1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast with Jay 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Patrick Rick. His website is linked up at Coast to 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Coast am dot com and we're talking about his latest 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: work called That Purloining Diary about the unsettling case study 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: of exorcism. And it is how close Patrick did Bladdie's 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: book and the movie The Exorcist come to the real 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: actual thing other than the sex the little girl in 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: the movie, the Little Boy in real life. But what 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: about what about the way it was presented night and day? 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: If you if you remember back the the story that 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: was told in the movie itself, there was a lot 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: of modern, modern medical technology used in there. Yeah, so 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Bladdie really had to do. You know, in the seventies 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: have been used to be a lot of technology come 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: out that could not have been recognized back in nineteen 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: forty nine. That it was something that caught my eye 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: since I've been involved in medical imaging equipment for many years, 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: that caught my eye. Generally speaking, when you have a 20 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: story about a boy versus a girl, there are just 21 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: things that you can't pursue because someone's a boy or 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: because someone is a girl. So generally speaking, I do 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: not feel like the movie followed the book, nor did 24 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: the book in the movie together resemble anything that took 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: place in nineteen forty nine. I would guess that the 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: little boy in actuality's head didn't spin around like she 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: did in the movie. The journals don't report anybody quivling 28 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: and surviving. But anyways, back to uh Bodarin and of 29 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: course Walter Halloran, who, as you say, was the unknown 30 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: suspecting person involved in all of this, I would assume 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: he was needed to hold a kid down. Yes, absolutely 32 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: one of the things, and for that he had to 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: pay a price too. U the kid broke his nose. 34 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: The kid broke Walter's nose, Yes, yes, so he was. 35 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: The kid was notorious for being able to spit with 36 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: his eyes closed and nail somebody right in the face. 37 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: The same was true with his fist that when when 38 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: when he felt like it or he wanted to push 39 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: some issues, he would swing out. And in this I 40 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: know there was a bloody nose that another priest received. 41 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: He didn't break his nose, but Halleran did ended up 42 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: with a broken nose. How long was the kid possessed Patrick. 43 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: His symptoms seemed to start late in the prior year, 44 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: so that would have been late late forty eight, and 45 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: it began to build and build and build. There were 46 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: some efforts made to resolve the issues back in the Washington, DC, 47 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: Maryland area that was not successful, and so they packed 48 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: their bags up and moved out to Saint Louis to 49 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: see if they could get some relief for themselves. Why 50 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I save them, I'm speaking of his family, but see 51 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: if they could get a relief for each other. So 52 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: there was family that lived in Saint Louis and that's 53 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: where they went. Did they ever have a psychiatrist examine 54 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: him and the psychiatrist said this kid's nuts or anything 55 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: like that. Well, there's hearsay that that was the case. 56 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Knowing what I know of the Alexian brothers and what 57 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: they would have required, I fully expect that the stories 58 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: that I hear are probably accurate. I can't say I 59 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: heard this from anyone in particular, but it is, you know, 60 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: basic hubbub about what took place. And it was my 61 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: understanding that, you know, psychiatrists, neurologists, they did play a 62 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: role in diagnosing the boy or at least ruling out 63 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: those psychiatric diseases that someone might have that resemble being possessed. 64 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: So before so after the physicians had a chance to 65 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: evaluate the boy, both here and in back East, it 66 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: was decided to move forward with the exorcism. Just remarkable. 67 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: And I had heard in maybe this showed up in documents. 68 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: You tell me. But when they had planned when they 69 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: shut down the Election Brothers hospital and planned to demolish it, 70 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: the Brothers sold off all the furniture and artifacts that 71 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: were in the hospital. So when the rooms they sold 72 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: off beds and dressers and things like that, and whoever 73 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: ended up buying the furniture in the room where the 74 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: little boy was started reporting bizarre things going on with them. 75 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Had you ever heard that story? Well, I have heard 76 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: of a desk containing some documents. The desk was supposed 77 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: to be a part of that that room. I don't 78 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: know that to be true. I don't know it to 79 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: be false. Um, there are stories about the room which 80 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: was on the fifth floor where the psychiatric unit was. Uh, 81 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: there's there's there's stories from people that after everything quieted down. 82 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I met one of those 83 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: individuals less than a year ago, and he had a 84 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: funny story to tell. Uh. They had turned that room 85 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: into a sort of a supply room. Uh, it sounds funny, 86 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: but that's the room where the exorcism finally took place, 87 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: and they stored toilet paper in there. Sort of a dichotomy. 88 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: I would not go into that room if you paid me. Well, 89 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: we were looking for volunteers, and I was going to 90 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: ask you, but you've answered that question already. Now the 91 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: neighbor of your book is called the Purloined Diary. Now 92 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: purloin means steal. Are we talking about the information that 93 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: was obtained in some strange way? Well, yes, and it 94 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: is true. It depends on what website you go to 95 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: when you're looking for a definition. So you can get 96 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: an angry definition, or you can get a milder definition. 97 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: So I have chosen to use the word purloined because 98 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: you can ride the fence on it the as opposed 99 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: to the stolen diary or something exactly except for the stolen. 100 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: In other words, it was borrowed for a period time. 101 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: This is a fascinating case. The Catholic Church Patrick takes 102 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: exorcisms darned seriously. I think they have like one hundred 103 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: and twenty exorcists within the church, all trained, and they 104 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: continually look for more, don't they. I don't know what 105 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: the number is. But years ago, the Pope at the 106 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: time declared that every diocese had to name someone to 107 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: be an exorcist. Now, I think there's plenty of diocese 108 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: out there where there is not a particular individual who 109 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: performs as the exorcist. But this is not well advertised 110 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: capability that the church offers. But but it is true. 111 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: The Vatican wants an exorcist in every diocese. This little boy, 112 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: if he's alive, could be in his eighties right about now. 113 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: Do you know where he is or what happened to him? Yes? 114 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I do? Oh my gosh, it's time to tell us Patrick. 115 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: Is he alive? Yes? He is. You gotta be kidding me. No, 116 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: can you reveal his name? Well you can't. Where does 117 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: he live in a house? I mean? Is he? Is 118 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: he in Saint Louis? I'm here? Are you looking for company? 119 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: Not tonight? Uh? No, he does not live in Saint Louis. 120 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I will tell you that. And let let me address that. 121 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: We're making history tonight because nobody knows this story that 122 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: this child who is now, am I right? Would he 123 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: be in his eighties, He would be roughly eighty five 124 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: years old, is still alive and he may be listening 125 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: to the program tonight. Possible, he may be he maybe 126 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: the boy has never been heard of or heard from 127 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: since he sort of parted ways with the Alexian brothers 128 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: because he became big buddies with the Alexian brothers. And 129 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: I think there were several occasions where the family did 130 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: come back. How many times, I'm not sure, but the 131 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: family became Catholic after this, of course, become Catholic, and 132 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: they really they really became attached to the Alexian brothers. 133 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: But that's sort of that's that went away him. The 134 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: parents died. The connections we you know, we all have 135 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: those things happened to us. Somebody that there was a 136 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: friend ten years ago is never heard from anymore. Um. 137 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: But the boy, uh, the boy said when the exorcism 138 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: was over that Monday, after the Easter Sunday, he announced, 139 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm healed or whatever terminology he used. That there were 140 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: particular words that I'd go to the diary to to 141 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: look at his precise words. But he he says that 142 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: he remembered nothing. Nothing. I was gonna I was going 143 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: to ask you if he knew anything prior to the exorcism, 144 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: that personality, that demonic feeling, And I guess it's you 145 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: just answered that nothing he said. He says no. Now, 146 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: of course, if people know that you're that boy that 147 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: was in Saint Louis sort of situation is probably a 148 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: lot easier to simply say I don't remember. That's true, 149 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: that's that can That can be an escape, and he 150 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: deserves that escape if that's what he wanted. Have you 151 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: ever spoken to him? No, you have not. Would you 152 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: like him? Yes? But I have not been successful. How 153 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: do you know he's alive because I had some detective 154 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: work done. Interesting? Have you been able to send him letters? 155 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: When I have made that effort, correspondence was returned to 156 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: sender like somebody hadn't written on it or something like that. Um, well, 157 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: that's normally, yeah, you know when someone handwrites returned to sender. 158 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: And I bet you we have a generation that have 159 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: no idea what returned to sender is exactly exactly. It's 160 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: like an email that comes back to your folks. That's right, 161 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: that's right. It's sort of it's a way of making 162 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: a statement too. So it's conceivable that he knows that 163 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: somebody's been trying to reach him, reach out to him, 164 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: and he just doesn't want anything to do with anybody. Well, 165 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: let me be frank with you. The Internet, it's full 166 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: of information about this case. Is some of it is 167 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: very accurate, some of it is somebody's imagination. With a 168 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: connection that I had with the Alexian brothers and their 169 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: connection with the Jesuits, I feel like I'm pretty well 170 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: tuned into what's true and when that's true. But I 171 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: don't know everything about this. But I've gone to a 172 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: lot of effort to tell an accurate story. If I 173 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: don't know the answers, I avoid it. You've done a 174 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: great job with this story, as a matter of fact, 175 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I mean a truly remarkable job. Thank you. In your opinion, 176 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: what do you think this demotic state is that this 177 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: poor little boy went through, and that so many other 178 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: people have been or are going through, which requires exorcists 179 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: and exorcisms. What are they? What's going on here? Well, 180 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: I started writing the book and I don't even know 181 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: exactly where it is in the book. I promised the 182 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: readers that I would not try to sell anybody on 183 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: the idea of exorcism. Are debunk exorcism. I have tried 184 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: to report this story and not take a side, but 185 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: I can't help but believe from everything I have heard, 186 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: from the documents that I have read, I can' imagine 187 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: holy people like Jesuits and the Lutheran ministers and the 188 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: bishop and all of these people that had to play 189 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: a role in this. I can't imagine people making up 190 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: a lie like this. Exaggerations perhaps, but I believe that something, 191 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: something very out of the ordinary took place in nineteen 192 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: forty nine Saint Louis and continues to happen to other people. 193 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: It hasn't stopped. Do you mean regarding this particular no 194 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: other other people, new new cases. Oh oh, listen. Italy, 195 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Italy is the is the the ground zero when it 196 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: comes to exorcism. It's almost like, uh, let's let's who's 197 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: being exercised today, and we're all going to go over 198 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: to the church and we're gonna watch this. Uh. There 199 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of craziness going on. 200 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: And I'm not using the word crazy crazy in that 201 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people showing up at the 202 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: doors steps of priests, insisting they are possessed and they 203 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: want to be exercised tomorrow afternoon. And Italy. Italy is 204 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: just full of this, and they're almost making a mockery 205 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: in many cases. It is probably one of the most 206 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: bizarre episodes in human existence. These demonic forces that are 207 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: out there. I believe it. It's real. They're they're out there. 208 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: To be sure, listen to more Coast to Coast AM 209 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: every weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast 210 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: to Coast am dot com for more