WEBVTT - Checking In w/ Kirk Franklin 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:19.840 iHeart Radio and The Black Effect. Y'all come on income 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.000 on income, on in. I don't have a long Okay, listen. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.120 Kirk Franklin is checking in with us this week. I'm 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.400 very excited about this interview. He just got off tour 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.240 and I don't even know how he is still up. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.040 I would have been taking a nap for about two 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.800 weeks straight after y'all. The tour they just did it 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.160 was humongous, But he is checking in with us, So 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.680 just stay tuned. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.800 Okay, y'all. Every week it gets better and better. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.319 This week, I am fortunate to have somebody who is very, 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.760 very busy, just got off of a world win tour. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.399 Not only did we just get off a whirlwind tour. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.200 Just want a Billboard Music Award for Top Gospel Album 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.400 with Maverick City and also a Soul Train Award for 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.160 Best Gospel Inspirational Award. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.120 But hauld Up were not done. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.280 In March, he made history as the first person to 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.800 spend one hundred weeks at number one on any Billboard 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.440 song Writers chart. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.919 Give it up for producer, singer. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.960 Singer, binger, writer, inger, and the most as gospel artist 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.120 ever in history. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.680 Yes, the most amazing. Y'all know his voice, producer, Well, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.720 what do you want me to say? Artist? Artist, artist, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:52.280 he does. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:59.000 It all and as she is gospel artist even we'll 0:01:59.000 --> 0:01:59.520 put that on. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.440 You know what, I'm gonna get you some good oil 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.240 for Christmas. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.840 I'll sit, I'll get your I'll get an appropriate mailing 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.079 address from your team and send you some oil. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:11.880 Some oil. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.240 You don't have no allergies. No, it's really good. Skin 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.040 oil is good. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.040 Okay, it's really good. I love it. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.239 Grapefruit, but it's it's not powerful grapefruit. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.440 It's like really subtle good oil. Sunflower oil, really good. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:29.720 It won't clog your pours. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.079 Okay, okay, I'll take it. I'll take it. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:40.440 Okay, all right, y'all. Won't clog your poy so you 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:46.080 can walk out the door. Don't drift none on the floor. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.240 I can't hear him, now, can't hear me? I can 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.880 hear you talk. I can't hear keyboard. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.880 That is interesting. She can hit to but she can't 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.800 hit the keyboard. Okay, we tried. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.400 Well, I can't do that because I don't want to 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.160 sound like I'm off or something. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.800 No, it's all up, it's all love, It's it's all 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:10.320 next time. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.200 Next time, I'll set up an official studio time with you. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.240 Great, great Greg. Well, it's great to see you. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.239 It is so good to see you. King fresh off 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.480 of tour, trash off. You need a nap, you need 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:24.839 a nap. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.000 I don't know what I need. I don't know what 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.760 I need. I feel like I need to run down 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.760 the freeway in my underwear with some with with some 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:40.360 some timberling boots on, with a with a with a 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.880 Superman cape on, with a herring bone necklace. I'm gonna 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.840 just I'm just gonna keep going to you to stop me. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.760 Uh if that, If that's the headline you're going for, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.280 I go for it. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.400 I support you. It's gonna be a pr nightmare, but 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:58.600 I'm gonna have your bag. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:00.240 Back. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.320 I'm like it was fashion week. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.840 It was fashion week and. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.960 He was showing off his new line. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:09.320 I love it. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.320 That's what we're gonna go with. That's what listen. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:18.760 As it relates to the tour, now, you know you 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.559 about can't do a tour like that any other time, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.120 because everybody can hold their own do their own show. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.760 Everybody can headline. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.120 Everybody but y'all were all. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.320 Unified like it. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.240 No issues, No, because I want to know what tour 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.320 I'm gonna go on with. Don't nobody care about because 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.320 you know, the headliner gotta most of the time, the 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:50.240 headliner gotta pay the most money, so you gotta like, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:58.680 I don't need the headline. What an amazing accomplishment for music, period, 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.400 and then for gospel music to be displayed in such 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.839 a way to where people felt like they were at 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.480 it a different type of genre like y'all came with clothing, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.640 led screens, staging, segues, everything. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.520 Now, man, we had a really really good time. It was, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.480 it was, it was. It was very exciting to see 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.279 gospel music, uh in that space, to see people come 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.320 out by the you know, droves, just to be able 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:33.400 to be reminded of God's love for them and songs 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.720 that carried them through some difficultiess in their lives, and 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.840 for us to be able to curate this moment that 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:47.040 will just live in in spiritual infamy. You know, yes, 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.000 it is. It is a great moment for the genre 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.359 and it was an epic moment for music. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.880 A Part two be doing a part two. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:04.080 You know, what's an international verson London, Nigeria. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.880 Oh my gosh, they'll eat it up. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.320 Yeah, you know, we've been talking about it in nationally. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.440 You know, we we are just trying to figure out 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.320 how to make it work because you know, when you 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.400 go overseas, there's so many things, you know, different exchange 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.960 rates and different things to be able to try to 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:25.080 make it accessible to everyone. And so you know, we're 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:30.080 still on the high and we're still beaming from how 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.720 incredible the love was here in the States. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:33.600 Uh. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.479 With the tour, you know, there were a lot of 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.560 cities we didn't get to go to, like, you know, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.560 we didn't get to go to New York City proper. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.000 We were in Jersey, we didn't get to go to 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.760 we didn't get to go to Baltimore, you know, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:52.200 you know, Portland, Seattle. So you know, you know that's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.560 part two. Yeah, so yeah, you know, yeah, we we're 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.560 trying to figure it out, man, trying to figure it out, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.880 you know. So you know, we really trying to see 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.480 if there's a way to be able to make it happen. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.040 Yeah. Well it was good to see everybody. I can 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.440 imagine relationships were probably strengthened and fortified, getting to catch 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.360 up on all things because a lot of y'all live 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.480 in different parts of the country, so to every for 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.280 everybody to be on tour at one time, it was. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:26.080 Beautiful to see, so inspiring, Like, you know, there's some 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.600 hint hit the other tours need to happen. Now, come on, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:30.640 we got we can do it. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.000 We can do it. We can do it. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:32.800 That's super dump. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.560 And then before the tour or kind of you know, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.600 at the beginning of the tour, your Father's Day documentary 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:46.800 was released in conjunction with your album. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:53.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know life, Life was Life Thing 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.480 twenty three. Life was life Thing. It was a lot 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.240 that happened, and you know, we you know, we're just 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.960 still taking it on at a time and still trying 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.480 to figure out, you know, what the new normal looks like. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.200 You know, you know, it's very much kind of like 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.200 how life was after the pandemic. You know, you you 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.240 had to figure out what the new normal was for you, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.840 and so yeah, you know that's what I'm having to 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.200 do and and I'm having to do it at my 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.760 own pace and my own race. Uh, you know, it 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:27.200 can feel very daunting, but one day to time, one 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.080 day at a time. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.040 You say, at your own pace, at your own race, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.440 but you decided to share it with the world. Why 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.120 did you decide to share that portion with us? 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.240 Well, because I was already in the creative space. I 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:49.040 was already documenting the making of the album. And so yeah, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.959 so as a creative, you don't know how not to 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.240 translate what you go through like it's someone like, as 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.720 a creative, I was going through that. Then it's going 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.600 to the songwriting. So if I have a camera front 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.600 of me and I'm going to naturally incorporate the moments 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.160 that I'm experiencing in the moment that I'm in, I mean, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.000 I mean, you know, for you know, in my humble opinion, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.920 I think for real deep core creative people, they don't 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.480 know a separation of art in reality. You know, there 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:28.680 are is there reality, So you know, you know, you 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.560 just you just naturally continue in the lanes that are 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.320 very organic and their second nature for you. And you 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:39.760 know that second nature for me. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.720 Did the album change? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:44.520 Like? 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.360 Did you were your album starting off in one way 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.960 and then things happened with your father, did it kind 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.439 of did it change the album? 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.280 Album? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the name of the album 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.320 originally was called The Rebirth the Fearless Hero. That was 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.959 that was the name of the album. I was taking 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.959 different titles from different albums, and and uh, yeah, it 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.679 was it was going to be one project that was 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.320 going in another kind of direction, and uh, this ended 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:21.920 up being, you know, the background music for a very tumultuous, 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.400 life changing experience that I was having in real time. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.360 And so they both, yeah, they both kind of lighted 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:32.160 with each other. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.320 The Rebirth of the Fearless Hero. I mean, I can 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:45.240 I can only imagine that it was scary for you 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.840 to release that information to us, right, But at the 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:55.800 same time, you became, if you weren't already a lot 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:01.280 of people's hero for being able to share, especially a 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:06.600 man to share and be vulnerable on camera. I always 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.480 say there's a difference between being transparent and vulnerable. When 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.720 you're transparent, you can tell the world anything, Hey, I 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.960 stelled my told hey, I was late for a meeting today. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.960 But being vulnerable, you actually told us. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:24.199 How it made you feel, which being vulnerable for me 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.600 feels yucky. I hate feeling vulnerable and then having to 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:35.560 voice how it made me feel. I feel like I'm 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.200 watching it all over again, just talking to you. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.160 Yeah, And I don't know what other way to be is. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:47.720 I don't know. Me talking and me sharing is very 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.920 much just a part of my nature. It's very second 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.679 nature for me, so as I don't know how to 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.400 have the separate space where these things in my life 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.880 exist over here. But then I'm going to do music 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.319 and share the gospel and yeah, and talk about Jesus 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:11.439 over here. Now they are synonymous in the expression of 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.719 who I am as a broken individual, and so I 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.679 wouldn't know different to do. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:22.679 Yeah, It's like every time you come out with a project, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.760 it's like we're hearing Kirk for the first time. It's 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.240 like you somehow you keep our anticipation, you keep everybody so. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.080 Excited, and you're all well to us. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.240 I don't know if you ever feel that way, but 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.440 it seems like you're always winning except for that, of course, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.200 by the grace of God his hand on your life, 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.359 and every time you come out you stay relevant. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.400 Just I just y'all. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.640 I'm sitting here almost fanning out because this is what 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:00.720 I've been wanting to say to you. It's like you're 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.760 fresh still, like you're new. How do you keep that energy? 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.440 How do you keep us like literally on the edges 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.160 of our seat, Like, what is Kirk Franklin gonna do 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:14.400 for us musically? 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:20.240 I have no idea. I have no idea, Kirk, you'd 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:26.040 be so humble, But I'm also keeping it a buck. Nobody, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.240 nobody knows what Listen, you have been doing music all 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.120 your life, you know, like I know, don't nobody know? 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.040 Think about all the big producers that you as an artist, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.360 You were Destiny's child. You you've seen your other sister 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.040 do and there'll be records you think, oh, this record 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:51.000 is out of here, and it don't. I mean, nobody knows. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.920 So why would I get on here with you and 0:13:54.000 --> 0:14:01.800 even act like I have some divine intervention spiritual hookup 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.559 number from God that I can just tell you something 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.439 that is going to be so divinely supernaturally different. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.760 Everybody wants you to bottle up the secret sauce. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.360 And sell it, and there is no secret sauce. I 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:18.760 don't is that nobody knows? You know? I guess I can't. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.360 You know, like even with you know, even with the 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.400 new music, you don't know you know, I mean, you 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:30.040 don't know you don't know, you know, but you're mad, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.440 grateful and overwhelmed that in spite of you, in spite 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.440 of your mistakes and failures or sins and struggles, that 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.600 you know there's something in you, in spite of you, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.360 that God would choose to use in some kind of way. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:50.880 It's it's it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, wow. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.400 I want to go to the foundation of my podcast, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.920 and it is about mental health. But I find a way, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.840 we find a way to have these discussions not in 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.960 a clinical type of way. And everything that you shared 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.960 with us this year on the documentary with the tour, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:20.840 being a husband, a father, a son, how have you 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.960 been balancing it all with your mental health? 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.440 How are you doing? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:33.640 Thank you great question. You know. I I am grateful 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.920 for the gift of music. I think that God and 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.600 his kindness as a little boy gave me the gift 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.400 of music because it has always been the medicine I 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.520 didn't know I needed. It's very therapeutic to be able 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.920 to sit at a piano and to be able to 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.960 just heard melodes from have you know, it's you know, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:04.480 it's it's it's it's very very cathartic when you have 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.000 this space that you can get a chest to occupy 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.840 with God in hearing what others don't get to hear first. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.320 So that has been my therapy. The tour was very 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.480 healing from me because I was away from me, okay, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.920 and you know that was helpful. And you know, I 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.360 was just aid my therapist yesterday evening. I had a 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.480 session yesterday evening and we'll have another one either tomorrow, Thirsty. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.800 You know, you know I'm a black maned praise and see. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.280 It's a therapist. And I've been seeing a therapist non 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.920 stopped since I was about twenty eight and I'm fifty three, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.920 so you know, I've I've always been in therapy and 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.600 it has been, you know, very healing component of my life. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.960 I'll talk. I'm not a person who won't talk. I'll 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.000 talk sometimes too much, you know, but I'm but I'm 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.240 I'm comfortable talking. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:08.320 Yeah. What do you say to the person that's like 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.160 Kirk Frankly, you're supposed to be saved. Jesus is enough. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.200 You don't need no therapist. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.520 I would say to them, but they sound crazy. I 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.879 would say that they sound dumb. I would say that 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.240 they sound Okay. I can't say those things Okay, I 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.919 would say that you sound you just sound like you 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.440 don't know what you talk to about. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.240 Ignorant. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.240 Yeah, you know, I just think that it is it 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.160 is such a disclaimer or a misnomer to be able 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:43.080 to make these broad statements that we only make in 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:44.960 our mind, that we don't make with any other parts 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.720 of our bodies. You don't say that to a heart speculus. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.760 You don't say that to somebody who just fell over 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.080 having a heart attack. Get up, stop that heart attack. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.119 In the name of Jesus. You don't say that to somebody. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.760 You will call nine one one will you will try 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.080 to do something to the problem. But when it comes 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.199 to our emotions and our souls and our minds, we 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.360 over spiritualized things that don't need over spiritualized. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:10.560 That's right. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.600 I feel like we put mental health over here. But 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.480 then the rest of our health, your cardiovascular health, you're reproductive, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.720 if your your your immune system like loopis like if 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.960 somebody goes to the altar and says, you know what 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.120 I just got to diagnosis of loopis, oh. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.440 We gotta pray, we gotta pray. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:37.520 But if somebody comes down and says I'm depressed, Well, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:38.840 who you've been sleeping with. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.160 You ain't praying. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.840 You not mean your bible. You make a person feel 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.840 like they did something wrong. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.480 I agree with you. I agree with you. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:49.760 That's why you're here. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.120 I agree with you. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:52.639 But we'll pray for everything else. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.320 I agree with you, and it is it is, so 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.720 help me. It's a form of spiritual abuse. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:18:59.920 Mm hmm. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.280 For spiritual abuse to be able to. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.880 They don't know. I don't they don't know they're there. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.959 I don't think they know that. That's what it is. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.960 The form of spiritual abuse. You abusing people's spirits when 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.400 you communicate to them in that way. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:19.399 Yeah, okay, Oh my gosh, because I feel like mental 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:27.600 health obviously your mind, your emotions. You know, when you 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:32.760 go see the psychiatrist. Sometimes your practitioners of mental health 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:37.840 they're in the same building as other medical care professionals. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.040 That's good, but thank you for sharing that. You know, Hey, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:47.919 Kirk Franklin, New Billboard Award winning, Soul Train Award winning, 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.600 GRAMM your award winning. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.680 You have successful television shows. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.480 You're in what the second season of Kingdom Business, Executive producer. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.919 Of Kingdom Business. By the way, y'all, thank y'all, so 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:00.960 month for having me. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:01.960 You did a good job. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.439 Episode appreciate thank you. You know, I'd be liking to 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:13.600 act and everything, and so a job. You know, You've 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:18.040 got a lot that you are doing. Will we see 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:24.280 you acting like featured featured film, more feature films? 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.320 I don't know. I don't know, you know, will you know? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.240 It's I love the space of creating. And if something 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.719 comes that's right and it and it translates in ways 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.399 that are that are conducive to the level of talent 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.040 God has given me, then you know, yeah, I'd be 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.120 more than honor to see if it's something that can 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:50.400 be a forward moment that I can contribute to. And 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:56.359 so you know, I'm very open to the accountability around 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.919 me of what I'm good at or what I'm not 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.639 good at when it comes to you and out in 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.919 other spaces. I'm not one that makes the assumption than 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.840 because God has blessed me with one creative lane that 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.000 I can do all creative lanes. And so I love 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.919 the accountability of getting the insight and the input of 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.760 people that I trust around me. And so we'll see, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.359 We'll see if something comes and we'll see if I'm 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.159 good at it or if I'm not good at it, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.000 and then if I'm not, I believe it alone. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:31.480 All right, musicals inducing musicals, Yeah, some broadways I think, like, 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.520 you know, absolutely amazing. And you do the music on 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:36.880 the Kingdom Business. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.200 Can you talk about that? Do you do that differently 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.639 than you would do your own project, your own personal 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:42.399 music project. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.040 Well? What I love about doing the music for Kingdom Business, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.359 so for any other movie or any other TV show, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.399 is that I love being free of the anxiety of radio, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.680 the anxiety of the first single and what the first 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.000 single is going to be, because I think that that 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.760 can it sounds be an unnecessary pressure that that just 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.720 burdens all of us, and so I love being free 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.520 of them. And so when I'm working on yeah, whatever, 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.560 I'm working on a TV show, I don't have to 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.560 feel that that kind of pressure. I'm able to just 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.720 be free from that level of pressure and just allow 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:17.720 it to be what it is. 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.680 Yeah, well, what's your latest music and everything that you've 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.240 been showing us? Now I was like, oh my gosh, 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.199 with he can pour all of his emotion and what 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.959 he's been feeling into like even scoring a movie. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.800 Yeah, yeah, you know, like yeah, and I've done that before. 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.600 I've had a couple of Like I scored a movie 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:46.480 called Kingdom Come Yes, Yes, I also worked on It's 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.680 another movie project that I okay, I got a blank. 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.280 I just feel like with everything, I can imagine just 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.159 sitting down at the piano, pouring your heart out with 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.240 everything that you have gone through this year, and you 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.000 still blazed. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.760 It on stage. Like I'm like, I know, he gotta 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:05.920 soak in some epps and salt. 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:11.040 I do know them twisting turns, jumping up in the 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.080 air and you're sharing in your porn. But that's the 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.320 amazing part of us that we can have something going on, 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.320 but when it comes to serving people and giving our best, 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.679 that you can do it. And so I know that 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.920 you just got off tour, you are exhausted, and I'm 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.199 excited that you came to talk with us today and 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.160 check in and share with you y'all get therapy. Get 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:39.240 in therapy as well. Nothing is wrong with a good 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.840 old session. I love my Thursdays at one pm, Like, 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.480 I really really love it. 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:47.800 There's some growth. 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:52.000 There and I feel like sometimes she takes my money anyway, 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:53.640 even though we're gonna be having none to talk about. 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.240 But it's just good to check it. She gon't she 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.440 gonna she we have there's still one hundred and fifty dollars. Sorry, 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.160 you know, to talk about crawfish. But I'm so thankful 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.280 for you. I'm so glad we got this time to 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.560