1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Last Dance, Last Chance audition 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: as the Bengals get set for their preseason finale in Washington, 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: giving players one last chance to make their case for 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster or the sixteen man practice 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: squad coming up. Dave Lapham joins me to discuss some 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: key topics at this stage of the preseason, including the 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: most important one of all. Will Joe Burrow be the 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: starting quarterback in Week one at Cleveland? Then I'll talk 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: to one of those guys who is hoping for a 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: big game on Saturday night to improve his chances of 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: sticking around undrafted wide receiver Shdrick Jackson. The Bengals Booth 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps. More than 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand customers trust Paycrep to help them recruit, pay, engage, 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: and retain employees. Learn more at pay Corps. Now. Here's 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: a quick reminder that you can have the latest edition 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: greatest thing since seeing the All Time greats in person. 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: One of my goals as a sports fanatic is to 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: see the legends of my lifetime in person if possible. 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: I've been incredibly lucky. I've seen Michael Jordan, dunk Ken, 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: Griffy Junior swing, Tiger Woods drive, Tom Brady pass, and 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Roger Federer serve. And now I can add Leonel Messi 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: to the list. The soccer legend didn't disappoint on Wednesday 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: night with two sublime assists and a successful penalty shootout 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: strike in Miami's dramatic win over FC Cincinnati. I thought 28 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: my friend Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen and Cincinnati described 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: the superstars heroics perfectly when he tweeted that is inevitable 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the true superstars usually are. Now let's get to football 31 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: and to look at some key questions at this stage 32 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: of training camp with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: With one game left in the preseason, the number two 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: quarterback job is still up in the air. Jake Browning 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: has the better stats so far, but he has never 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: thrown a pass and in a regular season NFL game. 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Trevor Simion has thirty starts under his belt. Where do 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: you think things stand right now. 39 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's a close competition, there's no question. I mean, 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: I think you point out the thing that you're going 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: to have to On one side of it, got a 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: young guy, very inexperienced. You got a veteran player that's 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: seen a lot, been exposed to a lot of different offenses, 44 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: a lot of different situations, maybe not on the football field, 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: but has experienced and then has more reps obviously on 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: the football field as well, so you weigh that experience. 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: The flip side of it, got a younger guy who 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: has been in the Bengals system longer, who has done 49 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: as well. You know, it's almost a dead heat, and 50 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: he's younger. So I mean those that's that's the that's 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: the quandary. I'm gonna have to make a decision. It's 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: gonna come come right down to it looks like the 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, the practices are equally important, I think then 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: as the performances. And they've done as good a job 55 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: as they possibly can in terms of guys having quote, 56 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: you know, maybe better players around them. Not to give 57 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: an edge one way or the other in terms of 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: well they always had the you know, the backup at 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: every position. Not guys struggling and trying to make the 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: final roster kind of thing. So all those go into 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: one big pot and you stir it up and come 62 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: up with a decision. I mean, it's it's a it's 63 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: a definite battle. There's no question. 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Does one or the other have to be the backup? 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: At least in week one. I could see them bringing 66 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: in another quarterback from somebody else's roster, but it's hard 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: for me to imagine that guy would immediately become the backup. 68 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: What do you think? 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Dan, I mean I think, 70 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: you know, just unlearning and relearning terminology that would be 71 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: you know, stressful. It's not like, depending on who the 72 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: quarterback is and how much experience he has, just about 73 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: any quarterback would understand the concepts that the Bengals are 74 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: talking about and what they'd be you know, presenting to 75 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: that individual to understand. But then what do you call it? 76 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: What's the terminology? And you know, sometimes you can be 77 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: bogged down a little bit just by language alone in 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: terms of communication and calling the play properly and all 79 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: that sort of thing in the huddle for everybody else. 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: So I think it would be you know, not impossible, 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: but a tough, tough task for sure, to have somebody 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: come in off the street and and you know, God forbid, 83 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: have to be the guy, you know, to lead him 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: up there in Cleveland on the road against the Browns. 85 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: If the backup has to play, And hopefully that's not 86 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: the case now. One name that we've talked about off air, 87 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: people have started to speculate in various places is Brandon Allen, 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: who's been Joe Burrow's backup for the last three years. 89 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: Right now, he's in San Francisco. By all accounts, he's 90 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: number four on their depth chart. Hard to believe they'll 91 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: keep four. They got rock Perty, Sam Darnold and Trey Lance. 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: If he's cut, as is widely expected, should the Bengals 93 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: try to sign him at least to the practice squad. 94 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: I think that'd be a good move if, in fact, 95 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: you know, that could present itself, because here's a guy 96 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: that obviously understands this offense and when he called upon, 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: he had some decent performance. I mean, he went out 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: there and executed that game down in Houston. He put 99 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: up some really good numbers, no question about it. And 100 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: I think he's highly respected by people in the organization. 101 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: By Joe Burrow. I think, you know, the quarterback room 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: would be welcoming him with open arms. So it would 103 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: be a very very smooth and easy transition and something 104 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: that has some potential possibly. 105 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: One thing to keep in mind is if he is cut, 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: the Bengal might not be the only team that goes 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: after him. There's been speculation that the Rams would be interested. 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: He's familiar with Sean McVay from having time having spent 109 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: time there as a backup. So just because he's cut 110 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the Bengals have a free opportunity. And by free, 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about dollars and cents, but can just 112 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: automatically add him. He's going to consider whatever options he 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: might have. 114 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and uh, you know he's a vested player 115 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: obviously more than four four vested years, so he's free. 116 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: He doesn't have to go through like guys years one, two, 117 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: and three. If they're let go, they have to go 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: through the draft order, you know, just the teams that 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: finish worst to best. You know, they get the teams 120 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: that finish worst get the best shot, first shot, I 121 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: should say, and then all the way up to the 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: to the best team in the NFL. Having the final shot. So, 123 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: but he is, he's free to he's free to go 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: anywhere and uh and choose a situation he thinks it's 125 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: best for him. So yeah, it'd be interesting. It'd be 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: interesting to see and he would just because of his 127 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: experience with head coaches that are still in the National 128 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: Football League, he would draw some interest, There's no question. 129 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: So we were watching practice the other day. I was 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: on one part of the field. You were studying the 131 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: offensive line. You walked over to me raving about Jackson 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: Carmen's physical ability. It hasn't consistently carried over when he's 133 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: played in games. Is it confidence? Is it technique? Why 134 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: do you think those great tools don't consistently produce great performance? 135 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think consistency is is, you know, 136 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: more more of a mental thing. Focus, concentration, you know, 137 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: don't don't let your mind stray, don't be overcome by 138 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: something if if if there's movement in the defensive front, 139 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: you know, don't freeze. Uh, you know, try to try 140 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: to keep yourself in as good a mindset as you 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: possibly can, because if if he's playing free and easy 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: mentally physically, he can get it done. I mean physically 143 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: he's got he's got a heck of a toolbox, he 144 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: really does. But I think it is it's it's just 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: you know, now, now he might be in a little 146 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: bit of a situation where he was pressing, you know, 147 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: some who knows what's going through the mind of a 148 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: young guy like that. But if he goes up to 149 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage with confidence, knowing that this is 150 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: exactly what I'm going to do, if they make this 151 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: kind of an adjustment, I know this is what I'm 152 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: going to do, and hesitancy just kills you. I mean, 153 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: if you if you're if you have any doubt when 154 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: the ball is snapped and you're thinking should I do 155 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: this or do that, it's it's done. You're you're beaten 156 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: before the play even starts. So the physical part of 157 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: it is just a part of it, and it's a 158 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: good part to have, but all areas of the mental 159 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: aspect of the game, you don't have to be fine 160 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: tuned as well. And I think that's where you know 161 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: he's he's had a little bit of a struggle, you know. 162 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: And then if you do have a problem physically, like 163 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: you didn't take the proper step, that's a mental thing 164 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, physically you're capable of doing it, 165 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: but mentally, if you took an improper angle or whatever 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: the case may be, now, all of a sudden, you 167 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: doubt yourself again. And you know that is the worst 168 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: enemy of anything in any athlete in the sports. Self 169 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: doubt kills you, destroys you. 170 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: The only offensive starter who has played so far in 171 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: the preseason and will probably be the only start of 172 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: the plays in the preseason, is Jonah Williams of right tackle. 173 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: He got his first NFL snaps at right tackle last 174 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: week in Atlanta. How'd you think he did? 175 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: I thought he did pretty well. You know, I think 176 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: there was a mix up in the in that drive 177 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: in that there was a play that was supposed to 178 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: be changed, and I think formationally it looked like it 179 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: was odd he was doing an assignment on the backside 180 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: that you wouldn't do on the backside, you'd do on 181 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: the front side, and so there was some sort of problem. 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: When I looked at it again, it's like, you know, 183 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: it makes Jonah look really bad, But I think it 184 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: might even been a back lined up on the wrong 185 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: side of the quarter back. From a formation standpoint, the 186 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: whole thing was disjointed. And that's the only snap where 187 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: it looked like you know, in first blush was like, good, 188 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: that didn't look But I don't think it was I 189 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: don't think it was his problem necessarily. I think it 190 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: was something else and he was doing what he was 191 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 2: supposed to do. And that's the thing if you don't know, 192 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: if you're looking at something, say, oh man, that guy 193 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: just got his butt kicked, Well, what if the play 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: design was supposed to be something totally different. He was 195 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: doing exactly what he was supposed to do and you 196 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: don't know that. So the only people that know that 197 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: are the coaches and the players. So sometimes things can 198 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: look one way and they're totally another. That's the danger 199 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: of being quote, Okay, I'm going to grade this. Well, 200 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: you don't know exactly what everybody's supposed to do on 201 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: every single play sometimes. But with all that said, I 202 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: thought that he was fluid. I thought he felt comfortable, 203 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: looked like he felt comfortable anyway. You could tell he'd 204 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: worked at it, and the whole time he was rehabbing 205 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: that knee injury, he was doing something. You know, once 206 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 2: he found out that they were going to make the 207 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: move to the right tackle position. He definitely took a 208 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: bunch of sets and you know, time on task, a 209 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: repetition breeds, comfortablevel all that stuff. It's not like, you know, 210 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: he sat around just feeling sorry for himself. I got 211 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: to give him a lot of credit. You know, he 212 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: went to work and uh and fine tuned, you know, 213 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: reversing the sets. It's it's it's interesting people think, oh, 214 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: that's that's easy to do. It's not a lot of 215 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: times it's not if you're you know, not not everybody 216 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: can be ambidexterous, you know. And uh, and it's a 217 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: it's a totally different feel and it's almost like you 218 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: have to remake yourself, you know. It's like you have 219 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: a certain way of doing things on the right side, 220 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: then a certain way of doing things on the left side. 221 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: I can speak from experience on that, because you do have, 222 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: you know, a dominant side and you have to make 223 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: adjustments and all that sort of thing. So I thought 224 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: that with all of that having having unfolded in a 225 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: short period of time for him, I thought he looked 226 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: pretty darn good. I thought he acquitted himself. Well. 227 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: He told me this week he's reached the point where 228 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to think about this hand, this foot, 229 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff anymore. Moving from left to right. 230 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: Is that kind of the first big key. All right, 231 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: you're no longer having to process which side you're. 232 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: On it is because as we know in this league, 233 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: it's fast. I mean, it's instantaneous. So if you're again 234 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: you know, okay, I have to make sure I got 235 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: to put this okay on this play. Yeah, this right 236 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: hand has to be at this number, and it has 237 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: to be just like a reactionary. It has to be 238 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: second nature. And again that's you know, that self doubt. 239 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily doubt, but it's not quite totally sure 240 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: of it being like an instantaneous reaction. That that that 241 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: makes it harder. That that puts a lot of stress 242 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: on the player. So the more time on task and 243 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: the more repetition he gets, and then now it's going 244 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: to be interesting because you know, he hasn't gotten any 245 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: reps with the right guard that he's going to be 246 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: playing with the opener up there in Cleveland, So it's 247 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: going to be a little bit of an adjustment there. 248 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: It'll be time on task with live bullets, so it'll 249 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: be an interesting thing to watch how it progresses. 250 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Much more to come with lap including his thoughts on 251 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: the likelihood that chitabey A Woogie and Joe Burrow will 252 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: play in the season opener. 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The stuff that he said about 262 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: chess in and of itself made it a great listen. 263 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Cheeto started doing eleven on eleven stuff this week. He 264 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: looks great physically, That's been the case for several weeks, 265 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: but he is not committing yet to playing in week one. 266 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: He says he'll know when he's ready. What do you think? 267 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: I guess maybe I'm a combination of thinking and hoping. 268 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: But I just watching him flip his hips and run 269 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: and the things that he did. And it's not only 270 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,119 Speaker 2: in seven on seven and team it was. It was impressive. 271 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: It was really impressive. So I do think, you know, 272 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: like like he said on the podcast, he goes, I 273 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: felt like I'd play aff to four months. You know, 274 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: I felt that good. But you can't do that. But 275 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: that tells you the type of condition that he's in, 276 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: the type of athlete he is. You know, these guys, 277 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: their bodies are like it's ridiculous. I mean, they're so 278 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: capable of bouncing back from serious trauma in such a 279 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: short period of time. It really is incredible. But yeah, 280 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: I think, you know, he's been taking a ton of 281 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: mental reps. He's been out there into it the whole time. 282 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: And you know, if now you start to fall into 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: a category like Joe Burrow of you know, it's you're 284 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: you're fresh, You're you're not beating up at all. You 285 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: don't have any training camp, nicks, bumps, bruises, nothing. I mean, 286 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: you feel as good as you've ever felt going into 287 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: a start in a regular season, because you know, you've 288 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: taken some mental things and you've done some of the 289 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: of the work here down the stretch, and hopefully for 290 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: both of them a couple of weeks prior to that 291 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: first regular season game they'll get significant work in. But 292 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: that's that's the positive of it. It's like, man, I've 293 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: never felt better in my life to start an NFL 294 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: regular season. 295 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Cheetah is very intellectual. He may even be a little 296 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: bit superstitious. I don't know, but he's going back to 297 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: the quote unquote scene at the crime. The injury happened 298 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: at Cleveland on Halloween. That's where the Bengals open. He's 299 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: going to be competing against his good friend Amari Cooper, 300 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: That's who he was kind of ring when it happened. 301 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: He might just be the type of person that he's 302 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: not going to talk about it until he is out 303 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: on that field in Week one. 304 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: I agree, you know, I think I think he wants to, uh, 305 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, control the narrative and the drama and everything 306 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: associated with it as best he possibly can. And and 307 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: the best way to do that is to is to 308 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: not be definitive, you know as to what your what 309 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: your plans are. So I it's gonna be it is 310 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: though it's so the coincidences are so like, man, it's 311 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: almost like there's something else in control of this thing. 312 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: It is weird. The football gods are saying, let's take 313 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: let's let's test this guy's metal by by all of 314 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: these circumstances. And uh. And honestly, the football gods owe 315 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: him a year of leaving him alone in terms of 316 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: an injury standpoint, because the guy had to go through 317 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: quite a bit and he certainly did it well. 318 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Bengals leading receivers. So in the 319 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: preseason andre Yosi Vosh nine catches for ninety four yards. 320 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: He's been targeted twenty times in the two preseason games. 321 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: When the Bengals drafted him out of Princeton, I think 322 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: I used the expression of lottery ticket at the time. 323 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking big, strong, fast, IVY League athlete with a 324 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: track background. It's going to take a while. He's going 325 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: to be a project. I was wrong. He's not a project. 326 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best six receivers on 327 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: the team. What do you think? 328 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Agreed? One percent agreed? And I think I think the 329 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: organization is a little bit surprised about how far along 330 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: he is in terms of being an NFL caliber receiver. 331 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: And the thing that I admire about him, he had 332 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: a tendency early in training camp even to use his body, 333 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, and not get the full extension of his arms. 334 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: That's a big plus for him. He's six ' three 335 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: with long arms. His catching radius is big, and he 336 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: wasn't even utilizing it fully yet. And you know, I 337 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: give I give credit where credits due. I mean, he 338 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: was coached and he accepted the coaching, and he extended 339 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: those arms. And he's starting you know, he's catching with 340 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: his hands now and not not catching with his body 341 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: as much. And he's made a dramatic improvement in terms 342 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: of high pointing and contested catches and that sort of thing. 343 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 2: And I think there's no doubt that the thing that 344 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: has impressed the coaching staff is his ability to Receivers 345 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: have to read things and make adjustments like quarterbacks, you know, 346 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: on coverages, when they're running routes, they have to be 347 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: on the same page as the quarterback. And just because 348 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: you're an IVY League educated person, that's intelligence doesn't necessarily 349 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: equate to football IQ, and particularly if you haven't experienced 350 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: all that, and it's just such a higher level He's 351 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: been pretty seamless and flawless in that regard, which is good. 352 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: So he's got not only raw intelligence, he's got a 353 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: really strong football IQ as well. And you know he's 354 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: a sponge, just like what else you got for me. 355 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: I mean he's taken all the coaching in and looking 356 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: for more. And that's what That's what you love is 357 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: a guy that you know, the Good Lord blessed with 358 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: all these physical attributes. Well, he wants to be great. 359 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean he wants to be do everything he possibly 360 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: can to maximize that and accepting coaching the right way 361 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: is a great way to do it. And it's like 362 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: Courtel Volson's like that, you know, the young left guard. 363 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: I mean he's physically gifted, but you know he knows 364 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 2: that he needs to maximize what the Good Lord has 365 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: given him. And that guy works man, and Yosi Vash 366 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: is the same. I mean they have a lot of 367 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: young players and a lot of players period on this 368 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: football team that really work hard. 369 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of Cordel Olson, what do you make of Joe 370 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: Mixon saying he is a potential Hall of Famer at 371 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: this stage of his career. 372 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: Pumped the brakes a little bit, But I like it. 373 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I really like it. It's great when teammates 374 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: have that kind of feeling about another teammate. But I've 375 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: I had conversation with Cordel Volson and said, you know, 376 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 2: even from this year, I said, oh, you know, watching 377 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: you this year as compared to last year, man, you 378 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: really worked at it. And he's, you know, three hundred 379 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds with the lowest body fat any 380 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: offensive lineman. So he has done it right. He's worked 381 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: extremely hard. And you know, he looked at me and 382 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: he said, you know, I want to be great, man. 383 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: My goal is to be great. I just don't want 384 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: to be okay or you know, good, I want to 385 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: be great. And I'm like, that's half the battle right there, man, 386 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, having that kind of an attitude. So, I mean, 387 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: he's a guy that any offensive line coach would love 388 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: to work with. And he's got a good one to 389 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: work with. Frank Pollock is a guy that gives you 390 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: all kinds of tools to put in that toolbox, and 391 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, you can you can change some of the 392 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: tools in that toolbox on a week two week basis, 393 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: and Cordel Volson is capable of you know, applying all 394 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: of it, so it's a good combination there. 395 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: I have not heard anyone refer to Jalen Davis as 396 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: a potential Hall of Famer, but Chitabo Wouje calls him 397 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: every day Davis because he seemingly makes plays every day. 398 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: He had a couple of interceptions at a practice this week. 399 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: He's had a bunch of them in this training camp. 400 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: Is Jalen Davis the starting nickel corner on most NFL teams? 401 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: In your opinion, Bingo, absolutely, I mean to me, it's 402 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: like the Cincinnati Bengals. They just extended their two linebackers. 403 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Both of their linebackers, you know, Logan Wilson and Jermaine 404 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: Pratt are three down players in the NFL. In today's NFL, 405 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: the way the offenses have evolved, if you've got one 406 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: three down linebacker on your roster, you're fortunate. When you 407 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: have two and then throw Keem Davis Gator in the 408 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: mix as three. Marcus Bailey can pretty much get there 409 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: as well. Four Are you kidding me? Well, now the 410 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 2: Bengals getting back to Davis, two corners that are starting 411 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: caliber slot corners in the NFL. I mean mean you 412 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: go to your dine package. You got both slots covered 413 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: by these guys. I mean, it's it's unbelievable in terms 414 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: of having you know, depth and talented depth at these 415 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: physician groups. It really is. They've they've identified guys, They've 416 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: identified them properly, and these guys have come in and 417 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: the mesh between the coach and player has been extraordinary. 418 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: So now one plus one equals three and they're in 419 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: a good spot. Defensively, Lou and Romo can do a 420 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: lot of things with these guys with the versatility and 421 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: the depth of the versatility he's got in that roster. 422 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: We can't have a podcast conversation without discussing the quarterback 423 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. As we tape this, we are eighteen days 424 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: away from the season opener at Cleveland. We saw Joe 425 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: today in the Bengals cafeteria, pink T shirt, shorts, looking comfortable, 426 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: looking fine, looking happy. I think things are trending in 427 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: the right direction, but we don't see him by the 428 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: way the training staff behind the scenes or whatever he 429 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: might be doing in walk through periods or anything like that. 430 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: Is Joe Burrow the starting quarterback in week one? 431 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: Yes? I really believe that he is you know, when 432 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: I watch him just just walking around physically, he looks 433 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: as strong and as ready as I've ever seen him. 434 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: I mean, he looks he looks unbelievable. The one thing 435 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about with this training camp, 436 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: you know, as you start to think about positives, all 437 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: quarterbacks worry about dead arm, too many throws. Don't have 438 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: to worry about that. You know, you don't have to 439 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: worry about bumps and bruises, necks and little things you 440 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: know that you might have accumulated during training camp. Joe 441 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: didn't have to worry about that. Unfortunately, got the bump 442 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 2: in the neck early and had to shut it down 443 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: with that, with that calf strain. But you know, he's 444 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: probably the freshest physically and mentally that he's been because, 445 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: I mean he's off of appendectomies where he'd lost so 446 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 2: much weight and so much strength. He was a shell 447 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: of himself, you know, or an acl where you're you know, 448 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: you're rehabbing a reconstruction of a joint, a key joint 449 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: in your body. We're talking about a cash strain here. 450 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: So I mean, I just think that that he's gonna 451 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: be He's gonna be off to a great start. And 452 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: how many times Dan in his in his early career 453 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: here in mini camps, in after a draft in May 454 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, it's like two days in the mini camp. 455 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: I'm watching him. I'm thinking, crap, this guy's ready to 456 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: play right now. He's carving it up. Look at this dude, 457 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he he is so ready all the time. 458 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: He never lets himself fall apart. I mean he never 459 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: takes like a downtime. And it's like, yeah, I'm just 460 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: gonna get sloppy. I'm gonna get sloppy with my preparation, 461 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get sloppy physically. He's always on and many 462 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: times during OTA's in mini camp it's been the dude 463 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: looks like mid season for him. I have no doubt 464 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: that this is going to be able to throw the 465 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: ball straight inaccurately as he ever has with a couple 466 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: of weeks of practice. There's no doubt in my mind. So, 467 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: I you know, now, in a perfect world, would you 468 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: like to have been able to get a little bit 469 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: more practice time with guys, particularly Yoshivash and guys like 470 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: that Charlie Jones. Yeah, But if he gets a couple 471 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: of weeks with those guys, all will be good. So 472 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: I'm yes, he's starting against the Cleveland Browns. 473 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: That's the headline from Dave lappam mark it down. But 474 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: when Zach Taylor says in response to how much time 475 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: does he need one rep, he's not exaggerating that much. 476 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's like, okay, well, you know, being facetious, 477 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: but hey, there's some reality to it. I honestly, watching him, 478 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: like I said, in these camps, mini camps and stuff, 479 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: all at various points, take a pick a spot in 480 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: the off season, he never looks that different. He always 481 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: looks like he's game ready. So I have no qualms 482 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: fears whatsoever about Joe Burrow going out there and given 483 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: a performance that will be you know, exceptional against the 484 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. I mean he went out there after the appendectomy. 485 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, had the turnovers, but I mean just for 486 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: him to be out there, he was literally a shell 487 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: of himself physically, and he goes out there and plays 488 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: an NFL game against that caliber of a football team, 489 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: coach that well by a guy like Mike Tomlin his 490 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: coaching staff, and still has his team in position to 491 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: potentially win the football game. Sh I ain't worried. He'll 492 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: be there. He'll be there against the Browns up in Cleveland. 493 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: He'll be there. Mistake on the lake, He'll be there. 494 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: Lap's lips to God's ears. Let's help. He's right, and 495 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: for the record, I think he is. The Bengals Booth 496 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: Podcast is brought to you by Kettering Health, the official 497 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. With more than one hundred 498 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: and twenty care facilities and ffteen hundred care providers, Kettering 499 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: Health is committed to guiding you to your best health. 500 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Visit ketteringhealth dot org to learn more. Following Saturday night's 501 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: game at Washington, the next couple of days are going 502 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: to be nerve racking for quite a few players on 503 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: every team. Right now, NFL franchises can have ninety players. 504 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: By Tuesday at four o'clock, the roster has to be 505 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: cut to fifty three. The following day, teams can establish 506 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: a sixteen man practice squad. That means that every team 507 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: has to say goodbye to roughly twenty players. Multiply that 508 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: by thirty two teams and nearly six hundred and fifty 509 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: players will be out of work next week. One of 510 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: the Bengals rookies facing an anxious weekend is Sderick Jackson. 511 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: With the Bengals skill and depth at wide receiver, Jackson 512 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: almost certainly won't make the fifty three man roster, but 513 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: he's in the running to make the practice squad. And 514 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: I spoke to the undrafted rookie out of Auburn this week. 515 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: All right, Schedick four catches last week for forty two 516 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: yards in Atlanta. That's a good game, but you also 517 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: had a twenty six yard catch that got negated by 518 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: a penalty. You drew a thirty yard pass interference penalty, 519 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: where you're pretty pumped up about that performance. 520 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I feel like I went out there and 521 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: you know, made most of my opportunities. 522 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 4: Like you said, that last catch kind of hurt with 523 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 4: the with the flag coming back. 524 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: As soon as I got up, I saw the flag, 525 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: I knew knew what it was, unfortunately, But uh yeah, 526 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: just trying to build each week and get a little 527 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 3: bit better, take advantage of my opportunities, like I said, 528 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: and finish out camp strong. 529 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: The first preseason game was solid as well. You had 530 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: a couple of catches in that game and had the 531 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to return three kicks. They're giving you chances to 532 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: show what you can do. Do you take that to 533 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: be a good sign? 534 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 535 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: I think it's a great sign. 536 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: You know. 537 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: I'm very grateful for the opportunity to Bengals to give 538 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: me to go out there showcase my talents. And great 539 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: coach of staff, great teammates around me. So it's been 540 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: it's been fun. 541 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: We're visiting the Chrederick Jackson. I asked Zach Taylor about 542 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: you today. He said he has earned my trust by 543 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: understanding the playbook. He's clearly put a lot of time 544 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: in and learning our offense. Is that about right? 545 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: It sounds about right. Yeah. 546 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: Ever since you know they told me or I said 547 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: I would sign with him in free agency, I've just 548 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 3: been trying to study the playbook, understand as much as 549 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: I can multiple receivers positions, because that's how you like 550 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: you like, he said, gain trust and get on the field, 551 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: get those opportunities. So ever since, ota has been something 552 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: I prided myself on, a knowing each position and not 553 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: only what to do, but how to do it. 554 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: When the head coach says he's earned my trust, is 555 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: that about as good a compliment as you can get. 556 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's up there, especially from a head 557 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: coach in the league. So being at this level and 558 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: continue to try to gain that trust, it's just, like 559 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: I said, a big deal. It's truly a blessing in 560 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: them looking to keep it going. 561 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: We're chatting with Chrederick Jackson. So you're in a wide 562 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: receiver room with three of the best in the game 563 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: and Jamar, Chase t Higgins and Tyler Boyd. Who have 564 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: you learned the most from? 565 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: Oh, that's a tough one. 566 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: I mean even those three guys like coming in, I 567 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: knew I would be able to look at them and 568 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: take a little bit from their game and learn a lot. 569 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: But even the guys behind that, a lot of people don't, 570 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, give a lot of attention to, like Trent Irwin, 571 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: Trent Taylor, Stan Kwalme, all those guys. So it's been 572 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 3: great being in that room and just learning from a 573 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: bunch of the veteran guys that are just great people too. 574 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: That's interesting. You're a sponge. You can learn from anybody, 575 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: most definitely. So you signed with the Bengals after playing 576 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: at Auburn. Were you disappointed that you didn't get drafted. 577 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: Did you expect to be selected? 578 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: I kind of knew the reality of it going into it. 579 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: If it wasn't, you know, somewhere in later rounds, I 580 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: knew that going on drafted was a possibility. So yeah, 581 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: watching it, of course, as being a competitor, I am. 582 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: I was a little bit disappointed, But at the same time, 583 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: the opportunity came with the Bengals and you know other 584 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: teams that called. So I'm glad to be here and 585 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: I'm you know, pushing forward. 586 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: Did to put a chip on your shoulder? 587 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: It did? I would say that. 588 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: We've talked before and discussed your pro day where you 589 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: ran a four two five forty. You're one of the 590 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: fastest guys on the team. If everybody lined up at 591 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: the goal line and had to sprint forty yards, who wins? 592 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: I definitely like me. I think, of course DJ Turner 593 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: would be there. He ran a fast forty two, but 594 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: I like me. 595 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: I also spoke to you this spring about your famous 596 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: uncle Bo Jackson. You had a great line. I mentioned 597 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: that he was arguably the greatest athlete of all time. 598 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: He said, second best behind me in all seriousness. Is 599 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: it a great source of pride to be Bo's nephew. 600 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something that I've uh, you know, growing up with. 601 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm used to it by now. You know, people as 602 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: me about people comparing me, you know, the speed and strength, 603 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: all that stuff. So honestly, when I'm out there playing, 604 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: when I'm out there practicing, you know, I'm gonna just 605 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: worry about my craft and it doesn't really cost my mind. 606 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just something I'm used to at this point. 607 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: You're very good natured when I ask you about it 608 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: doesn't get annoying at times. 609 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 4: It has in the past, and you know, I've had to. 610 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: Tell people to dial it back a little bit, but 611 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: it's just, you know, something you gotta live with. Of Course, 612 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: having somebody of that statue in the game in the past, 613 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: of course you're gonna get questions about it, So I'm 614 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: used to it. 615 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: You've got one preseason game left coming up against Washington. 616 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: What are your goals for this third and final preseason game? 617 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: And how nerve racking well the days after that, bab. 618 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: I try not to think about the days after, but 619 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: just going out there, continue to play football, that's all 620 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: it is, and go out there and get my all. 621 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 4: Continue to execute the players or whatever. Let's be executed it. 622 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: Make plays and go out there and play fast. So 623 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: just looking forward to playing football. You've earned the coaches trust. 624 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: That's a good sign. Best of luck appreciation. That's Shedar Jackson. 625 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Sunday's game to Washington starts at six pm our pregame 626 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: coverage on the Bengals Radio Network. We'll get underway at 627 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: four thirty. That's going to do it for this episode 628 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by Bengals 629 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: Picks and Ultimate Bengals. 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