 259 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: pick up those times. No, dude. Do you know what 260 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: a group of vultures is called? It's cool. There's there's 261 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: a different name for for them, depending on what they're doing. 262 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, later on, So a group of vultures 263 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: is a committee, a venue, or a vault, which I like, 264 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: which do you prefer? Um? I guess it depends on 265 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing a vault. Well, so then if they're 266 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: in flight, they're um a kettle. I think I've heard 267 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: that one yet. And if they're feeding in a group, 268 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: it's because the best one it's called awake. Yes, yeah, yeah, 269 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: But what's a vault. It's just like it's just general. 270 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: They're interchangeable. A group of vultus can be either a committee, 271 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: a venue, or a vault. Do you know what a 272 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: group of ravens is called? It's an unkindness, Yes, an 273 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: unkindness of ravens. So this vulture vomit explanation may not 274 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: be particularly enjoyable or I don't know, it's it can 275 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: be pretty disgusting, especially when consider those two guys ate it, 276 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: but it does give us the ability to conjecture a 277 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: little bit about how the vultures came to vomit over 278 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Bath County. First off, vultures don't tend to fly of 279 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: their own free will after they eat because they are digesting. 280 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: So this means that something must have startled the vultures. 281 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: We don't know what it was. Was it a sheep 282 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: on a mission of revenge? Was it a farmer discovering 283 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: the sheep and shooting at the vultures. Yeah. This is 284 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: coming from a great article from Motherboard called the Mystery 285 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: of the Kentucky Meat Shower by Kaylee Rogers, and she 286 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: actually speaks to the vice president for field Programs at 287 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: the Wildlife Conservation Society, who says his name is Joe Walston. 288 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: He says, if you want to take off quickly with 289 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: a huge amount of weight, the first thing you're going 290 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: to do is vomit, which I think applies to everyone, 291 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: you know. So I I also pulled some vulture facts 292 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: from this excellent book I want to recommend if you're 293 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: ready for a deep dive into human vulture relationships called 294 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: Carrie in Dreams. It's written by a guy named Benjamin 295 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: Joel Wilkinson, and as far as I can tell, man 296 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: he is just super into the history of vultures, and 297 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: he describes vulture is in folklore and mythology as well. 298 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you go back to the ancient days 299 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: of history, and one of the interesting things is that 300 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: when and where a vulture vomits is also considered significant 301 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: in certain cultures or folklore events. It's a sign which 302 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: is neat you know. For instance, here in Georgia, it 303 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: used to be common, you know, folk tale belief that 304 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: if you deeply desire something, all you have to do 305 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: is wish for it, as you throw a kiss at 306 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: a vulture, and your wish will come true. But you 307 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: had to be careful not to speak to a vulture 308 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: while it was flying overhead, because if you did and 309 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: it heard, you punish you by vomiting on you. So 310 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe is that really that really in there, that's really 311 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, I'm telling you. Carrie and Dreams is 312 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: a great book. It's also a very weird book. But 313 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: so if that's true, perhaps somebody spoke to a vulture 314 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: while it was flying over Kentucky. Well here's the thing too, 315 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: It's like this would have had to be a multiple, 316 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: a group puke session, a cattle whole kettle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 317 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: the whole the whole cattle puking, you know. On mass 318 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: um and and in this Motherboard article, they also speak 319 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: to the named Kurt Goad, who's an art professor at 320 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: Transylvania University in Lexington, UM and a self professed expert 321 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: in in meat showers. He proposes that this is definitely 322 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: the most likely scenario that would have happened, because all 323 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: of the meat was different sizes it came so, which 324 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: would have made sense if it had come from different 325 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: animals that were, you know, chewing and feeding on different 326 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: carcasses or whatever, and then ended up together. Uh. And 327 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't exactly ever figure out what types of animal 328 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: that came from, but it would have been from all 329 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: different kinds and that there was some you know, cartilage 330 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: and lung material in there as well. So it's certainly 331 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: was a mixed bag of meat. And here's the thing, 332 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: we don't know a exactly how much meat actually fell. 333 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: We don't have a measure of you know, x amount 334 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: of tons or this many pounds. Instead we have what's 335 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: the phrase they use in most of the news at 336 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: the time, They say it was enough to fill a 337 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: horse wagon full. And for most people these days, that's 338 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: not a it's not a very easy rule of thumb 339 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: kind of measurement. Right. So there's there's a defense that 340 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: Kurt comes up with in this Dr Goad. He says 341 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: that in eighteen seventy six. If you said, oh, it 342 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: was a horse wagon full of meat, that was the 343 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: equivalent now of saying it's like a big gulp from McDonald's. 344 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: So his argument is that horse wagons were ubiquitous enough 345 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: at the time that most people would have a rough 346 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: idea of what that size meant. I'm trying to picture 347 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: it him. Sorry, I'm picturing this, this wagon full of meat. 348 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: That's the thing is a lot. Is it a wagon 349 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: to carry horses or is it a wagon that horses 350 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: carry behind them? That makes a difference. That's true, And 351 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just picturing one of those standard UH 352 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: wagons with the little slats on the side that would 353 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: be pulled behind a horse. Yeah, where somebody sits up 354 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: and yeah. So either way, that's a distressing amount of 355 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: meat to fall from the sky. What do you think 356 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: is the mystery solved? Well, I mean, with the most 357 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: logical explanation being vulture vomit. I wonder how those towns 358 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: people felt about having, you know, snacked on some of 359 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: that stuff out of curiosity. I think I think at 360 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: the time eating raw meat wasn't quite as you know, 361 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: frowned upon. They weren't really worried about food born illnesses 362 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: so much. I think yeah, And I believe the idea 363 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: was that one wouldn't get sick if you just tasted it, 364 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: rather than you know, consuming a large amount of it 365 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: or a the amount that would be equivalent to a meal. 366 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: It certainly wouldn't have been like, oh, free food, I 367 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: don't know, from heaven. Yeah, manna, it's not a meaty 368 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: manna situation. There is a question here that we have 369 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: for you ridiculous historians. Which explanation do you think is 370 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: the most plausible or which do you wish was the 371 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: true story. So we've got let's see, we've got human flesh, 372 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: we've got no stock, we've got uh space venison, space meat, 373 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: we've got a curse from a vulture, and then of 374 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: course we just have a panicked vulture panics kettle of 375 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: vultures attempting to fly. I'll tell you, man, my favorite 376 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: my favorites personally are either the space venison or the 377 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: vulture curse. You are all about the space venecine. M Yeah, 378 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: that's what people say about me. I guess we should 379 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: add there are a couple more details that we can 380 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: add to these theories. One in terms of vulture behavior 381 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: is that have you ever seen those episodes of South 382 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: Park or Family Guy. It's on so many comedy shows, 383 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: this trope of one person throwing up and then every 384 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: one seen them throw up, and then they throw up 385 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: as well in reaction. Yeah, so vultures really do that. 386 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: That's the thing when when they are flying in a group, 387 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: if one goes, they all go. See this is this 388 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: has got to be the answer. Right, This doesn't invalidate 389 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: a vulture curse. It may mean that the vultures vomit 390 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: swarmed on them, cursing everyone in the town. So I 391 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: guess the moral of the story of that theory is 392 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: true is don't talk to vultures while they're busy, right, 393 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell anywhere near the ugly bastards. We had 394 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: some more details than on Is it a whole new theory? 395 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: Is it's something to add to Well? I was trying 396 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: to find a little more information about this supposed meat 397 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: meteor shower, but it's it's it's really not a whole 398 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: lot out there. It's it's it all kind of comes 399 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: down to that quote about how there may be a 400 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: belt of venison mutton and other meats divided into some 401 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: small fragments that are revolving around the sun, which is bizarre. 402 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: But there's another one. The woman I believe her name 403 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: was Mary Crouch, who was making soap um. She apparently 404 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: initially was scared that her husband uh and son I believe, 405 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: had been sucked up into the sky and shredded and 406 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: eviscerated by an angry god and then rained down upon 407 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: her uh in retribution for what soap who knows? Who knows? 408 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: Just being a sinner, it's an angry god up there, Ben, Yeah, yeah, 409 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: did you ever read that original sermon? Yeah, sinners in 410 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: the hand of an angry God's a wild one. We 411 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: should do an episode on that. We should, We should. 412 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: Actually I have a lot of that. I have a 413 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: lot of the work from that time. But for now, 414 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: we believe that we have solved to a great degree 415 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: the mystery of the Kentucky meat shower. We didn't do 416 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: it well, I say, we as the human species. Yeah. 417 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: Whatever people say we, they usually mean in a global 418 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: event like the human species. Right, I agree, I agree, 419 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: And I if I thought of a better musical theme 420 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: for this episode, actually better than a training meat what 421 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: is it? Red y is coming down, red rain, It's fallen, 422 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: which is a totally useless Peter Gabriel song to me, 423 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: but completely useful in this context. Well, you're welcome, Peter, 424 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: And what better note to end our show on today. 425 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Let us know, especially 426 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: if you happen to live in this area of Kentucky, 427 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: let us know if people still talk about this strange 428 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: event in eighteen seventies six, and if so, what do 429 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: they say about it? And have you heard of any 430 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: of the lesser meat showers of other locale I'm very 431 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: interested to hear that, yeah, Or have you heard of 432 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: any other extraordinary stories of things falling from the sky 433 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: in your neck of the Global Woods? If so, let 434 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: us know. 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Our research pals Christopher Hasciotas 443 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: and E's Jeff Cooke, and I believe Ben, we have 444 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: a new member to the Ridiculous History Research team as 445 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Christopher and Eves kind of move on to start working 446 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: on some stuff of their own. Yes, thank you to 447 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Gabrielle Losier who Funny Store used to also work with 448 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: mental flaws. It's awesome. I love that man. Happy to have. 449 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: So that's it for today, but stay tuned for next 450 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: time when we reveal way, wait, well did you hear that? 451 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: You know I heard it, Ben, I was gonna just 452 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: keep going. HiT's time, gentlemen. You know Nathan Strickland, the Quister, 453 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: really leaned into that. Are you well, it's been a 454 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: long time. I have to it has to make up 455 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: for lost time. It has been a long time. And 456 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: although we are swore nemesses, I just want to check 457 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: in real quick. How how you've been doing? Pretty good? 458 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: Pretty good? Kids are great, you know, uh, just like 459 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: kids in general interest general. I don't charged myself, but 460 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: you know, they seem to be going to school and 461 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: I understand that's a good thing. Yeah, things, are you 462 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: know things are fine. Did they learn about the Great 463 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: Kentucky Meat Shower in school or any of the other 464 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: showers that are implied by that title. Well, in fact, 465 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: we're going to be exploring a shower of our own. 466 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: My friends, get in the shower with me, My buddies, 467 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: come on in. Okay, a shower of the mind. The 468 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: weird animals are just fine. Now listen. We know that 469 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: I am part of the most cringe worthy segment and 470 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: all the podcasting and which I had the quisters show 471 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: up and I pose a scenario to the two of you, 472 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: and you determine whether or not it is actually representative 473 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: of a real thing what happened in history, or I 474 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: had done made it all up? Seats right, get three minutes. 475 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: You can discuss amongst yourselves for three minutes. A friend, 476 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: can we can we rope Casey into the No. If 477 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: you had friends, you could in fact phone them. But 478 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: I know for a fact that our friends. That's hurtful. 479 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: We're not friends. Are you kidding? I see? I always 480 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: confuse this. Okay, okay, But in addition to that, you 481 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: also add one arbitrary rule, right, so that if you 482 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: wish to ask any question to me. You must first 483 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: obey a rule of arbitrary nature that I make up 484 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: typically two minutes before I come in here. Okay, and 485 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: you have to do that in order to ask a question. 486 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: I will tell you what that rule is after I 487 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: have given you your scenario. All right, you know what. 488 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, I'm feeling all right. No, casey, I 489 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: think we got this. I will I'll give you the scenario. Okay, 490 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: I will give you your arbitrary rule, and then time 491 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: will begin, at which point I will vault over to 492 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: that gigantic grandfather clock, pull the poll cord, going yeah, alright, alright, 493 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: it gets really fumi in here. All right, here's your scenario. 494 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: In to end two. In Shropshire, England, locals were perplexed 495 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: by what they described as a rain of worms falling 496 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: upon the village in what amounted to thousands of worms, 497 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: covering the entire area, including the rooftops of several buildings. 498 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: The odd weather was met not with superstition and fear, 499 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: as we'd usually guess, but with a sort of bewildered amusement. However, 500 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: this historical event would later be immortalized by none other 501 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: than William Shakespeare. Who fudged the date so that it 502 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: happened more than a year later, on the eve of 503 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: the Battle of Shrewsbury, which features in Henry the Fourth, 504 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: Part one inact for seene one, Hairy hotspur Percy, the 505 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: leader of a rebellion against Henry the Fourth, says, yester een, 506 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: they do say that worms fell as though rain, fortune 507 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: is so disposed to us that nature herself turns against 508 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: this pretender king. In the mid nineteenth century, when Shakespeare's 509 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: as became more popular, Shropshire began what would become an 510 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: annual tradition, a festival day celebrating the rain of worms. 511 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: It happens every year on the second Saturday of April. 512 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: And your arbitrary rule is you must quote Shakespeare, any Shakespeare, 513 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: before asking me a question. Begin the time. I'm taking 514 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: a run for it. And we are okay, we're good. 515 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: You've made worms meat of me. You have a question? No, 516 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: I do, I do um, I don't know. I just 517 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: wanted to quote some Shakespeare. Don't really have any questions. 518 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: This is a good it's a good quote. Very well. 519 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: I bite my thumb at you. Romeo and Juliet reference 520 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: go ah, okay, so this festival. What's the name of 521 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: it again? It is known as the Rain of Worms Festival, 522 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: and it is second Saturday of every April. In your story, 523 00:30:54,760 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: it's ongoing. It is ongoing in your story, it is ongoing, Casey, 524 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: what do you think? Oh? Just for so wait, wait, 525 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: we're letting Casey come into this as earlier and you 526 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: ignored me and said I had no friends for everything. 527 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: For everybody listening, what happened when you heard that dead 528 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: air and those pauses between the quister and myself? I 529 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: was staring at him to read body language somewhat unsuccessfully. 530 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: All right, Casey, what's what's your take? Man? Oh boy? See, 531 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: I hate this because whenever you and nol are not 532 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: an agreement on something, I'm going to be the tiebreaker. 533 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: And I'm probably gonna get it wrong with this. I 534 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: don't know. We usually tend to be on the same 535 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: page pretty quickly. You do rock paper scissors every time, 536 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: so we've got to We've got a stick that works, man. 537 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: But that means that you're at opposition with one another. 538 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: If you were an agreement, you wouldn't have to do 539 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: rock paper scissors. That's what you can only really do. 540 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: Rock paper scissors with friends. I don't know if you 541 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends, Jonathan, but if you have 542 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: friends and you play rock paper scissors. Okay, look, we're 543 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: in a minute twenty. I kind to think this is true, 544 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: but I could be completely wrong, or it could be 545 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: from a different shape. But I'm just say or that's 546 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: kind of how this works, you know. I'm just skeptical 547 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: that they're of the Initially, I'm skeptical of a festival 548 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: built on worms, because people in general aren't wild about works. Wow, 549 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: this is this one's taken the longest because usually we 550 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: we've nailed something down by now we're at fifty seconds. 551 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say not feel you know what. I'm tempted 552 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: to say the same thing, just because it was so detailed. 553 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: You want to lock it in. Let's lock it in 554 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: and you'll come back if we're okay, alright, three to 555 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: one false false. You're correct, Yea. There was no reign 556 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: of words to instructure England. I made up the line 557 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: from the fourth part one. There's there is a line 558 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: that does say that that fortune is disposed to us, 559 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: but Hotspur says it in a completely different context. There's 560 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: no festival of the rain of worms. I would think 561 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I would have heard of this. It's a little love 562 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: crafty and just from England. You probably wouldn't have heard 563 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: that I had. I had prepared an explanation or description 564 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: of the festival, but you you, you had sussed it 565 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: out so early that I didn't have a chance to 566 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: Where does this further? Where is the count? Now? Where 567 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: does this put us? Oh, you're getting a little closer. 568 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: I want to say that maybe I'm one or two headed. Honestly, 569 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: it's been so long that I just declared myself supreme 570 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: winner of Old things world. Hey, I've got an idea. 571 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: You should. You should come back. So you want to 572 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: have you have another matching of wits? Oh that's that's 573 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: a strong word. I just I thought I would give 574 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: you another chance to do a little better. Next time. 575 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: I'll go and count them up if you want me to. 576 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm at least one or two ahead. 577 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: But it is on like the key Kong, Mr Bolan, fantastic, fantastic. Well, no, 578 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: we gotta win. We did get away. Sometimes you just 579 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: need a win. And thanks Casey, thanks for thanks for 580 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: intervening in there too. That was really cool. I I 581 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: appreciate that you believe in me, Casey. So this concludes 582 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: our episode, but not our show. Stay tuned next time 583 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: when we explore the strange, hilarious, somewhat disgusting, definitely ridiculous 584 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: method that scientists use to trace the path of the 585 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark expedition. It's the smell test.