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Speaker 1: personalities are Gummo based. Hello the Internet and welcome to

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Speaker 1: season four oh three, Episode two of dir Daily's Guys.

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Speaker 3: But it's like here's like America's like, you know, kind

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Speaker 3: And everyone was like, well, they'll keep it in theaters

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Speaker 2: Another thing I noticed no shopping carts. No, because I

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Speaker 2: assume if you used the shopping cart and filled it,

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Speaker 2: it would cost you two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah at right, Yeah, yeah, it's physically impossible to like

441
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Speaker 1: pay for the something that would fill a shopping carton alone.

442
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Speaker 2: It's like they've never I also just want to share.

443
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty proud that I bought the most expensive water,

444
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Speaker 2: which of course was twelve dollars. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Good, you're making all the right decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great.

447
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about moving out here? Maybe this feels yeah?

448
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. After a few glasses of orange wine, I mean

449
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: it's just all of a sudden, it starts to hit

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to very soon develop a really deep

452
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Speaker 4: interest in cosmetic surger.

453
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: Right, have a huge, fat, beautiful lips. Next that my

454
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Speaker 3: cee that's got cold.

455
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: Thick calves and like, I'm just.

456
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Speaker 3: A big fat ass and.

457
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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, my thighs are natural, by the way, in

458
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Speaker 1: case you're milky kicked up, ye, my milky caked up

459
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: thoughts are natural. All right, we're at the twenty minute mark.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take quick break. We're gonna come back and

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Speaker 1: do some overrated, underrated and uh, maybe get to some

462
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Speaker 1: other stuff that I've been dying to ask you guys.

463
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back, and Ben, let's

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Speaker 1: say on you, what's something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 2: What is underrated?

466
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: What does it mean even you know?

467
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally trying to think of maybe like a band.

468
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 3: Certainly not that smoothie.

469
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 4: It feels like it feels like the Bieber Smoothie was.

470
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not enough people are talking about it,

471
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: and I do feel like it's so like kind of underground.

472
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

473
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do my part to.

474
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: Sort of help Hollywood's best kept secret.

475
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, spread the gospels of it.

476
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: It's like the punk scene in the seventies, like yeah, yeah,

477
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 1: people who know know, but only.

478
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: One hundred people have ever had the Hailey Beeber Smoothie,

479
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: but every one of them went on to make a

480
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: great smart.

481
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: You had to be there, you had.

482
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: To be there, That's right. I mean, that's I think

483
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Speaker 1: one of the most underrated things we have going.

484
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: Maxis Kansas City, and she was just there with a blender,

485
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: Like what she doing?

486
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: She doing this?

487
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess with this sort of line that

488
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 2: we have going here, I'll say, pizza is really underrated.

489
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's one of those things too, like

490
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: not enough people really are having it.

491
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just found out about it when I

492
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: was back in New York this week.

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00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of our things. Yeah, it's the Hamley

494
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 3: Beaper smoothie of New York.

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00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: I guess, all right, this is actually this is actually

496
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: hard to admit, but I will say the La Bagels

497
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: I went to, I believe Bells and Highley Park so

498
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: good in a way, whereas you you're a bagel boy

499
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: big time. I gotta admit. They're they they they're they're

500
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: they're hitting, they're doing They're definitely making me think like, yeah,

501
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: where do they compare with New York?

502
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: Does Larry King's New York water bagel still exist out here?

503
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar.

504
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: Okay, it wasn't Larry King branded. He was a primary investor.

505
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: I know his name was not on it, okay, but

506
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: he was a big driving force behind it. Yeah, because

507
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: he complained that living in LA for decades, he had

508
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: never gotten a bagel as good as back in New York.

509
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 3: And he came to the same conclusion we all have

510
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: that it's about the water, right, the New York water. Yeah,

511
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: And so he started a company where he claimed that

512
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: he was working with an inventor who had built a

513
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Speaker 3: machine that could convert LA water into New York water.

514
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

515
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: And that was their big selling point.

516
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: Is like build a pipeline like dang a plane view

517
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: just like straight from New York.

518
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 4: I like that.

519
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 3: Larry King as a friend who's even crazier.

520
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 4: Than Larry King.

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00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Mover.

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Speaker 3: There is one of.

523
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Speaker 4: Those water bagel places in Westchester. I used to live

524
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Speaker 4: over there, and I would go there with some consistency.

525
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's like, uh, I'm gonna say seven.

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Speaker 3: Out of ten bagel. Okay, maybe not bad.

527
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Not bad, that's not bad.

528
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, the secret of the machine was

529
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: you just held rats over it, like it's.

530
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Just like a banana peel.

531
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: New York rats put in there, like sex worker tears,

532
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: that's New York waters.

533
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: How about you? What's something he thinks under it?

534
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: I was genuinely gonna say, pizza Ben stole mine. I

535
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: was walking towards the same bit. I'm gonna say, it's

536
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: not to be just one track about this. Movies, and

537
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: I think movies are coming back, okay, but I do think.

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Speaker 3: You know, you hear a lot of the like that

539
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: things so long. I got a park, I got sit

540
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: in a room with strangers. I gotta watch thirty minutes

541
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: of trailers and I'm like, yeah, but yeah, you know

542
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: what happens. Then get to see a fucking movie, a

543
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: whole ass movie, just one complete thing that so many

544
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: people worked on for so long. Yep, even when they suck.

545
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: It's crazy they did it so much money. Yeah, I

546
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Speaker 3: fully agree.

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Speaker 4: It's so movie And like working in Hollywood, it's just

548
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 4: people don't understand what is happening. Like I'll be on

549
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: TV shows occasional and it'll be they'll build an entire

550
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Speaker 4: house and then tear it down and then build it

551
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: again the next week. The amount of craftsmanship that goes

552
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: into this ship to make it look like nobody worked

553
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: hard on.

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Speaker 1: It is unbelievable.

555
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, all we got to do is just sit in

556
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: that room. You just got to go to that room,

557
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: you know.

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00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah we should mention a big screen, a big screen,

559
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: a silver screen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goddamn, yeah you're here.

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Speaker 3: Was it your nephew who liked the big the loves big,

562
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: big things in movies. Yeah, so he'd loves because.

563
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 4: The screens are so big. I think he'd really enjoy that.

564
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. His thing is always who is the biggest, the biggest?

565
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: It's a good question.

566
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Speaker 2: I mean, man got chunky, Yeah.

567
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: That's true.

568
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: Turning him on to Godzilla was a real game changer.

569
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Speaker 3: But now he's very caught up in the like which

570
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: Godzilla is the biggest, because Godzilla has been reinvented so

571
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: many times. There are internal cannons and sub series within

572
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: just the Japanese Godzillas. And he's like, give me the

573
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Speaker 3: absolute tallest.

574
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: I love you pick movies. That's it sounds like being like,

575
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 4: you know what's good.

576
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: Music, it's you know what I mean, But it's but

577
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: you for too long. And I think like the Zoomers

578
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: are starting to get it again, you know, they're coming

579
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: around and they're like, Guy's fucking you guys heard about

580
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: these you're acting above this right, This is the tits.

581
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: This is the top of the pile. This slaps as

582
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: they often think. Yes, they say that so much.

583
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: I have no idea what it means is a bop?

584
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: This show is so fucking hip, right now? Do you

585
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: ever just stop and think about the fact that movies

586
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: are like they had the talkies and then movies was

587
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: just pictures that move, and like, how dumb that is?

588
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: That's they're just like these ones move, so we're gonna

589
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: call them move ease and then when they can, when

590
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: the pictures that move can talk, we'll call them talkies.

591
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: And then we got over that, but stuck with movies.

592
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: What's something Griffin that you thinks overrated TV shows? Fucking yeah,

593
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: this is I'm big on this corner.

594
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to go out and watch a movie.

595
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: I want to like invest in something big. You want

596
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: to fucking sit in your couch for twenty hours watch

597
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: them just string us along. Yeah, especially this prestige TV era.

598
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: I watch these shows people, I'm gonna watch these shows

599
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: like this shit's a ten hour movie and they say

600
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: that like it's a plus, right, But they're getting a

601
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: better return on their investment.

602
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

603
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: Like I can watch multiple different movies in that time.

604
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: You've got ninety minutes a story. You're just slowing it

605
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: way the fuck down.

606
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: You can feel the fill times, Yeah, you can always

607
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: feel it, like they're just like, oh, we're gonna add

608
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: like a new conflict that comes out of nowhere that's

609
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: not gonna have anything to do with how it ends up.

610
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: Here's another thing. You got like three years in between seasons.

611
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: Now show comes back that I love. I don't remember

612
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: what the fuck was going on. Yeah, I can't do

613
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: this right. That's the gap that used to exist between

614
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: movie sequels. Yeah, that's no seasons of television because everybody's older.

615
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: I hate Adrian. I hate it.

616
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to be reminded by immortality.

617
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: Don't show me.

618
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: You are an actor who has been in both movies,

619
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: then you anything he thinks over it.

620
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: I think this is something you'll agree with me on

621
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Griffin the summer, it's been quite hot here in.

622
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: LA also in New York. Very hot in New York, yes.

623
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: Actually very temperate. When I was back there. Well, I

624
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: switched with you guys, and I got I think I

625
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: got the better end of it this past week.

626
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Sorry, but I feel like in general this summer, I

627
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: feel like what's been really overrated is leaving the house overrated. Yeah, yeah,

628
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: it's just like I got my couch. It's cold in here.

629
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to go out. I don't want to

630
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: get on the subway. You kidding me?

631
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Unless you're going to the movie.

632
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: That's right, because the other thing that's great about movies

633
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: cold as hell in there.

634
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna say another underrated is air conditioning. Growing off

635
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: of what Ben's saying, movie is one of the best

636
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: places to chill out, to literally chill out right if

637
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: you're like, fuck, I just finished this. My home is here,

638
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: it's gonna be so annoying to get from here to there.

639
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: Midpoint Movi literally did a midpoint movie theory. See weapons

640
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: this weekend.

641
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Great drink a soda man, have a little down popcorn. Yeah,

642
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, it's great.

643
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: The when you see how many like when you look

644
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: at historical box office and like, I think the movie

645
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: still that sold the most tickets ever is Gone with

646
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: the Wind.

647
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: Right, I believe so, And like back then, though, you think.

648
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: About what modern movies are competing with it was like

649
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: that was the only place with air conditioning in the South.

650
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Can you fucking imagine, Like how hot that must have been,

651
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: how great it must have been.

652
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: Either go see a movie or sit on a tree stump.

653
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: The two activities underrated.

654
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 2: They're they're overrated, was like sitting on a tree stump.

655
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Underrated movies they had just found out. They had just

656
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: named them because like looking at pictures versus looking at movies,

657
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: the pictures that move, all right, So this is continuing

658
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Speaker 1: on with the subject of you know, movies that exist

659
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: verse don't exist. I've been writing and thinking about culture

660
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: for a long time, and a thing I noticed early

661
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: on is that the myths that we like encounter like

662
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: the things people believe about stuff that they didn't experience,

663
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: so like history, or like a foreign country or you know, physics,

664
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: like just anything. They don't come from like school, They

665
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: come from movies. Like movies are the thing that like

666
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: writes people's unconscious. So it's like the idea of a

667
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: movie existing verse not existing is so important because the

668
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: movies that do exist write history essentially, like that, anytime

669
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: we were debunking a myth, it would be based on

670
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: something like you couldn't go and be like, well, people

671
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: believe this because this is what the book said or

672
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: this is what the history class said. It was like,

673
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: this is what the movie about the thing from history

674
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: class said. So I and on the other side of

675
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: that coin, I guess is like just hearing the big

676
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Lebowskian Fargo like from episodes and like thinking about how

677
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: much those movies exist. I'm like, when you talk about

678
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: movies that don't exist, like what are the movies that

679
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: you guys feel like exist the most, Like do you

680
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like Loom, the largest like one

681
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: that I have is just like Forrest Gump, like covers

682
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: so much fucking ground, so many like this big important moments,

683
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and like so little thought is like put into like

684
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: the political content of that or maybe a lot is

685
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: put in, but it's like so damaging.

686
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: That movie is fascinating.

687
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, like how popular and how much ground

688
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: it tried.

689
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: To cover, yes, and how much it like did change

690
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: the entire culture, right, you know, It's it's just like people,

691
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: I think people who are a little younger cannot understand

692
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: that that movie played like Avengers Endgames, right, was the

693
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: biggest blockbuster globally. Tom Hanks had won the Oscar the

694
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 3: year before, and they were like, well, we can't not

695
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: give it to him again. That's what they're loathed to do.

696
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: He went Bestack for two years in a row. They're

697
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: but come on, he's Forrest Gump, Like, look at this.

698
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: He solved all of our problems.

699
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Is that voice?

700
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: And we covered it on the podcast a couple of

701
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: years ago, and I swung very negative on it after

702
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: like loving it as a child, which is also an

703
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: insane thing to think about that that movie was something

704
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: that like everyone took their kids to see and kids

705
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: were like I love this right right yeah, and that

706
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: like old people were like finally one the way they

707
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: used to make them, you know, and the boomers were like,

708
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: finally our generation on screen. Like everyone came together on

709
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: this movie.

710
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: I saw it as a kid, and I was like,

711
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Dan Rocks into this guy.

712
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: But like it is one of those movies where there

713
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: are like eighty different things in that film that you

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: can reference as shorthand that everyone gets right, you know,

715
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: Like that's part of existing for me, not just like

716
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: being able to make a joke about it, but the

717
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: idea that you can be like it's kind of like

718
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: in Forrest Gump pale, you know, and like him running

719
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: both like the leg brace is coming off as a

720
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: child and at the end and Lieutenant Dan and Bubba

721
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: the box of chocolate, like the bench, the feather, like

722
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: all this stuff you can just like immediately evoke. And

723
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: the book that film is based on is this like

724
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: very bizarre, dark satirical novel. My friend reminded me today.

725
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: The opening line of the book is my mama always

726
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: said life is no box of chocolates.

727
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: And they were like, you know what opposite that, Psycho,

728
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: the exact opposite, right, and some fun and surprising Forrest.

729
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: Gump goes to the moon and his best friends in

730
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: Orangutang and they start like a street band, like it's

731
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: that's the real plots of the book. And then after

732
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: the success of the movie, they made a sequel book

733
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: that is Forrest Gump basically telling you that he's the

734
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: guy the movie was based on, and how his life

735
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: has been affected by the success of the film now

736
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: that he has the money from Tom Hanks playing him,

737
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: who in a hit, like the books are insane, And

738
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: then they turned it into this thing that became this

739
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: like can we make this an inspirational tale that's a

740
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: kaleidoscopic view of the nineteen hundreds and what the soul

741
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 3: of America is and whatever? And it just hit you know, yeah,

742
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: And I think there are movies like that. We talk

743
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: about this a little in our Lebowski episode, but that

744
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: it has become a film like The Wizard of Oz,

745
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: where like every single element of it is iconic now

746
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: bigbi right, like the look of every character, every line

747
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: of dialogue you can reference, like shot composition, you can

748
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: reference props, you know, like Wizard of Oz is like that,

749
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: Big Lebowski is like that. Forrestcump is like that.

750
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Speaker 2: I feel like Lebowski too, is the thing that everyone

751
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: had on DVD. Yes, it was so undepressent, and so

752
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: every kid in their college dorm had a copy of

753
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Big Lebowski.

754
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: I've watched it, like I said, like, you know, dozens

755
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: of times, and I was high every time I saw

756
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: it when I first saw it, And that was also

757
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: true of like, uh, the Lord of the Rings movies.

758
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: I watched The Lord of the Rings fairly recently. I'm like,

759
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I didn't remember any of that shit, but I remembered

760
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: every line from Big Lebowskian. I was like, these all

761
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: live like right in there somehow, like there's something about

762
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: the magic of that movie that's fucking crazy.

763
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: Lord of the Ring's absolutely in the same categories. And

764
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that, like the Diminishing Returns of

765
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: the Hobbit didn't retroactively affect Lord of the Rings at all,

766
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: But I would argue that they were contemporaneous, and the

767
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Harry Potter films I think largely outgrossed the Lord of

768
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: the Rings films, right, but the fact that there are

769
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: seven of them it dissipates, and like you can reference

770
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: the Harry Potter movies right in a way that is

771
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: like distinct from the books, but also not everyone maybe

772
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: has seen all of them. The sanctity of Lord of

773
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: the Rings being like there were three and once a

774
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: year at Christmas we check in. It was like we

775
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: all have to see it. We're all excited elves, which

776
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: is kind of just like Jerry and you have the

777
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: tradition of life. Most people now, many people now are like, yeah,

778
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: of course, every Christmas, I watch all three of them, right,

779
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: and the extended cuts, you know, I think especially the

780
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: nineties Disney Renaissance, I think like Little Mermaid Beatying the Beast, Aladdin,

781
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: or very much in that cannon, Yes an end Lion

782
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: King Aladdin.

783
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: You guys are talking about on the Big Lebowski episode

784
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: that that gave us Proud Boys. A deleted scene from

785
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: that gave us the Proud Boys, Like it's like so

786
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: embedded in our consciousness. Disney, I think is the most

787
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: in there, like in the just like shared consciousness. It's

788
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: just like you can't fucking get that out of there. People.

789
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: You talk about Disney, right about Disney, everybody like has

790
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: an opinion, everybody's seeing it. It just like lives in

791
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: people's brains.

792
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: And Proud Boys is like a great example of that.

793
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: If you're like Aladdin is so powerful the things that

794
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: aren't in the movie have the power to destroy our.

795
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Fucked up Yeah. The other one that I was thinking

796
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: about that's like totally different but sort of the same,

797
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: is that the Truman Show, Like the idea of the

798
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Truman Show either it was like so of the moment,

799
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: or it like just went into people's brains in such

800
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: a way that like that became a common psychosis for

801
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: people to have for like a decade. They just like

802
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: saw a spike and like an increase of people thinking

803
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: they were.

804
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: On the Truman it's a diagnosable condition. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, No,

805
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: that one is huge. But it is interesting where I

806
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, how much of that is almost bias mosis?

807
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Right?

808
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, like I think you can say to anyone

809
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: Truman show and have them understand what that means. And

810
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: yet I think some of the finer details in the

811
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: movie you could throw at someone and they go, what

812
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: are you talking about? Sure, either they saw it at

813
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: the time and they forgot or I don't know if

814
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: it's like carried on generationally, But there are things like that.

815
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: Of Like another one I'm fascinated by is like a

816
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: reviled movie that was a total flop, pay It Forward.

817
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: You can reference a Pay It Forward. People know what

818
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: you're talking about, Oh yeah, even though most people haven't

819
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: seen the movie. Right, Sometimes there's a core idea that

820
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: isn't dramatized well that still ends up butterfly effect bucket list,

821
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, like some of these.

822
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Fly effect is a real one. Yeah, I hear about

823
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: that all the time from people. I've never seen butterfly effect,

824
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: but like that is the version of that concept that

825
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, just go with Ian Malcolm from fucking Jurassic Park.

826
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: That's the movie that's in there.

827
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: But sometimes a trailer can hit a zeitgeist in a way.

828
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: The movie doesn't run, and maybe it's an idea that

829
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: existed before, but the trailer synthesized it in a way

830
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: or gave it a clean name that made it easy

831
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: to understand. I think that's such part of it.

832
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: Like the way that we you know, in German they

833
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: have the long words that mean eleven things all at once.

834
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: We don't have that sor we need this touchstone to

835
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: be like, oh, that's a pay it for.

836
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: It makes me think of it. I haven't seen this either,

837
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: but is it Eat Live, Pray Love, Pray Love. Yeah,

838
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: Eat Pray Love, Eat Live, Pray Love Love. But that

839
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: feels like a thing too, where it's become like part

840
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: of like someone how they approach travel.

841
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Yes, Eat Pray Love. I'm living that, Eat Pray Love Life.

842
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: Never seen it, but I know exactly what that is.

843
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: Groundhog Day another one where you're like, that movie is

845
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: beloved and fairly universal, and yet you can't deny the

846
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: concept of a groundhog Day is bigger than the movie. Yes,

847
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, even for a film that is big. When

848
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: I saw like Truman Show means something even larger when I.

849
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Saw Palm Springs, I was like, oh, this should just

850
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: groundhog Day should be its own genres movies. We just

851
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: like one of these should come out every couple of months.

852
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah tomorrow. You're like, oh, right, we haven't done like

853
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 3: Aliens or groundhog Day yet. It especially a good idea.

854
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: It's hard to make it bad.

855
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 4: You'd be like, well, if we did it with Ninja's

856
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: You're like, no, it'd still be great. You can be

857
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: on a day with anything, or maybe.

858
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: It's part of a series of just like kind of

859
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: like weird holidays where we like, then we do an

860
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: arbor day.

861
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

862
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: You've been pitching this for a while.

863
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: I have, yeah, really pushing it. Please get in touch.

864
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 3: Days of the week. It's it's also interesting you read

865
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: about both Truman Show and Groundhog Day, and both were

866
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: spec scripts that were originally written as like paranoid conspiracy thrillers.

867
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: With those premises, we're like, halfway through, if not later,

868
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: the audience and the character figure out what's going on.

869
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: And in both cases people are like, huh, we're definitely

870
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: gonna buy that idea from you and then rework it

871
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: into something else entirely, Like there are these cases of

872
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: a bad script with an idea that is so powerful

873
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: that they're like purchased, rebuild from ground up. What's actually

874
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: the version of this that works?

875
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: And then both are utilizing these huge comedy stars to

876
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: play these roles that are like comedic partially yes, right, Truman.

877
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Show is the other one Groundhog Day and yeah, so interesting.

878
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: It feels like Arnold Schwarzenegger as just a personality. And

879
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: then all of his movies, like obviously there's some that

880
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: maybe aren't as much like part of what we're talking about,

881
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: but it feels like he is so just ingrained and

882
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: his movie are There's so many I can think of that.

883
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: Everyone knows you say this, And yet a friend of

884
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: ours who works on the podcast, his young son was

885
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: talking about that he thought were funny. Yeah, and he went,

886
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: there was this one with this big guy who had

887
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: a funny voice and like he said, State Farm in

888
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: a funny way. Yes, And our friend was like, that's

889
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: Arnold twool and he just thought it was like a

890
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: comedia de larte archetype or something, you know, so like

891
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: in a way, Arnold has become a little abstracted, and

892
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: you could point back and be like, do you know

893
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: what the terminator is? That's this guy and he would

894
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: probably no Terminator from parodies rather than seeing them, like,

895
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: but I think terminator is another idea that's like very sticky.

896
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: Terminator two is like is I feel like I put

897
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: it in in that family of like Forrest Gaunt, Like

898
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: just there are moments in that that just live in everything,

899
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: Like I feel like everybody's version of a thermonuclear nuclear

900
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: detonation and is the playground from like that's what's in

901
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: everybody's brand.

902
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: Titanic also, like there are eight trillion lines and images

903
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: and moments in that that are universal and evergreen. Yeah.

904
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: I remember reading a trend where people were like, yo,

905
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: Titanic is based on a true story like that like

906
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: a few.

907
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Years after it came out anyways, But that's like what

908
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: you're saying about the sort of like print the legend

909
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: legacy of these things. Yeah, I mean, I My favorite

910
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: movie about what you're talking about is Inglorious Bastards, which

911
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: I think is a really smart movie about the kind

912
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: of print, the legend, lasting legacy of our pop culture

913
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: defining our history, and a lot of the you know

914
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: now Tarantino's done the ending is me changing what actually happened,

915
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: revisionist history thing a couple times, but that's the one

916
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: where I think it's actually kind of meaningful, because the

917
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: whole film is about these people as this war, like

918
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 3: the end is in sight. They can see it's winding down,

919
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: and everyone's becoming obsessed with how am I going to

920
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: be written about? You know, And like the Christoph Waltz

921
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: character is constantly saying, like you, I'm sure you've heard

922
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: about me, you know me by reputation, And the Daniel

923
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: Burle character is like the soldier who's been turned into

924
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: like a propaganda film hero where they changed his historic

925
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 3: moment and made him even more of an action star

926
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: to make the Germans feel pride. And the movie theater

927
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: owner wants to kill all the Jews by trapping them

928
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: in a theater and making them look at her face

929
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: on a big screen and say you need to know

930
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Yes, Yet opposite, the Jewish movie theater owner

931
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: wants to kill all the Nazis and say, like, look

932
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: at my face, remember me, I'm on a big screen.

933
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: I have this immortality, you know, and like they kill

934
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Hitler at the end and the end the war. Because

935
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: if a movie tells you that's what happens, that's what happens.

936
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: There's so many things that we accept that are false

937
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: because we're used to the movie version totally.

938
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: And also so much of arts job is to help

939
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: this process things. So, like you were talking about, it

940
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: does change, and I think for a lot of people

941
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: in a satisfying way, in to me a way that

942
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: is a little bit reductive the unimaginable horror of like

943
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: the Hall of you know what I mean, where it's

944
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: like I think, like the way that Apocalypse Now deals

945
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: with Vietnam is this profound, wondrous nightmare thing that to

946
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: me feels more sort of authentic a little bit to

947
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: the confusion of war.

948
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense? I want to talk about Yeah,

949
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. I want to talk about

950
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: war movies in the context of what we're talking about here.

951
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: But let's take a quick break. We'll be right back,

952
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: and we're back. And I feel like World War Two

953
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: probably the most like depicted movie or war in the

954
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: history of film, maybe the most depicted event in the

955
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: history possibly film. Vietnam is probably does and have as

956
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: many movies, but I feel like it's so iconic, like

957
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: it's so like it exists because of these like classic

958
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: movies that depicted Vietnam. We were talking about how the

959
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: song Fortunate Son, like if you hear that, you picture

960
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: yourself descending in a helicopter above like Rice Patties, like

961
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: I think from Forrest Gump. Maybe, but the current wars

962
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: that are like being fought by America like don't exist

963
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: in the same way. I feel like I'm just curious

964
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: to like hear you guys thoughts on like why that

965
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: might be the case or might not, Like why, you know,

966
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: I think Vietnam ended. I sound like Walter from Big

967
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: Lebowski Now, it like had a fairly definitive end, and

968
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: then people started making movies about it, like after the

969
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: fact a little bit, like you know, while Vienna was happening,

970
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: they made mash but it was like about the Korean

971
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: War because they didn't want to like actually touch that.

972
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: And so maybe it's just that like we're still doing

973
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: this like in the Middle East, and so people can't.

974
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: Deal I think I think, yeah, I think the forever

975
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: war part of it is really big because there's no

976
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: ability to get closure or distance. And I you know,

977
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: there was the spat of like very ambitious prestigee war

978
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: movies that I feel like really started up around the

979
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: second Bush term that the audience just went like, no

980
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: fucking way to all of this, right, Like movies like

981
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 3: Rendition and like Stop Loss and things that were very

982
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: earnest and like we're really we need to dig into this,

983
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: and people were just like, don't don't want to talk

984
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: about any of this, no thing, we got no distance,

985
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 3: We're stuck in it. I don't want to be reminded

986
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, you know, I think there was a

987
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: very similar thing of people trying to make things about

988
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: the lockdown during the lockdown exactly. You know, where the

989
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: studios were like, oh, it's great, we'll do a siitcome

990
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: over zoom and it's about friends hanging out over zoom.

991
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't want to fucking watch this, yeah, yeah,

992
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: And I don't want to watch it five years later anymore.

993
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: I don't want to relive that.

994
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, it took ice Cubes the War of the

995
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: World's for us to finally come to terms with it

996
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: and want to watch it. Finally finally unders something too.

997
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: There was such confusion around Vietnam, and I really think

998
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: that is a war that the movies processed for the

999
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: public in a way even more than anything else. There

1000
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: was so much kind of like corruption and confusion and

1001
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: smoke screening, even with journalism and the government and everything

1002
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: at the time that I think there was just something

1003
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: with that timing out with the new Hollywood movement and

1004
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: studios getting less controlling and artists coming in who were

1005
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: willing to like touch the nerve where we all had

1006
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: to kind of I say this, we all none of

1007
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: us were fucking alive, but you know, the culture used

1008
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: movies to work through this shit. And I think partially

1009
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: because of Vietnam, not that all the reporting the government

1010
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: communication was better in the Forever Wars has at any point,

1011
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: but there's been more of a collective conversation. And obviously

1012
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: the growth of the Internet, the ability to not just

1013
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: need to rely on what like one person is telling

1014
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: us then makes it so that like, I don't need

1015
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: a movie to fucking tell me about this, right, especially

1016
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: if we don't yet have an endpoint that we can

1017
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: look back on and step away and go, what was

1018
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: this all about right, And I feel very similarly about

1019
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: like last year, last two years in particular, there's a

1020
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: wave of movies that feel very lockdown inspired to me

1021
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: that I think are very pointedly not about the pandemic

1022
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: at all explicitly, but like I weirdly think Oppenheimer very

1023
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: much comes out of that, not just in the fear

1024
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: of like a thing that can change the world forever,

1025
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: but even in like the building of Los Alamos and

1026
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: everyone needing to like create this bubble, and Barbie that

1027
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: same year is like about this kind of bubbled living,

1028
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: you know, and like relationship to culture. I think there

1029
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: were these movies Asteroid Cities another one where like a

1030
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: lot of our biggest commercial artists, we're making these movies

1031
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: that exist in these small, like hypercharged bubbles of a

1032
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: brief moment Los Almos in that is the NBA bubble,

1033
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: like that in the metaphor, and like I love Eddington

1034
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: and it's a masterpiece, but the public very much went no,

1035
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: thank you because it was explicitly.

1036
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: About the yeah yeah, well, and Superman also has a

1037
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: fairly clear metaphor floor Palestine in Israel, which is like

1038
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: kind of incredible that they got away with that especially

1039
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 4: in you know, something like this.

1040
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: And James Gunn in interviews has been like, look, I

1041
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: wrote this movie three years ago, Like you're all astounded

1042
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: by how directly it maps onto Palestine and Israel. But

1043
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: we've been in some version of this for decades. Hey,

1044
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: the Palestine and Israel thing has been going on for decades.

1045
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: But be there like seven other analogs. You can look

1046
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: at Russian Ukraine, you know, And I think it's like

1047
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: we're more willing to process these types of things as

1048
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 3: an element of Superman rather than making the whole movie

1049
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: out of that totally, because it's too terrifying to look

1050
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: at it directly. And also we're getting it directly beamed

1051
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: into our phones as well, which changes every did like

1052
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: our response to it. And I mean, I think purt

1053
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: Locker is the only war film to win Best Picture

1054
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years. I'd say, like explicitly war film. Uh,

1055
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: And that's a movie that is a character study, right.

1056
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: It was the only one that was well received in

1057
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: that run of films, right, because it's not a political

1058
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: but it's about what it is like to be a

1059
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: soldier in a war rather than the war.

1060
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other two that I think exists are American

1061
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Sniper and Zero Dark thirty. Yeah, and those are the

1062
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: two where they can make America the hero, like you

1063
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they can find a way

1064
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: one because they're just basing on a memoir of a

1065
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: guy who's like making shit off kind of and then

1066
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: Zero Dark thirty is like, oh, we're fucking killing then

1067
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Lutton and obviously it's like, you know, more morally complex

1068
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: than that. But I think that might but those two

1069
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: being the only two that like broke through. An American

1070
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: Sniper broke through in like a major wa like he

1071
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: was huge, but.

1072
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: Zero Dark thirty was also like a very big hit

1073
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: and was seen as the best Picture front runner until

1074
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: many centers spoke out against it and kind of like

1075
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: made it too much of a hot potato.

1076
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think those two breaking through

1077
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: b makes it that Like that's where I get the

1078
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: idea that it's like because we don't want to be complicit,

1079
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: we don't like the fact that it's still happening. We

1080
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: feel we feel guilty that it's still happening, and so

1081
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: we just like need to just leave it over there

1082
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: unless you can tell us the story where we're like, oh,

1083
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: hell yeah, We're like we're doing a thing that matters.

1084
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: I think also, like killing bin Laden closed a loop.

1085
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you.

1086
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: Could break off a story. Yeah, exactly, a movie I

1087
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: found very fascinating. But one of the things I like

1088
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: about is the ending of the movie is this kind

1089
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: of like Dustin Hawkins sitting in the bus at the

1090
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: end of the graduate being like, fuck, what do I

1091
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: do now?

1092
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1093
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: It has this very like striking ending of Jessica Chastain

1094
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: having completed the thing clearly with this expression on her

1095
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: face of like what now. I don't feel good. We

1096
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: haven't solved this right, yeah, Like we're stuck in the

1097
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: aft math of this. We got the guy, but it

1098
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: doesn't like vindicate anything. That's why I love Thin Red Line.

1099
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: The entire movie is mostly like beauty and confusion. You're

1100
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: never there.

1101
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: It's like it's truly an anti war film because at

1102
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: no point you're like, hey, that's pretty badass. Actually yeah yeah.

1103
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: I Also it was like, right after hurt Locker, She's like,

1104
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: I want to do the Bin Laden movie, and she

1105
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: sets it up before they got him. She had written

1106
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: it and cast it. Ruoney Marro was going to play

1107
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: the Jessica Chestain part. They had like half of the

1108
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: supporting cast set, they were prepping it, and then the

1109
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: sealed Team six rate happened and she was like, I

1110
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: got to rebuild the movie.

1111
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1112
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: And the first version of the movie I think would

1113
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 3: have not worked at all beyond the fact of like

1114
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: imagining it coming out in the world where there was

1115
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: an ending that the movie wasn't acknowledging. I don't think

1116
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: anyone in that moment would have wanted to see that,

1117
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Whereas the actual movie came out like two years after

1118
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: with enough distance, and I think it was speaking to

1119
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: a desire of like, if we're stuck in Forever Wars,

1120
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: is there at least a way to break this into volumes? Yeah,

1121
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: we can start to process one thing as complete, of course.

1122
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: A new hope, Yeah, we'll store. A huge aspect of

1123
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: storytelling is conclusion.

1124
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: We need things resolved, and American Sniper has like a

1125
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: very dark resolution. Yes, you know, by framing it around

1126
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: one guy and being like and.

1127
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: He died right, oh yeah, tragically, and therefore you don't

1128
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: have to like feel weird and like think about too

1129
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: much what he was doing over there, because what he

1130
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: was doing at the end was undoubtedly good. So we're

1131
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: all good here, right, good? Yeah, yeah, right, not have.

1132
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: To ask the question how do we actually feel about sniping?

1133
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 3: We really love sniping.

1134
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: You know, two movies that come together are I'm thinking

1135
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: of as we're talking through this is like where it's

1136
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: like it doesn't really come to a conclusion. Is a Cecario?

1137
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah you know that that it's like this secret war,

1138
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: just the shady side of how we're conducting ourselves as

1139
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: a country and these other countries. And it's kind of

1140
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: at the end like a shrug of just like hey, yeah,

1141
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: this is fucked up.

1142
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is like the opposite of propaganda basically, right right,

1143
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: you know, but it connects to one of my favorite

1144
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: Vietnam era movies, or sure of the Rambo films, which

1145
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: start with a morally complex one about like the you know,

1146
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: moral weight of like what we made soldiers do over there.

1147
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: This is the business end of the psychological trauma we

1148
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: put people through it.

1149
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: And then the second one he just goes back and

1150
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: wins Vietnam. Yeah, and then Sacario has to a lesser degree,

1151
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: but it has a sequel that's just like fuck, this

1152
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: is fun. This is like an amazing action movie version

1153
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: of the first one without all the nasty guilt and

1154
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: like ambiguity, ambiguity, and then.

1155
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 3: Predator I think is a fascinating almost like response film too,

1156
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 3: Rambo of sharing. Oh so you guys just want to

1157
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: see the biggest guy go in and solve the jungle, right, right, yeah,

1158
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: fucking he's gonna get eat my monster.

1159
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1160
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: We're like walking into things we don't understand. Yeah, yeah,

1161
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: the ultimate ratifications. If we're talking about war films with

1162
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: cultural staying power. By the way, we should acknowledge the

1163
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: Infinity War and the many heroes we lost in the blip. Okay,

1164
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: we got them back thankfully.

1165
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm still grieving. I mean, you know, I'm

1166
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: sure we got him back. Never forget, you never forget?

1167
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Should we? Actually just a moment of silence for the Yeah,

1168
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: I think twenty minutes.

1169
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: On the podcast. But that's a war we got closure to.

1170
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

1171
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the good guy did the snap and everything's good now.

1172
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 4: I really my hope is that one day we'll be

1173
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 4: able to make movies so well we won't have to

1174
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 4: do war anymore.

1175
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: It'd be great, that'd be pretty cool. I've always said,

1176
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: the only solution to a bad guy with a snap

1177
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: is a good guy with us.

1178
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Avengers real quick, we'll do speed round

1179
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: of a couple ideas I wanted to hit. Do you

1180
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: guys buy into the idea that like sex has gone

1181
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: away from movies and that like there's a great essay

1182
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: everybody's beautiful, nobody's horny, or something along those lines that

1183
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: talks about how like our blockbuster movies are full of

1184
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: like attractive people who like don't even have like sexual energy.

1185
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: Really they're not, like you don't think of them as

1186
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: sexual beings, and that you like, we had a whole

1187
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: genre of movies that was just like Michael Douglas fux

1188
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: and like his Horny. That's a whole type of movie.

1189
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: And those movies are like explicit in every sense. They

1190
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: are like sexually visually explicit, but they are also like

1191
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: textually explicit. Yes, I think the thing that we've lost

1192
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: more is like movies that have sexual energy, right right,

1193
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: Like one I think of all the time is Pelican

1194
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: Brief where they cast Denzil Washington the character in the

1195
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: book was white. Yes, everyone freaked out. Even in fucking

1196
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: nineties America, they were like people might revolt of Denzel

1197
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: Washington Julia Roberts kiss. And so that is a movie

1198
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: that is loaded with sexual chemistry that never actually like

1199
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: comes to a pass. They were too worried about showing

1200
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: them visually do anything, and yet the movie feels horny

1201
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: as right, and I think almost all Hollywood movies used

1202
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: to have that, right, Like, there is this innate voyeurism

1203
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: to films where it's like we want to watch hot

1204
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: people beat together and either they're doing stuff or we're

1205
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: like charging the space in between them of like they

1206
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: do stuff, they did stuff. And it's also like, you know,

1207
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: a lot of this is I'm guilty of this as well.

1208
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: A lot of this is blamed on like is there

1209
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: a younger generation that is like more skittich and like

1210
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 3: sort of anxious, you know, neurotic about ideas of sex

1211
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: and power dynamics and all this, And is that why

1212
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: movies don't want.

1213
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: To touch them?

1214
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: But you're also like shipping culture has only increased for

1215
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: the last twenty five years, you know, and like to

1216
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: an extent where people are just like I like to

1217
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: imagine that these two side characters that don't even talk

1218
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: are dating and draw them in this kind of way.

1219
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is like this, that

1220
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: that the two thousands, especially the twenty tens, were really

1221
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: defined by this obsession with the global box office and

1222
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: like Hollywood films as being this exported product where for

1223
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 3: a couple of years the international grosses of movies were

1224
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: overtaking the domestic grosses, and you read about in different

1225
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: countries and different territories they just have like entirely different

1226
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: cultural standards in some cases like very extreme censorship boards.

1227
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: But also the Hollywood got really in their head about learning,

1228
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: like you know, in China, you can't release a movie

1229
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: with ghosts.

1230
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 1: Right, you know by Star Wars tanks over there.

1231
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are all these metrics they have to process

1232
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: that I think just kind of blanded a lot of

1233
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: things out.

1234
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: They just don't want to offend anyone absolutely.

1235
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: I also want to want to say that we should

1236
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 4: also consider the fact that sex is.

1237
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: Icky's right, gross and bad. There is like an under honestly, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1238
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of young people are like,

1239
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: don't show me that that's gross, Like stop putting that

1240
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: in my movies. But then like I wonder how much

1241
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: of it, so like I'm of two minds about this one.

1242
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: I think there's like something weird and interesting happening with

1243
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: you know how Starship Troopers is like has sex, but

1244
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: it like doesn't really have like sexual energy.

1245
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like nudity that's just like completely

1246
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: cut off. And it's a movie about fascism. Like I

1247
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: think that that's an important part of fascism, is like

1248
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: beautiful people without like sexual energy, and like.

1249
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: It's a beat that Forhoven repeats twice he doesn't RoboCop

1250
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: and Starship Troopers where he's like, this is a culture

1251
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 3: where men and women can shower together, right, and there's

1252
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: no sense of sexual danger. Like in both of those films,

1253
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: you have like locker rooms like cops and like soldiers, yeah,

1254
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: who are just fully naked in a mass space and

1255
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: they can like slap in asses like the football the

1256
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: Starship Troopers, there's like kind of like well they won't

1257
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: they jousting banter, and even still there's no threat of

1258
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: actual physical things happening. Right, We've almost become a post

1259
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: sexual society.

1260
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: Despite the incredible proliferation of pornography, which is always right,

1261
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 4: So that's what so part of me thinks like it's

1262
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 4: interesting that like this, uh you know, everybody is like

1263
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: in great shape, hot and like not horny for one

1264
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: another is happening as we're like descending into fascism in

1265
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 4: our country.

1266
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: Like maybe those two are related. The other part of

1267
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: me is just like, oh, it's because like porn's everywhere

1268
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, no, I see that over there. Get

1269
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: this the fuck out of my movies.

1270
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 4: Like, and I think the shipping thing is also about romance,

1271
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 4: it is, right, So I think that's an interesting place

1272
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 4: for movies to ConfL.

1273
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: Once again, it's like that's about tension, Like it doesn't

1274
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: need to escalate to nude scenes, to physicality, you know,

1275
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: but a lot of that energy is dissipated where I

1276
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes the shipping is like my head canon is,

1277
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: and you're like imagining a dynamic that is not actually

1278
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 3: depicted in the film because in a way, they're almost

1279
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: lung for any sense of that tension existing. Yeah, even

1280
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: if it doesn't have to be the center. I also

1281
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: think perhaps a culprit that is not discussed as much

1282
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 3: is the rise of like pay cable television, which got

1283
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: very sexual, right. I don't say this in like a

1284
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: pejorative way of that so sexual, but like you know,

1285
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: suddenly HBO and then Showtime and then like all these

1286
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: things we're making Christie's shows, not like skin Amax softcore films,

1287
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: right for Pristie shows that started leaning really hard into

1288
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 3: nudity and sex scenes where it was almost like a prerequisite.

1289
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: And then you're starting to see shows where you're like,

1290
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 3: did they green light Californiication solely because it's a perfect

1291
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: format to have twelve boobs an episode? You know, were

1292
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: Masters of Sex or whatever? Like it felt like things

1293
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: were skewing that way, and I think a lot of

1294
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: that was a pushing of these are things you thought

1295
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 3: you could never see on television. Sure, TV's getting serious,

1296
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 3: it's growing up, right, We're showing you the most forbidden

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Speaker 3: things that you're not used to seeing at home. And

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Speaker 3: did that kind of swap the power dynamic where then

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Speaker 3: sex scenes and movies started to feel like a TV thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because even in like Game of Thrones, I remember

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Speaker 4: seeing it was like there there was nudity, but it

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Speaker 4: felt like the weirdest like softcore porn nudity with like

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Speaker 4: this is Dragon time, but also these it's clear these

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Speaker 4: women at fake breasts like it was.

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Speaker 3: Just all this Spartaca shows are very horny, like all

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Speaker 3: those things. I do think something shifted there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you did refer to Game of Thrones

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Speaker 1: as dragon time.

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Speaker 3: I remember, Yeah, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it on this Dragon time.

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Speaker 3: It's two thousand and Dragon the year. All right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we can keep this conversation going for

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Speaker 1: three hours, but we have to stop. It was amazing

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Speaker 1: having you guys. Thank you so much for doing it. Ben.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you anything you want

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Speaker 1: to plug?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me on ig It's just my name.

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Speaker 2: If you're interested in fashion. I have a brand Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: It's congrat Wyo you relations dot com. Yeah, got some

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Speaker 2: fun stuff there. Give you a little taste. I have

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Speaker 2: a shirt with a dog right on the front. It's

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Speaker 2: long sleeve. Once sleeve says you are the other one

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Speaker 2: says a dog.

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Speaker 1: So got that dog in you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly if you've got that dog in.

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Speaker 3: You, And if you don't have that dog in you yet, yeah,

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 3: you can get that dog on.

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Speaker 4: You exactly like Truman Show will bleed in internal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also put out every year an annual

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Speaker 2: holiday album called Slow Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a little early in the ear, but

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Speaker 2: you know what, why not get in the Christmas mood

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Speaker 2: and slow it down.

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Speaker 3: Of course, my previous volumes are up on bank camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wherever you get music, band Camp, Spotify.

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Speaker 1: So what kind of songs we were talking about here,

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Speaker 1: like Christmas classics?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Christmas classics, originals, nice, all kinds of.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, but slower, very slow. Yeah, it's just normal Christmas

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Speaker 1: song slowed really.

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Speaker 2: I know because you so. I started there with it

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: chopped and screwed. But now that I've been bringing bands

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: into the mix, they got to do it live. Yeah,

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: they can't do it in posts. It's got to be authentic. Nice.

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Speaker 1: He's given idente hands. Is there a working media that

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Speaker 1: you've been into.

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, you know what, I'll give a shout out

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Speaker 2: to Wild Pink, the band. They put on an album

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 2: somewhat recently. It's just excellent. I wasn't familiar with their

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Speaker 2: music before. I'm a huge fan. Nice, I highly recommend.

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Speaker 2: And then the label they're on, fire Talk, has other

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: great artists, so check it out.

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Speaker 1: That's what the gen Z refers to this podcast as

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Speaker 1: fire Talk. You know, sorry, I'm very old Griffin. Is

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Speaker 1: there a working media you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 3: I'm Griff Lightning on the social platform, although I try

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: to use them with a great discretion put boundaries around

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Speaker 3: post the man looking but like Grease Lightning with the

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Speaker 3: first half of my name in it. Blink checks the

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Speaker 3: podcast we do. We're doing the comments for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the year. We also have a Patreon where we

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Speaker 3: do film franchises instead of going director base. Right now

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: we're doing a sort of self curated franchise of nineties

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Speaker 3: indie comic heroes adaptations. Nice so crow masks, Spawn.

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Speaker 2: Dread spawn.

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Speaker 3: Spawn where they could.

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Speaker 2: A spawn And I don't know, it's just that this

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Speaker 2: hits for me. Is the chain.

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Speaker 3: He loves the chain work.

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Speaker 2: Your chain guys are talking, oh, swinging, use it as

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Speaker 2: a weapon.

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Speaker 3: He's wearing them. They're coming out of him.

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Speaker 2: And blossoing with it. It's just it's everything.

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Speaker 1: What's the wetness on the Oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: One is kind of slimy in that. Yeah, it does

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01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 3: feel like they're slicking him down with something.

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Speaker 2: The rubber suit and of course clown he is just

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Speaker 2: so sticky. Yeah, yeahs out.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the Action Boys. Another film podcast,

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Speaker 1: has a theory on the difference between Vietnam and other

1382
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Speaker 1: movies is that Vietnam is wet and green, and people

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Speaker 1: like green and like like the other movies are like

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Speaker 1: too dry, saying.

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Speaker 3: That two sides of Ben's personal.

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Speaker 1: That these two sides myself because one there are to climates.

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Speaker 2: It's dry, you know what I mean. And then yet

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Speaker 2: you have like wet dripping Yeah, so dramatic, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the wetness is its very dramatic, cinematic. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I want to pitch my meme real quick, my Apocalypse

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 4: now meme real quick. The idea that I have is

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Speaker 4: that you know, when Martin Sheen comes out of the

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Speaker 4: swamp really slowly and he's got that thing if he

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Speaker 4: sees something he doesn't like and you just reverse it

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Speaker 4: where he slowly goes back.

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Speaker 3: That really I just want to I want to call

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Speaker 3: out media. I like the great Jamie Loft has just

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Speaker 3: announced that she's ending her podcast Sixteenth Minute of Fame,

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Speaker 3: largely because it was a herculean task that she's done

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Speaker 3: for several years. It's a very labor intensive show, but

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Speaker 3: it's one of the best podcasts I've ever heard, and

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Speaker 3: she studies people who entered the zeitgeist in our kind

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: of modern internet way, and then sort of follows up

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 3: with what it's like to be someone who went viral,

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: who transcended the culture in a moment, circling back to them,

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: and yeah, she like anthologically breaks down what the thing

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Speaker 3: was and why it caught on and what it says

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01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: about us, and then goes back and talks to them

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01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 3: as people and really sees the poet positive and negative

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Speaker 3: effects of becoming the main character in that kind of way.

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Speaker 3: I think it's an incredible show.

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Speaker 1: So Jamie's the best frequent She was like on at

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: least once a week when this podcast started and is

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Speaker 1: the best. And that show's on a cool zone Media,

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Speaker 1: so go check it out. Great recommendation, great pocket. We're

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Speaker 1: big fans. Yeah, where can people find you? Is there

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Speaker 1: a work media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? At mort Burke on the socials, I like as

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Speaker 4: the skateboarding liaison for this that's right.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even get into any skater culture. Always shoehorn

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Speaker 1: it in no matter where I am, and I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the new sci fi fantasy video came out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: pretty sick.

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Speaker 3: Jerry it's got a it's got a really cool interesting,

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Speaker 3: vaguely blade runner cyberpunk ish old Internet like art design.

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Speaker 1: It's cool.

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01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, what's your grind?

1429
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 3: Was like what a step dad question?

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Speaker 1: What's your foot Where can people find you? Did you

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Speaker 1: tell me?

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Speaker 3: At mort Burke and she got Spiritually Filthy?

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Speaker 4: My stand up special on YouTube and also my wife

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Speaker 4: Ashley birch Is and my podcast Rebrand.

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Speaker 1: Rebrand, very good podcast. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and Twitter at Jack Underscore, Brian blue Sky at Jack

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Speaker 1: ob the Number One. You can find us on Twitter

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 1: and blue Sky The Zeitgeist where the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You can go to the description of this episode wherever

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Speaker 1: you're listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes,

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: which is where we link off to the information that

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Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode. We probably won't do

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Speaker 1: that today because we were kind of all over the map.

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Speaker 1: But instead my work of media is going to be

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Speaker 1: go check out blank check. Hey, Yeah, you can find

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01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: a lot of very interesting, thoughtful, well sourced Can.

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Speaker 3: I Change my? Can I change my?

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Speaker 1: As well? Which much nicer than what I said, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying very concise episodes track tight Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, just forewarned three hours.

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Speaker 1: We also in the footnotes like to link off to

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Speaker 1: a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles is

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Speaker 1: out on assignment, and so when that's the case, we

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: always like to bring in super producer Justin Connor to

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Speaker 1: uh tell you about a song that we think you

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Speaker 1: might enjoy. A super pro just I'm walking over the mic. Yeah,

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01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: here in the flesh. Yeah, belated again. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. I'm doing a good job.

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Speaker 2: You're doing a great job. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep the slow music theme going. That's for

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01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 5: Ben's suggestion. And uh, there's this song called Yasashi that

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Speaker 5: you might have heard on TikTok at some point, I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna recommend the slowed down version because it makes a

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Speaker 5: sexy song even sexier.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There's some floaty scents, some some really nice flutes that

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Speaker 5: are going on in there, and then there's a saxophonist

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Speaker 5: that is just going crazy the entire time of this track.

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Speaker 5: So this song is called Yasashi slowed by Casper. You

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Speaker 5: use an X instead of an A in the word

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Speaker 5: Casper and you can find that song in the footnote.

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Speaker 1: Footnote The Dailies Guys the production called iHeart Radio For

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Speaker 1: more podcast from my Heart Radio visits the iHeartRadio Wrap

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast. Wherever you listen to your favorite shows, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. We're back this afternoon

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Speaker 1: to tell you what's trending and we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you all then bye. The Daily Guys is exactly produced

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Speaker 1: by Catherine Long, co produced by by Wang.

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Speaker 3: Co produced by Victor Wright, co written by j M mcnapp,

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Speaker 3: edited and engineered by Justin Conner,