WEBVTT - How Storm Chasers Work

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with text Stuff from stuff Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everyone, and welcome to text Uff. I'm Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Strickland and I'm Lauren Vocal Valley. Today we're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about storm chasers and what they do and

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<v Speaker 1>the technology they use to do their jobs. And just

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<v Speaker 1>so you guys know, a couple of things you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get all the way. First of all, we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>this while there's an actual storm going on outside the office.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a joke, hopefully not a tornado involving storm.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll hear some thunder in the background. It's um atmosphere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't actually added in post. It's really happening right now,

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<v Speaker 1>So just so you guys know that. And the second

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<v Speaker 1>thing we want to mention is we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about storm chasing in general. Uh. This is

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<v Speaker 1>our warning, which we will be repeating at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. Storm chasing is seriously dangerous business. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not obvioust thing, um though some people treated that way.

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<v Speaker 1>It is you are putting yourself at serious risk when

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<v Speaker 1>you are encountering major storm fronts, including but not limited

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<v Speaker 1>to tornadoes. So we want to and um, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who go about storm chasing. Our professionals. They are researchers,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been trained um and and they do serious work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not just all about the thrill. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that part of it for these people is a thrill.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but uh, the number of tornadoes in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States has increased since the nineteen sixties, but the

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<v Speaker 1>number of deaths in the US has declined due to

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<v Speaker 1>these brave people's work. Right, we're learning more about these

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<v Speaker 1>systems and how to predict them. Now, granted, prediction is

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<v Speaker 1>about all we can do because these are major storm

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<v Speaker 1>systems that we still don't understand. So much energy and

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<v Speaker 1>the energy and these storm systems rivals that of a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear bomb. They can they can reach above three miles

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<v Speaker 1>and now, yeah, this is this is serious business. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit about what storm chasers are

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<v Speaker 1>and what they do. So they do tend to fall

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<v Speaker 1>into three major categories. You've got your scientific researchers, which

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<v Speaker 1>I would say are probably the majority of well until recently, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're the majority of storm chasers. These are the men

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<v Speaker 1>and women who dedicate their their lives to studying storm systems,

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<v Speaker 1>gathering data, and trying to learn everything we can about

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<v Speaker 1>them so that are forecast models get more and more precise,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can increase the levels of safety not

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<v Speaker 1>just of where we build things, but how we build

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<v Speaker 1>them and how to get people in out of harm's way.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one group. Another group are professionals who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to capture video or still images of storms and

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<v Speaker 1>then sell them to either a news outlet or a

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<v Speaker 1>magazine or television show, or just to any other type

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<v Speaker 1>of customer. So they're trying to turn storm chasing into profit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then your third category are your thrill seekers who

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<v Speaker 1>are treating it like a hobby. They want they want

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<v Speaker 1>to witness the awesome power of a storm, which can

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<v Speaker 1>be really amazing to behold, but it is so dangerous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that really technically most storm chasers fall

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<v Speaker 1>into all three categories in some way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's it's it's that's true. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it is a business. And most of them

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<v Speaker 1>do take footage while they're in the most of them

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<v Speaker 1>are also doing research and are probably excited about Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got You've got some hobbyists who are just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to see a really cool storm. And you've got some

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<v Speaker 1>companies that are operating tourism where it's actually they're creating

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<v Speaker 1>a business where they're taking people out on tours to

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<v Speaker 1>try and see one of these storms. Uh So there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily that you you only belong to one category.

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<v Speaker 1>You might span multiple categories. But that's generally how folks

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<v Speaker 1>kind of classify them. Uh Now, really, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to what we need to talk about, what is

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<v Speaker 1>an actual tornado, because that's mainly what storm chasers are

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with. They also will take a look into huge

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<v Speaker 1>thunderstorm systems, super cells, things like that. They'll also some

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers will have some experience with things like hurricanes,

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<v Speaker 1>which are different from tornadoes. Yeah, it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um implied that hurricane chasers are not really

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers because you're not so much chasing a hurricane,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where it is. Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hurricanes are very different from tornadoes. Tornadoes are, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>they are pretty mysterious. We don't understand fully how they form,

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that's making them form, or why they

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<v Speaker 1>form in one circumstances, but in another set that seems identical.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't, So that means there's there's probably some other

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<v Speaker 1>factors there that we just aren't really completely aware of. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That creates some randomness in this event which would cause

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<v Speaker 1>them to form in one case and not in another.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we need to kind of define what

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado is. Okay, Well, so it's a it's a swirling,

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<v Speaker 1>massive air um it has spawned from a series of

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<v Speaker 1>severe thunderstorms called super cells, which are storm clouds that

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<v Speaker 1>can reach like six miles up into the atmosphere. These

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<v Speaker 1>are tall, tall cloud systems, and it has enough energy

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<v Speaker 1>to create a cyclone, a spinning air right now, if

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go into an even more in depth definition,

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<v Speaker 1>the Glossary of Meteorology says that's a violently rotating column

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<v Speaker 1>of air pendant from a cumuli form cloud or underneath

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<v Speaker 1>a cumuli form cloud, and often but not always visible

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<v Speaker 1>as a funnel cloud. So literally, in order for a

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<v Speaker 1>vortex to be classified as a tornado, it must actually

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<v Speaker 1>be in contact with the ground and otherwise otherwise it

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<v Speaker 1>is just a funnel right, yeah, So it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be in contact with the ground, has to be from

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<v Speaker 1>the ground all the way up to the cloud base.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not all the way to the cloud base,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be what is called a gust nado or

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<v Speaker 1>you know some people call them like you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>little dust storms you'll see like a little twisting motion.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are not actually tornadoes unless they extend all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up to the cloud base. So it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be from the cloud based to the ground for it

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<v Speaker 1>to actually be a tornado. Now, usually within a tornado,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got wind shear going on. That's that's winds at

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<v Speaker 1>different altitudes that are blowing in different directions. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>that end up, you know, creating this rotation. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rotation in the northern hemisphere tends to be counterclockwise

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<v Speaker 1>and in the southern hemisphere it tends to be clockwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not a hard and fast rule. You can

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<v Speaker 1>actually have the same way that that you can technically

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<v Speaker 1>in the northern hemisphere. See water go down the drain. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The core Lanus effect is one of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will cite when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff that really applies to huge bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>not tiny ones. But in this relatively tiny ones, I

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<v Speaker 1>should it. But in this case you can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>storm systems that have both counter clockwise and clockwise moving

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<v Speaker 1>tornadoes within one system. So it's not like a hard

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<v Speaker 1>and fast rule. It's just more of a tendency. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also this thing called a messo cyclone. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a a twisting vortex of air that goes

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<v Speaker 1>through a cloud system. But imagine that it's horizontal, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't as it's not. It's not vertical yet

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<v Speaker 1>it's so it's a messo cyclone. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>what a tornado would look like if you put it

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<v Speaker 1>on its side up in the clouds, all right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get these these wind sheer uh factors, These

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<v Speaker 1>these sharp moving horizontal winds that can telt the messo

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<v Speaker 1>cyclone so that it is upright. And if it does

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<v Speaker 1>in fact go upright and the base of it touches

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, that's when you get your tornado. And like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you can have a very similar set of

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances that in one case spawn a tornado and then

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<v Speaker 1>another do not. Right right, Um, what what what helps

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<v Speaker 1>with the tornado is when you get these inflow bands,

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<v Speaker 1>which are which are ragged bands of cumulus clouds that

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<v Speaker 1>that um, extend out away, usually to the south or

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<v Speaker 1>southeast here in the northern hemisphere. Um and uh. It

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that the storm is is gathering low level air

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<v Speaker 1>from several miles away and and sucking in that that

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<v Speaker 1>hot moist air that is going to be fueling the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I've heard another term when it comes to tornadoes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder if you actually know anything about it,

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<v Speaker 1>because it intrigues me, it tasks me. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the term beaver tail. A beaver's tail, Am I am?

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<v Speaker 1>I crazy? Or is that associated with tornadoes? Now? This

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing. It's it's a smooth, flat cloud band

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<v Speaker 1>that that extends again in the northern hemisphere from the

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<v Speaker 1>from the eastern edge of the storm going out to

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<v Speaker 1>the east or southeast or eastern northeast. I'm sorry, um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh it It also just suggest the presence of rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>got you. Yeah. So, so in these storm systems, you

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<v Speaker 1>have areas where there is precipitation and you have areas

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<v Speaker 1>where there's no precipitation. I think the beaver's tail is

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<v Speaker 1>in the no precipitation area. So it's kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the borders of these storm systems. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>see a storm system that has several of these indicators.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of those those warning signs to say this

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<v Speaker 1>is the sort of situation in which tornadoes can form. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these situations can happen in completely benign, regular

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<v Speaker 1>old thunderstorms that nearly terrify your dog. And uh, wall

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<v Speaker 1>cloud is another one. That's a that's a cloud that

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's descending from the bottom of the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and those are actually one of the more present

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<v Speaker 1>that that's like your ten to twenty minute warning. If

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado is going to form there, you've got about

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty minutes from when that's when that should Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's scary stuff. And uh so when this tornado

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<v Speaker 1>is forming, you get an updraft, all right, and that

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<v Speaker 1>updress starts to pull in low level air from several

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<v Speaker 1>miles around. I mean, we're talking a huge system here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that low level air is pulled up through the

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<v Speaker 1>updraft from the rain area, and the rain cooled air

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly humid, Like you were saying, that moisture in

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<v Speaker 1>the rain cooled air quickly condenses, and uh that's where

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<v Speaker 1>you get that wall cloud. And then you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that they're the conditions are ripe for a tornado

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<v Speaker 1>to form. Uh. And then you've got the rear flank

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<v Speaker 1>down draft or RFD and that's that's this downward rush

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<v Speaker 1>of air from from the back end of the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's descending along with the funnel. Wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this this looks like it's a bright spot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what this usually looks like. It's usually

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<v Speaker 1>to the rear, and in the northern hemisphere it's the

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<v Speaker 1>southwest side, which I think actually leads to a wives tale.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an old wives tale that if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>if a tornado is approaching and you have a basement,

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<v Speaker 1>you should go and huddle in the south west corner,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea being that that would be the safest way

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<v Speaker 1>from the path of the tornado. But as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>tornado pathways are not nearly so predictable. They are very

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<v Speaker 1>unpredictable in fact. And um and and also that that

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<v Speaker 1>clear spot just doesn't have rain in it, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>actually a space of extreme wind activity. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>then you've got the funnel itself. Um and which the

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<v Speaker 1>visibility of a tornado will often depend upon how much

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<v Speaker 1>material isn't it sometimes If usually if it's if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of material, that's when it's it's most visible.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when you can really see the definition of the

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<v Speaker 1>funnel cloud. If it's hits some dust or something right right,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's got some debris in there. When it's got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, it makes it hard to see because it

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<v Speaker 1>just it looks like a massive darkness coming at you.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we'll probably have some personal stories that

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<v Speaker 1>we can relate a little bit because Lauren and I

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<v Speaker 1>have both experienced being through tornadoes. Um, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Northeast Georgia and I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio, and both areas have have been the site

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<v Speaker 1>of tornado activity. Granted not nearly at least in Northeast Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not nearly to the same extent as places in

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<v Speaker 1>the Midwest that are in what's called tornado Alley, but

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<v Speaker 1>we still get quite a few. Yeah, speaking of tornado Alley,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States has or North America in general, has

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<v Speaker 1>has the most tornadoes of any place on the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>about about twelve hundred per year UM. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>because of of what's called a dry line, which is

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<v Speaker 1>um a center of of cool, dry air that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming off of the deserts to the west and meeting

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<v Speaker 1>up with the warm, wet air from the oceans of

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<v Speaker 1>the east and causing all kinds of havoc, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, a lot of people will say that

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<v Speaker 1>tornadoes are kind of the result of cold Canadian air

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<v Speaker 1>mixing with the warm, moist air of the Caribbean. And

0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.400
<v Speaker 1>then the party gets together, and the snowbirds come down

0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and the crazy steel drums come up, and then we

0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.960
<v Speaker 1>have a big old party in the form of tornado.

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<v Speaker 1>And any storm institute will tell you that's gross, really simplification,

0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that's not really that thing. Tornadoes do occur in other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world. Absolutely, you find them in pretty

0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.480
<v Speaker 1>much everywhere. It's just that the frequency is much greater

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States after the US. North America, I

0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.440
<v Speaker 1>should say, yes, after the US, Argentina and Bangladesh have

0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the next two highest proportions of tornadoes in per year.

0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.959
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, they happen everywhere, right, So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the conversation we're going to have is again, and

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<v Speaker 1>this comes as a surprise to nobody who's been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to tech stuff for a long time going to be

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<v Speaker 1>very US centric, but that kind of makes sense because

0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.280
<v Speaker 1>North America does play home to tornadoes, we get a

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<v Speaker 1>pass in this particular instance. It trusts us if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in a place that is very, very

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<v Speaker 1>infrequently hit by tornadoes, just listen and enjoy as we

0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.880
<v Speaker 1>discussed the terrifying experience that we have gone through as

0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.440
<v Speaker 1>tornadoes have uh you know, rereaked havoc in our homeland. Um.

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.679
<v Speaker 1>In fact, we can go ahead and say this, we

0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.240
<v Speaker 1>live in Atlanta right now. UM. And Atlanta a few

0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.720
<v Speaker 1>years ago was hit by some by by a pretty

0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.640
<v Speaker 1>massive tornado that did some major damage in downtown went

0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.440
<v Speaker 1>right through downtown Atlanta, which is unusual. You don't frequently

0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.680
<v Speaker 1>have tornadoes passed through metropolitan areas. And in fact, there

0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.240
<v Speaker 1>were some theories for a while that the the island effect,

0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the heat island effect of cities might have something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with tornado formation. But it may just be that's

0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the odds, you know, just one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of pretty small. Yeah, when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about the grand scheme of things in

0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.320
<v Speaker 1>the city is a tiny target. And when you talk

0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.000
<v Speaker 1>about the entire United States, UM, but yeah, one went

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:57.480
<v Speaker 1>through downtown Atlanta and there for for months. There were

0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.040
<v Speaker 1>major buildings in Atlanta that had temporary covers over a

0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of windows, like high rise building, skyscraper buildings had

0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.200
<v Speaker 1>these these temporary covers on their windows because they had

0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to start replacing all of them, some of which are

0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:16.080
<v Speaker 1>in buildings that have very um specific types of surfaces,

0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.800
<v Speaker 1>like we have one hotel in downtown Atlanta that's essentially

0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.240
<v Speaker 1>a Celin. It's beautiful, but it does mean that replacing

0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the glass is somewhat difficult. And there were entire neighborhoods

0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.440
<v Speaker 1>east of downtown that were just laid to waste, including

0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.160
<v Speaker 1>some losts that had just been built. They had been

0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.120
<v Speaker 1>converted from old warehouses and old manufacturing plants. Yeah, and

0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.560
<v Speaker 1>they had just been converted into the lofts and then destroyed.

0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Um that's all been rebuilt now, but you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>can hit major cities. We wanted to talk a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about the history of storm chasing and just that I've

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<v Speaker 1>got some about the history of weather forecasting in general,

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of get an idea of how we've

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<v Speaker 1>come to the point where we're at now. Now, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first date I have is eighteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have anything before that? What? Yes? That was

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<v Speaker 1>the first first recorded account of a tornado. It was

0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.040
<v Speaker 1>sure as windy out there, Johnny is in the village

0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:22.359
<v Speaker 1>of m Rosdala, Ireland. Sure there it goes all shaughnessy

0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and the the The account said that it looked like

0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a steeple of fire. Wow, that's poetic. We usually say

0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that there's a tornado. It's coming at us right now.

0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.320
<v Speaker 1>You hear that train of coming coming around the band? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So do you have anything else before? A smarty pants?

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<v Speaker 1>So in Professor Joseph Henry of the Smithsonian established a

0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:54.000
<v Speaker 1>network of weather instruments along telegraph companies. So he partnered

0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.400
<v Speaker 1>with telegraph companies and helped install these weather instruments at

0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.760
<v Speaker 1>their offices in various places around the United States. Uh

0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and the He used maps to coordinate between these these

0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.720
<v Speaker 1>different telegraph companies, and so the observations they sent back

0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.359
<v Speaker 1>he would end up not making notes on the map,

0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and then from that he would start to create weather predictions.

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.639
<v Speaker 1>So that's some of the first weather forecasting in the

0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.920
<v Speaker 1>United States, beyond just the mynee is aching, it's going

0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to rain soon, or my dog is freaking out. So

0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.840
<v Speaker 1>he starts doing this, But there was a little event

0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.440
<v Speaker 1>in the United States that kind of disrupted the whole project.

0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.760
<v Speaker 1>That was called the Civil War. Yeah, yeah, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ended up taking over the telegraph lines for a

0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.840
<v Speaker 1>while for mysterious reasons. In eighteen sixty five, however, after

0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the conclusion of the Civil War, Professor Henry then suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that all meteorological observations reorganized under a single agency as

0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.119
<v Speaker 1>a means of predicting storms and warning coastal shipping. So

0:17:55.200 --> 0:18:00.240
<v Speaker 1>this was the very beginning of developing a National Knowle

0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Bureau to oversee this and study it and make forecasts.

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<v Speaker 1>So eighteen seventy was when the United States formed the

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Weather Bureau, and that same year Congress established a National

0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Weather Warning Service under the Secretary of War. Now this

0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.640
<v Speaker 1>is going to get interesting because this particular office ended

0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.080
<v Speaker 1>up playing hop scotch with the various departments of government.

0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.119
<v Speaker 1>It started off under the Secretary of War mainly because

0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the military had the most advanced censors will not really

0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.880
<v Speaker 1>even censors at this point, but just communication lines, So

0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the military was put in charge of this. And also

0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a matter of national security in many cases,

0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.320
<v Speaker 1>so the Secretary of War oversaw this Weather Bureau department

0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and the Army Signal Corps assumed responsibility for taking observations

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>at military installations and warning people of storms. Uh. About

0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty years later, in nine the Weather Service Organic Act

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.960
<v Speaker 1>transferred the weather reporting services from the Secretary of War

0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 1>to the Department of Agriculture. Would not be the last

0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.200
<v Speaker 1>time that it would jump ship. Meanwhile, in eighteen seventy four,

0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a report of John Mere crazy person, climbing the

0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 1>top of a hundred foot tall Douglas spruce during a

0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.639
<v Speaker 1>fierce windstorm and writing extensively about how really cool it was.

0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Storm chaser, storm chaser, early storm chaser. Also in UM

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.359
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty four. That August is the first known

0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.200
<v Speaker 1>photograph of a tornado taken UM, specifically in South Dakota. Yeah,

0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:34.000
<v Speaker 1>not from the inside, no, no. Uh. In eighteen nineties six,

0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that was when the first hurricane warning service was established

0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.080
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, and in nineteen o nine the

0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Weather Bureau began a regular program of balloon upper air observations.

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.879
<v Speaker 1>So this is sort of the beginning of weather balloons.

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<v Speaker 1>There had been some work with it earlier, but this

0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was the first time that the Bureau itself had started

0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to fund a weather balloon program. And weather balloons are

0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty much what they sell. They are balloons that carry

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 1>some form of sensor, whether it's just something to measure

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 1>wind speed or humidity or barometric pressure or whatever, and

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.440
<v Speaker 1>then send either record it and then you retreat the

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.159
<v Speaker 1>balloon and see what the recordings were, or if it

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.680
<v Speaker 1>has some sort of transfore modern lee, it will transmit

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.320
<v Speaker 1>back to a computer exactly, yeah, or at least a

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 1>radio station, so you'll get some sort of report back

0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.359
<v Speaker 1>on current atmospheric conditions. And in the upper atmosphere where

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't just go outside and say it's raining,

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is more like what are the directions

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 1>of of airflow at higher elevation the temperature exactly. Uh.

0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 1>In n a Russian meteorologist attached a radio meteograph to

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 1>a sounding balloon. Oh there's some thunder out there, And

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.200
<v Speaker 1>that was the development of what we consider the modern

0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.159
<v Speaker 1>weather balloons. So the previous weather balloons were kind of

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 1>early attempts at using balloons together more information. But this

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>is when we're actually starting to get information in real time.

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Radioed back very early on still and by six. That's

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.359
<v Speaker 1>when the Weather Bureau began operation of weather balloons, collecting

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.800
<v Speaker 1>information such as atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity, wind direction, and speed.

0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.080
<v Speaker 1>So by six we're starting to get a fairly robust

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:30.119
<v Speaker 1>weather reporting system. Uh. In ninety the Weather Bureau jumps

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 1>ship again and becomes part of the Department of Commerce.

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 1>So once again playing hop scotch. Which is which is

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>where it still is today? I believe. Yeah, although it's

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 1>not the Weather Bureau anymore. We'll we'll talk about that

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in the second also circuit circer World War two. Um,

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>we started to see people flying into hurricanes directly to

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>study them. Yes, we call these crazy people, uh, brave

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>people who really were really were trying to advance science.

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>They weren't not doing this, you know, Willy nilly. This

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>was wow. When that storm's coming right up on us. Excellent,

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>it's hitting rant forest. Uh it's a tornado. Um, No,

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not, it's just a thunder storm. The is also

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 1>when Roger Jensen started to become active, and he is

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>one of the people that we referred to as an

0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>early storm chaser, right. I believe he chased his first

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 1>storm in nineteen fifty three with his father. That's the

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 1>date that I have. Oh, yeah, I got, I just had.

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen forties was when he started. But it's that was

0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that was a very general kind of answer from the

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.440
<v Speaker 1>site I was looking at a time maybe in fact

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.959
<v Speaker 1>more accurate and uh. Roger Jensen was was a Turkey

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 1>processing plant worker and farmer who got deeply involved in

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the storm in the growing storm chasing movement. He was, yeah,

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.480
<v Speaker 1>really one of the founders there, right, another one being

0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 1>David Hoadley, And you have some information about him, right, Um,

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I think he began in nineteen sixty five and following

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.400
<v Speaker 1>his his first experience there, he chased storms just all

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the time. He was from False Church, Virginia. Yes, and yeah,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>he was very much active in that along with another

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 1>um scientists of one of the first storm chasing scientists,

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Neil Ward. Uh. Again in a very early storm chaser. Meanwhile,

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.280
<v Speaker 1>while all this storm chasing is starting and it's just

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the earliest days of storm chasing, back in ninety eight,

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 1>there was an Air Force captain who later became a

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>colonel named Robert Miller and also Major Ernest faw Bush,

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>who were the first on record in the United States

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to successfully forecast a tornado they actually forecasted in central Oklahoma.

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>They were observing conditions that were very similar to a

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:58.199
<v Speaker 1>tornado that had hit the base four days earlier, and

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 1>they said, these conditions are ripe for another tornado based

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>on all that information, and so they actually began to

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>discuss with the higher ranked members of the base there

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 1>about whether or not they should take action. Ultimately, they

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>decided that they should prepare for the potential of another tornado.

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.360
<v Speaker 1>So they acted as if another tornado was going to hit.

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 1>The next day, another tornado did hit the base. That

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>was two tornadoes that hit the very same base within

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the span of five days, which was, you know, pretty remarkable.

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're talking about again, a massive area and

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>for two tornadoes to hit the same place within the

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 1>span of a week is pretty rare. But yeah, that

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.959
<v Speaker 1>was the first successful forecasting of a tornado on record

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. UM and ninety the Weather Bureau

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>provoked a ban on mentioning tornadoes and forecasts. So you

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.680
<v Speaker 1>might wonder why was there a ban in place. Why

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>could not weather forecasters say, hey, conditions are right for tornado.

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Here are the reasons One tornado at that time, in particular,

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 1>were largely mysterious forces that were just kind of considered

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 1>acts of God, that these were events that would come

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>down strike with incredible fury, things that would say insight,

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>large spread panic exactly. The thought was that you would

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>do more harm than good by saying, hey, there may

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>be a tornado on the way, because no one knew

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were supposed to do. By nineteen fifty,

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>they the Weather Bureau had decided that this was no

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>longer a responsible course of action, and that in fact,

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>it would revoke that ban. By the way, the band

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 1>was not always a formal band. Sometimes it was just

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 1>highly discouraged from mentioning that conditions were right for a tornado.

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>But at this point they said that that was no

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>longer going to be an official policy. Uh in uh

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>N five, You had mentioned that earlier about the storm chasers.

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>That's also the same year when the Weather Bureau changed.

0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>It's uh. Well, there was a reorganization of the Department

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 1>of Commerce, and so that reorganization ended up creating something

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>called the Environmental Science and Services Administration, or SA, and

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that organization changed the Weather Bureau to the National Weather Service,

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>which will send a lot more familiar I think to

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>many of our listeners. UM. And in nineteen seventy the

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration formed and replaced SA, so

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>that's also known as NOAH. In O A A. We

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>got to see the headquarters of Noah, and we we

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>visited Discovery headquarters up in Maryland right down the street. Yeah,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.719
<v Speaker 1>we saw Noah, and then people from Noah invited us

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>to go and see their stuff and talk to them,

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>which we are totally going to do as soon as

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 1>we can arrange it because that is mega awesome, cool,

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>really exciting. UM. Part part of what Noah was doing

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies was establishing sky Warn, which is

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a volunteer program that that currently certainly at the time

0:26:58.000 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it did not have this many it currently has like

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>two thousand trained volunteers working across the country and a

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>network to to observe and report storms. Yeah, in nineteen

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>seventy two, you had the first federally funded storm chasing program.

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Where before we had storm chasers, but they were all

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>acting more or less on their own. They had, you know,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>no official government backing, at least not from the federal level.

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And now that had changed in nineteen seventy two, you

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 1>had a federally funded program. Uh. Their first sampling of

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a tornado wouldn't happen until nineteen seventy three in Oklahoma, which,

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>as we know, right there in the middle of Tornado Alley. Uh. Now,

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to skip a whole bunch of years here

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>only to mention one of the most famous programs in

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.959
<v Speaker 1>storm chasing, which is Vortex. VORTEX is an acronym. Of course,

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it stands for Verification of the Origin of Rotation in

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Tornadoes Experiment. So the e X and VORTEX is from

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>experiment that was led by Eric Resmussen of Noah's National

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Severe Storms Laboratory or in S. S. L UM And hey,

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I said laboratory instead of laboratory. You did it. I

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't even have to think about that time. Vortex, by

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the way, was not the only program called that. There

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was a second one, Vortex two, which launched in two

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 1>thousand nine. But there was an unusually quiet tornadoes season

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine, which meant only one tornado was

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>sampled that year. It was sampled in Lagrange, Wyoming, but

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>it was the most intensively observed tornado at that time

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>because there was so much equipment present at that moment.

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, vortex To actually sampled quite a few

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>super cells and a few week tornadoes as well, and

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>gathered a lot of information. Now, during this span of time,

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of other UH storm chasers that

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>were active right UM. During during the nine seventies, UH

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>David Hoadley founded storm Track magazine. It was becoming that

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hobbyist movement that we were talking about a little bit

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>before UM and and you know, he was publishing articles

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>in National Geographic and Scientific American UM. There were programs

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>on the History Channel in ABC. UM. It was becoming

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>very much in the public eye, especially with the creation

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of these government agencies or the recreation of these government agents. Yeah. Yeah,

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>some of these agencies by the way, you know, we

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about it, you know, the eighteen sixties there were

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>there was more than a hundred years of information gathered. UH.

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting that it was kind of a you know,

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>that chain was never broken. It it did transform quite

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a few times, but they remained like the information itself

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>remained intact. And it really wasn't until we started getting

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>um uh you know, small commercial or small non commercial

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>vehicles UM cars that people could go out and drive

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>around in too to respond very quickly to the movement

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of a storm. And um. And furthermore, the uh, you know,

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>communication technology advancing to the point where through through radio

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and the beginning to satellite and cell phones and etcetera,

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>that we can start to be responsive right right. In fact,

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk some more about that technology, the stuff

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that storm chasers use in order to track storms and

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to measure their impact. Will also talk about how we

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>classify tornadoes, which is an interesting story all on its own.

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:21.560
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0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>so back to tornadoes. Let's talk about how we measure

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 1>how strong a tornado is. It's actually kind of an

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting story. Yeah, there's a scale called the Fugita scale. Yeah,

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the Fugita Pierson Tornado scale. Originally in its in its

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>first format, it ranged from F zero up to theoretically

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>F twelve. F twelve would have measured the wind speed

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 1>at mock one, which is the speed of sound. I

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't like that idea. Yeah, well, most people

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>would say that that to really think of the scale

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and practical terms, you would go from F zero to

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>F six, the idea being that anything over F six

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>would have probably not. We never would see wind speeds

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>at that intensity. Hey, man, don't argue with me thunder.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying what I read. I really hope that's

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>actually coming through on the mic, because if not, we

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>sound really just crazy. Particularly so it's okay, there really

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>is thunder out there. You might not hear it, but

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>we do anyway. So the scale was proposed back in

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>ninete and it was proposed by Professor Fujita and Alan Pearson,

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>who was the director of the National Severe Storm Forecast

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Center at that time. And it's kind of a weird

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>scale in the way. Um it's a scale that determines

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the tornado's strength based upon the amount of damage it did, right,

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And the problem being that, UM, we've never really been

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>very good at measuring how powerful a tornado is at

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the time, because first of all, they're pretty unpredictable. Second

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of all, they happened very quickly and end very quickly.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>And third of all, they're so powerful that our sentimentation

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>gets pretty banged up. Yeah, it gets it gets JANKI. Yeah,

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't really end up with like a working sensor

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>after tornado has finished playing with it. UM. In many

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>in many cases. So getting a tornado's wind speed while

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the tornado is actually active is incredibly difficult. Like you said, Lauren,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't even know where they're going to form, or

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>where they're going to go from and to, like, we

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know what path they'll take. Um, So getting an

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>accurate reading on wind speed while it's happening is really

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>hard to do, right. And of course we can tell

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>how fast they're traveling along the ground, how sure clouds

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>are going in relation to the ground due to Doppler radar. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 1>we can. We can track a tornado and say, all right,

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the tornado itself traveled at a speed of sixteen miles

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>per hour from west to east, like, but we can

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>say that what's going on within it, it's very different,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>much more mysterious. So Professor Fagitta and Alan Pearson came

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>up with a scale where they would look at the

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>damage that was left after a tornado had passed through

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and said what speed of wind would be required in

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>order to do this amount of damage. In other words,

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>we were establishing how strong a tornado was after it

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>had already happened by just looking at the devastation that

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>had left. Now, the early scale was not terribly specific,

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>and uh was not really or maybe I should say

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>not terribly precise. There was an attempt to increase the

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>precision and create the enhanced Fujita Pierson scale. Yeah, February first,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven was when it was updated. We call

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>e F not just F. So if you ever hear

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like an F five tornado, that's really using an outdated format.

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.399
<v Speaker 1>It's really e F five what we would say now

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>And what does that translate to in terms that we

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>mere mortals can understand? Well, First of all, the way

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they determine the scale is they look at the type

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>of damage that's on and to the type of structures

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>or landscape that it hits. So to really determine that,

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>they look at you know, if you say that a

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>building was completely demolished, what was the type of building

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>right now? How is how is it built? How sturdy

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>was it in the first place, what materials went into

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>making it exactly? And then and then and there's this

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>really complex fact sheet that they have ranked out of

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 1>different types of buildings. They've got like twenty eight or

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine different designations for the type of building or landscape.

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>And then they had a numerical scale for how much

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>damage was done to from one to eight, right, so

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>eight being the greatest. So if you had like a

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>concrete steel reinforced building and the devastation was at eight,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>that was the most unimaginably powerful tornado that could have

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>possibly hit us. Uh. And then here's the thing, there's

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>no upper limit to this scale because there may be

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>tornadoes that can destroy the strongest stuff we build, and

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>since we're basing it on the station, you can't get

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>more devastating than total loss. Right, So if you have

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>total loss, you essentially say that was a really powerful tornado.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't get more specific than that, because

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it could be that it's more powerful than our scale

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 1>would even indicate. But after you've lost everything, that's kind

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of a moot point, right right, which is basically what

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.760
<v Speaker 1>they're saying with a with a e F five would

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be wind speeds over two hundred miles an hour, which, yeah,

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you get into a point where strong frame houses could

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>be lifted into the air and carried a considerable distance

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>before it was dropped again to OZ for example. Yeah, yeah,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>so e F zero would be the lowest. That's between

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty five miles per hour winds. Then at e F

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>one would miles per hour, UH two goes up to

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and thirty five miles per hour, three goes

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>up to a hundred and sixty five, four goes up

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to two hundred and then anything over that, Yeah, e

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>F five now and in the old scale you had

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>up to F six really was what was being described.

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>And under that old scale, and F six tornado was

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>called an inconceivable tornado? Was it for real? Yes, that's amazing.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that tornado means what you think it means,

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>um But at that point they said that the wind

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>speeds were unlikely to happen at that intensity that was

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>described as three hundred and nineteen to three hundred and

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine miles per hour. I think the highest on

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>record is three, I believe, which is why would be

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the F six And that the idea here was that

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>you might not even be able to tell that it

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 1>was in F six tornado because anything from F five

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>would leave essentially total devastation in its wake, right, so

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 1>more total the station. They said that essentially you would

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>have to verify it by looking at the evidence of

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the ground swirl pattern left behind. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>So the point being that it's about the best we

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 1>can do simply because again, it's really hard to get

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>a read on a tornado while it's happening. We really

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>can only look at what happened afterward and say, well,

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>based upon this, we deduce the tornado was x strong.

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. So with that in mind, what aren't the

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of gear that we use for storm chasing and

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>measuring this kind of stuff? I mean, you've got your

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>basic weather uh sensors, things like a barometer, which reads

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>barometric pressure. In general, tornado's form after a drop in

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>air pressure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>sudden drop followed by a tornado. The drop can actually

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>happen several days before a tornado forms if there's a

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 1>low pressure system moving in on a broad scale, So

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it's also very difficult to measure barometric pressure within a

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>tornado because the instruments very rarely survived. However, we will

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about uh, someone who did manage to do that.

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>That will be towards the end of our podcast. Um.

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Then there's the anemometer, right, There's there's blade and anamometers

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and thermometers, and I had to I had to steady

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:13.399
<v Speaker 1>myself to say anemometer did you didn't need to release afterwards. Um,

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And the analog blade ones are UM. If you've ever

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:20.760
<v Speaker 1>seen a like a spoken series of arms or cups

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>perched atop building cylinder, that's that is why. Yeah, it's

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>designed to measure wind speed. So if you've ever seen

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>one of those things, it looks like it's a little

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>pin wheel type thing, sometimes horizontally aligned with little cups

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the arms. It's spinning around in

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>a circle. Uh. This does not tell us anything about

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>wind direction, but it does tell us about wind speed. Essentially,

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about how quickly is this thing spinning, and

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 1>from that we can derive how how fast the wind

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>is blowing. It only really works at the wind is

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>blowing in a steady direction. If it starts blowing in

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>various directions, that can really mess with the readings. But um,

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 1>you know that that's how we kind of them in

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>wind speed. Of course, thermometers tell us things about temperature, uh,

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and we can learn about humidity through various means. So

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 1>getting to the basic gears of storm chasers, a lot

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 1>of the basic gears. The kind of stuff that you

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>might have at your disposal already, things like laptop computers,

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>WiFi uh, digital cameras, Yeah, video cameras that are both

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>for video or for still photography, radio's, walkie talkies, ham

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>CB anything that they can get their hands on, police scanners,

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. Stuff that allows them to keep

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>track of the movement of weather systems. Uh, you know,

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>anything that will give them the most up to date,

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>mediate communication with anyone who is providing information about that storm. Right.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, the video cameras are obviously there

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to document the actual storms, to watch their behavior, to

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 1>take footage, possibly to sell that footage later on, or

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just so that you can use it for

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>research purposes. Uh. It could be a combination to purposes

0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>journalistic purposes obviously. Yeah. And so those are those are

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 1>your basic, uh pieces of equipment. There's some interesting approaches

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to studying tornadoes, some of which are not necessarily used

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 1>that frequently today. Did you run into the term tornado

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>photo grammy tree? I did not. Photography tree is an

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>older form and we don't tend to use it as

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>much because it's not terribly precise. Let's the use of

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>film or video to determine the speed of movement of

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>some kind of tracer element. So you take a tracer

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>element as a point of reference. This is not necessarily

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>something that you've introduced to the tornado. It may be

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>something that the tornado has already picked up, like I

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know, a tractor, and it's usually a large piece

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>of debris of or some sort of persistent element in

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the cloud itself. And from this you can start to

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.359
<v Speaker 1>infer what the wind speed is UH with varying and

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes unknown reliability. So you analyze how the wind speed

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is by measuring the movement of this this persistent element.

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're how frequently is it coming around over

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and over, and from that you can sit there and say, well,

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the wind speed appears to be this. It was used

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>more in the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties, but

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>we kind of replace this with something that's far more reliable,

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.800
<v Speaker 1>namely Doppler radar. UH. In fact, we have Doppler radar

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that's mobile. It's called Doppler on wheels or Dow Dow

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and Doppler on wheels. Those are the main tools used

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>in the effort to determine the strength of tornado winds today.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So that raises the question what is Doppler radar and

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>how does that work? Well. The Doppler effect we we

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>have talked about on the show before, but it is

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the effect of electromagnetic waves crunching up as something moves

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>towards you, right right. It's same thing with sound, right,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's not it's any kind of wave. If it's

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>moving toward you, the frequency of the wave increases because

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the object is actually moving, uh, towards you. If it's

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>moving away, the frequency decreases. Those waves along gate. So

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in sound and for once, it's amazing that we can't

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>hear it because whenever we record tech stuff there seems

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:15.319
<v Speaker 1>to always be sirens going off in the background. But

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.760
<v Speaker 1>with sound, like if a police car has its siren

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 1>running and it's coming towards you, you might hear a

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 1>higher pitch and then after it passes you, it goes

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to a lower pitch. That's an example of the Doppler

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>effect with sound waves. Same thing is true with electromagnetic waves,

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.839
<v Speaker 1>and radar uses electronmagnetic waves to kind of get an

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>idea of where other objects are radio waves, right, um,

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it will shoot a very quick like millisecond burst

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 1>of radio waves called a pulse, called a pulse out

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, hopefully towards an object or sometimes just to

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>see what's out there and um. And then it will

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>measure the length of time between when it's sent and

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 1>when an echo comes back. And we'll also measure the

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the the Doppler effect, the phase, the phase of that

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>of that wave, So between phase of the wave and

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>how long it took for the wave to return back

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>from the echo of the wave to return back, it

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>can determine the location and uh, and whether or not

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>something's moving toward it or away from it, and in

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a vague concept of how fast by kind of mathematically computing, Yeah,

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>if you measure between pulses, you start to get an idea, Oh, well,

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>not only is it moving towards me, but it's moving

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 1>towards me at this general speed. So double on wheels

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of course very useful because that means you can move

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the the the radar around so that you can get

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a better idea of the speed of the storm itself

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and even get an idea of the strength of the tornado. Right. However,

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>these these vehicles have to stay between two and eight

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 1>miles away from a tornado to be effective, right, And

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly effective if it's encountering stuff that is fairly

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>large in the in the relative scheme of things. So

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in other words, if there's precipitation, that's great. That means

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that there's more stuff for the radar waves to bounce

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>off of, and that could be. If it's larger raintrops,

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that's even better. If it's hailstones, that's fantastic because that

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.959
<v Speaker 1>gets a lot more for the doppler. For anyone who's

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>caught underneath it. Hailstones are terrible. You do not want

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to be under them. But for for the purposes of radar,

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it works really, really well. And I think the strongest

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:22.359
<v Speaker 1>wind speed determined from a DOW is um at least

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>from the data I was able to find. Keep in mind,

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>some of this data is several years old because all

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of it comes from government sources and reports can take

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>a while and to become publicly available. But the strongest

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I was able to find was three hundred and two

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>miles per hour. So I saw I saw a report

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of one from Oklahoma that that that recorded the world

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:52.720
<v Speaker 1>record speed of three eight Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, my

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 1>my latest records are later than your latest rick. There's

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>a specific type of radar that has been used for

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 1>some storm tracking technology. It's called smart R, which is

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>again yet another acronym stands for Shared Mobile Atmospheric Research

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and Teaching Radar. This is one that is mainly used

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.799
<v Speaker 1>for research. It's used both for hurricanes and for tornadoes

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and UM. So you know that this combination of technology

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>is used to really get as much information about strength

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and speed as we possibly can so that we can

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>add to our body of knowledge. UM. And then there's

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 1>some private chase teams and tours that have marine radars

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>mounted on their vehicles. However, you should know this is decoration.

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Marine radars are useless when it comes to storm chasing

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and storm tracking. It's promotional purposes only they're not used

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in research. Um and actually marine radar signals can interfere

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>with research units like DOWS, so don't do it. Storm

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 1>chasing companies, don't put marine radar on your trucks and

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:04.879
<v Speaker 1>then use them. Yeah, that's pretty silly. There are some

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>projects that have been very interesting but not very successful.

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh Toto is one of my favorites. TOTO standing for

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Total bal Tornado Observatory. Now TOTO, of course, is also

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously a reference to that fantastic documentary about a tourist

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 1>from Kansas who visits a an exotic land and UH

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>kills the one of the leaders of that land. Them. Actually,

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Total was developed by Dr Allen Bettard and Carl Ramsey

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy nine, first deployed by them in Night One,

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and basically it was an oil drum of like a

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>fifty five gallon oil drum with some stuff in it,

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>with some instruments in it. The idea that the tornado

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>would pick this drum up and we would gather the

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 1>information from the instruments inside, and hopefully the drum would

0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>protect the instruments so that the information would usable. Right, So,

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 1>how did that work out? Well? Um, it weighed four

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:09.399
<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds, which is as or so and so not

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 1>actually very well. I mean, first of all, you know

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>they were working in the early eighties when UH, we

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>did not have the kind of communication technology that it

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>would allow people to really effectively chase storms. So it

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>was it was it was pretty much a crapshoot of

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they would leave this thing in a

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>place that would were likely to get picked up right.

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, they don't have the benefit of a

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:36.919
<v Speaker 1>laptop with WiFi in so they have radio. They could

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 1>have radio, so they could they could get radio updates.

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.759
<v Speaker 1>But without the ability to actually track a storm on

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a computer and see it and be able to anticipate

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>where it's going to move, it made it much more

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>difficult to get to the right place at the right time.

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Sure Also, it took thirty seconds to deploy from the

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>back of a of a specially created truck um which

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>is which sounds like a short period of time, but

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>but that is tremendously long when a tornado is bearing

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>down on you. Yeah, or if you're anticipating a tornado,

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:06.919
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind we're talking about that wall cloud, which

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 1>was the indicator that a tornado could touch down within

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty minutes. If it takes you half an

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>hour to unpack your equipment, just finding out where the

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 1>tornado might touch down and then getting the equipment out

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and set on the ground, first of all, it may

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>be too late, maybe that the tornado has touched down

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>while you were trying to get your your equipment out,

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.919
<v Speaker 1>in which case you may be in serious danger or things.

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Conditions could have changed to the point where the place

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>where you thought was the perfect spot is no longer

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>anywhere close to where the tornado may touch down. So

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>it was very difficult. It as a surprise to no one.

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>It was never really picked up by a tornado. Uh. No,

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it did it. A tornado did run over it once

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 1>in UM when the n SSL had had taken over

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>for it, and um, mostly the tornado just knocked it

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.320
<v Speaker 1>over and damaged the instruments. Yeah so, but then it

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>served as inspiration for another uh, fictional device, didn't Yes,

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it did. Toto was the inspiration for Dorothy, which was

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the fictional device in the film Twister. Yeah, so the

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 1>movie that made us believe that a cow could be

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.320
<v Speaker 1>picked up by a tornado and still be perfectly cow like,

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>were willing to move at any rate. Yeah, and and

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>not turned into hamburger. Um, Yeah it was. Uh. Dorothy

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was the name of the device they wanted to deploy

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:30.759
<v Speaker 1>in the film and try and get it in the

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>path of the tornado. It was inspired by the real

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>world analog Toto in in reality, Toto was scrapped in UM.

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, however, there are many other instruments that have

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>been created for similar purposes. UM One is called a turtle,

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 1>which is a kind of hub cap looking little devices

0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:55.720
<v Speaker 1>that are They were debuted, I believe in nineteen eighties six,

0:50:55.920 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 1>and we're we're on that beginning edge of digital technology there.

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 1>They were not meant to be picked up. They were

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 1>actually designed as heavy, squat and aerodynamic, the idea being

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>that they could withstand the wind forces of a tornado

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 1>so that you could retrieve them and find out all

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the information you needed, things like temperature, pressure, humidity, and

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>not just get picked up like the like Toto was.

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 1>It was just meant to be there so that you

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 1>can recover it afterward the tornado had passed through. There

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 1>are also snails which are similar in appearance, but are

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:33.280
<v Speaker 1>outfitted with these seismic sensors because there was a theory

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>at some point that UM, if we can study the

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>vibrations that tornadoes create in the ground, that we would

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 1>be able to learn new fund stuff about them. Interesting,

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I had not heard about that. UM also dellocams and

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>observation zero O Z s Ozes Okay, I just I

0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:57.359
<v Speaker 1>just got that. I'm sorry, Dorothy Toto and Oz right, Um,

0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 1>which are which are camera equipment that that has been

0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>designed to be put in the place, And I totally

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 1>forgot to write down. There's also munchkins, because, as it

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>turns out, storm chasers get hungry and occasionally stop at

0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:11.959
<v Speaker 1>Dunkin Donuts and they just order a bunch of those

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 1>to eat while they're waiting. I just figured that we

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>might as well keep on going down this Wizard of

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Oz route. So what about armored vehicles? Yeah, oh okay,

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:23.719
<v Speaker 1>so you're talking about the TIV. Yes, the Tornado intercept vehicle. Uh,

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>there's actually been a couple of these, um and in fact,

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>there well, tornado intercept vehicle is kind of a generic

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:32.439
<v Speaker 1>name at this time. At this point, you're really talking

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 1>about any kind of reinforced vehicle, but specifically we're talking

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 1>about essentially, you take you take a pretty heavy vehicle,

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>one that's already pretty rugged, and then you turn it

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>into a reinforced possibly armor plated, uh possibly augmented vehicle,

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>something that looks like it came out of Mad Max. Yeah. Yeah,

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 1>you might be wondering, you know who rules Bartertown by

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 1>the time you see one of these things. Uh, they

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:03.760
<v Speaker 1>are meant to withstand high winds, speeds, hail, massive, massive trauma.

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 1>They're reinforced and sometimes they have hydraulic panels that can

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>actually extend down to the sides of the vehicle. The

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>idea being that if you extend the hydraulic panel so

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>that it goes from the ground and and leaves no

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:21.320
<v Speaker 1>space under the vehicle, then you can't have wind sweeping

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 1>underneath the vehicle and and lift it off or push

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it off. It's it's perch, right um. Some of them

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>even have stabilizing jacks that will that will extend down

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.839
<v Speaker 1>and into the ground and stable again, stabilize this so

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that when heavy wind hits it, it doesn't rock over

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and and tilt over and fall off right um. The

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>tip too specifically was was was one that was created

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that weighed about eight tons. Yeah, that's a pretty hefty vehicle.

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>It also usually has has windows designed so that someone

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 1>with a camera can get as many different angles as possible.

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.760
<v Speaker 1>The the the original was created by one Sean Casey,

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>who is an Imax cinematographer who was working towards some

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>some documentary pieces. I remember seeing bits from that, I

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 1>never got to see the full I assume they eventually

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>had a more probably more than one documentary based on this,

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 1>But I do remember seeing excerpts of this and they

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:19.919
<v Speaker 1>were pretty fantastic. I also remember, uh seeing at least

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:23.240
<v Speaker 1>one clip where the crew was concerned that his desire

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to get the best footage was possibly a little reckless.

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 1>That's probably the best way for me to put it,

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and I have no doubt that that that could be

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>a thing that could have happened. Well, what kind of

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>information have storm chasers gathered? Mainly we're talking about atmospheric conditions,

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>things like the rotation of the clouds, getting more information

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 1>about that, more information about the actual sequence of events

0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>that leads up to tornado formation, the behavior of the

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 1>tornadoes themselves, the strength of the tornado. Uh, the you know,

0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 1>We've got some information about barometric pressure, some things about temperature,

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:04.359
<v Speaker 1>wind speeds and all this kind of stuff. Humidity. It's

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:07.880
<v Speaker 1>really just trying to get as much data as possible

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:10.839
<v Speaker 1>and sift through it to learn what is it that

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>really makes these things happen? Right, Because some of the

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.279
<v Speaker 1>leading theories for a long time had a lot to

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 1>do with um with temperature differences right up until we

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.880
<v Speaker 1>got some data in from tornadoes. That said that temperature

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:26.080
<v Speaker 1>differences in in in airflow do not have to exist

0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>for a tornado to be created, right, doesn't have That's

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 1>not not a not a necessary factor, right, And so

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's kind of one of those

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:36.280
<v Speaker 1>things where the more we learn, the more we realize

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that we have to learn. And it is so difficult

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>to get good readings. Yeah, yeah, we will because it's

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.759
<v Speaker 1>so dangerous. Yeah, we're talking about such huge forces here

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:47.759
<v Speaker 1>that getting a good reading is just, uh, it's risky

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the stuff we've developed just can't

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.880
<v Speaker 1>live up, can't hold up to those kind of forces.

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.720
<v Speaker 1>It can, as we said, be very financially viable. Um

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 1>one war in Fadely is a kind of rocks our

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.439
<v Speaker 1>storm chaser whose photos of storms can sell for over

0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 1>ten thous dollars a piece, Yeah, which has inspired a

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of people to try and follow in his footsteps.

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>In fact, that's one of the big controversies, and we

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.880
<v Speaker 1>can go ahead and move into the controversy of storm chasing.

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 1>One of them is that with documentaries with reality television,

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean we do have storm chasers on Discovery. We've

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.360
<v Speaker 1>got or we had I believe it was. It was

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.279
<v Speaker 1>ended in two Yeah. So, But but there's been some

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>controversy that these sort of things have inspired lots and

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.240
<v Speaker 1>lots of people to either pursue it as a hobby

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 1>or go into the tourism trade, that sort of stuff,

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and that that itself can add to the already significant

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 1>danger of storm chasing for research purposes or even as

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.359
<v Speaker 1>a profession especially considering the fact that if you've got

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.399
<v Speaker 1>if you do have research professionals who are out there

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to be safe, and you get in their way

0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:00.800
<v Speaker 1>bad times for everybody you can, you can cause traffic

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:04.720
<v Speaker 1>jams right when people need to have an open escape

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>route in case the storm changes dramatically, and that can happen.

0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Storm storms can travel in one direction and then suddenly

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 1>veer off, and you need to be nimble enough to

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>be able to respond to that. But if you've got

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>a line of cars behind you and that's the only

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>way out, then you're kind of stuck. It also means

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.920
<v Speaker 1>adding the danger of first responders needing to get to

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>locations after a tornado has passed through. So it's one

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of those things that has raised some concerns because legally speaking,

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>there are no rules or laws regarding storm chasing, apart

0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 1>from obeying traffic laws and things like trespassing. Clearly, you

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>are not supposed to trespass on people's property. You aren't

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>supposed to, uh, you know, drive the wrong way down

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the street, that kind of stuff. But beyond that, there's

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 1>not really anything. You know, there's nothing illegal about storm chasing,

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>but there have been some discussions about that. UM and

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 1>then twenty team we had a tragedy in which three

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>storm chasers, famous ones Tim Samaras, Paul samarrass Son and

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Carl Young Uh they died in h an accident. They

0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 1>were caught in a tornado near El Reno, Oklahoma. This

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was on May thirty one, and Endy they had been

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>part of the Discovery show storm Chasers. Full full disclosure,

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Full disclosure. We are house Works as a part of

0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>daughter company Discovery. Now we should also say that that

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>they were experienced storm chasers, and they were. They were

0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:37.080
<v Speaker 1>widely regarded as responsible members of the community, and they

0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 1>had provided quite a bit of scientific research. Absolutely, Tim

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>in fact founded twist Decks, which which is similar to Vortex.

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.720
<v Speaker 1>It's it's an acronym for the tactical weather instrumented sampling

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in Tornado's experiment. Yeah, he had an engineering background, uh,

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and he successfully deployed a turtle that recorded the barometric

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 1>pressure of two different tornadoes. One in two thousand three

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>recorded a barometric drop in pressure of forty milli bars

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and another one another probe recorded a one d milli

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:13.080
<v Speaker 1>bar drop in a violent tornado in South Dakota. UM.

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Later on, other turtles would record more baro metic pressure,

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>but his was the first one to do that. So

0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:24.400
<v Speaker 1>he was really contributing to the scientific knowledge of tornadoes.

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>And so Uh. Their deaths were very tragic obviously, and

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 1>also raised up a conversation about is storm chasing something responsible?

0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay, should be for other things, for for

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:45.200
<v Speaker 1>for non humans to collect the data, and and you know,

0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things again where there's there's not

0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 1>been any official movement as far as I'm aware, but

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>people like the Kansas Emergency Management Association president Brian Stone

0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>said it was worth looking into establishing at least some

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:04.080
<v Speaker 1>rules to guide storm chasers, if not formal laws, at

1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:08.920
<v Speaker 1>least uh kind of a code really that storm chasers

1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.720
<v Speaker 1>need to follow. Now, keep in mind Tim Samaras and

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>his crew were experts. I mean they were they were

1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 1>known for being very safety conscious. So this really shows

1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.840
<v Speaker 1>how unpredictable these storms can be. And even if you

1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:26.040
<v Speaker 1>are at the top of your game and you are

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:31.560
<v Speaker 1>very careful, tragedy can strike. Yeah. Supposedly the storm that

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that they were killed and killed another ten people out

1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:39.000
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma and supposedly had one of those very quick

1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 1>turns that no one could have predicted. They probably blocked

1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:44.960
<v Speaker 1>their escape routes. And the National Weather Service does not

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 1>endorse storm chasing because of the risk involved. However, they

1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 1>do welcome the reports that storm chasers bring in. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of you know, it's one of those things

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.600
<v Speaker 1>where they say, yeah, we can't we can't say go

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<v Speaker 1>out and be a storm chaser, but we will say

1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that the do we get is invaluable. Yes, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>put a price tag on that because it's it's helping

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<v Speaker 1>us understand the systems and that's really the best way

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<v Speaker 1>we know of doing it. And through sky Warn, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they will conduct spot or training classes across the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're if you are very interested in storm chasing,

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend not probably going on one of the

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<v Speaker 1>tours I don't think they're necessarily responsible, but um, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some may be very good at following safety

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<v Speaker 1>rules and some maybe a little more lax in that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say. It's hard to say, but but

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Warren will Um will train you up. You can

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<v Speaker 1>do it. You can do this in the most responsible

1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and safe way possible, which is that's the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is your passion, and this is you

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<v Speaker 1>want to contribute to the scientific knowledge. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>find that admirable. I personally also think it's crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>I I've know well well, like I said, Lauren, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can talk a little bit about our experience living

1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.320
<v Speaker 1>through tornadoes. Uh, and I would never ever ever want

1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to invite that experience on me again if I can

1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:10.480
<v Speaker 1>avoid it. What what? What? What did happen? Okay, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>well I can talk about that. So. I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in northeast Georgia, near a city called Gainesville, which actually

1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:20.680
<v Speaker 1>has a history of tornado problems. There was a tornado

1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that moved through early in the twentieth century and laid

1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the city to waste. I mean, it completely destroyed Gainesville.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandfather worked in a textile mill in New Holland, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just outside of Gainesville. And uh, he tells

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<v Speaker 1>or he told the story. He's passed on now, but

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<v Speaker 1>he told a story about how working in the mill

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<v Speaker 1>he was, you know, the tornado was bearing down the

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<v Speaker 1>mill and he was moving toward the staircase to get

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<v Speaker 1>down to a safe level, and as he was hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the staircase, the roof of the building ripped off because

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<v Speaker 1>of this tornado, the force of this wind. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the same tornado that essentially level the city.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was growing up, we had several tornadoes passed

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<v Speaker 1>over the area of town I lived in, which is

1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:11.360
<v Speaker 1>called Oakwood, Georgia. I grew up there, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>can remember like there were there were houses that were

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<v Speaker 1>within just a very short walk, like you just walked

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<v Speaker 1>up a hill and you could see them that were

1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:23.800
<v Speaker 1>completely leveled by tornadoes on a couple of occasions. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember huddling with my family at the

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<v Speaker 1>base of our house. Um, you know, not even sure

1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.600
<v Speaker 1>if our house was going to be hit by these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, we had tornadoes passed directly over us where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes a tornado will touch down and then

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<v Speaker 1>lift up and touch down again. In fact, there's even

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<v Speaker 1>argument about whether or not that counts as two separate

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<v Speaker 1>tornadoes or the same one. We've had that happened where

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado went directly over our house, where it lifted

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<v Speaker 1>up and then set back down a little bit further out.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you know, as a kid, that was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>like that was a life defining experience to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where I had trouble with storms for a while after

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<v Speaker 1>I was after that. These days, storms don't bother me

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I can. I can handle that just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it starts turning like ominous, if I start

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<v Speaker 1>noticing those little warning signs, I take cover because it

1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:22.720
<v Speaker 1>is serious business. I mean, it is absolutely terrifying to

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<v Speaker 1>live through. Sure, yeah, I am. My My experience is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more spotty than that. I remember being maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe about five years old, and my my mother and

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<v Speaker 1>U are extremely dedicated black Labrador retriever UM hurting me

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<v Speaker 1>down into the basement. And uh, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>mostly by the time we got there, like by the

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<v Speaker 1>time we heard about it and got down there, the

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<v Speaker 1>radio was already calling it off. Um. And and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the to the two types of warnings that you

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<v Speaker 1>may have heard of and had a tiny bit of

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<v Speaker 1>confusion about because I don't feel like they're very well

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<v Speaker 1>publicized the differences, but between them all the time. Tornado

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<v Speaker 1>watch is issued by the n o A a UH

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<v Speaker 1>Storm Prediction Center meteorologists and and they are watching the

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<v Speaker 1>entire United States all the time. UM. Tornado warning, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is issued by a local n o A a UH

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<v Speaker 1>National Weather Service forecast office who is watching your designated

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<v Speaker 1>area all the time and UH. The warning indicates that

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<v Speaker 1>there are spotters who have seen a touchdown and then

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<v Speaker 1>you need to get to safety. The the the watch

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<v Speaker 1>is more that there are conditions that are favorable for

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado. A tornado could could form under such conditions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen so many of both. Um. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the risks of living in the Southeast

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Not again, not nearly as prone to tornadoes

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<v Speaker 1>as other parts in the nation, which can get them

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<v Speaker 1>even more regularly than we do. And I thought i'd

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<v Speaker 1>close out this is something that another storm chaser had

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<v Speaker 1>said about the situation with with Tim Samaras and his

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<v Speaker 1>son Paul and Carl Young. His name is Renny vander Wedge,

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<v Speaker 1>and I apologize if I have butchered that name, but

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<v Speaker 1>he had this to say, and I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually quite a bit that he has written about

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<v Speaker 1>the storm chasing in general, but I thought this, this

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<v Speaker 1>really bears attention in our podcast. So he said, many

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<v Speaker 1>storm chasers do a lot of good. Some are researchers

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<v Speaker 1>trying to understand why some storms produce tornadoes and others

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<v Speaker 1>do not. Tim Samaras, for example, combined his background and

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<v Speaker 1>engineering and whether to invent devices for measuring conditions inside

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<v Speaker 1>a tornado. His research has been valuable. Other researchers use

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<v Speaker 1>mobile radar units to measure precipitation and wind inside a

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<v Speaker 1>tornado from close range to gain a better understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>how tornadoes develop. Other chasers are simply out there for

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<v Speaker 1>the thrill of chasing, or to capture video to sell

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<v Speaker 1>to media outlets. But as tornado video has become plentiful

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube and other websites, chasers have had to get

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<v Speaker 1>closer than ever to get the kind of footage that

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<v Speaker 1>will earn them a paycheck. They often find themselves in

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<v Speaker 1>the bears cage, which is chaser lingo for the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the storm where tornado forms. Some have built vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>to drive directly into a twister. This carries enormous risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he teaches meteorology and bring students with him on

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<v Speaker 1>trips where they, uh, they observe these stormfronts and the

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<v Speaker 1>weather conditions, so that the meteorologists have direct experience with

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<v Speaker 1>this before they go on to whatever their careers are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was really interesting to have a

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<v Speaker 1>professional opinion added in there, because of course, like we

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<v Speaker 1>said at the very top of the show, this is

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<v Speaker 1>and we've repeated several times, this is serious, dangerous business. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something for just a casual attempt. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely want experienced people around you. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in the field, that's amazing, but definitely seek out

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<v Speaker 1>training and make sure that you're following this as as

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<v Speaker 1>many safety procedures as you can, because this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is deadly stuff. Um. But that that kind of wraps

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<v Speaker 1>up this discussion. Uh, you know, it's kind of heavy

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<v Speaker 1>in times, and and obviously you know, we've had our

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<v Speaker 1>own personal experiences that kind of make give us our

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<v Speaker 1>own perspective on that. But but it is a fascinating thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you're this is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>adventurous spirit of human beings and the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who are willing to put themselves at risk

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<v Speaker 1>in order to gain more information and also get the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge out there about any storms that are developing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people can get to safety. It's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why I think humankind is such an amazing, amazing species.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're we're willing to do this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff for various motivations, but the fact that we are

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<v Speaker 1>is just phenomenal. So guys, uh, I hope you enjoyed

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